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00.09.47 #       <Bagder> hi
00.10.13 #       <LinusN> yo
00.10.16 #       <LinusN> up late?
00.10.20 #       <Bagder> yeah
00.10.28 #       <Bagder> webmailing
00.10.42 #       <Bagder> getting the hotmail address book
00.10.51 #       <LinusN> hehe
00.12.31 #       <Bagder> I write the script in perl and sends it off
00.12.44 #       <Bagder> he converts it to PHP, it fails and he mails be back and asks why...
00.13.05 #       <Hadaka> muhaha
00.13.24 #       <Hadaka> "converts" I assume ;)
00.13.31 #       <Bagder> yes
00.13.38 #       <Bagder> it's not very nicely done
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00.32.34 #       <LinusN> damn, i can't commit my recording fixes, sourceforge seems down
00.33.28 #       <Bagder> yeah, the cvs is screwed up
00.33.37 #       <Bagder> been like that for hours now
00.33.44 #       <LinusN> must be the improvements they made yesterday :-)
00.33.55 #       <Hadaka> wonder when they are going to get svn there ;)
00.34.13 #       <Bagder> yes, that'll be interesting
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08.39.58 #       <Bagder> hey
08.41.47 #       <Zagor-> hi
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08.52.05 #       <Bagder> time to go offline
08.52.07 #       <Bagder> see ya
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08.58.21 #       <dwihno> I greet thee!
08.58.46 #       <Zagor> howdy
08.59.08 #       <dwihno> all is well?
08.59.14 #       <Zagor> yup
08.59.17 #       <dwihno> :D
08.59.31 #       <dwihno> I managed to get all my laptop hardware working with freebsd last night
08.59.50 #       <dwihno> Including the archos and my other mass storage box
09.00.52 #       <Zagor> nice
09.00.57 #       <dwihno> Somehow I managed to overwrite the MBR though :)
09.01.08 #       <dwihno> (keeping both win2k and fbsd on the same disk)
09.01.27 #       <dwihno> I'm gonna fix that later tonight though, and get some kind of dual boot setup up & running
09.02.47 #       <dwihno> Also Opera has been released for fbsd
09.02.51 #       <dwihno> A lot of cool stuff :)
09.03.32 #       <Zagor> how come you choose fbsd instead of linux? i thought you said linux had too few applications!
09.06.38 #       <dwihno> Yes :)
09.06.51 #       <dwihno> There are a couple of applications I just can't live without
09.07.03 #       <dwihno> Mainly the adobe family of software
09.08.08 #       <Zagor> ...and? why then freebsd, who isn't exactly first on adobes port list.
09.08.18 #       <dwihno> not really
09.08.25 #       <dwihno> but I feel more comfortable with freebsd
09.10.18 #       <dwihno> I've been using some bridging features and firewalling some time ago and I thought freebsd did a marvellous job too :)
09.10.25 #       <dwihno> I never tested iptables though
09.12.31 #       <Zagor> ok. whatever makes you happy :-)
09.12.35 #       <dwihno> :-)
09.12.48 #       <dwihno> A nice slogan
09.12.52 #       <dwihno> "Whatever makes you happy"
09.12.58 #       <dwihno> Sounds like a song by Phil Collins
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10.47.11 #       <LinusN> i wanted to commit my irq changes yesterday, but sourceforge was crazy
10.48.04 #       <Schnueff> hm they announced something some weeks ago
10.48.08 #       <Zagor> yeah, I had the same problem sunday night
10.48.18 #       <Schnueff> that they would be down for maintenance on some of these days
10.48.34 #       <LinusN> sunday was maintenance day
10.48.39 #       <Schnueff> ah ok
10.48.51 #       <LinusN> yesterday was not planned
10.50.56 #       <LinusN> IRQ fix committed
10.51.18 #       <LinusN> the timeout panic should be gone
10.51.32 #       <LinusN> (it is gone, since the error handling is removed :-)
10.51.32 #       <Zagor> goodie
10.51.36 #       <Zagor> haha
10.51.50 #       <LinusN> the entire recording driver is rewritten
10.51.57 #       <LinusN> better performance
10.52.04 #       <Zagor> ok
10.52.18 #       <LinusN> Zagor: the truncate seems wrong
10.52.29 #       <LinusN> it seems to truncate too much
10.52.59 #       <LinusN> whenever i record a file that is shorter than the existing RECORD.MP3, it gets very short, much shorter than was recorded
10.53.24 #       <Zagor> really? ok, i'll do some tests.
