--- Log for 12.10.102 Server: brunner.openprojects.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16p1 Started: 1 day and 11 hours ago 00.00.25 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 00.00.25 # * EnnaN owns player 00.00.29 # :( 00.00.40 # oops 00.01.34 # yep, wanted a recorder, but player was on sale..new and in box and all, but REALLY cheap...so i changed my nmind.. 00.04.12 # Mmmmmh ok, been curious, but now understand ;) 00.06.01 Nick radhard is now known as rad[f] (~radhard@p50850EA8.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.12.40 Quit EnnaN ("Leaving") 00.17.40 Join Ennan [0] (~Doe@cc53164-b.groni1.gr.home.nl) 00.17.48 # back 00.18.18 # just thought that is i'd get my 2nd video card out, my linux instal. still works.. 00.18.27 Quit Zagor ("Client Exiting") 00.18.34 # so no i'm completly on linux....no quota :) 00.18.59 # wooo 00.19.13 # soo, lemme download and try again.. 00.19.26 # but first a question..could it be that i allready 'have' gcc? 00.19.37 # installed, yes 00.19.46 # not necessarily the source code 00.20.20 # ah...could you send me the url of that manual you send me earlier? 00.20.35 # http://rockbox.haxx.se/cross-gcc.html 00.20.37 # nvr mind.. 00.20.44 # :) tnx anyway 00.22.57 # tarring like a dream :) 00.27.42 # having no idea what's going on, but looking good.. :) 00.29.01 # I'm off 00.29.03 Part Bagder 00.29.25 Nick rad[f] is now known as radhard (~radhard@p50850EA8.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.31.06 # Ennan: compiling? 00.31.22 Nick _seb_ is now known as seb-away (user@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 00.31.44 # well, making binutils and gcc 00.32.26 # Yeah, it's more complicated than it should, but it's worthwile! 00.32.58 # too bad you don't understand a thing your shell says..it's just too quick :) 00.33.11 # just follow instructions and let the characters run by you.. 00.34.17 # ok, but now, i'm allmost done with the gcc..and then what? 00.34.18 # Well, took the windows way as said. Don't know which is less "being run by something" ;) 00.34.28 # :) 00.35.32 # I'm of no use with Linus installations, just good enough to pass some jokes... 00.36.04 # two archos owners walk into a bar says one: i know a program that will rock your box.. 00.38.33 # Maybe he should say "I know *something* that will rock your box.." Just to see the look on his face. :-) 00.38.43 # Hehe.... 00.39.38 # :) 00.39.41 # Other one: "What? You kidd'n me!" 00.40.04 # eeuhm, i'm building now, but the script wants to know if i have a new or old lcd 00.40.05 # First one: "Well, let's go outside and I'll show you!" 00.40.10 # how the f*ck do i know.. 00.40.29 # ? Got a recorder, sorry.... 00.40.41 # first one gets his archos from his underpants and flashes it.. 00.40.47 # Just try, if display looks weird, take the other one. 00.41.44 # Don't know where you keep your Archos when out, but.... :) 00.42.14 # :) 00.42.27 # I just compiled my first archos.mod (all chear please) 00.42.37 # now i have to do the patch..ever done 1? 00.43.11 # No one managed it to fry his box with software. Well, at least I've never heared something like that. 00.43.17 # Well, congrats on that! 00.43.48 # No, just unchecked and changed code as i need... 00.44.21 # Should be done by your local CVS client or by yourself ;) 00.45.22 # ...badger said somethign about the patch command.. 00.45.32 # and i *hav* a patch command available.. 00.45.40 # problem is..when do i call it :) 00.45.43 Quit TotMacher () 00.46.21 # man cvs? Sorry, got a point'n click interface. 00.47.34 # patch is actually nothing more than aplying diff things it seems... 00.47.42 # at least thats what the manual sais.. 00.47.46 # Yepp 00.48.14 # that's it. Think it's called "merge" in my cvs-client. 00.49.11 # not using cvs..just downloaded the sourcefiles and the pathfiels 00.49.14 # files that is 00.49.34 # Ah, ok. Maybe you have to to it manually. 00.53.38 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.54.53 # i'm trying to 00.54.58 # and i just got a makefile 00.55.03 # and an error... 00.55.17 # and a nasty one it is. 00.57.02 Join langhaarrocker [0] (~Philipp@Bdbd7.pppool.de) 00.57.38 # Well, what does it say? Hi langhaar! 00.57.51 # Wal 00.58.10 # typo? 00.58.45 # no. You are German and should know that Wal is an appropriate answer to Hai 00.59.36 # Hehe, ok. Didn't say hai! ;) 00.59.55 # But it sounded the same here. 01.00.28 # You got a german computer? Should turn the mirc wizards off... 01.00.45 # radhard: playlist.c: In function `add_file_to_queue': 01.00.45 # playlist.c:80: too few arguments to function `play_list' 01.00.45 # make[1]: *** [/home/nanne/archos/source/rockbox-1.4/build/playlist.o] Error 1 01.00.45 DBUG Enqueued KICK Ennan 01.00.45 # make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/nanne/archos/source/rockbox-1.4/apps' 01.01.03 # didn't managa it to have a look at the routine implemented or either the reverse from you. 01.01.23 # ?? 