--- Log for 06.12.102 Server: calvino.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: @logbot Version: Dancer V4.16p1 Started: 13 days and 9 hours ago 00.00.08 Join Moof [0] (~moof@195.101.176.125) 00.03.13 # http://www.ipodlounge.com/assets/galleries/iatw_gallery/image/ipods_world176.jpg :P 00.08.58 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.16.51 # cute:) 00.16.56 Nick BoD[tv] is now known as BoD[] (~BoD@m131.net81-67-41.noos.fr) 00.32.16 Part kargatron 00.35.25 # hurm 00.35.36 # alright 00.36.16 # :) 00.36.30 # I need to pick up 2100 mah batteries for recorder, but just spent like $100 on PDA stuff in past two weeks 00.43.39 # i'd like to have a reversecounter in rockbox 00.44.33 # i should submit this in the frequests:) 00.45.15 # yea 00.45.24 # any idea how much longer playlists queuing will take? 00.45.55 # BoD[]: reversecounter? 00.48.08 Join TotMacher [0] (tot@pD9520E5E.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.48.28 Quit TotMacher (Client Quit) 00.48.36 Join TotMacher [0] (tot@ip116.rsidus.riege.de) 00.48.36 # Linus, do you happen to know the answer to my question? :-p 00.49.24 # Jet8810: i know all answers to all questions :-) 00.49.30 # heh 00.49.33 # care to answer it? :-p 00.49.48 # Jet8810: nobody is working on it 00.49.51 # really? 00.49.59 # do not that many people want it? 00.50.05 # that is the one hole missing...IMO 00.50.16 # as it is now, almost only 2 people are actually working on stuff 00.50.26 # i and zagor 00.50.49 Quit TotMacher (Client Quit) 00.50.58 # whoa 00.50.59 Join TotMacher [0] (tot@pD9520E5E.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.51.07 # do you have a lot you need to do before this will become a reality? 00.51.16 # all other people seem busy with other projects 00.51.25 # I would REALLY want to help, but my computer language ends at html ;) 00.51.27 # 3.2 at that heh 00.51.34 # *g* 00.51.41 # Jet8810: yes, the recording and some bugs 00.51.57 # * Jet8810 glances at johnny 00.52.04 # oops 00.52.04 # alright 00.52.16 # I can wait of course 00.52.22 # btw, is there any way to give a donation to rockbox crew? 00.52.36 # Jet8810: i don't think so 00.52.54 # why dont you set up a paypal account? 00.52.59 # we have a few 00.53.05 # you deserve a reward for your efforts! along with the other main guys (Bjorn) 00.53.12 # and zagor 00.53.13 # but it is rather a question about who gets the money 00.53.18 # yea 00.53.26 # well who has been with project all along and put forth most effort? 00.53.36 # You, Bjorn and Zagor? 00.53.51 # björn and zagor are the same person :-) 00.54.02 # really? haha 00.54.02 # ok 00.54.04 # so just you two? 00.54.13 # and Bagder 00.54.20 # and a few more guys 00.54.31 # hmm 00.54.32 # but i guess us 3 made the most 00.54.45 # does original archos firmware have queueing? 00.54.53 # yes 00.54.55 # because if so, cant you just copy the code? 00.55.00 # by "reversecounter" I mean a counter that displays the amount of time before a particular date 00.55.01 # or not that easy? 00.55.08 # there has to be a real word for that :) 00.55.11 # BoD[]: for what? 00.55.32 # for a "counter that displays the amount of time before a particular date" 00.55.43 # ? 00.55.44 # countdown 00.55.53 # countdown yes!!! that's it:) 00.55.58 # BoD[]: i mean for what use? 00.56.08 # remaining time of song? 00.56.23 # well no 00.56.26 # heh 00.56.27 # for any event 00.56.36 # can I say....get a dayplanner? 00.56.37 # :) 00.56.47 # yeah I know this has nothing to do with an mp3 player but still 00.56.47 # or get a PDA or one of those cheap electronic things 00.56.51 # BoD[]: alarm clock? 00.56.56 # no speaker 00.56.57 # linus : kind of :) 00.57.17 # well It could play some special mp3 when the alarm reach the date ! 00.57.23 # or "678 days left to World Cup"? 00.57.30 # exactly :)))) 00.57.37 # I like to have this kind of stuff 00.57.47 # especially when it's displayed in number of seconds 00.58.02 # "only 672416571 seconds left before christmas" 00.58.14 # BoD[]: you are silly! :-) 00.58.14 # heh 00.58.24 # yes I am :)) 00.58.26 # * Jet8810 thinks queuing has priority heh 00.58.42 # Linus, btw, could you copy code for queuing from original archos firmware? 00.58.50 # I'm sure I could code this kind of thing myself if I really wanted it !!! 00.59.10 # it's simple and I know c 00.59.14 # do in the demo a graph like in winamp 00.59.31 # i mean regular one with the gumpin lines 00.59.55 # BoD...PLEASE!! heh 00.59.56 # Jet8810: i can't copy code from archos 01.00.02 # illegal? 01.00.13 # please what :) 01.00.16 # yes, and incredibly hard 01.00.35 # or do the song name moving with the music 01.00.40 # implementing a queue function is dead easy 01.01.00 # the hard part is doing it like we want it to work 01.01.15 # *g* 01.01.17 # people will expect it to work with playlists and dir play 01.01.33 # people will expect it to work with resume 01.03.39 # damn, when i removed the MAS polling on the recorder, MP2 files stopped working... 01.03.39 # right 01.03.49 # alright, just reinforcing the request heh 01.04.06 # a lot better to have whole list queued then to waste time listening to find next song 01.04.09 # and when did you do that ? 01.04.13 # kills enjoyability of it :) 01.04.24 # how do you use queue in archos firmware anyway? 01.04.57 # BoD[]: when i added the recording 01.05.13 # hmm 01.05.57 # do you know the differences between the 20021130 and 20021201 versions ? 01.06.54 # only corrections for build failures 01.07.10 # you mean ... no changes in the code ??? 01.07.18 # and an attempt to add m3u only file filter 01.07.46 # because the issues I have do not happen in the 20021130 01.08.01 # but they happen in the 20021201 01.08.32 # maybe they are just random and depend on the phase of the moon 01.09.27 # what problems? 01.10.13 # HITACHI_DK23CA-20 going off between songs 01.11.03 # skipping? 01.11.36 # nop, the disk just go off when I press next 01.11.44 # not always but very often 01.11.51 # BoD[]: instead of spinning up? 01.12.06 # I believe so 01.12.28 # ok, and what happens if you set "disk poweroff" to "No"? 01.12.42 # it changes nothing 01.12.51 # have you tried a later build? 01.12.52 # in fact it is on no 01.12.58 Join probonic [0] (probonic@host62-7-138-142.webport.bt.net) 01.13.17 # I tried a build from today morning 01.13.31 # same thing :) 01.13.36 # weird 01.13.47 # then I tried the 20021201 : same thing 01.13.58 # then I tried the 20021130 : no problem 01.15.06 # incredible 01.15.28 # in fact it seems not to happen if I press next fast 01.15.49 # it sounds a little like a battery problem 01.15.51 # but if I wait a bit between two songs then it halts 01.16.15 # like if it has not enough power ? 01.17.12 # yes, worn out battery cells can cause the drive to not spin up 01.17.37 # yes but this should not happen when it is plugged sould it ? 01.17.38 # they can be at 100% and still not be able to give that "kick" that the drive needs 01.17.51 # BoD[]: plugged or not does not matter 01.18.02 # ah! 01.18.09 # didn't know that 01.18.40 # i had that problem once, the drive didn't spin up correctly, one of my cells was worn out 01.19.16 # i'll try with the new batteries 01.19.20 # the batteries are needed to supply enough current to the hard drive 01.19.35 # as an ackumulator 01.19.56 # ok 01.20.01 # but i'll also try again with build 20021201 01.20.07 # do so 01.20.12 # because it's very strange :))) 01.20.14 # and please try the latest bleeding edge 01.20.28 # that needs testing 01.21.03 # well with this problem of mine it has been not very pleasent to use the unit :) 01.21.17 # i can see that 01.21.18 # i had to reboot between almost every tracks :)) 01.21.31 # not gapless then? :-) 01.21.38 # hahahh :) 01.21.41 # notreally 01.21.57 # by the way 01.22.00 # any strange sounds from the drive? 01.22.11 # is there a way to retrieve older builds ? 01.22.16 # like click-click when it is supposed to spin up 01.22.24 # BoD[]: not from the site 01.22.36 # nop only the sound when it goes off (high pitched) 01.22.45 # like the drive cries ;) 01.23.20 # like when you unplug the usb it does the same sound 01.23.33 # BoD[]: always that sound? 01.23.37 # i believe it's not too good for the drive when it does that 01.23.46 # yes always 01.23.50 # not good 01.24.20 # that means that is hasn't gone to sleep before the hard disk power is shut off 01.24.48 # so it's like a power off problem 01.24.57 # BoD[]: what is your spindown timer set to? 01.25.08 # hmm the default 01.25.11 # 3s? 01.25.27 # wait 01.25.46 # 5 s 01.25.50 # and it really shouldn't sound like that when poweroff is set to No 01.26.29 # set it to something high, like 8 01.26.51 # ok 01.28.01 # wait i'll try the bleeding edge now 01.28.56 # watch out for serious skipping :-) 01.31.58 # ok i just made it halt! 01.32.16 # i'll try with the old one again 01.32.17 # did it sound strange? 01.32.19 # to be SURE 01.32.29 # yes the same high pitch sound 01.32.34 # wow 01.37.29 # i can't make it bug with the old one 01.38.05 # it's making go crazy :) 01.38.17 # and no sound? 01.38.31 # nono it works just fine with the old one 01.38.49 # ok, load the bleeding edge and make sure that poweroff is NO 01.39.04 # well I'm sure :) it's set to no !!! 01.39.50 # BoD[]: did you download the 1130 build from the daily build page, or is it a bleeding edge from 1130? 