10.54.09 #       <LinusN> gr8
10.54.16 #       <LinusN> use the new mpeg.c
10.54.44 #       <LinusN> i'll dig into the frame counter now
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11.09.16 #       <LinusN> Zagor: i just tried to build a player simulator
11.09.35 #       <LinusN> it couldn't find LANG_STAT
11.09.35 #       <Zagor> brave man :-)
11.09.40 #       <Zagor> !?
11.10.05 #       <LinusN> ../../apps/main_menu.c: In function `show_info':
11.10.05 #       <LinusN> ../../apps/main_menu.c:211: `LANG_DISK_STAT' undeclared (first use in this function)
11.10.58 #       <Zagor> it works on the site, and for me...
11.11.13 #       <LinusN> do configure in a fresh dir
11.12.54 #       <Zagor> just did. works.
11.16.37 #       <LinusN> weird
11.28.02 #       <LinusN> found t
11.28.03 #       <LinusN> it
11.28.15 #       <LinusN> there was a stray x11/lang.h
11.28.43 #       <Zagor> ah
11.29.47 #       <LinusN> have you tried the new mpeg.c?
11.30.05 #       <Zagor> no. i'm starting with pure fat tests
11.30.23 #       <LinusN> gr8
11.31.25 #       <LinusN> i was thinking...we only check the battery status when writing the settings, right?
11.33.22 #       <Zagor> well, do we really?
11.35.04 #       <LinusN>     if(save_config_buffer())
11.35.04 #       <LinusN>     {
11.35.04 #       <LinusN>         lcd_clear_display();
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11.35.04 #       <LinusN> #ifdef HAVE_LCD_CHARCELLS
11.35.04 #       <LinusN>         lcd_puts(0, 0, str(LANG_SETTINGS_SAVE_PLAYER));
11.36.22 #       <Zagor> yeah, but nobody's checking any battery. that text is wrong, it only displays on failed rtc write or partitionless disk.
11.36.34 #       <LinusN> who removed the battery check?
11.36.44 #       <Zagor> did we ever have one?
11.36.50 #       <LinusN> i think so
11.37.07 #       <LinusN> anyway, we will need one in the future
11.37.19 #       <Zagor> why?
11.37.32 #       <LinusN> to warn for low battery when recording
11.37.52 #       <Zagor> right, but that's for the recording app do handle. not disk writing.
11.38.08 #       <LinusN> we could have a general disk write protection
11.38.21 #       <Zagor> i don't see the point of that, honestly
11.38.43 #       <LinusN> ok then
11.38.47 #       <Zagor> if you have enough battery to spin up the disk, you mostly likely have enough to do the write too.
11.38.54 #       <Zagor> and if you can't spin the disk, no damage can be done
11.39.39 #       <kargatron> let the experiment begin! :)
11.39.45 #       <LinusN> so if i do open-write-close when i save the rec buffer, we will be allright?
11.39.55 #       <Zagor> yes
11.41.08 #       <LinusN> so be it
11.41.33 #       <Zagor> truncating writes work fine in the fat sim
11.41.39 #       <LinusN> dammit
11.42.01 #       <LinusN> when i ran it yesterday, it lost a lot of data
11.42.10 #       <LinusN> maybe a cluster
11.44.44 #       <Zagor> was that visible in the filename, or how did you notice?
11.44.51 #       <Zagor> in the file size, i mean
11.45.15 #       <LinusN> i listened to it
11.45.23 #       <Zagor> ok
11.46.28 #       <LinusN> i'll do some more tests
11.46.32 #       <dwihno> Linus: I read about the IRQ playback performance improvement... How much of an improvement is it?
11.46.41 #       <Zagor> me too
11.46.56 #       <LinusN> dwihno: in theory, it is huge
11.47.21 #       <LinusN> but i have never had any performance problems, so I can't really tell
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11.48.15 #       <kargatron> hm, must not have been paying attention.  is there a link to look at?
11.49.02 #       <LinusN> a link?
