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00.01.36 #       <LinusN|away> ...and Greece...12 points! ...la Grece...douze points!
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00.02.42 #       <kSADerfos> ?
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00.03.01 #       <LinusN> hehe, you never watch the eurovision song contest?
00.03.27 #       <e-potsi> :) Greece always sucks in eurovision :)
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00.04.36 #       <e-potis> where's EV taking place this time?
00.05.08 #       <LinusN> i dunno
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07.36.55 #       <aodh> howdy, i would like to try and code a play directory feature... i've read the docs, and feature requests etc.. is it reasonable to add?
07.37.18 #       <aodh> or if anyone could tell me what file the action for the play button is defined...
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08.37.56 #       <dwihno> Bagder: aww, you shouldn't! :)
08.38.02 #       <dwihno> Carry on! :)
08.38.16 #       * Bagder gets up on his feet and carries on
08.38.20 #       <dwihno> :-D
08.38.34 #       <dwihno> Don't forget to do some CVS commits today! ;D
09.22.34 Nick    Zagor_ is now known as Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se)
09.27.27 #       <dwihno> Yay for Zagor! :D
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09.31.43 #       <quelsaruk> hi
09.33.00 #       <Bagder> hey
09.33.05 #       <dwihno> ho
09.34.39 #       <quelsaruk> zagor on tv?
09.34.56 #       <Bagder> last week, yes
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09.37.13 #       <Bagder> hardeep!
09.37.28 #       <hardeep> Bagder!
09.37.53 #       <hardeep> hmmm, has your nick always been Bagder?  I thought it was Badger... :)
09.38.17 #       <Bagder> I've always been this dyslexic, yes ;-)
09.44.09 #       <dwihno> Mr. Sidhu! :D Welcome!
09.47.41 #       <hardeep> heh heh
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10.11.00 #       * Bagder fires up nessus and directs it on his home machine
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10.11.53 #       <Zagor> hehe
10.12.00 #       <Zagor> did you use apt-get? ;)
10.12.26 #       <Bagder> no
10.12.33 #       <Zagor> chicken ;)
10.13.06 #       <Bagder> nessus actually comes with an "installer" ;-)
10.13.16 #       <Zagor> nghh
10.13.37 #       <Bagder> basicly a good old shar thing
10.13.47 #       <Zagor> ah
10.14.01 #       <Bagder> 2.9MB shell script
10.23.09 #       <Zagor> argh
10.23.39 #       <Zagor> how many times will people ask for "whole-disk random play"?
10.24.12 #       <quelsaruk> a lot?
10.24.14 #       <quelsaruk> :)
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10.28.57 #       <Zagor> no more tv
10.29.10 Topic   "http://rockbox.haxx.se/TODO" by Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se)
10.39.06 #       <quelsaruk> cu!
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10.39.15 #       <Bagder> hasta la vista
10.39.21 #       <Bagder> :-)
10.39.23 #       <quel|out> ummm...
10.39.23 #       <hardeep> Okay, got a pseudo-working queue function but I have a few items that i'd like some input on:
10.39.28 #       <quel|out> that sounded like terminator
10.39.36 #       <quel|out> :)
10.39.40 #       <hardeep> 1. Where to store the queue list?  A. Memory B. Disk
10.39.44 #       <hardeep> I prefer B
10.39.49 #       <Bagder> I agree
10.39.52 #       <langhaarrocker> b
10.39.54 #       <Bagder> people will want resume on it
10.39.58 #       <hardeep> 2. How to handle resume?  Ignore queue list?
10.40.01 #       <hardeep> Okay, heh :)
10.40.22 #       <hardeep> and 3. What key sequence for queueing a file?
10.40.38 #       <Zagor> i'm about to add ON+PLAY in browser for "special actions"
10.40.59 #       <langhaarrocker> 2.) configurable in some menu
10.41.19 #       <Zagor> it will bring up a quick-menu with selections for queueing, add to file list, rename etc.
