--- Log for 01.11.102 Server: capek.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16p1 Started: 4 days and 20 hours ago 00.28.48 Join BoD[] [0] (~BoD@m220.net81-65-35.noos.fr) 00.28.50 # mblelop 00.29.24 # how are you 00.38.55 # (or not) 00.42.12 Join langhaarrocker [0] (~Philipp@B45b6.pppool.de) 00.46.44 Quit edx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.54.41 Quit NiarkY ("leaving by all :)") 00.57.37 Quit langhaarrocker ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)") 00.59.26 Quit vekar (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.08.15 Join T-Rex [0] (~digitalq@ip68-96-202-68.hr.hr.cox.net) 01.08.44 >>> "seen" used by T-Rex (~digitalq@ip68-96-202-68.hr.hr.cox.net) [snoop prevented] 01.38.23 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.05.21 # well 02.05.26 # i go to bed .; see you bye 02.05.31 Quit BoD[] ("{[[[{[{{TCL enabled quit message}}]}]]]}") 02.21.21 Quit seb-away (Remote closed the connection) 02.21.22 Join seb-away [0] (trilluser@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 02.21.46 Join s [0] (trilluser@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 02.22.01 Quit s (Remote closed the connection) 02.39.05 Nick seb-away is now known as _seb_ (trilluser@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 02.42.52 Join mecraw_ [0] (~mecraw@12-252-136-249.client.attbi.com) 03.11.30 # 'ello 03.38.26 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.44.25 Join TotMacher [0] (tot@p508DB393.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.05.25 Join tot [0] (tot@p508DAE21.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.05.25 Quit tot (Remote closed the connection) 04.05.25 Join tot [0] (tot@p508DAE21.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.22.07 Quit TotMacher (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.55.13 Quit startrekfan ("—I-n-v-i-s-i-o-n— 2.0 Build 2104") 05.12.05 Join lampshady [0] (~hhh@phnxdslgw17poolD207.phnx.uswest.net) 05.14.22 Quit lampshady (Client Quit) 05.19.00 Part T-Rex 05.38.29 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.04.06 Nick _seb_ is now known as seb-sleep (trilluser@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 07.38.32 *** No seen item changed, no save performed. 08.19.51 Nick dw|gone is now known as dwihno (dwihno@Bald067.Baldakinen.Umea.SE) 08.54.15 Join Bagder [241] (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) 08.55.44 # Bagder: hi 08.56.08 # Yay! He has returned! Bagder is back! 08.56.18 # Yesterday I didn't have the time to look into the language problem but I hope that I can spend some time today 08.59.19 # I don't think I dare to tell you what I did ;-) 09.01.09 # Tell me or dwihno or whom? 09.01.19 # Well, it was Zagor who removed the snake game 09.01.31 # That was (imho) the biggest mistake in the RockBox history 09.01.49 # Why is the snake removed? 09.01.57 # dunno 09.02.04 # Power abuse? :) 09.02.07 # because there was another snake game 09.02.54 # And what is it that you don't dare to tell us? 09.03.17 # I so goofed up trying to upgrade my libc 09.03.20 # Bagder: you can't really compare two snake games! :/ they are two unique individuals! :~~( 09.07.57 # Bagder: SO PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE put back snake0r! :) 09.07.59 # I beg you! 09.08.01 # Please! 09.08.18 # with loadable modules, there will be no limit 09.08.43 # * dwihno has no CVS acces 09.09.06 # Bagder: how big is your skattesats? 09.09.22 # one bazillion percent 09.10.14 # * dwihno spanks Bagder with a barbed icicle 09.12.28 # hey, we're swedes, we're taxed to death 09.16.00 # dwihno: Are you in the entertainment business? 09.16.38 # Bagder: I agree, 33.52% is my skattesats :¨~( 09.16.53 # mem: well, I'm entertained at work, if that's what you mean :) 09.16.54 # I wish I only paid 33.52 ;-] 09.17.05 # moin 09.17.16 # Bagder: you are one of those damned höginkomsttagare! :) 09.17.49 # yes, I shall be punished 09.18.01 # dwihno: Your /whois says dwihno@Bald067.Baldakinen.Umea.SE and isn't Baldakinen the company that owns the large clubs in Stockholm, etc? 09.20.59 Join Zagor_ [242] (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) 09.21.06 # morning Z 09.21.08 Nick Zagor_ is now known as Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) 09.21.09 # hi 09.22.40 # mem: did I authorize a /whois? ;D 09.22.54 # The not-so-white sheep is back 09.23.07 # Zagor "remover-of-snake" Zagorino 09.24.39 # snake must die 09.27.30 # :( 09.27.36 # Jar-Jar Binks must die! :) 09.28.02 # i predict snake will make a triumphant return as a .rock 09.29.55 # :D 09.30.04 # And my GAME(tm) will be released :) 09.30.20 # nah, that'll probably never happen ;) 09.30.27 # :-) 09.30.32 # Foo on you, you damn bar! :) 09.33.46 # Zagor: Linus the man is up for an rblunch, and so I am 09.36.08 # rblunch? 