01.01.27 # manage. That's been a typo. 01.01.29 # hi langhaar 01.01.37 # Hi Ennan 01.02.13 # eminem: That a clearly described error. Maybe you should have a look at the definition and at the function call. 01.02.40 # i was going to...but i assume that is was alright when the patch was made 01.02.50 # langhaarrocker: you know about patchin builds? 01.04.26 # not much. 01.04.36 # Now, here the compiler clearly stated what's wrong. 01.05.12 # Not all patches work, if applied to your downloaded version. 01.06.23 # well, i am looking at a function that has a variable less than it should have.. 01.06.36 # but it doesnt do any good to me trusting the patch.. 01.06.45 # Then you know, what's wrong ;) 01.07.00 # How's it called? 01.07.17 # In which file? 01.07.29 # i'm looking at a functino call in the palylist.c file 01.07.42 # play_list("/", NULL, 0, false, 0, 1); 01.07.51 # and looking at "int play_list" 01.07.56 # we see it needs 7 vars 01.08.44 # dir, file, start index, shuffled index, start offset, random seed,first index 01.09.02 # shuffled index is a bool, so there should be 3 ints afterwards.. 01.09.08 # and w only have 2... 01.09.23 # start offset...0 sounds good 2 me 01.09.51 # but is it the random seed or the first index.. 01.09.54 # that's missing 01.10.18 # As i see, the CVS doesn't even have a playlist.c. Maybe something wrong here. Mom. 01.11.36 # ?? the source i just downloaded does.... 01.11.50 # Aaah ok, searches in firmware but is in apps. Got it. 01.12.28 Join Jet8810 [0] (~Joshua@adsl-35-1-182.bct.bellsouth.net) 01.13.50 # Might be a path to an old version? If the value doesn't tell you what is is, it might get difficult. Well, seeds should not be a constant, so maybe that's what is missing. 01.14.12 # well, the seed is in the original file, and in the original call.. 01.14.26 # so i guess that the last is new, and just made it a 0 01.14.30 # works for that error.. 01.15.37 # Where's the call to that function? 01.17.35 # Just wondering why to pass a constant random seed. Hmmm. 01.18.48 # well, it sounds stupid... 01.19.07 # put if you have playlist.c there, the call is round line 80 01.19.20 # going to bed... 01.19.29 # ill try next time :) 01.19.37 Quit Ennan (Remote closed the connection) 01.19.38 # OK, night! 01.20.08 # Fast click'in Eminem.... 01.24.17 # langhaarrocker: Thank you for your help, I've got everything running now. TortoiseCVS seems like a good tool when using explorer! 01.32.18 # Heavily forced to go to bed now. Bye! 01.34.35 Quit radhard () 01.38.28 Quit langhaarrocker (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.53.40 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.10.23 Join Triple-z [0] (~Mp3@212.116.168.58) 04.17.30 # how can i set the default wps in ver 1.4? 04.24.03 # edit default.wps in the /.rockbox directory on your jukebox 04.24.06 Nick seb-away is now known as _seb_ (user@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 04.24.53 # <_seb_> or, press play while looking at a custom WPS file in the directory browser, and it will be used for the foreseeable future 04.28.26 Quit mecraw1212 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.28.38 # i did put it as default.wps in .rockbox dir 04.29.02 Join mecraw1212 [0] (~mecraw@dnvr-dsl-gw34-poola245.dnvr.uswest.net) 04.31.58 Quit Jet8810 ("Client Exiting") 04.34.50 # <_seb_> triple-z: try my second suggestion 04.37.10 # i think its system.wps in this ver 04.38.04 # Triple-z: there is no default.wps anymore 04.38.28 # the last wps file you used will be the "default" 04.39.02 # oh 04.39.03 # if you want to change the default, just select another wps file 04.39.42 # however: the wps file must be in the .rockbox folder 04.39.45 # and it 04.39.53 # it's name can't be longer then 24 chars 04.40.43 # how i can use a .lang file? 04.45.03 Quit hardeep ("My damn controlling terminal disappeared!") 04.45.21 Join hardeep [0] (hardeeps@208.247.65.237) 04.46.22 # blah, hate computer crashes 04.46.37 # <_seb_> just play the .lang 04.47.02 # .lng 04.51.45 Quit hardeep ("[BX] Reserve your copy of BitchX-1.0c19 for the Sony Playstation today!") 04.53.43 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.24.41 Join rhak [0] (~rhak@as5300-9.216-194-23-129.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) 05.24.49 # hmm 05.24.51 # better... 05.25.08 Quit rhak (Client Quit) 05.26.17 Quit adiamas ("Client Exiting") 05.29.02 Join adiamas [0] (~adiamas@as5300-9.216-194-23-129.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) 05.29.06 Nick _seb_ is now known as seb-sleep (user@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 05.29.07 Quit adiamas (Remote closed the connection) 05.30.20 Join rhak [0] (~rhak@as5300-9.216-194-23-129.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) 05.30.21 Quit rhak (Client Quit) 05.32.17 Join adiamas [0] (~adiamas@as5300-9.216-194-23-129.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) 05.36.22 Quit Synthe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.36.24 Join Synthe` [0] (Synthe@galt.synthe.net) 05.36.38 Nick Synthe` is now known as Synthe (Synthe@galt.synthe.net) 06.03.23 Nick adiamas is now known as adi|home (~adiamas@as5300-9.216-194-23-129.