10.41.19 #       <Zagor> well, I plan to anyway :-)
10.41.38 #       <hardeep> okay, cool, that works
10.42.06 #       <hardeep> i'll just use a temporary setting for now... maybe just the 2s play thing for now
10.42.23 #       <Zagor> ok
10.43.01 #       <Zagor> hmm... ON+RIGHT, ON-LEFT could be used for selecting files
10.45.00 #       <Hadaka> ouch!
10.45.07 #       <Zagor> ?
10.45.10 #       <Hadaka> 7h runtime even with power-off disabled
10.45.17 #       <Zagor> very strange
10.45.34 #       <Zagor> power-off disabled should be no different from 1.4
10.45.35 #       <Hadaka> so it's either that the watermarking code is bad - or my batteries are now bad - or that something else changed between 1.4 and this that is making a big difference
10.45.52 #       <Zagor> watermarking differences shouldn
10.46.03 #       <Zagor> 't make 4 hours difference, methinks
10.46.15 #       <Hadaka> yeah - the watermark was even lower than 40000 at some point, which was nice
10.46.16 #       <Zagor> can you run another 1.4 test?
10.46.38 #       <Zagor> sorry to be a pain :-)
10.46.50 #       <Hadaka> yeah, I'll be doing that today
10.47.17 #       <Hadaka> if the playtime is around 7hours with that, I'm buying new batteries again :)
10.47.19 #       <Zagor> maybe you could try simply clocking the spinups for a few tracks with 1.4 and BE
10.47.41 #       <langhaarrocker> maybe someone should change something so that the "Feature Comparison Chart" matches Rockbox... :)
10.48.11 #       <Hadaka> I'll see about that at work
10.48.23 #       <Hadaka> but it truly might be that I toasted my batteries
10.49.02 #       <Bagder> langhaarrocker: meaning... ?
10.50.51 #       <langhaarrocker> either swap the "battery lifetime" entry or make rockbox use less battery. Just kidding. Sorry.
10.50.58 #       <Bagder> oh
10.51.19 #       <Bagder> that's just propaganda ;-)
10.51.23 #       <Zagor> to early for humor :-)
10.51.29 #       <Zagor> too even
10.51.37 #       <Hadaka> anyway, off to work now and more tests there
10.51.52 #       <Zagor> Hadaka: ok. see you.
10.52.34 #       <Zagor> how do I easily check if my perl installation has a module or not? Net::DNS in this case.
10.53.10 #       <langhaarrocker> btw: In the FCC I read that Archos could "File Delete & Rename" - can it really rename? Never found that.
10.54.11 #       <Zagor> someone else noted that too. it should be changed.
10.55.19 #       <Bagder> Zagor: perl -MNet::DNS
10.55.31 #       <Zagor> ah, thanks
10.56.02 #       <langhaarrocker> Zagor: That someone might want to mention that the peak meter is configurable, too
10.56.39 #       <langhaarrocker> just for increasing propaganda...
10.56.50 #       <Zagor> :-)
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11.12.26 #       <quelsaruk> re-hi
11.12.46 #       <quelsaruk> ....
11.14.04 #       <quelsaruk> if queue mode is going to be enabled, the repeat all, one, none option should be changed to playmode: normal, repeat all, repeat one and queue, no?
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11.16.18 #       <Zagor> quelsaruk: huh?
11.16.25 #       <quelsaruk> jajaja
11.16.31 #       <hardeep> hmmm, currently I'm just implementing it so that if you queue a song it's the next song that gets played after the current song
11.16.37 #       <Zagor> I want to queue a file while repeat-playing a playlist
11.16.45 #       <Zagor> hardeep: sounds good to me
11.16.51 #       <webmind> morning
11.17.19 #       <quelsaruk> i had another idea of that queue option
11.17.21 #       <quelsaruk> :)
11.17.26 #       <quelsaruk> sorry
11.17.37 #       <quelsaruk> to early in the morning
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12.19.35 #       <Bagder> only one minor thing found by nessus
12.19.51 #       <Bagder> I allow SSHv1 protocol on my ssh server
12.19.55 #       <dwihno> is that bad?
