--- Log for 10.10.102 Server: brunner.openprojects.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16p1 Started: 1 month and 10 days ago 00.00.41 Quit Django|away ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 00.02.39 # LinusN: got it working now, it was not an mpeg problem 00.04.48 # what was it then? 00.04.56 # bad wps code 00.05.37 Join langhaarrocker [0] (~Philipp@B48da.pppool.de) 00.05.51 # radhard: thanks a bunch 00.06.38 # ah, radhard. 00.06.38 # your logarithm approximation does a fine job in the peak meter now. 00.06.58 # np. Hi Langhaar, glad to hear it worked out well. Sorry, missed you last time... 00.08.22 # I made a really horrible function to calculate the inverse. I hope someone will get so annyed by it that he replaces it by something better. 00.08.48 # hey guys 00.08.50 # does anybody have a wifi router for sale? 00.09.00 # When i've finished the remote discussion, we could work out detaild that'll speed things up, if u like. By the way: Does anybody know, which pin the remote pin is on the processor of recorder/player? Can't find it in the schematics. 00.09.02 # i have one, but I use it :-) 00.09.12 # they are dirt cheap, why do you need a used one? 00.10.42 # typo -> details. What is wifi? 00.10.55 # 802.11b 00.10.59 # wireless networking 00.11.39 # Can you plug it into the archos? So do I need it? 00.12.14 # langhaarrocker: hehe, no 00.13.18 # Ah, ok. They're cheap? Well, at least not in germany. I'd like two have two units, but don't want to pay 200$ each. 00.14.31 # radhard: I'm not sure but I believe that I've seen something at Saturn for 79 €. With two units. 00.15.09 # Thought you didn't now what they were? 00.15.26 # Just didn't know the abbreviation. 00.15.33 Join hardeep [0] (hardeeps@sdf.lonestar.org) 00.16.36 Join elinenbe [0] (~elin@user-0cces0l.cable.mindspring.com) 00.17.03 # post this topic to the yahoo! group and to funmp3players.com 00.17.10 # also to the rockbox mailing list. 00.17.12 # :) 00.17.17 # Ok, then I know where to go tomorrow. Yeeeeha, just figured out the answer to microsofts annoying question! 00.17.19 # radhard: my Netgear MR314 sells for ~$110 00.17.30 # you guys are doing a great job. 00.19.33 # Hi elinenbe! Sorry, missed you when joining the channel. agree: They sure did! 00.20.18 # what ms questions ?? 00.20.39 # zagor: I like netgear, got a switch from them. But if i can get two for 75EURO, that'll be great. 00.20.50 # Where do you want to go today? 00.21.15 # radhard: yup 00.22.12 Quit TotMacher () 00.23.45 Nick radhard is now known as rad[writing (~radhard@pd9511da0.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.24.41 # Will be writing specs now, should finish befor 2:00.. 00.30.13 # Good night. (I guess some of you should be sleeping, as well) 00.31.06 # night 00.33.10 Part LinusN 00.35.17 # night 00.43.50 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.48.10 Join Mine78 [0] (Pozzolo@host109-22.pool80116.interbusiness.it) 00.48.42 # I bought a archos 6000 for 130Dollars... is it a good price ? 00.50.07 Quit langhaarrocker (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.52.05 Quit Mine78 (Client Quit) 00.56.02 # see you bye ! 00.56.11 Quit BoD[] ("pr0n") 00.58.00 # <_seb_> does '@' exist in the player fontset? 00.58.05 # yes 00.58.10 # <_seb_> thanks 00.58.56 # at least new players 00.59.07 # ah, old players too 01.06.25 Quit elinenbe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.16.40 Join elinenbe [0] (~elin@user-0cces0l.cable.mindspring.com) 01.16.49 # Zagor: some impressive coding. 01.16.59 # Time for me to switch to a new client! 01.17.26 # thanks 01.18.18 # rather trivial coding, i'd say :-) 01.18.35 # yeah, but it is grunt work that had to get done :) 01.18.47 # fun but annoying coding. 01.19.10 # just think when the MAME project switched to a new driver format... 4000+ drivers had to be redone! 01.19.40 # hehe 01.20.52 Quit hardeep ("Leaving") 01.27.36 Join elinenbe2 [0] (~elinenbe@user-0cces0l.cable.mindspring.com) 01.27.50 Quit elinenbe () 01.27.58 Nick elinenbe2 is now known as elinenbe (~elinenbe@user-0cces0l.cable.mindspring.com) 01.29.43 # What sort of drivers did you work on? 01.30.53 # I worked on none. 01.32.16 # Ah, thought you wrote impressive driver code. 01.34.04 # Just asking 'cause zagor said it is impressive. I've just got the compiler working and now try to understand the rockbox software. It's very interesting! 01.34.48 # what did I say was impressive? 01.35.37 # Oops, sorry, was way round. elinenbe said you did impressive coding! 01.36.01 # ah, right. he was just sucking up, though ;-) 01.37.45 # I think I'll need some time to work through all the rockbox code. I's all very impressive, especially when compiled and let break out ;) 01.38.26 # someone just said today the rockbox code is bigger than the Lord Of The Rings novel :-) 01.39.50 # True? I'm happy with the little 1k that is already build in ;) 01.40.30 # You're one of the grandfathers of rockbox? 01.40.58 # I'm *the* grandfather actually 01.42.12 # Amazing, from a LED blinker to the thing i see know... Rockbox was one of the reasons for me to buy one... 01.42.30 # yeah, we've come a long way 01.43.02 # Can you estimate, how much time you invested in this project? 01.43.16 # ooh, that's hard... 01.44.03 # somewhere between 500 and 1000 hours, I would guess 01.44.46 Join Foxinou [0] (~Julien@lns08a-10-196.w.club-internet.fr) 01.44.59 # Hi all 01.45.19 # i already posted the results of my survey on www.funmp3players.com 01.45.30 # Foxinou: excellent 01.45.43 # I am the only one with a player :( 01.45.56 # :) 01.46.05 # can u tell me one thing... 01.46.21 # That's a lot for doing it as a hobby! It's the first open source project, i'm involved in and what i see here is great. I also appreciate very much that some professionals of IBM take part in the Linux devellopment. They are walking with great steps, as you do here... ;) 01.46.50 # I don't know if i can use languagge file... and how to do it if it is possible... 01.47.40 # Foxinou: you need the daily build, not 1.3. then you download and play a lang file from http://rockbox.haxx.se/lang/ 01.48.01 # rad[writing: heh 01.48.11 # taht's all?.... like a .wps file or an *.mod file ? ok 01.48.52 # Foxinou: exactly 01.49.15 # Did Archos try to hire you? 01.49.45 # rad[writing: no, they haven't said a word to any of us 01.50.18 # Héhé I live at maybe 10kms from Archos France... But never went to visit them yet ;-) 01.50.22 # they did want to contract me last summer, for working on the multimedia. but they bailed out when they got my offer. 01.51.11 # They'd better do ;) Microsoft tried to hire the guy who broke into the X-Box. Nice story, btw! 01.51.49 # well, Archos aint Microsoft. And I doubt I'd want to work for either :-) 01.52.08 # What was your offer? 50k/month might be a bit too much ;) No, me not too 01.52.13 # Hey guys... do you think Archos has stopped working on their firmwares (because there is rockbox) ? 01.52.45 # Maybe they fired the deveopers... :-) 01.52.51 # rad[writing: my offer was 800euro/hour, if I recall correctly. standard fare. 01.53.07 # 80euro, i mean :-) 01.53.23 # Was a little shocked... 01.53.24 # oh ok :) 800euros was a bit too much lol 01.53.49 # Foxinou: i don't think they change any decisions because of Rockbox. They are probably just more busy with the Multimedia. 01.54.20 # Zagor > Maybe they will link to Rockbox one day... 01.54.36 # I already thought: He, man, what are you doing here? Are you an idiot writing software for 80 Euro? Ok, thats sounds much better to me. It's not overpaid for a good programmer AND systems guy! 01.54.40 # haha, yeah. maybe pigs will fly one day... :-) 01.55.30 # they used to link to my isd200 driver page. i wonder if that link is still there. 