--- Log for 17.10.102 Server: brunner.openprojects.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16p1 Started: 6 days and 11 hours ago 00.05.14 Nick _seb_ is now known as seb-away (user@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 00.08.57 Join radhard [0] (~radhard@pD95116E0.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.10.23 # Hi there! I hope everybody had a nice evening! I need a short hint: Does somebody know, how general USB detection works while in demos? Should be a system call or something like... 00.11.52 Quit Hadaka (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.17.11 Quit edx () 00.17.28 # It's getting a bit cold in here ;) 00.17.29 # * radhard calls into the dungeon: "Hello?" 00.18.11 Join Jet8810 [0] (~Joshua@adsl-155-92-91.mia.bellsouth.net) 00.18.18 # hey guys 00.18.41 # I have a question for you 00.18.43 # anybody alive? 00.19.05 # Hi! Yes, at least one. 00.19.23 # alright 00.19.39 # I just got the archos recorder (studio 20 broke and have best buy warrantee, they happened to have recorder in stock!) 00.19.46 # and...I want to auto load a certain font upon startup 00.19.52 # online it says to put it in the .rockbox folder 00.20.14 # but win2k wont let me make a .rockbox (DOT rockbox) folder...says I need a file name and just plain rockbox wont make it auto load 00.20.16 # what am I missing? 00.20.30 # mom, have to read that first ;) 00.21.07 # Jet8810: do it in a command prompt like the docs say 00.21.08 # Why not. I have W2k here, i'll try. 00.21.18 # heh psyco...no other way? 00.21.29 # why would you need another way? thats the way to do it 00.21.38 # If that ain't easy...! 00.21.43 # hehe 00.21.48 # alright thanks 00.22.03 # run/cmd, cd k:\ or whatever, md .rockbox 00.22.36 # Worked out? 00.22.44 # hmm 00.23.07 # how do I get to command prompt? start, run, /cmd? 00.23.10 # because that aint working :( 00.23.11 Nick seb-away is now known as _seb_ (user@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 00.23.35 # (i used 98 up to last week so I am kind of clueless as to the ways of 2k) 00.23.36 # You type much faster that you make directories.. ;) Sprry. Yes. Start/Run type "cmd" enter 00.24.18 # alright 00.24.20 # seems to have worked 00.24.38 # but 00.24.41 # doesnt show up in explorer 00.24.44 # You should get a command prompt window. type the archos driveletter "cd x:\" 00.24.52 # yea i did that 00.24.58 # then md .rockbox 00.24.59 # did that 00.25.02 # then brought back up C: 00.25.21 # wtf... 00.25.29 # w/e 00.25.29 # i got it 00.25.34 # Ok. With dir you can see your rockbox root directory? It should stay on your RB drive. 00.26.07 # yea 00.26.24 # When in rb /root, type "md .rockbox". Enter. That's it! 00.26.25 # for some reason even after typing cd h: it showed H and went righ tback to c before allowing me to type md .rockbox 00.26.34 # so I just made it in C: and copied it over 00.26.42 # Just try md h:\.rockbox 00.26.53 # whatever I have it 00.27.01 # made it in c drive and cut and pasted :) 00.27.20 # Good, congratulations! Have fun...! 00.27.45 # hehe 00.27.47 # wait, not over :) 00.27.54 # now .rockbox doesnt show up on the recorder 00.28.03 # Hmmm, weird. 00.28.16 # nm 00.28.18 # show all files now it does 00.28.30 # You see rb drive in explorer? Ok. 00.28.55 # awesome 00.29.01 # Works? 00.29.03 # recorder seems far superior to the studio 00.29.09 # and I got a $50 rebate hehe :) 00.29.30 # so my archos stuido broke, took it in with best buy warrantee, luckily they had a used recorder there (working fine so far crossing fingers) and they gave me the $50 rebatre :) 00.29.48 # That's cool! Rcorder is much more fun, 'cause it has pixel display. 00.30.19 # yea 00.30.24 # AUTOVOLUME? 00.30.25 # how does it work? 00.30.36 # Sorry, not my option ;) 00.30.37 # does it read my mind? :-P 00.30.58 # Sounds like a dynamic compressor, when i turn it on. 00.31.25 # It makes soft parts louder and very loud parts softer. 00.31.45 # oh and btw, a question which I have been wondering for awhile...is 5 seconds a safe spindown?? 00.32.00 # Try 30 or more seconds, that's better. 00.32.36 # It is only while user action, hd is immediately shut down after refilling the buffer when playing. 00.32.57 # alright 00.33.09 # It's very annoying, if hd always spins down while in the menues... 00.33.11 # what is the danger at leaving it at 5 seconds and what difference will it make if I change it to 30 +" 00.33.32 # i remember reading that less shock proof and the like 00.33.50 # It makes no difference, except easier browsing. Because that's what it's for. It is not used while playing. 00.34.31 # so its faster? 00.34.32 # No. HD spins down after the buffer is full. 00.34.42 Join Hadaka_ [0] (naked@213.243.183.115) 00.34.48 # oh 00.34.49 # thans 00.34.49 # Yeah, browsing is faster. 00.34.51 Nick Hadaka_ is now known as Hadaka (naked@213.243.183.115) 00.35.26 # god rockbox is AWESOME 00.36.24 # Ok, I'll disassemble a friends recorder. Already got my white coat on and a scapell in my hand. Let's see what is in it.. ;) 00.36.40 Nick radhard is now known as rad[dissecting] (~radhard@pD95116E0.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.36.47 # hehe 00.36.59 # damn, my pc hard drive is only 20 gb hehe 00.38.17 # Hmm, that's bad when your recorder also is 20GB. Hint: Don't use it as a windows bootdrive, you might want to hear some music and that won't work with USB attached ;) 00.38.54 # hehe 00.39.14 # well I have an 80gb drive that I use as a backup because it REFUSES to work a smaster 00.39.16 # tried everything 00.39.46 # Ok, have to do surgery now, he want's to have it back tomorrow.... That should be ok. Maybe Board/bios issue. 00.41.54 # I've bought a new Bios, then it worked. 00.43.36 # does the recorder stop charger batts when they are charged unlike the studios? 00.46.13 # Good q. I think yes. 00.50.10 # hmm 00.50.14 # ill ask mailing list to make sure 00.51.35 Join datazone-work [0] (~datazone@chaos.iadfw.net) 00.56.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.58.41 # yeah recorders have intelligent charging code, since they're charging is software-controlled 00.58.54 # players (studio's included) are mostly hardware-controlled charging 01.14.28 Nick _seb_ is now known as seb-away (user@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 02.07.17 Nick rad[dissecting] is now known as rad[assembling] (~radhard@pD95116E0.dip.t-dialin.net) 02.15.11 Join TotMacher [0] (tot@p508DB20A.dip.t-dialin.net) 02.18.34 # So, I'm almost ready with reassembling. Dos anybody know, how to detect USB insertion while playing a demo? 02.27.00 Quit Jet8810 ("Client Exiting") 02.27.26 # Ok, see ya! Good night! 02.27.44 Join mecraw [0] (~mecraw@dnvr-dsl-gw34-poola245.DNVR.USWEST.NET) 02.33.01 Quit rad[assembling] () 02.56.09 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.04.53 Nick seb-away is now known as _seb_ (user@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 03.08.30 Quit TotMacher () 03.32.45 Join Jet8810 [0] (~Joshua@adsl-155-92-91.mia.bellsouth.net) 03.51.09 Quit datazone-work ("I like core dumps") 04.35.48 Join mj_home [0] (~mjamil@adsl-67-119-195-217.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) 04.36.28 # Hello 04.36.36 # Is anybody there? 04.52.05 # yup.. 04.52.07 # whats up? 04.53.05 # Hello! 04.53.16 # adiamas: I have some really weird mounting issues. 04.53.26 # I managed to mount my Archos using: 04.53.39 # mount -t vfat -o umask=0 /dev/sda1 /mnt/archos 04.53.59 # But, even though I'm doing this all as root, I get read-only errors. 04.54.23 # do you have your archos listing in you fstab/ 04.54.25 # ? 04.54.40 # It seems to have allowed me to write the Rockbox stuff, but it only allows one write: I now can no longer delete any of the files I put there. 04.54.44 # adiamas: Yes. 04.54.45 # cause that will make your life easier... 04.54.58 # then you should just be able to do "mount /dev/sda1" 04.55.07 # and it will take care of itself... 