09.36.17 # rockboxlunch 09.36.22 # räkbox :) 09.36.38 # and what's so special about those lunches? :) 09.36.50 # we hit the "Curry Corner" and have an indian food time 09.38.33 *** No seen item changed, no save performed. 09.39.10 # curry corner? 09.39.12 # sounds fishy 09.39.15 # in a curry sense :) 09.42.34 # rblunch is cool, but no chicken for me 09.43.00 # no chicken!? 09.43.11 # i'm making chicken tonight 09.43.15 # aha 09.43.31 # well, you may be excused this time ;-) 09.43.36 # * Zagor welcomes everybody to the #kitchen channel 09.43.39 # but don't make it a habbit! 09.43.48 # hobbit? 09.44.49 # Zagor has fallen for the chicken commericals 09.44.58 # I bet you ate peasoup last night too, didn't you, Zagor? :) 09.47.59 # Zagor: linus said he might be a little late, but he'll call us when he's closing in 09.48.11 # ok 09.48.53 # Bagder: Curry Corner is that in Vreten/Sumpan? 09.48.58 # yeps 09.49.26 # bin there, done that 09.49.28 # an rblunch and you didn't even consider inviting me :( 09.50.10 # we need to have these secret meetings to come up with all those evil conspiracies that we do 09.50.17 # I would say that CC is one of the better Indian restaurants I've tried 09.53.16 # 'ello 09.54.49 # hola 09.56.43 # Buongiorno! :D 09.58.28 Join Mine78 [0] (Pozzolo@62.211.161.242) 09.58.49 # goodmorning everybody ! 09.58.58 # can I report a thing about rockbox 1.4 ? 09.59.58 # anyone there ? 10.00.07 # yes, plenty 10.00.17 # I have a problem 10.00.28 # so tell us, don't tell us that you itend to tell us 10.00.32 # I select "turn off backlight when charging" but th light still stays on 10.00.36 # :) 10.00.54 # Archos recorder hardware .128 10.01.15 # 1.28 10.01.31 # is it an already known bug ? 10.02.08 # isn' the option "turn ON backlight when charging"? 10.02.14 # yes it is 10.02.21 # I selcet NO 10.02.22 # so is it on or off 10.02.25 # ok 10.02.32 # but light still stays ojn 10.02.54 # so you boot into rockbox and then plug in the charger? 10.03.00 # works for me 10.03.01 # what about the backlight time option, which value? 10.03.13 # no I simply plug the ac adapter 10.03.21 # after shutting down the recorder 10.03.25 # then rockbox doesn't run 10.03.37 # time = 4sec 10.03.43 # your option has no effect then, since that is controlled by archos 10.03.45 # it's the archos firmware you see 10.04.05 # ah 10.04.08 # so the light turn off only if the archos is already on ? 10.04.25 # I kmean when I plug the ac adapter 10.04.25 # rockbox only controls things if it runs 10.04.30 # the rockbox code must be running for the rockbox settings to have effect 10.04.49 # So what I must do to solve this ? 10.04.56 # start rockbox 10.05.01 # boot rockbox first, then plug in the ac cable 10.05.07 # Ok perfect ! 10.05.09 # Thanks 10.05.17 # The revision 1.4 is really cool ! 10.06.49 # Zagor: you notice a really crappy connection to contactor? 10.06.55 # One last thing: when I plug the usb cable and the ac adapter the archos is recharging or not ? 10.07.13 # Bagder: it's a bit lagged but not to terrible 10.07.34 # Mine78: it is 10.07.52 # Mine78: rather, it is charging if you see the battery animation 10.08.28 # er.... u are right :-P 10.09.16 # no responces in the mailinglist to my UI ideas... hrm. 10.10.21 # henrysunset: I think we all fail to see the big advantage your system would introduce 10.11.02 # oh well 10.11.04 # i see it 10.11.17 # but if I can't convince anyone its of no use 10.11.53 # I'm not saying its bad, I'm saying that I don't see the benefits 10.12.06 # can you tell me in two sentences why your system is better than what we have now? 10.12.12 # in my job i am somewhere inbetween a ui person and a manager so i have more control of the process; here it's all about convincing dev-minded folks of intangible gains 10.12.18 # and i understand. 