12.20.19 #       <Bagder> nah
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12.20.22 #       <dwihno> I allow Caramelldansen everywhere, is that a security flaw?
12.20.29 #       <Bagder> yes
12.20.35 #       <Bagder> for people's sanity ;-)
12.21.00 #       <Zagor> Bagder: what is the cvs $ tag for just version number? $Id: is so long..
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12.21.39 #       <Bagder> $version:$ I think
12.21.57 #       <Bagder> or $Version:$ rather, I think differs on case
12.22.01 #       <dwihno> Bagder: Well, just wait until the kebab dance has reached you... It's a dupe of the ketchup dance, which is a dupe of the macarena, which is a dupe of some latino-blabla
12.22.23 #       <Bagder> I'm still recovering from a bad case of kebab song
12.22.55 #       <dwihno> :-D
12.23.14 #       <dwihno> Linus is still under the influence
12.23.17 #       <Zagor> Bagder: neither works. nor $Version: $
12.23.19 #       <dwihno> It might be the fiiina sallad
12.23.25 #       <Zagor> never mind
12.24.03 #       <langhaarrocker> Maybe cvs isn't configured to expand variables for this kind of file?
12.25.00 #       <Zagor> maybe
12.26.23 #       <Zagor> lunch
12.26.59 #       <langhaarrocker> what kind of files do you want to contain keywords like $Version:$ ?
12.36.43 #       <langhaarrocker> And I think it is $Revision$ instead of $Version$
12.37.15 #       <Bagder> ah, might be that, yes
12.37.52 #       <langhaarrocker> If that fails you might have to check out the CVSROOT module and edit the cvswrappers file in it.
12.38.20 #       <Hadaka> it's $Revision$ or $Rev$
12.40.19 #       <Bagder> windows sure is fun
12.40.32 #       <Bagder> a guy ran some tests on sending data on a socket
12.40.45 #       <langhaarrocker> btw: what do you think about establishing a module in the CVSROOT/module file that contains all sources but the www?
12.40.47 #       <Bagder> if the buffer is 12KB it is WAY slower than if the buffer is 8 or 16KB
12.41.07 #       <Bagder> langhaarrocker: that's a very good idea
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12.43.54 #       <Hadaka> you should write the whole module file properly
12.44.06 #       <Hadaka> I can do it if langhaarrocker doesn't
12.44.16 #       <langhaarrocker> I'm short of time...
12.55.05 #       <Bagder> bbl
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12.59.00 #       <Hadaka> I'll try to do it later today
12.59.17 #       <langhaarrocker> :)
13.03.51 #       <langhaarrocker> lunch
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13.57.59 #       <langhaarrocker> Hadaka: Do you have cvs write access?
13.58.08 #       <langhaarrocker> (I don't)
13.59.33 #       <Zagor> I do. neener neener :)
14.00.05 #       <langhaarrocker> Buaääähhhh!
14.01.26 #       <langhaarrocker> What good would be a code police without cvs write access.
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14.09.26 #       <Bagder> hi edx
14.09.32 #       <edx> hi :)
14.10.01 #       <langhaarrocker> hohoho
14.10.26 #       <edx> Bagder: what has happened to the rockbox t-shirts? You said ppl might be able to order one... (some time ago in the mailing list)?
14.10.40 #       <Bagder> yes
14.10.44 #       <Bagder> well
14.10.54 #       <Bagder> I'm trying to get Adi to send me the design
14.11.03 #       <Bagder> hires photoshop
14.11.14 #       <edx> ah - that means they still arent printed?
14.11.15 #       <Bagder> no luck
14.11.19 #       <Bagder> correct
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14.12.33 #       <edx> do you happen to know wheather the win makefile's still working? haven't tried for a while
14.12.43 #       <Bagder> dunno
14.22.04 #       <edx> hey, that's incredible - the makefile's working!
14.22.12 #       <Bagder> hehe
14.22.22 #       <quelsaruk> cu!
