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01.35.18 #       <adi|sleep> hey linus
01.35.25 #       <adi|sleep> i understand.. my keyboard design wasn't good enough
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01.47.49 #       <LinusN> adi|sleep: no it's just that we don't like you :-)
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03.44.43 #       <games> hey, has anyone ever heard of that gut, "Blueloop"?
03.45.28 #       <games> or, does anyone know how to put on a patch?
03.46.20 #       <games> rockbox sucks because thier isn't enough games
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04.00.01 #       <_seb_> lol
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08.13.21 #       <dwihno> Hej gojs
08.15.38 #       <Zagor> hola
08.16.13 #       <dwihno> Hola señor, une cerveza grande, porrfarbror :)
08.16.53 #       <Zagor> :)
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09.03.21 #       <bobTHC> yo!
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09.04.56 #       <bobTHC> good morning!
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09.07.28 #       <Schnueff> moin
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09.29.14 #       <bobTHC> hi pyva!
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09.44.49 #       <adi|dads> Zagor you around?
09.49.13 #       <Zagor> yup
09.50.45 #       <adi|dads> just looking for info...
09.51.00 #       <adi|dads> what would have made my version of the keyboard better/more optimal?
09.51.37 #       <adi|dads> oh.. and have you played with the rockboxui sim lately?
09.51.51 #       <Zagor> i don't know. i looked at both versions, and just picked one. I felt Johns was a bit simpler.
09.51.57 #       <adi|dads> it seems to not fully flush the boot screen when it gets to the dir listing.
09.52.06 #       <Zagor> yeah, i did the keyboard exclusively in the sims
09.52.06 #       <adi|dads> np
09.52.47 #       <adi|dads> i have a completely empty archos dir in my sim directory
09.53.02 #       <adi|dads> when i start the sim i don't get a full screen flush.. not sure why
09.54.07 #       <adi|dads> and not that im trying to be a pain ;)
09.54.13 #       <adi|dads> on the buglist page
09.54.25 #       <Zagor> ok. i'll look at that
09.54.29 #       <adi|dads> any chance we could get 'won't fix' and 'fixed' to be diff table colors?
09.54.34 #       <adi|dads> just so they stand out a bit more
09.54.52 #       <adi|dads> background wise
09.55.14 #       <Zagor> uh? won't fix is red and fixed is green
09.55.38 #       <adi|dads> the backgrounds are?
09.56.17 #       <Zagor> yes
09.56.21 #       <Zagor> http://rockbox.haxx.se/bugs.shtml
09.56.36 #       <adi|dads> yeah..
09.56.43 #       <adi|dads> not on my version of netscape they aren't/
09.56.46 #       <adi|dads> chekcing in opera right now
09.57.09 #       <adi|dads> ill be damned
09.57.14 #       <adi|dads> in opera they are
09.57.19 #       <adi|dads> my version of netscape they aren't
09.57.31 #       <adi|dads> communicator 4.7
09.57.34 #       <adi|dads> how odd
09.57.34 #       <Zagor> which version?
09.58.26 #       <Zagor> the colors are done in CSS. i guess NS4.7 didn't support it that well
09.58.50 #       <adi|dads> hmmm... possibly
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10.00.38 #       <Zagor> hi LinusN
10.00.43 #       <LinusN> hi
10.00.45 #       <adi|dads> oh damn he's back
10.00.53 #       <LinusN> :-)
10.00.57 #       <Zagor> everybody quiet now
10.01.16 #       <LinusN> remember that i can read the log :-)
10.02.22 #       <adi|dads> thats what you think
10.02.22 #       <Zagor> not if I censor it :)
10.03.56 #       <bobTHC> <<<<updated francais.lang commited!>>>>
10.05.50 #       <dwihno> :O
10.05.54 #       <dwihno> C'est parfait!
10.06.22 #       <dwihno> Tre's bien
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10.09.11 #       <adi|dads> So, what do you call an American with common sense and a good education?
10.09.21 #       <Zagor> rare? ;)
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10.09.27 #       <adi|dads> An immigrant :)
10.09.32 #       <Zagor> lol
10.09.39 #       <adi|dads> figured you'd like that :)
10.09.59 #       <adi|dads> Whats the one thing Canada has that America doesn't?
10.10.07 #       <adi|dads> sorry.. reverst that.
10.10.13 #       <Mine78> Hi guys... do you remember the yesterday battery problem ? Well 1 of the 4 batteries was destroyed... with a tester it give oute 0.1 Volt... and I bought 4 new cells :(
10.10.20 #       <adi|dads> Whats the one thing America has that Canada doesn't?
10.10.42 #       <LinusN> i dunno
10.10.44 #       <adi|dads> Nice neighbors
10.10.49 #       <LinusN> haha
10.11.03 #       <LinusN> Mine78: that's funny
10.11.15 #       <LinusN> you must have fried them good
10.11.27 #       <Zagor> Mine78: actually it's best to always use them in sets of 4. don't mix brands/models
10.11.47 #       <Zagor> different brands have different charging characteristics
10.12.06 #       <adi|dads> So what do you call and old britsh woman with inbreed kids that doesn't page taxes?
10.12.09 #       <Mine78> new cell are 1600milliampere... can I use them with 1500 ?
10.12.32 #       <Zagor> don't mix
10.12.56 #       <LinusN> don't even mix older with newer, even if they are the same kind
10.13.07 #       <Mine78> but now I have 3 originale 1500 milliampere... almost new
10.13.33 #       <LinusN> adi|dads: ?
10.13.58 #       <adi|dads> Her majesty
10.14.00 #       <adi|dads> :)
10.14.03 #       <LinusN> :-)
10.14.17 #       <Zagor> Mine78: use them for your TV remote control, bicycle lights or whatever. don't use them in your archos
10.14.29 #       <Mine78> I risk to damage the archos ?
10.14.42 #       <Zagor> Mine78: if you mix batteries, you will damage the batteries again
10.15.08 #       <Mine78> ok thank you... I am boring I know... really thanx
10.15.13 #       <Zagor> no problem
10.15.30 #       <LinusN> Mine78: how do you charge them?
10.15.41 #       <LinusN> i mean your charging habits
10.15.44 #       <adi|dads> easy...
10.15.50 #       <adi|dads> catch them doing something illegal
10.15.53 #       * adi|dads smirks
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10.16.22 #       <LinusN> adi|dads: what was the question?
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10.16.29 #       <bobTHC> french ppl : I want your suggestions for better translation in francais.lang
10.16.40 #       <Mine78> Well in the 1st month I drain them each 24 hours uploading and playing mp3
10.17.38 #       <Mine78> And i noticed that rockbox charging is more precise than archos charging... archos never says "charged", rockbox yes, after almost 4 hours
10.18.05 #       <Mine78> Then at the beginning of 2nd moth they broke down
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10.23.06 #       <Zagor> Uwe's new charging code charges the batteries more (higher top voltage, plus some other changes). can anyone come up with a good way of testing the various charging algorithms?
10.23.31 #       <LinusN> we still need trickle charge imho
10.24.02 #       <Zagor> I agree. We wouldn't need it if we could turn off the archos, but since we can't...
10.24.15 #       <Zagor> also I guess trickle is a good way to "top off" the charge
10.24.25 #       <LinusN> i have read that too
10.25.20 #       <Zagor> LinusN: are you planning to do some tests with dynamic watermark?
10.30.59 #       <LinusN> no, at least not yet
10.31.23 #       <LinusN> well, i plan to, but not in the nearest future
10.31.25 #       <Zagor> ok
10.31.45 #       <Zagor> it seems hadaka was right and I was wrong. poweroff adds almost a second to my spinup time.
10.31.59 #       <LinusN> ok
10.32.06 #       <LinusN> does the mesurement work now?
10.32.15 #       <LinusN> the spinup time measurement
10.32.16 #       <Zagor> yes, with my upcoming commit
10.32.27 #       <LinusN> ok, what time does it measure?
10.32.36 #       <LinusN> from where to where?
10.32.52 #       <Zagor> from poweron/soft-reset to completion of first read/write command (before buffer copy).
10.33.17 #       <LinusN> ok, from poweron to DRQ?
10.33.31 #       <Zagor> yes
10.33.57 #       <LinusN> do you see any fluctuations in the timing?
10.34.05 #       <Zagor> haven't done many tests yet
10.35.35 #       <dwihno> Is there some easy way to split a byte into two parts (5, 3) ?
10.35.47 #       <LinusN> in c? no.
10.35.49 #       <Zagor> very little fluctuation so far. 20 ms difference.
10.36.26 #       <LinusN> a = x & 7;
10.36.35 #       <LinusN> b = (x >> 3) & 0x1f;
10.36.50 #       <Zagor> dwihno: part1 = byte >> 3; part2 = byte & 7;
10.37.03 #       <dwihno> ah
10.37.16 #       <dwihno> bits and bones may break my bones, but pointers will never harm me :)
10.37.28 #       <LinusN> :-)
10.37.42 #       <Zagor> LinusN: 100ms diff this time
10.37.59 #       <LinusN> Zagor: time for a histogram
10.38.49 #       <dwihno> LinusN: why do you & the shifted x?
10.38.56 #       <Zagor> LinusN: could be an idea
10.39.07 #       <Zagor> dwihno: in case the input is larger than 8 bits
10.39.33 #       <dwihno> hm
10.40.20 #       <LinusN> dwihno: if x is unsigned char, it is not necessary
10.40.35 #       <dwihno> You are like an educational centre :)
10.42.03 #       <LinusN> actually, signed or unsigned does not matter
10.42.11 #       <LinusN> as long as it is char
10.45.06 #       <LinusN> Zagor: do you have a rename function in fat.c?
10.45.14 #       <Zagor> yes
10.45.37 #       <LinusN> ok, so a rename feature would be peanuts to implement?
10.45.52 #       <Zagor> yes. I was thinking of making ON+PLAY in the browser bring up a quick-menu for file operations.
10.46.11 #       <LinusN> good idea
10.46.23 #       <LinusN> can you do mv?
