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00.27.26 #       <faethor_uk> ho hum
00.27.31 #       <Zagor> hi
00.28.02 #       <faethor_uk> hi Zagor, I noticed u got my thanx for the lack of RTC noise on line-in recordings
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00.28.17 #       <Zagor> ah, that was you?
00.28.29 #       <faethor_uk> sweatshopsarecool... yes
00.28.38 #       <faethor_uk> :)
00.29.02 #       <Zagor> :-) i'm glad to hear our recordings are better too
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00.29.52 #       <Zagor> faethor_uk: did you have any trouble with your recording test? error messages or such?
00.30.04 #       <faethor_uk> well done.. I been getting plenty of descent sample recordings through a powered mic with no probs on yesterdays build
00.30.26 #       <LinusN> faethor_uk: great to hear
00.30.27 #       <faethor_uk> not yet
00.31.54 #       <faethor_uk> not tried recording for any substantial length of time yet tho.. I've done short recordings to feed my sampler
00.32.58 #       <LinusN> how long?
00.34.16 #       <faethor_uk> about 5 mins average
00.34.28 #       <LinusN> that's pretty long, methinks
00.35.16 #       <faethor_uk> :D mainly capturing sounds to mould into percussion samples
00.35.31 #       <LinusN> aha
00.36.29 #       <faethor_uk> I'll be trying it out at a few concerts soon, so time will tell
00.36.52 #       <LinusN> make sure you do scandisk first
00.37.21 #       <faethor_uk> OK  ;)
00.39.32 #       <faethor_uk> anywayz, I'm off... see ya chaps..
00.39.44 #       <Zagor> bye
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01.14.40 #       <MartaV> anyone here?
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01.19.12 #       <Zagor> i was here. i'm off to bed now.
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05.28.53 #       <saltydog> Hello all. 
05.29.46 #       <saltydog> If anyone is listening, I have a question/possible bug with the 1.4 recorder firmware.
05.32.22 #       <saltydog> Well, I'll say it anyway, since you are logging this stuff...
05.33.10 #       <saltydog> I didn't see any mention of this on your site, or in the release notes for 1.4 recorder, but 
05.34.13 #       <saltydog> I lose access to all of my MP3 files encoded with VBR. They won't even show up in the directory. 
05.35.09 #       <saltydog> They are clearly music files, so choosing "music files only" shouldn't matter, right?
05.36.17 #       <saltydog> .
05.36.59 #       <saltydog> Oh well, anyway, that's what I observed. Perhaps I missed something somewhere? 
05.37.31 #       <saltydog> Feel free to ask questions/flame away at this address;
05.37.39 #       <henryishere> i have vbr's that owrk fine
05.37.52 #       <saltydog> Hello. 
05.38.07 #       <saltydog> How do you have your files listes?
05.38.22 #       <saltydog> All supported, music only, or all files?
05.38.37 #       <saltydog> Oops... I meant listed.
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05.39.30 #       <saltydog> I'm going to try it again, and change the listing method.
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08.03.14 #       <Schnueff> moin
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08.04.04 #       <dwihno> Ah. Wonderful wednesday! :D
08.04.05 #       <Bagder> morning
08.04.17 #       <Schnueff> yes
08.06.19 #       <dwihno> Good mooooning Bagder! :D
08.06.44 #       <Bagder> :-)
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08.07.26 #       * dwihno has been up for several hours *eww*
08.09.07 #       <Schnueff> why's that
08.09.20 #       <dwihno> Went to bed early
08.09.23 #       <dwihno> Sick, huh? :)
08.16.24 #       <dwihno> Bagder: wanna hear something silly?
08.16.37 #       <Bagder> I do I do I do!
08.17.53 #       <dwihno> :D
08.18.09 #       <dwihno> Well, I tried getting my archos (and USB2 disk box) to work under DOS last night
08.18.31 #       <dwihno> The software worked partially - it did only show one directory
08.18.41 #       <dwihno> still allowing cd:ing and type:ing :/
08.20.11 #       <Bagder> !
08.20.49 #       <dwihno> fishy huh?
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08.30.04 #       <Bagder> work off-line all day today
08.30.06 #       <Bagder> see ya
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08.41.24 #       <henryishere> why u wanna connect in dos anyhow?
08.41.46 #       <dwihno> just to check if it's truly possible
08.41.56 #       <dwihno> imagine the usage for dos boxes (i.e - using ghost etc)
08.43.51 #       <henryishere> not really
08.43.59 #       <henryishere> whats the pointo fo a dos box anymore?