04.55.10 # adiamas: I did the manual mount because the /etc/fstab entry was also having issues. Here it is: 04.55.21 # /dev/sda1 /mnt/archos vfat umask=0 0 0 04.55.28 # k... 04.55.31 # what is the error you get? 04.55.36 # And I mount with: "mount /mnt/archos" 04.55.38 # In that case 04.55.43 # Here you go: 04.56.13 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.56.21 # [root@laptop archos]# rm -rf .rockbox/ 04.56.21 # rm: cannot remove `.rockbox//dansk.lng': Read-only file system 04.56.21 # rm: cannot remove `.rockbox//deutsch.lng': Read-only file system 04.56.21 DBUG Enqueued KICK mj_home 04.56.21 # rm: cannot remove `.rockbox//english.lng': Read-only file system 04.56.21 # rm 04.56.24 # And so on 04.56.29 # Also, now I can't remount it. 04.56.31 # I get: 04.56.48 # [root@laptop root]# mount -t vfat -o umask=0 /dev/sda1 /mnt/archos 04.56.48 # mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1, 04.56.48 # or too many mounted file systems 04.56.48 *** Alert Mode level 1 04.56.48 # [ 04.57.03 # Both ways: i.e., if I try manually or through /etc/fstab 04.57.20 # I don't know what I'm doing wrong. 04.57.41 # I'd love to be able to write to the Archos through Linux. 04.57.54 # But this seems to be frustrating my efforts. 04.58.01 # ahh okay 04.58.03 # ive had that 04.58.08 # adiamas: Ideas? 04.58.11 # the usb driver is known to be buggy 04.58.12 # nods 04.58.14 # reboot :) 04.58.18 # adiamas: Apart from rebooting 04.58.20 # adiamas: Ah 04.58.21 # its the only way around it i could ever find 04.58.24 # adiamas: ok! 04.58.33 # adiamas: So... 04.58.35 # if you figure something else out.. PLEASE let me know :) 04.59.08 # adiamas: You think my ro stuff is bc of the buggy driver. Or am I doing something wrong? Does your /etc/fstab line look like mine? 05.02.14 # yup.. looks the same 05.02.21 # and your getting the same issue i have had.. 05.02.24 # i don't think its you 05.02.33 # gotta run for a bit.. ill be back 05.06.49 *** Alert Mode OFF 05.09.17 Quit Jet8810 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.09.25 Join Jet8810 [0] (~Joshua@adsl-155-92-91.mia.bellsouth.net) 05.15.04 Quit mj_home (Remote closed the connection) 05.24.25 Join elinenbe2 [0] (trilluser@user-0cces0l.cable.mindspring.com) 05.24.32 Nick elinenbe2 is now known as elinenbe|sleep (trilluser@user-0cces0l.cable.mindspring.com) 05.53.35 Join s [0] (user@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 05.53.59 Quit _seb_ (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: s!user@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net))) 05.54.02 Nick s is now known as _seb_ (user@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 06.05.08 Join merwin [0] (~none@12.242.185.10) 06.05.17 # yo 06.48.55 Nick _seb_ is now known as seb-sleep (user@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 06.56.14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.07.11 Quit elinenbe|sleep (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.31.31 Quit Synthe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.31.32 Join Synthe` [0] (Synthe@galt.synthe.net) 07.48.01 Join Bagder [241] (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) 07.56.34 Join edx [0] (~edx@pD9EAA2F4.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.04.36 # hi edx 08.16.45 # godd morning 08.21.42 Quit merwin () 08.38.07 Nick Synthe` is now known as Synthe (Synthe@galt.synthe.net) 08.47.43 Quit edx () 08.47.43 # anyone want to learn an expensive lesson cheaply? 08.47.51 # heh 08.48.14 # it sounds sorta painful 08.48.24 # okay.. when your rearview mirror in your car falls off.. 08.48.29 # and you go to remount it... 08.48.48 # pay VERY close attention... 08.48.53 # because *coughs* 08.49.12 # cementing the mounting bracket upside down open a whole new can of worms... 08.55.49 Join Zagor [242] (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 08.56.10 # morning bro 08.56.15 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.02.57 Join bobTHC [0] (~bobTHC@AMarseille-206-2-1-9.abo.wanadoo.fr) 09.03.04 # hi all!!! 09.03.08 # hi 09.03.09 # hey bob 10.02.20 # interesting. archos claims they turn off the charger on players when the batteries are full 10.02.40 # yeps, I noticed 10.12.14 # no roadmap for the 1.5 ? just for 2.0? 10.12.30 # the recording release will be 2.0 10.12.32 # there's no plans for any 1.5 ;-) 10.12.42 # hehe... 10.14.56 # the unified firmware for all player is a good thing! 10.15.04 # yup 10.15.33 # u see the sf.net stat for rockbox? 10.16.27 # 106k visitor this month 10.16.54 # whoa 10.17.02 # really? 10.17.47 # thttp://sourceforge.net/project/stats/index.php?report=months&group_id=44306 10.17.48 # yikes, why is everybody looking at that page :-) 10.18.12 # that page? 10.18.15 # 106812 page views, 31 downloads. hmm... 10.18.19 # the sf page 10.18.27 # no, its the rockbox site 10.18.33 # the logo display counts 10.18.41 # aaah! now I get it. 10.19.16 # rank 85 10.19.18 # not bad 10.19.19 # more details here: http://rockbox.haxx.se/statistics/ 10.20.19 # french are more than swedish hehe....!!! 10.20.29 # hehe 10.21.06 # the manual is not very popular :) 10.21.15 # ah there 10.21.21 # mistake 10.22.11 # search for anything remotely mp3 related on google and you hit rockbox :-) 10.22.22 # i tried "rip lame nogap" 10.22.36 # rockbox #5 10.23.34 # i understand why u add the "Bandwidth and server sponsored by contactor" 10.23.34 # :) 3.40 GB 10.23.34 # of traffic is really heavy 10.24.20 # that's since october 1st, right? 10.24.24 # it's not so bad. 200-300 MB/day. the web site is pretty light-weight. 10.24.46 # Bagder: right 10.24.58 # the curl site served 430MB/day last week 10.25.37 # thursdays are our slowest day, for some reason :-) 10.26.18 # fortunatly is lightweight ... 10.27.02 # we had half a million hit on the site in september. that's pretty much. 10.27.14 # statistics is fun 10.27.15 # what type of connection contactor own? 10.27.21 # 2Mbit 10.27.27 # nothing fancy 10.27.57 # Hi to all 10.28.03 # hi mem 10.28.15 # bostream ADsl.... 10.30.00 # bobTHC: bostream is our home connections 10.30.29 # i hope so :) 10.30.34 Join vekar_ [0] (~Vincent@ppp-isdn-840.ath.forthnet.gr) 10.30.51 # im curious.. the hours... 10.30.55 # is that GMT 10.30.57 # or what? 10.31.14 # adiamas: local time (CET) i think 10.31.25 # wps question about conditionals and %pn (maybe for adiamas?) 10.31.31 # if you are referring to the statistics 10.31.31 # %?pn<%pn|Playlist>: %pp/%pe 10.31.56 # does ?pn test for blankness, or 'defined'? 10.32.26 # when I play a directory, I get blank instead of the fallback 'Playlist'. wondering why... 10.33.11 # (i.e., i'm not playing a particular playlist, so ther's no name for %pn to hold) 10.33.36 # good question 10.33.43 # shoot. 10.34.03 # what i did was this... 10.34.12 # if you are not playing a playlist, there is no playlist name to list 10.34.15 # so i don't list it 10.34.28 # so %pn outputs blank, that's fine. 10.34.30 # because dir/path names are already account for.. 10.34.32 # nods 10.34.33 # exactly 10.34.37 # but why does the wps test fail? 10.34.58 # hmm... dunno.. 10.35.03 # that's the question 10.35.14 # conditionals on blanks work in other cases (id3 tags, e.g.) 10.35.19 # i didn't thin of it to be honest... 10.35.40 # adiamas, nothing for you to think about. %pn being blank is logical 10.35.58 # nods 10.36.06 # but the conditional should work.. gonna look into it 10.36.11 # i just can't figure why my line above would ever produce blank 10.36.15 # adiamas: bug: if no playlist, you should return NULL. not a zero string. 10.36.19 # Zagor: In the FAQ (no 50) it states that the bitrates handled by the encoder is 32k-192k. I have a 16kbps mp3 that works fine on my Recorder 10.36.24 # ahhh.. thats why 10.36.31 # i was returning a Zero string.. right.. 10.36.33 # mem: encoder, not decoder 10.36.37 # ok 10.36.52 # Zagor: You're right... 10.36.58 # adiamas, should i file that, or you have it? 10.37.05 # Zagor you saw the new sokoban_levels.txt file right? 10.37.12 # im getting right no.. no need to file 10.37.12 # adiamas: yup, looks good 10.37.22 # thx 10.37.25 # k.. then if thats acceptable.. ill work on the actual code 10.37.32 # np vekar_ thanks for catching it :) 10.37.36 # adiamas: do so 10.38.11 # Zagor: So what's the spec for the decoder? 10.38.33 # mem: 16-320, i think. checking... 10.38.35 # which makes more sense for reading the data file in. parsing the whole file and indexing the levels like we do a playlist. Or just parsing for a level as we need it? 10.39.00 # adiamas: #2, imho 10.39.53 # k. 10.39.58 # then thats the way we go :) 10.40.34 # mem: 8-384 kbit, 8-48 kHz 10.41.22 # for VBR file created with stock firmware u think it's not possible to add the Toc directly with rockbox? 