01.40.19 # i downloaded that : http://rockbox.haxx.se/auto/build-recorder/ajbrec.ajz 01.40.33 # oh you mean the old one 01.40.44 # hm it's this one : http://rockbox.haxx.se/daily/recorder/archos20021130.ajz 01.40.49 # ok 01.41.41 Quit Moof (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.41.57 # BoD[]: this is so strange 01.42.38 Join Moof [0] (~moof@195.101.176.125) 01.43.00 # yes :( 01.43.09 # strange bugs are not the best 01.43.20 # BoD[]: the whining sound sure sounds like it is powering off the hard drive 01.43.33 # when it shoudln't 01.44.04 # is it normal to power off the hard drive when trying to change track ? :) 01.44.16 # absolutely not 01.44.17 Quit Triple-z (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.44.44 # i really have to try with new batteries 01.45.02 # when does the sound come btw? 01.45.15 # maybe it tries to read some stuff and need too much power 01.45.38 # well I'm listening to a track.. .then I press next 01.45.42 # it works 01.45.51 # then if I press next 'quickly' 01.45.54 # it works too 01.46.02 # but if I wait a little time 01.46.05 # and press next 01.46.21 # then screen displays infos about the next song 01.46.39 # but it does not play it, instead it goes off (noise) and the red light stays on 01.47.03 # so it spins up, and then down again? 01.47.21 Quit probonic (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.47.26 # hmmm I think it's that 01.48.00 # i'll try again :) 01.48.04 # with new build 01.51.10 # ok I just had a new behaviour :( 01.51.40 # I pressed next (after spindown) then the light went red but no noise and it keeps on reading the track 01.52.08 # got the noise when turning off the unit 01.52.08 # ? 01.53.13 # how do you know it is reading? 01.53.28 # i mean playing 01.53.32 # the sound 01.53.46 # aha, but the led was constantly ON 01.54.51 # yes 01.55.09 # wow 01.55.11 # and the disk was on too because when I turned the unit off it did the sound 01.55.20 Quit ]ack[ () 01.55.22 # yeah, taht's expected 01.56.09 # ok wait 01.56.19 # that was with the 1201 build ;) 01.56.31 # it does not do that with the 1206 01.57.03 # and what dows it do with 1206? 01.57.04 # ok 01.57.19 # if I wait till it has spinned down 01.57.23 # it works 01.57.38 # if I wait so it doesnt spin down it works too 01.58.03 # if I press next WHILE it's spinning donw (is this possible?) it bugs 01.58.43 # maybe within 2 seconds from the drive has spun down? 01.59.32 # well 01.59.43 # it's hard to explain :(( 02.00.24 # well, gotta go to sleep now 02.00.33 Join probonic [0] (probonic@host62-7-155-66.webport.bt.net) 02.00.34 # yes mee too 02.00.42 # cu tomorrow 02.00.45 # i'll tell you exactly what I see tomorrow! 02.00.52 # gr8 02.00.54 # nite all! 02.00.54 # thank you :) bye !!! 02.01.05 Part LinusN 02.01.42 Quit BoD[] ("2:01 argg") 02.09.02 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.47.25 Quit probonic () 03.12.45 Join mrsubway [0] (mrsubway@ool-18be9bb8.dyn.optonline.net) 03.13.03 # Hi. Is the guy who reccomended the Koss Porta Pros here? 03.14.34 # In any event, if you're logging this, I want to say THANKS! 03.14.44 # I got a pair and they sound amazing! Thanks again. 03.14.50 # Tony mrsubway@optonline.net 03.15.17 # PS: Still love Rockbox, and can't wait for version 2! 03.15.20 Quit mrsubway (Client Quit) 03.54.41 Join adi|dads [0] (adi_dads@pool-138-89-6-179.mad.east.verizon.net) 04.09.03 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.13.16 Part adi|dads 05.44.46 Mode "#rockbox -oo Hadaka logbot " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 06.09.05 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.00.36 Nick dw|gone is now known as dwihno (dwihno@Bald067.Baldakinen.Umea.SE) 08.05.48 # Good morning everyone! 08.09.06 *** No seen item changed, no save performed. 08.17.35 # Somewhere deep inside me, I found, the child I used to be. 08.22.24 Join Bagder [241] (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) 08.30.43 # Yay for Bagder! 08.30.51 # morning 08.30.59 # Zagor appeared on TV? 08.31.00 # How come? 08.31.01 # yes 08.31.03 # Efterlyst? :) 08.31.12 # regarding his appartment swapping site 08.31.22 # he was on "ABC-nytt" 08.31.27 # http://bjorn.haxx.se/byta/ 08.32.07 # his site got quite a boost from that 08.32.52 # Cool :) 08.32.55 # Yay for Zay! 08.33.23 # That building next to the logo looks like a simcity building 08.34.39 # Beware of the trianglebyte! :D 08.34.55 # it gets worse than just 3 ;-) 08.35.09 # he shows 5-corner swaps 08.35.20 # mind boggling 08.35.25 # :O 08.56.33 Join pyvasene [0] (~pyvasene@62.4.7.201) 09.06.12 Join merwin [0] (~none@12.208.140.24) 09.06.34 # So, how do I switch to a daily bundle of list e-mails instead of individual ones? 09.07.04 # currently there is no such option 09.07.14 # but we're discussing switching over to one that allows it 09.12.30 # :) 09.12.46 # My e-mail client filters it all into one folder anyways... 09.12.52 # it's just for ease of use really 09.13.34 # the main reason to change would be that majordomo that we use now has no really neat way of dealing with bounces, so thet swamp Zagor pretty much now 09.14.07 # ahh 09.15.32 # merwin: what client do you use? 09.15.44 # dwihno: InScribe win32 09.17.19 # merwin: I'll check :) 09.21.02 # dwihno: http://www.memecode.com 09.21.23 # there's a free version, but the retail (all of $20) adds stuff like forwarding, multiple boxes 09.21.28 # err, not forwarding 09.21.35 # Filters 09.21.54 # The cool part is that he makes the software for Linux/BeOS/Win32 09.22.05 # Cool 09.22.12 # I like mutt 09.22.16 # For my basic needs 09.22.30 # I'm forced into windows 09.30.00 # gotta split, ttyl 09.30.01 Quit merwin () 09.41.26 Join kargatron [0] (~Vincent@ppp12-85.ath.forthnet.gr) 09.42.16 # ah, having Year in WPS totally rocks. love it. 09.42.54 # :-) 09.45.35 # Having a flickering WPS rules too ;D 09.46.16 # when does that happen? in just some fraction of units? 09.46.33 # was busy yesterday, couldn't keep track of flurry of worrk & problems 09.47.21 # but since i'm leaving for 3 weeks, tomorrow, i uploaded two different 'safety' builds to ROLO to if the latest is screwy. :) 09.48.31 # Bagder, do you know how zagor handled genre? is there a read-only genre-table file used to match the genre-tag-number to? 09.48.48 # the strings are built-in 09.48.49 # (i thought the tag value was # only...) 09.49.07 # oh, in the code 09.49.09 # all the id3 ones and the winamp extended ones 09.49.28 # ah 09.51.54 # weird tho, my jazz cuts seem to default to my folder-org, as if %ig is null: 09.52.07 # %?ig<%ig|%?d3<%?d4<%d4:>%d3|%d2>> # sorry so complicated 09.52.41 # a cut with a 'jazz' genre still displays %d4:%d3 09.53.17 # not that that hurts, since my folder-org is genre anyway (effectively, i faked %ig before). Still odd tho 09.53.47 # perhaps %ig bugs in the conditional context 09.54.09 # but it works with other genres - it's just jazz that's defaulting 09.54.20 # oh 09.54.32 # otoh, maybe there's a bracketing issue, and it's actually showing me: %ig:%d3 09.54.46 # i wouldn't be able to tell the diff, since %d4 is also 'Jazz' 09.54.56 # the nesting looks right tho 09.57.13 # so the 1206 build is 'acting normally', now that i'm just trying it. When do people see problems? Just inconsistently, or bitrate-dependent? 09.57.51 # I'm not sure this one has problems 09.58.14 # Linus increased the "safety" level yday 09.58.22 # oh, i gathered from skimming last night people had issues 09.58.28 # good 09.58.53 Join Zagor_ [242] (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) 09.59.00 Nick Zagor_ is now known as Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) 09.59.01 # morning 09.59.04 # there's also a "skip buffer" setting you can change now 09.59.11 # that might improve things too 09.59.20 # Zagor, i was giving thanks for Year, so thanks! love it 09.59.43 # :-) 10.01.10 # i'm music-history-anal enough that it feels like I immediately know twice as much about the track with it :) 10.06.34 # * Bagder likes pine's new threading 10.09.07 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.17.07 Join Triple-z [0] (~Mp3@212.116.168.61.knet.co.il) 10.22.04 # * Zagor still prefers mutt 10.22.15 # :-) 10.22.17 # Muttmeister 10.22.38 # Zagor: tell me about your configuration 10.23.03 # uh? mutt config? 10.23.11 # ya :D 10.23.37 # set quote_regexp="^ *[a-zA-Z]*[]>|}%=][]>|}:=]*" 10.23.43 # set index_format="%Z %[%b %d] %-20.20L %s" 10.23.49 # that enough? ;) 10.28.36 # can someone please come up with some wild ideas about how spinup timing can fail? 10.28.50 # I can't ;-/ 10.29.19 Quit TotMacher () 10.29.25 # horribly annoying 10.31.06 # in what observed situations does it fail? (I ask out of curiosity - I won't be able to help your qstn) 10.32.02 # sometimes it measures a far too fast spinup 10.32.13 # like 600ms 10.32.19 # which just isn't possible 10.32.27 # hm 10.32.45 # it messes up the watermark calculations 10.33.00 # which then causes playback burps? 10.33.09 # right 10.33.31 # limited to certain hardware, or unknown? 10.33.42 # unknown 10.33.50 # seems to happen for all of us 10.34.10 # Linus added code that ignores values less than 3500ms 10.34.25 # ahh, the safety level you referred to, ok 10.34.29 # yes 10.35.09 # but a 3.5s spinup time - am i misunderstanding what that is - what takes 3.5s minimum? 10.35.30 # from a powered off disk until we can read data from it 10.35.41 # oh, that long huh? 10.35.52 # what's the spinup time for non-poweroff? 