08.44.28 #       <henryishere> a celron 300 box costs liek 100$ prolly
08.44.37 #       <henryishere> why use anythign less
08.44.54 #       <dwihno> Sorry, I ment booting DOS
08.44.58 #       <henryishere> hel; werent there some dell p2's for 50$ the other day
08.44.59 #       <henryishere> oh ok
08.45.05 #       <dwihno> for transfering disk images using norton ghost
08.45.11 #       <henryishere> gotcha
08.45.19 #       <henryishere> that might almost be remotely valid
08.45.27 #       <henryishere> i dont mess w/ images tho
08.45.36 #       <henryishere> i prefer reinstalls when i make new boxes
08.45.37 #       <dwihno> Well, I do :)
08.45.40 #       <dwihno> Every once in a while
08.45.47 #       <henryishere> well to each their own i guess
08.46.04 #       <henryishere> for me, reinstall is easy, cuz ll my data resides on the raid server in the closet
08.46.21 #       <henryishere> so i can format any of my boot drives at any time and lose nothing
08.46.55 #       <henryishere> i find comfort in that i guess
08.47.36 #       <dwihno> ah
08.47.47 #       <dwihno> Different solutions for different people, I guess :)
08.47.50 #       <henryishere> to many radom drive deaths
08.47.56 #       <henryishere> yes indeed
08.48.08 #       <henryishere> hrm, snack ime
08.48.12 #       <henryishere> *tome
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09.58.42 #       <kargatron> oops, Zagor, duped your comment on that cfg request. 
09.58.45 #       <kargatron> oh well
09.59.21 #       <Zagor> no problem
10.08.40 #       <dwihno> Zagor: since you're mr. fat32, tell me why I barely saw any files using the DOS USB stuff last night :)
10.09.05 #       <Zagor> ?
10.09.20 #       <dwihno> I downloaded some USB stack
10.09.25 #       <Zagor> you tried the dos usb driver on your archos, and it didn't work?
10.09.31 #       <dwihno> It worked partially
10.09.39 #       <dwihno> I could type the playlists, cd into the directories
10.09.47 #       <dwihno> but when dir:ing I saw nothing
10.10.04 #       <Zagor> does your dos understand fat32?
10.10.45 #       <dwihno> yea
10.10.49 #       <dwihno> My C: is fat32
10.10.53 #       <dwihno> (which works)
10.11.03 #       <Zagor> which dos are you using?
10.15.24 #       <dwihno> Win98SE boot disk
10.15.39 #       <dwihno> I think it's the driver which isn't fully compatible
10.15.54 #       <dwihno> I downloaded a newer version today which I'll try tonight
10.16.07 #       <Zagor> ok
10.16.21 #       <Zagor> but the driver handles low-level disk I/O, not the file system
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10.28.26 #       <dwihno> Zagor: interesting... :|
10.29.05 #       <Zagor> dwihno: on the other hand, we're talking about DOS here so normal rules don't apply. that driver could very well do everything on its own
10.31.37 #       <dwihno> Yeah, DOS is full of surprises
10.32.12 #       <dwihno> I guess trying the newer driver might be worth a shot
10.32.18 #       <Zagor> yup
10.32.58 #       <dwihno> USB in DOS is a bit exotic :-)
10.33.00 #       <dwihno> And cute!
10.33.10 #       <dwihno> Imagine being able to use it with applications such as ghost
10.33.13 #       <dwihno> and partition magic
10.33.33 #       <dwihno> How is the unlocking done in software btw?
10.33.50 #       <Zagor> i must admin I don't quite see the point. what does DOS give you that Linux doesn't?
10.33.57 #       <Zagor> unlock?
10.34.07 #       <Zagor> ah, it's a special ATA command
10.36.30 #       <dwihno> ah, okay
10.36.38 #       <dwihno> DOS being able to do anything might do the trick in assembly
10.36.57 #       <Zagor> i guess
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10.44.46 #       <dwihno> What is the command?
10.45.44 #       <dwihno> I need the command captain! :)
10.46.08 #       <Zagor> 0xf2
10.46.50 #       <Zagor> SECURITY UNLOCK is the name
10.50.40 #       <dwihno> WE GOT THE COMMAND SEQUENCE!!! :)
10.51.11 #       <dwihno> I'll see if I can come up with anything tonight
10.53.10 #       <dwihno> Then I'll need some volunteers ;)
10.53.38 #       <dwihno> but if the driver works as it should, the plain old utility should work
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11.30.43 #       <kargatron> have any of the rockbox devs ever seen the sound-stops/playing-continues problem?  Have there been any attempts at code diagnosis?  An error-handling problem?
11.31.23 #       <Zagor> we never get it. it's very strange.
11.31.32 #       <Zagor> more debugging is needed
11.31.43 #       <kargatron> have you tried making it skip?  
11.31.46 #       <kargatron> that's when I see it
11.32.00 #       <kargatron> a jolt, sound stops, wait long enough, and sound comes back -
11.32.17 #       <kargatron> i think upon buffer refresh (my anecdotal analysis)
11.32.48 #       <Zagor> as I wrote in a mail, i keep in in my handlebar while riding my bike. it jolts A LOT in there, yet I never get skips or any other problem.
