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03.17.14 #       <merwin-> Woo, there's a tornado warning here :P
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03.18.35 #       <storm_home> Morning/afternoon/evening, all...
03.19.02 #       <merwin-> morning... funny, I was just talking about a tornado warning here in houston, and in walks a storm :)
03.19.24 #       <storm_home> Heh. Better get under some cover.
03.19.38 Ctcp    Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
03.19.38 #       * storm_home grew up in Illinois. 
03.19.41 #       <merwin-> I'm on the 7th floor of a hotel... any chance I'll be safe?
03.19.43 #       <merwin-> *grin*
03.19.48 #       <merwin-> I was just in chicago yesterday
03.20.12 #       <storm_home> merwin-: Probably not. But you get an awesome view of it coming in...
03.20.25 #       <merwin-> yeah, I'm not going anywhere
03.20.26 #       <merwin-> heh
03.21.04 #       <storm_home> Got a RockboX question relating to my posts on the mailing list.
03.21.09 #       <merwin-> okey
03.21.10 #       <merwin-> shoot
03.22.16 #       <storm_home> I'm the one thats getting the wierd problem on my AJB6k with the drive freezing and the red light staying on until I reset it. I defragged the drive (nearly sacrificing a Linux LVM partition in the process) and its still doing it.
03.22.31 #       <storm_home> Could bad/weak batteries cause something along these lines?
03.22.54 #       <merwin-> does it happen when it's plugged in?
03.23.26 #       <storm_home> No. Course I don't play it plugged in much. though I just got a car charger tonight.
03.23.38 #       <merwin-> how old are the batteries?
03.23.45 #       <storm_home> At least a year.
03.24.06 #       <merwin-> you could always try a new set of batteries... under $15 for a 4 pack of decent ones
03.24.21 #       <storm_home> They are the original set, and the coworker I bought it from said it was out of warranty.
03.24.56 #       <storm_home> I got a set a radio shack tonight 1600 or 1800 mAH. They're charging now.
03.25.37 #       <merwin-> If that doesn't work, I'd try it for a while plugged in
03.26.40 #       <storm_home> It generally never does this in the car. With previous versions, it would just skip to the next track. 1.4 it goes into this drive tailspin, though no one can replicate it. Hence the bug assigned to nobody.
03.27.01 #       <storm_home> D'oh. BRB.
03.27.09 #       <merwin-> k
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03.28.38 #       <merwin-> 're here now
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03.53.23 #       <henrysunset> 'ello
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07.37.22 #       <merwin-> dead tonight
07.37.24 #       <merwin-> very dead
07.42.07 #       <adi|home> nah.. just no one likes you... :)
08.03.42 #       <merwin-> ouch
08.03.45 #       <merwin-> man that hurt :)
08.04.13 #       <merwin-> I'm watching an MTV history of nirvana
08.08.50 #       <adi|home> bah.. thats easy
08.08.55 #       <adi|home> "shitty music"
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08.08.58 #       <adi|home> "shitty clothes"
08.09.09 #       <adi|home> "more shitty music"
08.09.13 #       <adi|home> "shitty aim"
08.09.17 #       <adi|home> that just about does it don't it?
08.11.31 #       <dwihno> Who listens to Nirvana when there's Caramell? :)
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08.36.21 #       <mem> hi Bagder
08.36.27 #       <Bagder> morning
08.36.58 #       <mem> I have a question about the daily builds
08.37.06 #       <Bagder> shoot
08.37.34 #       <mem> Does the daily builds from like yesterday or the day before have different language files than V1.4?
08.38.12 #       <mem> I tried the daily build but a lot of the menus got wrong text. When I returned to V1.4 the menus got the right text strings again
08.38.23 #       <Bagder> sounds like a bug somewhere
08.38.50 #       <mem> Then I have to reproduce it to give you some more details
08.39.21 #       <Bagder> I'll check too, I think I know what might be wrong
08.39.48 #       <Bagder> and this happened very recently?
08.40.35 #       <mem> I booted V1.4 and used the RoLo function to load build 20021028
08.40.42 #       <mem> Yes it was yesterday
08.41.35 #       <mem> I can repeat the problem;
08.41.50 #       <mem> I run Swedish lang file
08.43.11 #       <mem> In the sound settings the first entry should be "Volym" and it is that in V1.4 but when an ROLO to 20021028 I get the string "Balans". When I select that entry I'm still changing the volume so it has to be some (language) string handling
08.43.48 #       <Bagder> you know which last daily build that worked?
08.44.18 #       <mem> I get a number of wrong stings, the "Volym" and "Balans" was just one example
08.45.32 #       <mem> It has been some time since I run a daily build. I haven't run any dailys after 1.4 was released.
08.47.16 #       <Bagder> you could always get an updated language file too, to work-around the problem
08.48.25 #       <Bagder> hm, perhaps not
08.48.38 #       <dwihno> Hey hey! :D
08.48.39 #       <mem> I could donwload some old dailys to help you find the day the problem was intoduced. It's not hard to test.
08.48.59 #       <dwihno> Hello hey, what's your name? I need to know! Now I've found you my mysterious boy
08.49.17 #       <Bagder> morning dwihno
08.49.26 #       <dwihno> It's a great morning indeed!
08.49.53 #       <dwihno> I realized my (not-so-optimized-yet) route to work takes approx 7 minutes (compared to the previous 30)
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08.52.27 #       <Bagder> morning Z
08.52.34 #       <Bagder> we have a language mixup somewhere
08.52.40 #       <mem> Bagder: The same problem for 20021024, and I couldn't find any older builds
08.52.45 #       <Zagor> ouch
08.52.47 #       <mem> hi Zagor
08.52.53 #       <Zagor> hi
08.53.04 #       <Bagder> Zagor: if you make a svenska.lng and play it, the strings get wrong
08.53.20 #       <Zagor> ok
08.53.33 #       <dwihno> Doctor Z! :D
08.53.59 #       <mem> Zagor: You know, you have some stupid users running Swedish :-)
08.54.09 #       <Zagor> bah, stop that! ;)
08.54.38 #       <dwihno> All this localization has led to nothing but trouble, if you ask me! :D
08.54.57 #       * mem thinking of using Danish instead :-)
08.55.26 #       <Bagder> hehe, well that would check if that has the same error! ;-)
08.55.49 #       <mem> Bagder: Could you send me or give me access to older builds than 20021024? Then I could find out when the feature was introduced
08.56.36 #       <dwihno> Like the sand through the hourglass, so are the days of our lives!