01.55.46 # i am trying your language file...now 01.56.14 # did they give you the schematics or did you figure them out by yourselves? 01.56.53 # we did it ourselves, using multimeters and pen-and-paper... 01.58.05 # Wow. Hope at least it wasn't too much work? They're looking quite good. Is it eagle? Might want to add some things from time to time... 01.58.34 # <_seb_> hi everybody 01.58.50 # <_seb_> I think I'll become a more active idler from now on since I have finally installed rockbox and am super impressed 01.59.13 # hi seb 01.59.15 # no, unfortunately it's not eagle. that's why they are a bit out of date. 01.59.22 # _seb_: hehe 02.00.13 # I know a PCB desgner who owes me one. Do think it's worth/necessary to redo them? 02.00.29 # Basides: What format is it? 02.00.35 # besides... 02.00.43 # i don't remember, some commercial program. we should use eagle. 02.00.45 # Zagor > the lang file does not work for me... there is no icon before francais.lng in the ./rockbox directory. I can't "play" it... i use one of today's cutting edge mod 02.01.02 # Foxinou: what model do you have? 02.01.52 # player 02.01.58 # jb6000 02.03.16 # <_seb_> yeah that reminds me, wps files don't work for me (studio20/1.3) 02.03.18 # Foxinou: you downloaded the .lng file, right? not the .lang file. 02.03.35 # _seb_: loadable wps was not in 1.3 02.03.45 # <_seb_> zagor: I thought so because I saw it on todo for 1.4 02.03.48 # <_seb_> just wanted to check 02.04.03 # _seb_: yeah. 1.4 is coming Real Soon 02.04.09 # Zagor > yes the lng not lang 02.04.17 # Foxinou: it works fine for me 02.05.11 # Zagor > I have icons for folders, mods, wps, but not for lng files 02.05.37 # Foxinou: do you see the lng file at all? 02.07.15 # now it works... i loaded the cvs 021009 and it works 02.07.25 # good 02.09.07 # Zagor > u and rockbox really rule ! 02.09.16 # :-) thanks 02.09.24 # <_seb_> are most devs from sweden or just the founding ones? 02.09.53 # just the founding ones. the rest are spread out over the world 02.09.58 # Zagor > I hope you will soon put the "queue" feature .... 02.10.40 # Zagor > I really miss the Queue feature... :~( 02.10.52 # <_seb_> je n'ai jamais utilise queue parce que je l'ai trouve trop buggy :) 02.11.11 # <_seb_> in the original archos firmware 02.11.57 # Seb > t francais ? 02.12.09 # <_seb_> no, but I learn german and french in school 02.12.44 # <_seb_> de quelle region de france est-ce que tu viens? 02.12.48 # Seb > héhé ahc so ich verstehe... Ich habe auch Deutsch gelernt 02.13.11 # <_seb_> cool :) 02.13.23 # Seb > Du sprichst sehr gut französisch... 02.13.48 # I am now in Paris aber i am from Tours... do you know ? The Loire Valley... 02.13.51 # i'm off to bed. see you later 02.13.58 # <_seb_> night zagor 02.14.01 Quit Zagor ("Client Exiting") 02.14.01 # yBye Zagor 02.14.03 # <_seb_> foxinou: yes, I know it 02.14.05 # Nihjt! 02.14.12 # <_seb_> but I've never been there, I've only been in alsace 02.14.21 # night! 02.14.21 # Seb > ach so ok 02.15.16 # so where are u from seb ? 02.16.19 # <_seb_> I'm from New Jersey, in the Etats-Unis 02.17.00 # I'm in New York 02.17.05 # <_seb_> cool :) 02.19.13 # it is 02;19 here...quite late 02.19.46 # <_seb_> foxinou: ca me ne deplait que mon clavier est des Etats Unis parce que je ne peux pas typer les accents 02.22.03 # <_seb_> so what's up all 02.22.17 # <_seb_> wie geht's dir rad 02.22.27 # <_seb_> comment ca va foxinou 02.24.22 # seb es geht mir gut 02.24.30 # aber ich bin mûde 02.24.37 # <_seb_> ok wir koennen uns auch auf deutsch unterhalten :) 02.24.39 # müde 02.25.17 # <_seb_> ich bin auch ziemlich muede obwohl es hier nur 8:25 abends ist 02.25.53 # <_seb_> mais j'ai beaucoup de devoirs et il faut que je les complete 02.26.22 # oki oki 02.27.56 # <_seb_> connais-tu un bon dictionnaire anglais-francais-anglais (online)? 02.28.22 # <_seb_> maintenant j'utilise ceci: http://humanities.uchicago.edu/forms_unrest/FR-ENG.html 02.28.50 # wait... 02.29.37 # http://www.reverso.net/textonly/default.asp is good 02.31.06 # <_seb_> ok merci 02.43.51 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.50.51 Quit Foxinou ("Advanced IRC 1.31: don't ask, don't tell.") 02.54.49 # <_seb_> be back soon 02.55.00 Quit _seb_ () 03.13.01 Join _seb_ [0] (user@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 03.26.04 # ok spec V0.1 is ready an i'm really tired. Have to go. Bye! 03.26.56 Nick rad[writing is now known as radhard (~radhard@pd9511da0.dip.t-dialin.net) 03.27.05 Quit radhard () 03.49.29 Quit Jet8810 ("Client Exiting") 04.10.38 Join adiamas [0] (adiamas@204.143.63.137) 04.10.49 # howdy... 04.10.55 # <_seb_> hi 04.10.58 # damnit.. they are never around when i need them 04.11.01 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 04.11.01 # * adiamas sighs 04.12.57 # okay. im out 04.13.00 Quit adiamas (Client Quit) 04.43.54 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.06.26 Nick _seb_ is now known as seb-sleep (user@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 06.04.13 Join mecraw [0] (~mecraw@dnvr-dsl-gw34-poola245.DNVR.USWEST.NET) 06.43.58 *** No seen item changed, no save performed. 07.12.12 Join b0bTHC [0] (~bobTHC@AMarseille-206-2-1-9.abo.wanadoo.fr) 07.12.12 Quit Synthe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.12.15 Join Synthe` [0] (Synthe@galt.synthe.net) 07.15.58 Nick Synthe` is now known as Synthe (Synthe@galt.synthe.net) 07.48.24 Join Bagder [0] (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) 07.48.40 # * Bagder can smell release in the air 07.49.20 # * mecraw cheers 08.14.55 # bagder got a present for you... 08.15.05 # cool! 08.15.09 # * Bagder likes presents 08.15.10 # you want it? 08.15.21 # beam it over 08.15.31 # dcc or email? 08.15.50 # pick one ;-) 08.16.13 # k.. ill dcc one min 08.24.45 # lol.. i think my opera browser blew up 08.28.13 Join calpefrosch [0] (~calpefros@30.ip-net01.empolis.com) 08.29.53 # moin 08.30.05 # morning 08.30.06 # morning 08.31.16 # hm, my operators both DNS servers have died... :-/ 08.31.48 # hups :-S 08.31.55 # the remote control is only working in one direction yet, right ? 08.32.02 # yes 08.32.37 # who is working on this issue ? 08.33.09 # I'm not ;-) 08.34.01 # ah 08.36.07 # I want to build two additional parts for the jukebox. First a IR-remote-control and sony car interface. can we put both projekt data on your cvs ? 08.36.35 # sure 08.37.16 # ok, do you have a module for additional files ? 08.37.46 # we should probably create a new module or perhaps two for those things 08.38.43 # yes, good. 08.43.19 # is there a standard user to checkout on cvs, like anonymous ? 08.43.29 # I mean, on sourceforge ? 08.43.42 # yes 08.43.47 # anonymous 08.43.59 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.44.16 # :pserver:anonymous@cvs.[project].sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/[project] 08.44.28 # hmm, I wanted to checkout a projekt, the gnunilink projekt, and with anonymous he ask me for a password :-( 08.44.38 # right, just press enter 08.44.52 # I tried, didn't work 08.45.11 # -> :ext:anonymous@cvs.gnunilink.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/gnunilink 08.46.50 # hmpf, it was pserver 08.48.04 Quit Bagder (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.48.10 Part calpefrosch 08.49.42 Join Bagder [0] (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) 08.49.55 # my operator plays tricks on me today 08.57.30 # do y'all really want me to DL bleeding edge build and install it on my machine? 08.59.35 # the latest daily is fine too ;-) 08.59.49 # what happens if it toasts my recorder? 08.59.53 # it has rolo built in right? 