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) 06.44.06 Join hardeep [0] (hardeeps@208.247.65.237) 06.45.04 Quit datazone ("Client Exiting") 06.47.30 # adi|home: the release/repeat changes you submitted disable a lot of functionality on the wps screen 06.47.43 # eg. ff/rew is broken, none of the f keys work 06.49.46 # in the wps screen? 06.50.05 # yes, there are also similar bugs on the file browser 06.50.05 # hmmm... well.. the release/repeat shouldn't be being used.. ill look into it 06.51.46 # i believe the change Zagor is referring to in his TODO is to change the button code to send all events and have each module handle them 06.52.04 # instead of selectively sending them which is what the release/repeat masks did 06.52.37 # ff seems to work for me 06.53.00 # rew is screwed up 06.53.30 # right.. thats the problem.. nothing should be being masked out... 06.53.36 # and thats what the select did. 06.53.46 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.54.04 # the select is the opposite, it chose what events needed to be sent 06.54.11 # everything else was masked out 06.55.37 # so, now you've effectively set the mask to send no repeat/release events 06.55.47 # nods 06.55.49 # fixing it 07.03.57 # okay.. ff/rew fixed... 07.04.03 # checking funciton keys 07.04.47 # what were the bugs on the browser? 07.04.51 # function keys fixed 07.05.41 # hardeep? 07.08.22 # adi|home: some examples,, f2/f3 key can't exit 07.08.35 # pagedown mode locks browser in that mode 07.10.16 # basically, anything that relied on BUTTON_REL and/or BUTTON_REPEAT is broken 07.10.23 # nods 07.11.11 # you able to get dcc? 07.11.37 # and are you player or recorder? 07.11.41 # i wanna send you a test build 07.11.50 # recorder 07.12.01 # you mind? 07.12.06 # sure, send 07.14.35 # how do i do pageing? 07.14.43 # on+up/down 07.14.58 # okay.. looks fixed 07.17.54 # any luck? 07.18.35 # yeah, looks good 07.20.08 # commiting fix 07.20.22 # glad you caught it.. realized i forgot this file :) 07.20.33 # i mean.. to go over it that is :) 07.20.49 # this is only a preliminary fix anyways really 07.21.44 # nod 07.23.52 Join elinenbe2 [0] (~elinenbe@user-0cces0l.cable.mindspring.com) 07.24.03 Nick elinenbe2 is now known as elinenbe (~elinenbe@user-0cces0l.cable.mindspring.com) 07.24.13 # logbot seen linusN 07.28.08 # http://weblog.burningbird.net/archives/000581.php 07.28.11 # hehehe 07.28.19 # logbot seen adi|home 07.28.22 # heheh 07.43.13 >>> "help" by elinenbe (~elinenbe@user-0cces0l.cable.mindspring.com) 07.43.17 >>> "CMD" by elinenbe (~elinenbe@user-0cces0l.cable.mindspring.com) 07.43.25 >>> "help seen" by elinenbe (~elinenbe@user-0cces0l.cable.mindspring.com) 07.43.50 >>> "seen" used by elinenbe (~elinenbe@user-0cces0l.cable.mindspring.com) [snoop prevented] 07.44.00 >>> "seen" used by elinenbe (~elinenbe@user-0cces0l.cable.mindspring.com) [snoop prevented] 08.02.15 # red build 08.02.48 # Sirens!!! wooo! woo! wooo! woo! wooo! woo! 08.02.56 # laugh 08.07.17 # ick 08.08.25 # perl is a sick evil joke i have played on you all - and yet c# still sucks. 08.08.26 # Posted by: larry wall on October 12, 2002 12:22 AM 08.10.01 # lol 08.10.57 # well.. thats interseting.. 08.11.09 # in button.h 08.11.16 # ALL_BUTTONS was set to use BUTTON_OFF for the player 08.11.21 # but players don't have that ;) 08.11.23 # easy fix 08.12.59 # fixed 08.53.49 *** No seen item changed, no save performed. 10.13.22 Join langhaarrocker [0] (~Philipp@Bda64.pppool.de) 10.23.43 # adi: Isn't it you who does the faq? 10.28.18 # nods 10.28.20 # whats up? 10.28.48 # I think we should add a question on how to apply a patch. 10.28.48 # http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2002-08/1117.shtml 10.29.29 # fair enough 10.30.19 # And I noticed that the procedure for publishing a patch described in http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/contributing.html is out of date: it now should go to the patch tracker of sf. 10.33.55 # nods 10.38.00 # okay.. fixed.. itll take time to take... but i updated it 10.38.07 # anything else off hand? 10.38.33 # I thinkt zagor once pointed out a goot method on how to add a new file to a diff 10.38.53 # Was something weired with comparing to the null device. 10.39.08 # I currently am digging the irc logs. 10.44.29 # nods 10.44.36 # got it in the http://rockbox.haxx.se/irc/rockbox-20020926.txt 10.44.37 # 17.02.55 # run "diff -ub /dev/null newfile.c" to get proper diff output for new files. then add that to the diff. 10.45.09 # hmm do me a favor and check with him if he wants that in the FAQ 10.47.24 # As long as he's offline I can't 10.47.24 # The problem ist that when you want to make a patch for the patch tracker you can upload only one file. Problematic when your patch contains new files . 10.53.52 *** No seen item changed, no save performed. 10.59.30 # cu 10.59.42 Quit langhaarrocker ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)") 12.01.52 Quit adi|home ("Client Exiting") 12.22.21 Join adiamas [0] (~adiamas@as5300-11.216-194-24-173.