11.51.33 #       <kargatron> "IRQ playback" - dunno what that is.  as i said, not paying attention enough, i guess
11.52.04 #       <LinusN> we get the DEMAND signal from the MAS via an IRQ instead of polling
11.52.28 #       <kargatron> ohh, this is that jargon stuff i made a joke about yesterday! :)
11.52.29 #       <kargatron> hehe
11.52.46 #       <LinusN> should improve the MP3 playback performance (less skips with a "busy" WPS)
11.53.10 #       <LinusN> and should remove the timeout panics when recording
11.53.21 #       <kargatron> would it be neutral wrt to glitches?
11.53.41 #       <kargatron> my only perf probs are the jolt/silent-playing bit
11.53.59 #       <LinusN> try it
11.54.46 #       <kargatron> latest build has it?  I haven't updated since 10/30, since no new features have been added that i use...
11.56.57 #       <Zagor> he just checked it in. grab the latest bleeding edge.
12.13.00 #       <kargatron> LinusN, i know you haven't seen the silence problem.  what i was suggesting that you use a 'shotgun' warn-out approach, that might reveal discrepancies when the silence occured, which I could probably reproduce.
12.13.33 #       <kargatron> otoh, if you don't think such warns would be useful, so be it.  i don't know the code...
12.14.06 #       <LinusN> kargatron: like i said, i could warn, but when?
12.14.15 #       <LinusN> the firmware doesn't know that there is silence
12.14.18 #       <kargatron> well, during playback
12.14.32 #       <kargatron> and when i hit a silence, i'd go into the debug section and report.
12.14.48 #       <Zagor> kargatron: there are hundreds of parameters to choose from. we have no idea where to start.
12.15.06 #       <kargatron> ok
12.15.38 #       <LinusN> kargatron: try the debug->mpeg screen
12.30.10 #       <kargatron> well, of course my immediate attempts to repro it fail.  but next time it happens, I'll check the mpeg screen, see if anything is obviously different from a normal one, at least
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12.49.45 #       * dwihno got a humble question to the linux ninjas :)
12.49.53 #       * LinusN hides
12.49.53 #       <dwihno> Have you gotten XFree to do TV-out?
12.50.03 #       <LinusN> no, haven't tried
12.50.18 #       <dwihno> hm
12.50.24 #       <Zagor> me neither, but I plan to
12.50.40 #       <dwihno> I'm googlin' for some kind of information atm. It would be pretty neat.
12.50.54 #       <Zagor> a good place to start, perhaps: http://freevo.sourceforge.net/
12.51.13 #       <dwihno> I see a TV-in project at rivatv.sourceforge.net, which might be interesting for video capturing
12.51.54 #       <Zagor> that's tv-in...
12.53.40 #       <dwihno> yes
12.53.51 #       <dwihno> I said so :)
12.54.01 #       <Zagor> <dwihno> Have you gotten XFree to do TV-out?
12.54.02 #       <Zagor> :)
12.54.16 #       <dwihno> Yes :)
12.54.19 #       <dwihno> I said so too! :)
12.54.34 #       <dwihno> dwihno> I see a TV-in project at rivatv.sourceforge.net
12.54.35 #       <dwihno> :-)
12.55.06 #       <Zagor> ah, right
13.00.13 #       <dwihno> Ah, reading the official nvidia docs might be an idea
13.01.22 #       <dwihno> (app-j)  APPENDIX J: CONFIGURING TV-OUT
13.01.24 #       <dwihno> :D
13.01.29 #       <Zagor> hehe
13.02.18 #       <dwihno> I guess you need the closed source nvidia drivers for that
13.02.27 #       <dwihno> You got nvidia?
13.02.46 #       <Zagor> yes
13.03.08 #       <Zagor> xfree86 doesn't include nvidia dvi support yet :-(
13.03.25 #       <dwihno> the nvidia-provided drivers does
13.03.38 #       <Zagor> yes. but they don't work with linux 2.5
13.03.38 #       <dwihno> as well as hardware acceleratio
13.03.39 #       <dwihno> n
13.03.49 #       <dwihno> 2.5? sounds like a test kernel ;D
13.04.02 #       <Zagor> it is
13.04.05 #       <Hadaka> 2.5 is the way
13.04.12 #       <dwihno> What's new?