10.12.32 # i'll try,,, 10.14.39 # the system gives the user a clearer seperation of local (navigating this screen) vs global (navigating amogst screens); it adds a clear place for new features to fit in; and it makes it easier to complete basic tasks without looking at the screen at all. 10.15.02 # if that isn't enough then i rest my case i guess. 10.15.24 # well 10.15.29 # the biggest part i suppose is the ability to grow... i don't see how a playlist feature can fit onto the existing ui 10.15.36 # this is open source, no one works on anything they don't want to 10.15.55 # yup; i understand that. 10.16.20 # and dev types liek to do things they can show off as "features" 10.16.32 # henrysunset: playlist goes into the menu, just like recording and other things 10.16.36 # features earn praise nto some intangible niceness 10.16.46 # henrysunset: you're being unfair 10.17.01 # i disagree there henrysunset 10.17.02 # playlist would be a 100% core thing for me; and it'd be hard to get to inside a menu 10.17.11 # yes 10.17.21 # saying niceness is ignored isnt true 10.17.30 # changing the UI is a major pain for our users. they already change once, from archos to our system. changing again must mean a real, tangible, improvement 10.17.37 # in all fairness it is still leaps and bounds better than archos software 10.18.06 # i know that. 10.18.34 # Zagor: sometimes i think you guys give too little credit to archos users 10.18.52 # Zagor: of all the portable music players ever put on the market, i think the archos attracts the geekiest crowds 10.19.17 # well; I tried. I know a evolved version of my ideas would be an improvement; but it may infact be too far into the game to make it worth it 10.19.38 # and how much better is definitely hard to say without having it in my hands to try 10.19.39 # ok, i'll revise my statement: changing the UI is a major pain for me :-) 10.19.46 # personally, I see it as a bug report and a suggested fix, but I don't quite see the bug 10.19.47 # that is totally fair. 10.20.16 # heh 10.20.29 # maybe; when the scriptable UI is available i can prototype it and we'll see what peopel think then 10.20.47 # yeah, that would be interesting 10.20.52 # until then i'll just ride the wave of change and see where it goes 10.21.07 # I guess that even some faked screen dumps with some example could help people see the beauty of it too 10.21.21 # :-( too bad i can't code it myself 10.21.28 # i will add some of them perhaps 10.21.38 # the way i see it, the interface is likely to evolve through a combination of open discussion and plain old steadily expanding capabilities inherent in it's current development process 10.21.39 # but i don't have a lot of time for it. 10.21.46 # into whatever suits it's purposes best 10.22.24 # and so looking at the channel here now it looks like it's all going well 10.22.26 # psyco: that's kinda why i fear that it will get kludgey; adding upon adding will eventually just lose the original simplicity... or atleast it could 10.22.46 # but time will tell. 10.23.05 # the OSS movement is certainly an interesting one 10.23.12 # henrysunset: and if/when that happens, somebody'll probably take all their knowledge and experience getting to that point and apply it to at least a minor redesign 10.23.27 # henrysunset: if things go painfully kludgey, we'll have an incitament to change. and so we will. 10.23.27 # yup. 10.23.54 # hm, bostream is all messed up 10.23.58 # unless development mided people just become blind to the kludginess 10.24.09 # Bagder: booostream ;) 10.24.13 # yeah 10.24.21 # ~26ms to my dns 10.24.26 # cuz you memorize the intricacies and the workarounds and dont see it anymore 10.24.27 # henrysunset: thats what hordes of whiney users are good for 10.24.28 # henrysunset: possible, but unlikely. we have very vocal users ;) 10.24.56 # one example in current UI that drives me mad... the f2/f3 menus stay stuck until you press f2/f3 again 10.25.11 # oh that reminds me 10.25.15 # like f3 won't get you out of the f2 menu 10.25.27 # i need to upgrade my rockbox and see if there's still one annoying bit of UI behaviour in the latest 10.25.28 # and on won't take you to the explorer 10.25.32 # i haven't updated in a while 10.25.54 # Some people call me space cowboy, some people call me the gangster of love. Some people call me "dwihn0r", whee wheew! 