10.46.35 #       <Zagor> not yet
10.47.03 #       <Zagor> also the player keyboard is rather buggy still :-)
10.47.16 #       <LinusN> oh, in what way?
10.47.42 #       <Zagor> it simply needs more work
10.47.44 #       <LinusN> btw, 2.4.20 didn't solve my problems
10.47.47 #       <Zagor> ok
10.48.53 #       <adi|dads> define buggy on the keyboard?
10.49.16 #       <Zagor> the left-right scroll is not limited properly, so you can scroll into the next page :-)
10.49.35 #       <Zagor> ...and, ultimately, scroll into all kinds of weird memory where you really shouldn't be :)
10.49.41 #       * adi|dads wistles innocently
10.49.41 #       <LinusN> Zagor: have you removed logs from CVS?
10.49.50 #       * adi|dads points Zagor at his version of the keyboard
10.49.53 #       * adi|dads smirks
10.50.08 #       <Zagor> yes, the old irc .logs. they are replaced by .txt logs
10.50.14 #       <LinusN> aha
10.51.05 #       <Zagor> adi|dads: uh, the only version I saw only works for recorder!?
10.51.41 #       <adi|dads> right, and?
10.52.14 #       <adi|dads> i didn't port to the player because i was told at the time it would be a while before we needed a keyboard and not to commit it because we didn't know where it would go :)
10.52.33 #       <adi|dads> the keyboard you commited does not have a player version does it?
10.52.52 #       <Zagor> yes it does. it is that version which bugs. the recorder version works fine.
10.54.06 #       <adi|dads> see.. you didn't say that ;)
10.55.25 #       <Zagor> <Zagor> also the player keyboard is rather buggy still :-)
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10.56.47 #       * adi|dads yells at his monitor for increasing his blind spots
10.56.50 #       <adi|dads> see.. my dad was right
10.56.55 #       <adi|dads> it _is_ making me go blind
10.56.58 #       <Zagor> hehe
10.56.59 #       <adi|dads> im sorry. ('
10.57.01 #       <adi|dads> :(
10.57.45 #       <kargatron> i occasionally get what's termed an 'optical migraine' - painless, but i get this temporary huge blind spot.  annoying.
10.57.57 #       <Zagor> yikes
10.58.04 #       <adi|dads> btw.. 4.8 doesn't fix the css problem either
10.58.10 #       <adi|dads> going to try 6.* tomorrow
10.58.14 #       <adi|dads> i refuse to go to 7
10.58.15 #       <LinusN> sara gets that too in some rare occasions
10.58.43 #       <Zagor> there's a 7?
10.58.46 #       <adi|dads> i get that to... generally.. when Ive been on the machine for hours.. 
10.58.51 #       <kargatron> Feature req 646978 vs 645901 on char scrolling - are those dupes?  they seem to ask for different implementations
10.59.02 #       <adi|dads> but then again.. comes sunday night, and she leaves to go back home again.
10.59.05 #       * adi|dads smirks
10.59.23 #       <kargatron> one is for "bitmapped graphic demo" type, and one is for char-by-char
10.59.41 #       <adi|dads> nods
10.59.46 #       <adi|dads> they are similar i think
10.59.55 #       <adi|dads> btw.. what do we think of that char-by-char idea?
11.00.05 #       <kargatron> should i mark one dupe and just transfer a note then?
11.00.11 #       <adi|dads> nods
11.00.14 #       <adi|dads> i think thats good
11.00.18 #       <Zagor> he's approaching it all wrong. char-by-char is not the solution. lower update frequency is.
11.00.22 #       <adi|dads> transfer the 'bitmap' one...
11.00.26 #       <adi|dads> ahh.. okay...
11.00.54 #       <adi|dads> but with a lower update frequecy we get a slower scroll no?
11.00.55 #       <Zagor> i think we can reject the smooth request. we can't do fast smooth scrolls. they get unreadable.
11.00.56 #       <kargatron> lower update freq - that different from scroll speed?
11.01.19 #       <Zagor> kargatron: yes, we actually have two parameters: pixels to move the text per update, and updates per second
11.01.31 #       <kargatron> well, the point the earlier one makes is that he finds the archos scrolling easier to read.  pure preference?  or what?
11.01.43 #       <Zagor> currently we can only change the pixel parameter, but we might want to add update frequency too
11.01.58 #       <Zagor> it's easier to read because it's slower
11.02.03 #       <adi|dads> how is the bounce text demo diff from scolling in how it moves the chars?
11.02.15 #       <adi|dads> because i find that easy to read.. but file names scrolling tough
11.02.57 #       <Zagor> completely different. also, it's easier because the font is bold
11.03.19 #       <adi|dads> dunno about that... i use a bold font while driving for file names...
11.03.26 #       <adi|dads> that don't seem to help all that much
11.03.35 #       <adi|dads> but i see what you're saying
11.04.05 #       <adi|dads> 621115 feature
11.04.09 #       <kargatron> i myself am not crazy about the scrolling, but i don't know enough to think it's a legit complaint.  I use uwe_prop, which is quite small anyway
11.04.19 #       <adi|dads> is that possible?
11.04.29 #       <adi|dads> Would it be possible to have the battery full percentage 
11.04.29 #       <adi|dads>                               shown during charging while off? Make it possilbe to 
11.04.29 #       <adi|dads>                               know when it is safe to take it for a full days use. thanks 
11.04.35 #       <adi|dads> sorry to spam
11.04.47 #       <adi|dads> we don't have control of the screen at that point do we?
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11.05.22 #       <adi|dads> i scared him off
11.05.24 #       <adi|dads> lol
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11.07.40 #       <kargatron> Zagor, http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&group_id=44306&atid=439121&aid=645901, if you want to make any comments on the scrolling thing.
11.07.51 #       <Zagor> yeah, I saw. thanks
11.08.23 #       <adi|dads> zagor we don't have control of the screen when the unit is off and charging right?
11.09.03 #       <Zagor> right
11.09.04 #       <kargatron> aha, just figured out why i sometimes appear to get sf mail dupes.
11.09.29 #       <adi|dads> whys that?
11.09.30 #       <kargatron> sf emails separately, then i also get list email of same thing.
11.09.38 #       <adi|dads> hehehe
11.10.05 #       <kargatron> shouldn't anyone logged into sf see that?
11.10.55 #       <Zagor> I guess maybe I get that too, but I have dupe elimination in my mail filter :-)
11.11.00 #       <kargatron> reminder (not that it matters much), I will be offline dec 8-28, vacation
11.11.01 #       <kargatron> ah
11.11.33 #       <Zagor> Thailand, was it?
11.11.38 #       <kargatron> right
11.11.55 #       * Zagor is not envious at all :)
11.12.22 #       <kargatron> i'll letcha know how not envious you should remain when i return. :)
11.12.34 #       * adi|dads is an American and as such has been warned to _not_ visit that nation :)
11.13.01 #       * kargatron is also, but thinks the warning is paranoid
11.13.21 #       <adi|dads> hehe i agree...
11.13.33 #       <adi|dads> but finances are what dictate my level of paranoia ;)
11.13.37 #       <kargatron> or if not paranoid, overblown in interpreted severity
11.14.25 #       <dwihno> Zagor: Good idea (on+play = file operations)
11.14.32 #       <adi|dads> but we HAVE to go to war with Iraq... i mean.. they are letting in the inspectors and everything...
11.14.39 #       <adi|dads> what i mean is.. um.. yeah...!
11.16.00 #       <adi|dads> "Bush, the second.  Half the votes and double the incompetence."
11.16.04 #       <bobTHC> american always thing they are world cops...
11.16.21 #       <bobTHC> s/thing/think
11.16.23 #       <adi|dads> true, but generally there is a good reasoon for that
11.16.40 #       <kargatron> a very debatable statement. :)
11.16.52 #       <adi|dads> which, his or mine :)
11.17.00 #       <kargatron> yours
11.17.40 #       <bobTHC> ouch i'm not  really agree with you, for me the only reason is business 
11.17.51 #       <adi|dads> nah.. the reason is simple... it is (generally mind you) america that the UN and other nations (and their corporations) look to for monetary, humanitarian or military aide.
11.17.56 #       * kargatron abstains from any further OT discussion :)
11.18.24 #       <Zagor> monetary? uh, right. when did the US last pay their UN dues? 1970?
11.18.36 #       * Zagor loves a good flame war :)
11.18.42 #       <bobTHC> business and world supremacy are the only two goal of USA
11.19.12 #       <adi|dads> Zagor good point.. but what nations came to the aide of the Red Cross when it nearly went bankrupt in the 80's while helping other nations?
11.19.27 #       <adi|dads> it was canada and the us government that bailed out a US aide organization
11.20.01 #       <adi|dads> or how about those 'small' loans that were 'paid' back to help rebuild europe?
11.20.03 #       <adi|dads> twice ;)
11.20.07 #       <Zagor> i think you will find it difficult to convince the rest of the world that the US has a good foreign policy :-)
11.20.20 #       <adi|dads> im not arguing with you there
11.21.16 #       <adi|dads> but you will have a tough time finding a country that doesn't want us aide when they are starving, broke, or being invaded.
11.21.17 #       <bobTHC> what the only country who dont sign any ecological agreement ?
11.21.22 #       <bobTHC> USA
11.21.26 #       <adi|dads> (well, a democratic country at least)
11.21.36 #       <bobTHC> of course
11.21.46 #       <Zagor> adi|dads: you're confusing US with NATO, imho.
11.21.57 #       <bobTHC> i dont talk about liberia or afgani
11.22.02 #       <adi|dads> why doyou say that Zagor?
11.22.33 #       <adi|dads> bobTHC I never said the country was perfect...
11.22.53 #       <bobTHC> when ppl starving, usa send transgenic corn without any test on the health before
11.23.03 #       <Zagor> because NATO is who helps UN when places need protection (bosnia etc). and NATO is a lot more than just the US
11.23.06 #       <adi|dads> my personal opinion is.. frankly.. screw the rest of the world.. time we took care of our own first/only
11.23.07 #       <bobTHC> starving ppl are beta tester
11.23.12 #       * kargatron is going to start sneaking in his fave unimplemented feature requests in this conversation. :)
11.23.17 #       <adi|dads> bobTHC thats crap and you know it...