13.04.35 #       <Hadaka> way much, actually, atleast in my opinion
13.04.52 #       <Zagor> I want a simple fanless video card with dvi-d. seems nobody makes one. :-(
13.05.13 #       <dwihno> This DVI card in the shelf has no fan
13.05.18 #       <dwihno> Just a small heatsink
13.05.20 #       <Hadaka> actually, I'm wishing for 2.4.20 to get released for my work computer
13.05.31 #       <Zagor> dwihno: dvi, as in flat panel
13.05.32 #       <dwihno> Hadaka: something special you're waiting for?
13.05.47 #       <dwihno> Zagor: DVI, as in stupid non-standard contact? :)
13.05.51 #       <dwihno> plug
13.05.52 #       <dwihno> outlet
13.05.54 #       <dwihno> darn
13.05.55 #       <dwihno> :)
13.05.57 #       <Zagor> it is standard
13.06.09 #       <dwihno> Standard = oldschool style
13.06.17 #       <Hadaka> dwihno: yes. XF4.2.1 compatible dga :)
13.06.18 #       <dwihno> everything else = non-standard :)
13.06.24 #       <Zagor> oldschool = analog...
13.06.25 #       <dwihno> Hadaka: kickass :)
13.06.46 #       <Hadaka> rc1 atleast is out already
13.06.53 #       <Hadaka> rc2 it seems
13.18.37 #       <Zagor> ahh, rename() fixed.
13.18.55 #       <dwihno> Yay for Zay! :D
13.19.19 #       <dwihno> Hey, the archos worked flawless with freebsd btw.
13.19.43 #       <Zagor> yeah, rec20 does thanks to the new usb2 chip
13.19.55 #       <dwihno> Yea :)
13.20.06 #       <dwihno> Was it In-System blahblah who did it?
13.20.19 #       <dwihno> My external USB2 box for my HD has some In-System item too
13.20.24 #       <dwihno> (which worked flawless too!)
13.20.58 #       <dwihno> Fy vad sugen jag blev på svampstuvnign
13.21.25 #       <Zagor> :-)
13.21.48 #       <dwihno> Imagine varma mackor with svampstuvning and skinka and coated with cheese ... :)~~~
13.21.56 #       * dwihno is in "varma-mackor-land"
13.22.12 #       <Zagor> hehe
13.29.49 #       <LinusN> Opera för Linux isn't all that smart
13.30.06 #       <LinusN> if i download a PDF file and select "Open the file" in the dialog box
13.30.17 #       <LinusN> it tries to open it before it is downloaded
13.30.29 #       <Zagor> really? that's gotta be a bug.
13.30.34 #       <LinusN> i.e it opens a half PDF file
13.30.41 #       <LinusN> i'll report it to them
13.31.41 #       <dwihno> I saw a beta version of opera 7 being released.
13.31.52 #       <dwihno> Perhaps for windows only, but I still thought I might mention it ;)
13.32.14 #       <Zagor> dwihno: i've tried it. but I hate the new bright-white look. 
13.32.44 #       <Zagor> didn't find how to change it, so i'm back in o6
13.34.29 #       <dwihno> Zagor: I guess everything will be configurable later on... :) (It might be, but you didn't stumble across that configuration)
13.35.09 #       <Zagor> yeah. version 6 can change skins, but I didn't see it in version 7. maybe it will be in a later revision.
13.35.54 #       <dwihno> probably
13.36.46 #       <LinusN> I like Mozilla, but Opera is still my browser of choice
13.37.13 #       <Zagor> yeah, me too.
13.37.24 #       <LinusN> Opera has better options for almost everything
13.37.33 #       <LinusN> gives me a sense of control
13.37.41 #       <LinusN> no nonsense
13.38.01 #       <Zagor> i've been trying to bind keys the same way in mozilla, but it's really poorly documented :-(
13.38.10 #       <dwihno> :-/
13.38.19 #       <dwihno> I think Mozilla is much slower too
13.38.43 #       <Zagor> yeah
13.38.54 #       <LinusN> i use Opera on all my platforms: windows, Linux and Symbian
13.39.48 #       <dwihno> Symbian? Sounds PDA'ish
13.40.05 #       <Hadaka> I'd use something else than mozilla but nothing supports stylesheets and xml well enough
13.40.27 #       <Hadaka> but my needs are special, I guess
13.41.10 #       <dwihno> How come?