11.33.12 #       <kargatron> hm, probably hardware disk-reading susceptibility differences
11.33.24 #       <Zagor> that is not to say this is not a problem, only that I have failed to repeat it myself
11.33.26 #       <kargatron> you must have a good one.
11.33.35 #       <Zagor> could be
11.33.37 #       <kargatron> mine's not so hard to disturb
11.34.23 #       <kargatron> if i have it in a floppy pocket, i could expect it to happen while walking
11.37.39 #       <kargatron> let's say you *did* see it in such circumstances (like, jolting it on your desk) - could you get good debugging out of that?  I mean, see what happens to cut the sound out?
11.42.00 #       <kargatron> perhaps i can ask another way - can *I* reproduce it and then via the debug panel, pass on useful info? :)
11.43.02 #       <Zagor> "As you may know, RockBox has been has reversed engineered our Jukebox Players and Recorders. They have been developing firmware for our units for over a year. We choose to approach them and enlist their help in developing new firmware." -- Archos US
11.43.07 #       <Zagor> WTF!?!
11.43.39 #       <dwihno> (?!)
11.43.44 #       <dwihno> What is that?
11.43.46 #       <dwihno> WHAT YOU SAY?
11.43.50 #       <Zagor> good question
11.43.51 #       <dwihno> SOMEONE SET UP US THE BOMB!
11.44.04 #       <dwihno> Where did you read that?
11.44.26 #       <Hadaka> wot
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11.45.00 #       <Zagor> on the JBMMFirmware forum. someone mailed archos US and asked about open source, and got that response
11.45.18 #       <PsycoXul> haha
11.45.41 #       <Zagor> the thing is they HAVEN'T approach us. would we turn them down without discussion? hell no!
11.45.54 #       <dwihno> They are lying!
11.46.00 #       <dwihno> Reply to the originator!
11.46.07 #       <PsycoXul> well they said they choose to
11.46.09 #       <Zagor> did already
11.46.21 #       <PsycoXul> maybe they haven't gotten any further than deciding yet :p
11.46.21 #       <Zagor> they say more:
11.46.29 #       <dwihno> "If you help us that much, give us the damned MAS specs!" :)
11.46.38 #       <PsycoXul> hehe
11.46.38 #       <Zagor> "In exchange for the source code and instructions, the owners want RockBox to sign an agreement that basically says 'The firmware will not be used in another commercial product except Archos'. RockBox was unwilling to accept this limitation."
11.46.48 #       <PsycoXul> haha
11.47.07 #       <dwihno> Fucked up! :)
11.47.08 #       <kargatron> how bizarre - someone, somewhere is just making that up?
11.47.26 #       <dwihno> It might be a spoof
11.47.33 #       <dwihno> On ther other hand, it may be not.
11.47.36 #       <Zagor> I think that archos guy has mistaken a long ranger as talking for Rockbox
11.47.40 #       <Zagor> lone ranger
11.47.59 #       <Zagor> i know some retailers have spoken to archos about opening the source.
11.48.11 #       <dwihno> without success?
11.48.34 #       <dwihno> their source code is probably just hacked together by the specs provided by the HW manufacturers :)
11.48.37 #       <Zagor> i don't know. i assumed they would talk to me if they were interested...
11.48.43 #       <Zagor> i haven't heard anything
11.49.31 #       <PsycoXul> dwihno: my guess is that, at least for players, it is a messy hack/glue job of example code from the various component vendor's sdk's or whatever
11.49.47 #       <kargatron> has rockbox 'officially' requested info from archos?
11.49.51 #       <kargatron> specs, etc
11.49.53 #       <Zagor> kargatron: no
11.50.35 #       <PsycoXul> that'd be sweet if archos really is interested in helping rockbox along and provides some info on programming the MAS chips
11.50.56 #       <dwihno> *nods*
11.52.51 #       <kargatron> still, regarding the agreement mentioned above, rockbox still wouldn't accept it, right?  The agreement seems to basically bar code-reuse for other products.
11.53.25 #       <kargatron> Or maybe, literally, it's a meaningless restriction, since the firmware as a whole wouldn't be useful on any other product?
11.53.59 #       <Zagor> we are already under GPL so it's a bit late trying to put the cat back in the bag...
11.54.14 #       <dwihno> :-)
11.54.16 #       <Zagor> but I would appreciate discussing it with them
11.54.37 #       <dwihno> <Zagor> Show me the money!
11.54.38 #       <Zagor> i don't think it would be difficult getting them to see the obvious benefits
11.54.44 #       <dwihno> <Archos-dude> I'll give you cash :-)
11.55.02 #       <Zagor> dwihno: I've got plenty of money, thanks. That's not the issue.
11.56.25 #       <kargatron> Zagor, on my debugging qstn above?  can i feasibly  provide useful info, if I can dupe the problem?