11.23.27 #       <Zagor> kargatron: hehe
11.23.27 #       <adi|dads> oh, i agree with you Zagor
11.23.46 #       * dwihno is going to sneak in configurable scroll speed
11.23.46 #       <adi|dads> lol@kargatron
11.23.53 #       <kargatron> usa sux  ID3 YEAR  usa sux
11.23.58 #       <adi|dads> hehehe
11.24.04 #       <kargatron> go usa  BOOKMARKING   yea us
11.24.06 #       <kargatron> :)
11.24.09 #       <adi|dads> bobTHC where are you from?
11.24.32 #       <LinusN> he's from CHIP8 France
11.24.36 #       <adi|dads> lol
11.24.49 #       <adi|dads> see.. he's got a prob from the start...
11.24.51 #       <kargatron> dwihno, scroll speed is configurable.  are you referring to something else?
11.24.55 #       <bobTHC> adi: not, read more about the congo food help , congo take it but dont distribute it to his ppl only @ refugees
11.25.00 #       <adi|dads> he's from a country that can't even build a complete wall ;)
11.25.09 #       <bobTHC> ;)
11.25.20 #       <dwihno> kargatron: scroll speed isn't configurable, only the amounts of pixels being scrolled
11.25.25 #       <bobTHC> i'm not glad of my country @ all
11.25.30 #       <adi|dads> bobTHC read more about America helping Mexico after their 10 major earthquakes
11.25.37 #       <adi|dads> or helping in S. America
11.25.47 #       <kargatron> well, it's *called* scroll speed! :)
11.26.00 #       <bobTHC> dont talk with me about S america US politic
11.26.11 #       <LinusN> come on guys
11.26.11 #       <adi|dads> your right.. lets go back to europe..
11.26.26 #       <bobTHC> because it's the best exeample of imperialism
11.26.27 #       <dwihno> kargatron: that's false advertising :) I tried to convince Linus to make it configurable too yesterday, and Hadaka agreed :D
11.26.32 #       <Zagor> id3v2 is really stupid. no genre and no year tags.
11.26.32 #       <adi|dads> did you guys ever finish paying us back for those small loans to help you guys out? (france i mean)?
11.26.40 #       <adi|dads> imperialism?
11.26.53 #       <kargatron> no year?  what do you mean?
11.26.58 #       <LinusN> the genre tags are stupid imho
11.27.02 #       <Zagor> kargatron: http://www.id3.org/id3v2.4.0-frames.txt
11.27.03 #       <adi|dads> england held the world by the point of a gun for 300 years and your going to bitch to me aobut imperialism?
11.27.13 #       <Zagor> adi|dads: drop it, ok?
11.27.22 #       <adi|dads> hehehehe but this is fun ;)
11.27.27 #       <adi|dads> i like picking on frogs :)
11.28.08 #       <Zagor> LinusN: yeah, I can agree about genre. but a year tag would be useful.
11.28.24 #       <LinusN> i can't read id3.org
11.28.26 #       <kargatron> page not coming up
11.28.30 #       <LinusN> reach
11.28.31 #       <adi|dads> Zagor why would you feel a year tag to be useful?
11.28.32 #       <Zagor> now there are two tags instead: TCOP and TPRO
11.28.34 #       <bobTHC> during 40years USA give money to gerilleros and to military goverment to be sure of having the partnership without attempt to make the region sure
11.28.44 #       <Zagor> both free-form text tags...
11.28.45 #       <kargatron> how cn a year tag not be useful?
11.28.57 #       * bobTHC stop the USA troll
11.29.12 #       <LinusN> year is interesting imho
11.29.12 #       <Zagor> adi|dads: i like to know what year the song was recorded/written
11.29.15 #       <adi|dads> bobTHC at Zagor's request im dropping it :) (you surrendering wussy frog you ;)  )
11.29.25 #       <adi|dads> nods 
11.29.37 #       <adi|dads> but in the same vein, genre could be important to someone
11.29.41 #       <kargatron> hm, can't get to id3.org, darnit
11.29.46 #       <Zagor> adi|dads: i agree
11.29.46 #       <LinusN> me neither
11.29.48 #       * adi|dads doesn't care for either, but thats another story
11.29.57 #       <Zagor> time to mirror it, i'd say
11.29.57 #       <bobTHC> hehe
11.30.14 #       <LinusN> id3.org is down very frequently
11.30.19 #       <bobTHC> sir,yes sir
11.30.24 #       <kargatron> not caring about year clearly labels you as a musical dabbler, adi|dads
11.30.25 #       <kargatron> :)
11.30.32 #       <Zagor> yes. i'll upload it to rockbox.haxx.se
11.30.42 #       <kargatron> year = history = context!
11.30.42 #       <adi|dads> damnit.. for 2 weeks my dad bitched.. 'the cdrom isn't working'  i tell him.. did you check the power cable going to it.  "Yes im not stupid."
11.30.45 #       <adi|dads> so i check it...
11.30.56 #       <adi|dads> guess what was _not_ hooked up?
11.31.04 #       <LinusN> the floppy?
11.31.09 #       <LinusN> the hard disk?
11.31.12 #       <LinusN> the toaster?
11.31.14 #       <kargatron> his brain?
11.31.15 #       <adi|dads> lol
11.31.23 #       <adi|dads> bing bing bing
11.31.27 #       <bobTHC> the TV?
11.31.27 #       <adi|dads> give kargatron a cigar
11.31.42 #       <LinusN> oh, so it wasn't the cdrom after all
11.31.46 #       <LinusN> :-)
11.31.52 #       <adi|dads> hehehe
11.31.57 #       <adi|dads> i blame it on NATO
11.31.59 #       * adi|dads ducks
11.32.31 #       <kargatron> so i have mostly v2.3 tags - there's year there - 2.4 changes it?  or is this an internal invisible thing?
11.32.35 #       <Zagor> oh, this just gets better. id3v2.3.0 has TORY (Original release year). id3v2.4.0 doesn't!
11.32.46 #       <Zagor> exactly
11.32.48 #       <LinusN> it's sooo silly
11.32.54 #       <adi|dads> hehehe
11.33.03 #       <kargatron> and tcop/tpro are what?
11.33.06 #       <adi|dads> wtf decides how the id3v2 is set up?
11.33.13 #       <kargatron> (since i can't get to id3.org atm)
11.33.13 #       <LinusN> id3.org
11.33.22 #       <Zagor> *and* it has TYER, which is "The 'Year' frame is a numeric string with a year of the recording."
11.33.53 #       <LinusN> so TYER is it?
11.34.55 #       <Zagor> tcop and tpro are Copyright and Producer free-format text strings
11.35.52 #       <Zagor> for 2.3 yes
11.38.29 #       <kargatron> i encode with v1 and v2.3.  i think all my mp3s have v1, and the newer both.
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11.44.20 #       <Zagor> id3 specs added to our documentation page
11.44.30 #       <LinusN> gr8
11.45.26 #       <adi|dads> nice
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11.48.45 #       <LinusN> ho Bagder
11.48.50 #       <Bagder> hey
11.54.11 #       <adi|dads> hmmm.. a hanging bug was reported
11.54.19 #       <adi|dads> ive had it too recently, but i thought it was just me
11.54.24 #       <adi|dads> i get it when im in the quick menus
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11.56.58 #       <Zagor> i love this proxy :(
11.57.12 #       <LinusN> Zagor: how come you don't use muh?
11.57.18 #       <Zagor> I do
11.57.26 #       <Bagder> he does, check his host
11.57.34 #       <LinusN> then why change nick?
11.57.45 #       <Zagor> because I don't use muh from home
11.57.59 #       <LinusN> w2hy not?
11.58.07 #       <Zagor> no reason
11.58.49 #       <Bagder> you can have muh try different nicks anyway
11.59.22 #       <adi|dads> karg|fud you said sourceforge is sending you emails.. how did you turn that off?
12.00.09 #       <Zagor> Bagder: yes, but I don't want muh to hog 'Zagor', that's all
12.01.43 #       <LinusN> Zagor: i thought that was the point
12.02.21 #       <adi|dads> okay.. bed time.. night all.
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12.03.26 #       <Zagor> LinusN: no, the only point for me is to access irc through a proxy.
12.05.46 #       <LinusN> ok
12.06.00 #       <LinusN> i use muh wherever i go
12.06.25 #       <Zagor> yeah, I guess that would be simpler for me too
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12.10.35 #       <LinusN> i need a suggestion for a good dynamic watermark algo
12.10.52 #       <LinusN> use the bitrate infor from the header?
12.11.00 #       <LinusN> tune in as the song plays?
12.11.21 #       <Zagor> bitrate info is usually correct
12.11.50 #       <Zagor> that plus spinup time should be good enough. with a 50-100% margin
12.12.14 #       <LinusN> but when do we know that the spinup time info is correct?
12.12.31 #       <LinusN> in case of resume
12.12.34 #       <Zagor> when it is != 0
12.12.40 #       <Zagor> ?
12.12.56 #       <LinusN> resume -> song starts playing immediately
12.13.03 #       <LinusN> with no spindown in between
12.14.04 #       <Zagor> the spindown timer only changes the value if the disk was sleeping
12.14.04 #       <Zagor> so if no spinup, no spinup time
12.14.15 #       <LinusN> ok, use the max watermark until a measurement is made
12.14.28 #       <Zagor> yes
12.14.55 #       <Zagor> also I guess we could fancy up the timing a bit and use average times
12.15.20 #       <LinusN> yeah, a floating average
12.15.29 #       <LinusN> or whatever it's called
12.15.40 #       <Zagor> yup
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12.25.03 #       <bobTHC> bye all
12.25.21 Quit    bobTHC ("weekend!!!! rulez")
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12.35.03 #       * dwihno ate weird lunch: pasta con carne :)
12.49.06 #       <dwihno> LinusN: Wanna know something funny? The kebab-sång works flawlessly with the archos firmware :)
12.54.07 #       <LinusN> dwihno: give it to me
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13.03.50 #       <LinusN> dynamic bitrate coming up rsn
13.04.08 #       <Bagder> rockers
13.04.16 #       <LinusN> s/bitrate/watermark/
13.04.24 #       <Zagor> great!