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) 12.22.32 Nick adiamas is now known as adi|home (~adiamas@as5300-11.216-194-24-173.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) 12.36.40 # Triple-z: talk in here.. 12.36.43 # makes life easier 12.37.14 # ok 12.37.37 # okay.. so you have the hebrew file... 12.38.20 # yeah but its .lang on the site and not .lng like all the files in .rockbox dir in ver 1.4 12.40.11 # okay.. so that may be a bug.. just change the file to .lng 12.40.21 # give me a url for the languages 12.40.48 # i did that but it didnt work 12.41.01 # give me a url 12.41.24 # http://rockbox.haxx.se/apps/lang/hebrew.lang 12.41.43 # k.. one min 12.46.00 Quit adi|home (brunner.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 12.46.00 NSplit brunner.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net 12.46.00 Quit Schnueff (brunner.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 12.46.00 Quit mem (brunner.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 12.46.00 Quit mbr (brunner.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 12.46.00 Quit PsycoXul (brunner.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 12.46.00 Quit seb-sleep (brunner.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 12.46.00 Quit Hadaka (brunner.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 12.46.00 Quit hardeep (brunner.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 12.46.00 Quit norm_ (brunner.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 12.46.00 Quit Synthe (brunner.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 12.46.00 Quit mecraw1212 (brunner.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 12.46.00 Quit Triple-z (brunner.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 12.46.00 Quit Hes_ (brunner.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 12.46.15 NHeal brunner.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net 12.46.15 NJoin adi|home [0] (~adiamas@as5300-11.216-194-24-173.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) 12.46.15 NJoin hardeep [0] (hardeeps@208.247.65.237) 12.46.15 NJoin Schnueff [0] (~mah@goedel.cs.uni-sb.de) 12.46.15 NJoin mem [0] (~mem@host38-2.bluelabs.se) 12.46.15 NJoin seb-sleep [0] (user@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 12.46.15 NJoin mbr [0] (~mb@stlx01.stz-softwaretechnik.de) 12.46.15 NJoin PsycoXul [0] (psyco@adsl-63-205-41-64.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) 12.46.15 NJoin norm_ [0] (~norm@ottawa.linuxcare.com) 12.46.29 Join Bagder [241] (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) 12.46.29 NJoin Hadaka [0] (naked@aka.pp.htv.fi) 12.46.55 Quit norm_ (brunner.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 12.46.55 Quit hardeep (brunner.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 12.47.01 NJoin hardeep [0] (hardeeps@208.247.65.237) 12.47.01 NJoin norm_ [0] (~norm@ottawa.linuxcare.com) 12.53.54 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.32.11 Nick seb-sleep is now known as _seb_ (user@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 13.41.02 Join Hes [0] (~hessu@hessu.zedi.sonera.fi) 13.41.10 Join Synthe [0] (Synthe@galt.synthe.net) 13.41.48 Join mecraw1212 [0] (~mecraw@dnvr-dsl-gw34-poola245.DNVR.USWEST.NET) 13.41.50 Join Triple-z [0] (~Mp3@212.116.168.58) 13.53.11 Nick _seb_ is now known as seb-away (user@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 13.54.27 Join radhard [0] (~radhard@p50850EA8.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.55.00 # Hi! 13.55.03 # hey 13.55.25 # Is there a possibility to play around with the processor registers? 13.55.36 # "play around" ? 13.56.12 # Yep, setting ports high and low and stuff. Yes, I really want to fry my jukebox... ;) 13.57.33 # If ur doing hardware anlysis, it's annoying to compile over and over again to set registers. 13.58.00 # you mean you want a special screen that let you fiddle with them ? 13.58.19 # Something like taht 13.58.41 # we don't have anything like that atm 13.59.41 # Hm. Mybe I have to program something like that. Won't have much time for this today. 14.00.31 # Well, how did you figure out all theese settings? Just kept the original register setup? 14.01.05 # research 14.01.06 # test 14.01.08 # trial 14.01.09 # debug 14.01.43 # initially we tried dissassembling the Archos firmware, but really is hard and slow work to try to decipher stuff like that 14.02.24 # besides, there's docs for the CPU and stuff, most of it is documented 14.02.34 # yep, agreed. I'd like to try it the other way, since the software is already up and running. 14.03.10 # I have some problems with the schematics. They're missing some things, 14.03.34 # yes 14.03.56 # several things have been found out to be wrong there 14.04.04 # I've heared a rumour that it is not possible to prevent the Archos von shutting down. Is that right? 14.04.13 # right 14.04.51 # There should be a way to prevent that, but it's not in the schematics. Is there a known bugs list? 14.05.17 # not that I know of 14.05.26 # I just know several people have mentioned flaws 14.06.22 # I've seen the original firmware preventing shutdown. Maybe i can do a quick search on the mail archive. 