08.56.37 #       <Bagder> we don't keep them any longer than what is on the site
08.56.58 #       <mem> okay
08.58.26 #       <dwihno> Whoa! HANDBALL ON THE TELLY TONIGHT!
08.58.28 #       <dwihno> Yay!
08.58.32 #       * dwihno gets all excited
08.58.34 #       <mem> Can I "un-play" my Swedish language?
08.59.02 #       <merwin-> adi|home: just got that response about Nirvana.... Personally, I think he was a genious :) Great musician. Everyone's just jealous of him. hehe
08.59.09 #       <Bagder> mem: only by playing another language
08.59.23 #       <merwin-> Bagder: how goes it?
08.59.28 #       <Zagor> reset settings should reset language too
08.59.36 #       <Bagder> ah, true
08.59.39 #       <dwihno> I have a little question for you guys using USB2
08.59.50 #       <Bagder> merwin-: we're keeping busy quite as usual! ;-)
09.00.12 #       <dwihno> I tested my archos @ work on a machine equipped with some adaptec thingy... the computer became really slow! (although the initial file transfers were pretty fast)
09.00.17 #       <mem> Reset sounds better than playing another broken language :-)
09.00.29 #       <Bagder> chicken! 
09.00.31 #       <Bagder> :-P
09.00.36 #       <merwin-> Bagder: you too? My boss has selfishly wanted me to actually WORK all the time lately. geez!
09.00.51 #       <Bagder> sheesh, some people!
09.00.55 #       <dwihno> :-)
09.01.25 #       <Zagor> dwihno: sounds like a dodgy driver
09.03.51 #       <Bagder> sounds like windows! ;-)
09.03.53 #       <dwihno> :-)
09.03.54 #       <dwihno> http://www.dustin.se/Shopping/ProductDetail.asp?PID=5010037698
09.03.54 #       * mem has to have a cup of coffee, to reset my self before resetting the Archos
09.03.59 #       <dwihno> Look at that card. Misa want that!
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09.04.10 #       * dwihno got an external USB2 box for his 3.5" disk too!
09.04.19 #       <dwihno> So now all I need is a USB2 card
09.04.31 #       <dwihno> (which isn't that expensive)
09.05.22 #       <dwihno> I think I'll postpone my furniture plans and buy computer gear instead ;)
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09.06.11 #       <dwihno> http://www.mio.se/produkter/img/0102/178/images/178_60.jpg
09.06.11 #       <dwihno> http://www.mio.se/produkter/img/0102/178/images/178_63.jpg
09.06.11 #       <dwihno> http://www.mio.se/produkter/soffbord/img/40_01.jpg
09.06.15 #       <dwihno> Check those babies out!
09.06.21 #       * dwihno - the URL man
09.07.10 #       <dwihno> Is there any other differences between "regular" PCMCIA and Cardbus cards than the voltage difference and 16/32-bit stuff?
09.08.05 #       <adi|home> Zagor: i noticed that there is no way to return to the default font w/o clearing settings once you load a font...
09.08.10 #       <adi|home> that don't seem right
09.21.02 #       <Bagder> me found language problem
09.21.15 #       <adi|home> whats that?
09.21.21 #       <dwihno> yay for Bagder! yay yay yay!
09.21.29 #       <Bagder> all non-english files went bad
09.22.02 #       <adi|home> ?
09.22.17 #       <Bagder> with english.lang 1.25
09.23.32 #       <adi|home> im still not getting you...
09.23.46 #       <adi|home> only addition was my last addition.. but that was to the end of the file, which shouldn't be a prob
09.23.49 #       <Bagder> if you load a .lng file now, the new strings end up on wrong places
09.24.07 #       <Bagder> the error is slightly obscure
09.24.33 #       <Bagder> but LANG_BACKLIGHT_ON was not a true string until 1.25, before that it was illegally formatted! 
09.24.50 #       <adi|home> ah ha.. so i didn't break it..
09.24.53 #       <adi|home> thats the key thing :)
09.24.58 #       <merwin-> dwihno: cardbus is 32 bit, while pcmcia is 16 bit
09.25.17 #       <Bagder> adi|home: hehe, I honestly don't care that much who did it but how to fix it! ;-)
09.26.56 #       <adi|home> :)
09.27.14 #       <adi|home> well.. is it the LANG_BACKLIGHT_ON thing that caused it?
09.27.20 #       <Bagder> yes
09.27.47 #       <adi|home> okay... so the question is 'how do we get all non-english files to update?'
09.28.31 #       <Bagder> no, we just remove BACKLIGHT_ON and smile ;-)
09.28.49 #       <Bagder> I fixed a bug in binlang too
09.29.03 #       <adi|home> so whats the prob? you already have a solution :)
09.29.22 #       <Bagder> there is no prob anymore! ;-)
09.29.29 #       <adi|home> heheh k
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09.30.42 #       <Bagder> mem: should work fine tomorrow again! ;-)
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09.34.38 #       <mem> Bagder: Good! I would call that a quick response!
09.35.05 #       <mem> Bagder: Do I have to download a new lng-file or just the build?
09.35.34 #       <Bagder> I think a new build will be enough
09.36.00 #       <Bagder> do you have the 1.4-vesion of the svenska.lng?
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09.36.22 #       <mem> Yes I have the 1.4 svenska
09.36.48 #       <Bagder> ok, then I think it'll work by only getting the new firmware
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09.37.08 #       <merwin-> dwihno: did you get your answer for cardbus vs pcmcia?
09.37.16 #       <mem> okay, I just have to wait 24h...
09.37.17 #       <dwihno> merwin-: So there is no other differences?
09.37.30 #       <merwin-> dwihno: hold on a sec and I'll tell you :)
09.38.18 #       * dwihno loves the archos for portable storage
09.38.51 #       <dwihno> I mean, I am able to bring several hundred megs of material so easily! :D
09.39.01 #       <merwin-> dwihno: basically cardbus is tons better. 
