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00.03.20 #       <langhaarrocker> weren't there plans to put a read_line function into file.c?
00.04.06 #       <Bagder> yes, there is one I believe for the cfg reading
00.04.19 #       <langhaarrocker> but it is static in settings.c
00.04.26 #       <Bagder> ah
00.05.15 #       <Bagder> seems a bit stupid
00.05.54 #       <langhaarrocker> I remember a discussion about read_line, I have about three versions from different patches around here and don't want to write a 4th one. 
00.06.19 #       <Bagder> just remove the static then, to start with
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00.07.05 #       <Phantomdjp> hi !
00.07.10 #       <Phantomdjp> help again :
00.07.35 #       <langhaarrocker> Why is Zagor not around when he's needed. I'm pretty sure that he had the 5th variant of read_line...
00.07.47 #       <Bagder> I bet he does ;-)
00.07.57 #       <Phantomdjp> ***No rule to make target 'lang/.lang', needed by 'build.lang'.  Stop.
00.08.17 #       <langhaarrocker> Which makefile?
00.08.22 #       <Phantomdjp> win32
00.08.25 #       <Bagder> what language did you select?
00.08.25 #       <Phantomdjp> apps
00.08.35 #       <Phantomdjp> How to select a language ?
00.08.39 #       <Bagder> uh
00.08.44 #       <Bagder> are you using cygwin?
00.08.48 #       <Phantomdjp> no
00.08.55 #       * Bagder shrugs
00.09.01 #       * langhaarrocker too
00.09.03 #       <Phantomdjp> sh-elf tool chain
00.09.05 #       <Bagder> welcome to win32 hell
00.09.15 #       <Phantomdjp> as in http://rockbox.haxx.se/sh-win/
00.10.25 #       <Phantomdjp> help me please
00.10.34 #       <Bagder> the pure windows make files are in bad shape
00.10.46 #       <Bagder> I strongly recommend the cygwin route
00.11.02 #       <hardeep> Phantomdjp: try make -f win32.mak LANGUAGE=english
00.12.12 #       <hardeep> but I would second Badger's suggestion of using cygwin
00.12.27 #       <Phantomdjp> I have cygwin BUT don't know how to use it..I ve compile all
00.12.55 #       <Phantomdjp> but don't know how to compile the .ajz
00.13.11 #       <langhaarrocker> Has anyone made cygwin make a uisim for windows?
00.13.22 #       <hardeep> it's done by the makefile, make sure you've run make in the tools dir before starting build
00.13.26 #       <Bagder> langhaarrocker: I don't think so
00.14.07 #       <hardeep> langhaarrocker: i've only got it working with VC6
00.14.29 #       <langhaarrocker> Phantomdjp: if you use http://merwin.bespin.org/sh1cygwin it works superb
00.14.58 #       <Phantomdjp> ok tell me ALL what I must to do please
00.15.57 #       <Phantomdjp> that is a FULL cygwin http://merwin.bespin.org/sh1cygwin ???
00.16.02 #       <hardeep> Phantomdjp: if you're using cygwin just follow the instructions in http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/how_to_compile.html
00.16.22 #       <langhaarrocker> 1.) install cygwin
00.16.23 #       <langhaarrocker> 2.) install http://merwin.bespin.org/sh1cygwin
00.16.23 #       <langhaarrocker> 3.) cvs checkout
00.16.23 DBUG    Enqueued KICK langhaarrocker
00.16.23 #       <langhaarrocker> 4.) mod some paths
00.16.23 #       <langhaarrocker> 5.) make build dir
00.16.23 ***     Alert Mode level 1
00.16.23 #       <langhaarrocker> 6.) run configure
00.16.25 #       <langhaarrocker> 7.) make
00.16.27 #       <langhaarrocker> 8.) be happy
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00.16.43 #       * Phantomdjp shoot him
00.17.09 #       * langhaarrocker dropped dead
00.17.18 #       <Bagder> you only do this once, and then you'll have your rockbox build environment setup nice and clean forever! ;-)
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00.17.51 #       <langhaarrocker> besides you want the uisim, too
00.18.07 #       <langhaarrocker> Then you need VC6, too
00.18.12 #       <Bagder> hehe
00.18.16 #       <Phantomdjp> uisim can't be done under windows I think
00.18.25 #       <Bagder> someone should make it build with cygwin
00.18.39 #       <langhaarrocker> yes. someone. please.
00.18.45 #       <Bagder> Phantomdjp: sure it can
00.21.03 #       <langhaarrocker> Bagder: you don't get
00.21.04 #       <langhaarrocker>  
00.21.04 #       <langhaarrocker> lcd.c
00.21.04 ***     Alert Mode level 2
00.21.04 #       <langhaarrocker> ../../firmware/drivers/lcd.c(89) : error C2143: Syntaxfehler : Fehlendes ')' vor  ':'
00.21.54 #       <Bagder> no I don't
00.22.19 #       <langhaarrocker> It seems my VC6 doesn't like the inline assembler.
00.22.40 #       <Bagder> that file is not for the simulator
00.23.05 #       <Bagder> I bet the makefile is out of date
00.24.25 #       <langhaarrocker> My uisimulator\win32\Makefile.vc6 is clean.