13.42.16 #       <Hadaka> well since other people seem to use other browsers :)
13.45.46 #       <dwihno> IE for *nix would be kickass :)
13.46.07 #       <dwihno> Isn't it available for solaris or such?
13.46.52 #       <LinusN> ie is evil
13.47.40 #       <Hadaka> I haven't ever realized what people see in IE
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13.48.04 #       <kargatron> it's convenient for windows users, is all.
13.50.07 #       <dwihno> Fast JVM
13.50.17 #       <dwihno> nice style sheet support
13.50.31 #       <dwihno> doesn't crash too often ;)
13.50.35 #       <Hadaka> euh
13.50.44 #       <Hadaka> Fast JVM I can understand
13.51.07 #       <Zagor> nice style sheet support??? which IE version are you running?
13.51.11 #       <Hadaka> but IE style sheet support has been buggy in each and every version
13.51.41 #       <kargatron> if you can't understand 'convenience' then you are missing the primary driver behind almost all human activity. :)
13.51.55 #       <dwihno> Zagor: 5-ish something
13.52.08 #       <Hadaka> kargatron: it's not just convenience for windows users if the people are wishing IE for *nix
13.52.35 #       <dwihno> I prefer IE over Mozilla
13.52.40 #       <dwihno> I prefer Opera over IE
13.52.47 #       <dwihno> But Opera sometimes crashes :/
13.52.58 #       <dwihno> But I'm gonna give Opera for FreeBSD a try
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13.57.40 #       <Zagor> lunch time
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13.57.58 #       <dwihno> lunch at 2pm? nay! that's too late! :)
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15.10.33 #       <LinusN> Zagor: do you support O_APPEND?
15.10.48 #       <Zagor> yes
15.11.25 #       <LinusN> wonderful!
15.11.37 #       <dwihno> I sense recording fixes coming up :D
15.11.51 #       <LinusN> :-)
15.12.18 #       <LinusN> does O_CREAT|O_APPEND work?
15.12.30 #       <Zagor> I guess
15.12.51 #       <Zagor> yeah, it does. creat is only looked at if the file doesn't exist
15.13.19 #       <LinusN> great
15.26.43 #       <LinusN> is it possible for somebody to do a recording with Line In and see if the frequency is correct?
15.27.11 #       <Zagor> i have nothing to plug it into right now
15.27.30 #       <Zagor> you could just record nothing and see what happens
15.27.39 #       <LinusN> i just though of the same thing
15.27.49 #       <LinusN> i don't need to listen to it...
15.27.50 #       <Zagor> sound is overrated :)
15.28.11 #       <LinusN> BTW, it's ON+F1 for id3 browse, right?
15.28.19 #       <Zagor> yes
15.28.20 #       <kargatron> reverse orde,r yes
15.28.38 #       <Zagor> right, you must press F1 first
15.28.55 #       <LinusN> i noticed, how silly
15.28.59 #       <Zagor> hehe
15.30.18 #       <dwihno> ><))))8>
15.31.15 #       <Zagor> so how should we reach file delete and remove? in the gui.
15.31.37 #       <dwihno> From Rockbox Commander - the integrated file manager :D
15.31.40 #       <LinusN> only i n wps :-)
15.31.41 #       <kargatron> i can't even remember how archos did it.:)
15.31.49 #       <dwihno> They had F2 or such
15.31.56 #       <dwihno> F2 for file
15.32.02 #       <dwihno> then you could chose delete or something
15.32.17 #       <Zagor> yeah
15.32.31 #       <dwihno> I haven't been using that firmware since ATA: -2 :)
15.32.32 #       <Zagor> remember player users want this too
15.32.57 #       <dwihno> a file menu perhaps
15.33.07 #       <dwihno> with rename, delete etc.
15.33.09 #       <dwihno> Hm
15.33.15 #       <dwihno> We're running out of buttons!
15.33.30 #       * dwihno looks at his unit
15.33.37 #       <LinusN> yeah, rb explorer
15.33.49 #       <kargatron> how about 3 hard bumps against a hard surface when the file is chosen
15.34.08 #       <dwihno> Okay, how about a file menu from the main menu?