10.35.59 # well, since we can't measure we need to play safe 10.36.30 # non-poweroff seems to be faster, but I don't know by how much 10.37.27 # is spin-up time a dynamic value? or a single typical value for each player? 10.37.43 # it's calculated on every spinup 10.39.10 # i feel like i'm asking too many naive questions, but: 10.39.18 # the sequence is: 10.39.23 # good morning *yawn* 10.39.34 # poweroffed disk, spinup, read, fill buffer 10.39.45 # right 10.39.47 # but the goal is to fill the buffer at the right time, correct? 10.39.55 # yes 10.40.03 # so you're working at starting at some time before that, that's unknown 10.40.24 # how can you start at the right time, but simultaneously get a spinup time value to use? 10.40.34 # we use the last value 10.40.38 # based on the spinup time and the bitrate of the mp3, we can estimate how much buffer there's left when we must issue the spinup value 10.40.41 # oh, ok, an estimate 10.41.03 # the spinup command I mean 10.42.00 # to the spinup time is like the weather - yesterday's weather's a better forecast than a single average forecast? 10.42.10 # Zagor: could it be that it mistakenly spins up fast at times and then goes to retry on lin 234 in ata.c? 10.42.46 # kargatron: well, we need proper values first, then we can start debating last value or average ;-) 10.44.10 # of course, an average would somewhat hide occational bad values 10.45.35 # but it would still be risky 10.46.09 # yes 10.46.13 # ah, that could be it! 10.47.04 # can you try a fixed version? just copy the spinup_time and spinup assignments into the fail block above 10.47.25 # or maybe simply move the assignments below the next check 10.47.38 # me test 10.47.44 # move down, that's better 10.47.50 # yes 10.49.19 Join Triple-X [0] (~Mp3@212.116.168.57) 10.50.19 Quit Triple-z (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 10.54.16 # dwihno: your wps is pretty nice. a bit cluttered at the bottom, but I like the top 3 lines 10.55.09 # decoration implied there? 10.55.45 # decoration? 10.56.07 # i think the idea with a wps submission system is pretty nice. maybe we should add a tracker for it 10.56.09 # a 'pretty nice' wps - i assume that noting it means there's more than raw info 10.56.30 # Zagor: Yes, the bottom is a bitt cluttery unless you use the tight font 10.56.41 # some sort of pretty formatting or something 10.56.44 # gag 10.56.45 # no, I just like the way he uses conditional tags to extract info from the dir path if there is no id3 info 10.56.46 # 0ms 10.56.58 # ohh 10.57.01 # Zagor: You can call me WPS master ;) 10.57.04 # Bagder: ?? 10.57.12 # Zagor: Now pretty please check the scroll twitch bug ;) 10.57.27 # hm, I guess it doesn't spinup on the first attempt? 10.57.31 # it doesn't scroll right now :) 10.57.38 # Bagder: right 10.57.46 # 5180 10.57.57 # 590 10.58.00 # beeeep 10.58.22 # ok, so that wasn't it then :( 10.58.43 # I noticed something now 10.58.57 # I think it was modified twice in one single spinup 10.59.43 # hmm? 11.00.00 # I'll check closer... 11.01.17 # ugh, it gets so silly its hard to say 11.01.32 # i'll call you 11.04.32 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 11.05.08 # hi linus 11.05.11 # hi 11.06.14 # any idea about the spinup timer? 11.06.23 # we're discussing it on the phone 11.06.44 # it seems to be related to when the mpeg thread calls ata_sleep() 11.06.50 # irc, compile and talking in phone 11.06.58 # it appears a second access is made *after* ata_sleep() 11.07.06 # i think it may have to do with the 2-second gap between sleep and poweroff 11.07.09 # and that messes up stuff 11.07.12 # the time is set twice 11.08.07 # maybe ata_flush() has something to do with it? 11.08.47 # how? ata_read() doesn't return until ata_flush() is done too. it's synchronous 11.09.09 # yeah, just brainstorming 11.11.04 # Fa la la 11.11.07 # I can see it clearly now 11.11.12 # LinusN: Did you find out what's wrong with the kebabsång? 11.11.17 # I changed refresh rate in the debug screen 11.11.27 # "I can see clearly, now the rain is gone." la la la... 11.11.33 # dwihno: it's an MP2 song 11.11.43 # the second ~500-600 value is set about the same time when the red led is shut off 11.11.54 # LinusN: nice! we haven't tested many of those 11.12.08 # and my changed (for the recording) that uses IRQ instead of polling has affected MP2 playback 11.12.45 # it seems that there is a bug in the MAS that makes it toggle the DEMAND (EOD) pin a little too much 11.13.25 # LinusN: what happens if you call ata_sleep() and there's another MPEG_NEED_DATA event in the queue? 11.13.40 # Zagor: it should ignore it 11.14.12 # this happens almost 100% 11.14.23 # wait a sec 11.15.32 # if the DMA has played a block of data before mpeg_thread processes the "stray" MPEG_NEED_DATA message, it may try to access it again 11.17.04 # but why does that measure 600ms? 11.17.29 # the drive should have spun down, or? 11.18.42 # Bagder: can you try a source code change? 11.18.48 # sure tell me 11.19.16 # case MPEG_NEED_DATA: 11.19.18 # if(!filling) 11.19.18 # break; 11.19.18 # 11.19.18 DBUG Enqueued KICK LinusN 11.19.18 # free_space_left = mp3buf_read - mp3buf_write; 11.19.26 # Zagor: uh, we postpone the lunch a few mins 11.19.45 # add the if(!filling) as described 11.20.04 # ok 11.21.08 # gotta reboot (silly usb-storage) 11.22.21 # wow, it survived! 11.23.05 # no fun 11.23.12 # same procedure 11.23.17 # ok 11.23.46 # that is interesting 11.23.52 # I can see it change 11.24.05 # and then a second later it changes again 11.24.38 # weird 11.24.54 # does it behave the same when dirplaying and playlisting? 11.25.23 # this is dirplay 11.25.56 # trying a playlist 11.26.55 # did 11.27.11 # ok 11.27.15 # I can see the red led go on... change the time, go off, go on again... change the time and go off.. 11.29.16 # sounds exactly like a stray read 11.29.54 # it will be short because the disk hasn't spun down yet, so it only does the drive firmware reset and then is back up, which might very well take only 600ms 11.29.56 # the mpeg thread does two reads 11.30.13 # because the buffer wraps 11.30.37 # yes but it doesn't call ata_sleep() between those two reads, right? 11.30.44 # no it doesn't 11.31.51 # and you can't see this on your units? 11.32.30 # i have never seen it, no 11.33.00 Join langhaarrocker [0] (~Phil@212-204-016-206.dsl1.versanet.de) 11.33.30 # hey langhaarrocker 11.34.12 # Bagders disk is probably slower than ours 11.34.21 # I bet 11.34.26 # it does show ~5100 ms 11.34.33 # hey 11.34.34 # that's a lot 11.35.23 # i'd like to do some exact current measurements, so see if there is a break point where poweroff isn't worth it due to longer spinup time. 11.35.39 # BoD[] has problems, his drive shuts off while spinning, even when poweroff=no 11.35.57 # lunch 11.36.47 # LinusN: yeah I know. it's very odd. and even more so that his problems started with the 1201 build, which didn't change any ata code! 11.37.48 # we ran tests this night 11.38.15 # really weird 11.41.26 # we really need a 1.4 specific users manual 11.42.43 # yes 11.43.59 Join bobTHC [0] (~bobTHC@AMarseille-206-2-1-9.abo.wanadoo.fr) 11.44.05 # hi all! 11.44.10 # hi 11.58.39 # c 11.59.33 # I tested the build of yesterday 11.59.47 # I sense a lot of buffer underruns 11.59.57 # But reading the CVS logs, I presume those are fixed? :) 12.01.34 Join ken0 [0] (marklar2@80.178.33.170) 12.01.34 Quit ken0_ (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.02.09 # dwihno: no, they are not fixed 12.02.15 # can you help me test? 12.06.11 # good morning! 12.06.21 # morning 12.06.25 # test what? 12.06.51 Nick ken0 is now known as [keno] (marklar2@80.178.33.170) 12.07.02 # LinusN: Surething 12.09.10 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.11.16 Part Zagor 12.11.38 Join Zagor_ [242] (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) 12.12.06 # yo Zagor_! 12.12.12 # i have found the problem 12.12.14 # LinusN: Should I download bleeding edge and test? 12.12.41 Nick kargatron is now known as karg|away (~Vincent@ppp12-85.ath.forthnet.gr) 12.12.52 # dwihno: no need...yet... 12.14.11 # LinusN: then I'll fetch some lunch. 12.14.16 Nick dwihno is now known as dwihno|lunch0r (dwihno@Bald067.Baldakinen.Umea.SE) 12.14.25 # kebab med starka såsen på? :-) 12.27.54 # hi 12.28.22 # :-) 12.29.51 # hi 12.31.33 Nick Triple-X is now known as Triple-z (~Mp3@212.116.168.57) 12.31.58 # http://triple001.members.easyspace.com/pc can u tell me if its good parts? before i buy it.. 12.34.19 Quit bobTHC ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)") 12.35.45 # Triple-z: no comments on that, looks good to me, but I haven't studied the parts more closely though 12.36.40 # ok 12.39.00 # haha 12.39.02 Nick dwihno|lunch0r is now known as dwihno (dwihno@Bald067.Baldakinen.Umea.SE) 12.39.10 # Linus: You got a great sense of humour :) 12.40.17 # yum 12.40.19 # hot choco 12.40.21 # I love it 12.40.23 # I'm addicted 12.40.26 # Addicted to choco 12.40.51 # pretty harmless addiction... 12.41.05 # And Caramell 12.41.11 # :-) 12.42.11 # Linus Nielsen Feltzing produces 883 google results 12.42.14 # You're pretty famous 12.42.34 # Bill Gates - 1,270,000 results 12.42.42 # i'm closing in 12.42.47 # Ya :D 12.43.37 # 5 aug 2000 Linus Nielsen becomes Nielsen Feltzing 12.44.27 # The Stenberg brothers look like twins 12.45.43 # you really think so? 12.46.09 # Not really twins, but almost 12.52.33 Join webmind [0] (webmind@seal.student.utwente.nl) 12.52.36 # morning 12.52.46 # hi 12.52.52 # anyone awake concearning a disection question ? 