14.22.26 #       <edx> cu
14.22.32 #       <quelsaruk> ummm
14.23.37 #       <quelsaruk> bagder, in playlist.c there's still a string that doesn't use the lang.h :)
14.23.46 #       <quelsaruk> i'll tell you later, after lunch
14.23.47 #       <quelsaruk> :)
14.23.56 #       <quelsaruk> now i'm really hungry
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14.35.05 #       <Bagder> matsl: running nessus on your machine atm
14.35.24 #       <Hadaka> langhaarrocker: no
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15.10.11 #       <Bagder> hey!
15.10.27 #       <LinusN> yo
15.11.17 #       <webmind> hi
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15.17.25 #       <edski> Quick question before I go spend money: Will RockBox recorder software work on Recorder 15 (or 10) as well as the 20? A store here (in Arizona, in the US) has the Recorder 15s for $229.00, and offers a $50.00 rebate after that. TIA.
15.17.53 #       <webmind> edski, most likely yes
15.18.14 #       <Hadaka> it should - but do note that recorder 20 is the only (afaik) one that has USB 2.0 interface, which gives faster transfer speeds
15.19.25 #       <langhaarrocker> strange: I never heared of a jukebox 15. Only 6, 10 and 20.
15.19.33 #       <webmind> uhuh
15.20.08 #       <LinusN> edski: don't worry, it will work
15.20.29 #       <LinusN> as long as you don't buy an fm recorder
15.20.40 #       <edski> Regular USB should be sufficient. My primary use will be making live recordings and then uploading. Once in my Linux box, all the "real work" will be done there. I'll come back here tomorrow and let you know.
15.20.57 #       <webmind> ok
15.28.19 #       <Bagder> time to run off
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15.29.37 #       <langhaarrocker> Is there any intersting multi track recording software for linux?
15.32.44 #       <webmind> afaik there is
15.32.50 #       <webmind> tried freshmeat ?
15.33.04 #       <webmind> http://project.expr42.net/archos-player/pics.html <-- my archos atm
15.39.36 #       <Zagor> ooh, naked! :)
15.39.48 #       <webmind> uhuh :)
15.39.59 #       <dwihno> I get no reply
15.40.05 #       <dwihno> ah
15.40.08 #       <dwihno> now I got it
15.40.35 #       <dwihno> it looks so green!
15.41.06 #       <webmind> uhuh
15.41.13 #       <webmind> green batteries, green print
15.41.34 #       <dwihno> Why is it naked?
15.41.44 #       <dwihno> Is it to provide optimal cooling effect? :)
15.42.06 #       <webmind> http://project.expr42.net/archos-player/
15.42.09 #       <webmind> lol
15.53.23 #       <dwihno> gameboy is so evil
15.54.32 #       <webmind> uhuh
15.59.45 #       <dwihno> I got GBA
16.02.21 #       <webmind> bleh
16.02.28 #       <webmind> dont really like that i think
16.06.10 #       <dwihno> It's fun for playing games :)
16.06.22 #       <dwihno> in W-I-D-E-S-C-E-R-E-E-N! :D
16.10.21 #       <webmind> awell
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16.21.22 #       <edx> Zagor: congrats (@ archos shipping rockbox!)
16.21.56 #       <Zagor> yeah, it's kinda interesting
16.22.32 #       <edx> are they giving us credits, at least? (I mean, the names are in there anyways, but do they mention it as an "external project"?)
16.23.17 #       <LinusN> i don't think they care about names
16.23.24 #       <Zagor> i think they are simply referring to it as an alternative firmware.
16.23.29 #       <LinusN> why would they?
16.23.55 #       <Zagor> i think he said something about a link to our web page
16.24.11 #       <Zagor> but I don't think it will be anything more than that
16.24.50 #       <edx> LinusN: not really talking about names here... I think they should mention the page on the outside of the package
16.25.18 #       <edx> Zagor: yea, maybe we'll get even more interested ppl
16.25.27 #       <Zagor> yup, possibly
16.25.49 #       <langhaarrocker> Something like "rockboxable (r)" ?
16.26.00 #       <LinusN> rockboxed
16.26.25 #       <langhaarrocker> No, that would mean rockbox burned in :)
16.27.02 #       <Zagor> gotta go. see you later!