09.00.00 # yes it does 09.00.06 # and it won't toast your recorder 09.00.30 # what do I rename my old ajbrec.ajz to in order to be able to use it with rolo if the need arises? 09.00.53 # to whatever you like, just keep the extension the same (.ajz) 09.03.54 # finally got repeat on/off in there :) 09.05.02 # yeps 09.05.03 # so who do I report this HW info to now? 09.05.12 # linus at haxx.se 09.05.21 # just email it to him? 09.05.27 # yeps, it'll be fine 09.08.31 # kewlio 09.09.05 # is there a way for me to just play the entire contents of a dir and all subdirs yet? 09.09.21 # nope, not without making that in a playlist 09.09.41 # thats what I figured, so I have to figure out before I go to bed what I want to listen to that night and make a playlist 09.10.28 # right, if you don't just create a set of various lists once and for all and use one of them 09.10.43 # I do, but I've got over 50 playlists now :) 09.10.57 # :-) 09.11.01 # when the entire HD is full, there are a lot of options 09.11.10 # yeps 09.11.22 # I'm actually thinking of getting a 40gb drive to put in this for practical reasons, not just for bragging rights like I do with my TiVo 09.15.23 # good morning al 09.15.31 # morning bob 09.17.30 # the web site is down? 09.17.42 # no 09.17.43 # ? 09.18.18 # it's good now 4 refresh after... 09.28.46 Join calpefrosch [0] (~calpefros@30.ip-net01.empolis.com) 09.31.02 Part calpefrosch 09.40.54 Join calpefrosch [0] (~calpefros@30.ip-net01.empolis.com) 09.43.41 # one last question, I didn't understand all of the discussion. Do we need a hardware mod for the bidirectional remote control ? 09.44.32 # As far as i've understood, yes 09.44.40 # but I'm not the expert on this 09.44.42 # :) 09.45.45 # it's a very intersting idea and that's seems to progress quickly... 09.47.08 # but not for the normal remote... 09.47.43 # imagine a tiny remote with lcd with tweakable proper WPS.. really an amazing thing! 09.48.10 # yes, sure. but not if we all need a hardware mod. I don't want to lose my waranty 09.49.08 # If i understand, no HW mod needed. 09.50.10 # only based on the stock remote pin on the EAR pin 09.50.30 # Erar jack 09.50.32 # I'm really fascinated too, I could imagine many cool applications 09.55.13 # Bagder: you around? 09.55.18 # yah 09.55.32 # the feature request about 180 rotation 09.55.41 # that would work for the recorder but not for the player 09.55.44 # I know, I'm crazy 09.55.45 # even with your suggestion 09.55.50 # :-) 09.55.52 # no way to turn the letters sideways 09.55.56 # R 09.55.59 # O 09.55.59 # b 09.55.59 # o 09.55.59 # x 09.56.12 # it comes out: Rocobox 09.56.18 # silly 09.56.18 # still left to right :) 09.56.21 # I thought about that too 2 seconds after I pressed submit ;-) 09.56.35 # hehehe 09.57.04 # so.. Bagder 09.57.16 # if i moved to sweden.. what are the chances of me getting ajob with your company ;) 09.57.43 # at the moment, very slim. Times are bad. 09.58.06 # damn.. its a global thing 09.58.08 # * adi|home sighs 09.58.11 # * adi|home wants a job 09.58.12 # yes it is 09.58.33 # * adi|home is tired of being unemployed... 10.01.49 # lol 10.01.54 # someone screwed up 10.01.57 # Microsoft OLE DB Provider for ODBC Drivers error '80040e14' 10.01.57 # [Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server Driver][SQL Server]The query contained only ignored words. 10.02.59 # i have a little idea for the bouncing thing.. why don't using the name of the playing songrather than just rockbox 10.03.33 Quit b0bTHC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.12.48 Join bobTHC [0] (~bobTHC@AMarseille-206-2-1-9.abo.wanadoo.fr) 10.21.58 Join pyvasene [0] (~pyvasene@ns1.alcove-solutions.com) 10.44.02 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.46.31 Part calpefrosch 10.53.06 # what u think about my bouncing proposition? 10.53.14 # it's a good idea 10.54.33 # @boot my device says 1.17i and when i look in HW info it's 1.18... 10.55.25 # yeps, that's a funny details 10.55.32 # -s 10.56.20 # i resolve my pb on win2k when i want "eject" my device, that's work now 10.57.06 # it was a usb driver pb, i reinstall usb controler driver with newer and thats work find now 10.57.23 # goodie 10.58.37 # i dont understand because @ the beginig that's work, and after it doesn't work, reinstall with newer driver and reworks 10.59.04 # funny win2k :( 10.59.20 # always kidding! 11.10.02 # darned linus and Zagor hide today ;-) 11.10.53 # why is this? :) 11.10.59 # I don't know 11.18.59 Join TotMacher [0] (tot@ip67.rsidus.riege.de) 11.38.29 Join Zagor [0] (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 11.38.41 # hi zagor! 11.38.46 # hi 11.40.06 # so.. zagor.. find me a job yet? 11.40.22 # :-) 11.40.34 # figures.. 11.40.38 # you god damn swedes 11.40.41 # can't ask you to do anything... 11.40.45 # * adi|home smirks 12.10.06 Quit adi|home ("Client Exiting") 12.10.13 Join adiamas [0] (~adiamas@as5300-10.216-194-24-26.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) 12.10.30 Quit adiamas (Client Quit) 12.10.36 Join adiamas [0] (~adiamas@as5300-10.216-194-24-26.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) 12.21.41 # does anyone understand what Jason is talking about re backlight-always-on? 12.28.53 # anyone seen linus today? 12.29.04 >>> "seen" used by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) [snoop prevented] 12.29.14 >>> "seen" used by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) [snoop prevented] 12.29.49 >>> "help" by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 12.29.55 >>> "cmd" by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 12.30.07 >>> "uptime" by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 12.30.19 >>> "sview" by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 12.30.33 >>> "show" by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 12.31.18 # nope and nope 12.37.25 >>> "sview" by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 12.37.40 >>> "rules" by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 12.41.51 >>> "sview" by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 12.44.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.44.56 >>> "uptime" by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 12.45.36 *** SIGHUP received, attempting to reload configuration. 12.45.40 >>> "uptime" by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 12.45.44 >>> "sview" by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 12.45.51 DEBUG Received signal 15 (SIGTERM), terminating 12.45.51 *** Cleanup 12.45.51 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.45.51 *** Exit 12.45.57 *** Started Dancer V4.16p1 12.45.57 *** Connected to irc.eu.openprojects.net on port 6667 12.45.57 *** Logfile for #rockbox started 12.45.58 *** Server message 501: 'logbot :Unknown MODE flag' 12.45.58 Mode "logbot :+i" by logbot 12.45.58 Join logbot [242] (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) 12.45.58 Join adiamas [0] (~adiamas@as5300-10.216-194-24-26.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) 12.45.58 Join Zagor [0] (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 12.45.58 Join TotMacher [0] (tot@ip67.rsidus.riege.de) 12.45.58 Join pyvasene [0] (~pyvasene@ns1.alcove-solutions.com) 12.45.58 Join bobTHC [0] (~bobTHC@AMarseille-206-2-1-9.abo.wanadoo.fr) 12.45.58 Join Bagder [0] (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) 12.45.58 Join Synthe [0] (Synthe@galt.synthe.net) 12.45.58 Join mecraw [0] (~mecraw@dnvr-dsl-gw34-poola245.DNVR.USWEST.NET) 12.45.58 Join seb-sleep [0] (user@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 12.45.58 Join elinenbe [0] (~elinenbe@user-0cces0l.cable.mindspring.com) 12.45.58 Join Hadaka [0] (naked@aka.pp.htv.fi) 12.45.58 Join Hes_ [0] (~hessu@hessu.zedi.sonera.fi) 12.45.58 Join mecraw12 [0] (~mecraw@dnvr-dsl-gw34-poola245.DNVR.USWEST.NET) 12.45.58 Join PsycoXul [0] (psyco@adsl-63-205-47-0.