12.53.24 # sure 12.53.25 # the disesction page doesnt seem to cover hd removal ? 12.53.43 # you have removed tha back plate? 12.53.53 # i can 12.53.55 # with the rubber corners 12.53.59 # yes 12.54.09 # so you see the hd 12.54.12 # yes 12.54.20 # well has a small metal plate on it.. 12.54.22 # but i can see it 12.54.27 # ok 12.54.38 # it is attached only by the connector 12.54.47 # uhuh 12.55.02 # so you can lift it in the other end and pull it out of the connector 12.55.10 # ah k 12.55.13 # hold the unit upside down 12.55.15 # wasnt sure bout that 12.55.27 # and the loose end will reveal itself 12.55.56 # uhuh 12.56.08 # doesnt seem to want to give in though.. 12.56.24 # it may take some force to pull out 12.56.34 # wiggle it sideways a little 12.58.00 # done, cewl 12.58.14 # btw u think compactflash with ide converter will work in it ? 12.58.28 # sounds reasonable 12.58.39 # uhuh 12.58.51 # i think it could work 12.58.55 # but then I'm no hardware guy, I have this clumsyness which causes a lot of hardware trashings ;) 12.59.10 # heh 12.59.21 # I leave the hardware part to the hardware guys 12.59.22 # webmind: remember, Do NOT forget to put back the plastic/rubber cover 12.59.31 # why ? 12.59.35 # it works without 12.59.52 # between the hard drive and the curquit boards 13.00.48 # aah 13.00.50 # thaty one 13.00.51 # yes 13.00.52 # yo, I'm in sweden :) 13.01.03 # where? 13.01.19 # in Kiruna? 13.01.25 # doesnt look like plastic or rubber 13.01.34 # norrköping 13.01.42 # cool 13.01.43 # looks like teflon, prolly some polyfibre sth 13.02.00 # Hadaka: too far to visit me then 13.02.11 # webmind: player? 13.03.02 # yes 13.03.06 # I'll be visiting linköping as well 13.03.11 # the recorders have rubber 13.03.35 # linköping is even farther away from stockholm, isn't it? 13.03.36 # ah k 13.04.02 # my player has plastic like yours 13.04.56 # strange look for plastic 13.05.45 # oh, I'll be going through stockholm on sunday 13.05.59 # but probably just heading almost directly to the boat 13.06.01 # maybe we can meet then 13.06.05 # aha 13.06.07 # Whoa, IRL meeting :D 13.06.38 # have to be at work on monday morning so my schedule is painful 13.18.54 Nick Zagor_ is now known as Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) 13.19.00 # LinusN: what have you found? 13.19.35 # it's probably the problem that has been annoying us for a long time 13.20.21 # if the spinup time is longer than the spindown timer, the ata thread will spin down before the drive has spun up 13.21.12 # you must make sure that the ata thread does not try to spin down when the spinup is taking place 13.21.22 # LinusN: yes, me and bagder just discussed that during lunch. he will try a longer spindown timer. 13.21.46 # i inserted a sleep(3*HZ) in the spinup and managed to reproduce the error 13.21.49 Quit Jet8810 ("Client Exiting") 13.21.54 Join Jet8810 [0] (~Josh@adsl-34-195-227.bct.bellsouth.net) 13.21.55 # ok, good 13.22.02 # i'll fix 13.22.10 # great 13.22.17 # My mind is a bit out of sync: Have the problems with playback of bitrates >256kBit been solved? 13.22.30 # langhaarrocker: yes and no 13.22.57 # we have solved it, but at the moment we are experimenting with new buffering code, so you will see a lot of skips 13.23.18 # partly because of an ATA driver bug 13.23.25 # an old one 13.24.22 # How did you initially solve the problem? 13.24.52 # i removeed unnecessary lcd updates 13.28.16 Join Phil [0] (~Phil@212-204-016-185.dsl1.versanet.de) 13.28.22 # yp Phil! 13.28.24 # yo 13.28.35 # strange net. 13.29.04 # hmm, the front print of the jukebox player is just for the batteries right ? 13.29.15 # huh? 13.29.47 # the one with the usb connector ? 13.29.56 # where? 13.30.04 # jukebox player 13.30.20 # the small print around the usb connector 13.30.31 # now i get it 13.30.39 # the circuit board? 13.30.43 # yes 13.30.54 # i wonder if i could recplace it to make the hd more exchangeable 13.31.31 # it's only for the batteries, and for screwing those small screws into 13.31.49 # hm k 13.32.30 # well if i could make it a tad smaller.. would easier to replace the hd, or maybe compactflash card 13.32.50 # try it, and report back :-) 13.33.07 # ok :) 13.33.23 Quit langhaarrocker (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 13.34.03 Nick Phil is now known as langhaarrocker (~Phil@212-204-016-185.dsl1.versanet.de) 13.39.07 Join webmind_ [0] (webmind@seal.student.utwente.nl) 13.39.19 # damn surfnet 13.39.46 Quit webmind (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.42.14 # LinusN, those 2 battery poles on that prin, they're connected? (no multimeter here) 13.42.31 # LinusN: ha! 13.42.43 # LinusN: so that would be the problem happening with me as well? 13.42.58 # Hadaka: probably, yes 13.43.03 Join greececdmailing [0] (~greececdm@62.103.239.88) 13.43.09 # hey people.. 13.43.15 # ok so I can increase the spindown time to 10s and it should fix it? 13.43.16 # can i ask something? 13.43.21 # ofcoz 13.43.25 Nick webmind_ is now known as webmind (webmind@seal.student.utwente.nl) 13.43.46 # Hadaka: I have a fix coming up in a minute 13.43.49 # is Archos multimedia jukebox 20 worth the money? 13.43.58 # Hadaka: no, it's not the user-settable timeout 13.44.21 # Zagor: ok so what's the spindown setting for the harddrive I have here? :) 13.44.32 # greececdmailing: you can't have rockbox on it -> no :) 13.44.58 # webmind: i believe the batteries are connected on the MP3FRONT board, not the other one 13.45.03 # but it plays DIVX 13.45.06 # webmind: at least for recorder 13.45.22 # why not? Whats wrong with it.... Tell please so i dont do a mistake an buy it 13.45.30 # Zagor, thnx.. think its the case here.. 13.45.31 # Hadaka: that's for how long to spin disk after last user action. 13.45.50 # greece, i think its a great buy, but rockbox doesnt work on it 13.45.57 # Hadaka: if no user interaction, we spin down much faster 13.45.58 # so you will have to do with archos firmware 13.46.28 # greececdmailing: from what I've heard, it can't actually play divx. 13.46.33 # really? 13.46.48 # practicly a useless print it seems.. 13.46.49 # not the divx you can grab off the net, anyway. 13.46.55 # well 13.46.59 # then why havent they been sued? 13.47.01 # Zagor: ah! then I can increase the spindown time in any case, because it bothered me before already that it spun down too fast while I'm playing with it 13.47.02 # you have to convert it to 30 frps 13.47.05 # but um 13.47.07 # oh 13.47.16 # well that kind of sucks 13.47.18 # but sensible 13.47.23 # So whats the best thing to buy from archos? 13.47.35 # JUKEBOX REcorder 20 or FM REcorder 20? 13.47.41 # are the bleeding edge builds generated all the time? here in sweden, I can't compile rockbox 13.47.43 # on Pocket Pcs, they can only play at 30fps anyway...doubt that has more proccessing power 13.47.50 # Greece, depends on your needs 13.48.01 # what do you mean jet? 13.48.02 # http://www.archos.com/lang=en/support/tech_jbmm_sw.html 13.48.03 # but FM Recorder has a radio, but cannnot use the rockbox firmware 13.48.04 # greececdmailing: I recommend the plain recorder, as Rockbox runs on it, but thats me 13.48.06 # greececdmailing, u wanted to play divx on the multimedia ? 13.48.11 # Hadaka: yes, every 20 minutes 13.48.17 # what more does rockbox has to offer? 13.48.23 # opensource :) 13.48.27 # webmind YES! 13.48.35 # opensource so your requests like queuing playlists get noticed hehe 13.48.37 # and the video recording with the camera was a good idea 13.48.52 # http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/features.html 13.48.58 # go read 13.48.59 # badger i saw that.. 13.49.00 # But 13.49.01 # greececdmailing, i think its possible.. can ask a friend if u want to be sure.. but afaik u need to resize the divx to the resolution of the lcd screen 13.49.12 # i know webmind.. 13.49.15 # But i wana know 13.49.23 # If the menu for Mp3 is sloww.. 13.49.28 # Like i read all over the place.. 13.49.33 # that it is sloww.. 13.49.39 # "Your Archos Jukebox Multimedia™ is designed to play MPEG4 Simple profile files. Unless you encode your own video files, you will have to convert your files to the format supported by the Jukebox Multimedia™." 13.49.52 # the menu of the player is slower then the ipod yes.. atleast from the arcohs firmware.. 13.49.57 # greececdmailing: what model is slow you ask? 13.50.03 # but.. i think the archos is more felexible 13.50.05 # Well.. 13.50.07 # Zagor: ookay good, then I can put a new firmware on this box and test it later today 13.50.13 # Hadaka: yes 13.50.22 # what box? the multimedia? 13.50.26 # lol... 13.50.34 # but that means I will lose my keylock modification :( 13.50.37 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 13.50.37 # * Bagder never tried a multimedia 13.50.46 # who has tried a multimedia? 13.50.48 # greececdmailing, the mp3 player 13.50.58 # greececdmailing, friend of mine has it.. me not personal 13.51.07 # webmind do you have icq? 13.51.19 # nope 13.51.25 # can u ask him if he can go threw loads of mp3s with no problem 13.51.36 # greece 13.51.38 # ok lets leave multimedia as nobody here has it. 13.51.40 # yes het? 13.51.41 # I have put 12 gigs on there with no problem 13.51.41 # jet? 13.51.43 # i ment 13.51.44 # greececdmailing, yes 13.51.44 # but that is the recorder 13.51.55 # i dont see why the multimedia would be different 13.51.56 # Zagor: you working on a fix for this spinup thing or? 13.52.03 # anywhoo, why dont you search for a review in google? 