--- Log for 13.12.102 Server: calvino.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16p1 Started: 20 days and 9 hours ago 00.01.00 Join hardeeps [0] (hardeeps@208.247.65.237) 00.12.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.30.18 Join TotMacherr [0] (tot@p508D8C74.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.30.30 Quit tot|away () 00.30.30 Quit TotMacherr (Client Quit) 00.30.36 Join TotMacherr [0] (tot@p508D8C74.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.30.57 # hmh, around 8-9 hours of playtime even with the rockbox.14 00.31.10 # so I have indeed managed to screw up my batteries 00.32.48 Quit TotMacherr (Client Quit) 00.32.53 Join TotMacherr [0] (tot@p508D8C74.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.34.04 # i got 11h 30m today 00.34.13 # including a fair amount of usb work 00.36.01 # yeah - I left the archos unit plugged in via USB overnight, with the travel charger attached, archos flash firmware booted, and MP3's playing over the usb link 00.36.20 # the unit was hot as hell in the morning, and I wouldn't wonder if it had overcharged the batteries 00.36.40 # it might have, yes 00.37.29 # i don't know if batteries are design to withstand that kind of "flow", i.e. simultaneous drain and charge 00.38.13 # so, I'm gonna wait a bit longer, get in the nice charging code you seem to have written - and then do proper testing again with that 00.38.46 # when the batteries are at full, will the archos firmware say so? 00.38.48 # actually it's uwes charging code, but it seems pretty nice anyway 00.38.50 # on the charging screen 00.38.53 # MrSnazz: yes 00.38.57 # cool, thanks 00.39.45 # well "you" as in collaterally the rockbox developers :) 00.40.09 # ah, right 00.42.15 Join USAG33k [0] (~usageek@silverfai.resnet.mtu.edu) 00.42.23 # hello all 00.42.36 # hi 00.43.43 # so like, i got myself a recorder 00.43.51 # a steal at 200 USD with a 40gig 00.43.58 # nice! 00.44.00 # yeah 00.44.10 # wow, nice price 00.44.19 # indeed 00.44.19 # so i throw rockbox on there (as per usual), and playlists don't want to load 00.44.27 # :O 00.44.31 # details, please 00.44.42 # or they seem to, is there something i am missing? 00.44.42 # okay 00.45.04 # i just created my playlist as i usually do, in the root of my mounted recorder i do "ls > playlist.m3u" 00.45.15 # and that dumps the directory listing into a plain text file 00.45.28 # i did this on my player to get around the directory buffer limitation 00.46.01 # tried on my recorder, the harddrive light flickers for about 2 minutes straight then a blank wps 00.46.13 # sounds like it can't find the files 00.46.26 # you sure the paths are ok? 00.46.40 # that's why i do the ls 00.46.49 # it will just dump the file names to text 00.46.50 # yeah I know 00.47.08 # sounds strange 00.47.10 # yeah 00.47.12 # i will fiddle 00.47.21 # just wondering if everything sounded fine on your end 00.47.37 # sure does. playing a 7800 file list right now 00.47.41 # nice 00.47.46 # find . -maxdepth 1 -name "*.mp3" > playlist.m3u 00.47.46 # as long as that's not the issue 00.48.10 # i think i may have found my problem 00.48.28 # i threw it in the .rockbox folder so i could grab it from the initial directory listing 00.48.41 # but that is probably looking for the files within the .rockbox directory and not the root 00.48.45 # heh 00.48.54 # time to test my hypothesis 00.48.54 # yes 00.49.04 # that's right 00.49.09 # you need to either have full paths - or have the files relatively placed correctly 00.50.18 # sounds good 00.50.35 # can you nest playlists in other playlists?? 