14.08.38 # Is there a general IO management module? I can't find one in the sources. 14.09.29 # you mean like firmware/common/file.c ? 14.10.44 # Yep. One that manages the processor registers and that prevents somebody from doing read/modify/write and stuff. 14.11.13 # there's nothing that prevents anything from "doing read/modify/write and stuff" 14.13.08 # That has been a hard lesson for me to learn. Since then, i always use a general IO module for playing with the processor registers. Direct access can lead to very annoying bugs. How do you handle concurrent access from two modules? 14.13.25 # we don't have concurrent access 14.13.36 # we use a cooperative multitasking 14.13.38 # I beleive you do ;) 14.13.48 # like when? 14.14.21 # An ISR is able to interrupt the ccop and play with registers the same moment 14.14.39 # right 14.14.53 # so what if it does? 14.15.14 # it does nothing major on irq 14.15.37 # The registers end up in a mess and the program could crash. Or produce strange effects like inaccessible harddisk. 14.15.50 # why would they? 14.15.58 # you're just guessing here, right? 14.16.53 # I've seen that very often before, and it's a common mistake. Nearly costed a colleague his job. 14.17.35 # well, that might be true, but to take that as far to say that our way is flawed is a bit much 14.17.59 # I would believe you if you pointed out details 14.18.07 # not just guessing 14.18.21 # Just drifting off. No, i don't say that. Just trying to find out how you handle this problem. 14.19.02 # Mainly I'm just looking for safe IO access to all registers ;) 14.19.29 # then stop looking, we have none ;-) 14.20.44 # Ok, that's an answer! I'll have a look at some ISRs and other IO handling. Maybe I find a way to do it. Don't get me wrong, please. I think rockbox is a great piece of software! 14.21.10 # hey, if you can find flaws in the code, I'm just happy to correct them 14.21.39 # I'd be happy to tell you! 14.22.43 # Ok, then I'll dive a bit into. Thanks and bye! 14.22.47 # bye 14.23.02 Nick radhard is now known as rad[away] (~radhard@p50850EA8.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.27.54 Join calpefrosch [0] (~hotrana@p5082C2A3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.28.00 # hi 14.28.04 # hi 14.28.44 # I want to try the remote input today, but I measured a Voltage in the "input".. Does anybody know why ? 14.28.59 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 14.28.59 # * Bagder is clueless 14.29.34 # Hi! Think it's floating or already pushed to Vcc 14.30.18 # yes, I tried to pull it to Vss with a resistor, but I didn't "moved" 14.31.04 # Uh, that's bad. 14.31.09 # maybe the resistor was to high, but I don't wanna destroy my beloved jukebox 14.31.17 # Value? 14.31.21 # 100k 14.31.28 Nick rad[away] is now known as radhard (~radhard@p50850EA8.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.31.36 # That IS too high. Try 5K 14.32.00 # hmm, ok. so one bit is a pulse to low.. 14.32.05 # The port can handle 2mA and even a 3K would only draw 1mA. 14.32.28 # Yepp, that's common for most controller UART. 14.32.38 # ok, I try. brb 14.33.58 Join Django [0] (~Django@pD953CF8C.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.39.26 # Will have to make a cable to put the hdd away while running. Uhm. Lots of cables.... 14.42.00 # back, but even a 1K will drive the input only to 1,5 V 14.42.29 # redhard: did you ever tried the remote input ? 14.43.29 # I'm on that. I'll have to do it with open recorder, because i don't have a 4 pin plug. 14.44.05 # ok, you are from germany ? 14.44.16 # Just building a "laboratory recorder setup". Yes, i am. 14.44.33 # me too, which city ? 14.44.43 # Gummersbach near cologne 14.44.58 # I'm from guetersloh 14.45.31 # I've heard it, but can't remeber where it is... 14.45.56 # at the A2 between Hannover and Dortmund 14.46.18 # Ah, ok. Not too far away. 14.46.46 # Did you measure the current through the 1k? 14.47.07 # no, I only gave short bursts 14.48.13 # Maybe you could measure voltage and current through a 5k? That should be safe. 14.48.55 # Sorry, that is safe. 14.50.34 # ok 14.50.39 # brb 14.50.44 # Badger: Did you hear of Jean J. Labrosse? 14.52.51 # nope 14.53.57 *** No seen item changed, no save performed. 14.54.27 # He did a complete portable, ROMable, scalable, preemptive real time operating system called "MicroC/OS-II". It's great work, easy to use, and free as far as i know. We used this on in an application. 14.55.08 # And it's standard C, no weird C++ stuff. Much like RTKernel. 14.57.47 # neat 14.58.12 # radhard: at 4.7k I measured 0.6V drop 14.58.23 # Even though it is not used here, it is great for private projects and a very interesting lecture. It's been ported to over 20 microcontroller by now. Even AVR. Don't now about SH-1... 14.59.12 # Drop from line to ground loaded(unloaded or drop over the resistor? 14.59.42 # over the resistor 15.00.01 # is there a cue file support yet? 15.01.00 # no 15.01.05 # This is 0.12mA. That's not very much. 15.01.55 # Can you measure the unloaded voltage, please? 