13.52.08 # greececdmailing, amount of mp3s isnt the problem 13.52.14 # Bagder: yes 13.52.20 # jet 13.52.23 # ok, nice 13.52.25 # I saw LOADA OF reviews 13.52.31 # greececdmailing, i'd say.. go for the multimedia and dont forget to disect it :) 13.52.34 # Everyone says better get an ipod 13.52.40 # so they should answer these questions :) 13.52.41 # disect it? 13.52.44 # greececdmailing, depends on what u want 13.53.12 # ipod is nice for mp3's nice and fast interface yes.. but the harddisk (pcmcia) is harder to find on bigger size 13.53.16 # I want the multimedia coz of the divx and camera..but i also want it for the mp3..But i dont want a SLOWW User interface on it 13.53.23 # (there's one next to me now btw) 13.53.40 # greececdmailing, i dont think the multimedia had a slow interface 13.53.40 # Whats better JUKEBOX RECORDER 20 OR THE FM 20? 13.53.51 # atleast it was faster then the archos player 13.54.00 # if you want a good MP3 player, just pick recorder 20 13.54.08 # greececdmailing: better for what? radio? the FM, user interface? the rec 20 with rockbox 13.54.08 # think so yes 13.54.11 # if you absolutely _need_ FM, then get that 13.54.20 # but you won't be able to run rockbox 13.54.38 # will rockbox make firmware for Multimedia or FM? 13.54.40 # which would be a pre 13.55.03 # ? 13.55.04 # greececdmailing: that's a FAQ 13.55.19 # greececdmailing: and I guess the answer is no 13.55.19 # well? 13.55.22 # why not? 13.55.32 # because Archos won't tell us how they work 13.55.35 # different processor 13.55.42 # bastards 13.55.45 # i hope they die 13.55.47 # hehe 13.55.52 # so 13.56.01 # anyway, I'm off 13.56.02 # is rockbox interface faster than archos? 13.56.14 # well, they didn't tell us how the player or recorder work either ;-) 13.56.37 # greececdmailing: rockbox is superior in almost every aspect, including speed 13.56.45 # Badger,,, 13.56.49 # so when u press nexr 13.56.53 # How solid is the recording/disk writing? 13.56.59 # next after how long the other song starts? 13.57.04 # dwihno: pretty solid 13.57.12 # greececdmailing: depends on your disk 13.57.18 # what do u mean? 13.57.21 # but the ATA poweroff thing is a bit shaky still 13.57.25 # LinusN: what is left before the release of 1.5? 13.57.32 # ? 13.57.34 # badger? 13.57.35 # dwihno: a lot 13.57.45 # LinusN: bingo-lot? ;) 13.57.46 # hehe 13.57.47 # greececdmailing: it all depends on the particular conditions when you do that 13.57.48 # Bagder: can you test http://rockbox.haxx.se/test.ajz ? 13.57.51 # hahaaha *roflmao* 13.57.54 # Zagor: hang on 13.58.04 # tell me dude more than 1 sec? 13.58.16 # tell me on what i depends? 13.58.20 # on how full is my disk? 13.58.34 # it depends how fast your disk can spin up 13.58.34 # greececdmailing: if the disk need to spin up to get more data, then it'll take time 13.58.47 # if the file is already in memory, it takes 0 time 13.58.49 # whats the longest it can take? 13.58.59 # lets say i open a dir called pop.. 13.59.01 # ...depends in your disk 13.59.09 # takes about 2.5s for me 13.59.10 # and i hear a song and press next.. i will take 0 right? 13.59.21 # Zagor so longest is 2.5s? 13.59.22 # LinusN: I'm ready for your "fix-weird-buffer-emptyness-stuff" CVS commit ;D 13.59.23 # no, because you only have the first song in memory 13.59.34 # so how long 1 sec? 13.59.43 # if you hear the end of a song and press next it might be ~0 14.00.01 # so..longest wai will be what? 14.00.03 # dwihno: Zagor has the ball 14.00.19 # greececdmailing: it's not difficult, really: if you have the data buffered in RAM already, it takes 0 time. 14.00.21 # LinusN: mkay. Långa bollar på Bagder ? :) 14.00.22 # greececdmailing: 5-6 secs 14.00.28 # 6 secS!! 14.00.32 # thats longg.. 14.00.33 # if you need to read it from disk, it can take up to 5 seconds if you have slow disk 14.00.36 # it all depends on your hard drive 14.00.51 # well doesnt Archos recorder have a standar disk? 14.00.55 # from archos? 14.00.56 # yes 14.01.00 # yes, and they are slow 14.01.10 # unless u want to port rockbox to it yourself 14.01.12 # it isn't that "standard" either 14.01.12 # so.. u all have the same right? 14.01.13 # * dwihno has got a non-standard unit, equipped with an IBM disk 14.01.22 # re 14.01.24 # people got all sorts of disks 14.01.25 # greececdmailing: no, these are *standard* disks. not made by archos. 14.01.34 # damn router died 14.01.46 # ok so i need to have a faster disk to get better speeds.. 14.01.51 # so lets say a tweak recorder 14.01.55 # * webmind has a player 20, which he hopes to mod to compactflash compatible :) 14.02.18 # fasterdisk == less battery time 14.02.23 # Zagor: first read looks fine 14.02.24 # ugh.. 14.02.30 # DAMN IT. 14.02.31 # webmind: ah, compactflash = lotsa time :D 14.02.34 # greececdmailing: all disk-based mp3 players have this "problem" 14.02.37 # webmind: I didn't think of that 14.02.51 # it's a physical limitation 14.02.55 # @all whats the best solution for me ..as a new buyer of an archos? 14.03.05 # dwihno, uhuh :)) 14.03.11 # greececdmailing: if you just want a good mp3 player, go for the Recorder20. 14.03.14 # dwihno, and nice small cards of 128mb :) 14.03.32 # webmind: yeah, but opening the case to swap the flashes will be a pain in the nose 14.03.33 # greececdmailing: if you want a small and simple hd-based player, go for the ipid 14.03.39 # think i'll put 1800ma batteries in it aswell 14.03.48 # current ones are starting to where ouyt 14.03.50 # Zagor i need at least 20GB 14.03.51 # webmind: there's 2000mAh batteries too! 14.03.55 # cewll 14.03.56 # Zagor: what's changed in the test version? 14.04.14 # dwihno, btw, whats the best way to rechard nicad batteries ? 14.04.15 # greececdmailing: then archos is one of your better choices since replacing the disk is easy 14.04.27 # wait till they're empty or recharge as alive as possible >? 14.04.36 # Bagder: i moved sleeping=false down a bit, so the sleep thread never kicks in 14.04.59 # greececdmailing: also, on the Recorder20 you have replacable batteries. you don't have that on the Recorder FM 14.05.00 # webmind: I know nothing about batteries. They are good for portable hardware gadgets, but that's all I know :) Lots of mAh is good too ;D 14.05.25 # Zagor: it seems as if the double-red led doesn't appear now 14.05.26 # Whats the battery life of 14.05.30 # RECORDER? 14.05.32 # 6 hours? 14.05.37 # 10+ 14.05.43 # dwihno, hm k 14.05.58 # with 1800mah? 14.05.59 # player lasts 8 hours 14.06.08 # with 1600mah 14.06.16 # Bagder: excellent. i'll commit this so more people can test. 14.06.27 # yeps 14.06.54 # So ... rockbox has a faster interface than archos firmware? 14.07.00 # maybe Linus' <3500ms check can be removed soon as well 14.07.01 # anyone here do know sth about battery recharing ? 14.07.01 # greececdmailing: yes 14.07.11 # Bagder: yes 14.07.19 # webmind: a little 14.07.38 # Zagor... What about fm? Dont it have rockbox? 14.07.43 # i mean cant i put rockbox? 14.07.59 # not yet. maybe later. 14.08.00 # Zagor, differce between way of charing of lithium and nicad batteries 14.08.01 # ? 14.08.13 # webmind: sorry, don't know 14.08.23 # damn 14.08.41 # Does recorder20 have a remote? 14.08.54 # only a wired remote 14.09.02 # thats what i mean 14.09.04 # is it with it? 14.09.14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.09.15 # no, you get it separately in a "travel kit" 14.09.36 # can i put another make of a headphones with remote? 14.09.42 # yes 14.09.57 # thaknx for your help 14.10.01 # Something else. 14.10.07 # Has anyone used a FM 20 14.10.07 # ? 14.10.15 Quit Triple-z (No route to host) 14.10.20 # nope 14.10.21 # noone here, i think 14.10.33 # people on the archos yahoo list say the fm reception isn't so good 14.10.35 # only worked with player, multimedia and ipod 14.10.47 # and playing around with player 14.11.30 # webmind so you worked with multimedia or not? 14.12.16 # ? 14.12.20 # greececdmailing, just played around with it for a wile.. as in looking how it handled... 14.12.25 # while ago though 14.12.27 # so tell me.. 14.12.31 # how did u see it work? 14.12.35 # slow? 14.12.36 # fine? 14.13.05 # * Bagder is skipfree... AAAAAH ;-) 14.13.09 # worked fine... 14.13.11 # webmind? 14.13.16 # faster then my player 14.13.16 Join TotMacher [0] (tot@ip67.rsidus.riege.de) 14.13.20 # define fine mate 14.13.30 # what do u mean faster than your player? u mean recorder 20? 14.13.35 # dwihno: I see your scroll bug now 14.13.36 # greececdmailing, player 20 14.13.41 # dont have a recorder 14.13.50 # so it changed songs faster? 14.13.53 # how was the interface? 14.13.58 # think its bit slower then the ipod.. but it can do more 14.14.16 # changing songs istn a problem on the player either 14.14.25 # a bit slower? or ... its soo slow.. 14.14.28 # i'm talking about the interface of for exmaple selecting songs 14.14.40 # Zagor: Pretty fishy, huh? 14.14.47 # compared to the ipod the player is quite slow.. multimedia isnt 14.14.48 # dwihno: yeah 14.14.49 # Zagor: I blame it on the boogie! 14.18.13 Part langhaarrocker 14.19.15 Quit Moof ("Client Exiting") 14.22.30 # new BE build is up. grab it and break it! 14.25.10 # btw, is rockbox faster then the std firmware ? 14.25.28 # try loading a playlist ;-) 14.25.49 # ? 