09.39.20 #       <merwin-> dwihno: the data transfer rate is about 5-7 times more I think
09.39.34 #       <merwin-> but it's not quite as compatible
09.39.40 #       <merwin-> ie: won't work with older laptops
09.39.44 #       <dwihno> mkay
09.39.53 #       * dwihno got high-quality ass-kicking shiznat laptop thingy!
09.41.33 #       <merwin-> dwihno: http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/C/CardBus.html
09.41.50 #       <merwin-> dwihno: simple definition, but has other links
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09.42.05 #       <merwin-> CardBus Fast Ethernet PC Cards such as the 3Com products run at almost 90 Mbps unlike the 16-bit Fast Ethernet PC Cards which operate at only about 20-30 Mbps.
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09.43.21 #       <dwihno> mkay
09.43.29 #       <dwihno> cool
09.43.41 #       <dwihno> I guess I'll buy an USB2 card
09.43.47 #       <dwihno> Are there any updates or such required for Win2k?
09.44.25 #       <merwin> dwihno: nope
09.44.51 #       <merwin> dwihno: I bought an 802.11b cardbus card... works perfectly in win2k
09.45.04 #       <dwihno> merwin: Nice! I'll get the adaptec "usb2connect" thing, just to make sure I get high quality stuff
09.45.30 #       <merwin> dwihno: adaptec is good for high quality... also pricy :)
09.46.46 #       <dwihno> merwin: not that pricy... approx 80e
09.47.34 #       <merwin> dwihno: that's not too horrible... I'm cheap though :)  I AM getting a Cisco 802.11b router and access point though (won it in Vegas)
09.48.25 #       <dwihno> :O
09.48.26 #       <dwihno> :)
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09.48.30 #       <dwihno> How kickass isn't that!
09.48.36 #       <dwihno> The access points are costspome?
09.48.46 #       <merwin> dwihno: costspome?
09.48.51 #       <dwihno> pricy
09.49.18 #       <merwin> dwihno: hehe, fairly... I think the cisco AP that I'm getting is around $250e
09.49.31 #       <henrysunset> 'ello
09.49.33 #       <dwihno> not more?
09.49.43 #       <merwin> dwihno: actually, I'
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09.49.52 #       <henrysunset> for a wireless access point
09.49.53 #       <henrysunset> ?
09.49.57 #       <merwin> I'm not sure... that's a guess. They're sending me a brand new model that just came out a week or so ago
09.50.02 #       <merwin> henrysunset: yup
09.50.10 #       <henrysunset> i dunno what they worth
09.50.11 #       <henrysunset> 200$
09.50.12 #       <henrysunset> ?
09.50.19 #       <henrysunset> i have a cisco also
09.50.49 #       <dwihno> sounds pretty cheap
09.50.56 #       <henrysunset> its good solid gear
09.51.08 #       <henrysunset> the linksys ones are like 60 bux now arent they
09.51.24 #       <merwin> henrysunset: linksys ap's are still around $150
09.51.28 #       <merwin> henrysunset: the cards are around $60
09.51.28 #       <henrysunset> naw
09.51.57 #       <merwin> henrysunset: well, $150 with a 30 rebate
09.52.01 #       <henrysunset> "Netgear MR314 Wireless Router for $60 after MIR at buy.com"
09.52.25 #       <henrysunset> booyah
09.52.28 #       <henrysunset> :-)
09.52.32 #       <merwin> is that with the normal NIC ports also?
09.52.49 #       <henrysunset> 4 bort router for wired plus wireless
09.52.58 #       <henrysunset> *port
09.53.06 #       <merwin> niced
09.53.09 #       <merwin> nice
09.53.13 #       <henrysunset> ya
09.53.16 #       <dwihno> well, I was looking for 55 mbit wlans ;)
09.53.17 #       <henrysunset> anyhow...
09.53.22 #       <henrysunset> oh ok
09.53.23 #       <dwihno> maybe they are more expensive or such
09.53.28 #       <henrysunset> screw that
09.53.34 #       <henrysunset> if u need speed; lay some copper
09.53.57 #       <henrysunset> dod any ya read my comments on the Rockbox ui?
09.54.00 #       <henrysunset> *did?
09.54.37 #       <henrysunset> i posted a new ui design i'm workign on on my website: http://ghettohardware.com/rockbox/
09.54.53 #       <henrysunset> i'm gonna try and improve it now...
09.55.03 #       <merwin> Wow, Cisco Aironet 350 Access Point $500
09.57.28 #       <merwin> ok, a little MORE than I thought
09.57.42 #       <henrysunset> yeah
09.58.14 #       <merwin> In that case, I'm fine with waiting for it since July :)
09.59.24 #       * merwin just downed an entire medium pizza
10.00.08 #       <henrysunset> yum
10.00.30 #       <henrysunset> di u look at that ui doc?  i'm tryoign to collect feedback... see if ppl like my ideas
10.00.46 #       <merwin> ui doc?
10.03.10 #       <merwin> bbl
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10.15.46 #       <adi|home> Zagor/Bagder how can i prevent the games from using the loaded font?
10.15.53 #       <adi|home> ie: make them use the default?
10.16.36 #       <Bagder>  lcd_setfont(FONT_SYSFIXED);
10.18.17 #       <adi|home> do i have to do that each time before i do a str()
10.18.22 #       <adi|home> or just at the start of the file?
10.18.58 #       <Bagder> once only
10.19.56 #       <Bagder> lcd_setfont(FONT_UI); puts back the regular font
10.23.05 #       <adi|home> ty
10.36.35 #       <Zagor> gaaah, i hate sales people
10.36.48 #       <adi|home> lol
10.36.58 #       <adi|home> btw.. im fixing the games to use the fixed font
10.37.11 #       <Zagor> good
10.37.25 #       <dwihno> sales people rooolez! ;)
10.37.29 #       <adi|home> and im still working on the sokoban levels being seperate...
10.37.33 #       <adi|home> im just slow/lazy
10.38.14 #       <Zagor> i met the guy at 9:00, shook his hand and said "you have your serial number at the wrong address. that's the fault.". still the meeting dragged on for an additional 90 minutes. aaaarghhh!