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) 12.45.58 Join webbie [0] (webmind@seal.student.utwente.nl) 12.45.58 Join mbr [0] (~mb@stlx01.stz-softwaretechnik.de) 12.45.58 Join norm_ [0] (~norm@ottawa.linuxcare.com) 12.45.58 Join mem [0] (~mem@host38-2.bluelabs.se) 12.45.58 Join Schnueff [0] (~mah@goedel.cs.uni-sb.de) 12.46.05 >>> "sview" by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 12.47.51 >>> "cmd" by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 12.48.29 Quit TotMacher () 12.50.05 DEBUG Received signal 15 (SIGTERM), terminating 12.50.05 *** Cleanup 12.50.05 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.50.05 *** Exit 12.50.11 *** Started Dancer V4.16p1 12.50.11 *** Connected to irc.eu.openprojects.net on port 6667 12.50.11 *** Logfile for #rockbox started 12.50.12 *** Server message 501: 'logbot :Unknown MODE flag' 12.50.12 Mode "logbot :+i" by logbot 12.50.12 Join logbot [242] (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) 12.50.12 Join adiamas [0] (~adiamas@as5300-10.216-194-24-26.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) 12.50.12 Join Zagor [0] (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 12.50.12 Join pyvasene [0] (~pyvasene@ns1.alcove-solutions.com) 12.50.12 Join bobTHC [0] (~bobTHC@AMarseille-206-2-1-9.abo.wanadoo.fr) 12.50.12 Join Bagder [0] (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) 12.50.12 Join Synthe [0] (Synthe@galt.synthe.net) 12.50.12 Join mecraw [0] (~mecraw@dnvr-dsl-gw34-poola245.DNVR.USWEST.NET) 12.50.12 Join seb-sleep [0] (user@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 12.50.12 Join elinenbe [0] (~elinenbe@user-0cces0l.cable.mindspring.com) 12.50.12 Join Hadaka [0] (naked@aka.pp.htv.fi) 12.50.12 Join Hes_ [0] (~hessu@hessu.zedi.sonera.fi) 12.50.12 Join Schnueff [0] (~mah@goedel.cs.uni-sb.de) 12.50.12 Join mem [0] (~mem@host38-2.bluelabs.se) 12.50.12 Join norm_ [0] (~norm@ottawa.linuxcare.com) 12.50.12 Join mbr [0] (~mb@stlx01.stz-softwaretechnik.de) 12.50.12 Join webbie [0] (webmind@seal.student.utwente.nl) 12.50.12 Join PsycoXul [0] (psyco@adsl-63-205-47-0.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) 12.50.12 Join mecraw12 [0] (~mecraw@dnvr-dsl-gw34-poola245.DNVR.USWEST.NET) 12.50.18 >>> "sview" by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 12.50.26 # bah 12.52.50 DEBUG Received signal 15 (SIGTERM), terminating 12.52.50 *** Cleanup 12.52.50 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.52.50 *** Exit 12.52.55 *** Started Dancer V4.16p1 12.52.55 *** Connected to irc.eu.openprojects.net on port 6667 12.52.55 *** Logfile for #rockbox started 12.52.57 *** Server message 501: 'logbot :Unknown MODE flag' 12.52.57 Mode "logbot :+i" by logbot 12.52.57 Join logbot [242] (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) 12.52.57 Join adiamas [0] (~adiamas@as5300-10.216-194-24-26.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) 12.52.57 Join Zagor [0] (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 12.52.57 Join pyvasene [0] (~pyvasene@ns1.alcove-solutions.com) 12.52.57 Join bobTHC [0] (~bobTHC@AMarseille-206-2-1-9.abo.wanadoo.fr) 12.52.57 Join Bagder [0] (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) 12.52.57 Join Synthe [0] (Synthe@galt.synthe.net) 12.52.57 Join mecraw [0] (~mecraw@dnvr-dsl-gw34-poola245.DNVR.USWEST.NET) 12.52.57 Join seb-sleep [0] (user@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 12.52.57 Join elinenbe [0] (~elinenbe@user-0cces0l.cable.mindspring.com) 12.52.57 Join Hadaka [0] (naked@aka.pp.htv.fi) 12.52.57 Join Hes_ [0] (~hessu@hessu.zedi.sonera.fi) 12.52.57 Join mecraw12 [0] (~mecraw@dnvr-dsl-gw34-poola245.DNVR.USWEST.NET) 12.52.57 Join PsycoXul [0] (psyco@adsl-63-205-47-0.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) 12.52.57 Join Schnueff [0] (~mah@goedel.cs.uni-sb.de) 12.52.57 Join mem [0] (~mem@host38-2.bluelabs.se) 12.52.57 Join norm_ [0] (~norm@ottawa.linuxcare.com) 12.52.57 Join webbie [0] (webmind@seal.student.utwente.nl) 12.52.57 Join mbr [0] (~mb@stlx01.stz-softwaretechnik.de) 12.53.01 >>> "sview" by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 12.53.17 # ok, i give up 12.56.45 # i have a feeling, that it could be about the initialization of charger_was_inserted in backlight.c 12.57.18 # i'll think about it 12.58.33 >>> "sview" by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 13.01.12 Join bjst_ [242] (~bjst@linux3.contactor.se) 13.01.28 >>> "sview" by bjst_ (~bjst@linux3.contactor.se) 13.01.59 >>> "cmd" by bjst_ (~bjst@linux3.contactor.se) 13.02.09 # hm dunno 13.03.43 >>> "usermod zagor" by bjst_ (~bjst@linux3.contactor.se) 13.03.52 >>> "pass" used by bjst_ (~bjst@linux3.contactor.se) [snoop prevented] 13.03.52 *** SPY: Authentication failed for bjst_ 13.03.57 >>> "pass" used by bjst_ (~bjst@linux3.contactor.se) [snoop prevented] 13.04.03 >>> "help usermod" by bjst_ (~bjst@linux3.contactor.se) 13.04.57 >>> "usermod -P Zagor Zagor" by bjst_ (~bjst@linux3.contactor.se) 13.05.03 >>> "sview" by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 13.05.17 >>> "cmd" by bjst_ (~bjst@linux3.contactor.se) 13.06.40 >>> "help useradd" by bjst_ (~bjst@linux3.contactor.se) 13.06.56 >>> "useradd -P Bagder Bagder 242" by bjst_ (~bjst@linux3.contactor.se) 13.07.03 >>> "useradd Bagder 242" by bjst_ (~bjst@linux3.contactor.se) 13.07.24 >>> "usermod Bagder 242" by bjst_ (~bjst@linux3.contactor.se) 13.08.08 >>> "usermod bagder 242" by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 13.08.14 >>> "pass" used by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) [snoop prevented] 13.08.17 >>> "usermod bagder 242" by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 13.08.41 >>> "sview bagder" by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 13.08.53 Quit bjst_ ("Client Exiting") 13.09.52 >>> "cmd" by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 13.10.15 >>> "help chgcmdlev" by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 13.10.23 >>> "chgcmdlev seen 0" by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 13.10.42 >>> "help seen" by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 13.13.44 >>> "seen" used by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) [snoop prevented] 13.13.49 >>> "seen" used by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) [snoop prevented] 13.13.53 >>> "seen" used by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) [snoop prevented] 13.14.09 >>> "seen" used by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) [snoop prevented] 13.14.13 >>> "seen" used by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) [snoop prevented] 13.14.22 >>> "seen" used by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) [snoop prevented] 13.14.29 >>> "seen" used by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) [snoop prevented] 13.14.59 >>> "status" by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 13.15.29 >>> "help me" by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 13.15.42 >>> "help devoice" by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 13.16.00 >>> "country schneuff" by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 13.16.15 >>> "country .de" by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 13.16.25 >>> "help country" by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 13.16.37 >>> "country adiamas" by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 13.17.23 >>> "help talk" by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 13.17.40 >>> "help chat" by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 13.18.44 >>> "help ckey" by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 13.19.32 >>> "help talk" by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 13.22.26 >>> "help top" by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 13.22.34 >>> "top idle" by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 13.22.43 >>> "top talk" by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 13.33.38 Join xam__ [0] (~xam@tqpc.ucc.ie) 13.35.09 # time for a partition debug screen 13.35.28 # before 1.4? 