13.04.55 #       <dwihno> Yay! :D
13.04.58 #       <dwihno> Yay for L
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13.05.12 #       <quelsaruk> hi
13.05.20 #       <dwihno> Linus: You got file
13.05.31 #       <LinusN> dwihno: i can't do dcc
13.05.58 #       <quelsaruk> LinusN: if you want use my ftp
13.05.58 #       <Zagor> ah, now there's a reason for not always using muh :-)
13.06.37 #       <Bagder> not really
13.06.42 #       <Bagder> muh deals with dcc
13.06.46 #       <Zagor> it does?
13.07.02 #       <Zagor> so why can't linus use it?
13.07.10 #       <Bagder> I don't know
13.07.18 #       <Bagder> his dlink perhaps
13.07.19 #       <dwihno> only cowards use muh ;D
13.07.21 #       <LinusN> no
13.07.28 #       <dwihno> hehu, muh
13.07.30 #       <LinusN> Bagder: i couldn't do it before dlink either
13.07.45 #       <Bagder> then it's because Linus is incompetent ;-)
13.07.50 #       * Bagder hides
13.08.28 #       <LinusN> *slap*
13.08.47 #       <dwihno> LinusN: You got /msg
13.09.04 #       <dwihno> Or perhaps muh re-routed them to /dev/null ;)
13.09.19 #       <Hadaka> ho hum
13.10.51 #       <dwihno> Hello Hadaka
13.10.58 #       <dwihno> Hadaka: Did you implement variable scroll speed? :)
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13.11.56 #       <LinusN> Hadaka: what watermark settings worked for you?
13.13.00 #       <Zagor> dwihno: it's already implemented. we just need to add a setting
13.13.25 #       <dwihno> :O
13.13.30 #       * dwihno gasps
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13.16.12 #       <Hadaka> dwihno: no :)
13.16.38 #       <Hadaka> LinusN: nothing solved the spin-up-while-moving problem
13.16.51 #       <Hadaka> LinusN: but 60000/40000 was the best setting
13.17.05 #       <dwihno> I read the posts about battery in the mailing list.
13.17.25 #       <dwihno> Will a change make a notable difference?
13.17.26 #       <Hadaka> but I think the low watermark needs to be increased even more to take into account the 5 second spin up
13.17.28 #       <LinusN> hmmm, maybe the firmware in the drive performs some tests while powering up, and those fail when the drive is shaking?
13.18.43 #       <dwihno> I note no spin up speed difference with my IBM drive
13.19.11 #       <kargatron> Hadaka, summarize - poweroff=ON gives you poor results when moving?  better when it's OFF?
13.19.29 #       <Hadaka> kargatron: yes.
13.19.41 #       <Hadaka> LinusN: could be
13.19.43 #       <Zagor> dwihno: really?
13.20.08 #       <Hadaka> and the delay between the spinup and reading was weird
13.20.09 #       <dwihno> Zagor: I'll test rightaway, just to double-check
13.20.13 #       <Zagor> dwihno: use the spinup timer. Debug->Disk info
13.20.19 #       <LinusN> dwihno: wow!
13.20.35 #       <LinusN> the kebab song sounds really funky!
13.20.39 #       <Hadaka> oh btw - how is the spinup initiated? just by reading from the disk or is it told to spin up?
13.20.54 #       <dwihno> LinusN: it sure does... fishy, huh? it sounds good in the archos firmware (*eww*)
13.20.56 #       <Zagor> Hadaka: it's explicit
13.21.10 #       <Hadaka> ok
13.22.53 #       <dwihno> With power-off: 2340, without 2510
13.22.54 #       <dwihno> Erhm
13.23.00 #       <dwihno> Isn't that funky? :O
13.23.21 #       <Zagor> that's suspiciously funky
13.23.53 #       <dwihno> Got 2180 now
13.23.56 #       <Hadaka> I think my 20ms is a little more funky ;)
13.24.26 #       <Hadaka> now if only gmane would liven up so i could read the mailing list again
13.25.59 #       <Zagor> dwihno: that could be the reason IBM drives use more power on spinup. they simply do it faster.
13.26.33 #       <Hadaka> there's no way to measure power expenditure inside rockbox is there?
13.26.50 #       <Zagor> no
13.26.53 #       <Hadaka> nods
13.26.56 #       <Zagor> that would be great
13.27.04 #       <Hadaka> indeed
13.28.15 #       <Zagor> LinusN: I'm not sure I want my watermark at 320kbit level for my 96 kbit vbr tracks :-)
13.28.32 #       <LinusN> Zagor: and how would you like it then?
13.28.44 #       <LinusN> there may still be 320kbit frames in it
13.28.45 #       <Zagor> i'm not sure. how about avg.bitrate * 1.5 ?
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13.29.06 #       <Zagor> yes, but average rate is pretty accurate when you're talking about one meg chunks
13.29.12 #       <LinusN> and if not?
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13.29.28 #       <LinusN> Zagor: better safe than sorry
13.29.34 #       <dwihno> Zagor: Might be...
13.29.38 #       <Zagor> the point is, this is no good
13.29.52 #       <Zagor> 75% of my tracks are vbr. now rockbox uses *more
13.29.55 #       <Zagor> * power than before
13.29.57 #       <Hadaka> but if safe means that the buffer will not be used as fully, it means spinups more often which means more battery
13.30.04 #       <Zagor> exactly
13.30.16 #       <LinusN> ok
13.31.03 #       <Hadaka> make it dynamic - and allow for a 'safety zone' setting that can be big or small, depending on one's preferences
13.31.15 #       <Hadaka> and automatically big when running with the charger
13.31.44 #       <Zagor> not a bad idea, actually. that would be like the adjustable mode some people have asked for.
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13.32.07 #       <Zagor> normally "safe level" should be at 0, but if you are out running a lot or otherwise have problems, bump it to 2-4 seconds
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13.32.23 #       <LinusN> we have only one problem left: headerless VBR's
13.32.41 #       <Zagor> those i'm fine with running as 320 kbit
13.32.50 #       <LinusN> Zagor: we can't detect them
13.32.51 #       <Zagor> those are bastard type files anyway
13.32.56 #       <Zagor> ah, right
13.33.12 #       <LinusN> well, actually we can, but it would be a mess
13.33.36 #       <Zagor> what do they show up as today?
13.34.06 #       <LinusN> CBR, with the bitrate of the first frame
13.35.25 #       <Zagor> ugh
13.35.41 #       <kargatron> wow, i'm totally lost.  what is watermarking, and what is it for?  It impacts battery usage?  can reduce jolt-skipping?  sorry for the ignorance
13.36.10 #       <Zagor> the low watermark is how empty the buffer gets before new data is loaded from disk
13.36.16 #       <LinusN> kargatron: the amount of bytes left in the buffer when we should start reading in data again
13.36.22 #       <kargatron> ohh
13.36.46 #       <kargatron> thought it was some kind of digital signature in the file or something - no wonder i was so confused :)
13.36.51 #       <LinusN> i'll create a buffer margin setting
13.37.22 #       <LinusN> but we're out of RTC space :-(
13.37.33 #       <Zagor> ugh, right
13.37.42 #       <Bagder> we need RTC compression! ;-)
13.37.56 #       <LinusN> i am tempted to toss out some of the peak meter settings
13.38.13 #       <kargatron> presumably, some settings are accessed much less often, and can be moved to real files?
13.38.28 #       <Zagor> or at least moved to the non-rtc are of the settings
13.38.40 #       <Zagor> such as peack meter...
13.40.13 #       <Zagor> LinusN: don
13.40.14 #       <LinusN> Zagor: why on earth do you use little endian for the runtime meters?
13.40.40 #       <Zagor> it wasn't on purpose. I just split into bytes.
13.41.04 #       <Zagor> LinusN: what kind of margin do you have for CBR data? I can't see from the patch
13.41.14 #       <Zagor> i.e error margin, if the spinup takes too long etc
13.41.47 #       <LinusN> i multiply the spinup time by 3, where 2 is adequate
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13.42.18 #       <Zagor> so, basically, the disk powers up 10 seconds before data runs out?
13.42.21 #       <LinusN> later to be transformed into the buffer margin setting
13.42.30 #       <Zagor> ok
13.42.35 #       <Zagor> sounds good
13.42.47 #       <LinusN> 10 secs if the spinup time is 3.33 secs
13.43.11 #       <Zagor> i'll pull and test instead of askin a lot :-)
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13.43.55 #       <LinusN> i found some room in RTC
13.44.19 #       <Zagor> if you only need a few bits, there's some space available
13.44.22 #       <LinusN> 0x25    0x39    <disk_spindown flag>
13.44.25 #       <Zagor> right
13.44.30 #       <LinusN> 6 bits free
13.45.29 #       <Zagor> 7 even. spindown is just one bit. (and it's wrong. poweroff is at 0x25. spindown is @ 0x1a)
13.45.45 #       <Zagor> I wrote the comment wrong
13.46.09 #       <LinusN> Zagor: must leave one bit free, so the byte value doesn't accidentally become 0xff
13.46.28 #       <Zagor> ok
13.46.57 #       <Zagor> still buffer margin should only be like 3 bits right?
13.47.06 #       <LinusN> 0x25    0x39    <disk poweroff flag, MP3 buffer margin>
13.47.41 #       <LinusN> 0-7 seconds?
13.47.57 #       <Zagor> yeah, isn't that good?
13.48.00 #       <LinusN> or indices in a list of values?
13.48.29 #       <Zagor> 0-7 is a good start. we can always make a list later if we want
13.48.32 #       <LinusN> let's start with 0-7 secs
13.48.35 #       <LinusN> :-)
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14.10.44 #       <Zagor> yikes. 'lowest' during a 128kbit CBR is ~110 KB
14.11.21 #       <Zagor> testing 320
14.11.57 #       <LinusN> remember, "lowest" doesn't tell the entire truth
14.12.02 #       <Zagor> no?