10.41.37 # bobTHC: when we have file writes, we can 10.41.43 # but it'll be painfully slow 10.41.56 # Zagor: Quite a large range, I would say. So it wasn't anything special with my 16k-file then :-) 10.42.07 # mem: nope 10.42.14 # badger : how long? 10.42.33 # bobTHC: I don't know, but the entire mp3 will have to be scanned and rewritten 10.42.41 # bobTHC: 2 seconds per megabyte, at least 10.42.53 # xwing is better ;) 10.43.28 # and u think with our firmware will be create the toc? 10.43.36 # yes it will 10.43.55 # using XING 10.44.28 # yep 10.44.52 Join calpef[away] [0] (~calpefros@30.ip-net01.empolis.com) 10.51.35 # instead of rewriting the mp3 one could try to prefix it with a single sector or such a thing 10.51.40 Join TotMacher [0] (tot@p508D8F33.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.51.41 # anyone have a problem if i change the order of questions in the config script? 10.51.47 # if you say you want a sim 10.51.59 # it would be nice to answer which one next instead of which lang then which sim 10.53.12 # fine with me 10.53.29 # k 10.53.42 Quit vekar_ ("Suckers!") 10.55.13 # "The server on which Microsoft makes its beta programs available for testing has been infiltrated by outsiders. MS security flack Rick Miller claims the issue leading to the compromise has been fixed, but would not give any indication of its nature." 10.55.19 # cute 10.55.30 # lol 10.56.16 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.04.42 # Zagor: if I upload fonts to the fonts/ dir, do they get converted automaticly or so? 11.05.10 # yes 11.05.26 # I'm gonna put the new hebrew ones up there 11.05.34 # good 11.06.38 # know what whould be nice for the next version of the config file ;) 11.06.45 # first question being what language 11.06.52 # and their being translations for the following questions :) 11.07.10 # hehehe 11.07.18 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 11.07.18 # * Zagor slaps adiamas 11.07.42 # whats so wrong with that idea? 11.07.53 # it's only for developers 11.07.56 # ive installed german software where i didn't know wtf i was doing till it asked me the language :) 11.08.19 # we don't need to cuddle developers! ;-) 11.08.27 # * adiamas sniffles 11.08.33 # no one ever wants to cuddle with me... 11.08.40 # * adiamas feels so used 11.09.02 # hey, I'm awaiting that file still 11.09.05 # :-) 11.09.49 # nods 11.09.54 # yeah yeah yeah :) 11.11.42 # damn.. that german mp3 player plays: MP3/WMA/AAC/WAV 11.28.23 # lots of players d 11.28.24 # do 11.28.38 # yeah but this one sounds just like archos 11.30.03 # lots of players sound like it :-) it's the details that bring the archos to the head of the pack: the firmware upgrade, usb2.0, replacable upgradable standard batteries etc. 11.30.28 Join Bagder_ [241] (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) 11.30.43 # heck, had to press my reset button! 11.30.49 # shh.. hes back 11.31.03 Nick mem is now known as mem_lunch (~mem@host38-2.bluelabs.se) 11.31.14 # Bagder_: yikes! played with usb again? ;) 11.31.29 # no, with my framebuffer 11.31.46 # ah 11.32.00 # I "got stuck" on a virtual screen and couldn't shift back to X 11.32.10 # heheh ive had that 11.34.47 # okay.. %pn now allows for the conditional check 11.38.36 # i think best *.wps will be aviable on the site with screen capture can be a good thing .... isn't it ? 11.38.55 # yup 11.39.57 # Zagor: you don't think a company who's got the recorder MAS's SDK could make it play wma or aac? 11.40.05 # i doubt it 11.40.11 # the dsp is so small 11.44.31 Quit Bagder (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.44.39 Nick Bagder_ is now known as Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) 11.48.29 # new faq question. 11.48.58 # What is bleeding edge/daily build? 11.50.26 # the bleeding edge ones are in the bottom 11.50.39 # they're not named like that 11.50.40 # hehe i know that silly 11.50.47 # that is the new faq question 11.50.49 # ok 11.50.51 # a better question is "what are all these versions", i think. then you describe the official release, the daily build and the bleeding. and the difference. 11.50.54 # that header could be renamed 11.51.15 # instead of "CVS builds" it could say "bleeding edge" 11.51.18 # ahh.. good point Zagor 11.51.22 # Bagder: right 11.51.50 # only two more lines left in the compile table until it'll go narrow 11.52.00 # renamed 11.52.25 # Q64: What are all these versions that Rockbox seems to have? 11.52.29 # that acceptable? 11.52.43 # or should i say 'release versions' 11.53.11 # no, the first version is ok. "release" is one of the versions :-) 11.53.32 # oh, you can also make a point that each daily build contains everything in the sources up to that particular day 11.53.42 # people have asked about that before 11.54.12 # yes, the answer should explain all the builds. such as why v1.4 does not have all the latest features etc. 11.54.14 # well if we only say versions, im afraid ppl will confuse the daily/bleeding/release with rec/player 11.54.21 # nods 11.54.36 # adiamas: right. well, i'm sure you work it out :-) 11.54.55 # Zagor: you can probably remove the player-old .mod stuff from that page now 11.55.15 # yup, i'll do that 11.55.15 # we have two merged daily-builds already 11.55.43 # fixed 11.56.05 # neato 12.00.05 # who work on the searchengine except linus? 12.00.30 # linus works on the search enging? 12.00.48 # I don't think Linus does that 12.01.21 # he talk with me on that in all case ;) , and he have some idea on it... 12.01.45 # volunteer? 12.01.48 # he talked you about algorithm, yes 12.01.54 # it doesn't mean he works on it 12.02.36 # i'm agree he dont work on it he think on it if u want.. ;) 12.03.42 # any chance we could rename 'Target builds' to 'Daily builds'? 12.04.01 # or can i do it? 12.04.04 # daily target builds perhaps ;-) 12.04.10 # fair enough :) 12.04.15 # "firmware files" sound ok? 12.04.44 # i like bagders better :) 12.04.51 # "Daily Target Builds"? 12.04.57 # well the whole page is called daily builds, so... 12.05.00 # Firmware Files sounds to general 12.05.13 # true... 12.05.25 # bah.. leave it Target Builds 12.05.34 # :-) 12.05.38 # but im putting anchors in so i can http://..../#here to it :) 12.06.21 # ok 12.07.28 # eye goos leap nao 12.16.06 # goose leap ? :-) 12.16.30 # how cna goose leap? 12.16.35 # they have those funny knees 12.17.51 # bbl 12.17.53 Quit Bagder ("http://daniel.haxx.se") 12.19.06 # faq updated 12.21.18 # adiamas: actually, we now accept bug reports for daily build 12.30.16 # in the same place? 12.31.55 # yes 12.32.49 # right.. i said that 12.33.16 # Daily and Bleeding Edge builds are expected to be buggy. 12.33.16 # We ask that you _do not_ submit bug reports for Bleeding Edge versions, 12.33.16 # but would love to hear any reports you may have about Release or Daily 12.33.16 DBUG Enqueued KICK adiamas 12.33.16 # build versions. (see question #62). 12.33.23 # :) 12.34.03 # ah, right. mea culpa. 12.35.12 Quit Jet8810 ("Client Exiting") 12.36.54 Nick mem_lunch is now known as mem (~mem@host38-2.bluelabs.se) 12.56.17 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.57.28 Quit seb-sleep (brunner.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 12.57.28 NSplit brunner.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net 12.57.28 Quit mem (brunner.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 12.57.28 Quit adiamas (brunner.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 12.57.28 Quit norm_ (brunner.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 12.57.28 Quit PsycoXul (brunner.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 12.57.28 Quit Zagor (brunner.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 12.57.28 Quit mecraw12 (brunner.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 12.57.28 Quit Hes (brunner.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 12.57.28 Quit MamaiWK (brunner.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 12.57.28 Quit bobTHC (brunner.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 12.57.28 Quit Synthe (brunner.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 12.57.28 Quit mecraw (brunner.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 12.57.28 Quit Hadaka (brunner.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 12.57.28 Quit datazone (brunner.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 12.57.28 Quit mbr (brunner.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 12.57.28 Quit Schnueff (brunner.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 12.57.58 NHeal brunner.