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16.27.22 #       <LinusN> "designed for Rockbox(tm)"
16.27.45 #       <dwihno> :-)
16.27.56 #       <dwihno> Linus has been taken too much of that starka såsen
16.28.05 #       <dwihno> s/taken/taking/
16.28.08 #       <langhaarrocker> cu
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17.15.47 #       <elinenbe> hi there
17.15.55 #       <elinenbe> I just read the great news!
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17.21.07 #       <elinenbe> how come no one is ever here?
17.21.16 #       * edx is here
17.30.05 #       <elinenbe> hi edx
17.33.09 #       <edx> hi
17.33.18 #       <edx> great news, indeed ;)
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17.34.03 #       <elinenbe> did you check out the ONDIO manual?
17.34.19 #       <edx> no where do I get it?
17.34.39 #       <edx> ok .. just saw your mail
17.36.05 #       <edx> hehe, yea nice finding ;)
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17.46.03 #       <quelsaruk> hi
17.50.18 #       <edx> hi
17.59.36 #       <quelsaruk> hey! i've just read the mail about archos asking for premission to use rockbox
18.00.03 #       <quelsaruk> that's great
18.00.04 #       <quelsaruk> :)
18.00.13 #       <edx> really ;)
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21.50.50 #       <drink_bleach104> hello?
21.51.43 #       <drink_bleach104> is there anyone there?
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21.53.04 #       <drink_bleach104> anyone?
21.53.13 #       <Hadaka> patience :)
21.53.30 #       <drink_bleach104> ah a human....
21.53.49 #       <drink_bleach104> would this be a good place to ask a ?
21.54.01 #       <Hadaka> ask, no need to ask to ask :)
21.54.56 #       <drink_bleach104> ok..well i wanted to know if anyone has any intention of writing/rewriting Rockbox for the RCA/Thomson Lyra player
21.56.21 #       <drink_bleach104> or is that asking for a bit much?
21.56.38 #       <drink_bleach104> dman....brb
21.56.40 #       <Hadaka> um
21.56.44 #       <Hadaka> probably impossible
21.57.12 #       <Hadaka> very few players behave as nicely with regard to firmware updates as the archos player does
21.57.27 #       <Hadaka> and have a suitable processor for which there's a good compiler
21.57.34 #       <Hadaka> and have a firmware format which can be easily deciphered
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21.57.53 #       <drink_bleach104> ok, back
21.58.08 #       <drink_bleach104> sorry, what did u say?
21.59.12 #       <Hadaka> um
21.59.14 #       <Hadaka> probably impossible
21.59.18 #       <Hadaka> very few players behave as nicely with regard to firmware updates as the archos player does
21.59.21 #       <Hadaka> and have a suitable processor for which there's a good compiler
21.59.24 #       <Hadaka> and have a firmware format which can be easily deciphered
21.59.54 #       <drink_bleach104> has ne one looked into it?
22.00.17 #       <Hadaka> I don't know of anyone here who would have one
22.00.30 #       <drink_bleach104> hmm
22.00.56 #       <drink_bleach104> looking at the files for the Lyra wouldnt help would it?
22.01.21 #       <Hadaka> looking at how Lyra does firmware upgrades would help
22.01.29 #       <drink_bleach104> i mean, using a hexeditor its easy to change some lables
22.01.33 #       <Hadaka> and looking at the specs of the chips inside a Lyra would help
22.01.41 #       <Hadaka> and disassembling the Lyra would help
22.01.50 #       <drink_bleach104> physicly?
22.01.54 #       <drink_bleach104> or the software?
22.01.55 #       <Hadaka> yes, physically
22.02.10 #       <drink_bleach104> i think i'll leave that to someone else
22.02.29 #       <Hadaka> but mostly it would have to be some other project - rockbox is for archos - and unless it has the same CPU and chips, I don't think too much would be easily portable
22.03.05 #       <drink_bleach104> couldnt the same kinda of method that was used to disassemble the Archos be used?