14.12.23 #       <LinusN> it seems like it never goes below C000 or something
14.12.27 #       <Zagor> 240 KB during 320 kbit
14.12.47 #       <Zagor> meseems it's being a bit over-conservative :-)
14.13.11 #       <LinusN> Zagor: i tested with *2 and it wasn't enough
14.13.18 #       <Zagor> i have test files @ http://rockbox.haxx.se/mp3/
14.13.29 #       <LinusN> well, it was exactly on the margin
14.13.49 #       <Zagor> i'll test some too
14.13.52 #       <LinusN> Zagor: you mean the giana files? i use them for testing.
14.13.58 #       <Zagor> ok. good.
14.19.43 #       <LinusN> when we have fine-tuned this function, we really can claim optimal battery usage :-)
14.20.02 #       <Zagor> yup
14.20.35 #       <Zagor> can you look into the latest value, if it is incorrect. it's a good value to look at
14.20.51 #       <LinusN> sure
14.22.37 #       <Zagor> oh crapola. the id3v1 loader lseek()s to every little piece of info. that hurts!
14.23.22 #       <Zagor> fixing
14.23.34 #       <LinusN> "lowest" should be correct now
14.23.41 #       <Zagor> you found somehting?
14.24.04 #       <LinusN> it wasn't updated when it became 0
14.24.12 #       <LinusN> so it never reached 0
14.24.17 #       <Zagor> ok
14.24.30 #       <LinusN> otherwise it is correct
14.25.59 #       <LinusN> we may want to account for the read() time as well
14.26.09 #       <LinusN> and swap()
14.26.53 #       <LinusN> the most sensitive part is when data has been read, and the swapping hasn't begun yet
14.27.23 #       <Zagor> yes
14.27.28 #       <LinusN> ah, i have an idea
14.27.38 #       <Zagor> we need a margin, for sure. i just want to make it as optimal as we can
14.27.39 #       <Zagor> ok?
14.28.04 #       <Zagor> the swapping time should be pretty linear with the length of the read data, no?
14.28.39 #       <LinusN> yes it is, but there is no swapping taking place when the disk is reading data
14.29.29 #       <Zagor> right. what I mean is the swap time could be easily included in the watermark calculation
14.30.01 #       <LinusN> ah, true
14.30.10 #       <LinusN> but the swap time is transparent
14.30.22 #       <LinusN> it can play and swap simultaneously
14.30.43 #       <Zagor> except for the first chunk
14.30.45 #       <LinusN> it just need to be ahead of the playback
14.30.55 #       <LinusN> wait for my fix...
14.30.58 #       <Zagor> ok :-)
14.31.03 #       <LinusN> thing is:
14.31.25 #       <LinusN> when the buffer wraps, it needs to do 2 read() calls
14.31.29 #       <Zagor> what's the emacs command for setting a particular line's indentation?
14.31.35 #       <LinusN> it will swap between the calls
14.31.44 #       <LinusN> but only 8Kbytes
14.31.48 #       <Zagor> ah, ok
14.32.11 #       <LinusN> so i'll add a check for "playable space"
14.32.27 #       <LinusN> if there isn't enough playable space, it will swap in larger chunks
14.32.38 #       <Zagor> sounds good
14.33.24 #       <Bagder> Zagor: control-x .
14.33.51 #       <Bagder> fill-prefix
14.34.05 #       <Bagder> or did you mean a c indent level?
14.34.08 #       <Zagor> yes
14.34.35 #       <Bagder> control-c control-o on that particular line
14.34.53 #       <Zagor> ahhh...
14.36.15 #       <LinusN> or TAB
14.36.38 #       <LinusN> or am i missing something?
14.37.06 #       <Bagder> if you wanna change the level
14.37.12 #       <Bagder> tab uses the level
14.37.13 #       <Zagor> LinusN: i wanted to change the indentation rule for a specific line ('case' in this...case)
14.37.46 #       <LinusN> ah
14.39.04 #       <LinusN> can you guys repeat the "skips 2 songs" bug reported in the mailing list?
14.39.07 #       <LinusN> i can't
14.40.06 #       <LinusN> improved swap committed
14.40.16 #       <Zagor> i haven't tried :)
14.44.05 #       <LinusN> hehe, the watermark gets lower when i disable disk poweroff
14.44.31 #       <LinusN> i wonder if we should call the buffer margin something else?
14.44.37 #       <LinusN> in the settings
14.44.50 #       <LinusN> like "skip buffer" or the like
14.44.59 #       <LinusN> what is it called in cd players?
14.45.40 #       <Zagor> hmm
14.46.26 #       <Zagor> I think they usually call it "Skip protection"
14.46.59 #       <Zagor> Anti-skip even :-)
14.47.26 #       <Zagor> nah, differs. "Skip protection" is good IMHO
14.48.43 #       <LinusN> but 0 seconds makes it sound like we have none at all...
14.49.04 #       <LinusN> well, maybe it's true
14.49.07 #       <Zagor> Call it "Extra anti-skip" then :-)
14.49.27 #       <LinusN> "Anti-skip buffer"
14.49.43 #       <LinusN> a tough one to translate :-)
14.50.10 #       <Zagor> hehe
14.50.19 #       <LinusN> is "Anti-skip buffer" ok?
14.51.00 #       <Zagor> yes, I think so
14.51.11 #       <LinusN> ok
14.51.17 #       <Bagder> An tisk IP ?
14.51.22 #       <Bagder> :-P
14.51.57 #       <LinusN> go back to sleep, Bagder
14.52.11 #       <Bagder> me not sleep
14.52.14 #       <Bagder> me debug 
14.52.25 #       <LinusN> go back to debugging, Bagder
14.52.42 #       * Bagder goes back to debugging
14.52.57 #       <LinusN> ...and stay there! :-)
14.53.32 #       * Bagder watches the thick doors close and hears the lock click behind him
14.54.44 #       <Bagder> SKIP = Sick Kids need Involved People, Inc.
14.54.55 #       <Bagder> acronymfinder.com is nice ;-)
14.55.48 #       <Bagder> so, anti-skip must be people who are not involved
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15.11.15 #       <Zagor> Bagder: did you add the "min frame size" check to setid3v2title()? the TYER frame is 4 bytes (8 with header)
15.12.16 #       <Bagder> I don't see it matters who did it, but I don't think it was me
15.12.35 #       <Zagor> it doesn't matter, I just wondered if you knew something I don't :-)
15.12.41 #       <Bagder> ok
15.12.54 #       <Bagder> but I don't ;-)
15.13.04 #       <Zagor> I noticed ;-P
15.14.35 #       <Zagor> the id3v2 header is supposed to be 10 bytes. I just found a file saying just "ID3" and then start stacking frames...
15.15.04 #       <Zagor> it's nice having the spec. too bad people don't give a rats about it... :-)
15.15.23 #       <Bagder> that's the nice part with specs
15.15.33 #       <Bagder> they're fine to read but people don't care about them ;-)
15.15.45 #       <Zagor> up
15.15.46 #       <Zagor> yup
15.15.59 #       <Bagder> been there a few times with the http spec
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15.30.42 #       <Bagder> time to run home
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16.05.26 #       <LinusN> that's what i call running
16.05.32 #       <Bagder> :-)
16.05.52 #       <Bagder> I run fast
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16.21.29 #       <Zagor> boom. 1KB text added :)
16.22.02 #       <Bagder> oooo
16.22.24 #       <Bagder> I can't understand people who want that
16.22.33 #       <Bagder> can't they hear the music?
16.22.49 #       <Zagor> :-)
16.22.52 #       <Bagder> or are they thinking like this "oh, what's this genre of music called?"
16.23.06 #       <Zagor> also it's always wrong on stuff you download
16.23.12 #       <Bagder> indeed
16.23.37 #       <Zagor> still, a complete id3v1 implementation has it, so...
16.23.43 #       <Bagder> I agree
16.23.49 #       <Bagder> I just won't use it
16.24.02 #       <LinusN> and it's also a matter of taste
16.24.17 #       <LinusN> is it trance or is it dance?
16.24.20 #       <Bagder> I don't know anyone with taste ;-)
16.24.52 #       <LinusN> "Techno-Industrial"
16.25.13 #       <Bagder> right, I can never find a fitting genre when I've tried to fine one
16.25.14 #       <Bagder> find
16.25.22 #       <LinusN> and what's the difference between Ballad and Power Ballad?
16.25.40 #       <LinusN> and who dares to tag it Porn Groove?
16.25.50 #       <Bagder> Ballad and Power Ballad are overly stupid
16.26.42 #       <LinusN> and Humour vs Satire
16.26.53 #       <LinusN> i can go on for ages
16.27.13 #       <LinusN> the whole genre thing is pretty silly imho
16.27.27 #       <Zagor> I think we've established that, yes :-)
16.28.12 #       <LinusN> Zagor: try the newest dynamic buffer handling
16.28.31 #       <Zagor> soon
16.48.10 #       <Zagor> LinusN: it seems playback start is delayed longer now
16.49.26 #       <LinusN> yes, the default watermark is higher now
16.49.54 #       <LinusN> wait until the HD has stopped and see if that makes any difference
16.50.21 #       <Zagor> it does. no sound until disk reading is completed.
16.51.09 #       <Zagor> gotta go now. see you later!
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16.51.25 #       <Bagder> uh, me too
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18.41.42 #       <kargatron> how was genre implemented - a read-only file of a number-name table?
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19.23.08 Topic   "Zagor appeared on swedish TV - http://rockbox.haxx.se/TODO" by Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se)
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19.28.49 #       <Triple-z> zagor on tv? nice, when?
19.28.56 #       <Bagder> just 10 minutes ago
19.29.16 #       <Bagder> they taped it yesterday
19.29.42 #       <Bagder> it was regarding his "swap appartment" site
19.30.14 #       <LinusN> and they gave the wrong URL! :-)
19.30.17 #       <Bagder> yes
19.30.26 #       <Triple-z> whats the site?