10.39.59 #       <adi|home> lol
10.40.07 #       <adi|home> games fixed
10.40.21 #       <adi|home> is it safe to assume the demos need the font fixed as well?
10.40.45 #       <Zagor> yah
10.42.02 #       * adi|home screams
10.42.18 #       <adi|home> first time ive looked at cube.c
10.42.25 #       <Zagor> hehe
10.42.30 #       <adi|home> so not meeting formating style
10.42.43 #       <adi|home> SinTable[val]
10.42.49 #       <adi|home> shouldn't that be sin_table?
10.43.19 #       <Zagor> yup. the logs reveal bagder let it slip through :-)
10.43.27 #       <adi|home> lol
10.43.34 #       <Bagder> I did
10.43.35 #       <adi|home> ill see if i can clena it up while im there
10.43.40 #       <Bagder> I'm not the police ;-)
10.43.43 #       <adi|home> lol
10.44.24 #       <dwihno> Zagor is :)
10.45.17 #       <Zagor> and adi is my death squad :)
10.47.09 #       <adi|home> hehehe
10.47.10 #       <adi|home> i try
10.47.17 #       * adi|home slaps Bagder back into line
10.47.29 #       <adi|home> like i said months ago.. every project needs an asshole...
10.47.38 #       <adi|home> and i bring my own hemoroids...
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10.54.31 #       <Bagder> hey papa Linus
10.54.37 #       <LinusN> yo
10.54.45 #       <adi|home> speaking of code police ;)
10.56.39 Part    Zagor
11.09.35 #       <dwihno> PAPA LINUS! CONGRATS! :D
11.09.47 #       <dwihno> I have a name suggestion: Lina :D
11.10.41 #       <LinusN> haha
11.10.59 #       <LinusN> We're probably going to call her Smilla
11.11.06 #       <LinusN> http://linus.haxx.se
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11.11.48 #       <dwihno> awwwww! :~)
11.11.50 Nick    Zagor_ is now known as Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se)
11.12.16 #       <dwihno> How about Vironica? :) A tribute to the best editor in the world ;D
11.12.23 #       <dwihno> or Viveca :)
11.12.31 #       <dwihno> Or Vivi-anne ;D
11.12.41 #       <Bagder> Pomperipossa!
11.12.44 #       <dwihno> :-D
11.12.57 #       * adi|home wants a haxx.se domain too!
11.15.40 #       <adi|home> that kid is beautiful :)
11.15.52 #       <adi|home> but her dad leaves a bit to be desired
11.15.54 #       * adi|home ducks
11.16.01 #       * LinusN cries
11.16.18 #       <adi|home> no reason to cry...
11.16.26 #       <adi|home> i like my men a bit more womanly :)
11.20.54 #       <LinusN> :-)
11.21.29 #       * dwihno also wants a haxx domain :)
11.22.45 #       * Zagor wants a higher-contrast screen at work. this crt sucks.
11.23.44 #       <dwihno> Zagor: Get a cool kickass LCD thingy! I think they rule!
11.23.55 #       <adi|home> who originally wrote bounce?
11.24.17 #       <Zagor> dwihno: I know. I have a great 1600x1200 20" LCD at home
11.24.25 #       <adi|home> nm
11.24.27 #       <Zagor> adi|home: bagder
11.24.32 #       <adi|home> ahh...
11.24.41 #       * adi|home slaps bagder with a trout
11.24.52 #       <adi|home> dude.. wtf with defining #defines mid file?
11.24.53 #       * Bagder likes trouts
11.25.10 #       * adi|home finds that irks him for some reason
11.25.20 #       <LinusN> adi|home: aspiring code police?
11.25.29 #       <dwihno> Zagor: I got 1600x1200 on my laptop, it really rocks! Even for gaming! :)
11.25.37 #       <Bagder> hey, we have no "law" against mid-file #defines ;-)
11.25.48 #       <adi|home> sorta.. im hoping that fixing others code will help me improve the readability of my own...
11.25.50 #       <adi|home> hehe i know..
11.26.02 #       <adi|home> any prob if i toss them at the head of the file?
11.26.09 #       <adi|home> while im font fixing?
11.26.28 #       <Bagder> no problemo
11.26.33 #       <adi|home> ty
11.26.33 #       <adi|home> :)
11.26.35 #       <dwihno> Zagor: how is disk writing progressing btw?
11.26.58 #       <adi|home> btw.. my girlfriend laughed at 'Pure Pleasure!'
11.27.07 #       <Bagder> :-)
11.27.13 #       <adi|home> and i quote "my god, you guys are geeks"
11.27.26 #       <Zagor> it's coming along nicely. i'm stuck with "real work" a bit though, so it's not going as fast as I'd like
11.27.42 #       <Zagor> adi|home: what did I miss?
11.27.58 #       <Bagder> adi|home: my wife said something like "and *this* is what you spend all that time on" ;-)
11.28.06 #       <adi|home> lol
11.28.08 #       <dwihno> Zagor: I quote myself for once ... "no stress, no mess" :-)
11.28.11 #       <adi|home> that sounds _so_ familiar
11.28.19 #       <dwihno> Speaking of mess - you guys GOTTA see Mr Deeds!
11.28.22 #       <dwihno> It's so great!
11.28.24 #       <adi|home> that and 'which part is yours?;
11.28.28 #       <dwihno> Sneaky sneaky!
11.28.43 #       <Bagder> adi|home: yeps, and by the time you've explained, she's lost interest ;-)
11.28.43 #       <Zagor> dwihno: yeah, right. like we take film recommendations from Mr Caramell
11.28.50 #       <LinusN> :-)
11.28.58 #       <adi|home> damn right
11.29.18 #       <dwihno> Just because you don't realize what's the REALLY good stuff in life
11.29.20 #       <adi|home> i settled with 'A large number of little things and a little bit of large things.'
11.29.24 #       <dwihno> Unlike this IBM keyboard
11.29.26 #       <adi|home> she seemed to accept that
11.29.32 #       <Bagder> :-)
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11.30.06 #       <adi|home> course i think she would have said anything to get me to put down tetris and go back to snuggling...