00.50.49 # stop me if my questions are beyond the scope of this channel 00.51.32 # no, not yet atleast 00.52.50 # sweet, everything is working 00.53.15 # i shall have to check the code 00.53.46 # i'm off to go work on some rockbox games, thanks for the help! keep up the great work! 00.53.57 Quit USAG33k ("Client Exiting") 00.55.32 # tack one up for satisfied "customer" 00.56.25 # hehe 00.58.33 # yay, the athlonmp optimisations in gcc-3.2 makes a substantial difference 00.58.53 # oh? 00.59.20 # standard i386 code: 6.930u 0.430s 0:08.56 85.9% 00.59.34 # athlonmp code: 5.050u 0.410s 0:06.10 89.5% 00.59.39 Quit TotMacherr (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.59.46 # what are you doing? 00.59.50 # that's 25% faster! 00.59.58 # integer cpu operations, mostly 01.00.14 # nods, well nice still 01.00.22 # it's for my apartment swapping site. the loop that matches all the ads. 01.00.46 # lots of numeric compares 01.01.30 # ohh, even useful! 01.01.37 # :-) 01.02.08 # normally the advantages and disadvantages of cpu speeds hardly ever show 01.02.48 # yeah, that's why I was surprised to see such a big difference 01.23.36 Join BoD[] [0] (~BoD@m131.net81-67-41.noos.fr) 01.23.37 # hellow !! 01.23.43 # hi 01.24.00 # how are you 01.24.57 # tired :) 01.25.01 # yeah me too 01.25.12 # as a matter of fact 01.25.17 # i have to go to sleep :)) 01.26.27 # i always stay up too late coding.. 01.26.47 # me I stay up too late doing nothing useful :((( 01.26.58 # like watching tv 01.27.10 # hehe 01.29.05 # anyway :) see you ! buy 01.29.19 Quit BoD[] ("hn down, zoneedit down....... FUCK!!!!!!") 01.34.14 Join myself [0] (myself@80.230.75.186) 01.34.16 # hello 01.35.36 Join Ace_13 [0] (Ace@adsl-66-125-228-242.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) 01.35.58 # anyone around? 01.36.52 # yup 01.37.31 # You have a second im having a VERY odd prob with my archos jukebox studio 10 01.37.45 # shoot 01.37.48 # ok 01.38.18 # It will play find but about every 1-2 songs it just stops.. the only way to fix it is 1 reboot it or 2 hit the middle of the keypad.. 01.39.04 # i find it very odd that hitting the middle keypad would fix it.. 01.39.04 # which version? 01.39.07 # any idieas? 01.39.09 # yeah 01.39.20 # You mean Firmware? 01.39.23 # yes 01.39.33 # well i tryed it 1.4 rockbox and with archos 1.7a 01.39.43 # same thing with both? 01.39.49 # yep 01.40.08 # but with arhcos firmware sometimews it will freeze 01.40.16 # ie have to be rebooted 01.40.43 # sounds like a hardware glitch 01.41.03 # hmm 01.41.12 # can someone please define 'Firmware'? maybe also put it in your faq 01.41.17 # been on hold on archos support for 25 mins now 01.41.34 # myself: firmware is the software running on your archos 01.42.17 # could it be called an OS? who's incharge of it? does it have any documention? 01.43.34 # So Zag you think its hardware related? Think I need a replacement? Also Have you ever callec archos tect support 01.43.47 # Ace_13: yes, yes, no :-) 01.44.05 # lol 01.44.08 # myself: it's not just an operating system. it's an OS and the application rolled into one 01.44.26 # myself: I'm in charge of Rockbox. Archos is in charge of their firmware 01.45.33 # ok zag I guess im going to email them becuase they dont like using the phone apparently 01.45.52 # ok 01.47.11 # zagor, is there any manual for writing modules to firmware? 01.47.56 # myself: no. download the code, read it, ask questions :-) 01.49.02 # yeah was afraid that's the way 01.49.25 # your project looks great but very time consuming to 'get into' 01.50.27 # ppl who just want to program the machine and not go throu rockbox modules will have a hard time 01.51.33 # documenting your findings could be a major step. 01.55.08 Quit Ace_13 ("ircN 7.27 + 7.0 for mIRC (2002/01/10 00.00)") 02.01.05 # myself: 1: it is documented. 