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net 12.57.58 NJoin bobTHC [0] (~bobTHC@AMarseille-206-2-1-9.abo.wanadoo.fr) 12.57.58 NJoin Zagor [242] (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 12.57.58 NJoin Synthe [0] (Synthe@galt.synthe.net) 12.57.58 NJoin seb-sleep [0] (user@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 12.57.58 NJoin mecraw [0] (~mecraw@dnvr-dsl-gw34-poola245.DNVR.USWEST.NET) 12.57.58 NJoin Hadaka [0] (naked@213.243.183.115) 12.57.58 NJoin mem [0] (~mem@host38-2.bluelabs.se) 12.57.58 NJoin MamaiWK [0] (~Mamai@lys.gltrade.fr) 12.57.58 NJoin adiamas [0] (~adiamas@as5300-11.216-194-24-173.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) 12.57.58 NJoin norm_ [0] (~norm@ottawa.linuxcare.com) 12.57.58 NJoin PsycoXul [0] (psyco@adsl-63-205-47-160.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) 12.57.58 NJoin mecraw12 [0] (~mecraw@dnvr-dsl-gw34-poola245.DNVR.USWEST.NET) 12.57.58 NJoin datazone [0] ([hONZ3zdHJ@207.136.36.203) 12.57.58 NJoin Hes [0] (~hessu@hessu.zedi.sonera.fi) 12.57.58 NJoin Schnueff [0] (~mah@goedel.cs.uni-sb.de) 12.57.58 NJoin mbr [0] (~mb@stlx01.stz-softwaretechnik.de) 13.07.06 # Zagor you around? 13.07.15 # can i kill the 'patch' that just came in 13.07.17 # its not a patch 13.34.06 Quit TotMacher () 13.34.20 Join TotMacher [0] (tot@p508D8F33.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.36.17 Join Bagder [241] (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) 13.48.33 Join vekar_ [0] (~Vincent@ppp12-210.ath.forthnet.gr) 13.48.44 Nick vekar_ is now known as kargatron (~Vincent@ppp12-210.ath.forthnet.gr) 13.51.49 # kargatron: i fixed the %pn for ya 13.51.59 # would the dev team find it useful if a list of organized feature requests (say, by more specific functional grouping) were compiled and sent out, for priority-setting purposes? 13.52.19 # i can't help with the code, but could compile that sort of metadata list 13.52.40 # depends on whether the feature request priority list is actually used by team members. :) 13.53.00 # adiamas, thx. (not that the blank was all that confusing, but...) 13.53.40 # the request list atm is pretty hard to parse, and most priorities are at the default 5 13.54.10 # nods 13.54.11 # i was imagining that given better grouping, priorities could be assigned more easily by the team. (and dupes might be sniffed out) 13.54.15 # we do go over it though 13.54.26 # stuff that peaks our interest gets touched/played with... :) 13.54.48 # kargatron: perhaps you could make a first skeleton version to show us what you mean 13.54.50 # yes, i know that is the primary filter. :) 13.56.50 Nick seb-sleep is now known as seb-school (user@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 13.57.07 # well, it would basiclly be to offer subdivisions of, say, Interface Improvements 13.57.35 # group the playlist requests, battery stuff, music-playing (pitch, mp3gain, etc) 13.57.46 # withthe goal that you guys would then be able to more easily prioritize 13.58.07 # otoh, it's not a trivial task, and if the priority-setting doesn't really guide your work, then maybe not worthwhile 13.58.57 # I think the priority settings would guide us if they were used properly 14.00.19 # having them 'used properly' would be the goal, yse 14.00.33 # 90% having priority default 5 doesn't qualify, i'd think. :) 14.01.03 # mind you, i wouldn't set the priorities, just compile a listing to let you do it more easily. 14.01.21 # so the quesiton being, do it, or don't bother? 14.01.58 # I think it would be good 14.02.17 # ok 14.02.22 # i think the main reason we don't change it more is that the SF interface is horrible 14.02.27 # agreed 14.02.40 # another reason i thought of helping in this manner... 14.02.45 # a million mouse-clicks for each item you want to change 14.03.45 # going for another reboot 14.03.46 Quit Bagder ("http://daniel.haxx.se") 14.16.20 Join Bagder [241] (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) 14.26.34 Join alkorr [0] (~alkorr@ASte-Genev-Bois-110-1-1-202.abo.wanadoo.fr) 14.26.34 Quit alkorr (Remote closed the connection) 14.27.06 Join alkorr [0] (~alkorr@ASte-Genev-Bois-110-1-1-202.abo.wanadoo.fr) 14.27.06 Quit alkorr (Remote closed the connection) 14.28.03 Join alkorr [0] (~alkorr@aste-genev-bois-110-1-1-202.abo.wanadoo.fr) 14.28.17 # the ever-bouncing alan! :-) 14.29.26 # :) 14.29.33 # how are you ? 14.29.45 # seems there is a lot of progress 14.30.28 # there is 14.41.15 # no, it just SEEMS so - it's really all chicanery and fakery 14.41.33 # yes, mostly rubbish 14.41.49 # diluted snake oil 14.46.51 # hungarian notation and .NET code 14.48.58 # lots of .net 14.49.11 Nick TotMacher is now known as tot|away (tot@p508D8F33.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.51.24 # what are you talking about ? (hungarian notation and .NET) 14.55.12 # bad jokes 14.56.21 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.03.26 # sent feature request breakdown to rockbox list 15.03.35 # wasn't so bad to make quick pass 15.05.21 Join _Snorlax_ [0] (bluah@h135n1fls34o883.telia.com) 15.05.29 # kargatron: well done 15.05.54 # <_Snorlax_> y0! anybody here who's willing to complie a .tar.gz file for me? 15.06.07 # complie? 15.06.33 # <_Snorlax_> Unpack pcmcia-cs-3.2.?.tar.gz in /usr/src. 15.06.33 # <_Snorlax_> Run ``make config'' in the new pcmcia-cs-3.2.? directory. 15.06.33 # <_Snorlax_> Run ``make all'', then ``make install''. 15.06.33 DBUG Enqueued KICK _Snorlax_ 15.06.33 # <_Snorlax_> Customize the startup script and the option files in /etc/pcmcia for your site, if needed. 15.06.57 # <_Snorlax_> I'm not so good at this.. 15.08.05 # kargatron: I guess a next step would be to add categories to the request tracker so that we can mark them correctly and set a prio at the same time 15.09.31 # _Snorlax_: if you gonna fiddle with those things, that are issues you're gonna have to learn 15.09.38 # sure - but i can't do that. :) 15.10.07 # not until we give you the access, no ;-) 15.10.19 # Zagor: any opinion? 15.10.24 # <_Snorlax_> k, but can't I send over the source and then you compile it..? 15.10.41 # nope, I'm working 15.12.20 # Bagder: go go go 15.13.00 # anyone who wants to help keeping things tidy is welcome 15.13.39 Join elinenbe2 [0] (~elinenbe@user-0cces0l.cable.mindspring.com) 15.13.44 # morning... 15.13.44 # kargatron: excellent work 15.13.49 Nick elinenbe2 is now known as elinenbe (~elinenbe@user-0cces0l.cable.mindspring.com) 15.13.54 # hi elinenbe 15.13.59 # hello 15.14.16 # how's life going? 15.14.33 # not too painful :-) 15.14.55 # that's good. 15.15.21 # <_Snorlax_> anybody how know's which linux raouter/firewall prog to use? 15.16.13 # Zagor: I have a problem with my jukebox. I loaded it up with DivX movies I pirated off the internet, and it REFUSES to play them no matter what button I press 15.16.47 # hee 15.17.03 # crap, my list didn't contain category = None 15.17.05 # _Snorlax_: linux includes routing. for firewall, just use netfilter/iptables 15.17.12 # did realize that was option, and can't choose search on that 15.17.14 # elinenbe: you don't have the right firmware loaded 15.17.29 # <_Snorlax_> yeah but what easy to use, for a windows user? 15.17.46 # _Snorlax_: routing and firewalling is not easy 15.17.57 # <_Snorlax_> plz help me, I've tried clarkconnect(www.clarkconnect.org) 15.18.04 # Snorlax: use windows IP sharing. That is the easiest for windows users 15.18.36 # _Snorlax_: i can recomment the #linuxhelp channel for this kind of questions 15.18.37 # <_Snorlax_> it's suppose to be easy but I can't get it to work with my pcmcia nic's! 15.18.47 # <_Snorlax_> I'm in #linuxhelp.. 15.18.55 # this is #rockbox 15.19.18 # <_Snorlax_> =) 15.19.26 # <_Snorlax_> but u know stuff! 15.19.58 # Zagor: in linux I know it as IP masquerading 15.20.36 # _Snorlax_: go to the store and pend $29 on a firewall/router by linksys otr netgear, etc... 15.20.53 # <_Snorlax_> linux is suppose to be best for routing, with a p100 for example.. 15.21.09 # <_Snorlax_> and 2 nic's 15.21.11 # _Snorlax_: only if you know how to do it 15.21.25 # dedicated hardware is a lot simpler when you don't... 15.21.34 # Zagor: say it like a true man. 15.21.44 # <_Snorlax_> I know, but I'm cheap.. 15.21.55 # _Snorlax_: then read and learn. that's free. 15.22.10 # <_Snorlax_> *HURK* 15.22.16 # _Snorlax _: or read even more and program your own router! 