11.31.33 #       <dwihno> Ah
11.31.35 #       <dwihno> Lunch in 30
11.32.23 #       <Bagder> bbl
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11.34.30 #       * adi|home coughs
11.34.37 #       <adi|home> someone forgot to check for usb insertion
11.34.42 #       * adi|home pokes bagder
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12.00.57 #       <adi|home> Zagor any chance you could do me the favor of running the bleeding edge build manually?
12.01.05 #       <adi|home> i want to make sure i didn't screw anything up
12.01.25 #       <LinusN> huh?
12.01.49 #       <adi|home> the cvs compiles
12.01.55 #       <adi|home> i commited 5 files
12.01.59 #       <LinusN> running manually?
12.02.13 #       <adi|home> from the command line?
12.02.24 #       <adi|home> assume he can call the script that runs all those compiles
12.02.30 #       <LinusN> you didn't build yourself?
12.02.44 #       <adi|home> i did...
12.02.48 #       <adi|home> for recorder
12.02.53 #       <adi|home> but not for player
12.02.56 #       <adi|home> and player debug
12.02.57 #       <adi|home> and sims
12.03.00 #       <LinusN> why not for player?
12.03.16 #       <adi|home> cause they weren't changes that should effect it
12.03.25 #       <adi|home> changes were in apps/recorder only
12.03.38 #       <LinusN> but you fear that they will, and you want Zagor do test it for you?
12.04.03 #       <adi|home> not so much as i want to see concrete results on the website..
12.04.13 #       * adi|home searchs for instant gratification
12.04.29 #       <adi|home> bah ha.. nm :)
12.04.31 #       <adi|home> compile ran
12.04.34 #       * adi|home dances off
12.05.32 #       * adi|home is away: sleeping
12.45.07 #       <LinusN> Zagor: you there?
12.45.15 #       <Zagor> yup
12.45.35 #       <LinusN> i was thinking about applying Phil's peak meter patch
12.45.50 #       <Zagor> logDB?
12.45.56 #       <LinusN> yup
12.46.13 #       <Zagor> so we'll have tree pixels moving, just like Archos?
12.46.33 #       <LinusN> yes
12.46.46 #       <LinusN> configurable
12.46.51 #       <Zagor> how... useful :)
12.46.56 #       <LinusN> hehe
12.46.57 #       <Zagor> but I guess I'm ok with that
12.47.04 #       <LinusN> seems that people want it that way
12.49.40 #       <Zagor> have you heard about the Intentia/Reuters case?
12.49.51 #       <LinusN> the what?
12.50.12 #       <Zagor> Intentia has sued Reuters for accessing a file on their web server without them linking to it
12.51.11 #       <Zagor> the call it "unauthorized entry"
12.52.47 #       <LinusN> from what i read, Intentia claims that the data was protected with a password
12.53.57 #       <Zagor> nah, the "40-charcter ID" is simply a Lotus Notes URL...
12.54.14 #       <LinusN> hahahahaha
12.54.39 #       <LinusN> still, Domino URL's aren't that guessable are they?
12.56.53 #       <LinusN> talk about ignorance...
13.02.24 #       <Zagor> yeah. and talk about shooting themselves in the foot, business wise. Their web page proclaims "Our mission is to pursue the perfect partnership, providing security..."
13.02.48 #       <Zagor> who would trust a company that can't keep private stuff off their external web site
13.03.07 #       <LinusN> idiots
13.14.24 #       <LinusN> Zagor: i'm about to apply Magnus' settings patch
13.14.40 #       <LinusN> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=625983&group_id=44306&atid=439120
13.15.11 #       <Zagor> ok
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13.21.15 #       <Bagder> ehum
13.21.28 #       <Bagder> Linus didn't append the new strings last
13.24.03 #       <Zagor> boo for linus
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13.26.23 #       <Bagder> I fix
13.28.39 #       <LinusN> boo for me?
13.28.46 #       <LinusN> i just applied the patch
13.28.49 #       <Zagor> always :-)
13.29.01 #       <Zagor> he who applies code is responsible for it
13.29.13 #       * LinusN is ashamed
13.29.20 #       <Zagor> or at least for checking that it is correct at the time of merging
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13.31.45 #       <LinusN> what do we think about the bidirectional scroll?
13.32.14 #       <Bagder> I'm +1
13.32.28 #       <Bagder> people seem to like it
13.32.39 #       <Zagor> as long as it's configurable, i'm green
13.32.48 #       <LinusN> it's not
13.32.52 #       <Zagor> it must be
13.33.01 #       <Bagder> it should be, I agree there
13.33.06 #       <LinusN> ok, so a threshold then?
13.33.20 #       <LinusN> with 0 as OFF
13.33.24 #       <Zagor> sounds ok
13.33.26 #       <Bagder> sounds good
13.34.03 #       <LinusN> so far, it's only for the recorder
13.34.34 #       <Zagor> i'd like to see it for player too
13.34.38 #       <LinusN> me too
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13.43.00 #       <ironi> id like to see my player work
13.43.08 #       <ironi> is it possible to like change the microswitches
13.43.14 #       <ironi> for a normal mortal
13.44.21 #       <LinusN> ironi: what's the problem?
13.45.51 #       <ironi> buttons act strange and when playing a song, i try to access settings/file list it just stops working, the display acts funny
13.45.59 #       <ironi> now it wont even start up
13.46.20 #       <LinusN> wooo
13.46.24 #       <Zagor> sounds like more than a bad button...
13.46.24 #       <LinusN> and you think it'
13.46.34 #       <LinusN> s a button problem?
13.46.51 #       <ironi> well it was problem with buttons now since yesterday it wont even start
13.47.10 #       <LinusN> totally dead, or just half dead?
13.47.33 #       <ironi> eh well when i plug in the charger the green lamp is on
13.47.56 #       <ironi> but nothing more
13.48.12 #       <LinusN> ok, have you opened the unit?
13.48.20 #       <ironi> once
13.48.28 #       <ironi> i can do it now if you want
13.48.48 #       <LinusN> try to start it without the cover on
13.49.31 #       <ironi> will do
13.51.21 #       <ironi> the front cover u mean
13.51.27 #       <ironi> umm
13.51.28 #       <LinusN> yes
13.52.20 #       <ironi> i unscrewed the screws removed the battery coves and one of the corner pads
13.52.24 #       <ironi> and now it works again
13.52.25 #       <ironi> ??