2: you can't program the machine without rockbox, unless you want to rewrite all the drivers again... 02.01.21 # grab the code, read the docs included 02.01.33 # don't judge before you look 02.04.22 Quit Zagor ("Client Exiting") 02.07.57 Quit myself () 02.12.29 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.21.25 # Dr. Roy is fat! 02.25.20 Join miaouS [0] (~djo@213.203.116.246) 02.31.08 Quit miaouS ("Brain overflow") 02.50.04 Part LinusN|away 03.02.46 # if 'myself' doesn't even know what firmware is, he probably isn't in a position to be criticizing... 03.21.07 Quit mecraw_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.50.33 # "myself" sucks 04.04.25 Nick _seb_ is now known as seb-away (trilluser@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 04.12.31 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.25.07 Join BOBOrat [0] (~none@ca-thoaks-docsis-cmtsb-b-113.vnnyca.adelphia.net) 04.25.23 # rockbox is great 04.33.39 Quit ken0 (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 04.33.47 Part BOBOrat 05.06.27 Join [keno] [0] (~marklar2@80.178.32.251) 05.16.57 Join Artine [0] (~Artine@gso163-11-242.triad.rr.com) 05.19.01 Quit Artine (Client Quit) 05.21.13 Join Artine [0] (~Artine@gso163-11-242.triad.rr.com) 05.26.39 Quit hardeeps ("Killed by Cap (Requested by panasync)") 06.12.35 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.42.39 # omg 06.44.15 # i placed an order at buy.com for the jukebox, and it took forever to go through 06.44.25 # so i placed one at gateway...for a little cheaper 06.44.38 # then went back to cancel my buy.com one...except by then it had started shipping 06.45.05 # lol 06.45.08 # that sucks ;) 06.57.59 # Okay, so I'm tracing the code, trying to find the stuff that displays the file listings, but I can't for the life of me find where dircache gets populated... Any pointers? 07.06.19 Join hardeep [0] (hardeeps@208.247.65.237) 07.24.19 # bryant what size and how much? 07.26.31 # artine where are you getting lost? 07.37.13 Quit Artine (Remote closed the connection) 07.42.42 # you there? 07.42.50 # it's the jukebox recorder 20 07.42.57 # for 234 i think 07.43.44 # then a $50 rebate 07.48.33 # that the one you are keeping or the extra one? 07.48.39 # is that the extra one? 07.49.34 # that is the one i will keep 07.49.34 # actually 07.49.38 # here's my ordeal 07.49.48 # i'm in college now...and i want this before i go back home 07.49.51 # i go back home next sunday 07.50.25 # now, gateway might not get it to me by then, it should ship tomorrow though 07.51.21 # so ... i'm not sure if i should try to get the buy.com one or the gateway one 07.52.31 # also...i hope that the date for the rebate is the date the order was placed...and not when it was billed/shipped 08.08.07 # no.. its always when it was ordered... 08.08.12 # no worries there 08.08.18 # k good 08.08.18 # thanks 08.08.19 # now... your saying your going to have an extra one? 08.08.26 # no 08.08.27 # hopefully not 08.08.29 # do you want one? 08.08.36 # i have one.. 08.09.05 # but if you are willing to take a little hit on the price, (Assumeing you can't return one unit) i may be able to see if one of my coworkers wants it 08.09.16 # oh ok 08.09.23 # or worst case... 08.09.27 # ill buy your's... 08.09.31 # and sell mine.. 08.09.32 # i will know tomorrow whether i have that problem 08.09.34 # mine is a bit flakey 08.09.36 # which one do you have? 08.09.42 # recorder 20 gig 08.09.53 # that's the same one 08.09.56 # nods 08.10.02 # let me know.. . 