11.56.55 #       <Zagor> kargatron: just a good description of how you can make it happen would be useful
11.58.29 #       <kargatron> really?  i mean, take my above description, and add "30% of the time I jolt it on my desk it happens" (for example) - that would really help? :)  doesn't seem like much...
11.58.53 #       <dwihno> Zagor: Where's the sense of humour :)
11.59.07 #       <Zagor> dwihno: here it is: 8-D
11.59.08 #       <Zagor> ;)
11.59.20 #       <dwihno> Here it is: :-|
12.01.50 #       <dwihno> Zagor: perhaps the Archos people are scared because of the RockBox progress? :)
12.02.52 #       <Zagor> :)
12.04.03 #       <dwihno> Now if we only could program that MAS!
12.04.18 #       <dwihno> I want recording to be done in a RAW format without lossy compression for editing later on
12.05.47 #       <kargatron> how much is a run-of-the-mill portable DAT nowadays?
12.06.11 #       <Zagor> dwihno: you can't do 44.1kHz 16 bit anyway. the serial port is too slow
12.06.13 #       <kargatron> i figured the recorder aspect was only really atttractive because it *did* compress on the fly.
12.07.01 #       <dwihno> Zagor: *sigh* I guess you can't have everything :)
12.07.12 #       <dwihno> Not that I bought the unit for the recording feature :-)
12.09.22 #       <Zagor> What I really want is Multimedia docs. That machine has great hardware.
12.10.24 #       <Zagor> anyway, i'm off for lunch
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13.37.16 #       <kosh> Zagor: I'm on here now so if you need any info on the recording woes I have been posting here's a direct line ;)
13.41.28 #       <Zagor> ah, good
13.42.21 #       <Zagor> do you get the panic every time you record?
13.44.22 #       <kosh> Nope.. the panic is gone.. got it only once.. but I still cannot record ..
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13.44.51 #       <Zagor> do you get any error messages at all?
13.45.53 #       <kosh> no.. I got a recfile: -2 on the first build with recording after I hit play/pause a second time by accident. This was after recording a fulle 80 minute MD to the archos..
13.46.26 #       <kosh> Hang on a sec.. I will try a mic recording.. not  that I think that would mae a difference but hey..
13.46.55 #       <kosh> Oeps... have to wait until ths surface check finishes..
13.47.09 #       <Zagor> and Norton DiskDoctor says the disk is clean and uncorrupt before you start recording?
13.47.35 #       <kosh> Yes.. just to be sure I am running a full surface check now.. but I am pretty sure it's ok..
13.50.36 #       <kosh> It's halfway now.. I'll be back when it's done..
13.50.49 #       <Zagor> ok
13.58.27 #       <kosh> Surface test came up with no errors.. I will reformat the disc anyway and try on a clean disc.. any info from teh debug screen you might want..
14.01.42 #       <Zagor> no, try the clean-disk approach first.
14.02.35 #       <kosh> ok.. I'll be back ...;)
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14.23.40 #       <dwihno> Yum! Lunch!
14.23.45 #       * dwihno found some buns in the fik too!
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14.39.40 #       <kosh> Zagor: OK.. I guess I found what was wrong.. maybe I misread, but recording stereo is (not yet) possible.. If I do a mono recording it works. As soon as I select stereo the recorder starts, after a second or two the red LED comes on and stays on. Pressing OFF the record icon changes to the stop icon, but the led stays on. Turning off is the only way out (recorder does not recover from record mode). file is (obviously) corrupt.
14.40.17 #       <Zagor> ok, that's useful info. i'll tell Linus
14.41.15 #       <kosh> I will do the full MD recording in mono anyway to see what happens.. see how it handles a shitload of input ;)
14.42.42 #       <Zagor> yeah, it's a good test
14.43.01 #       <kosh> Oh... another thing .. when I record in stereo mode the meters update REAL slow, about 1/4 of the normal frequency
14.43.36 #       * dwihno gets everybody some buns and hot choco
14.43.54 #       <Zagor> kosh: ok
14.44.04 #       <Zagor> dwihno: hot buns with choco? ;)
14.47.40 #       <dwihno> Zagor: Yaa :D
14.47.43 #       <dwihno> It's yumyum
14.47.51 #       <dwihno> :-)
14.47.56 #       <dwihno> Or are you trying to be funny?
14.47.58 #       <dwihno> (you are not) :)
14.48.19 #       <dwihno> thou must master thy skill of funniness! :)
14.48.57 #       <Zagor> my skill is far too subtle for your apprentice mind :)
14.49.38 #       <dwihno> blahblahblah
14.49.39 #       <dwihno> :)
14.51.47 #       <kosh> ZAGOR: got a *PANIC* Timeout: 0 after about 30 seconds
14.52.46 #       <dwihno> :O
14.52.47 #       <dwihno> PANIC!
14.52.48 #       <Zagor> that's an mpeg error too
14.52.57 #       <dwihno> Zagor: for gods sake! do something about the panic!