15.23.35 # _Snorlax_: http://www.linuxrouter.org is a start 15.24.40 # <_Snorlax_> k, #linuxhel recommended http://www.fli4l.de/english/e_fli4l.htm 15.25.06 # <_Snorlax_> #linuxhelp 15.25.26 Join matsl [0] (~matsl@dhcp102.contactor.se) 15.25.26 # looks like a good place too 15.25.30 # hey, matsl! 15.26.26 # <_Snorlax_> k, thanks! 15.26.30 # <_Snorlax_> I'll be back! =) 15.29.16 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 15.29.25 # kargatron: I'm adding a few very obvious categories 15.29.25 # woo, LinusN 15.29.41 # hi linus 15.29.42 # Linus da man 15.30.11 # Bagder, ok 15.30.46 # i encourage people to browse the list, tho, see if other cats would be useful, or split out, or conjoined, etc 15.32.42 # cat hunt? 15.33.03 # Zagor: been thinking about what we discussed yesterday. Removing ifdeffs on SIMULATOR. 15.34.23 # any new insights? 15.35.10 # Zagor: No. Just that it is probably a good thing to do now before attemting to fix other problems with the player simulator. 15.35.54 # Zagor: I have a few hours now so I'll look into it if you don't mind. 15.35.59 # well it's not a single fix, it's more of a goal. "keep down the number of #ifdefs" 15.36.05 # go ahead 15.36.21 # where do the sokoban levels need to exists? 15.36.36 # in the .rockbox directory? 15.37.22 # .rockbox/sokoban/levels.txt, i think 15.37.39 # then we can have .rockbox/sokoban/scores.txt later 15.38.04 Nick Zagor is now known as Zagor|out (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 15.38.58 # Hi linus 15.39.16 # could tell me about mask what means 0x202 ? 15.41.15 # Bagder: Q about X11 keys 15.41.33 # try me 15.41.48 # Would case BUTTON_ON | BUTTON_DOWN | BUTTON_REL: work Ok now? 15.41.59 # no 15.42.07 # Aha. Why? 15.42.33 # the simulator doesn't handle multiple keys 15.42.42 # afaik 15.43.43 # ok. 15.43.58 # alkorr: i don't know yet, but the 16-bit word at 0x20000fc seems to be a bit mask that tells things about the hardware 15.45.02 # i want to see if it has a ISD300 15.49.15 Quit mecraw (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.52.09 # alkorr: that may be possible, i haven't examined the database that much yet 15.54.03 # time to go, bye 15.54.05 Quit Bagder ("http://daniel.haxx.se") 15.54.14 # wow! with the sokoban levels in an external file, the firmware drops by about 60k! 15.55.40 # giddyup 16.02.01 Quit _Snorlax_ ("gittar ny!") 16.02.19 # why do i often get double copies from the rockbox-sf list? 16.05.38 # it would be interesting to have a good exam of hardware info to guess the "mask" usage 16.07.23 # alkorr: yup 16.07.32 # i have figured the 0x100 bit out 16.08.04 # it tells if the UAB detect and PR signalss are inverted or not, and it also tells if the ATA address is 0x200 or 0x300 16.08.07 # USB 16.08.28 # the others i don't know 16.10.41 # any sf admins know if the category selector can also include 'None'? 16.10.46 # for example, some units have very dark LCD displays at the default contrast of 32 16.10.57 # 0x200 for ATA 0x200 ? 16.11.04 # alkorr: no 16.11.16 # no 16.11.49 # 0x100 means inverted signals and address 0x200 16.12.00 Join edx [0] (~edx@pd9eab22d.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.12.06 # see one email which contradicts what I think 16.12.16 # ok 16.12.16 # if that bit is 0 then it is 0x300 and non-inverted signals 16.12.20 # hi all 16.12.53 # someone called "chad" here ? 16.13.19 # chad? 16.13.40 # chad@thelockwood.net 16.14.24 # never heard of him 16.14.59 # he has the same hardware info but he doesn't give his model 16.16.24 # where? 16.17.06 # what is your info, alkorr? 16.17.19 # rom:1.25 16.17.26 # mask:0x202 16.17.33 # usb:neg 16.17.37 # ata:3àà 16.17.41 # pr:neg 16.17.50 # Fr.:11,... 16.18.31 # ok, that's an old hardware 16.18.40 # sure 16.18.43 # seems old, but still not 16.18.48 # hmmm 16.19.11 # it is not likely that you have an ISD300 16.19.25 # all other models with similar HW info are old 16.19.39 # the 0x200 still puzzles me 16.19.54 # only newer models have that bit set in my database 16.21.09 # it is why i need to know if Chad has USB 2.0 16.27.55 # LinusN: Do you need more HW info? Can I help you to tell mine? 16.37.01 Quit bobTHC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.37.12 Part elinenbe 16.43.04 # in request tracker, when is something closed? upon official release of the item? 16.43.23 # i.e. what is a Fixed/Open item, vs Fixed/Closed? 16.44.28 Join TotMacher [0] (tot@p508DB2D2.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.44.28 Quit TotMacher (Broken pipe) 16.48.35 # can someone read feature request 581908 16.48.52 # and tell me if it just sounds like he is saying 'i want the player to read my mind and build a playlist for me' 16.49.45 Join TotMacher [0] (tot@p508DB026.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.51.28 # his request = queueing + not-writing-to-disk-but-acting-like-it 16.51.49 # who knows why he doesn't want to save the playlist, but it's obviously a trivial aspect to refuse 16.52.14 # he can write it to CURRENT.m3u or something, with little added trouble 16.53.41 # nods 16.54.01 # anyone know if elinenbe was/is working on the sokoban external levels? 16.54.15 # i was/am starting and dont want to do work if he's already taking it 16.54.35 # dunno 16.54.49 Join Namuch [0] (~Namuch@210.mube.phnx.la6ca01r1.dsl.att.net) 16.55.42 Part Namuch 16.55.55 # mem: gimme da info! 16.56.24 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.57.48 Quit calpef[away] ("Bye bye, cu l8r") 16.57.52 # LinusN: do you know if elinenbe was/is working on the sokoban external levels? 16.57.56 # i don't want to replicate work 16.59.17 Quit tot|away (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.59.56 # adiamas: i dunno 17.12.02 Quit TotMacher () 17.18.32 Join elinenbe [0] (~elinenbe@user-0cces0l.cable.mindspring.com) 17.18.38 # boo! 17.26.28 # elinebe did you start working on the sokoban external levels? 17.27.10 # elinenbe heheh sorry.. typo :) 17.27.57 Quit edx (brunner.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 17.27.57 NSplit brunner.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net 17.27.57 Quit alkorr (brunner.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 17.27.57 Quit elinenbe (brunner.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 17.27.57 Quit seb-school (brunner.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 17.28.26 NHeal brunner.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net 17.28.26 NJoin seb-school [0] (user@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 17.28.26 NJoin alkorr [0] (~alkorr@aste-genev-bois-110-1-1-202.abo.wanadoo.fr) 17.28.26 NJoin edx [0] (~edx@pd9eab22d.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.28.26 NJoin elinenbe [0] (~elinenbe@user-0cces0l.cable.mindspring.com) 17.28.45 # elinenbe did you start working on the sokoban external levels? 17.39.00 # LinusN: I'm been busy for a while, but now can I give you the info. I'm running 1.4 and not todays build 17.42.19 # LinusN: Debug HW-info: ROM 1.28, Mask 0x0302, USB: positive, ATA 0x200, PR: positive, Freq 11.0592MHz 17.46.43 Ctcp Ignored 2 channel CTCP requests in 2 hours and 33 minutes at the last flood 17.46.43 # * mem has to go, see you tomorrow 17.46.47 Nick mem is now known as mem_away (~mem@host38-2.bluelabs.se) 18.02.06 Nick Zagor|out is now known as Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 18.02.26 # kargatron: we close requests on official releases, yes. or when they are invalid. 18.03.08 # about double copies: they aren't really doubles, you get one mail per change 18.04.57 # oh, you mean a double simultaneous change will spit two mails? 18.05.11 # no, that will just be one mail 18.05.29 # hm, then i swear i often see 2 copies come in at once 18.05.45 # ok. i don't get that. 18.05.55 # i wonder if it could be some filter oddity locally... 18.07.43 # Zagor, can 'none' be added to category search? 18.08.01 # would like to categorize the none, but hard to tell without being able to select on it 18.08.25 # it doesn't seem to be possible, no 18.08.42 # darn 18.09.15 # but: you could parse the raw xml data and thus search any way you want 18.09.24 # we do that for the on-site lists 18.10.38 # grab it here: http://rockbox.haxx.se/sf-tracker.xml (870 KB) 18.10.55 # or maybe you're not a perl person? :-) 18.11.34 # np thx 18.11.52 # our perl scripts can be found here: http://rockbox.haxx.se/sf-tracker/ 18.12.31 # (i'm removing the /sf-tracker.xml link) 18.20.28 Join TotMacher [0] (tot@p5084AACC.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.25.03 Join Synthe` [0] (Synthe@galt.synthe.net) 18.27.03 Quit kargatron (brunner.