00.24.56 #       <Bagder> yes, but not up to date with the changes in the source tree I mean
00.25.06 #       <Bagder> like the lcd file split
00.25.56 #       <langhaarrocker> but yours is up to date?
00.26.10 #       <Bagder> I don't build for nor on windows
00.26.35 #       <langhaarrocker> :( again noone to blaim.
00.27.07 #       <Bagder> well, fix and post the patch
00.27.23 #       <langhaarrocker> no, I have to do other things first.
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00.31.17 #       <Bagder> time to hit the bed
00.31.20 Part    Bagder
00.35.59 #       <Hadaka> anyone have emacs nearby? (xemacs isn't enough)
00.36.46 #       <langhaarrocker> I use windows ... :)
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02.19.57 #       <radhard> When i pitch down the time keeps running in seconds. Is that intended?
02.20.47 #       <radhard> Well i almost think it is known. Have to go to bed. Night!
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05.49.25 #       <_seb_> I decided I'm going to carry around my jukebox for the rest of my life, with my headphones around my neck and the volume all the way up, always playing something, to make a soundtrack for my life.
05.49.40 #       <_seb_> Which reminds me of a feature request: random track from ENTIRE DISK :)
05.55.31 #       <PsycoXul> just make a whole disk playlist
05.55.57 #       <PsycoXul>    2975 wholedisk.m3u
05.55.59 #       <PsycoXul> heh
05.56.15 #       <PsycoXul> i should update it
05.56.29 #       <PsycoXul> it'll get up over 3000
06.00.17 #       <_seb_> that's a good idea
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11.33.01 #       <Bagder> hi edx
11.33.19 #       <edx|notebook> hi
11.33.24 #       <edx|notebook> "edx Nickname is already in use.".. what the..!
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11.34.53 #       <edx> thanks to nickserv ;)
11.35.07 #       <Bagder> :-)
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13.52.40 #       <Mine78> A questrion
13.52.48 #       <Bagder> shoot
13.52.55 #       <Mine78> does the recorder support Variable bitrates or it skip ?
13.53.05 #       <Bagder> it supports them fine
13.53.15 #       <Mine78> Even at maximum encoding ?
13.53.22 #       <Bagder> yes
13.53.22 #       <Mine78> (VBR High Quality) ?
13.53.25 #       <Mine78> GREAT !
13.53.32 #       <Mine78> I bought it today from archos website
13.53.41 #       <Mine78> I think it will be a GREAT piece of hardware !
13.53.58 #       <Mine78> Another thing... the rockbox allow ALL FILE EXTENSIONs to be shown ?
13.54.07 #       <Bagder> yes
13.54.31 #       <Mine78> Can I set which extensions I want form a menu ?
13.54.41 #       <Mine78> ex in the cfg file ?
13.54.58 #       <Bagder> no
13.55.06 #       <Mine78> I must recompile all ?
13.55.13 #       <radhard> It's only VBR, isn't it? It's a grat piece of software. Hardware is a bit lala, but i am very thankfull for the HD-firmware-feature :)
13.55.16 #       <Bagder> what do you want more specificly?
13.55.40 #       <Mine78> I would like to be shown only playlist mp3 and txt files
13.55.55 #       <Mine78> lala= ???
13.56.21 #       <edx|notebook> put other files into other directories :P
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13.56.42 #       <Bagder> Mine78: atm we have a "dir filter" that shows "music", "all supported" or "all". .txt is "supported"
13.57.16 #       <radhard> It's in between. Sound quaity is good, power supply for the harddisk and implementation for the remote is not. But we can deal with that. 
13.57.18 #       <Mine78> can u wxplain this better ? You mean that the recorder will see only a folder called musiic ?
13.57.45 #       <Bagder> Mine78: can you please read the docs or at least try the software first?
13.57.53 #       <Bagder> it works
13.57.57 #       <Bagder> and it works pretty good
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13.58.08 #       <Mine78> I know i read all the faqs and now I am reading irc logs...
13.58.17 #       <Mine78> I discover that hardware only 1 week ago
13.58.34 #       <radhard> Just give it a try! 
13.58.43 #       <Mine78> Where can I find how a .cfg file is structured ?
14.00.23 #       <Bagder> docs/CUSTOM_CFG_FORMAT
14.01.07 #       <radhard> Try first. I don't think you'll need all this to get started.
14.01.34 #       <Mine78> One last thing... where can I find some WPS files ?
14.01.48 #       <Bagder> download rockbox
14.01.56 #       <Mine78> got them
14.02.22 #       <Bagder> so?
14.02.32 #       <Bagder> there are at least two WPS files in the release archive
14.02.45 #       <Bagder> you mean even more?
14.04.30 #       <Mine78> yes even more ;-) I saw in pics they are grat
14.04.49 #       <Mine78> (sorry I know I am boring and u are extremely polite to answer my silly questions...)
14.05.07 #       <Bagder> well, poeple tend to post their own wps files on various forums
14.05.19 #       <Bagder> try the yahoo archos group and funmp3players.com
14.06.01 #       <Mine78> Another thing... is there an archos font editor for windows ?