14.53.04 #       <Zagor> DON'T PANIC
14.53.05 #       <Zagor> ;)
14.54.06 #       <dwihno> TOO LATE RUTH!
14.54.08 #       <dwihno> :O
14.54.22 #       <kosh> If I play the file it starts skipping through it.. plays 2 seconds, jumps 5 seconds forward..plays a bit and returns to the start..
14.55.02 #       <kosh> Hmmmm now its keeps playing (now at 50 seconds while the file is 17 seconds long..)
14.55.24 #       <Zagor> kosh: the time info is incorrect. linus has said that from the beginning.
14.55.31 #       <Zagor> we don't write time info into the file
14.55.34 #       <kosh> And at 1:00 it starts over again
14.55.45 #       <Zagor> the sound or the time display?
14.56.11 #       <kosh> the time display.. Oh well the joys of new features.. ;)
15.03.38 #       <kosh> Zagor: 2nd attempt and still recording.. Would the spindown time have any influence.. I record with poweradaptor plugged in so I might as well not spin down.. 
15.03.56 #       <Zagor> spindown should not matter
15.04.01 #       <kosh> ok
15.04.22 #       <Zagor> but the recording code is Linus' creation. I haven't looked much at it yet.
15.04.27 #       <Zagor> i'm doing the file write code
15.04.50 #       <kosh> ok... well sofar the file is being written so.. ;)
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15.18.14 #       <kosh> Zagor: Well.. I'll get back on this when Linus is around.. Just recorded two 7 minute tracks in one go. Ended up with a file about 2:30 long which has the first part of the first track and then skips to the start of the second. In short.. I am missing about 10 minutes which were not recorded..
15.18.41 #       <Zagor> are you listening, or just looking at the timer?
15.19.00 #       <Zagor> ignore the time display. it is wrong.
15.20.23 #       <kosh> I am listening.. and I timed it.. Winamp displays the correct playtime.. have not checked on the archos yet.. It just appears a whole chunk was not recorded.. I did not see the LED come on for a long time so that's why I stopped the recording.. I assume the red led should come on every once in a while (when the buffer needs to be written..
15.20.50 #       <Zagor> yes, about once per 70-90 seconds.
15.21.26 #       <Zagor> how big is the file, in MB
15.21.30 #       <kosh> Did not happen.. The recorded file has about 1:30 of the first track.. then it just skips to the beginning of the next
15.21.53 #       <kosh> the file is 3210 Kbytes
15.22.34 #       <Zagor> ok
15.22.59 #       <Zagor> write a detailed mail to the list. that's the best way.
15.23.13 #       <kosh> ok.. I will..
15.23.49 #       <kargatron> i haven't been keeping track of recording - you can record multiple tracks now?
15.23.59 #       <kargatron> > Just recorded two 7 minute tracks in one go
15.24.08 #       <kargatron> or did he mean he was overwriting the second?
15.24.49 #       <kosh> Nope.. I just hit record on the archos and play on the MD.. I then wait.... and after two tracks on the MD had played I quit recording..
15.26.36 #       <kargatron> oh ok
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15.56.10 #       <Zagor> kargatron: have you tried tightening your battery springs?
15.56.57 #       <kargatron> uh, nope
15.57.15 #       <kargatron> never had any indication i needed to mess with the hardware
15.57.41 #       <kargatron> except for when i had to get a cat hair from underneath the display screen. :)
15.57.41 #       <Zagor> that could be the cause of your jolt problem
15.57.54 #       <kargatron> you mean a power blip?
15.57.57 #       <Zagor> yes
15.58.15 #       <kargatron> do you happen to understand how a power blip could cause the audio interrupt?
15.59.00 #       <kargatron> and is there anything to 'tightening the batter springs'?  most springs are not configurable, ime :)
15.59.26 #       <Zagor> if a power blip causes the drive to reset itself, we might hang on the read
15.59.54 #       <Zagor> just remove your batteries and pull slightly on the spring so it presses more firmly on the batteries
16.00.18 #       <kargatron> and, and since the timer is actually not related to the actual data, it's just cruising along, regardless of the data flow?
16.00.24 #       <kargatron> ah, ok, will try, why not
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16.03.33 #       <dwihno> Zagor: you did a pretty bad change to the pitch when forcing the user to combine on+right+up to increase the pitch by 2% :(
16.03.58 #       <Zagor> our resident DJs loves it...
16.04.21 #       <dwihno> should be configurable at least
16.04.50 #       <dwihno> 0.1% steps are imho too small
16.06.13 #       <Zagor> submit a patch
16.07.31 #       <dwihno> nah, I'm too lazy :)
16.07.46 #       <kargatron> Zagor, is there (conceptual) room for improving the read error-handling?