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 18.27.03 NSplit brunner.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net 18.27.03 Quit mbr (brunner.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 18.27.03 Quit Schnueff (brunner.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 18.27.03 Quit Hadaka (brunner.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 18.27.03 Quit datazone (brunner.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 18.27.03 Quit Synthe (brunner.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 18.28.30 Part LinusN 18.29.24 NHeal brunner.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net 18.29.24 NJoin Schnueff [0] (~mah@goedel.cs.uni-sb.de) 18.29.37 Join Hadaka_ [0] (naked@aka.pp.htv.fi) 18.29.45 Nick Hadaka_ is now known as Hadaka (naked@aka.pp.htv.fi) 18.32.40 Quit MamaiWK ("Client Exiting") 18.33.36 # Did you ever think to use you jukebox as a web server, using RS232 ? 18.33.48 # lol 18.34.11 # there is some uIP code which could be port on jukebox :) 18.34.32 # would be fun 18.34.39 # slow as hell, but fun :-) 18.34.59 # telnet, html, xml... 18.35.35 # what a shade we cannot turn USB chip in a network 18.35.49 # yup 18.36.51 # Linus had made some change in serial.c so we can rx/tx on rs232 ? 18.37.05 # or we just can rx ? 18.37.40 # i think we can just rx right now. the serial in gdb/ can tx too. 18.40.29 Join hardeep [0] (hardeeps@208.247.65.237) 18.42.44 Join datazone [0] ([VbdX2iQ70@207.136.36.203) 18.50.01 # I'm encountering skips on several of my higher bitrate mp3s when using the daily build 18.50.16 # I'm suspecting the mpeg changes but I haven't had a chance to investigate 18.51.47 # ohh, bad :-( 18.52.07 # Zagor: what's new about fat32 writing ? 18.52.43 # alkorr: not much, coming along slowly 18.53.23 # what is messy is the longname splitting in the directory entries 18.54.40 # you should concentrate on writing file with short filename, much more easy to do 18.56.01 # no unicode too 18.56.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.57.31 # yup. start simple. 18.59.53 Join O7713 [0] (zodiac@b117193.adsl.hansenet.de) 19.00.16 # hiya all 19.00.45 # hello 19.01.08 # cu 19.01.11 Part alkorr 19.01.22 # anyone have any idea what 1.4 version i need for archos studio 20? 19.01.30 # player 19.01.32 # player-new 19.02.03 # oops damn i guess i cant read :)) 19.02.46 # :-) 19.03.36 # Texas Instruments, please join the 90s! 19.03.57 # it's damn impossible to locate data sheets on their web site 19.07.14 # Well, they are in Texas which just recently got out of the 1800s... =) 19.12.06 # Hrm, last time I checked they weren't too hard to find... 19.12.11 # Zagor: didja try googling? 19.13.10 # norm_: oh yes... I'm looking for the TMS320DSC21. Feel free to help. 19.16.35 # all I get is silly one-page pdfs showing nice cameras built with the chip 19.16.50 # Zagor: what is that chip in? 19.17.24 # the multimedia 19.18.28 # nice :) -- have you figured out how the firmware is even loaded though? 19.18.45 # or the compression/encryption? 19.18.51 # it's not. it's fricking flashed! :-( 19.19.11 # blah, you need to reflash to upgrade? 19.19.16 # yup 19.19.25 # Zagor: how old is that chip? 19.19.25 # ooohhhhh... that is NASTY! 19.19.33 # Looks really new 19.19.45 # norm_: i found press releases about it from 2000 19.19.48 # hiope you don't kill the player. 19.20.08 # elinenbe: yeah, it makes it pretty scary to even think about hacking that one... 19.21.04 # norm_: it's a combined ARM7 CPU and TMS320C5000 DSP 19.21.22 # Mmm... StrongARM 19.21.33 # I found a boatload of stuff searching for TMS320 19.21.59 # wanna hear something wicked about the MM? 19.22.10 # Found a TMS320C5x user's guide on ti.com 19.22.11 # you know how they market is as having 16 MB ram? 19.22.22 # well, that chip has *4 banks* of 16 MB! 19.22.27 # 64MB, baby 19.22.39 # Schveeet! 19.22.54 # norm_: yeah, but I need the exact chip because it has a lot of DSP code built-in 19.23.10 # http://focus.ti.com/docs/apps/catalog/resources/appnoteabstract.jhtml?abstractName=spru056d 19.23.12 # ?? 19.24.03 # norm_: right, that's for the standalone C5000 DSP. I need the DSC21 info. 19.24.42 Nick TotMacher is now known as tot|away (tot@p5084AACC.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.31.09 # Grrr. 19.31.22 # ti.com isn't very helpful, despite their multitude of search pages 19.32.18 # told you so :-) 19.33.07 # The chip inside the MM actually says TMS320DSC21 on it? 19.33.20 # yes 19.33.39 # ©2000 19.34.03 # Hrm. 19.34.19 # You can ask them to send you their books and CDs full of datasheets 19.34.27 # It'll take awhile to ship, though 19.34.37 # When I did it, they sent 'em to me for free. 19.34.42 # yeah, well I'm not that interested. was just curious. then annoyed... 19.39.12 Join will1ams [0] (~silverbox@62.154.167.130) 19.39.28 # hi there! 19.39.43 # hi 19.41.46 # Zagor: are you telling me that the MM actually has 64 megs of RAM? 19.41.51 # i'm from terratec but in love with my archos recorder, because we only have those biiig players and recorders.... 19.42.39 # so, the last one or two month i frequently checked the daily builds and it's amazing 19.42.48 # elinenbe: it looks like it. this is the chip: http://www.issi.com/pdf/42S16400.pdf 19.43.00 # will1ams: glad you like our work :-) 19.43.17 # so, why are they not enabling all 64 megs? 19.43.21 # that seems so odd. 19.43.34 # beats me 19.43.38 # hey, it's really perfect to see that motivated people connected over the net are more productive than the company that is building the device 19.43.55 # Such is the wonder of open source 19.44.11 # i remember how long archos took to get rid of the rewind bug 19.44.32 # Archos can suck a big one. 19.44.37 # at least their software can. 19.44.42 # their hardware is a bit better 19.45.03 # a bit ;-) 19.45.25 # i had to buy it because it was the first palm sized device i can record my dj-sets with 19.45.31 # Anybody here played with the Neo jukeboxes? 19.45.42 # i'm @terratec because im musician and dj 19.46.01 # tried it once at a presentation but i don't have more experiences with it 19.46.06 # will1ams: what do you do there? 19.46.23 # searching information on the pitch-function you've build in 19.46.34 # i scrolled through a few irc logs 19.46.35 # hehe 19.46.41 # and found some information 19.46.59 # don't remember the nick of the one who said he's dj and using it 19.47.24 # are the pitch steps limited by somewhat? 19.47.46 # a the moment it's always a 1% step, right? 19.47.55 # yeah, but that's just our chosen step size 19.48.05 # ok, that's what my question is 19.48.09 # so, i spin records 19.48.20 # ahm, real records, vinyl, remember? 19.48.20 # :) 19.48.27 # it would be nice to have the pitch .1% increments. 19.48.37 # yepp 19.48.42 # 99.9, 99.8, 99.7 and so on... 19.48.51 # we can do it in 1/18000 increments... :-) 19.49.00 # well, that is not necessary 19.49.09 # imagine a technics sl1210 (the typical dj-turntable) with a fader that snaps to 1, 2,3 percents, up to 8 19.49.10 # I wish we could speed up button repeat. 19.49.58 # I would like volume to increase faster, and scrolling through directories to be faster... maybe I will check that out today. 19.50.01 # will1ams: i've never dj'd, so I just threw in that 1% step. would .1% be better? 19.50.25 # Zagor: .1 would be great with "snaps" at the whole percents. 19.50.31 # elinenbe: snaps? 19.50.33 # spoken like a prodigy 19.50.50 # like if you hold it down it goes pretty quickly from 100->101 percent and then it stays at 101 percent for a sec. 19.50.52 # 0.1 would be very good 19.51.17 # 100.1, 100.2, 100.3, 100.4, ... 100.9, 101 (hold for a sec), 101.1 ... 19.51.30 # elin: why that? 19.51.48 # because it takes to many "presses" to get to higher percentages? 19.51.48 # elinenbe: wouldn't that be very annoying if you want to go to, say, 106% directly? 19.51.58 # Zagor: true. 19.52.02 # forget that idea. 19.52.11 # just make the button repeat faster :) 19.52.18 # then tetris will be easier too! :) 19.52.22 # lool 19.52.23 # :) 19.52.35 # zagor: while you are at it, make me some lunch :) 19.52.36 # hehe. a problem is that I think the dir browser can't scroll much faster. 19.52.58 # but we could always do step-wise acceleration, like in ffwd/rew 19.53.30 # i.e after 2sec repeat, double the speed 19.53.38 # well, try and do that. 19.53.38 # that is an option, right 19.53.49 # but for me it's not necessary 19.53.55 # I was trying to do that, but when I made it go faster it would give weird behavior. 