15.01.56 # that's weired, seems to me that it is an output 15.02.37 # I have 3,3V unloaded, and with the resistor to gnd 2,7V 15.03.13 # No, its not on output. Think it's push by resistor. That's very good for out own remote interface! 15.04.32 # yes, but is has to be around 1K pull-up 15.04.47 # I cannot believe that 15.05.20 # I could try a 500 Ohm short burst 15.05.51 # Wait a minute. If the voltage drops from 3.3 to 2.7V, you should have the full 2.7V drop over the resistor. That makes .6mA. 15.06.22 # You're right. Seems like a 1K. 15.06.46 # you are right too, I had the 2.7V over the resistor 15.06.56 # sorry 15.06.59 # np 15.07.39 # somebody tried the remote already. He should know... 15.08.59 # Who is Tjerk Schuringa ? 15.09.06 # Badger: It's an R&D book completely in english. If you are interested in details. 15.09.29 # calpefrosch: Then, who did it? 15.09.51 # Don't know. Is he the guy? 15.10.38 # he is mentioned in the notes.html, Part Remote Control 15.28.53 Nick radhard is now known as rad[shopping] (~radhard@p50850EA8.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.29.28 # sorry, I just talked to radhard in german, and now I just give the details to the irc for documentation 15.29.52 # We are thinking, that the jukebox has an internal 1K resistor to 3.3V 15.30.08 # an the remote pulls to GND 15.34.19 Join langhaarrocker [0] (~Philipp@Bdb6b.pppool.de) 15.50.07 # bbl 15.50.09 Part Bagder 15.56.03 Join hotrana [0] (~hotrana@p5082C2A3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 15.56.03 Quit calpefrosch (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.56.23 Nick hotrana is now known as calpefrosch (~hotrana@p5082C2A3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 15.58.16 # is the serial input register somwhere in the debug menu ? 15.58.40 # if not, can we add it ? 15.59.52 # Maybe you can add it? 16.00.55 # unfortunately I have no compiler running. could anybody else be so kind ? 16.01.06 Part elinenbe 16.03.19 Nick calpefrosch is now known as calpe[away] (~hotrana@p5082C2A3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 16.08.08 Quit langhaarrocker (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.08.45 Quit rad[shopping] (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.18.26 Join rad[shopping] [0] (~radhard@p50850ACA.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.21.26 # We almost know, that there's a 1K pullup and the remote pushes GND. With 2mA driving capability of the processor that would make a bidirectional remote impossible. But the processor seems to be capable of driving 2mA Vcc and sinking 8mA to groud. I have to check this again with the datasheet, but this new information will lead to a slightly different direction in the remote discussion. 16.21.32 Nick rad[shopping] is now known as radhard (~radhard@p50850ACA.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.27.35 # What is the timeout here? 16.37.18 Nick calpe[away] is now known as calpefrosch (~hotrana@p5082C2A3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 16.37.31 # hallo radhard, did you get everything ? 16.37.59 # Yep. It was close, but i managed it before 16:00 ;) 16.38.15 # hehe 16.38.53 # ok, I build a circuit with oc, but I didn't worked 16.39.48 # The SH1 doc says, that it is capable of 10mA sink. That should work, but the voltage is very high then. What did you send? 16.40.42 # 0xC1 , as ASCII Char 191 , I tried some others, but... nothing happened 16.41.10 # 0xC1 is play. Did you use a PC to send? 16.41.18 # I have no compiler running, can u put the rec-register in the debug view ? 16.41.32 # yes, I sent it with win2000 hyperterminal 16.41.49 # eeee, dont think it's appropriate. 16.42.10 # 9600 Baud? 16.42.44 # why not ? I watched the signals with an oczilloskop... 16.42.59 # yes, 9600 Baud, 8N1 16.43.39 # Hmm, if it really sends 0xc1 it should be ok. 16.43.43 # just got the PICs today, and I have to build a programmer first... 16.44.27 # Maybe switch to Atmel? they are much easier to program in hw and sw. 16.44.42 # so it would be good to watch the registers with the debug 16.45.18 # no, I have years of experience with the PIC16C57 and so it's ok 16.45.45 # I can send you one if you are interested. Ok. I would have to look where the code is located. 16.45.49 # now I have the 16F84 and need an different programmer 16.46.15 # Ooooh. Serial and 16f84 doesn't fit very good. 16.47.14 # sure, but there is a sw-serial code I worked with, it's okey. I have to feed my sony radio, too. 16.48.58 # back to the debug output. can you put it in the firmware ? 16.49.03 # I would only recommend it for transmission, but not for reception. I know both processors very well and i've never seen a godd (i.e. failsafe) reception routine. 16x oversampling is a bit too heavy for this device ;) 16.49.39 # ok, I could switch to 16F628 ( right? ). It has an hw receiver... 16.50.07 # Yes, that'd be ok. 16.53.46 # I'd like one of those tiny AVR 8pin SMDs for a *very* small and lightweight remote. This could be self powered without modification, since it has a calibrateable on-chip RC oscillator. 