14.06.15 #       <Bagder> use anything that can produce bdf fonts
14.06.28 #       <Bagder> then convert the bdf into a rockbox font
14.06.32 #       <Bagder> using our tool
14.06.43 #       <Mine78> but the tool is for linux...
14.06.48 #       <Bagder> no
14.06.50 #       <Mine78> i don't know linux at all
14.06.56 #       <Mine78> thgere is a source code
14.06.59 #       <Bagder> yes
14.07.04 #       <Bagder> for any platform
14.07.10 #       <Mine78> isn't it for linux ? Ah ok !
14.07.19 #       <Mine78> Do u know any win32 bdf maker ?
14.07.36 #       <Bagder> I don't know any for any platform
14.07.40 #       <Bagder> try google
14.07.56 #       <Mine78> :(
14.08.15 #       <Bagder> bdf if a standard format
14.08.20 #       <Mine78> ... i really suck at compiling... is there a compiled version of your converter ?
14.08.21 #       <Bagder> there are many tools for it
14.09.17 #       <Mine78> I am looking on google but it's all for win or it has to be complied...
14.09.46 #       <radhard> mine: When you get your player, please do me a favor and try the original OS first. Then install rockbox, lay back and enjoy! After that you can tweak it if you like. btw: There are lots of ready made fonts.
14.10.08 Nick    radhard is now known as rad[clicking] (~radhard@p50850ACA.dip.t-dialin.net)
14.10.22 #       <Mine78> ok... understood... I will stop making questions... :-P
14.12.52 #       <rad[clicking]> It's no problem, but you really should try it and be suprised!
14.13.34 #       <rad[clicking]> I've also been a bit nervous, before i got my Archos. I understand that. ;)
14.13.54 #       <Bagder> and keep in mind that rockbox is only made because we think its fun
14.14.33 #       <Mine78> eheheheh I think u are great... I would like to help but I don't have any coding ability...
14.14.46 #       <Mine78> Do u think will be possible to show BMP and JPG on the recordser ?
14.14.48 #       <Bagder> we need lots more than just code
14.14.52 #       <Bagder> sure it is
14.15.03 #       <Bagder> we already have bmp viewer code
14.15.11 #       <Mine78> ?????????
14.15.15 #       <Mine78> it works ?
14.15.21 #       <Bagder> sure
14.15.28 #       <Mine78> why don'timplement it ?
14.15.42 #       <Bagder> because there's more to it than just showing the image
14.16.03 #       <Bagder> like we'd need to shrink images
14.16.13 #       <Bagder> and dither the colors to black/white etc
14.16.23 #       <Mine78> wow...... and for jpg ?
14.17.07 #       <Bagder> we don't have any jpeg viewer, but the problem is not to display it
14.17.15 #       <Bagder> it is what to do with the image
14.17.20 #       <Bagder> it'll look crap whatever we do
14.17.38 #       <Mine78> do u have a reason why ?
14.17.51 #       <Bagder> we have a tiny screen
14.17.58 #       <Bagder> we're only black/white
14.18.24 #       <Bagder> there's no magic involved here, just plain logic
14.18.30 #       <Mine78> Ah so the image is "decoded" but looks bads
14.19.05 #       <Bagder> imagine your favourite picture. Then imagine the same picture using only black pixels and white pixels.
14.19.21 #       <Bagder> then make it teeny-weenie small
14.19.30 #       <Mine78> yes I understand...
14.20.29 #       <rad[clicking]> mine: Maybe one day you also got the compiler running and write some code for a function you're missing. I can help you installing it on your win-machine, if u like.
14.23.03 #       <Mine78> REALLY ?
14.23.09 #       <Mine78> Please, tell me !
14.24.34 #       <rad[clicking]> Not today, if u don't mind. But if u got the player, tested rockbox and want to play around with the code, i'd be happy to help you. Just ask. Today i'm a bit short of time.
14.26.10 #       <Mine78> OK !
14.26.16 #       <Bagder> we also have docs on the site on how to do it
14.27.50 #       <rad[clicking]> Yes, but it's a bit harder than described in the docs. At least on my machine... ;)
14.27.57 #       <Bagder> ok
14.28.12 #       <Bagder> then the docs should be fixed! ;-)
14.28.28 #       <Mine78> I thank u all u are all really kind people !
14.28.48 #       <Bagder> we just pretend ;-)
14.29.12 #       <Mine78> Question: are fnt used for archos identical to the fnt in dos or is a differet type ?
14.29.32 #       <Bagder> dos?
14.29.34 #       <rad[clicking]> Maybe. I have everything written down. If i find time to add it, i'll do. But how - editing the wesite?
14.29.47 #       <Bagder> rad[clicking]: the site is in the www cvs module
14.30.10 #       <Bagder> rad[clicking]: just posting to the mailing list is fine too
14.30.10 #       <Mine78> I cannot find a bdf editor for win except for a cywin version (or something like that)
14.30.11 #       <rad[clicking]> ooops... missed that.
14.30.49 #       <rad[clicking]> Mine: you should try to get cygwin up and running, You'll also need that for the compiler.
14.31.06 #       <Mine78> I know I tryed to download it but it hangs
14.31.09 #       <Mine78> i will retry
14.31.33 #       <rad[clicking]> Well, it's big.