08.10.14 # going with the assumption that you do get 2 08.10.21 # are you going to try and return one? or sell it? 08.11.03 # lol 08.11.13 # if i get 2, i would probably try to return it 08.11.19 # unless i can get more for it 08.11.36 # well you could take a shot at ebay 08.11.44 # but you'd prob be better off returning it 08.11.44 # eh 08.11.46 # if you can 08.11.48 # yeah 08.11.55 # remember...i am a college student 08.12.01 # and this is a serious purchase for me 08.12.15 # but i plan on using it like...10 hours some days 08.12.37 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.12.58 # nods 08.13.04 # i know.. thats why im offering :) 08.13.54 # k i'll keep it in mind 08.14.01 # are any of you students? 08.14.39 # i was ;) 08.14.41 # not any more 08.14.44 # where do you go? 08.14.52 # university of illinois 08.14.54 # in champaign 08.14.57 # urbana-champaign 08.15.50 # im sorry to hear that :( 08.15.54 # nothing personal.. 08.16.02 # i have a grevance against that school 08.16.14 # oh why? 08.16.14 # well.. most of illinois at this point :) 08.16.20 # i must hear this now 08.16.26 # has to do with an ex-gf 08.16.32 # ohhh 08.16.35 # lol..ok... 08.16.38 # where did you go? 08.16.45 # small school in NJ 08.16.50 # Ramapo College 08.17.03 # 6000 students or so 08.17.42 # i was worried that you had some beef with like...UIUC's education quality or administration or something 08.18.18 # nah 08.18.31 # historically it has a good cs program if thats why you are there.. 08.18.38 # haha no 08.18.42 # most of it is just my own mental problems 08.18.42 # oh god no 08.18.56 # i can't stand computer science 08.19.05 # long, draining, "let's hide the whore's body" kinda story :) 08.19.06 # i like hardware things...so ECE would be ok or EE 08.19.10 # lol 08.19.13 # im sorry aagain ;) 08.19.17 # give me software 08.19.30 # you like software? 08.19.40 # i like to play with it, but not to program it 08.20.07 # nods 08.20.16 # i like the control of it... 08.20.23 # same reason i loved playwrighting :) 08.20.28 # ah 08.21.07 # ok...so since i don't have the player yet 08.21.18 # perhaps you can fill me in on what's wrong with the original firmware 08.21.19 # yeah? 08.21.23 # and why rockboxx is better 08.21.33 # well.. i can give you my opinions 08.21.39 # have you seen the comparison table yet? 08.22.10 # no 08.22.12 # where is this? 08.23.18 # http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/features.html 08.23.25 # take a look at that first 08.26.04 # how much longer is the battery lifetime? 08.26.32 # wow...this list is impressive 08.28.19 # man...how do you get longer battery lifetime without being able to charge it 100% full? 08.28.20 # :) 08.28.29 # battery life depends on what you do and how you use the unit 08.28.35 # the more spin ups, less the life 08.28.53 # well. we spin up less often that archos does 08.29.01 # we manage power differently 08.29.09 # spin up? 08.32.35 # nods 08.32.53 # if the unit is not doing anything and you need to do something.. it causes the drive to spin up 08.33.13 # ah...that's what i thought 08.33.13 # ie: when a song is playing most of it is in memory, you come to the end of a song, and you spin up to read more data from the drive 08.33.44 # is that how you adjust for gapless track changes? 08.35.40 Join Bagder [241] (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) 08.36.02 # hi 08.37.51 # hey 08.37.56 # do you have a jukebox? 08.38.05 # I do 08.38.35 # you've had one for a while 08.38.37 # ? 08.38.41 # yes 08.38.44 # i've got one in the mail...coming soon 08.38.48 # so i'm excited 08.38.56 # what model? 08.39.02 # recorder 20 08.39.08 # that's what I have 08.39.11 # it's a cool piece 08.39.12 # cool 08.39.17 # it seems to be what most you guys have 08.39.20 # yes 08.39.27 # better sound, better display etc 08.40.09 # you use rockboxx then right? 