14.25.58 # " Playlist load speed, songs/sec" 14.26.04 # Playlist load speed, songs/sec. rockbox: 2000 - 3500 archos:15 - 20 14.26.12 # nice.. 14.26.24 # http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/features.html 14.26.38 # only 100 times faster in that aspect ;-) 14.27.04 # it's amazing they ever thought their method was acceptable. i mean, c'mon 14.27.13 Nick karg|away is now known as kargatron (~Vincent@ppp12-85.ath.forthnet.gr) 14.27.24 # I agree 14.28.08 Quit greececdmailing (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 14.28.48 # uhm.. my player cant read text files... 14.28.52 # they can display remaining time of a playlist, we can't :-) 14.29.02 # true! 14.29.06 # i wonder if they do? 14.29.12 # I don't think so 14.29.41 # i don't think they can. i think they only look up the file in the dir, not actually load any of it. 14.30.30 # btw, my recorder does have customable backlight timeout... 14.30.32 # er 14.30.33 # my player 14.30.36 # actually, the person who came up with their playlist loader code probable should get smacked ;-) 14.31.34 # webmind: you mean in the archos fw? 14.32.13 # yes 14.32.25 # ok 14.32.36 # now, who volounteers to checkout the recorder version? ;-) 14.33.05 Quit johnny (":-)") 14.33.09 # * Zagor hides 14.33.25 # I wouldn't be able to find it if I tried anyway 14.33.58 # need tests of BE recorder? is it dangerous? :) 14.34.17 # don't be a chicken, just get it! B-P 14.34.18 # * webmind curses on archos... still old firmware on their site 14.34.48 # just wondering why Zagor is hiding... :) 14.35.01 # for my volounteering q 14.35.03 # zagor has a recorder 14.35.22 # kargatron: I don't want to test if the Archos firmware has a configurable backlight timeout 14.36.12 # ohh, sorry, thought this was a *real* issue... :) 14.36.20 # hehe 14.40.52 Join alkorr [0] (sjix@ASte-Genev-Bois-110-1-4-113.abo.wanadoo.fr) 14.40.59 # hey alkorr 14.41.14 # hi everybody ! 14.41.19 # hey, alkorr! 14.41.28 # what is the last stable version of rockbox ? 14.41.37 # the least stable, you mean? ;) 14.41.44 # arf :) 14.41.50 # 1.4 is the last official release 14.42.01 # i want the last one without recording indeed 14.42.14 # okay you are working on 1.5 ? 14.42.18 # chicken 14.42.19 # ;-) 14.42.23 # yes we are 14.42.48 # actually we don't even keep such old daily builds... 14.42.55 # think 12/1 is stable? might be 14.42.58 # still up 14.43.07 # is its source code is present in the website ? 14.43.21 # all of them are stable, just the recent days have had some skipping problems due to the new dynamic watermark code 14.43.25 # kargatron: i think lates BE may be the most stable 14.43.27 # alkorr: not for old versions 14.43.31 # that's what i meant 14.43.39 # not for 1.4 ? 14.43.40 # ah 14.43.47 # alkorr: yes, for 1.4 but not old daily builds 14.43.58 # okay 14.44.06 # they can all be downloaded from cvs of course 14.44.22 # fwiw, i went for a walk with 1206 when |away, and got one hang, at the end of a 11 min cut - just stopped, no red light. otherwise ok 14.44.31 # kargatron: version? 14.44.34 # haven't tried BE yet 14.44.37 # oh, 1206 ok 14.44.40 # 1206 daily 14.44.51 # you don't setup the LCD recorder, do you ? 14.44.59 # poweroff=on, 0 anti-skip 14.45.08 # you rely on archos firmware to do so ? 14.46.11 # alkorr: yes 14.47.01 # oh bad, i wnat to get rid of Archos firmware... is there anything else than LCD setup ? 14.47.13 # probably 14.48.02 # since we have never ran without it, there's probably all kinds of setup stuff we don't do 14.48.18 # yeah sure 14.48.36 # bbl 14.48.38 Quit Bagder ("http://daniel.haxx.se") 14.48.38 # how would you "get rid of" archos firmware on the ROM? 14.48.42 # what are you planning to do? burn it into flash? 14.48.49 # something like it 14.49.05 # whoa. heavy stuff! 14.49.08 # SST39 is a reprogrammable FLASH 14.49.35 # but we mustn't mess with it :/ 14.50.57 # kargatron: get the latest bleeding edge 14.51.25 # Fa la la? 14.52.51 # what I think : in the FLASH a very small firmware which looks for a /./rockbox/update.bin when existing to upgrade the second large firmware in the FLASH. At the end, the small firmware runs the second. That way, even the update messes, you can still be able to upgrade the next time with a debugged update.bin. By the way the large formware would not be ever scrambled. 14.54.10 # a large program indeed :/ because it means the small firmware must work the first time !/ 14.54.29 # alkorr: hehe, yes. prepare to resolder your flash chips :-) 14.57.08 # LinusN, 13:20? 14.57.21 # grabbed that earlier, just want to make sure latest 14.57.50 # kargatron: yup, that's the one 15.00.34 Join Triple-z [0] (~Mp3@212.116.168.60.knet.co.il) 15.04.00 Join lither [0] (~chatzilla@mobileweb05.london.02.net) 15.04.39 # the WPS disappearing when USB is unplugged (when jb is paused, for example) - that a posted bug? 15.04.49 # you still get that? 15.05.00 # it dumps to folder menu, but when you hit ON to toggle, it's clear screen 15.05.06 # just got it, yes, still there 15.05.16 # ah. ok ON is not supposed to work after USB. 15.05.36 # kargatron: the mpeg thread is still confused if you insert USB while playing 15.05.59 # or paused 15.06.12 # Zagor you mean you want to disallow USB use during a pause, or rather disallow unpausing after USB? 15.06.27 # i mean, no biggie, really, not catastrophic, you can still play 15.06.44 # btw anyone looked into the possibilty of mpeg audio playing ? 15.07.00 # no, I mean after USB you are essentially in the same mode as after pressing OFF during playback. 15.07.14 # webmind: we play mpeg audio, called MP3 files 15.07.18 # webmind: huh? from a mpeg video file you mean? 15.07.23 # Zagor, yes 15.07.47 # as far as i understand mpeg it shouldnt be that big of a problem ? 15.07.52 # kargatron: after you press OFF, you can't go back to wps with ON. it should be the same after usb 15.08.14 # ah, ok 15.08.28 # webmind: extracting the audio from the mpeg file is the problem 15.08.44 # is it ? 15.08.56 # and the audio in an mpeg stream, is it really mp3? 15.08.57 # why ? 15.09.07 # mpeg1 i think 15.09.08 # webmind: i didn't say it was hard 15.10.00 # webmind: as long as the MAS can play the audio... 15.10.37 # afaik mas support all mpeg audio right? 15.10.48 # awell i'll check tuesday or sth. 15.10.58 # got mas docs on my work 15.11.58 # "unless someone has them at hand :)" 15.12.10 # webmind: on the web page 15.12.21 # no pdf viewer here 15.12.35 # ok 15.18.24 # it can play mpeg 1 and 2, layer 2 and 3 15.18.58 # layer 2 is broken at the moment in rockbox, to be fixed 15.19.08 # * webmind kicks himself... i was suprised it gave an hd error.. doesnt have one atm... 15.19.33 # LinusN, tried just stuffing the mpeg video file to the mass chip ? 15.20.30 # webmind: of course not 15.20.47 # ok 15.21.04 # the mas doesn't want any foreign data, oir it will lose sync 15.21.18 # but u need to know how to get the audio from a mpeg video file ? 15.21.20 # that's why gapless playback is tricky 15.21.28 # ah k 15.21.38 # webmind: that's why i said that the problem was extracting the audio 15.22.02 # ok 15.22.35 # i supose u didnt check mpeg docs ? 15.23.01 # LinusN, whoops, just got a red light hang. no jolts 15.23.04 # for the mpeg video file format? 15.23.08 # uhuh 15.23.18 # was just after an ON wps file activation 15.23.20 # i haven't, no 15.23.35 # kargatron: talk to Zagor 15.23.59 # webmind: remember, i have never attempted to extract audio from a video file 15.24.15 # ok, Zagor, whoops... :) 15.24.18 # i haven't had the need to 15.24.19 # LinusN, ok. 15.24.29 # LinusN, as i here there libaries who can do it 15.24.36 # kargatron: what is an "ON file activation"??? 15.24.47 # webmind: that's good 15.25.00 # sorry, playing, press ON, play another .wps file to change display 15.25.10 # just what i did before the read hang, is all 15.25.15 # kargatron: can you repeat it? 15.25.26 # i'll try. 15.25.33 # a52dec == ansi c lib, can rip audio from mpeg1 and 2 15.27.00 # also getting blank %ig sometimes, for tracks that show genre in winamp (e.g. 'Electronic'). probably a table-lookup mismatch? 15.27.29 # [doesn't bother me, since i fall back on genre-folder org anyway] but thought i'd mention it 15.28.23 # kargatron: can you upload a failing file somewhere? 15.28.36 # .wps change didn't affect last disk read. :-/ probably a timing issue 15.28.43 # ok will do 15.33.51 # those disk hangs are really annoying 15.34.58 # Zagor: i think it's when accessing the disk in the 2 second interval between sleep and poweroff 15.35.24 # why? 15.35.32 Quit lither (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.36.31 # Zagor: maybe because "sleeping" is still set, and the last_sleep time passes before the drive has spun up 15.38.08 # Zagor, http://kargatron.net/mp3/General Magic & Pita - Thaw Fridge.mp3 15.38.19 # "http://kargatron.net/mp3/General Magic & Pita - Thaw Fridge.mp3" 15.38.25 # sorry for the spaces 15.38.57 # LinusN: and..? if it's still sleeping, it won't call sleep again. 15.39.06 # that was the fix I just did 15.40.09 # sorry if I sound annoyed. I'm just frustrated :-) 15.40.30 # Zagor: it will not re-sleep, it will power off 15.42.37 # whoa! you're right. 15.42.47 # arghh 15.44.13 # kargatron: can you easily repeat this? i.e. can you test my fix? 15.44.51 # the disk hang, not the genre bug 15.47.32 # kargatron? 