13.52.40 #       <LinusN> looks like a bettery connection problem
13.53.00 #       <ironi> i guess
13.53.18 #       <ironi> damn these archos machines are crappy when it comes top quality
13.53.22 #       <LinusN> i had an oxidated spring once
13.53.33 #       <ironi> crap materials, lousy fitting, bad buttons
13.53.38 #       <ironi> feels like atoy
13.53.40 #       <LinusN> cheap stuff, yes
13.53.43 #       <ironi> it is
13.53.49 #       <ironi> is the recorder better?
13.53.54 #       <LinusN> yes
13.53.56 #       <ironi> or any of the newer devices
13.54.02 #       <LinusN> not good, but better
13.54.12 #       <Bagder> I think the mm feels more "plastic" than the recorder
13.54.31 #       <LinusN> Bagder: you have held a MM in your hand?
13.54.34 #       <Bagder> yes
13.54.39 #       <LinusN> who has one?
13.54.39 #       <Bagder> a broken one ;-)
13.54.58 #       <Bagder> LinusN: there are at least 2 at Contactor who have them
13.55.02 #       <Bagder> both broke
13.55.04 #       <LinusN> k00l
13.55.06 #       <LinusN> hahaha
13.55.26 #       <LinusN> at least Archos holds on to their tradition
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13.57.18 #       <LinusN> how is the strategy regarding the online manual when it comes to updates?
13.57.42 #       <LinusN> we should probably have a 1.4 manual separately
14.02.00 #       <Bagder> we tried that before
14.03.30 #       <LinusN> i know
14.03.55 #       <LinusN> but some people actually read the manual and think it applies to 1.4
14.04.04 #       <Bagder> yes, that's a problem
14.04.19 #       <LinusN> yeah, i wish people didn't read the manual :-)
14.04.26 #       <Bagder> hahaha
14.10.10 #       <LinusN> i'm not all that comfortable having the scroll thread in the firmware dir
14.10.20 #       <Bagder> i agree
14.11.04 #       <LinusN> haha, the bidirectional patch will look really nice with multi-line scrolling :-)
14.12.13 #       <Bagder> ugh
14.13.08 #       <LinusN> i'm suddenly hit with a wish to wait with that patch...
14.13.15 #       <Bagder> I want autmatic vertical scrolling on the whole wps screen ;-)
14.13.29 #       <LinusN> i want to rotate it :-)
14.14.10 #       <Bagder> http://groups.google.com/groups?q=haxx&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&scoring=d&selm=3db88113.80623078%4064.154.60.171&rnum=6
14.14.42 #       <LinusN> we are famous
14.14.46 #       <Bagder> :-)
14.15.06 #       <Bagder> "Swedish coding geniuses"
14.15.22 #       <LinusN> that must be me :-
14.15.31 #       * Bagder falls off his chair laughing ;-)
14.22.29 #       <dwihno> :-)
14.22.41 #       <dwihno> That was cute
14.22.45 #       <LinusN> Bagder: you have 1.25, right?
14.22.58 #       <Bagder> yeps
14.23.05 #       <LinusN> is 32 a good contrast value?
14.24.20 #       <Bagder> yeps
14.24.28 #       <LinusN> Zagor: same for you?
14.24.37 #       <LinusN> dwihno: you have 1.28?
14.24.57 #       <Zagor> checking
14.25.29 #       <Zagor> define "good". 32 is just barely readable for me.
14.25.37 #       <LinusN> what is optimum?
14.25.44 #       <dwihno> LinusN: no, 1.26, I think
14.25.46 #       <Zagor> I use 45 normally
14.25.50 #       <LinusN> 45!
14.25.55 #       <dwihno> 45?!
14.26.07 #       <dwihno> ~30 is good, 45 must be pitch black!
14.27.31 #       <LinusN> i'm thinking of collecting some contrast data from people, to see if there is a difference between versions
14.30.17 #       <dwihno> are we all talking about recorders now ?
14.32.02 #       <LinusN> so far, yes
14.32.11 #       <dwihno> mkay
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14.52.06 #       <LinusN> does anybody want to review my new repeat icons?
14.52.21 #       <LinusN>     {0x44,0x4e,0x5f,0x44,0x44,0x44,0x38}, /* Repeat playmode */
14.52.21 #       <LinusN>     {0x44,0x4e,0x5f,0x44,0x38,0x02,0x7f}, /* Repeat-one playmode */
14.53.16 #       <Zagor> looking
14.54.03 #       <Zagor> is that how the player icons look?
14.54.09 #       <LinusN> i dunno
14.54.39 #       <LinusN> i think the player has a separate "1" icon
14.54.42 #       <Zagor> frankly I don't feel they add much, but that also means I don't oppose them
14.55.01 #       <LinusN> i think the ordinary repeat icon is better, simpler
14.55.07 #       <LinusN> the new one that is
14.55.21 #       <LinusN> the repeat one...naah, not that much better, but still
14.56.08 #       <LinusN> the old circular repeat icon was hard to understand imho
14.56.36 #       <Zagor> yeah, maybe
14.58.22 #       <LinusN> how about a simple "1"?
14.58.33 #       <LinusN> nah
14.58.48 #       <Zagor> no, it must be an icon
14.59.23 #       <LinusN> i still think my new ones are better than the old, so i'll commit them
14.59.34 #       <Zagor> go ahead
15.08.18 #       <Bagder> I'm off
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15.17.33 #       <LinusN> Zagor: what's the repeat rate of the remote control?
15.19.18 #       <Zagor> i don't know, about 1-2 HZ I think
15.19.57 #       <LinusN> i was thinking about interpreting remote repeats as held buttons
15.20.07 #       <Zagor> that can be tricky
15.20.12 #       <LinusN> oh yes
15.20.59 #       <LinusN> i will set the BUTTON_REPEAT flag if the same code comes within ~0.7s
15.21.54 #       <Zagor> ugh. i sense much trouble on the horizon...
15.25.04 #       <LinusN> why?
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15.25.29 #       <Zagor> just a hunch...