08.40.15 # oh yes 08.40.19 # since the first day it worked 08.40.29 # is the automatic volume control user set? 08.40.29 # I bought my archos because of this 08.40.31 # like...can i turn it off? 08.40.35 # ahhh 08.40.37 # yes, its an option 08.40.46 # I personally don't use it 08.40.56 # wait...so rockbox changes the entire interface? 08.41.04 # yes 08.41.08 # that's amazing 08.41.10 # it's a complete and full replacement 08.41.18 # creative doesn't allow adjustable firmware do they? 08.41.21 # nope 08.41.32 # dude...it's like a mini computer... 08.41.35 # i'm so excited 08.41.38 # well, Archos doesn't "allow" it either, but people circumvented their efforts 08.42.02 # oh i think they allow it now...on some of the retailer's sites, they advertise adjustable firmware 08.42.41 # ok 08.42.57 # you mean Archos? 08.43.04 # they do offer upgrades yes 08.43.19 # oh hmm 08.43.31 # hehe, oh well, maybe they don't support 3rd party updates 08.43.34 # but they scramble the files to make it hard to write your own 08.43.46 # i don't see why 08.43.56 # me neither 08.44.00 # like...people like to customize...and if you give them that option, it sells 08.45.53 # ill never understand.. ppl won't buy a car that is hermetically sealed but they do it with software 08.45.57 # * adi|home shakes his head 08.47.14 # oh well, thank god for hackers 08.50.56 Nick dw|gone is now known as dwihno (dwihno@Bald067.Baldakinen.Umea.SE) 08.51.03 Nick dwihno is now known as JulDwihno (dwihno@Bald067.Baldakinen.Umea.SE) 08.51.05 # Ho ho ho! 08.51.16 # "file delete and rename" NO 08.51.22 # what does this mean? 08.51.26 # I see a whole bunch of CVS commits! :D 08.51.39 # Bryant: that we don't have support for that added in rockbox yet 08.52.37 # you mean i can't delete a file that i've written to it? 08.52.44 # not in rockbox no 08.52.50 # but you can if you go to the archos firmware 08.52.58 # or if you mount your player from your machine 08.53.04 # I always do things like that when connected to usb anyway 08.53.05 # can i switch between firmware JUSt to do that?? 08.53.21 # Bryant: yes, you can always switch fm 08.53.36 # Ohhh...no i thought you meant that you simply can never delete 08.53.36 # from rockbox => whatever but not from archos to rockbox 08.53.42 # rockbox -> archos is okay 08.53.44 # right 08.53.44 # God lucia, Bagder :) 08.53.47 # laundry.. brb 08.53.53 # (or whatever you say this splendid day= 08.54.02 # JulDwihno: uh, right I forgot 08.54.55 # Bagder: You haven't had any lucia-trains yet? :) 08.55.08 # I doubt any will come home to me ;-) 08.55.40 # :-( 08.55.42 # Poor you! 08.56.12 # but I have a bunch of lussebullar! ;-) 08.57.33 # :D 08.57.40 # That's a good start 08.57.46 # * JulDwihno is gonna check bi-dir scrolly 09.01.45 # neato 09.02.31 # ok guys i gotta sleep 09.02.37 # thanks for the info 09.02.42 Nick Bryant is now known as Bryant|sleep (twogluon@it-vlan-2-77.flexabit.net) 09.04.03 Join langhaarrocker [0] (~Phil@212-204-018-097.dsl1.versanet.de) 09.25.50 Join TotMacher [0] (tot@ip67.rsidus.riege.de) 09.33.45 # good morning 09.33.52 # g��hn 09.33.52 # morning 09.34.40 # oh, please, another 15 minutes. 09.34.40 # * langhaarrocker is turning over the pillow 09.35.51 # irc is distracting you, turn it off :) 09.38.21 # bbl 09.38.24 Quit Bagder ("http://daniel.haxx.se") 10.09.42 Join pyvasene [0] (~pyvasene@62.4.7.201) 10.12.41 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.25.01 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 10.39.55 # doh, no more space in rtc ram 10.42.58 # hardeep: yup 10.43.14 # bad luck 10.44.33 # i need 4 bytes to save the queue index, guess it goes on disk. :) 10.44.51 # Maybe we should move other things to disk - like the peak meter settings. 