14.32.00 #       <Mine78> I have adsl
14.32.18 #       <rad[clicking]> Then retry....
14.32.38 #       <rad[clicking]> Be sure to select all the compiler stuff!
14.32.56 #       <Mine78> yes I did but at 1/3 it hangs
14.33.37 #       <rad[clicking]> Never heared of that. Maybe you could ask a friend to d/l it for you?
14.34.18 #       <Mine78> Dunno
14.34.22 #       <Mine78> I will try tomorrow
14.34.27 #       <Mine78> I have an exam thursday
14.34.29 #       <Mine78> I must study
14.34.43 #       <rad[clicking]> Or try to select everything, then start d/l. I also have to go clicking now....
14.38.11 #       <Mine78> I re-thank you all I'm going now !
14.38.12 #       <Mine78> Byez
14.38.22 #       <Mine78> ah I have a web site
14.38.26 #       <Mine78> http://clik.to/quaglia
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14.51.45 #       * Bagder added more rubbish :-)
14.53.40 #       * edx just saw :D
14.53.45 #       <edx> is it compiled yet?
14.53.51 #       <edx> or do i have to do myself
14.54.00 #       <edx> dont want to wait for the next daily build to test it :)
14.54.10 #       <Bagder> 6 minutes to bleeding edge build
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14.54.28 #       <Bagder> http://storebror.haxx.se/archos/
14.54.32 #       <Bagder> is there now
14.54.41 #       <edx> thanks :)
14.55.18 #       <edx> damn.. last day of my holidays today.
14.56.47 #       <edx> hmm USB just hang?!
14.57.01 #       <edx> DOH!!!
14.57.03 #       <edx> WTF!
14.57.08 #       <edx> it fragged my whole harddrive
14.57.22 #       <edx> just some crappy tmp files on there or something
14.57.30 #       <edx> STEM~1. 
14.57.35 #       <edx> and that kind.
14.57.36 #       <Bagder> uh, did you accidentally download my virus collection instead? ;-]
14.58.20 #       <edx> they wont execute just by downloading :P - the USB mode screwed up - after my system nearly hung for 15 seks or something I pulled the cable
14.58.24 #       <edx> hmm
14.58.34 #       <edx> no i got to re-transfer all those files again!
14.58.36 #       <edx> damn it.
14.59.14 #       <edx> is it any use doing something else?
14.59.38 #       <Bagder> to achieve what?
14.59.43 #       <edx> restore files.
14.59.56 #       <Bagder> I don't really know
15.00.22 #       <edx> ok ill just retransfer files.. (my guess is that the file table has been smashed)
15.00.32 #       <edx> ah.. maybe scandisk
15.00.35 #       <edx> ill give it a shot
15.03.39 #       * edx wants USB 2
15.03.45 #       <edx> too slow..
15.03.46 #       <Bagder> usb 2 is neat
15.03.49 #       <edx> really
15.04.11 #       <edx> had a usb firewire combo card for a while.. but it always rebooted my system when i plugged in a firewire device
15.04.15 #       <edx> so i sold it.
15.04.25 #       <edx> (because with win2k the error did not occur)
15.04.33 #       <edx> was a driver issue i guess.
15.04.44 #       <Bagder> sounds like it, yes
15.05.57 #       * edx tests your mod in w32sim while his device is busy
15.07.18 #       <Bagder> it runs faster on target than it does in the x11 sim for me
15.08.23 #       <edx> really?! maybe because of false simulated delay times... 
15.08.33 #       <Bagder> yes, might be that
15.11.53 #       <edx> bagder, does http://codeforce.dyn.ee/rockbox/autocvs work for you?
15.12.03 #       <edx> can't load the page here (humm?)
15.12.32 #       <Bagder> nope
15.12.56 #       <edx> hm
15.12.58 #       <edx> strange 
15.16.21 #       <edx> Bagder: what does it tell you? couldnt connect? or resolve DNS?
15.16.35 #       <Bagder> it connects fine, but there's no content delivered
15.16.45 #       <edx> yeez.
15.16.59 #       <edx> he - you saw the new patch? the 3d cube?
15.17.06 #       <Bagder> noticed
15.17.23 #       <edx> maybe its really time to get a math.c with the sin/cos values in an array
15.17.28 #       <edx> and approppriate functions
15.20.05 #       <rad[clicking]> another thing to approximate?
15.22.35 #       <edx> ill try restarting the server - be back in a few mins
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15.26.39 #       <Bagder> bbl
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15.32.17 #       <edx> ok
15.32.26 #       <edx> works now.. hmm what could that have been?
15.36.52 #       <edx> Bagder.. my compiler doesnt get the asm part there:
15.36.58 #       <edx>     asm("and.b %0, @(r0,gbr)"
15.36.58 #       <edx>          :
15.37.03 #       <edx> the ":"
15.37.05 #       <edx> in lcd.c
15.37.08 #       <edx> line 89
15.37.10 #       <langhaarrocker> bagder is gone
15.37.14 #       <edx> oh
15.37.17 #       <edx> *doh*
15.37.19 #       <edx> just noticed.