22.03.57 #       <drink_bleach104> i mean disaamble the Archos software
22.04.02 #       <Hadaka> err - there was no special method used to disassemble the archos
22.04.06 #       <Hadaka> software
22.04.19 #       <drink_bleach104> do u know how it was done?
22.04.53 #       <Hadaka> well what's there to be done? the firmware was code - and the processor was known
22.05.05 #       <Hadaka> the trick was that the firmware was scrambled, but luckily it was a trivial scrambling
22.05.18 #       <drink_bleach104> is it not compiled?
22.06.12 #       <Hadaka> yes, compiled code
22.07.10 #       <drink_bleach104> who actualy did all the work for this project?
22.07.24 #       <LinusN> lots of people, me included
22.07.29 #       <Hadaka> well, there's a list of people
22.07.29 #       <LinusN> Björn started it
22.07.34 #       <LinusN> I and Björn
22.07.39 #       <drink_bleach104> ok
22.07.56 #       <Hadaka> yeah, Linus and Björn are the main developers, they can tell you all about how the archos firmware was disassembled
22.07.58 #       <LinusN> see the CREDITS file
22.08.03 #       <Hadaka> but I don't think there was any special trick to it
22.08.17 #       <LinusN> no, no special tricks
22.08.33 #       <LinusN> just a disassembler and some persistence
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22.08.43 #       <drink_bleach104> would ne one like to look at the lyra's software? or is rockbox enough work?
22.08.54 #       <LinusN> and remember, we haven't disassembled much of the original firmware
22.09.06 #       <LinusN> just a small fraction
22.09.12 #       <Hadaka> what processor does the Lyra have?
22.09.21 #       <Hadaka> that's the first step, anyway
22.09.39 #       <drink_bleach104> i dont know, i dont suppose its on their website....
22.09.49 #       <LinusN> hehe, i guess not
22.09.55 #       <LinusN> you have to open it up
22.10.01 #       <drink_bleach104> and i dont really want to do that...
22.10.34 #       <Hadaka> drink_bleach104: that is the very first step - if you don't know what the processor is, disassembling is near impossible
22.10.36 #       <drink_bleach104> what would be the step after finding out its processor?
22.10.47 #       <drink_bleach104> ok
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22.12.14 #       <Hadaka> drink_bleach104: well then taking the firmware they have and seeing how edits to it affect the lyra and if you manage to determine the sections from it and if you find any code that's sane in there
22.13.07 #       <drink_bleach104> perhaps i should find someone more determind than me to look at this....
22.13.24 #       <LinusN> drink_bleach104: perhaps
22.13.43 #       <LinusN> i mean, we had to take our players apart to find out how they worked
22.14.04 #       <LinusN> disassembling was only a small part of the reverse enginerring work
22.14.05 #       <drink_bleach104> i would imaging that wasnt easy still
22.14.27 #       <drink_bleach104> *imagine
22.14.33 #       <LinusN> a multimeter, oscilloscope...
22.15.24 #       <drink_bleach104> so how did u determin what the processor was? 
22.16.45 #       <LinusN> a friend of ours recognized the chip markings and the pin count
22.16.56 #       <drink_bleach104> lucky
22.17.02 #       <LinusN> yup
22.18.11 #       <drink_bleach104> life would be so much easier if they just made the firmware all open source...
22.19.06 #       <LinusN> it is a custom mask programmed 7034
22.19.18 #       <drink_bleach104> what does that mean?
22.19.37 #       <LinusN> it means that it has a 4Kbyte ROM memory in it
22.19.52 #       <LinusN> with the boot code specially made for Archos
22.20.01 #       <drink_bleach104> ok..
22.21.08 #       <drink_bleach104> i think i'll stick to playing around with a hexeditor
22.21.53 #       <LinusN> drink_bleach104: can you see if it is acrambled?
22.21.58 #       <LinusN> scrambled
22.22.38 #       <drink_bleach104> do u want me to send u the files? they arnt very big
22.22.57 #       <LinusN> sure, why not?