10.45.18 # langhaarrocker: can we omit/shrink some peak meter settings? 10.46.01 # Some bytes already have double uses 10.46.27 # ic 10.47.41 # hardeep: any progress with the queue? 10.48.25 # LinusN: almost done, only resume support left which i'm testing 10.48.34 # then some code cleanups and should be good 10.48.36 # c0000000l 10.48.50 # was it tricky? 10.48.56 # however, there is one open issue: 10.49.14 # as soon as a queued song is finished, i remove it from the queue 10.49.24 # and? 10.49.45 # so previous doesn't take you to that song 10.50.10 # i don't know if that's what a user would expect 10.50.44 # i do 10.51.14 # which way? should prev take you to the queued song or the previous song in the playlist? 10.51.37 # i see the queue as a kind of "overlayed", temporary queue 10.52.02 # "i want to play the playlist, but please play this song in between" 10.52.11 # is it one song queuqe? if it's multisong I'd expect it to go back to the queued songs 10.52.32 # lanhaarrocker: it's queueing into a playlist 10.52.48 # LinusN: yeah, that's what I thought of it as well and that's how I implemented 10.52.57 # hardeep: describe the behaviour of your queue 10.53.42 # Okay, playlist contains 1 2 3 4 with song 2 currently playing 10.53.46 # I can imagine two queue modes, hardeep/linus style and the Django/Jukebox style 10.53.54 # queue 100 101 102 10.54.08 # the playlist order is now 1 2 100 101 102 3 4 10.54.30 # after song 100 finishes playing playlist order is 1 2 101 102 3 4 10.54.33 # etc. 10.54.56 # hardeep: exactly my thought 10.55.31 # Django style would be 1 2 3 4 100 101 102 10.56.05 # Then I don't line Django style. 10.56.31 # that's not too difficult to do either (elinenbe also proposed this and it makes sense)... insert vs. append 10.56.42 # but the queue would still be temporary 10.56.44 # Especially with a jukebox where you tend to have HUGE playlists this Django style is rather pointless 10.56.50 # I like Django style for "live" playlist building, like a "party mode" 10.56.56 # :D 10.56.57 # PARTY MODE 10.56.59 # :-D 10.57.36 # the original Django style always starts from scratch 10.58.05 # and Django and hardeep style combined would be a killer 10.58.05 # Than that would be two different animals to me: building playlists and queueing 10.58.46 # langhaarrocker: well, django style can still be queueing 10.59.05 # langhaarrocker: but i do agree we need to distinguish queueing from playlist building 10.59.26 # essentially temporary vs. permanent 10.59.37 # smells like a load of options in the menues 10.59.52 # well, it can be done through key commands while browsing 11.00.36 # btw, if anyone's interested in what i've done so far, all changes except for resume can be found at: http://hardeeps.freeshell.org/queue_function_3.diff 11.00.48 # that's a superior approach. 11.00.48 # I do not volunteer to write the manual :) 11.00.48 # i also put a recorder binary at: http://hardeeps.freeshell.org/ajbrec.ajz 11.02.12 # hehe, i'm not much of a manual guy either. :) 11.02.36 # ot: can anybody recommend a free service for setting up a mailing list? 11.04.06 # hmmmm, aren't the yahoo lists free? 11.05.04 # * langhaarrocker investiagates 11.35.55 # hardeep: how about dirplay? 11.37.09 # LinusN: i make no assumptions on how the original playlist was created so this works fine with dirplay as well as playlist files 11.38.15 # hardeep: using a file is cheating :-) 11.38.33 # hehe, it's my poor man's playlist creator! 11.38.54 # hardeep: but it's good, then you can borrow the code for real playlist generation later on 11.39.35 #