10.25.59 # :-) 10.27.14 # hey; here's a question... if you come up to a rockbox and for whatever reason cannot look at the screen. (say it's in your backpack). Is there any sequence of keypresses that will always advance the player to the next track? 10.27.14 # but with what i've got on there now, (it's a player btw) if i press, for example, menu+plus to turn up the volume, then let go of plus and press stop wishing to turn on the keylock, it doesn't work.. i have to let go of menu, then press and hold it over again to hit stop and turn the keylock on 10.27.42 # PsycoXul: that's a bug. file it. 10.28.36 # henrysunset: good point 10.28.53 # is that a somewhat convincing point? 10.29.02 # Zagor: ok, well i haven't updated since before some (i think) fairly major changes to the button handling code (actualy the reason i haven't updated in a while), so that bug may have gotten trampled in the wheels of progress already.. if not, i'll file it 10.29.11 # there is clearly no keysequence to answer that problem 10.29.53 Join kargatron [0] (~Vincent@ppp-isdn-639.ath.forthnet.gr) 10.30.17 # if you were to read thru my doc you would see that tapping f1 then tapping right will always go to the next track no matter the state 10.30.30 # henrysunset: press next, wait... if next track doesn't begin, turn off keylock, press next 10.30.44 # what to turn off keylock? 10.30.51 # i dunno about on recorders 10.30.55 # on players it's menu+stop 10.30.56 # what if it's in the explorer? 10.31.24 # if it's in the explorer; you will just traverse deeper into the hierarchy 10.31.47 # well then following my directions, you'd probably find yourself almost exactly where you were before pressing anything... 10.31.51 # heh 10.32.02 # just 2 files further down the list 10.32.07 # or something 10.32.11 # yeah 10.32.17 # but if it was in the backpak 10.32.20 # or you were driving 10.32.27 # it would be an impossible problem 10.33.06 # such is the downfall of screen toggle buttons 10.33.10 # no (sane) sequence of keypresses will always get the next track to play 10.33.26 # henrysunset: one major point is the player. your system doesn't work at all for players. 10.33.37 # they don't have F-keys 10.33.38 # i think it will. 10.33.55 # what keys do the players have? 10.34.00 # on of up down left right? 10.34.07 # players have on, menu, -, play, +, stop 10.34.08 # er off 10.34.12 # ON, MENU, PLAY, STOP, NEXT, PREV 10.34.28 # how does it turn off? 10.34.30 # -, play, +, and stop are all on one big round button and can't be pressed simultaneously (at least not easily) 10.34.37 # henrysunset: holding stop 10.34.40 # yes i understand 10.34.53 # comparison photo here: http://rockbox.haxx.se/devcon/show.cgi?img4083.jpg 10.34.54 # ok so stop = off 10.35.28 # may I have a moment to formulate a responce? 10.35.42 # naturally. we're in no hurry. 10.36.16 # we can apparently have on+menu, menu+on, on+{-,play,+,stop}, menu+{-,play,+,stop}, on+menu+{-,play,+,stop}, um probably menu+on+{-,play,+,stop} and maybe even {-,play,+,stop}+blah etc 10.36.32 # gotcha 10.36.47 # so there are just these 2 models in terms of keys? 10.36.58 # and the player has less creen 10.37.03 # *screen 10.37.08 # ok; brb 10.37.11 # not just less screen, but also less capable 10.37.22 # it's not bitmap 10.37.42 # right, only these two models 10.38.05 # you should probably know about the remote control too. not that it changes much 10.38.21 Join Triple-z [0] (~Mp3@212.116.168.55) 10.38.25 # http://rockbox.haxx.se/internals/remote.jpg 10.38.35 # the same remote for both models 10.39.30 # the two small circular buttons on the remote is vol+ and vol- 10.40.55 Quit Mine78 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.42.09 Quit Bagder ("http://daniel.haxx.se") 10.43.08 # oh 10.43.14 # another question 10.43.30 # does the player have the f2/f3 quickmenus in some other way 10.43.35 # or must they use preferences? 10.44.05 # they must use preferences 10.44.08 # ok 10.44.27 # well i actually was gonna give them quickmenus too 10.44.28 Quit PsycoXul ("reboot.") 10.44.49 # but if they don't "need" them it would be less complex to avoid them. 10.45.20 # they're difficult to make due to the limited display on the players 10.45.33 # so i see. 10.45.40 # couldn't it be done iconically? 10.45.53 # or does that screen not really support icons either? 10.46.13 # it does, to some extent. we can redefine 4 characters. 