15.37.28 #       <langhaarrocker> are you trying to build a sim?
15.37.35 #       <edx> the win32 sim, yea
15.37.45 #       <langhaarrocker> Had the same problem.
15.37.54 #       <edx> damn why does it even get there?!
15.37.59 #       <edx> *thinking...*
15.38.03 #       <langhaarrocker> Somewhen the lcd code was split up in recorder and player specific things
15.38.16 #       <langhaarrocker> The makefile hasn't been updated, I think.
15.38.47 #       <edx> hm got it/
15.38.50 #       <edx> it seems )
15.48.28 #       <langhaarrocker> Where in the makefiles are preprocessor smbols like HAVE_MAS3587F defined?
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15.51.29 #       <rad[clickin]> been thrown out by my provider. It's in /firmware/config-player.h
15.52.21 #       <rad[clickin]> or config-recorder.h. whatever you need.
15.52.42 #       <langhaarrocker> seems I have to include config.h
15.53.24 #       <rad[clickin]> looks like. yes.
15.53.53 #       * langhaarrocker is trying
15.54.54 #       <langhaarrocker> yes, that was it. Thank you
15.55.27 #       <rad[clickin]> np. Try to get my agent talking. He wont. That son of...
15.56.13 #       <langhaarrocker> what agent?
15.56.47 #       <rad[clickin]> MS-agent. He should read the irc-messages, but he only clicks and displays them.
15.57.41 #       <langhaarrocker> I ended up using trillian.
15.58.36 #       <rad[clickin]> I have to code a UI for a customer and don't want to miss IRC-messages. So i use the agent settings in mirc. How does trillian manage that? btw what is trillian?
15.59.13 #       <langhaarrocker> a client for aim, icq, irc, ...
15.59.30 #       <rad[clickin]> commercial?
15.59.35 #       <langhaarrocker> freeware
16.00.16 #       <rad[clickin]> .cc. I'll have a look...
16.00.22 #       <langhaarrocker> http://www.ceruleanstudios.com/
16.01.01 #       <rad[clickin]> Thought it's trillian.cc. Good software?
16.01.40 #       <langhaarrocker> I like it. It works, but I didn't try many other things. Had aim, icq and then trilian.
16.02.33 #       <rad[clickin]> Don't like the AOL stuff. Too sad that thay bought mirabilis.
16.03.20 #       <langhaarrocker> And trillian has more smily simbols that aim...
16.03.35 #       <rad[clickin]> I'll give it a try and hope there is no backdoor built in... ;) I just remember an email commercial about trillian. But i tend to throw them away immediately. 
16.04.58 #       <rad[clickin]> I hope there's no "buddy-list". I dislike that word, because it sounds very odd in german. 
16.05.31 #       <langhaarrocker> it has buddy lists - at least for aim and icq
16.06.01 #       <langhaarrocker> (doesn't sound strange to me)
16.06.03 #       <rad[clickin]> Maybe i can use soft-ice to change the name.
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16.07.58 #       <langhaarrocker> edx: could you cure the win32 simulator?
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16.08.56 #       * Bagder runs the cube in the sim
16.09.18 #       <langhaarrocker> but not on windows I guess
16.09.24 #       <Bagder> no
16.09.30 #       <Bagder> it looked rather.... strange
16.09.41 #       <langhaarrocker> the cube?
16.09.50 #       <langhaarrocker> (a good movie btw)
16.09.52 #       <Bagder> yes, it runs so bloody fast in the sim ;-)
16.10.29 #       <langhaarrocker> have you tried it on the recorder, yet?
16.10.51 #       <edx> Bagder: maybe it's the compile which corrects the floating point issue?
16.11.08 #       <Bagder> yes, it gotta be something like that
16.11.13 #       <Bagder> I run it now on the recorder
16.11.16 #       <Bagder> looks neat
16.11.21 #       <edx> hehe
16.12.01 #       <langhaarrocker> probably the sh1 delegates all the fp stuff to micronas :)
16.16.54 #       <Bagder> I slowed down button_get() in the sim
16.17.00 #       <Bagder> then it looks a lot nicer
16.21.11 #       <edx> im trying to fix win32sim right now.. it needs to compile the lang file as well.. argh
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16.21.27 #       <Bagder> well it needs a lang.h
16.21.40 #       <edx> yeah..
16.28.32 #       <Bagder> you think I should add the cube?
16.32.16 #       <edx> generally, yes - but i couldnt have a look at it so far.. unfortunately
16.32.29 #       <edx> i mean it's just like bounce - a fun toy ;)
16.44.09 #       <edx> Bagder: what could that be: ../../apps\demo_menu.c(46) : error C2065: 'LANG_BOUNCE' : undeclared identifier
16.44.32 #       <Bagder> that you for some reason don't have that in your lang.h
16.45.06 #       <edx> but i _do_ have lang.h
16.45.14 #       <edx> hmm what directory is it supposed to be in?
16.45.37 #       <Bagder> in your build directory
16.45.51 #       <edx> i put it to uisim/win32/ 
16.45.52 #       <Bagder> that's how the unix build does it
16.47.28 #       <edx> ah the generated lang file empty.