13.35.31 # yes 13.35.45 # it's a simple job, and it will be valuable having in the release 13.36.50 # can someone look at jason's bug? 13.38.37 Nick seb-sleep is now known as _seb_ (user@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 13.40.45 Nick xam__ is now known as xam (~xam@tqpc.ucc.ie) 13.41.02 # which package might have a qstring.h header file? 13.41.07 # any guess? 13.41.33 # good question 13.41.37 # qt? 13.41.47 # http://doc.trolltech.com/3.0/qstring-h.html 13.41.49 # good guess 13.42.06 # hm, ok, thanks 13.43.11 # fltk it seems 13.43.18 # it has some qt-emul layer 13.50.00 Nick _seb_ is now known as seb-school (user@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 13.55.57 # for the search engine someone work on it? 13.57.51 # bobTHC: you mean the id3 database? 13.58.51 # i don't know if it's with id3 database but someody talk about search algorythm a couple of week ago 13.59.04 # to find tracks 13.59.21 # yes, that was it 14.00.00 # but he doesn't talk about DB he planned to scan directly the files if i remember well 14.00.28 # he did, but that was much much too slow 14.01.53 # part screen done 14.02.20 # * Bagder has subscribed to lots of mailing lists today... 14.02.45 # lots of tiny-web-browsers out there 14.03.41 # hehe 14.04.07 # news from the client, then? 14.04.38 # yeah, I'm about ---> <--- this close to start for real now, this is just some ramping up before it starts for real 14.05.08 # nice 14.05.10 # btw, we might use microwindows 14.05.17 # Greg's baby 14.05.30 # ah, cool 14.05.44 # "The ViewML browser, along with it's user interface comes in around 2MB" 14.06.18 # what about the tiny one we looked at before? dillo or something like that. 14.06.44 # it has at least 3 silly problems I found on the first test site we've got from the makers of the server side 14.06.54 # oh 14.07.07 # and, if I bypass those, it 14.07.16 # still didn't show the html the way I'd wanted it to 14.07.48 # nothing's decided yet, I'm just investigating what's available 14.14.15 Join TotMacher [0] (tot@ip67.rsidus.riege.de) 14.18.39 # bbl 14.18.42 Part Bagder 14.36.49 # we're approaching release 14.37.46 # the manual is a sore spot, though 14.42.52 # help on target would be nice 14.43.33 # yeah 14.44.16 # and perhaps would encourage developers to keep it up-to-date 14.45.17 # or whoever 14.46.10 # wap file (*.wml) or true html ? 14.46.46 # help on target will be normal text 14.47.21 # one file per 'screen' should suffice 14.47.47 # wml viewer can be great ! well formated text is more clear! ;) 14.48.14 # for help or other things 14.48.37 # it's just an idea of course and not a request 14.48.46 # hehe 14.49.07 # wha u think about that ? 14.49.35 # if you write it, i will consider it. generally, though, wml is not a nice format. 14.50.18 # i know it's a ugly format but widespread format 14.50.56 # editor and viewer for all platfoem already exist 14.51.22 # html is heaps better, if you want formatted text 14.51.30 # no editor necessary 14.51.34 # :) 14.52.57 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.55.57 # ure right if screensize is not a pb 15.02.24 # wml does not affect screensize, only file size. and with gigs of harddisk space, file size is not an issue 15.14.44 Join edx [0] (~edx@pD9EABC60.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.19.15 # hi edx 15.27.27 # hi 15.27.36 Mode "#rockbox +o Zagor " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 15.28.26 Topic "Release 1.4 is tagged in CVS. Only the manual is left." by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 15.30.11 # Zagor, can you tell me: in the hardware survey - what do these values stand for? ;) 15.30.46 # Rom is ok.. then USB - is that USB 2 capability? 15.31.38 # no, it's the polarity of the usb_detect signal 15.31.43 # aha. 15.32.03 # mask is what we believe/hope is a hardware compatibility mask 15.32.13 # ata is the base address for the ata controller 15.32.17 # the ATA value can be 0x200 or 0x300, right? and it is some version for something...? 15.32.21 # aahh ok 15.32.44 # what do you mean with "hardware compability mask"? 15.32.59 # and where do you get it from? 15.33.01 # there are dozens of little differences between recorders that we spend a lot of effort detecting. this is an effort to get a bigger grip on that. 15.33.17 # we read it from the ROM firmware, the same as the ROM version 15.33.33 # you will note that the rom version and the displayed version are not always the same... 15.33.56 # aha.. so the mask is containing all that differences and is put together by the above values? 15.34.16 # yes, noticed that already. 15.34.37 # we don't know 100%. the mask is a value we read from the rom, not something we create ourselves. we *hope* we can use the mask instead of having to detect all the differences ourselves. 15.35.08 # yes that would be great.. thanks for explaining that to me - i still have to do the survey myself.. will do that in a sec 15.39.18 # i fear i damaged my jukebox somehow.. 15.39.33 # it just shuts down (and maybe reboots) sometimes.. 15.39.55 # its like every 20 minutes or so - not regularly - the more i move it the more it reboots.. :/ 15.40.10 # sounds like a loose connection somewhere 15.40.28 # yup. 15.41.13 # i have not removed the warranty seal yet.. and somehow i dont feel like it's a good idea to do that (im a complete technical idiot) 15.41.16 Join Bagder2 [241] (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) 15.43.37 # Zagor: can i also answer to a thread using the news server? 15.43.49 # edx: i think so. i have never tried it, though 15.43.56 # ill try 15.44.02 # what is PR btw..? 15.44.17 # its a register used for recording 15.44.36 # or something like that ;-) 15.46.08 # and the frequency? 15.46.15 # cpu freqency 15.46.42 # ahh.. good 15.46.54 # (thought that already) 15.46.59 # check out http://rockbox.haxx.se/manual/dir.html 15.47.13 # is the (r) and (p) notation too confusing? is there a better way? 15.47.36 # you need to have an explanation on the page somewhere 15.47.51 # nice. - is r = recorder, p = player? 15.48.25 # yes 15.48.31 # it's explained on the front page 15.48.32 # http://rockbox.haxx.se/tshirt-contest/winner/ 15.48.42 # mail coming up rsn 15.48.43 # ok.. with that knowledge its not confusing 15.48.46 # pretty good :) 15.48.58 # Bagder2: yeahu!! 15.49.31 # will you publish the complete results somewhere? :) 15.49.45 # possibly 15.50.50 # "Before the message is posted on the newsgroup, you have 15.50.50 # to confirm that you exist. Just reply to this message, and 15.50.50 # the message will be posted. 15.50.51 DBUG Enqueued KICK edx 15.50.51 # " 15.50.57 # so the message will be postet to the newsgroup. 15.51.19 # sounds good 15.52.29 # jeez! that authorizer is fast. 15.52.37 # replied and 5 seconds later i got a response 15.54.30 # seen linusn 15.54.41 #>> "seen" used by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) [snoop prevented] 15.55.03 # lost in space 15.55.07 # :) 15.55.45 # should we release 1.4 before the manual is completed? 15.55.46 # funny. 15.55.49 # logbot seen edx 15.55.53 # perhaps prisonner of the Rockbox Code Police Department ;) 15.55.55 # hm 15.56.18 # edx: it only responds to me in the channel. you can talk to it privately. 