19.54.08 # will1ams: what is the normal pitch range you use as a dj? 19.54.11 # like if I heald down for 2 seconds, then let go, it would still scroll for 2 more seconds. 19.54.12 # normally you don't pitch records more than 4-6% when you'Re mixing 19.54.29 # they will sound to funny if you go to far 19.54.46 # right, there are exections like netherlands hardcore and such things :) 19.54.50 # elinenbe: right, that's due to the repeat being faster than the browser can draw. so you fill up the queue more than it can "eat". 19.54.51 # it would go REALLY fast, but it was annoying that it would not stop when I let go of the button. 19.54.52 # but normally.... 19.55.13 # Zagor: it would be nice to max it out. 19.55.22 # elinenbe: i agree. 19.55.32 # so, now the harder questions 19.55.37 Nick matsl is now known as matsl|meeting (~matsl@dhcp102.contactor.se) 19.55.37 # shoot 19.55.41 # Zagor: what about a "smooth" scroll, like in the credits, or in oscilloscope -- that is nice. 19.55.56 # yeah, and 8 times as slow... 19.55.57 # and as shown in oscilloscope it can be done VERY quickly. 19.56.07 # oh, it is 8times as slow? 19.56.14 # zagor: imagine you're mixing records. the left player is to fast. what do you do? you take your fingers and "brake" a bit, or you accelerate the right one a bit 19.56.15 # it seems really fast. 19.56.17 # well it is if you have 8 pixel chars 19.56.27 # we could experiment a little with that 19.56.28 # oh... I see. 19.56.48 # will1ams: ON+PAUSE does that. pause while held down, resume when you release. 19.57.08 # so, with pitchable cd-players for deejays you have to buttons, one to nudge it a little faster, one to make it slower 19.57.17 # zag: yepp, i know that, but you can't speed 19.57.33 Quit O7713 () 19.57.39 # the problem: you only want to change the speed of the record the crowd isn't hearing at the moment 19.57.45 # will1ams: ah. how much would it normally speed? 19.58.11 # will1ams: well, you'll have two archoses of course. and do this adjustment on the one not mixed out to the crowd. 19.58.31 # in most cases you press the button and it affects the pitch for the time you pressed it to on1 or two percent higher 19.58.58 # will1ams: is ON+PAUSE useful at all? 19.59.18 # zag: right on this, but: the one for the crowd is to fast, you can't brake it, you have to speed up the other one 19.59.49 # so, you need both: pause and "go faster" 19.59.50 # fuck 19.59.55 # and now i have to catch my train! 19.59.59 # sorry for that! 20.00.07 Quit hardeep ("[BX] Windows 95, coded entirely by blondes") 20.00.09 # np! 20.00.10 # i will connect from my home or i will be here tomorrow! 20.00.18 # cool, see you then 20.00.25 # perfect 20.00.27 # nice guys here! 20.00.29 Quit will1ams ("Leaving") 20.01.08 # Zagor: I have been a firm supporter of this project from the VERY beginning (LCD blinks!) and I have tried to code some along the way, and I just want to give an honest thanks for all the hard work and shit the main developers have had to deal with with this project. I truly belive that with rockbox on the recorder, there is no better protable mp3 player. Way to go! 20.01.22 # Rockbox is the best! 20.01.28 # elinenbe: thanks! 20.09.14 # tea time! 20.33.03 # doh, i'm silly. the ram chip is of course 64 Mbit, not 64 Mbyte... 20.48.15 Join Danny [0] (~Danny@public1-brmb2-4-cust74.manc.broadband.ntl.com) 20.48.33 # ello! 20.48.45 # I've just put Rockbox on my JB6000.... 20.48.50 # it's quite cool :) :) 20.49.07 # however, I noticed it's *permanently* scrolling the songname/artist... 20.49.29 # I'm sure the original f/w did it just once then stopped, and I wondered what effect this'd have on the batteries.... :-\ 20.52.24 # how sure are you- 20.52.36 # and little to no effect on the batteries, probably 20.54.19 Join chpelle [0] (~chpelle@pd9e30b1c.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.55.29 # ok :) 20.55.52 # on mine, the archos firmware just paused at the beginning before scrolling again, iirc 20.56.16 # been a while since i used that crap though heh 20.56.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.56.31 # maybe mine was the same then, but depending on the power usage, might be an idea to stop it :) 20.56.37 # what kinda power does the screen use anyway? 99% of the time, it's not being looked at, so surely turning it off (like the backlight) would save power? 20.56.49 # The backlight sucks a fair bit of power 20.56.59 # but when it's off? 20.57.03 # does the screen use much? 20.57.12 # If the backlight is off, it won't suck any power 20.57.13 # (the backlight off, playing mp3s...) 20.57.26 # the screen still uses power?? 20.57.34 # turning it off after 20secs would save power? 20.57.34 # heh 20.57.44 # I don't think we can turn the screen itself off 20.57.48 # i implimented a key-combo on my local copy that turns the screen off 20.57.52 # Really 20.57.53 # ? 20.57.55 # Neet 20.57.57 # oooh? 20.57.58 # i haven't noticed any significant change in play time 20.58.04 # hmmm, what language are you doing this in? 20.58.09 # (not that I fiddle with things like that ;)) 20.58.20 # and my changes are a little buggy to have comitted 20.58.20 # C 20.58.31 # never used it :( 20.58.38 # (I'm a web programmer ;)) 20.58.48 # PsycoXul: do you mean blanking the screen or actually shutting it right off? 20.59.06 # I woudln't mind either, just thinking of power while it's not being looked at :) 20.59.07 # norm_: the LCD has a powersave mode 20.59.22 # Ah 20.59.33 # Turns the power inverter off? 21.00.03 # norm_: i turn "powersave mode" on, "oscillator" off, and you're supposed to turn off a couple of other circuits, but i can't get them to turn back on properly so i leave them on as it is 21.00.26 # hi all! i have a question: i own a jukebox studio 20 and tried the new rockbox 1.4, but i can't save the settings! can someone help me?? 21.00.48 # and i've only tried it on my player 21.01.04 # and another question from me... :D 21.01.04 # if I take the %s out of the WPS and the text is too long, do I just see the first bit? 21.01.05 # you can see about the powersave mode in the commandlist of the datasheet which you can get from the rockbox site 21.01.15 # oooh, cool :) 21.01.24 # I must learn C.... ;) 21.01.40 # Danny: yeah, if it doesn't have %s it shouldn't scroll 21.01.53 # so I'd never see the full name? that's no good :( 21.02.07 # chpelle: make sure the disk gets spun up after you set your settings.. 21.02.20 # Danny: why would you want to do that? heh 21.02.32 # It seemed ok today, but I'm just thinking of the drive to work, all day in the office, and the drive back (8:20am-6:30pm) and want to make sure the batteries will last :D 21.02.45 # heh 21.03.02 # it seems to have been ok today though, and it's still going 21.03.04 # well you can bring your adapter and plug it in in the office if you're worried about it 21.03.06 # ah, however.... 21.03.17 # something I kept noticing today.... 21.03.31 # the power level, one bar would be filled (of 3, it's the player) pretty early on in the day 21.03.35 # then later, 2 were!!! 21.03.43 # it doesn't seem to be able to keep track of the battery :-\ 21.03.44 # i used the daily builds before, everything was ok. the disk gets spun up 21.04.03 # (this was the Archos firmware, not sure if Rockbox would fix this....?) 21.04.04 # chpelle: hmm 21.04.32 # psycoxul: yes :-) 21.04.33 # Danny: rockbox does the battery thing a bit differently 21.04.49 # actualy we don't know how much differently exactly, but it does it differently :p 21.04.58 # so it might be fixed now? :) 21.05.28 # well the archos firmware i know doesn't accurately reflect the battery state untill like a minute after you turn it on 21.05.40 # ah, maybe that was it 21.05.45 # and other odd things like that 21.05.55 # i tried older rockbox-releases but it does not save anything 21.06.22 # I just noticed it was up and down between 1 & 2 blocks like a yo-yo when I looked! I was watching the battery, cos I got it yesterday and wanted it to last the 2 drives & the office (it has and still going!) :) 21.06.45 # chpelle: what was the last daily build you used before upgrading to 1.4? there was a point at which the settings version was incremented, which resets the settings to sane values [for the sake of new/removed/changed options] 21.07.10 # let me see 21.07.29 # if you've tried it a few times and it still hasn't saved, thats probably not it though 21.08.24 # was between the 28th nov and 5th oct 21.08.42 # another quick one... does the volume effect battery usage? I have a car kit, but lineout is too quiet (one of those crappy casette things), but headphones with volume on 100% is much better quality....will it make much difference to the batteries? 