19.30.28 #       <Bagder> I've mailed Arne about it to set one up 
19.30.46 #       <Bagder> Triple-z: its in swedish: bjorn.haxx.se/byta/
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19.47.44 #       <Bagder> the tv-star arrives!
19.47.58 #       * Bagder bows
19.47.58 #       <Triple-z> heh
19.48.05 #       * Triple-z too
19.48.13 #       <Zagor> hey. too bad my vcr didn't record anything, so I haven't seen it myself :-)
19.48.30 #       <Bagder> I recorded it
19.48.34 #       <Zagor> you did? cool!
19.48.41 #       <Bagder> I got home 2 minutes before it started ;-)
19.48.47 #       <Zagor> excellent
19.49.02 #       <Bagder> as you saw, they showed a bad url 
19.49.25 #       <Zagor> they did?
19.49.28 #       <Bagder> yeah
19.49.34 #       <LinusN> www.bjorn.haxx.se
19.49.38 #       <LinusN> silly people
19.49.58 #       <LinusN> why do they always assume that all addressesm begin with www?
19.50.01 #       <Bagder> Zagor: see my mail I mailed you
19.50.26 #       <LinusN> i recorded it too
19.50.29 #       <Zagor> argh
19.50.43 #       <Zagor> Bagder: can we fix a CNAME for www.bjorn ?
19.50.43 #       <LinusN> and they displayed the url in all capitals :-)
19.50.55 #       <Bagder> Zagor: but the URL of your browser was also seen on TV, with the correct url
19.50.57 #       <LinusN> we have mailed the admin already
19.51.05 #       <Bagder> Zagor: read my mail ;-)
19.51.13 #       * Zagor goes reading his mail
19.54.43 #       <Zagor> LinusN: can you divx-encode the video and put it somewhere for me?
19.57.33 #       <LinusN> maybe
19.58.01 #       <LinusN> you'll have to give me some time for that
19.58.11 #       <Zagor> ok
19.58.43 #       <Zagor> if you could just digitize it, I could do the conversion of course. but I guess the conversion is not what takes time :-)
20.02.13 #       <LinusN> no, it's booting into w2k and firing up the matrox card
20.03.48 #       <Bagder> would be neat to get docs on how to run on the fm
20.03.53 #       <Zagor> http://svt.se/svt/jsp/Crosslink.jsp?d=857
20.04.21 #       <Bagder> correct address there
20.04.46 #       <Zagor> yup. i think the reporter had it right, but the graphics people screwed up
20.07.31 #       <Bagder> they showed it around 6 too
20.08.27 #       <Zagor> wow, in the 5-minute news? maybe it will air in the 21.40-news too then.
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20.09.25 #       <LinusN> can you guys try the latest BE and see if it skips, and if the start-of-playback speed has improved?
20.09.52 #       <Zagor> will do. the one I fetched just before I left skipped a lot :-)
20.11.31 #       <LinusN> try with and without poweroff
20.11.52 #       <Zagor> ok
20.12.12 #       <LinusN> and experiment with the anti-skip setting
20.20.13 #       <Zagor> i'm getting a lot of mail from people who saw me on TV :-) apparently it aired nation-wide, not just in Stockholm
20.21.13 #       <Bagder> c00l
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20.22.12 #       <johnny> hello
20.28.52 #       <Bagder> hey
20.29.27 #       <edx> Zagor: you've been on TV? for what reason? :)
20.29.38 #       <Zagor> my apartment swapping site
20.30.05 #       <edx> nice :) - a well known channel?
20.30.37 #       <Zagor> yeah, SVT2, on of the two main state channel. on their regional news show.
20.30.47 #       <edx> cool
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20.33.28 #       <johnny> hmmm....
20.33.45 #       <johnny> i just installed rockbox on my ipod. now there's smoke coming out of it
20.34.03 #       <Bagder> that's our self-destruct mechanism ;-)
20.34.12 #       <Zagor> lol
20.34.16 #       <johnny> ;-)
20.34.31 #       <Bagder> "this disk will self-destruct in 5 seconds"
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20.47.20 #       <Zagor> there's constantly 6-8 searches running. nice having with dual Athlons :)
20.47.57 #       <Bagder> :-)
20.48.38 #       <Zagor> about 200 new ads the last hour
21.00.29 #       <LinusN> tried the dynamic watermarking yet, Zagor?
21.00.35 #       <LinusN> Bagder?
21.00.42 #       <LinusN> anyone?
21.00.49 #       <Zagor> testing now
21.01.26 #       <Bagder> ok, time to test
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21.01.57 #       <LinusN> especially the playback start time
21.02.54 #       <Zagor> what's the new wm: values?
21.03.05 #       <Mine78> Linus I am able to partially reproduce the bug I told you some days ago... about the blank screen exiting and re-entering a song
21.03.45 #       <Mine78> It happens when you play a song than exit and go around in direcotries
21.04.03 #       <Mine78> when the song change and you re-press on to see which one it is, sometime the screen is blank
21.04.20 #       <LinusN> ok
21.04.34 #       <LinusN> Zagor: WaterMark
21.04.37 #       <Mine78> It doesn't happen always. It often happens if I use the 5x7 font... dunno if it's related
21.04.41 #       <LinusN> calculated - lowest
21.05.01 #       <LinusN> Mine78: interesting
21.05.02 #       <Zagor> ok. got lowest A2FE now. that's a nice low margin.
21.05.18 #       <LinusN> antiskip = 0?
21.05.36 #       <Zagor> yes
21.06.03 #       <Bagder> uff
21.06.12 #       <Bagder> skip at first attempt
21.06.25 #       <Bagder> 128kbit cbr
21.06.29 #       <Zagor> startup is much quicker now
21.06.45 #       <Bagder> 3e80 - 0
21.06.59 #       <LinusN> 3e80????
21.07.05 #       <kargatron> is that bug recently noted on the list still undiagnosed (audio dropouts during disk read)?
21.07.06 #       <Bagder> yessir
21.07.07 #       <LinusN> wow!
21.07.23 #       <Bagder> but its crap
21.07.28 #       <LinusN> kargatron: it is being worked on
21.07.46 #       <LinusN> kargatron: it's only been a few hours since we introduced it, be patient :-)
21.07.46 #       <Zagor> kargatron: it's the new dynamic watermark code. being tuned right now.
21.07.51 #       <Bagder> and another skip
21.08.02 #       <Bagder> 5dc0 - 0
21.08.03 #       <LinusN> Bagder: poweroff = yes?
21.08.16 #       <Zagor> Bagder: what is your spinup time?
21.08.27 #       <kargatron> just asking to judge if i should grab latest, is all.   i've never deliberately rushed developement. :)
21.08.38 #       <Bagder> poweroff = yes
21.08.49 #       <LinusN> kargatron: please use the latest, to test
21.09.06 #       <LinusN> Bagder: the spinup measurement gives very short times
21.09.09 #       <LinusN> for you
21.09.19 #       <Bagder> 5210ms!
21.09.37 #       <LinusN> that is loooong
21.09.42 #       <Zagor> very very strange
21.09.42 #       <Bagder> and 600ms now
21.09.50 #       <Zagor> that's the bug
21.09.55 #       <Zagor> how the heck can it be 600?
21.10.39 #       <LinusN> Bagder: do you use a playlist?
21.10.44 #       <Zagor> LinusN: until that is fixed, I suggest you treat any spinup time < 2500 as 2500
21.10.52 #       <Bagder> LinusN: playlist, yes
21.10.56 #       <LinusN> try without
21.10.59 #       <Bagder> ok
21.11.00 #       <LinusN> dir play
21.11.11 #       <LinusN> Zagor: can you put that in the ata code?
21.11.27 #       <Zagor> that makes it much harder to debug
21.11.41 #       <LinusN> Zagor: i don't get it, but ok
21.12.11 #       <Bagder> found another 128kbit now, but this time it says bb80 - 
21.12.23 #       <LinusN> bb80 is way low
21.12.28 #       <Zagor> I mean if I change it in ata.c, the bug will be invisible and we can't get third party reports about it
21.12.44 #       <Zagor> since Disk info will also report 2500 as lowest
21.12.44 #       <Bagder> spinup now says 1910 ms
21.12.49 #       <LinusN> third party will not know if i fix it either
21.13.00 #       <LinusN> Zagor: aha, now i get it
21.13.04 #       <Zagor> they will when we ask then to check disk info
21.13.34 #       <Bagder> skips just as bad
21.13.36 #       <Zagor> Bagder: what disk do you have?
21.13.38 #       <Bagder> on every load
21.13.51 #       <Zagor> yes, with those buggy spinup times it will skip
21.14.01 #       <Bagder> fujitsu MHN2200AT
21.14.32 #       <Zagor> ouch, I have lowest 0 now. didn't notice the skip though
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21.15.07 #       <Bagder> gah
21.15.10 #       <Bagder> it not only skips
21.15.16 #       <Bagder> it plays a part of the previous song
21.15.24 #       <Bagder> when it had moved on
21.15.33 #       <LinusN> ouch
21.16.14 #       <Bagder> what's the write and swap valueS?
21.16.32 #       <LinusN> indexes in the ring buffer
21.16.37 #       <LinusN> write = disk write
21.16.38 #       <Bagder> ok
21.16.41 #       <LinusN> swap = swap
21.16.43 #       <LinusN> :-)
21.16.49 #       <Zagor> really? ;)
21.16.58 #       <Bagder> hehe
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21.17.31 #       <Zagor> sound start is nice and fast
21.17.54 #       <LinusN> i have spinup=1630ms
21.18.07 #       <Zagor> wth?
21.18.22 #       <Zagor> any ideas how that can happen?
21.18.26 #       <Bagder> I try a 192kbit now
21.18.36 #       <Zagor> internal disk prefetch or something?
21.18.43 #       <Bagder> but still a bad spinup at 620
21.18.54 #       <Zagor> but then it should be like 20ms, not those odd half-low values
21.19.19 #       <Bagder> oooh
21.19.22 #       <Bagder> no skip!