15.56.23 # aha. 15.56.29 # thats nice :) 15.56.41 >>> "seen" used by edx (~edx@pD9EABC60.dip.t-dialin.net) [snoop prevented] 15.57.03 >>> "seen" used by edx (~edx@pD9EABC60.dip.t-dialin.net) [snoop prevented] 15.57.04 >>> "seen" used by edx (~edx@pD9EABC60.dip.t-dialin.net) [snoop prevented] 15.57.22 # logbot request for Ops only ? 15.58.04 # bobTHC: no, for registered users. 15.58.22 # who are they? 15.58.30 # me :-) 15.58.46 # Zagor: has everything been finished for 1.4 that you want done? 15.58.58 # elinenbe: i think so, yes 15.59.12 # There are no bugs in the current CVS? 15.59.26 # there probably is 15.59.55 # I say finish the manual first. 16.00.02 # That should be a priority :) 16.00.16 # I think there should be a 1 page "quick manual" 16.02.17 # with all the button combos, etc. 16.03.06 # I can think of one bug... well, a limitation that bugs me :) 16.03.46 # elinenbe: there are a *LOT* of key combos... 16.04.06 # and they are context sensitive 16.04.09 # I know. And every one should be documneted somewhere. Want me to do it? 16.04.31 # i'm working on it right now 16.04.49 # There are 3 main views: WPS, Tree, Menu 16.05.00 # look at the manual 16.05.10 # and there are different combinations that can be used.... okay I look at it now. 16.07.31 # want me to mention some of the little idiosyncrasies 16.07.44 # holding on while the archos is plugged in boots to Rockbox. 16.07.51 # stuff like that. 16.08.15 # where should we put that? 16.08.42 # I am not sure... maybe a quick reference guide. a "secrets" guide 16.08.46 # something like that 16.09.45 # make sure the list of new features mentions everything -- that should be HUGE! :) 16.10.01 # how do I even find the manul from the web site? 16.10.02 # yeah 16.10.38 # there should be a link on the left hand side... I think the manual will have become THAT important 16.10.51 # with more and more features, more and more manual is necessary 16.10.55 # yes 16.11.07 Quit adiamas (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.12.14 # screenshots are dated :) time for new ones? hehe... 16.13.24 # with what u make this so nice screenshots? 16.13.48 # gimp 16.13.58 # the screenshots are from the simulator 16.14.22 # the serial modded ones can make screenshots from target 16.14.35 # I think the manual should mention all settings in DEMOS and GAMES too... 16.15.14 # Bagder2: yeah, but only linus has one and he is not here... 16.15.20 # elinenbe: it will 16.15.31 # right, and the gimp ones on a simulator will look very similar anyway 16.19.00 # much of the FAQ is outdated too. 16.19.14 # info about fonts/ID3 tags, etc. 16.36.27 # what's wrong with the id3 info? 16.36.53 # Can't ID# tags be larger than 300 bytes now? 16.36.59 # yes 16.37.10 # well, no 16.37.13 # sort of :-) 16.37.25 Nick Bagder2 is now known as Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) 16.37.43 # we still have the 300-byte problem 16.37.58 # but previously we had some other problems as well, that we sometimes thought was the 300-limit 16.38.49 # ..."file 'wps.config' you"... Q39 16.39.02 # oops 16.39.32 # from custom_wps_format 16.39.33 # File Location 16.39.33 # ------------- 16.39.33 DBUG Enqueued KICK elinenbe 16.39.33 # The default configuration file must be located in the /.rockbox folder 16.39.33 # of the evice and must be named default.wps (lowercase). Any other Custom 16.39.33 *** Alert Mode level 1 16.39.33 # WPS files may be located anywhere on the drive. The only restriction 16.39.34 *** Alert Mode level 2 16.39.34 # is that they must end in .wps 16.39.41 # this has been changed. 16.40.03 # and they need to be in ./rockbox NO subdirectories, otherwise they will not be persistent 16.41.07 # me fix 16.41.50 # http://rockbox.haxx.se/manual/rec-general.html -- out of date. 16.44.12 # elinenbe: it's not even linked anywhere 16.44.17 # it will go away 16.44.37 # hehe 16.44.51 # http://rockbox.haxx.se/manual/dir.html (mention ON+UP/DOWN for page up/down 16.45.03 # ah, good 16.45.10 # .txt support too 16.45.22 # http://rockbox.haxx.se/manual/wps.html 16.45.29 # ON+UP/DOWN pitch control 16.45.56 # but it is looking really nice. 16.46.04 # much more consise and better :) 16.48.22 Quit mecraw (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.48.34 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 16.48.36 # http://rockbox.haxx.se/manual/menu.html (sooo out of date!) 16.48.40 # dr Linus! 16.48.44 # hello LinusN 16.48.44 # yo 16.48.48 # yo, linus! 16.48.50 # yo! Yo! YO! 16.48.56 # hi! 16.49.02 # Bagder: no bandy today? (forgot about it myself...) 16.49.08 # the hardware survey man! 16.49.17 # Zagor: only 3 ppl 16.49.20 # ok 16.49.35 *** Alert Mode OFF 16.49.43 # LinusN: you been home today? 16.49.54 # in the manual mention that a quick press of the F1,F2, etc. turns it on, but a long press will turn it off when you let go. 16.50.48 # Bagder: at the hospital 16.50.55 # ugha 16.51.00 # with my wife 16.51.13 # ??? 16.51.23 # pregnant 16.51.27 # oh! 16.51.38 # 2 weeks left 16.51.41 # congradulations... soon you will have another tyke to read to. 16.51.50 # LinusN: congrats.. :) 16.52.33 # I found quite a big annoyance (not a bad one though) 16.52.48 # the time does not update accordingly with the pitch. 16.52.55 # so, if you have the pitch at 200 16.52.59 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.53.04 # the time chould click by 2x as fast 16.53.20 # it looks like all the songs end prematurely 16.53.45 # elinenbe: yes, this is known. we won't fix that. 16.54.01 # won't fix before 1.4 or won't fix ever? 16.54.26 # ever, unless someone writes an elegant solution. it's a very messy problem. 16.54.32 # ah. 16.57.10 # hmm the latest message to the mailing list: "I don't have any deer, but I would pay 20 Dollars for one. Chris Houghten 16.57.12 # " 16.57.19 # what's "deer" supposed to mean?! 16.58.15 # a buck is a male deer 16.58.42 # buck = $ 16.58.49 # yeah, but it was a joke 16.58.50 # ah... strange.. didn't even find that expression in the latest longman dictionary 16.58.58 # i know buck, yes ;) 16.59.35 # buck: The adult male of some animals, such as the deer, antelope, or rabbit. 16.59.40 # www.dictionary.com :-) 17.00.06 # ah.. now i also understand why he replies to my post :) 17.00.28 # i just new buck for $ nor for the animal hehe 17.00.34 # s/nor/not 17.01.16 # buck in US is like dollar 17.01.25 # yup - that's why i used that term 17.04.01 # Bagder: as cvs guru, could you extract a nice long changelog since 1.3? 17.04.14 # whoa 17.04.22 # that'll be enormous 17.04.28 # similar to greenback, a "one-er", rutabaga, ace, bean, bone, clam, etc... 17.04.32 # you owe me 5 bones 17.04.51 # Bagder: yeah, i know... some sort|uniq:ing may cut it down a bit. 17.04.56 # Zagor: you want it in the same style as that daily ones? 17.05.21 # Bagder: i'd prefer to have just one line per uniq commit comment 17.05.58 # that'll give a lot of weird scripting to do ;-/ 17.06.14 # stop kidding, you know it will be fun :) 17.06.18 # I'll search the net first 17.06.19 # :-) 17.06.35 # elinenbee: cool, i didn't know any of those expressions ;) 17.07.41 # there are more, but those are some common ones. 17.07.46 # I like using beans. 17.07.57 # hehe 17.08.16 # the most common is probably "buck" 17.08.27 # i dont have the faintest idea how to pronounce rutabaga.. :) *looking up* 17.08.45 # it's a rench word 17.08.51 # a french word 17.09.04 # aha 17.09.06 # it's a vegetable 17.09.19 # yup. just saw. 17.09.32 # "Swedish dialectal rotabagge" ;) 17.11.44 Nick Zagor is now known as Zagor|out (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 17.12.23 # hmmm LinisN: how come the frequency can only be detected for some devices? 