15.34.19 #       <dwihno> Or keeping "configuration" pressed for 2+ secs
15.34.54 #       <Zagor> kargatron: hehe, excellent idea
15.35.57 #       <Zagor> a menu item is probably the only workable way
15.37.37 #       <dwihno> yes
15.37.41 #       <dwihno> file management perhaps
15.40.04 #       <dwihno> or a "second file browser"
15.41.03 #       <kargatron> i think recorder users would certainly appreciate a file mgr mode where those F buttons can be used.
15.41.19 #       <Zagor> maybe a "file manager mode" in the browser, somehow? so pressing PLAY gives you a list of options (remove, rename etc) insted of playing the file?
15.41.36 #       <kargatron> In fact, a consistent/similar interface for file mgmt and queueing, etc, is probaly a good idea.
15.42.13 #       <Zagor> kargatron: holding play on a file brings up a menu: queue, rename, delete?
15.42.36 #       <dwihno> Zagor: another "quick"-menu?
15.42.54 #       <Zagor> dwihno: yeah, sort of
15.42.54 #       <kargatron> Zagor, maybe, i haven't personally given it much thought, but:
15.43.15 #       <kargatron> i have seen comments in the requests that despise the 'hold-down' method, for queueing at least
15.43.25 #       <kargatron> i doubt those types would enjoy it more for file mgmt
15.43.34 #       <Zagor> ok, what is the reason they don't like it?
15.43.56 #       <kargatron> probably don't like that brief delay in doing things.  
15.44.27 #       <kargatron> you can practice getting good at key sequences, until it's quite fast, but a delay will always stall the process.
15.44.39 #       <kargatron> my guess at that - i can see the point of view...
15.45.21 #       <kargatron> i.e., there's a diff between holding down for a time, and punching specific key sequences to get there.  many prefer the latter, is all.
15.45.40 #       <dwihno> buttons < options :)
15.46.05 #       <dwihno> File management is still not really a daily task
15.46.26 #       <dwihno> If you want to do something major, you connect the unit and use your fav' software for that purpose
15.47.15 #       <kargatron> personally, i doubt i'd ever use file mgmt.
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15.49.10 #       <kargatron> anything ever come of that list suggestion/web page of a GUI reorg for the recorder?
15.50.28 #       <Zagor> nothing yet. we've been a bit busy here... :-)
15.51.27 #       <kargatron> just brought it up because it's potentially relevant to the file mgmt issues.   depending on priorities.
15.52.36 #       <Zagor> yeah. but there needs to be lots more discussions before we change the gui. file mgmt will go in first.
15.54.09 #       <dwihno> I say we get "File mgmt" in the menu! :)
15.54.25 #       <dwihno> I think the file stuff should be separated from the user interface (as with the recording)
15.54.45 #       <dwihno> Then using some kind of different icons will help too! :)
15.55.38 #       <Zagor> icons? we have icons?
15.56.47 #       <dwihno> Yes :)
15.57.20 #       <dwihno> Some kind of flute (recorder, hehu) to mark the recording
15.57.37 #       <dwihno> and a waste basket to show the "file management"
16.00.35 #       <dwihno> and a "start" button wish folding menus for all .rock modules! :)
16.00.42 #       <dwihno> s/wish/with/
16.04.14 #       <dwihno> "Rockbox firmwares are developed for use in the Recorder models which in many people's opnions, mine included, are much better than what Archos supplies.  You can even play games on your recorders with these units and these firmwares are updated daily.  It makes your Recorder basically a brand new unit with many cool features"
16.05.40 #       <Zagor> nice words. where is it from?
16.07.16 #       <dwihno> Some firmware collection page
16.07.28 #       <dwihno> Just w8, I'll check
16.07.39 #       <dwihno> http://www.hotmp3gear.com/updates1.htm
16.07.40 #       <dwihno> there
16.10.54 #       <Zagor> it's interesting seeing how many people seem to think the current version is 1.14 instead of 1.4
16.11.32 #       <kargatron> it's all those '1's in '1.4' - confusing
16.11.39 #       <Zagor> haha
16.14.52 #       <dwihno> :)
16.16.12 #       <dwihno> "Those Rockbox guys really do kick some serious ass! Check out one of their DAILY BUILDS for some kick ass firmware replacement on Archos MP3 players. The latest development -- and this is why you'll have to grab the daily build and not the 1.3 build -- is ROLO. ROLO is a bootloader for the Archos."