5x7 pixels... 10.46.21 # only 4 10.46.23 # sheesh 10.46.23 # ok 10.46.39 # 4 on the old display model, 8 on the more recent (more common) 10.46.48 # k 10.46.52 # wierdness 10.47.03 # so go for lowest common denominator i guess 10.47.47 # either that, or if we can dynamically fallback to an uglier display for the older units. i'd guess 75-90% of players use the new display. 10.47.54 # yeah 10.47.56 # k 10.50.29 Join PsycoXul [0] (psyco@adsl-63-205-41-79.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) 11.02.01 Quit Synthe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.02.03 Join Synthe` [0] (Synthe@galt.synthe.net) 11.08.34 # ok i must say 11.08.53 # the scrolling text viewer patch on the patch tracker ROCKS 11.09.27 # witch one? 11.09.53 # it's like perfect, except it's a little outdated with respect to icons, and it'd be nice if you could access the menu from it 11.10.18 # Triple-z: huh? there's only one i think... heh 11.10.19 Quit Synthe` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.11.30 # 617976scroll text files* 2002-10-03 01:56nobodynobody 11.11.32 # that 11.12.02 # another odd thing is that, while the backlight timeout works while the text is scrolling 11.12.06 # it stays on while it's "paused" 11.12.13 # haha 11.12.20 # it seems to me like if it should do any such thing, it should be the exact opposite 11.12.40 # it would be a nice option to have it stay on while scrolling, anyways 11.13.25 # but this is finaly something usable for reading all these books i've got in text on here 11.14.19 # actualy i like the one that lets you scroll around the file manualy [the default one now i guess] for some other kinds of text files 11.14.22 # but this is better for books 11.14.45 Join Synthe [0] (Synthe@galt.synthe.net) 11.14.50 # i'd like to see them as quick-switchable modes so you can use either depending on the file you're looking at 11.15.02 Join langhaarrocker [0] (~Philipp@Bdd1e.pppool.de) 11.17.28 # i'll have to try that .rockbox browsing patch next 11.17.59 # but this setup'll get me through the weekend 11.31.57 # ok bug report on that menu+key thing filed, 631986 11.38.34 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.38.55 # &%*!!! I left my USB cable at the office. Could anybody be so kind as to mail me his one? :) 11.40.25 # i just can't wait for the playlist building/editing so i can finaly get back to my standard way of listening to music, just on the go... the whole reason i wanted an archos, and have yet to be able to do since i got it last xmas hehe 11.41.55 # And I can't wait for a user friendly way for recording - without having to move the recorded files back and forth to keep the hd error free. 11.42.03 # yeah playlists would be excellent 11.42.25 # it just has to be able to add 1. single files, 2. whole directories, 3. whole directories traversing subdirectories, 4. whole disk, and preferably also multiple simultaneous selections of each for addition and removal, and all without any retarded sluggishness like holding any buttons for any period of time longer than it takes you to press a 2nd button and let them go 11.42.51 # i have a neat idea for making and editing playlists but i'm gonna hold off on explaining it for no 11.43.05 # 3 is what i want especially badly 11.43.37 # so what are your concrete examples? just curious. 11.43.43 # well on players, 3 is an accidental "feature" of the stock firmware 11.43.55 # well actualy it's sortof a cross between 3 and 4... 11.44.08 # i certainly see wanting #3, etc, but for your "top ten/twenty" wanted recursive dirs, you can make playlists, right? 11.44.09 # you use the function to add a whole directory to the playlist, and it adds it and every file on the disk after it 11.44.30 # are you talking artist dirs, genre dirs? 11.44.32 # psyco; go to the folder u want to add; press pay; t asks you if u wanna add that folder or that folder recursively 11.44.37 # er press play 11.45.09 # henrysunset: well on players play goes into the folder, so something like on+play would be more like it 11.45.15 # it shoudl handle shortcuts too; that could be helpful hack since we don't have a database for searching 11.45.33 # psyco; p'haps 11.45.54 # henrysunset: i'd prefer it just do what i tell it to and not ask me anything too 11.45.56 # what about handling addign the folder recursively or not? 