17.21.10 # edx: i don't have frequency detection for Players, if that's what you mean 17.22.17 # but for all recorders? 17.22.20 # edx: and many people didn't read what i wrote, and tool the old daily build instead if the bleeding edge build 17.22.41 # the 20021009 build didn't include the freq detection 17.22.43 Ctcp Ignored 2 channel CTCP requests in 48 minutes and 42 seconds at the last flood 17.22.43 # * edx read what you wrote and took bleeding edge code ;0 17.26.28 # * LinusN has received a lot of hw info mails 17.26.46 # :-) 17.31.31 # hm 17.31.37 # Bagder: thanks for putting details online ;) 17.31.46 # getting all unique commit messages in one long file isn't very useful 17.35.28 # maybe it would be useful to put all messages with the same mask into one file? - depending on what you are after 17.35.55 # I think I should sort them on dates or something 17.35.59 Nick LinusN is now known as LinusN|dinner (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 17.37.10 # The daily build table is all nice and green... :-) 17.37.29 # that must mean something ;-) 17.43.44 # something like 1.4 release? 17.43.51 # ;) 17.43.56 # it sure smells like it ;-) 17.48.48 # cvs -Q log -d "2002-08-27 18000 lines 17.49.00 # ouch! 17.49.12 # only few change.... ;) 17.49.27 # 516 unique cvs commit messages 17.50.22 # that makes roughly 36 new lines per commit ;) 17.50.54 # 942 file modfications 17.53.54 # http://rockbox.haxx.se/all 17.54.57 # nice :) 17.55.00 # zagor 319 changes 17.55.06 # me 219 17.55.09 # linus 154 17.55.41 # now get rid of all the unimportant ones :) (things a normal person will not care about) 17.55.56 # yes 17.56.04 # I made this for Bjorn to read 17.57.07 # Bagder: how many changes did I? 2.. or 3? :] 17.57.38 # 10 17.57.40 # oh.. even 10 as far as I can sehh :) 17.57.46 # s/seeh/see 17.57.56 # hardeep did 18 17.58.09 # jheiner did 51 17.58.38 # I think the final distribution should come as a zip file with a .rockbox folder with some fonts, some wps screens, a little text file (maybe the faq) some languages, and some .cfg files. then all the user has to do is unzip it to their rockbox directory. 17.58.44 # that will be great 17.59.03 # hardeep's commits are the best! :) 17.59.03 # that's a good idea indeed 17.59.28 # people will not complain about making a .rockbox directory and such. 17.59.41 # then all the user has to do is unzip it to their ARCHOS!!! 17.59.44 # 319 zagor 17.59.44 # 219 bagder 17.59.44 # 154 linusnielsen 17.59.46 # error here. 17.59.47 # 55 adiamas 17.59.47 # 51 jheiner 17.59.47 # 46 elinenbe 17.59.50 # 22 malle 17.59.50 # 18 matsl 17.59.52 # 18 hardeeps 17.59.54 # 13 thebreaker 18.00.34 # we will probably need an install script 18.00.57 # a batch file for win user 18.01.26 # an old install.bat like old dos games!!!! 18.01.31 # :) 18.01.39 # an install script for win users would make life easy for us.... 18.02.00 # gotta go 18.02.03 Part Bagder 18.02.03 # yep but how detect the device letter? 18.02.11 # something along the lines of "browse to Archos drive" 18.02.16 # then an install button. 18.02.24 # whoever wants to go for it can! :) 18.02.31 # it would be nice and tight. 18.02.53 # then it installs all that junk to the drive! 18.09.17 Join edx|notebook [0] (~edx@pD9EAB7F4.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.10.43 # got disconnected 18.10.58 # bobTHC: what about a self-extracting zip archive? 18.11.22 # why not 18.12.00 # for final user the most simpliest is requiered !!! 18.14.20 # why it add "i" to my words...:( sorry 18.19.35 # C U ! 18.19.37 Part bobTHC 18.27.02 Quit edx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.27.19 Nick edx|notebook is now known as edx (~edx@pD9EAB7F4.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.53.02 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.56.43 # uhm.. i got another english question... talking about glasses, what does "they fruit" mean? 18.57.00 # they get steamy? 18.59.52 Join Django [0] (ogqaa@pd9e58da2.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.12.43 # edx: ?? 19.13.07 # edx: in what context? 19.19.28 # norm_: some dude talking about his glasses: "Them fruit." - i guess he means "They fruit." but i still dont get it.. 19.19.52 # edx: doesn't make any sense 19.20.24 # that's my thought.. are you a native American or English speaker? 19.20.31 # Canadian 19.20.42 # English is my first langyage 19.20.45 # er, language 19.22.07 # hmm 19.22.17 # its a book by William Golding 19.22.22 # "Lord of the Flies" 19.22.34 # Ah. I remember that one 19.22.45 # I haven't read that in many years 19.23.26 # im reading the first pages atm.. I have to read it for school. 19.25.21 # Ah, where he says "Them fruit-" and then wipes his glasses? 19.25.30 # exactly 19.25.44 # and he repeats that later in the text.. 19.26.06 # I think he was about to say something about the coconuts 19.26.13 # which he believes are fruit 19.26.22 # but stops to clean his glasses 19.26.28 # hm 19.26.39 # but theres a point.. 19.26.51 # so it looks like he's finished his sentence. 19.28.02 # plus he mentions it again and does surely not want to talk about coco nuts there. 19.28.59 # .. and quickly adjusted his spectacles on his nose. 'Them fruit.' He glanced round the scar." 19.31.06 Join MrDjango [0] (hcpip@pD953C97F.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.34.39 Nick Zagor|out is now known as Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 19.37.02 Quit Django (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.38.37 # what's the opposite of "emphasis". i.e. what does bass -2 dB do? 19.39.29 Join upiom [0] (~daniel@bb-62-5-8-63.bb.tninet.se) 19.39.48 # Zagor: suppress? 19.40.04 # norm_: sounds good, i'll use that 19.41.02 Quit pyvasene ("[x]chat") 19.42.53 Nick MrDjango is now known as Django|away (hcpip@pD953C97F.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.05.54 Join wallie [0] (~wallie@h-66-167-7-58.LSANCA54.covad.net) 20.43.48 Quit TotMacher () 20.49.23 # read the manual and tell me what I've forgotten (except the text viewer) 20.53.03 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.58.33 # Typo in general.html: 20.58.34 # * directory as you last was in. 20.58.38 # s/was/were/ 21.12.51 # fixed 21.14.26 # Hrm, another small nag point: for Loudness and Bass boost, s/emphasises/emphasizes/ 21.16.27 # 21.16.32 # Last item missing a 21.25.00 # Zagor: a whole bunch of the first page is a link 21.25.05 Join TotMacher [0] (tot@p5084BCC7.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.25.15 # Button Notation onwards... 21.27.22 Nick LinusN|dinner is now known as LinusN (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 21.27.30 # how was dinner? 21.27.37 # delicious 21.27.43 # did your wife want ice cream and pickles? 21.28.03 # yeah, and licorice and orange juice :-) 21.28.17 # pregnant women are sometimes crazy 21.28.39 Part wallie 21.29.09 # actually, my wife hasn't had that kind of cravings 21.29.37 # http://rockbox.haxx.se/manual/general.html 21.29.40 # on that page... 21.29.51 # Disk Spindown - Rockbox has a timer that makes it spin down the harddisk after being idle for a certain time. You can modify this timeout here. A very short timeout makes the interface less responsive and use more batteries for more frequent spinups, while a long timeout makes the disk spin too long and use more batteries... 21.30.06 # that sounds like no matter what you do, you use too much batteries 21.30.20 # :-) 21.31.19 # this is still a broken link: http://rockbox.haxx.se/manual/textviewer.html 21.32.04 # you might want to mention to try hitting the buttons durin oscillograph 21.32.55 # LinusN: get some new screenshots for the manual... of fun things like pitch changing etc... 21.33.25 # i'll do that tomorrow morning 21.33.30 # sounds great. 