15.25.32 #       <LinusN> this must of course be combined with giving the remote control code unique ID's
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15.35.02 #       <Zagor> three quick taps should give three events, no more no less
15.35.19 #       <Zagor> i think otherwise will be more confusing than useful
15.35.39 #       <LinusN> at the expense of not being able to fast forward and rewind
15.35.48 #       <Zagor> yup
15.36.31 #       <T-Rex> Has anyone reported button problems with RB?  Very often pressing down results in a FF press for me.  Does not happen with Archos FW.
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15.37.35 #       <T-Rex> Very annoying to be reducing the vol and go to the next song.  :(
15.37.46 #       <LinusN> T-Rex: does the angle make any difference?
15.38.12 #       <T-Rex> Nope not HW.  Never fails with Archos FW...
15.38.21 #       <LinusN> Zagor: does the original firmware fast forward with the remote?
15.38.29 #       <Zagor> no
15.39.09 #       <LinusN> T-Rex: i wasn't asking if Archos FW worked, i asked if there is any difference if you press the button in a different angle
15.39.43 #       <LinusN> Zagor: Tjerk wrote this:
15.39.47 #       <LinusN> I also found that "repeat" functions (keep a button depressed) needs to be faster than 0.5 s. If it is around 1 second or more it is interpreted as a seperate keypress.
15.40.28 #       <T-Rex> I have tried pressing the left side of the button, yes.  Makes no difference.
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15.43.04 #       <Linus> T-Rex: still there?
15.43.16 #       <T-Rex> Yes.
15.43.20 #       <T-Rex> I have tried pressing the left side of the button, yes.  Makes no difference.
15.43.24 #       <Linus> ok
15.43.36 #       <Linus> go to menu->debug->i/o ports
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15.43.58 #       <T-Rex> There
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15.45.06 #       <Linus> press down and then right
15.45.06 #       <Linus> observe the AN5 value
15.45.07 #       <T-Rex> 0 changing to 1 or two occasionally
15.45.47 #       <T-Rex> Oh, sorry
15.46.48 #       <T-Rex> Down = 3F6 (changing to 3F7, 8, 9)
15.47.45 #       <T-Rex> Right = 18C (changing to D, E, F)
15.48.32 #       <Linus> with those values, i can't see how a Down press could be mistaken for a Right
15.50.00 #       <T-Rex> Good point.  Should I send the unit back?
15.50.26 #       <Linus> from what i can see, it must be a mechanical issue
15.50.40 #       <T-Rex> I just don't understand why it never happens with the Archos FW
15.50.54 #       <Linus> try to jiggle the Down button, pressing at different angles and different positions on the key
15.51.24 #       <Linus> rockbox probably has different thresholds for the key voltages
15.51.46 #       <Linus> and press both soft and hard
15.51.54 #       <Linus> and watch the AN5 value
15.52.07 #       <dwihno> Yay!
15.52.16 #       * dwihno just tested odbc stuff on win98!
15.52.19 #       <dwihno> it worked! ;D
15.52.25 #       <dwihno> Next step: test it on win95 :)
15.52.42 #       <Zagor_> dwihno: no foul languange in this channel, please
15.53.11 #       <dwihno> Windows blahblah odbc blah .net blahblah MFC blah :)
15.53.43 #       <Zagor_> think of the children!
15.53.57 #       <Linus> and the elderly
15.53.58 #       <dwihno> B)
15.54.08 #       <dwihno> You mean you guys? ;)
15.54.12 #       <Linus> yup
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20.02.56 #       <elinenbe> wooohooo!!!!!!!!!!
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21.14.43 #       <langhaarrocker> LinusN|hospital: Thank you for committing the peak meter patch. And sorry for the histogram(m) typo...
21.22.40 #       <langhaarrocker> Hrgh. And sorry for the red builds on the simulators. I shouldn't have made this kind of mistake since I did exactly the same thing before. Well, you have to train the mistakes before you master them...
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21.45.05 #       <Gissehel> Hello, has anyone succeded in connecting an archos to a Windows NT4 ? (by using driver for another hardware using the isd200 for exemple or anything like that) ?
21.45.08 #       <langhaarrocker> With more than a dozen commits today I request to alter the topic of the rockbox chat!
21.45.40 #       <langhaarrocker> Gissehel: Only with 98, 2000 and XP
21.45.57 #       <Gissehel> yes the official drivers...
21.46.03 #       <Gissehel> that's why I'm asking here :)
21.46.16 #       <Gissehel> if anything none official came out
21.46.29 #       <Gissehel> here is THE location where I can find this information :o)
21.47.06 #       <langhaarrocker> I have no clue about nt. But somewhere in my brain some bell rings that says: Wasn't there the need to use some kind of service pack to get nt use usb at all?
21.47.08 #       <Gissehel> they only use Windows 95 and for the newer computer NT 4 at my work :(((
21.48.29 #       <Gissehel> well, I can use usb with that nt 4 (SP 6) while I succeseded to install a iomega zip usb this afternoon...
21.53.22 #       <langhaarrocker> Poor dude - has to use a zip drive instead of the jukebox. :(
21.54.10 #       <Gissehel> well, this is a revolution at work... until 2 or 3 month, we were using floppy disk :(((
21.55.21 #       <langhaarrocker> Ask them wether they have heared that there will be a new technology rising within the next decade that might make it possible to write your own cds (!!!) :)
21.55.35 #       <Gissehel> well
21.55.42 #       <Gissehel> they have a cd recorder
21.55.47 #       <Gissehel> a paralell one :)
21.55.49 #       <Gissehel> x 2
21.55.52 #       <langhaarrocker> lol
21.56.04 #       <Gissehel> it's paintfull to find :
21.56.11 #       <Gissehel> 1/ where it is
21.56.19 #       <Gissehel> 2/ where are the CD we can use
21.56.25 #       <Gissehel> (CD cost too much !!)
21.56.40 #       <Gissehel> (same for pens for writing on CD !!!)
21.58.26 #       <langhaarrocker> Have you already upgraded to 486 processors?
21.58.42 #       <Gissehel> :)
21.58.54 #       <Gissehel> yes we use PIII as mini computer
21.59.02 #       <Gissehel> new computer arrive with XP
21.59.15 #       <Gissehel> and they're ghosted with 95 next :)))
21.59.58 #       <langhaarrocker> Must be a big, stubborn company then. 
22.00.32 #       <Gissehel> well, that's a small company, but that owned by a big one...