16.07.58 #       <kargatron> i.e. did you code it to be as flexible as it could be,
16.08.04 #       <Zagor> no, it's very simple
16.08.40 #       <kargatron> ah, so just waiting on demonstrated need for more flexibility.
16.08.42 #       <kargatron> that's good to know
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16.31.21 #       <Atifear> Hi
16.31.36 #       <Zagor> hi Atifear
16.32.08 #       <Atifear> I've got a problem when i try to recompile, can anybody help me?
16.33.15 #       <Zagor> what is your problem?
16.34.34 #       <Atifear> when the program is using the file adc.o i've got a lot of errors about a temp file ccPJ50hc.s
16.34.53 #       <Atifear> but with the others file it works fine
16.34.54 #       <Zagor> which environment are you using?
16.34.58 #       <Atifear> cygwin
16.35.08 #       <Zagor> strange
16.35.13 #       <Atifear> i ve installed teh full version
16.35.20 #       <Atifear> 1.20go :s
16.35.30 #       <Zagor> !
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16.36.34 #       <Atifear> i m disgusted cauz i managed to apply the patch but i can t recompile :(
16.37.25 #       <Zagor> did the patch change adc.c?
16.37.33 #       <Atifear> nope
16.37.49 #       <Zagor> so the clean source doesn't compile either?
16.37.51 #       <Atifear> jbut with the non-patched version ive the same problem
16.38.38 #       <Atifear> I ve got the 1.4 source, maybe an another version.......
16.39.21 #       <Zagor> i don't know. i've never seen this problem, but also I have never used cygwin :-)
16.39.27 #       <Atifear> ah i see
16.39.42 #       <Zagor> you could mail the list and see if someone else knows what this might be
16.39.51 #       <Atifear> sigh, the patch is the only thing i need to use Rockbox
16.40.16 #       <Atifear> I ll try to download th last version trought CVS
16.40.32 #       <Zagor> which patch is it? queue?
16.40.44 #       <Atifear> yeah
16.40.54 #       <Atifear> I use a lot the playlist option
16.41.01 #       <Atifear> in the original firware
16.41.10 #       <Zagor> ok
16.42.31 #       <Atifear> Do you know  if somebody has already compiled the patched source ?
16.42.45 #       <Zagor> not for player
16.42.52 #       <Zagor> that is, I don
16.43.03 #       <Zagor> 't know if anyone has compiled it for player
16.43.17 #       <Atifear> okay
16.43.37 #       <Atifear> The tutorial about using CVS is only for linux?
16.43.53 #       <Zagor> it's for the command-line version of cvs
16.44.10 #       <Atifear> where can i found it?
16.44.22 #       <Atifear> i found sorry
16.44.26 #       <Zagor> :-)
16.45.17 #       <Atifear> arf wat is .rpm file?
16.45.26 #       <Zagor> .rpm is for linux
16.45.41 #       <Atifear> can i use it with cygwin?
16.45.47 #       <Zagor> no
16.45.59 #       <Atifear> ok
16.48.20 #       <Atifear> can i download the lastest source without cvs?
16.50.12 #       <Zagor> only a daily snapshot
16.50.28 #       <Zagor> http://rockbox.haxx.se/daily/rockbox-daily-20021113.tar.gz
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16.51.27 #       <Atifear> thx
16.51.42 #       <Atifear> what is the difference?
16.52.07 #       <Zagor> a lot :-)
16.52.48 #       <Atifear> i m trying with it
16.53.17 #       <Zagor> ok
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16.55.05 #       <Atifear> :'(
16.55.43 #       <Atifear> Error: Invalid character      Error: no such instruction 'rts'......
16.55.57 #       <Atifear> this is an example of errors i see about this ******* temp file
16.56.11 #       <Zagor> you are using a sh-1 compiler, right?
16.56.19 #       <Atifear> right
16.56.50 #       <Zagor> strange. sorry I can't be of more help.
16.57.06 #       <Atifear> isn't it beacaus of windows?
16.57.21 #       <Zagor> it should work with cygwin
16.59.09 #       <Atifear> is there others compilers?
16.59.37 #       <Zagor> there's the GNUSH package. http://rockbox.haxx.se/sh-win/
17.00.37 #       <Atifear> Ive downloaded it
17.00.52 #       <Atifear> and there isnt sh-elf-gcc
17.01.50 #       <Atifear> ive put it but i ve got an error
17.01.57 #       <Atifear>  sigh, again
17.02.18 #       <Zagor> ok
17.02.29 #       <Zagor> linux is always the easiest way :-)
17.02.46 #       <Atifear> zsh: permission denied?
17.02.52 #       <Atifear> what is it?
17.03.12 #       <Zagor> it can be a lot of different things
17.03.50 #       <Atifear> i know but i don t want to (i dont know how to say "partitionner") my hd
17.07.43 #       <Atifear> if i had an another computer,...... lol 
17.08.01 #       <Zagor> :-) you could get a second harddisk
17.09.22 #       <Atifear> I ve got and usb harddisk , an mp3 player
17.09.28 #       <Atifear> but usb is too slow
17.09.33 #       <Zagor> yes
17.10.45 #       <Atifear> sigh
17.14.22 #       <Atifear> but if i run it under ms-dos maybe......