16.47.46 #       <Bagder> oh
16.48.05 #       <edx> perl -s genlang -p=../uisimulator/win32/lang $(LANGUAGE)
16.48.14 #       <edx> LANGUAGE = english
16.48.22 #       <edx> is that ok?
16.48.51 #       <Bagder> no
16.49.00 #       <edx> good. then what's wrong
16.49.11 #       <Bagder> it's supposed to be the language file, not the language name
16.49.17 #       <edx> oohhh...
16.49.55 #       <edx> ../apps/lang/$(LANGUAGE).lang
16.49.57 #       <edx> that would be?
16.50.24 #       <Bagder> if you check the other sim Makefiles, you see that we 'uplang' first on the selected language
16.50.32 #       <Bagder> and then we genlang on that generated file
16.50.37 #       <edx> ahh
16.50.49 #       <Bagder> but you don't actually need to do that if you don't want to
16.51.06 #       <Bagder> that way, we can build any-language files fine, always having all strings included
16.51.18 #       <Bagder> using english ones for the untranslated
16.52.56 #       <edx> what do those do? $< > $@
16.53.15 #       <Bagder> $< is the file to the right of the : on the line above
16.53.21 #       <Bagder> $@ is the file to the left of the :
16.54.16 #       * edx tests
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16.54.37 #       <Bagder> you'll become a makefile guru any day now ;-)
16.57.08 #       <edx> haha... it works.
16.57.21 #       <Bagder> you rule
16.57.26 #       <edx> yes indeed.. especially things concerining differens between microsoft nmake and linux makes ;)
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16.57.47 #       <edx> ok.. one thing left
16.57.50 #       <edx> NMAKE : fatal error U1073: don't know how to make '../../firmware/chartables.obj
16.57.54 #       <edx> does that still exist?
16.57.57 #       <edx> no, does it?
16.57.59 #       <Bagder> no
16.58.27 #       * edx hopes..
16.59.57 #       <edx> yay!!
17.00.33 #       * edx wonders where the executable has gone
17.00.46 #       <Bagder> haha
17.05.01 #       <Bagder> time to do the dishes
17.11.57 #       <edx> heh... chkdsk repairing my jukebox:
17.11.58 #       <edx> 11377648 KB in 2852 recovered files.
17.15.28 #       <Bagder> gosh
17.17.18 #       <edx> bagder:
17.17.19 #       <edx> _font_get
17.17.22 #       <edx> where's that from?
17.17.32 #       <edx> *the only thing that's missing now :)*
17.17.38 #       <Bagder> firmware/font.c
17.17.49 #       <edx> thanks
17.19.26 #       <edx> font.obj : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol _sysfont <-- where's that from?
17.19.39 #       <Bagder> ah
17.19.59 #       <Bagder> 	$(TOOLSDIR)/convbdf -c -o $(OBJDIR)/sysfont.c $<
17.20.07 #       <Bagder> 	$(CC) $(APPCFLAGS) -c $(OBJDIR)/sysfont.c -o $@
17.20.18 #       <edx> ohoho...
17.20.27 #       <edx> ok
17.20.29 #       <Bagder> iow, convbdf generates that c file
17.21.43 #       <edx> what is $< in that case?
17.22.02 #       <Bagder> $(FIRMWAREDIR)/fonts/clR6x8.bdf
17.23.03 #       <edx> always?
17.23.09 #       <edx> you can specify, right?
17.23.23 #       <Bagder> that's the built-in font
17.23.27 #       <edx> k
17.23.33 #       <edx> ill have a variable for it
17.24.10 #       <edx> there's a chance it might work now..
17.24.19 #       * Bagder holds his breath
17.24.59 #       * edx too
17.25.23 #       <edx> argh
17.25.24 #       <edx> whats that
17.26.16 #       <edx> it wont execute the exe because its in the tools dir and it needs to change dir (?!) very strange
17.26.53 #       <edx> got it
17.27.10 #       * edx holds his breath again
17.28.14 #       <edx> grmbl.. still a few undefined symbols.. just a matter of time i guess..
17.28.44 #       <Bagder> what symbols this time?
17.29.57 #       <edx> wait.. lcd_roll
17.30.22 #       <Bagder> firmware/drivers/lcd-recorder.c
17.31.34 #       <edx> ah right.. you splitted the lcd code
17.31.41 #       <Bagder> yep
17.31.43 #       <edx> lcd_player is the other one?
17.32.38 #       <Bagder> lcd-player.c yes
17.32.45 #       <edx> yea.. mistyped
17.32.45 #       <edx> ok
17.33.33 #       <edx> oh.. and that one:
17.33.33 #       <edx> _mas_codec_readreg
17.34.44 #       <Bagder> you need that?
17.34.49 #       <Bagder> that must be wrong
17.34.59 #       <edx> i guess not - i link oscillograph with it - thats propably wrong
17.35.12 #       <edx> whats an expression exclude a filename from a variable in a makefile?