11.46.07 # having to press keys twice for each addition is too slow for me 11.46.14 # i'd rather seperate combo's 11.46.24 # I want a quick way for adding the currently playing file to a selectable playlist 11.46.28 # but it requires memorizing an obscure command 11.46.42 # personaly i build a giant playlist of whatever strikes my mood, listen to it, then scrap it and build a new one 11.46.42 # that could be a feature of the player view 11.46.50 # yeah i hear ya 11.47.00 # also removing stuff from the plalist is important 11.47.05 # yeah 11.47.19 # maybe even a way to select a bunch of files and add or remove them 11.47.31 # sorta lik shift+up/down on a PC 11.47.47 # we need mouse support 11.47.48 # anyway 11.47.50 # to bed w/ me 11.47.53 # oh... 11.47.54 # another idea i've got is something like holding on and then pressing plus/minus (on players anyways) selects/deselects multiple files 11.48.01 # is ON-RIGHT, ON-LEFT currenytly used? those could be add/delete, maybe 11.48.18 # and then pressing play on those could add them all or whatever 11.48.34 # stop talking, start coding :) 11.48.43 # kargatron: players currently have no combo's in the browser afaik, just in the WPS 11.48.43 # P.S.. i revised the ui doc i workin on to add the controls for the Player hardware as wel as the recorder. interestingly; the player seems to show more improvement than the recorder. 11.49.00 # again http://ghettohardware.com/rockbox if interested 11.49.04 # Zagor: I'll have servaral hours on train today. :) 11.49.22 # Zagor, that sounds dangerous - i wouldn't necessarily want someone to code something most people didn't find reasonable, all else being equal 11.49.39 # langhaarrocker: hehe, good. the write code is good enough to do playlist creation 11.50.03 # what can't the write code do; big files? 11.50.17 # long filenames 11.50.18 # to bed w/ me 11.50.27 # night 11.50.33 # me too 11.50.48 # i just gotta say rockbox rocks, and the future looks bright and exciting 11.51.05 # Zagor: I currently prefer working on key schemes. Seems there are enough people who crave for playlists so that I intend to relax on that topic. 11.51.29 # langhaarrocker: ok 11.52.34 # i'll be back sunday... 11.52.36 # night 11.52.52 # Zagor: But there's one thing I might split off and 'release' earlier: configurable ready fx screens without key schemes. 11.53.34 # how will you do that without key schemes? 11.54.36 # Basically I reused a command table that contains function pointers from key schemes for fn screens. I simply can hardcode these things for a while. 11.57.24 # ok 11.57.51 # Apart from the usb screen - Is screen.c used in the player at all? 12.01.27 # Trevlig helg på er! 12.01.29 Nick dwihno is now known as dw|gone (dwihno@Bald067.Baldakinen.Umea.SE) 12.01.54 # I think it might be a good idea to move the fn screens functionality to the apps/recorder directory. 12.01.56 # langhaarrocker: no 12.02.04 # but it could be, in the future 12.05.51 Quit langhaarrocker ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)") 12.12.54 Join Bagder [241] (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) 12.13.10 # Bagder: any word from linus yet? 12.13.20 # nope 12.15.55 # disk writing works quite well now. the test case is pretty thorough 12.16.16 # i just need to add mkdir and remove 12.16.23 # and long names, of course 12.19.12 Join probonic [0] (~phil@host217-35-13-207.in-addr.btopenworld.com) 12.24.40 # Zagor: Linus says 12:50 at the usual place 12.24.47 # ok 12.41.10 # lunch 12.41.14 Quit Bagder ("http://daniel.haxx.se") 12.50.16 Nick Zagor is now known as Zagor|lunch (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) 12.50.21 Quit Triple-z (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 12.50.56 Join Triple-z [0] (~Mp3@212.116.168.48.knet.co.il) 13.08.08 Join faethor [0] (faethor@host213-122-79-144.in-addr.btopenworld.com) 13.08.34 # hi guys.. 13.10.24 # herro 13.10.36 # ;D 13.13.31 # just thought I'd pop in to congratulate Zagor on getting the FAT writing almost done... but he ain't here... 13.13.56 # i think he's good ad skimming scrollbacks 13.14.17 # can't wait to record through line-in with no screen update noise.... that's bloody annoying... 13.15.55 # can anyone tell me how levels are in Sokoban... :D... getting tough now at level 63.. 