17.14.41 #       <Atifear> arf but cygwin isnt an msdos application
17.15.40 #       <Atifear> Error: Invalid character      Error: no such instruction 'rts'
17.16.05 #       <Atifear> that might be becaus of windows that wrote a file in windows 'language'
17.16.09 #       <Atifear> no?
17.16.21 #       <Zagor> could be
17.16.32 #       <Atifear> ******* windows :@
17.18.10 #       <Atifear> if i install linux, i have to 'partitionner' my hd?
17.18.21 #       <Zagor> yes. or use a different hd
17.18.34 #       <Atifear> arf
17.18.41 #       <Zagor> disks are cheap
17.19.00 #       <Atifear> in France not 
17.19.01 #       <Atifear> lol
17.19.07 #       <Zagor> no?
17.19.29 #       <Atifear> yes
17.19.51 #       <Atifear> with mandarake linux, can i install it with only the 2 firsts cds?
17.20.37 #       <Zagor> i don't know. I run debian myself
17.20.44 #       <Atifear> okay
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17.24.38 #       <kosh> Zagor: I hope my post to the list will be detailed enough ;)
17.24.59 #       <Zagor> it looks good
17.25.59 #       <kosh> I noticed on the last try the first buffer is written and then it appears everything is discarded until you hit off and whatever is in the buffer then get's written..
17.26.20 #       <Zagor> odd
17.26.54 #       <kosh> yup.
17.27.41 #       <kosh> I must say I have had some weird stuff happen when using the archos FW also.. Not the same stuff. But I cannot even record at 48KHz.. the Archos FW goes bezerk then..
17.28.46 #       <kosh> On 44K1 is goes Ok most of the time, but sometime the archos FW just locks up or starts skipping . other times I can record for 5-6 hours without a hitch.. 
17.30.20 #       <kosh> I will let the archos record on the mic for a while.. see what happens..
17.31.24 #       <Atifear> Whats the best prog for doing partitions?
17.31.51 #       <Zagor> Atifear: partition magic is pretty standard
17.32.09 #       <Atifear> okay
17.32.15 #       <kosh> Disk management on windows XP works quiet nicely as well.. 
17.32.49 #       <Atifear> iùm on 98 :d
17.33.16 #       <kosh> in that case.. Partition Magic
17.34.30 #       <Atifear> okay
17.34.54 #       <Atifear> Ive got to go, Thaks for your help zagor ang kosh!!!!!
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22.33.19 #       <Bagder> hey
22.35.43 #       <Zagor> hi
22.36.22 #       <Bagder> I got an interesting spam today
22.36.36 #       <Zagor> Oooh, we love spam.
22.36.45 #       <Bagder> I decided to check why my filter didn't catch it
22.36.55 #       <Bagder> look at this:
22.37.00 #       <Bagder> As se<!--5-->en on NB<!--D-->C, CBS, and CN<!--H-->N, and even Opr<!--D-->ah!
22.37.09 #       <Bagder> and
22.37.11 #       <Bagder> been report<!--daniel-->ed on by the Ne<!--test-->w Engl<!---->and
22.37.18 #       <Zagor> !?!
22.37.31 #       <Bagder> a serious attempt to confuse spam filters I bet
22.37.48 #       <Zagor> interesting
22.38.03 #       <Bagder> they've added that <!--daniel--> all over
22.40.02 #       <Zagor> btw, I got kompetens.dfs@home.se closed down yesterday :-)
22.40.34 #       <Zagor> "Dataföreningen Kompetens"
22.41.08 #       <Bagder> hunt down all spammers! ;-)
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22.47.54 #       <Bagder> I think I have a spam record today
22.48.06 #       <LinusN> oh, did you spam many people?
22.48.13 #       <Bagder> yeah :-P
22.48.47 #       <Bagder> 57 spams yday and today
22.48.55 #       <Bagder> so far
22.49.12 #       <LinusN> wow
22.51.12 #       <Zagor> there was some interesting talk on the JBMMFirmware list today
22.52.14 #       <Zagor> someone got a mail from an Archos US representative, claiming we had been offered the source but declined
22.52.27 #       <Bagder> hah
22.53.01 #       <LinusN> we don't need no steenkin source!
22.53.03 #       <Zagor> I'm trying to reach the guy to see what has really happened
22.53.16 #       <Zagor> LinusN: it would be nice for MM
22.53.36 #       <LinusN> yeah
22.54.03 #       <Bagder> Blaine Greenman
22.54.14 #       <Bagder> call him! ;-)
22.55.38 #       <LinusN> i guess he declined necause they wanted him to sign an NDA and sell his soul to the devil :-)
22.56.03 #       <Zagor> who is "he" ?