15.48.10 Join greececdmailing [0] (~greececdm@athei53-a-090.otenet.gr) 15.48.10 Quit greececdmailing (Client Quit) 15.48.13 # http://rockbox.haxx.se/test.ajz 15.49.01 Join greececdmailing [0] (~greececdm@athei53-a-090.otenet.gr) 15.49.04 # * Zagor begs 15.49.08 # heey people 15.49.16 # hey, welcome back :-) 15.49.21 # do you know any forum for Archos products? 15.49.25 # hey zagor 15.49.36 # greececdmailing, this place? 15.49.42 # www.funmp3players.com 15.49.42 # hehe 15.49.53 # yeah i know that one linus..thankx anyway 15.50.01 # groups.yahoo.com - archosjukebox6000 15.50.15 # Im still trying to find out stuff about archos multimedia 15.50.53 # dudes? 15.50.57 # greececdmailing: there's a yahoo forum about the multimedia too 15.51.03 # tell me it 15.51.25 # search from LinusN's line above 15.51.44 # Zagor, sorry 15.51.46 # was away 15.51.47 # ok 15.52.21 # i couldn't repeat the hang, so not sure how to test... 15.52.51 # the track you wanted, that was the ig bug, right? 15.52.56 # yes 15.53.42 # zagor? 15.53.49 # whats the group about multi? 15.53.49 # could you post a bug about it, and rename the file "badgenretag.mp3" or something so it's easy to remember what it is about. (I can be pretty confused sometimes...) 15.53.52 # greececdmailing, what is it u want to know ? 15.54.19 # greececdmailing: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/archosmultimedia 15.54.25 # webmind.. I WANT to know abou the camera that u can put on it.I want to know how many fps it can record 15.54.26 # plus, my last hang was from 13:20 BE, there's a later fix? i never've dealth with CVS compiles 15.55.01 # kargatron: no that was the lastest cvs compile. the new is a test build I uploaded to rockbox.haxx.se/test.ajz 15.55.29 # greececdmailing, mail archos? :) 15.55.46 # i tried calling that friend btw.. but someone else has his nr now 15.56.02 # fuck..thats unlucky 15.58.58 # has anyone here tested xoscope? it uses the sound card input as an oscilloscope. http://xoscope.sourceforge.net/ 16.00.53 # Zagor: sounds pretty unusable to me 16.00.54 # Zagor, hm, sounds interesting.. but wouldnt it be very easy to blow up your soundcard then ? 16.02.41 # beats me 16.02.43 # :) 16.02.58 # LinusN: why is that? 48 kHz not usable enough for you? 16.03.53 # well, maybe... 16.04.44 # I was thinking about buying a simple oscope, and stumbled on it. 16.09.15 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.11.26 # see ya later.. 16.11.29 # thankx for the group 16.11.33 # it seems really helpful 16.11.36 # bye dues 16.11.39 # dudes i ment 16.11.39 Quit greececdmailing () 16.11.50 # kargatron: getting anything? 16.11.54 # Hadaka? 16.12.01 # * Zagor screams into the void 16.13.38 # as i said, reproducing the hang failed before, so testing is not exactly a science 16.15.15 # i know :) i'm just being impatient 16.16.10 Join Bagder [241] (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) 16.16.19 # I am impatient 16.16.21 # My scroll bug! :( 16.16.26 # Skipping sound! 16.16.28 # *sob sob* 16.16.38 # :%s/My/the/g 16.16.40 # can you believe there is a binutils version 2.13.90.0.16 16.16.45 # lol 16.16.54 # its more like a phone number ;-) 16.17.45 # i'm committing this to cvs. seems to do no harm anyway. 16.20.29 # Yay for Z! 16.20.40 # * dwihno loves commits! :D 16.20.43 # And hot choco 16.20.45 # And Caramell 16.20.52 # but then, who doesn't? 16.21.05 # * Bagder points on logbot ;-) 16.21.27 #>> "doesn't like commits?" by Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) 16.21.37 # He must be a weird fella'' 16.21.38 # no, he never gets to see them 16.21.42 # crap, i'm in trouble :) 16.22.23 # Zagor: you smuggled the MAS specs out of archos top secret labs? :) 16.22.26 # spam to rockboxshirt@haxx.se. isn't that nice... 16.22.31 # dwihno: haha 16.22.38 # * Zagor the super spy 16.23.39 # kargatron: the bad genre was totally empty, right. not just wrong genre? 16.23.43 # Zagor: how about a more explicit FSM in ata_thread? 16.23.50 # empty 16.24.12 # Zagor: Spam should be outlawed! 16.24.16 # LinusN: fsm? 16.24.40 # finite state machine 16.24.50 # you know, enum...switch() 16.25.10 # like the usb thread 16.25.54 # the usb thread has a state machine? looks to me like it's just processing requests 16.26.18 # the ata states are calculated @4Hz, so the complexity would still be there. 16.26.56 # or am I missing something? 16.27.43 # yeah, I am. now I understand what you mean. an enum instead of three boolans. ok, slap me. :-) 16.28.48 # *slap* 16.28.48 # * Bagder slaps Zagor 16.30.24 # * dwihno slaps Zagor too (just because of the group pressure) 16.30.57 # * Zagor feels refreshed 16.31.06 # :) 16.31.29 # i'm not sure I should change that right now, though... 16.32.33 # no 16.32.57 # Zagor: Just do a CVS commit :D 16.33.02 # It will make you feel much better 16.33.05 # i've added enough bugs for a while 16.33.28 # I bet you was the one who added the scroll glitch :) 16.33.35 # but then, you're the code police 16.33.39 # shhh! 16.33.41 # you wouldn't allow that 16.33.57 # Bagder: your spinup times are ok now, right? 16.34.03 # maybe the archos fellows caught you in the act while stealing the MAS specs 16.34.11 # SO they made you join the dark side of the force! 16.34.12 # Zagor: yes, they seem ok 16.34.31 # So now you're adding bugs so people will return to the archos firmware 16.34.38 # Just like lost sheep who finds their way home 16.35.41 # damn, my cover is blown. Tank, I need a channel. 16.36.04 # *rofl* :-) 16.36.20 # 100i:-) 16.38.35 # What good is a phone call, mr Zagor, if you cannot speak! *mohawhawhaw* 16.41.59 Quit Bagder ("http://daniel.haxx.se") 16.42.26 # only 6 months away. love the one-way direction of time... 16.52.13 # (?) 16.52.31 # matric reloaded 16.52.32 # x 16.52.45 # just being abstruse, sorry 16.53.03 # Zagor, test.ajz running for a while, no probs. but also motionless and non-interactive 16.53.35 # and as you know, absence of evidence isn't necessarily evidence of absence... :) 16.53.56 # :-) 16.55.11 # poetry 16.55.40 # Hey, I got a good slogan 16.55.59 # "Rockbox - Commit to the CVS, or ELSE!" 16.56.01 # :-) 16.56.56 # (: 16.58.08 # "Rockbox - Hey, SOMEONE has got to fix Zagors bugs" 16.58.38 # "Because SOMEONE should really do SOMETHING" 16.58.54 # My game will rock :) 16.58.58 # It will rock your world! 16.59.02 # Zagor: ...even if it's totally wrong! 16.59.14 # LinusN: no, that's my job :) 16.59.39 # Rockbox - it sucks THAT much!!! 17.00.07 # Rockbox - Straight from stockholm, into your ears! 17.00.07 # Rockbox - is that even legal? 17.00.21 # Hey, make audio mixing possible 17.00.28 # and then add some subliminal messages 17.00.35 # "bomb microsoft hq" 17.00.41 # "send cash to Zagro" 17.00.46 # zagreb? :) 17.00.47 # Zagreb 17.01.06 # LinusN: where is the 3500 ms limit? i'd like to test without it 17.01.46 # recalculate_watermark() in mpeg.c 17.01.57 # ok 17.02.14 # Zagor - finally Scandisk found an enemy 17.05.47 # Time to check out for the weekend 17.05.52 # Any pending CVS commits? :) 17.05.59 # always 17.06.59 # then commit! :D 17.07.07 # I want razor sharp builds! :D 17.08.14 # we could save the average spinup time to disk 17.08.20 # in settings, I mean 17.09.00 # why? 17.09.15 # just for a more optimised run directly from boot 17.09.53 # no biggie 17.10.21 # nothing newer than the 2002-12-06 15:17 commit? 17.11.05 # hehe, no. we're lazy, it's friday... 17.12.33 # Is the sound glitching fixed? 17.12.43 # buffer underrun blabla 17.12.59 # buffer-underrun-play-old-buffer :) 17.13.09 # sounds pretty funky when listening to CARAMELL 17.13.12 # at least I don't get it 17.13.50 # rockbox is using chicken watermarks now. :) lowest 14FBB for me. 17.15.06 # Rockbox - Chicken watermarks, for chicken Zagor ;) 17.15.15 # * dwihno brings Zagor some Guinness 17.15.23 # * dwihno gets himself some Heineken 17.16.27 # i just noticed - numeric volume display has disappeared. 17.16.43 # toggling that option changes nothing - always graphic 17.16.54 # dunno how old that problem is. 17.17.04 # kargatron: file a reoprt 17.17.50 # "version: Zagor's test.ajz" :) 17.18.12 # File a B5R311 report and post 10 copies to Zagor :) 17.18.21 # can someone verify before i do? 17.18.29 # corroborate, i mean 17.19.25 # works for me 17.20.26 # on 13:20 BE? 17.20.27 # doesn't work for me either 17.20.49 # kargatron: try the 15:20 BE 17.20.57 # i probably have something odd locally here 17.21.15 # I bet it is the lack of CVS commits 17.22.41 # argh, can only ROLO to 1205, which is fine. probably just test.ajz, huh? 17.23.07 # USBing inconvenient atm, will try later, won't submit before 17.25.01 # well, friday guys. see you later! 17.25.04 # Time to do like the tree, and get out of here 17.25.06 Part Zagor 17.25.11 # Back to the future on TV3 - don't miss it :) 17.25.24 Nick dwihno is now known as dw|gone (dwihno@Bald067.Baldakinen.Umea.SE) 17.28.06 # gods 17.28.11 # my timing sucks 17.28.18 # anyone know what zagor tried to tell me? :) 17.28.32 # not offhand 17.34.28 # he wanted you to try the lates BE 17.34.37 Quit kargatron ("Suckers!") 17.36.33 # ookay, I'll download and do that 17.38.07 Join kargatron [0] (~Vincent@ppp12-154.ath.forthnet.gr) 17.47.38 # so, what's in this? dynamic watermark and spinup spindown fix? 17.48.51 # wm: 60810 - 3c512 17.49.01 Quit pyvasene () 17.49.12 # anyone here tried upgrading the mem already on the player ? 17.49.37 # Hadaka: it should not skip at all now 17.49.42 # webmind: yes 17.49.46 # LinusN, and ?