16.53.59 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.57.18 # ah, cool. First I want to have a car changer emulation. I found an open source project with this PIC, so I could use it... 16.57.54 # sounds good, maybe i should buy a sony ;) 16.58.51 # yes, I thought about selling my Sony with ebay and buy a new cheap one with changer control... 17.00.00 # What about your transistor setup? 17.01.28 # what do you mean ? 17.03.52 # How did you connect the PC and the Archos? 17.04.31 # At least you need one transistor. 17.04.56 # ok, I put a diode and 4k7 at the base and the emitter to gnd. the collector at the archos 17.05.35 # All GNDs connected, i suppose.... 17.05.53 # then I tried a max232 and at the 5V ouput this circuit. Yes all to gnd 17.06.18 # With the max232 it won't work. 17.06.49 # why? 17.07.47 # Got a compiler error with the latest source. Damn. Easy: PC idle is -9V, Max changes it to 5V what makes the transistor push to gnd (dominant pegel at the archos). 17.08.51 # Possibly you nee a resistor (about 10k) from base to ground in the transistor-only setup. 17.11.58 # ls 17.12.07 # wrong windows, :-) 17.12.18 Join IonizedElf [0] (~elf@12-249-93-127.client.attbi.com) 17.12.33 # happens... ;) Sure it is an NPN? 17.12.48 # I just came by to thank you folks very much for a truly amazing piece of software 17.12.50 # you mean to pull it to gnd because the diode and -9V ... yeah 17.13.05 # yes 17.13.51 # not me, not me. But nice to hear you're happy with it! 17.13.55 # hi IonizedElf... don't thank me. 17.14.16 # its like having a new jukebox 17.14.26 # yesm they did a very good job. 17.14.38 # they are doing... 17.15.47 # Yes, it is. I also think that it is really great SW! And btw, it's a lot of fun working for it. 17.15.48 # have to go now, I try tomorrow with the resistor. 17.16.04 # I'll also try it here. One moment. 17.16.07 # are u here tomorrow ? 17.16.22 Quit Triple-z (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.16.25 # think yes. What pin is it? the first one? 17.16.48 # at the archos ? the last 17.17.01 # measure the voltage to be sure.. 17.17.09 # The one directly besides ground? 17.17.28 # Will do. Bye! 17.17.32 # yes. but I have a connector. So I don't know exactly.. 17.17.46 # just curious... what does Archos think about the rockbox? they should be looking to distribute it with the unit 17.18.22 # can you tell me if it is working ? I'll be back in a few minutes... 17.18.26 # Zagor said, that they aren't very interested. 17.18.34 # morons 17.18.57 # agreed, but the brought us the archos! 17.19.09 Nick calpefrosch is now known as calpe[brb] (~hotrana@p5082C2A3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 17.19.10 # true 17.19.15 # Yes, but i have to solder some things first. 17.19.50 # Thought you have to go? Tahat here will take an hour at least... 17.20.26 # ok folks thanks once again. keep up the good work 17.20.27 # bye 17.20.32 # Bye! 17.20.35 Part IonizedElf 17.35.24 Nick calpe[brb] is now known as calpefrosch (~hotrana@p5082C2A3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 17.35.55 # hi, I'm back for a few minutes. Then I have to go ( really.. ) 17.36.22 # radhard: Did you try ? 17.38.02 # have to go... bye 17.38.16 Quit calpefrosch () 18.03.33 Quit radhard () 18.20.31 Join elinenbe [0] (~elinenbe@user-0cces0l.cable.mindspring.com) 18.30.16 Join TotMacher [0] (tot@p508DB528.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.54.00 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.25.33 Join Jet8810 [0] (~Joshua@adsl-34-179-196.bct.bellsouth.net) 19.49.13 Join radhard [0] (~radhard@p50850ACA.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.53.08 # Hi! Got a strange problem with remote. On my recorder the remote pin seems to be floating, while on another recorder the pin is pushed to 3.3V. Is anybody able to measure the remote voltage on his device? 19.57.15 # you already have a remote? 19.57.21 # is it a display remote? 19.57.26 # or just the Archos one? 19.57.57 # Althoung communication is ok, i can send commands to the archos via selfmade PC level converter. But that would influence the hardware design of our remote. 19.58.17 # I'm not that fast ;) 19.59.23 # I'll do it step by step. First good hardware design, then protocol and after that remote software. 20.00.58 # Hopefully together with the other 3-4 interested guys :) Can u measure the voltage on yours? 20.17.51 Join tot [0] (tot@p508DB528.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.17.52 Quit TotMacher (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.19.17 Quit tot (Client Quit) 20.24.54 Join TotMacher [0] (tot@p508DA3E2.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.39.29 Quit Jet8810 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.42.29 Join Mine78 [0] (Pozzolo@r-bo060-5c67.tin.it) 20.42.35 # hi can I make a questiuon ? 20.42.52 # Is there someone that would like to answr ;-) ? 