21.19.24 #       <Bagder> ;-)
21.19.28 #       <Zagor> got a skip now too, at 128 kbit. spinup 3550ms
21.19.39 #       <Zagor> wm: 1B580 - 0
21.20.15 #       <Zagor> adding spinup time to the mpeg debug screen might be an idea
21.20.22 #       <Bagder> yeah
21.20.24 #       <Bagder> all in one
21.21.10 #       <Zagor> skip again. 3650 ms
21.21.18 #       <Zagor> strange
21.21.46 #       <Zagor> 1B580 should be plenty of time @128kbit
21.21.48 #       <Bagder> my 192kbit seems to do fine now
21.25.18 #       <Bagder> any theories on the spinup time bug?
21.25.45 #       <Bagder> uuuuh
21.25.48 #       <Zagor> no
21.25.50 #       <Bagder> no sound
21.25.54 #       <Bagder> but it runs
21.26.02 #       <Bagder> the playable moves
21.26.12 #       <Bagder> that's what I call a skip
21.26.25 #       <Zagor> it's very strange. how can it spin up, and not calculate the time correctly?
21.26.28 #       <Bagder> waaa
21.26.45 #       <Bagder> and it came back when the whole buffer was through one extra lap 
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21.27.07 #       <LinusN> Bagder: that may be a double swap
21.27.19 #       <Bagder> would it be silent then?
21.28.09 #       <Bagder> btw
21.28.19 #       <Bagder> if a skip occurs, shouldn't the wm value change?
21.28.23 #       <Zagor> 160 kbit seems to work too
21.28.33 #       <LinusN> Bagder: if it swaps, and then swaps back, yes
21.28.54 #       <LinusN> Bagder: no it shouldn't change
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21.29.11 #       <elinenbe> hi there :)
21.29.14 #       <elinenbe> long time no see!
21.29.15 #       <LinusN> hi
21.29.19 #       <Bagder> why not? shouldn't it compensate somehow?
21.29.22 #       <Bagder> hey elinenbe
21.29.27 #       <elinenbe> Zagor appeared on TV???
21.29.28 #       <elinenbe> for what?
21.29.39 #       <elinenbe> you have been making some awesome progress!
21.29.41 #       <elinenbe> way to go!
21.29.53 #       <Zagor> it was not about rockbox :-)
21.30.17 #       <LinusN> Bagder: the whole idea is that we should never skip
21.30.22 #       <elinenbe> Zagor: what was it for?
21.30.28 #       <Bagder> true
21.30.45 #       <Zagor> elinenbe: i run an apartment swapping web site, and it made the news
21.30.46 #       <elinenbe> LinusN: I don't know what you are talking about, but I would rather have 100 hour batterlife with random skips every 5 seconds.
21.30.48 #       <Triple-z> the new keyboard will be used for search also?
21.30.52 #       <elinenbe> Zagor: nice :)
21.31.00 #       <LinusN> Triple-z: for all text input
21.31.15 #       <Triple-z> cant wait
21.31.37 #       <Bagder> funny enough my 192kbit ones run fine
21.31.53 #       <Zagor> Bagder: are you getting any mail? i haven't gotten one the last 30 minutes
21.31.58 #       <LinusN> Bagder: it compensates for high bitrate
21.32.06 #       <Triple-z> 3 thing i really lookin for: 1. quque 2. search 3. bidi scroll
21.32.19 #       <LinusN> Zagor: labb os down due to byta-overload
21.32.25 #       <LinusN> :-)
21.32.26 #       <Bagder> Zagor: I'm zero mails since 30 mins too
21.32.50 #       <Zagor> LinusN: could be, if the mail passed through it :-)
21.33.22 #       <LinusN> i thought the rockbox mailing list did that
21.33.37 #       <Zagor> yes it does. but I get *no* mail.
21.34.33 #       <Zagor> nice. a 56kbit song gets a very low watermark
21.34.37 #       <Bagder> no, there's a prob somewhere
21.35.01 #       <Zagor> sendmail is responding, at least
21.35.33 #       <Zagor> uh, no it doesn't. not on mail.haxx.se :-(
21.35.39 #       <LinusN> oh
21.35.48 #       <elinenbe> what is bidi scroll?
21.35.56 #       <LinusN> bidirectional
21.36.27 Nick    LinusN is now known as LinusN|fairytale (~linus@labb.contactor.se)
21.37.09 #       <Bagder> Zagor: right, its a haxx.se problem
21.37.27 #       <Bagder> I could mail myself to contactor.se from home
21.37.52 #       <Bagder> "Domain of sender address daniel@haxx.se does not resolve"
21.38.14 #       <Zagor> boo. bad night for a breakdown :-(
21.38.47 #       <Zagor> 25 sendmail processes running
21.38.51 #       <Bagder> but its weird since the dns seems to work fine
21.39.00 #       <Zagor> but no cpu load
21.40.04 #       <Zagor> elit dns is busted
21.43.03 #       <elinenbe> you guys ROCK the BOX!!!
21.44.40 #       <elinenbe> I think that you should add .ogg playing.
21.44.46 #       <elinenbe> either that or .divx playing.
21.44.56 #       <elinenbe> I would love to watch divx movies on my recorder
21.45.06 #       <elinenbe> hehe -- I love giving you a hard time :)
21.45.30 #       <Triple-z> does ipod used special software to transfer files? or is it like the ABJR?
21.45.54 #       <elinenbe> Triple-z: special software
21.46.03 #       <Triple-z> shitty
21.46.09 #       <Triple-z> u sure?
21.46.15 #       <elinenbe> Triple-z: the ipod wishes it was as cool as the Archos Recorder (with rockbox)
21.46.20 #       <elinenbe> Triple-z: yup, I have one!
21.46.31 #       <Triple-z> you can put only mp3 on it?
21.46.33 #       <elinenbe> Triple-z: I NEVER use it... I really only use my Archos Recorder.
21.47.00 #       <elinenbe> Triple-z: no, you can mount is as a hard drive, but when it is a hard drive you can not see the music files on it.
21.47.04 #       <Triple-z> you got the windows version of ipod?
21.48.00 #       <Triple-z> dude you should mail you your ipod if you dont need it..
21.48.25 #       <elinenbe> mail it where?  China?
21.48.40 #       <elinenbe> I have the mac version, but I converted it to the windows version.
21.48.57 #       <Triple-z> where you live?
21.49.18 #       <Triple-z> where do you live that is
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21.50.46 #       <Triple-z> anyway hows the ipod frimware? with the jog and all that, is it good?
21.51.42 #       <Zagor> i'd also like to know if it really does no caching during playback
21.53.07 #       <elinenbe> IT is okay.
21.53.27 #       <elinenbe> the new version is way worse (non moving jog dial!)
21.53.34 #       <elinenbe> I hate the way it works/feels
21.54.57 #       <elinenbe> it is like a touchpad on a laptop!
21.55.17 #       <elinenbe> Zagor: I am unsure about that...
21.55.54 #       <Triple-z> hows the screen? design? size?
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21.56.53 #       <BoD[]> hi !
21.57.30 #       <elinenbe> hi there.
21.57.37 #       <elinenbe> are you an archos jukebox user?
21.58.17 #       <johnny> i'm using an ipod ;-)
21.58.34 #       <johnny> just in case you someone wanted to know *g*
21.59.08 #       <Triple-z> yeah i wanna know
21.59.17 #       <johnny> hehe
21.59.26 #       <Triple-z> its smaller than archos?
21.59.31 #       <y0m> hi there
21.59.46 #       <johnny> i think so
22.00.07 #       <johnny> it's like a card game
22.00.19 #       <y0m> it looks smaller
22.00.21 #       <Bagder> how's the playback time with it on fully charged batteries?
22.00.34 #       <Triple-z> well it dosent got open source code frimware right?
22.00.39 #       <johnny> 10 hours
22.00.42 #       <BoD[]> does it have tetris ? ;))
22.00.47 #       <y0m> (:
22.00.53 #       <Triple-z> or sokoban?
22.00.54 #       <johnny> BoD[]: only break-out ;)
22.01.08 #       <Bagder> we need breakout
22.01.11 #       <BoD[]> .. really ??
22.01.12 #       <johnny> hihi
22.01.14 #       <Schnueff> heh
22.01.15 #       <y0m> hahaha
22.01.16 #       <johnny> yepp
22.01.18 #       <BoD[]> I thought it had no game
22.01.23 #       <Triple-z> you like it generally?
22.01.32 #       <johnny> i'm in love with it
22.01.46 #       <Triple-z> u got also archos?
22.01.57 #       <johnny> nope
22.02.03 #       <BoD[]> how many ms between 2 tracks when clicking "next"
22.02.11 #       <Triple-z> so what are you doin here dude?
22.02.28 #       <johnny> Triple-z: i'm finding your project quite intresting
22.02.30 #       <Zagor> 10+ concurrent byta-processes now. the cstrike server is starting to see increased pings...
22.02.52 #       <Bagder> hehe
22.03.01 #       <BoD[]> hein?
22.03.28 #       <Triple-z> well it not mine buy it is quite intresting
22.03.31 #       <johnny> Triple-z: and i found the rockbox-website already, when i was still unsure, which player to buy 
22.03.33 #       <Triple-z> :P
22.03.38 #       <johnny> ok ;)
22.04.01 #       <Triple-z> ipod does look cool
22.04.22 #       <Triple-z> but i got my archos before the windows ver of ipod
22.04.27 #       <Bagder> 32 MB ram makes the programmers spoiled ;-)
22.04.35 #       <johnny> *g*
22.04.52 #       <Triple-z> yeah that this is da bomb, 32mb jeez
22.05.02 #       <johnny> but there aren't a lot of ipod-programmers, i'm afraid
22.05.18 #       <Bagder> still, it has gaps in the playback they say
22.05.24 #       <Triple-z> www.ipodhacks.com is any good?
22.05.33 #       <johnny> Triple-z: no, too high level ;)
22.05.46 #       <Triple-z> too high?
22.05.57 #       <johnny> Triple-z: this is more intresting: http://members.lycos.co.uk/busonerd/ipod.php
22.06.30 #       <BoD[]> you can modify the firmware in an ipod ??