22.00.54 #       <Gissehel> sys admin want to use 2000 too !
22.01.16 #       <Gissehel> and we're using 2000 for the products we release :(((
22.01.29 #       <Gissehel> but we develop them under 95 and nt4 :((((
22.02.54 #       <Gissehel> well, I'll fall back to the last solution : a dual boot linux
22.02.58 #       <langhaarrocker> I smell trouble. Somehow I have a similar situation: We develop software that uses AS400 database, but we don't have any.
22.04.00 #       <Gissehel> hey :) every where the same "good organisation" :)
22.04.31 #       <Gissehel> well, we have windows 2000 computers... the "products", but they're not connected to the internal network...
22.04.59 #       <langhaarrocker> For testing we use VNC on our clients computer via a 33kBit modem...
22.05.07 #       <Gissehel> so we use floppy disks to move hunderds of Mega Bytes of data :)
22.05.24 #       <Gissehel> my archos is THE solution...
22.05.36 #       <Gissehel> while it's all ok on the 2000
22.05.59 #       <Gissehel> I should use an "illegal Win 98" on the network
22.06.05 #       <Gissehel> this one has no screen
22.06.20 #       <langhaarrocker> :)
22.06.20 #       <Gissehel> and a Win98 with no screen is very hard to manage...
22.06.32 #       <Gissehel> "is there a blue sceen right now ?"
22.06.48 #       <Gissehel> I prefered unix boxes for "no screen" computers :)
22.07.11 #       <Gissehel> that's why I was hopping finding here a way (any way) to use the archos with nt 4 :)
22.08.04 #       <langhaarrocker> Sorry I can't help. 
22.08.23 #       <langhaarrocker> Time for bed now, gonna have a busy day tomorrow.
22.08.25 #       <langhaarrocker> cu
22.08.34 #       <Gissehel> bye
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23.03.02 #       <LinusN> does anybody else have problems with high bitrate files?
23.05.00 #       <seb-school> how high?
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23.05.32 #       <_seb_> I use a maximum of 192, and everything is fine...
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23.09.42 #       <LinusN> people talk about problems at 256 and up
23.09.51 #       <LinusN> and i don't have any problems with that
23.13.03 #       <mecraw> Hi, LinusN
23.13.07 #       <LinusN> hi
23.14.11 #       <mecraw> how are the latest CVS versions?  i stopped updating regularly last week after Zagor added the fat write stuff
23.14.23 #       <LinusN> they work just fine
23.14.44 #       <mecraw> excellent
23.14.58 #       <mecraw> BTW, congrats on the newborn!
23.15.03 #       <LinusN> thx
23.15.20 #       <_seb_> ah yes, congratulations Linus
23.15.28 #       <LinusN> thx again
23.17.52 #       <LinusN> dammit, the USB driver has gone picking daisies
23.17.58 #       <LinusN> gotta reboot :-(
23.18.02 #       <LinusN> cu soon
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23.42.38 #       <Gissehel> hooo
23.42.41 #       <Gissehel> by the way
23.42.58 #       <Gissehel> does the archos hardware can do master usb ?
23.43.08 #       <LinusN> no
23.43.13 #       <Gissehel> ok 
23.43.15 #       <LinusN> only slave ATA
23.43.33 #       <LinusN> Gissehel: BTW, NT4 and USB is bad news
23.43.41 #       <Gissehel> :)
23.43.46 #       <Gissehel> I thought so
23.44.03 #       <Gissehel> well, iomega zip works... 
23.44.12 #       <LinusN> there are third party USB drivers out there, but i don't know if they can talk to the Jukebox
23.44.17 #       <Gissehel> while the way it works look like an ugly driver :)
23.44.41 #       <LinusN> Gissehel: do you have a recorder?
23.44.41 #       <Gissehel> well, I'm looking for third party driver
23.44.47 #       <Gissehel> yes, recorder 10
23.44.51 #       <Gissehel> (no USB 2)
23.44.58 #       <Gissehel> OR
23.45.05 #       <LinusN> have you reported your HW info to me?
23.45.14 #       <Gissehel> a doc about how to code a driver for nt4 :)
23.45.23 #       <Gissehel> hummm no
23.45.30 #       <Gissehel> wasn't here for a long time
23.45.34 #       <LinusN> go to menu->debug->HW info
23.45.41 #       <Gissehel> ok
23.45.54 #       <Gissehel> have I to use the CVS version ?
23.46.05 #       <Gissehel> or any binarie would be fine ?
23.46.24 #       <LinusN> at least 1.4
23.46.40 #       <LinusN> sorry, use the latest daily
23.47.47 #       <Gissehel> long time since I didn't update CVS
23.47.50 #       <Gissehel> that's cool
23.47.59 #       <Gissehel> if I can write to disk now !
23.48.19 #       <LinusN> on your own risk
23.48.23 #       <Gissehel> It was really to do what I wanted :)
23.48.41 #       <LinusN> we have no code that writes to disk yet
23.48.44 #       <LinusN> only drivers
23.48.50 #       <Gissehel> hooo?
23.48.50 #       <Gissehel> ok :)
23.48.54 #       <Gissehel> I'll wait :)
23.48.59 #       <Gissehel> before playing with :)
23.51.48 #       <Gissehel> does the "TARGET" line definition has been moved ?
23.52.03 #       <Gissehel> can't find one in apps/Makefile !
23.52.15 #       <LinusN> why do you care?
23.53.12 #       <Gissehel> ok
23.53.13 #       <LinusN> just run the configure script
23.53.19 #       <Gissehel> lot fo changes :)
23.53.39 #       <Gissehel> well
23.53.39 #       <Gissehel> no
23.54.05 #       <Gissehel> I just didn't see the configure script for the old version I used to use :)
23.56.57 #       <Gissehel> don't compile :(
23.57.32 #       <LinusN> you use windows?
23.58.16 #       <Gissehel> no
23.58.17 #       <Gissehel> linux
23.58.21 #       <Gissehel> but I had problems
23.58.27 #       <Gissehel> with gcc
23.58.32 #       <Gissehel> I solved them
23.58.39 #       <Gissehel> now, there are still here
23.58.51 #       <Gissehel> don't remember how I solved them :)