20.43.01 # Mine78: You can certainly ask 20.43.12 # Mine78: No guarantee we answer though. :) 20.43.14 # I have some silly questions... please don't kill me :-P 20.43.16 # 1st 20.43.41 # i saw in the main page written "removed showtext.c" 20.43.50 # what does it mean ? that the text editor is disabled ? 20.44.02 # no, this was an older text editor 20.44.07 # ah ok 20.44.12 # 2nd 20.44.40 # Mondya I am going to buy a recorder 10 so I woul like to know "with rockbox firmware can I record "? 20.44.55 Part elinenbe 20.44.57 # No, recording is not yet supported. 20.45.09 # It will hopefully be in the next release but there are no guarantees 20.45.11 # Why is it so hard to do if you can explain me ? 20.45.25 # However, if you need to record, you can make use of the ROLO feature on rockbox 20.45.36 # which will let you run the Archos firmware from within rockbox to record 20.46.02 # (I still don't have a recorder... until monday... I cannpot try...) ROLO is a menu inside the rocbox firmware >? 20.46.30 # Mine78: Recording requires writing to disk which isn't currently implemented 20.47.31 # ROLO is a menu inside the rocbox firmware ? 20.47.44 # Mine78: see Q33 on http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/faq.html 20.48.00 # ops......... sorry ! I read the faq but don't remember it ! 20.48.04 # Other 2 questions 20.48.33 # 1) Will be possible to connect a player/recorder with a smartmedia or compactflash interfaces to download files on the recorder without needing a pc ? 20.49.28 # probably not without hardware modifications 20.49.58 # ...............so exchanges of files (for example between 2 recorders) will be impossible without modding... 20.50.44 # i'm not all that familiar with the hardware but, yes, I believe it would require modifications 20.50.52 # question 2 - Having a graphic display could be useful to display VERY SIMPLE images ? For example small bmp or jpg ? 20.52.23 # It's certainly possible. You may want to make a feature request 20.53.38 # WOW !!! I WILL PUT IT RIGHT NOW ! 20.54.02 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.54.33 # Another thing... will be possible to auto-format a .txt when showed without need scrolling left/right but only up/down ? 20.55.14 # Yeah, word wrap is very desirable. I'm sure someone will add it well before the next release 20.55.23 # Shoul I put my request in NEW CODEC or in INTERFACE IMPROVEMENTS ? 20.55.53 # interface improvements sounds more appropriate 20.56.21 # will be problematic to have an auto wrap text when changing font size ? 20.57.14 # Font size will have to be taken into consideration when implementing word wrap 20.57.28 # shouldn't be too problematic 20.59.46 # I put 2 requests: word wrap and graphic files... where can I find my requests and where can I find if they had been accepted/added ? 21.01.28 # http://rockbox.haxx.se/requests.shtml 21.02.06 # Ah ok I saw... it took me some minutes to understand the "graphic" order 21.02.23 # but will be possible to show bmp or jpg on a player which don't have a graphic display ? 21.05.33 # No, see Q40 on FAQ 21.06.33 # I made the question just after reading Q40... 21.06.47 # You are really polite thank u to answer my BORING questions 21.07.58 # A cool option could be the use of the SMALLEST MAME games to run into the recorder... do u think it will be possible to make an emulator for the archos ? I saw some portable cameras have it ! 21.12.33 # I'm not all that familiar with MAME and what its requirements are 21.19.22 # It's open source, and have games (roms) very small... 4-8-16Kb 21.19.32 # Could be compatible with archos memory I suppose 21.19.46 # I told you there is a port of the emulator for digital cameras 21.19.52 # (i don't remeber the model) 21.31.15 # thank you so much 21.31.18 # good night 21.31.20 Quit Mine78 ("Shokowahhhhh dwahhhnowan!!") 21.49.11 Quit TotMacher () 21.58.20 # Cool. Games and Bitmaps on test mode. Well, not for me, but has anybody seen Quake in Textmode? http://webpages.mr.net/bobz/ttyquake/ 21.58.52 # Sorry, in text mode. Typo 22.05.05 # I'm out now. Nice evening to everybody! 22.07.40 Quit radhard () 22.25.25 Nick seb-away is now known as _seb_ (user@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 22.54.04 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.00.15 Join Bagder [241] (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) 23.18.19 Join langhaarrocker [0] (~Philipp@Bdb32.pppool.de) 23.35.35 Join Mighty [0] (mboss@h17n2fls35o931.telia.com) 23.40.13 Quit langhaarrocker (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.42.03 Nick Django is now known as django|away (~Django@pD953CF8C.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.42.04 Quit Mighty ("[BX] For a good time, call 1-900-4BitchX") 23.48.14 # "The Archos with Rockbox sounds much much much better than the Ipod" 23.51.17 Nick _seb_ is now known as seb-away (user@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 23.52.36 Join Phantom [0] (Phantom@ASte-Genev-Bois-109-1-1-54.abo.wanadoo.fr) 23.52.39 # HI 23.52.43 # hi 23.52.50 # I need help : 23.52.57 # how to use a patch ? 23.53.23 # .diff files 23.53.37 # See q57 in faq 23.53.41 # tks 23.54.37 Quit Phantom (Client Quit)