17.35.58 #       <edx> hmm nm
17.36.23 #       <edx> thats a bit stupid.. it worked before by passig *.* to the compiler and now i need to exclude the oszillosgraph thing
17.36.29 #       <edx> *oscillograph.c
17.37.03 #       <Bagder> you could perhaps make that use a #ifndef SIMULATOR
17.37.27 #       <edx> hmm am I allowed to? ;)
17.38.08 #       <Bagder> I think so, if the alternative is much more work for you
17.38.17 #       <edx> it certainly is.
17.38.27 #       <edx> also, if other files are added my makefiles out-date very fast
17.38.38 #       <Bagder> of course
17.38.53 #       <Bagder> we edit the makefiles very often
17.39.06 #       <Bagder> the problem is that you're the only one editing these makefiles
17.39.17 #       <edx> yup..
17.39.44 #       <edx> i dont find time to get into that very often because it always takes at least 30 mins ;)
17.40.37 #       <Bagder> well, its there so people can fix it themselves if they must have it fixed
17.42.07 #       <edx> Bagder: are the simuator definitions in the lcd-recorder code now?!
17.42.45 #       <Bagder> pretty much as before
17.42.55 #       <edx> lcd-recorder.obj : error LNK2005: _lcd_init already defined in lcd-playersim.obj <--- what is lcd-playersim
17.43.38 #       <Bagder> lcd-playersim.c
17.43.45 #       <edx> argh..
17.43.46 #       <edx> ok
17.43.46 #       <Bagder> in uisim/common/
17.43.49 #       <edx> same problem as before
17.43.54 #       <Bagder> its for building a player simulator
17.43.55 #       <edx> i just compile everything in there.
17.44.03 #       <Bagder> you're too lazy ;-)
17.44.10 #       <edx> that's why im a programmer
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17.49.03 #       * edx bumps his head against the wall
17.49.24 #       <edx> unresolved external symbol _sleep .. now where's that again..
17.50.05 #       <edx> and why doesn't the windows full-text search work.
17.52.56 #       * edx feels like he's missing a big part of code - hum
17.54.09 #       <edx> oh.. got it - i was dealing with .o files while they're .obj in windows
17.55.38 #       <edx> and there.. finally ... uisw32.exe!!
17.55.42 #       * edx jumps..
17.55.47 #       <Bagder> but does it work too? ;-)
17.57.09 #       <edx> bah... i dont believe this
17.57.19 #       <edx> i should go to a doctor
17.57.28 #       <edx> the exe file is not there any more!!
17.57.33 #       * edx is getting crazy
17.57.45 #       <edx> what's the file sleep is defined in?
17.57.49 #       <edx> kernel.c
17.58.03 #       <Bagder> you should provide your own sleep
17.58.43 #       <edx> hm i actually do.. now why isn't that linked
17.58.45 #       <Bagder> the x11 sim has a:
17.58.48 #       <Bagder> #define sleep(x) x11_sleep(x)
17.59.54 #       <edx> yes i defined it.. thats an old function
18.00.01 #       <edx> would never have worked without ;)
18.00.21 #       <edx> %.obj: %.c - does that apply to "*.obj" as well?! - it seems like it doesn't
18.01.32 #       <Bagder> I don't know
18.01.59 #       <edx> ok it doesnt because it wont find *.c
18.02.05 #       <Bagder> does nmake even know that kind of stuff?
18.02.12 #       <edx> yes it does
18.02.13 #       <edx> luckily
18.03.37 #       <Bagder> bbl
18.03.38 #       <edx> aha.. now it works.. - it was indeed that mistake.
18.03.47 #       <Bagder> neato
18.03.49 #       <Bagder> see ya
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18.32.10 #       <edx> where is the browse_root function?
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19.07.46 #       <hardeep> edx: tree.c
19.22.04 #       <adi|home> dude..that cube.c is cool..
19.22.11 #       <adi|home> the key events needs work.. but thats cool :)
19.27.30 #       <edx> yea thats cool
19.34.04 #       <edx> i dont understand this: the simulator includes a file lcd-playersim.c for the player .. BUT: #ifndef HAVE_LCD_BITMAP (for the whole file)??!
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19.59.00 #       <Bagder2> rehi
19.59.32 #       <Bagder2> edx: how's the sim going?
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20.23.20 #       <edx> Bagder! You're back
20.23.23 #       <edx> baad.
20.23.25 #       <edx> all bad.
20.23.27 #       <Bagder2> back I am
20.23.32 #       <edx> well the recorder sim works ok
20.23.34 #       <edx> but the player
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20.23.40 #       <edx> seems like you messed something up:
20.23.45 #       <edx> lcd-playersim.c:
20.23.54 #       <edx> #ifdef HAVE_LCD_BITMAP
20.23.54 #       <edx> ??!!
20.23.59 #       <edx> for the whole file
20.24.03 #       <edx> thant cant be correct
20.24.26 #       <Bagder> works for me
20.24.41 #       <Bagder> the player sim makefile sets that define
20.24.50 #       <edx> ahh
20.24.58 #       <Bagder> I'm not sure why we need an #ifdef there at all though
20.25.06 #       <Bagder> this is Mats Lidell work
20.25.12 #       <edx> i was already wondering why your makefile does not set ARCHOS_PLAYER or something alike
20.25.24 #       <Bagder> now you know
20.25.41 #       <Bagder> the simulator is not a true unit of any kind, that's why it doesn't set them
20.26.18 #       <edx> hmm right now (if i leave that define away) it works for the player.. but somehow it runs very slow (some delay must be somewhere in my code which does not apply for the recorder) and the screen size is too large
20.29.08 #       <edx> but: at least the recorder works perfectly
20.29.15 #       <edx> i looked at the cube thingie as well - nice work
20.29.36 #       <Bagder> yeps
20.29.46 #       <edx> your rockbox bouncer, too ;)
20.30.19 #       <Bagder> I thought about using that as text viewer ;-)
20.30.33 #       <edx> hahah!