22.23.00 #       <drink_bleach104> ok
22.23.04 #       <LinusN> linus at haxx.se
22.23.05 #       <drink_bleach104> i'll just zip them up
22.26.32 #       <drink_bleach104> sending now
22.27.47 #       <drink_bleach104> linus: sent
22.30.23 #       <LinusN> got it
22.30.28 #       <drink_bleach104> ok
22.30.49 #       <drink_bleach104> as far as i can tell when the unit boots up it goes for mp3.exe 
22.30.59 #       <Hadaka> .exe??
22.31.07 #       <drink_bleach104> yup
22.31.14 #       <Hadaka> could it have a x86 processor?
22.31.15 #       <drink_bleach104> its just 4 exe files
22.31.56 #       <drink_bleach104> the text in it is unicode (i think)
22.33.05 #       <drink_bleach104> Hadaka: would u like the files?
22.33.54 #       <Hadaka> drink_bleach104: nah, I'm way too busy as it is
22.33.59 #       <drink_bleach104> ok
22.34.01 #       <drink_bleach104> n/p
22.35.32 #       <drink_bleach104> LinusN: anything of interest there?
22.35.34 #       <Hadaka> and I bet linus will come out with some amazing discovery in five minutes :)
22.35.42 #       <drink_bleach104> i hope so :)
22.37.11 #       <LinusN> hehe, i'll have to postpone it until i have bathed my little daughter, brb
22.37.23 #       <drink_bleach104> ok
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23.03.20 #       <elinenbe> LinusN: you here?
23.03.49 #       <LinusN> yup
23.04.37 #       <elinenbe> LinusN: I was just wondering what you were currently working on Roockbox-wise...
23.04.52 #       <drink_bleach> LinusN: those files interesting?
23.04.59 #       <elinenbe> LinusN: I remember you were attempting a queue mode a little while back.
23.05.22 #       <LinusN> drink_bleach: i can't immediately see what cpu it is
23.05.38 #       <LinusN> elinenbe: hardeep is working on that
23.05.46 #       <elinenbe> LinusN: currently?
23.06.05 #       <elinenbe> LinusN: Do you know how his progress is coming?
23.06.34 #       <LinusN> i dunno
23.06.50 #       <drink_bleach> LinusN: ok, i'll leave you to have a play with them, i must be on my way now..
23.07.30 #       <LinusN> drink_bleach: ok
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23.14.15 #       <Hadaka> does uisimulator use stuff from the firmware directory? I guess?
23.14.26 #       <LinusN> yes some of it
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23.16.03 #       <Hadaka> and the gdb directory is only used for the line-in mod as serial port?
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23.21.01 #       <paulheu> Linus: are you in ?
23.21.12 #       <LinusN> i'm here
23.21.18 #       <LinusN> i have looked at your filke
23.21.24 #       <Hadaka> and the gdb directory is only used for the line-in mod as serial port?
23.21.32 #       <LinusN> it seems that it ran into some performance problems
23.21.40 #       <LinusN> Hadaka: yes
23.22.03 #       <paulheu> you mean it's because I recorded at 48?
23.22.10 #       <LinusN> paulheu: i doubt it
23.22.39 #       <LinusN> i mean that the rockbox firmware ran into performance problems
23.22.40 #       <paulheu> Hmm ok but what can I do about it.. last weeks recording was done on a freshly formatted disk.. 
23.22.50 #       <paulheu> and still the same problem after about 27 minutes
23.23.21 #       <LinusN> the file looks like if the firmware had problems keeping up in pace with the MAS
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23.23.38 #       <LinusN> paulheu: so it's about the same amount of time?
23.23.59 #       <paulheu> ok.. I will try at 44 until you can come up with anything.. Strange though I could easily record 80 minute MDs before..
23.24.16 #       <paulheu> yes .. always around 27 minutes
23.24.16 #       <LinusN> paulheu: you mean with earlier rockbox versions?
23.24.37 #       <paulheu> earlier versions allowed 80minute MD recording without probs..