13.16.13 # i've never actually tried recording. :) just use my ajbr for listening 13.17.44 # I have two questions: How do I display the peak meter? and Can I try the recording function in the daily builds or not? 13.18.47 # faethor: I think Zagor will be back in less than an hour, he left 30 minutes ago or something 13.19.27 # I'm after recording sounds to use in ym sampler.... I was really disappointed when I found that annoying screen update noise that occurs with the Archos FW also comes through on recording from line-in... 13.19.41 # although not with the internal mic or SP/DIF 13.20.34 # mem, meter is %pm in wps config 13.20.34 # How to try recording? Which keys to press? 13.20.54 # not aware that recording is available in recording, but maybe i missed something? 13.20.57 # kargatron: Okay, I haven't looked into the wps-config yet 13.21.12 # wps conf rocks 13.21.42 # never understood why people ever want bitrate/freq in their wps. :) 13.22.09 # but i'm sure others wouldn't know why i want genre. teto 13.22.14 # I do, probably coz I'm a bit of an audio geek 13.23.58 # as i am a musical context/classification geek. 13.24.42 # as such, i'm really starting to miss having Year available 13.26.06 # I gotta say though I find the file display limit a bit frusttrating, All my mp3s are properly named and I just use folders for genre (less hassle when driving)... the 400 file limit doesn't apply coz the filenames are usually pretty long, e.g "Queens of the Stone Age-Songs for the Deaf-08-go with the flow.mp3" so the folder list buffer runs out at about 270 files ... 13.26.42 # updating playlists when just copying a few new tunes to a folder is a hassle 13.26.47 # ack. couldn't deal with that no matter how unique my names were 13.26.57 # i want my folders. 13.27.07 # genre/artist/album 13.27.15 # teto again! 13.29.47 # yeah, but say you just wanna randomly play all your rock tracks you gotta have an up to date playlist for that, this is just extra maintainance when u add/remove files. Maybe I'm just lazy... 13.29.58 # ho hum 13.32.14 Join faethor_uk [0] (faethor@host213-122-13-57.in-addr.btopenworld.com) 13.32.25 # flippin dial-up suks too... :D 13.32.34 # just kicked me off 13.33.03 # kargatron: /me just created the first wps-config :-) 13.33.23 # I did remove the album line and then could I see the peek meter 13.33.30 # peak even 13.33.49 # with %pm on line 8, you can toggle it on/off with your status bar on/off 13.34.23 # or you could use 5x7 font, which give u 8 lines on screen... 13.34.26 # http://forums.funmp3players.com/forum/topic.asp?topic_id=5813&forum_id=8&Topic_Title=Your+Favorite+WPS+Setting&forum_title=General+%2D+Jukebox+Player%2FRecorder&M=False&S=True 13.34.32 # some examples there 13.34.45 # yikes, 5x7, have a magnifying glass overlay? :) 13.35.00 # uwe_prop's as small as I can handle 13.35.15 # true.. I use UWE_PROP meself 13.35.57 # kargatron: So smart, to just switch off the status bar 13.36.14 # %d1 13.36.14 # %s%fn 13.36.14 # Time: %pc/%pt 13.36.14 DBUG Enqueued KICK faethor_uk 13.36.14 # %fbkbit%fv %ffHz 13.36.14 # %pb 13.36.14 *** Alert Mode level 1 13.36.14 DBUG Enqueued KICK faethor 13.36.14 # Track %pp of %pe 13.36.16 # File Size: %fsKb 13.36.18 # %pm 13.36.27 Ctcp Ignored 2 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 13.36.27 # * mem realized that you can change wps-config while you're playing a song too 13.37.08 # * reaching new levels of geekosity 13.37.11 # now, filesize, THAT's abstruse info. :) 13.37.43 # I know.. :D 13.38.00 # i do want to see someone beat my line length for: %?iy<%iy />%?ig<%ig/%?d3<%?d4<%d4:>%d3/%d2>> 13.38.02 # :) 13.38.36 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.40.07 # I dont use ID3 tags coz I can't be bothered updatign the 80 or so percent of my 10000+ files with don't have descent ID3 info.. so I fill up the screen with Hz n shit 13.41.12 # again, call me lazy........ 13.42.02 # well, you can use conditionals, get the ID3 when it's there, ignore when not 13.42.03 # anyone think that cross-fading could be possible with rockbox..... works well with winamp 13.42.17 # already considered and rejected: 13.42.28 # crossfading needs two decoders, jb has only one 13.42.33 # iirc 13.42.34 # ahh 13.42.49 # hardware decoder, not soft 13.42.56 # sure 13.43.01 # also why ogg can't be handled 13.43.18 # (hardware limitation) 13.43.51 # kargatron: Couldn't Ogg be supported if someone knew howto download new software to the DSP? 13.44.26 # not enough mem, afaik 13.44.36 # Isn't it a generic DSP but we lack of documentation 13.44.39 # ogg evidently requires lots of mem just for lookup tables or something 13.44.44 # see the faq, all in there 13.44.48 # I am enough :-) 13.46.15 *** Alert Mode OFF 13.46.30 # Okay, Ogg maybe need to much mem. But .wav could be supported if we knew howto download "pass-through" code to the DSP, isn't that right at least? 