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16.21.43 #       <dwihno> Do you people know Eric Lasagne?
16.21.47 #       <dwihno> http://lassauge.free.fr/rockbox/fr_rbox.htm
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16.22.43 #       <Zagor> nope
16.34.05 #       <dwihno> Check that URL
16.34.13 #       <Zagor> i did
16.34.19 #       <dwihno> Cute huh? :)
16.34.24 #       <Zagor> yeah :-)
16.34.58 #       <dwihno> RockBox avec francais! :)
16.46.45 #       <Zagor> LinusN: you here?
16.46.55 #       <LinusN> just got here
16.47.40 #       <Zagor> i've been thinking about the plugins. i think we should use a function pointer struct instead, like I do in smash.
16.47.59 #       <LinusN> for all internal functions?
16.48.05 #       <Zagor> yes
16.49.00 #       <Zagor> is there a good reason not to?
16.49.27 #       <LinusN> well, i'm not all that fond of putting an API in cement
16.49.45 #       <Zagor> we can version control it, like everything else
16.50.14 #       <Zagor> the api isn't more fixed in a struct than with absolute addresses...
16.51.08 #       <Zagor> with a struct we don't have to worry about only running the exact same binary build.
16.52.23 #       <LinusN> actually, i'm not that fond of defining a plugin API at all
16.52.28 #       <Zagor> ??
16.52.59 #       <Zagor> no plugins?
16.52.59 #       <LinusN> i mean, we would have to put great effort in defining the API
16.53.09 #       <Zagor> we don't. the api is already there.
16.53.20 #       <dwihno> "If you have an Archos Jukebox, trust me on this: Rockbox is nowhere near competing with Archos for the firmware on this thing. All I want is someone to fix the fucking shuffle on this thing, but no. I installed Rockbox and deleted it almost immediately. It sucked that much"
16.53.31 #       <Zagor> dwihno: that's an old gem.
16.53.39 #       <dwihno> Yes :)
16.53.42 #       <dwihno> 06/04/2002
16.53.59 #       <dwihno> I used it back then
16.54.06 #       <dwihno> Even with the "Welle erdball" bug
16.55.07 #       <LinusN> Zagor: the api also consists of global data structures
16.55.40 #       <Zagor> LinusN: it doesn't have to. it depends how much we want plugin:able. i say we start simple and export the firmware library.
16.56.05 #       <LinusN> the fw library?
16.56.38 #       <Zagor> yes. file, screen and button api is enough for 75% of all plugins
16.57.27 #       <dwihno> c'est parfait
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19.14.17 #       <LinusN> yo Bagder!
19.14.34 #       <Bagder> hey
19.14.41 #       <LinusN> zagors birthday!
19.14.47 #       <Bagder> yeps
19.14.49 #       <LinusN> i had forgotten!
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19.28.18 #       <LinusN> Bagder: will he throw a party?
19.28.19 #       <wsb> i have a question about the Archos MP3 Player/Recorder 10 Gig HD
19.28.26 #       <LinusN> wsb: shoot
19.28.31 #       <Bagder> LinusN: not that I know of
19.28.47 #       <wsb> when i start it up, i always get a hd register error
19.29.13 #       <wsb> i have version 1.27b
19.29.55 #       <wsb> and LinusN ? , think you got a solution
19.30.11 #       <LinusN> how are your batteries?
19.30.25 #       <wsb> about empty
19.30.38 #       <LinusN> bad batteries may cause this
19.31.00 #       <wsb> but i dont have the charger, because i bought it in the states, so i have to buy me a new one
19.31.22 #       <LinusN> if the cells are dead or worn out, they may not give sufficient power to the drive
19.32.04 #       <LinusN> wsb: any 9V 600mA battery eliminator will work
19.32.15 #       <wsb> yes i know
19.37.46 #       <wsb> so it could be either empty batteries or bad batteries or in worst case some hardware probs
19.38.40 #       <LinusN> exactly
19.38.57 #       <wsb> ok thx
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