23.24.42 #       <LinusN> paulheu: remember that the MD recordings were S/PDIF
23.24.49 #       <paulheu> nope.. through line-in
23.24.52 #       <LinusN> oh
23.25.11 #       <LinusN> can you remember which firmware was the last that worked?
23.25.31 #       <paulheu> around two weeks ago.. before the new ATA code
23.25.33 #       <LinusN> Hadaka: the Lyra CPU may be a texas instruments DSP
23.25.51 #       <LinusN> paulheu: try to disable ATA poweroff
23.25.57 #       <paulheu> it is
23.26.07 #       <LinusN> oh
23.26.20 #       <Hadaka> LinusN: just a DSP?
23.26.35 #       <LinusN> Hadaka: i dunno
23.26.57 #       <LinusN> i haven't found out anything from the code, i read a press release on the net :-)
23.27.56 #       <Hadaka> hehe :)
23.28.05 #       <paulheu> on a different mode. Do you think Archos can get their hands on the MAS DSP codeset....
23.28.23 #       <paulheu> would be a goo dtrade ;)
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23.30.30 #       <Hadaka> posted the CVSROOT/modules patch to the mailinglist (through gmane, so it can take a few)
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23.32.02 #       <LinusN> paulheu: archos has no right to give it to us, even if they had it
23.32.53 #       <paulheu> shame.. but you can always ask..;) anyway.. I hope you can come up with anything.. I will try recording at 44 next gig to see what happens..
23.34.07 #       <paulheu> Oh.. the funy thing is that the archos plays the file fine.. just any windows plyer/editor chokes..
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23.35.53 #       <LinusN> paulheu: we have asked archos for documentation, but they haven't replied
23.36.19 #       <LinusN> paulheu: i doubt that the file plays fine, it's really corrupted
23.36.38 #       <LinusN> must be lots of sound artifacts
23.37.16 #       <paulheu> on the archos it plays without problems.. I can FF/REV to any place.. but as soon as I load it into WinAmp after 27 minutes it just freezes
23.37.48 #       <paulheu> I am currently playing the file into SoundForge..
23.37.58 #       <LinusN> paulheu: but it must sound strange
23.38.01 #       <paulheu> nope
23.38.34 #       <paulheu> I have not tried the short version yet though.. but it should make no difference..
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23.41.25 #       <LinusN> paulheu: for what i can see in the file, it should sound like sh*t
23.41.58 #       <paulheu> I could call you and let you hear.. I am now playing the section I uploaded at the 26 minute mark
23.42.04 #       <paulheu> and it sounds fine
23.42.26 #       <paulheu> I wa joking about he calling part ;)
23.42.41 #       <LinusN> paulheu: don't trust the time information
23.43.17 #       <LinusN> there is no VBR header
23.44.21 #       <LinusN> i wonder what happens after 30 minutes...
23.44.51 #       <LinusN> or is it a certain file size?
23.46.22 #       <paulheu> I am plyingthe file in winamp now.. sound fine.. it starts to act up at wround 17:55 then quits.. I am scanning for the same fragment on the archos now
23.48.03 #       <paulheu> On the archos I can at least scan past the point where WinAmp fails
23.48.19 #       <paulheu> stil sounds fine
23.49.32 #       <paulheu> at the point where winamp fails, the archos is quiet for a fraction of a second then just continues..
23.49.41 #       <paulheu> and sounds as before
23.50.28 #       <LinusN> strange
23.50.43 #       <paulheu> at least we know the archos is the better player ;)
23.51.02 #       <LinusN> haha
23.51.34 #       <paulheu> do you know of any tools to fix broken mp3s?
23.52.22 #       <LinusN> hmmm
23.52.25 #       <LinusN> vbrfix?
23.52.33 #       <paulheu> hmm indeed ;)
23.53.47 #       <paulheu> I'll be igratin to linux soon.. so linux tools will also be ok..;)
23.55.52 #       <LinusN> hehe, i am writing one (that's the one i am using for my analysis now)
23.56.14 #       <paulheu> VBRfix reports: Change in mpeg version found at frame pos 70729
23.58.34 #       <LinusN> yup, thatäs it