21.33.34 # make a list 21.33.38 # me? 21.33.49 # anybody 21.33.54 # Zagor has been busy with the manual all day. 21.33.59 # he might know better. 21.34.05 # he never does 21.34.07 # :-) 21.34.32 # Neet! (I never tried playing with the buttons in oscillograph before) 21.34.50 # manual problem: missing pitch settings from WPS screen 21.35.03 # sorry, it is there. 21.35.16 # but it is not very descriptive. 21.36.22 # I still think there should be a link to the manual on the left hand side of the page. 22.21.21 Nick seb-school is now known as _seb_ (user@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 22.24.41 # <_seb_> edx: "them fruit." could mean "those things are fruit" 22.24.58 Join langhaarrocker [0] (~Philipp@bdcde.pppool.de) 22.27.53 # hehe, just acted "BugBear help Desk" 22.28.06 # lots of relatives get it 22.31.26 Join radhard [0] (~radhard@p508512E4.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.31.48 # elinenbe: link bug fixed, thanks 22.32.53 # Hi! I've asked my PCB pro. He said, the schematics look like eagle, already. Possible? 22.33.04 # very possible 22.33.24 # there's a freeware version of eagle 22.33.45 # Too sad that they are in A3 format, that is not editable with the freeware. 22.34.08 # :( 22.34.30 # elinenbe: the problem with linking directly to the manual is: nobody will read the faq 22.35.01 # what? there is a faq? 22.35.02 # :) 22.35.29 # well, then put them both in small under documentation 22.35.34 # DOCUMENTATION 22.35.38 # faq 22.35.40 # manual 22.35.54 # then we're back to the old 20+ item left-menu 22.35.59 # MAILING LIST 22.36.11 # I just think those are quite important. 22.37.39 Quit mbr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.39.03 Join hardeep2 [0] (hardeeps@sdf.lonestar.org) 22.40.50 # i want CVS too 22.41.28 # now the link to the CVS web is buried under documentation/how to use CVS 22.41.39 # is sf down? 22.41.53 # I can update without probs 22.45.11 # i'm open for suggestions about the menu bar. preferrably more than just "i want everything in the menu" 22.46.38 # make it JAVA :) 22.47.01 # make it ActiveX :) 22.47.14 # excellent suggestions :-) 22.52.54 # langhaar: Do you use cvs with cygwin? 22.53.04 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.53.29 # no, I initially checked out with the command line cvs that came with WinCVS. 22.53.47 # It doesn't seem to be compatible with the cygwin cvs 22.54.11 # Well, the checked out files should be the same... ;) 22.54.11 # But for a test I checked out once using the cygwin cvs and it worked without problems 22.54.30 # Is WinCVS easier to use? 22.54.45 # not really. It has some nice features though. 22.54.57 # cygwin is the easiest to use. 22.55.46 # is it? Well I'm one of theese windows users, that like good guis... :) 22.56.15 # If they only were good.. :( 22.56.22 # WinCVS is not a GOOD gui. It's a bit weired. 22.57.27 # Never seen a versioning tool with a really good gui. Maybe I'll just test both. 22.57.54 # Zagor: i think the "developer resources" should be easily accessible, not necessarily from the main menu 22.58.07 # specifically the link to the CVS 23.00.03 # that should be swtiched for the manual 23.00.55 # elinenbe: ? 23.01.11 # yeah? 23.01.59 # what do you mean? 23.03.58 # I don't know... I am on crack here (programming asp shit) 23.04.05 # I am hating life. 23.04.14 # :-) 23.04.49 # I am shocked. Daily build is all green. 23.05.10 # i must do something about that :-) 23.05.36 # Maybe you should use .NET, it is easier when on crack since it has a more colorfull UI. ;) 23.07.56 # On the wps page in the description of the recorder default wps the %pm is missing. Is that worth sending a patch to the tracker? 23.08.35 Nick radhard is now known as rad[busy] (~radhard@p508512E4.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.09.18 # %pm missing? it's right there. 23.09.47 # in the very last line? 23.10.04 # which exact page are you talking about? 23.10.40 # http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/custom_wps_format.html, the last section titled 'Default', the default wps is listed. 23.11.04 # ah, that. ok 23.11.06 # i'll add it 23.15.25 Quit Django|away (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.19.58 # bed time .. cu 23.20.06 # bye 23.20.08 # nice dreams 23.20.18 # thnx ;) 23.20.27 Quit xam ("ChatZilla 0.8.7 [Mozilla rv:1.0.0/1]") 23.25.12 # Zagor: http://rockbox.haxx.se/manual/textviewer.html is nonexistant 23.32.31 Quit rad[busy] () 23.32.49 # reload the dir page. it's called textreader.html 23.36.52 # ahh -- I got it. 23.39.07 # so... looks like release time 23.39.24 # close. 23.39.37 # on hte patchtracker there was a patch about the backlight 23.39.49 # fixed 23.39.58 # was that fixed? Backlight always on not loaded on boot? 23.40.04 # yes 23.40.12 # wait!! what about recording :) 23.40.20 Quit hardeep2 (Remote closed the connection) 23.40.22 # 12:24 in recent CVS 23.40.28 # and playlist creation? 23.40.31 # ah, right. the recording patch :-) 23.40.41 # i think you forgot sending it to me... 23.40.54 Join marvincbr [0] (marvincbr@12-250-191-213.client.attbi.com) 23.41.17 # Have you received the key scheme patch? :) 23.41.27 Join hardeep2 [0] (hardeeps@sdf.lonestar.org) 23.42.44 # there is nothing I can speak of... 23.42.47 # oh - 1 thing. 23.42.59 # I think you could release a self extracting zip 23.43.14 # not self-extracting. just a normal zip will do. 23.43.18 # that has archos.ajz (or .mod) with .rockbox dir with some sample files in it. 23.43.23 # well, then that. 23.43.30 # yeah, i'll do that 23.43.38 # i'll add faq.txt too :-) 23.43.40 # put the faq in as a txt file, and the manual too :) 23.44.13 # what about an uninstaller? 23.44.20 # lol 23.44.26 # we need Install Shield! 23.44.36 # add some of your favorite wps files, 23.44.39 # some fonts 23.44.55 # some songs, too? 23.44.59 # some .cfg files (make sure recorder zip has proper ones, and player zip has proper ones) 23.45.06 # actually I don't have any fav wps files. do any of you guys? 23.45.06 # no, they take up too much room 23.45.57 # <_seb_> anyone here developing on win32? 23.46.09 # using cygwin 23.46.17 # <_seb_> eh, I don't feel like reinstalling it 23.46.46 # <_seb_> haste mal ohne cygwin kompiliert? 23.46.49 # can someone help me build uisims with cygwin? 23.47.01 # <_seb_> I'm trying to build with the gnush thing 23.47.18 # I have one, that has both a progress bar and the peak meter 23.47.40 # lang...: good luck. I have had 0 luck with that. I just test on the simulator 23.47.42 # thank you very much for the rockbox firmware/software(?) it makes my studio 20 so much more enjoyable 23.47.50 # marvincbr: you're welcome! 23.48.17 # Zagor: can you DCC? 23.48.26 # I will send you wps 23.48.46 # sure 23.48.53 # LinusN: you're becoming lazy. Where's your frequently asked question? 23.49.42 # elinenbe: failed: no route to host 23.49.53 # hold on... firewall here. 23.49.57 # langhaarrocker: :-) 23.50.48 # I just email 23.50.54 # ok 23.51.02 # langhaarrocker: i'm drowning in hardware information :-) 23.51.44 # I use it with small fonts. 23.52.18 # LinusN: have you already received hw info on the MultiMedia JB? :) 23.52.49 # lol 23.57.38 # i'm throwing in the atadore, chicago12, rockbox_default and uwe_prop fonts. any others you think? 23.58.11 # throwing in? 23.58.13 # throw in a 9 liner 23.58.23 # either smalltalktightmono 23.58.26 # or 5x7 23.58.32 # 5x7 is wider and more readable 23.58.43 # LinusN: yeah, i'm planning to make a nice .zip this time, with a few things in the .rockbox dir already 23.58.57 # I like the 5x8 better but it lacks of umlaute.