22.56.13 #       <Zagor> that's what I want to know
22.56.15 #       <Bagder> I think he dreamt it
22.56.59 #       <Zagor> no, I think he has talked to one of the US retailers selling archos. I have talked to one of them about Archos and Open Source.
22.57.12 #       <Bagder> possibly
22.57.27 #       <Zagor> pretty odd 
22.58.04 #       <Zagor> LinusN: paul reformatted before recording. he was in here when he did it.
22.58.20 #       <LinusN> ok
22.58.25 #       <kosh> I'm here again..:)
22.58.30 #       <Zagor> ah!
22.58.55 #       <kosh> good to see you all ... glad we can do more then just translations..;)
22.59.58 #       <kosh> So I guess you read about my test..
23.00.04 #       <LinusN> i did
23.01.31 #       <kosh> I tried another few things, but end uup with the same thing.. either a lockup/panic or a 2k+ file with the first 100 seconds plus the remaining bit in the buffer it seems.. weird..
23.02.10 #       <kosh> that should be 2MB+ file
23.03.09 #       <Zagor> kosh: was it always PANIC Timeout: 0 ?
23.03.32 #       <LinusN> kosh: which firmware version did you run?
23.03.38 #       <LinusN> bleeding edge of today?
23.03.59 Ctcp    Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
23.03.59 #       * LinusN spots a huge bug in the mpeg file saving code...
23.04.00 #       <kosh> either that or Updating reserved FAT entry 0
23.04.15 #       <kosh> lemme check..
23.04.21 #       <Zagor> kosh: you still get that, after reformat?
23.05.00 #       <kosh> its more likely to happen if I delete the file through windows instead of let the archos overwrite it seems
23.05.35 #       <kosh> I use CVS21113-1001
23.05.38 #       <Zagor> hmm
23.06.40 #       <kosh> I tried disabling both recycle bin and Restore on the archos.. the only thing I can think of now is it might have something to do with the fact I have a 2nd NTFS partition on the archos
23.06.47 #       <kosh> but I doubt it
23.07.31 #       <Zagor> well it could, theoretically, be a bug in rockbox... :-)
23.07.46 #       <Bagder> naaaah
23.07.55 #       <Bagder> a bug? in rockbox?
23.08.02 #       <kosh> Nah.. not possible.. Rockbox only has undocumented features
23.08.04 #       <LinusN> that would be a first
23.08.24 #       * LinusN spots a huge undocumented feature in the mpeg file saving code...
23.09.01 #       <kosh> :)
23.09.34 #       <kosh> See.. I told you
23.09.48 #       <LinusN> bla, it wasn't a bug
23.11.18 #       <kosh> LinusN: saw your message on the list.. after every *PANIC* I ran norton discdoctor.. and get:
23.11.19 #       <kosh> \RECORD.MP3  first allocation unit is not valid. The entry will be
23.11.19 #       <kosh> truncated.
23.11.30 #       <LinusN> saw that after i posted...
23.11.55 #       <LinusN> interesting
23.12.01 #       <LinusN> was it like that every time?
23.12.10 #       <kosh> after that everything turns up OK. no problems.. untill I get  a panic again
23.13.36 #       <kosh> Yes, everytime I get a panic (either the timeout ofr updating reserved FAT entry 0)
23.13.41 #       <LinusN> and the disk is empty, except for ajbrec.ajz?
23.13.50 #       <kosh> plus the .rockbox dir
23.14.11 #       <kosh> it's the stock HD
23.18.15 #       <Bagder> you can yield() fine in the sim too Linus
23.18.21 #       <Bagder> just fyi
23.19.52 #       <kosh> I'm outta here..gotta work..  lemme know if you need any more info
23.20.27 #       <LinusN> i have a fix coming up
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23.45.21 #       <LinusN> wow, i managed to reproduce it
23.45.45 #       <LinusN> the LED stayed on when i began recording, for maybe 30-40 seconds
23.45.48 #       <LinusN> then PANIC
23.45.54 #       <LinusN> timeut: 0
23.46.03 #       <Zagor> how did you do it?
23.46.04 #       <LinusN> file size 0 bytes
23.46.12 #       <LinusN> i recorded a 2-minute file
23.46.17 #       <LinusN> no problemo
23.46.31 #       <LinusN> then i listened to it, stopped, and began recording again
23.47.50 #       <LinusN> dosfsck hangs, so i have to use windows scandisk to check the file system...
23.48.05 #       <LinusN> (the dosfsck hang is a USB problem)
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23.50.14 #       <Zagor> FATs differ but appear to be intact. Use which FAT ?
23.50.17 #       <Zagor> ouch!
23.53.38 #       <LinusN> how nice of fsck to let you decide :-)
23.53.59 #       <Zagor> yeah :-)