22.06.39 #       <johnny> not yet, i think
22.07.04 #       <Triple-z> anyone ever saw rioriot?
22.07.18 #       <BoD[]> nop?
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22.07.20 #       <johnny> only pictures of it ;)
22.07.27 #       <Triple-z> or used even better
22.07.29 #       <BoD[]> what is it
22.07.29 #       <elinenbe> I think the rioriot is a piece of shiz...
22.07.32 #       <Bagder> LinusN: any good tails tonight? ;-)
22.07.36 #       <Triple-z> pics i also saw
22.07.45 #       <elinenbe> did anyone ever hear back from the company that is making an "open source" player?
22.08.13 #       <Triple-z> i wanna see some good pic of ipod near archos to see the size diffrence
22.08.14 #       <Triple-z> or
22.08.21 #       <Triple-z> ipod on your plam
22.08.24 #       <LinusN> Mamma Mu bygger en koja
22.08.28 #       <Triple-z> something like it
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22.08.56 #       <Bagder> ;-)
22.09.15 #       <Triple-z> anyone got that kinda pics?
22.09.25 #       <johnny> Triple-z: www.ipodlounge.com 
22.09.33 #       <johnny> there are lots of pics with hands
22.10.02 #       <Triple-z> thanks
22.10.11 #       <Triple-z> got more good sites?
22.10.23 #       <johnny> yes, but not ipod-related ;-)
22.10.37 #       <Triple-z> so..?
22.10.48 #       <johnny> that was a joke (sort of)
22.10.51 #       <BoD[]> :)))))
22.10.57 #       <Triple-z> guessed that
22.11.02 #       <johnny> ;-)
22.11.42 #       <Triple-z> www.ipodhardcore.com <=- blonds doin it with ipods on them :D
22.12.07 #       <BoD[]> i actually clicked on that
22.12.12 #       <Triple-z> heh
22.12.25 #       <Triple-z> its working?
22.12.32 #       <BoD[]> :)))))
22.12.40 #       <BoD[]> how sad am i :)
22.12.42 #       <johnny> hihi
22.14.05 #       <Zagor> oh god. 30 processes now... this is worse than slashdot :-)
22.14.36 #       <Bagder> ~600 new ones since this afternoon ;-)
22.14.47 #       <BoD[]> by the way.. any idea about the HITACHI_DK23CA-20 problems I experience?
22.15.03 #       <johnny> sooo. i'm going to a pub now ...
22.15.04 #       <Bagder> BoD[]: we have heaps of new problems right now
22.15.09 #       <Zagor> BoD[]: can't say I do
22.15.21 #       <BoD[]> ok :)
22.15.50 #       <BoD[]> i'll stay with the 2002 11 30 version
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22.16.01 #       <BoD[]> and try new ones as they come
22.16.33 #       <Triple-z> jo: you got the 10gb windows version?
22.16.56 #       <Bagder> ah, right those ipods have tiny disks
22.17.05 #       <Bagder> :-)
22.17.21 #       <Triple-z> they got 20ver i think
22.17.43 #       <Bagder> for an arm and a leg if so
22.17.45 #       <Triple-z> how fast USB 2.0 actually works?
22.17.48 #       <johnny> Triple-z: exactly. 10 gig, win
22.17.53 #       <BoD[]> i'd buy one if they'd come in 40G .... and cheaper;))
22.18.06 #       <johnny> and it's a 1.8-inch-disk
22.18.36 #       <Bagder> Triple-z: the 2.0 is MUCH faster than the slowmo 1.1
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22.18.38 #       <johnny> usb 2.0 is a little bit slower than firewire i think
22.18.48 #       <Bagder> nope
22.18.51 #       <Zagor> USB2 is actually a little bit faster than firewire
22.18.51 #       <johnny> no?
22.19.07 #       <Zagor> but the disks are always the limiting factor, so it doesn't differ
22.19.09 #       <johnny> but i was right with the "little bit"-part
22.19.14 #       <Zagor> hehe
22.19.22 #       <Triple-z> bagder: but how fast its working with archos?
22.19.45 #       <Bagder> Triple-z: I don't remember exactly, but I think I copied over my first 15GB in just a little over an hour
22.20.05 #       <Bagder> it was a while ago
22.20.28 #       <johnny> hmmmm
22.21.15 #       <]ack[> sorry to bother, does anyone here have a 0.7a drive working in their archos?  I know the old hitachi drives were 0.5a...
22.21.37 #       <Bagder> a as in ampere?
22.21.44 #       <]ack[> yep
22.22.01 #       <]ack[> all the drives I see in stores are 0.7a
22.23.06 #       <Bagder> Zagor: did ya watch the late abc?
22.24.14 #       <]ack[> is there a difference I should be worried about?
22.24.35 #       * Bagder still runs with the original 20GB
22.24.42 #       <Zagor> no, naturally I missed that... but they have it published on svt.se. I'm installing realplayer now...
22.25.06 #       <Bagder> aha, neat. Put a link on the site
22.25.21 #       <Zagor> ah, good idea
22.25.23 #       <]ack[> hmmm....anyone else here have a non-factory drive installed in their JB?
22.25.34 #       <Bagder> btw, should we point to the archos user forums from the rockbox site?
22.26.39 #       <BoD[]> abc?
22.28.10 #       <Bagder> abc is the news show Zagor appeared in
22.28.42 #       <BoD[]> oh :) what what is about
22.28.47 #       <BoD[]> hem
22.28.48 #       <BoD[]> i mean
22.29.01 #       <BoD[]> what was it about
22.29.03 #       <BoD[]> ?
22.29.04 #       <Bagder> haxx.se mails coming through
22.29.12 #       <Bagder> BoD[]: about his apartment site
22.29.21 #       <LinusN> BoD[]: he has made a site for swapping appartments
22.29.30 #       <BoD[]> oh really :)
22.29.48 #       <BoD[]> what's the url
22.29.50 #       <Zagor> Bagder: i noticed :-)
22.31.13 #       <Bagder> with exponential back-off times, you never know ;-)
22.32.54 #       <Zagor> BoD[]: http://bjorn.haxx.se/byta/  (it's all in swedish)
22.35.21 #       <BoD[]> perl :) youhouu
22.35.48 #       <BoD[]> ah ahha :) I like the simcity logo :))
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22.42.45 #       <BoD[]> going to watch tv
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22.45.34 #       <LinusN> ok, the current watermark calculations are a bit optimistic
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22.50.06 #       <LinusN> Zagor: finally, you can put "as seen on TV" on anything you've made :-)
22.50.25 #       <Bagder> YES! ;-)
22.50.48 #       <Bagder> but I didn't see any rockbox
22.51.10 #       <Zagor> haha
22.51.47 #       <Zagor> we actually touched on that during the interview, but of course it didn't make it to the final cut
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22.57.01 #       <LinusN> new mpeg.c committed
22.57.56 #       <Bagder> ah, and a safety check for really bad spinup times ;-)
22.58.58 #       <LinusN> now it wastes space, but is safer
22.59.24 #       <Triple-z> anyone got avatar of abjr?
22.59.28 #       <LinusN> i'd like you giys to try it
22.59.40 #       <Bagder> I'm about to
22.59.51 #       <Triple-z> like this one for ipod http://www.ipoding.com/images/topics/ipod.gif
23.00.20 #       <Bagder> what's avatar?
23.00.54 #       <Triple-z> mall pic
23.01.07 #       <Triple-z> check that one of ipod
23.01.12 #       <Triple-z> small
23.02.52 #       <Bagder> LinusN: does playlist or dir matter?
23.03.41 #       <Bagder> kicking off with a 192
23.04.00 #       <Bagder> 2bf20 seems big enough
23.04.17 #       <Zagor> gosh! I just looked at their 5-minute news spot from 18.55. A whole minute was spent about my site!
23.05.06 #       <Bagder> 128kbit now
23.05.18 #       <LinusN> 2bf20 may be close to the margin for a 192kbit/s file
23.05.39 #       <Bagder> did fine
23.06.18 #       <Bagder> dang
23.06.21 #       <Bagder> skipped
23.06.29 #       <Bagder> 1d4c0 on 128kbit
23.07.05 #       <LinusN> 1d4c0?
23.07.46 #       <Bagder> yes
23.08.37 #       <Bagder> skips multiple times too
23.09.01 #       <LinusN> ok, that means that the 2.5s safety margin isn't enough
23.09.47 #       <Bagder> crap
23.09.49 #       <LinusN> ok, as long as the spinup measurement fails like this, this isn't gonna work
23.09.50 #       <Bagder> 192kbit skipped too
23.10.10 #       <Bagder> 2bf20
23.10.19 #       <LinusN> that is way low
23.10.58 #       <LinusN> what is the shortest real life spinup time we've seen?
23.12.07 #       <Bagder> I dunno
23.12.31 #       <LinusN> i see a potential measurement problem
23.13.49 #       <LinusN> oh, false alarm
23.20.27 #       <LinusN> Zagor: have you tried?
23.20.59 #       <Zagor> no, i've been a bit busy :)
23.21.13 #       <Zagor> anyone know a way to rip realplayer streams?
23.21.27 #       <LinusN> no i don't
23.22.23 #       <LinusN> it seems like we have real problems measuring Bagder's spinup times
23.24.35 #       <Zagor> yeah. i can't figure out how that happens :-(
23.24.50 #       <LinusN> Bagder: what spinup times seem realistic to you?
23.25.39 #       <LinusN> Zagor: is there a chance that the sleeping flag can be set without the drive being asleep?
23.26.20 #       <LinusN> i guess not
23.26.37 #       <Zagor> i can't see how, anyway
23.27.00 #       <LinusN> it works 100% for me
23.27.24 #       <Zagor> yeah, me too
23.27.46 #       <LinusN> i guess the toshiba is nice to us
23.31.23 #       <Bagder> I find it really hard to estimate the spinup times
23.31.52 #       <Zagor> yes it is
23.32.03 #       <Triple-z> anyone got a good case for the jukebox?
23.35.43 #       <Bagder> time to hit it
23.35.49 #       <Bagder> night guys
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23.44.26 #       <Zagor> same here
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