21.08.46 # i even formatted my harddisk but nothing changed 21.09.26 # Danny: higher volume uses more power in my experience 21.10.51 # PsycoXul: I think it depends on the device 21.11.09 # norm_: well on my studio20... 21.11.19 # i.e. budphones will draw less power than, say, a cassette adapter for a car 21.11.27 # ah 21.11.50 # well with my sony headphones... heh 21.11.57 # EX70? 21.12.10 # mcd-cd280 21.12.18 # er mdr not mcd 21.12.19 # heh 21.13.01 # the car kit (not an Archos one) I've got has an adjustable voltage... would it work with the kit? and is it possible to have it play from that while in the car, and leave the batteries alone? 21.13.15 # where does rockbox saves its settings? on the hd? 21.13.32 # Danny: what do you mean, adjustable voltage? 21.13.46 # Oh, the power supply that you plug into the cig. lighter? 21.13.52 # yup, sorry 21.14.17 # you can chose the voltage, but not sure what the amps have to do with it (never was good with that electricity stuff ;)) 21.14.19 # chpelle: on sector 63 (or was it 64?) of the HD 21.14.25 # chpelle: for players 21.14.39 # chpelle: recorders save to the RTC, and then the same on the HD 21.14.39 # If it puts out 9VDC w/ center-positive polarity, it *should* work 21.15.03 # center-positive? how would I know? 21.15.08 # Zagor: I have an idea for the player simulator. 21.15.10 # There's usually a diagram on it 21.15.15 # ah... so it should work if i "renew" the partition? perhaps there's something wrong?! 21.15.19 # k 21.15.34 # A plus or minus sign pointing to a small dot inside a bigger circle 21.15.50 # chpelle: no idea... i've never had problems with it 21.15.55 # cool :) 21.16.13 # You might even be able to set the polarity, either with a switch or by changing the tip (the part that would plug into the Archos) 21.16.14 # well, thanks for your help, I'll leave you be now, just keep doing what you do ;) 21.16.14 # btw, do you have a mailing list when for when you release updates? 21.16.31 # I've got lots of tips, so I'll take a look later :) 21.16.43 # Right. You can unplug the tip? 21.16.44 # http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/ 21.16.49 # yup 21.16.58 # Zagor: Kjell is contributing now??!?!? 21.17.01 # cheers Pysco 21.17.04 # OK, if you plug the tip in one way, you get center-positive. The other way, you get center-negative 21.17.16 # ah! 21.17.22 # cool :) 21.17.23 # i hope this will work because i want to use rockbox! it's a really great thing!!! 21.17.31 # will this just charge it though, or will it run from the car power and leave the batteries? 21.17.35 # Zagor: has he been feeling left out? 21.17.39 # You want center-positive. The tip should have + on one side, and - on the other. And the part it plugs into should have an arrow with a "tip" lavel on it 21.17.55 # Danny: it just charges the batteries, while the unit still runs off them... 21.17.56 # Make sure the "tip" arrow aligns with the + symbol 21.18.04 # yup, I can manage that :) 21.18.23 # Danny: generaly using it uses a bit more power than the charger provides, so it won't actualy be "charging" just prolonging the charge 21.18.27 # Danny: sorry to be so verbose, but better to give too much info, than not enough 21.18.28 # elinenbe: Nice to have Kjell working but I need to get him in sync with what I'm doing. 21.18.55 # I know, I'm very greatful for all your help :) 21.19.02 Nick matsl|meeting is now known as matsl (~matsl@dhcp102.contactor.se) 21.19.15 # well thanks norm_, PsycoXul.... :-) 21.19.37 # glad to help 21.19.53 Part Danny 21.21.33 # thanks for your help! i'll try some things 21.21.36 Quit chpelle () 21.22.29 Join williams [0] (dsi@ri094.isis.de) 21.22.30 # Zagor: are you there? 21.22.33 # rehi 21.23.06 # zagor still there? 21.25.13 Nick seb-school is now known as _seb_ (user@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 21.25.39 # looks like he is in great demand :) 21.37.29 # bbl cu 21.37.38 Quit matsl ("Client Exiting") 22.01.40 Join Jet8810 [0] (~Joshua@adsl-155-92-91.mia.bellsouth.net) 22.08.30 Join O7713 [0] (zodiac@b117193.adsl.hansenet.de) 22.08.34 # hiya 22.09.29 # my archos makes strange noises during battery loading since the 1.4 upgrade, any ideas? :) 22.12.21 # battery loading? 22.12.52 # ya, battery charging 22.12.59 # sorry for my tarzan english 22.13.01 # :) 22.13.02 # heh 22.13.24 # does it make the noises if you plug the charger in while the unit's turned off? 22.14.06 # yea when i pull the plug (charger) the noise is gone 22.17.32 # well i mean does it only happen when it's actualy turned on, or just always when charging? 22.17.48 # the noises, are they from the headphones, or the archos itself? 22.17.57 # always when charging 22.18.01 # its off atm 22.18.40 # mine makes a sort of buzzing sound on occasion while charging 22.19.12 # i can make it change the way it sounds and get quieter by moving and bending it a bit 22.19.18 # is that what you've got? 22.19.30 # lemme check 22.19.46 # the plug or the player? 22.19.55 # the player 22.20.06 # how can you bend your player`? :) 22.20.15 # just like putting pressure on it 22.20.27 # not much 22.20.31 # just sorta tweaking it about heh 22.20.49 # hmm 22.21.04 # no, it still the same noise 22.21.15 # *shrug* 22.21.23 # anyways, if it happens when it's turned off too 22.21.27 # then it's nothing to do with rockbox 22.21.43 # just a coincidence that it came about when you installed rockbox 22.21.43 # heh 22.21.54 # do i have the wrong charger maybe? what is written on your charger, if i may ask? 22.22.19 # O7713: Are you using the charger that came with the unit? 22.22.37 # im not sure, i guess its the right one, but you never know 22.22.53 # hey 22.22.59 # i have dozens of chargers here 22.23.23 # it says KINGS ELECTRONICS LTD 9v 22.24.12 # High-pitched buzz or low-pitched buzz? 22.24.37 # kinda high pitched 22.25.48 # This is a player, right? I forget, is the screen on or off when it's charging? 22.26.19 # its off it says BATTERY CHARGING 22.26.25 # thats all 22.26.28 # On the screen it says that? 22.26.31 # the player is off 22.26.32 # yea 22.26.45 # OK, could be the power inverter for the screen that's buzzing, then 22.26.55 # It'd be pretty high pitched 22.27.07 # i need a 9 volt charger for it, right? 22.27.19 # It should be 9VDC 22.28.03 # well, it is a 9volt charger 22.29.53 # How many Amps? 22.30.11 # 600 mA 22.30.35 # hiya 22.30.39 # hi 22.31.23 # That's the same as mine. In fact, my unit came with a King's brand charger 22.31.32 # I guess that's the brand they ship 22.31.49 # * norm_ shrugs 22.31.53 # yeah 22.32.05 # Maybe your power inverter is just louder than normal 22.33.03 # hmm, ok im gonna ignore that noise then :) 22.33.04 # thx 22.39.23 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 22.42.06 Part LinusN 22.43.14 Join rad[assembling] [0] (~radhard@pd95116e0.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.43.21 Nick rad[assembling] is now known as radhard (~radhard@pd95116e0.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.44.43 # If anybody from germany is interested in 4pin 3.5mm plugs for remote experimenting: I know where to get them for an affordable price! 22.53.52 # * Zagor is back 22.54.26 # williams: did you have a question? 22.56.29 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.00.09 Quit williams (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.01.54 # guess not :) 23.02.24 # elinenbe: yeah, kjell is working on the player simulator 23.03.55 # someone is back! 23.07.32 Quit edx () 23.09.23 Join Synthe [0] (Synthe@galt.synthe.net) 23.10.07 Quit Jet8810 (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 23.10.20 Quit Synthe` (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 23.11.33 Join Jet8810 [0] (~Joshua@adsl-155-92-91.mia.bellsouth.net) 23.16.20 Quit norm_ ("vacation") 23.43.58 Join langhaarrocker [0] (~Philipp@b49e1.pppool.de) 23.57.50 # Don't we have any repeat masks in button.* any more? 23.58.00 # nope 23.58.22 # Does that mean every button fires repeat events? 23.58.31 # yup 23.58.37 # fine