13.47.22 # unfortunately, i'm only passing on meta-knowledge. not a techie, jb-wise 13.47.33 # thought faq addressed wav too 13.55.46 Quit faethor (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.58.58 Quit faethor_uk (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 14.00.51 Join faethor_uk [0] (faethor@host62-6-96-29.in-addr.btopenworld.com) 14.08.56 Nick Zagor|lunch is now known as Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) 14.11.04 Nick seb-sleep is now known as seb-school (trilluser@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 14.13.33 # congats on getting the FAT writing done Zagor.... any estimates on when us loyal Rockbox users will have some noise-free line-in recording? As my sampler needs some new HQ sounds... 14.16.09 # :( 14.16.37 # xO 14.24.25 # :-) 14.24.48 # well linus has pretty much finalized recording, so it should not be very long 14.25.43 # Whoa! Excellent news. 14.26.14 # cool as large cool thing... cheers 14.26.40 # can't say anything about the noise issue though. we'll just have to see. 14.26.44 # I got myself a new toy (double/upright bass) so I've been a bit too busy to hack on rockbox lately. 14.27.15 Quit tot () 14.27.49 # double/upright bass? what's that? 14.28.23 # double bass, or upright bass... think of the biggest violin that is standing upright 14.28.28 # contrabass 14.28.33 # ah, ok 14.28.48 # do you play? 14.29.01 # apparently yes. 8-) 14.29.10 # heh 14.29.26 # Been playing electric bass quite a lot before, and even more guitar... and a little piano & violing ages ago 14.29.29 # but *what* do you play? 14.29.32 # i saw some rap group yesterday consisting of a drummer, a bass player and a rapper. looked cool. 14.29.35 # I assumed It'd be pretty noise free as it's the same annoying screen update noise that is present in the Archos fireware when playing... this is not present when recording from the internal mic or SP/DIF, only the line-in. 14.29.39 # so it was pretty easy to start off 14.30.11 # faethor_uk: well, we can hope 14.31.06 # sure... well done on rockbox anyhoo... I'm off.. byee 14.31.17 # bye 14.31.26 Part faethor_uk 14.42.03 Join elinenbe2 [0] (~elinenbe@user-0cev121.cable.mindspring.com) 14.47.56 Join Bagder [241] (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) 15.11.16 Join TotMacher [0] (tot@ip115.rsidus.riege.de) 15.26.41 # Happy Nov. 1st!! 15.26.48 # :-) 15.27.12 # hey, question here. If linux chrashed hard, is there anywhere you can look at a log file to see what was going on? 15.27.29 # not until next boot 15.27.36 # well, that is what I mean/ 15.27.47 # it crashed hard. I can't do anything on the machine as it is! 15.28.11 # reboot and check /var/log/* 15.28.18 # cool 15.28.22 Nick elinenbe2 is now known as elinenbe (~elinenbe@user-0cev121.cable.mindspring.com) 15.38.38 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.56.00 Quit mecraw_ ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)") 16.26.03 # remove() added 16.26.15 # nice :) 16.26.29 # now I really will be able to delete all my shizz... 16.27.05 # Zagor: Is LinusN checking out your progress? Maybe he can put his recording code into action! 16.27.51 # he is informed. unfortunately, he is a bit occupied with private stuff right now. 16.28.03 # he has babies! 16.28.10 # exactly 16.28.48 # gads, some priorities, people? sometimes people forget what's important in life. Rockbox! 16.28.59 # hehe 16.34.57 # gotta go 16.34.57 Part Zagor 16.39.57 Join GissXC [0] (gissehel@AFontenayssB-105-1-3-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) 16.43.28 Quit Giss|XC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.59.11 Quit TotMacher () 17.02.46 Join TotMacher [0] (tot@ip115.rsidus.riege.de) 17.04.13 Part elinenbe 17.09.09 # It's time to finish up and start the weekend! 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