> 17.49.55 # http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2002-09/0769.shtml 17.50.00 # yes i read it 17.50.05 # wondered about someone in here 17.50.11 # no, only him 17.51.04 # ok 17.51.05 # now trying my 256kbit mp3's 17.51.24 # 7b0c0 is the watermark now 17.51.39 # Hadaka: we use *very* generous watermarks atm 17.51.54 # Hadaka: what is your anti-skip setting? 17.52.16 # LinusN: 0s 17.52.31 # wow, you have quite a slow disk, what's your spinup time? 17.52.32 # cos i wondered if its possible without special soldering/heating equipment 17.52.49 # 5sec - I'm using the power off now 17.52.56 # 2 seconds without the power off 17.53.01 # webmind: you need a pretty hot, fine-pitch soldering iron 17.53.22 # i have 3.6s with poweroff 17.53.27 # lowest is 4c512 now 17.53.33 # what's your watermark? 17.53.39 # pretty good margin :-) 17.53.45 # if you have 256kbit mp3's 17.53.48 # LinusN, i read he used some sort of fans ? 17.54.18 # 668a0 with 320kbit/s 17.54.38 # LinusN: i think the not-spinning-down-during-spinup fix would've already solved my problems, without the dynamic watermarking even 17.54.45 # 52080 with 256 17.54.54 # Hadaka: yes it would have 17.54.55 # ok 17.55.22 # but now we can fine-tune the dynamic watermarking to optimize buffer/battery usage 17.55.35 # so right now I'm happy if this never manages to skip, even if it will draw a bit more power 17.56.08 # but when you've done rudimentary fine-tuning, I can measure the playtime against the 12h I have before while my batteries are still good 17.56.25 # good 17.57.10 # anyway, good work on the stuff - I never believed dynamic watermarking could come so fast, and the anti-skip buffer setting 17.58.00 # but now I'll fall idle for a while atleast 18.04.56 Quit alkorr (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 18.05.18 # Hadaka: we will fine-tune it so that the calculated watermark is enough for playing while still 18.05.39 # and add the anti-skip margin when jogging 18.05.39 Quit [keno] (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.06.34 Join [keno] [0] (marklar2@80.178.33.170) 18.06.52 # LinusN: yeah, it'd be nice if it were "just" enough at 0sec 18.07.05 # that's the plan 18.07.29 Nick LinusN is now known as LinusN|away (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 18.07.29 DBUG Enqueued KICK LinusN|away 18.09.19 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.47.59 Nick LinusN|away is now known as LinusN (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 18.47.59 DBUG Enqueued KICK LinusN 19.06.37 Quit TotMacher () 19.42.33 Join TotMacher [0] (tot@p5084BF56.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.59.15 Quit Triple-z ("boo") 20.01.44 Join Zagor [242] (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 20.08.53 # yo Zagor 20.09.00 # howdy cowboy 20.09.16 # any news? 20.09.23 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.09.23 # not really 20.09.33 # Hadaka says it works great for him 20.13.47 # nice! 20.18.27 # maybe i can concentrate on the recording again... :-) 20.20.17 # hehe 20.21.17 # haxx.se had a peak in the web server log yesterday :-) 20.21.50 # how was your swap site? 20.21.53 # you don't say? :) 20.22.13 # busy. very busy. at times >30 concurrent processes. 20.22.28 # but it held up nicely. ~1000 new ads in the last 24 hours! 20.22.57 # and www.haxx.se is only the home page, not even the swapping site 20.24.02 # hits on wednesday: 37771 20.24.19 # hits on thursday: 99717 :-) 20.24.32 # a smaller increase than I expected, actually. 20.25.06 # expected or feared :-) 20.25.45 # nah, performance is not a big problem 20.39.26 Join edx [0] (~edx@pD9EAB80D.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.39.31 # that didn't stop some loony from suggesting I make the damn thing distributed, though... 20.40.17 Quit [keno] (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.40.52 Join [keno] [0] (marklar2@80.178.33.170) 20.41.26 # hum 20.41.40 # Hadaka: don't say that. DON'T SAY THAT! 20.41.46 # :) 20.41.52 # heh 20.42.34 # the play-time counter - it survives restarts of the machine or not? 20.42.58 # it does 20.44.07 # it probably won't know if you secretly charge it with the archos firmware without booting rockbox? :) 20.44.15 # no 20.44.26 # well, have to remember that 20.45.09 # that's adultery! you'd never do that, would you? 20.45.58 # I do, actually - since that's how I recharged these new batteries the first time so I want the charging to be similar 20.46.51 # ok. you can reset the runtime counter by pressing play in the viewer 20.48.05 # it works now? goodie 20.50.16 # did it ever not work? 20.50.28 # nobody tells me anything :-) 20.50.51 # no I meant that you didn't just know think that it could reset by pressing play and commit the change :) 20.51.24 # haha, no 20.51.45 # (can't trust you guys on these matters, too quick to implement stuff) 20.53.02 # yeah, we've got to stop that 20.55.20 # the dynamic watermark was quite generous, the lowest the buffer ever got was around 40000 20.56.14 # (with 0 s anti-skip) 20.56.52 # oy, that's high 21.03.23 Join graf008 [0] (~graf008@x128-101-252-209.dialup.umn.edu) 21.04.42 # Is the Archos Studio 10 gig player able to use your project (the one selling for around $120 right now)? 21.04.51 # yes it is 21.05.06 # ARe there any hardware hacks to it as well? 21.05.47 # well, you can do the hardware hacks to that 21.05.57 # if you are referring to the line-in thingy and such 21.07.00 # yeah I guess. I noticed that there will never be ogg vorbis support. I thought I noticed a hack that added memory to the thing...would that be a way around that limitation? 21.07.07 # no 21.07.28 # only replacing the MAS chip (or putting in a really fast and power heavy CPU) would 21.07.38 # and replacing the MAS would be really no trivial enterprise 21.07.48 # I see. Hmmm... 21.08.13 # So, what is the purpose of the rockbox project? 21.08.25 # Basically, what advantage does it provide? 21.08.34 # that's a FAQ 21.08.36 # features and interface improvment 21.08.37 # http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/features.html 21.10.24 # thanks...trying to decide between that and an iPod 21.10.52 # the ipod is smaller, and better integrated with iTunes if you have a Mac. and that's basically it. 21.11.06 # better ergonomics, surely? 21.11.19 # yeah...and I have a Mac. 21.11.34 # And doesn't the iPod support ogg vorbis? 21.11.37 # kargatron: you think so? i've seen tons of flames about the non-sensitive iPod buttons. and the menus are horrible. 21.11.37 # well, rockbox is really nice in ergonomics too - and the point that you can fix them yourself to be what you want is an important one 21.11.54 # graf008: no it doesn't 21.12.00 # i was thinking hardware, but haven't paid much attention 21.13.06 # never actually played with one. 21.13.17 # big cost difference, that's for sure. 21.13.56 # graf008: you need to try to figure out what is important to you. rockbox will probably never have as good iTunes integration as the iPod, for instance. 21.14.28 # rockbox will have *some* itunes integration??? :) 21.14.45 # but the Archos can record, and use 80-gig disks, and use replacable batteries and... a zillion other things 21.14.56 # kargatron: it could happen 21.15.03 # Yeah..5 gig iPod (w/ firewire, though) for $240....Archos Studio w/ 10 gig - $116 21.15.11 # yeah, and monkeys might fly outta my butt! :) 21.15.21 # can't resist quoting austin when possible 21.15.27 # graf008: if you grab an Archos, I'd strongly suggest a Recorder model 21.15.35 # Austin? That's Wayne 21.15.44 # they have graphic display, while the studio models have charcell display 21.15.48 # what's the low price on the ajbr20 now? 21.15.51 # Yeah..that's quite a but more 21.15.53 # graf008, youre right, oops 21.16.19 # hmmm..and there is no open source deelopment on the ipod ;) 21.16.29 # surely it's around $250 now? for 20gig 21.16.37 # the bottom line is, they are both the best. but at different things. 21.16.45 # Then again, a Dell Axim 400Mhz PocketPC w/ 128 secure card is only $230 21.16.51 # Zogor: Thanks... 21.24.18 # Hadaka: if you feel like it, it could be interesting testing the new charger code. it seems to charge better than 1.4 21.45.06 Quit graf008 ("Client Exiting") 21.49.18 # Zagor: how would I evaluate charging? 21.52.27 # drain - charge - play 21.53.11 # and repeat N times for statistical weight :) 21.55.45 # :-) 21.56.00 # we want your results by tomorrow :-) 22.09.24 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.42.06 # gawd, this MAS isn't exactly easy to handle... 22.44.10 Join MrSnazz [0] (~jmc@e-64-35-146-236.empnet.net) 22.44.13 # Greetings all 22.44.24 # hi 22.44.43 # I just won an auction on eBay for the Jukebox Recorder 20gb, with *dark gray* instead of blue trim. I was wondering if you know if there is any physical difference? 22.45.03 # no, i think it's only the color of the bumbers 22.45.25 # cool, thanks :) I can't wait to get it and load up rockbox :) 22.45.33 # good luck with that 22.45.50 # looks straightforward :) be seeing you 22.45.53 Part MrSnazz 22.46.30 Part kargatron 23.19.06 Nick _seb_ is now known as seb-away (trilluser@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 23.35.26 # time to sleep, night all 23.35.57 Part LinusN 23.51.47 Join edx|notebook [0] (~edx@pD9EAB80D.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.52.07 Quit edx|notebook (Client Quit)