20.30.45 #       <edx> the guy who read a book like this first gets a free t-shirt!
20.31.03 #       <Bagder> and a free brain damage! :-P
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20.57.30 #       <edx> bagder, whats the best allocation unit size for formatting a harddisk for rockbox?
20.57.50 #       <Bagder> uuuuh
20.57.52 #       <Bagder> I don't know
20.58.47 #       <Bagder> I'm off
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22.05.56 #       <calpefrosch> hi
22.05.59 #       <calpefrosch> hi edx
22.06.47 #       <rad[clickin]> hi frosch!
22.08.59 #       <rad[clickin]> news: No resistor in my recorder. Short circuit while plugging and unplugging. Sending is possible, the processor has only 2mA drive, but up to 10mA sink. Got PC-Remote working (unidirectional for now, but HW is bidir).
22.09.18 #       <calpefrosch> hi !
22.09.47 #       <calpefrosch> super cool. I like to hear this good news..
22.10.10 #       <calpefrosch> so you sent from the µ-C ?
22.10.44 #       <rad[clickin]> I've made a hw patch to test both, with resistor and without. Used the digital i/o port for that, since i don't use it. You mean from the Archos processor?
22.10.52 #       <calpefrosch> what do you mean with "no resistor" ? Is your archos different from mine ?
22.10.58 #       <rad[clickin]> yep
22.11.12 #       <rad[clickin]> I've got a floating line.
22.11.18 #       <calpefrosch> do you think it will work for me without hw-mod ?
22.11.26 #       <rad[clickin]> And you've got a problem ;)
22.11.56 #       <calpefrosch> you sent some commands to the archos, from where do you sent ?
22.12.44 #       <rad[clickin]> The problem is: with normal headphones your Archos will draw 3mA more than it should. The communication hardware will work.
22.12.55 #       <rad[clickin]> I send from PC.
22.13.25 #       <calpefrosch> so they waste battery power ?
22.14.05 #       <rad[clickin]> If you look at the source, you see that the original remote seems to send out multiple characters. Instead of a checksum. Yes, the resistor wasts battery.
22.14.17 Nick    rad[clickin] is now known as radhard (~radhard@p508514E7.dip.t-dialin.net)
22.15.37 #       <calpefrosch> okey, I think I'm a little bit behind. I don't know the original remote. What do you send to "Play" ?
22.16.13 #       <radhard> Since i didn't want to write a PC software for testing, i've changed the Archos source. I just press a,b,c,d,e for the functions ;) 
22.16.17 #       <radhard> Lazy as i am.
22.17.04 #       <radhard> But it should work for you, if you send the characters (0xc1 and such) twice.
22.19.55 #       <radhard> I might take a look at the source and tell you, if you need to know the characters. And you have to send them fast (byte at byte) since there is a timeout, i think. We also have another problem: We MUST not send push pull, so we can't use the integrated functionality of the SH.
22.23.27 #       <radhard> frosch: sudden death?
22.24.17 #       <calpefrosch> sorry, I was away for a wile.
22.25.25 #       <calpefrosch> you mean we have to modify the hw ? 
22.26.08 #       <radhard> I've had a look at the original remote PCB. The definitively use too many parts ;). No, we don't have to modify, just i had to, so that i can test every configuration.
22.26.34 #       <radhard> But there are many things we can't do.
22.27.39 #       <calpefrosch> hmm, that sounds not so good. 
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22.28.48 #       <calpefrosch> I have another Projekt in parallel and don't have so much time. But I'll try it this week to send the command twice
22.29.12 #       <radhard> We can't do simple "set port to output and clock out data" transmission, since a suddenly disconnected remote could result in a short circuit between comm and ground.  That'll destroy the processsor.
22.30.16 #       <radhard> Neither I have, but i think i can manage it to write a test program for windows. At least for simulating the original remote, send predefined streams and show received characters.
22.33.41 #       <radhard> Do you develop on Win or Linux?
22.38.30 #       <calpefrosch> Win
22.38.42 #       <calpefrosch> but also Linux 
22.39.03 #       <radhard> Sp maybe you can the program. I'll tell you when it's ready. 
22.39.22 #       <radhard> So... can use....
22.40.26 #       <radhard> Ok, I think that it for now. I'll write the new stuff in the news next week.
22.40.35 #       <calpefrosch> yes, that would be nice. I have to go now, but I will be in the office tommorow.
22.41.01 #       <radhard> I'm off too. Just waited for your apperance... ;)
22.41.47 #       <radhard> Bye!
22.41.56 #       <radhard> @all
22.42.32 #       <calpefrosch> bye
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