--- Log for 15.12.102 Server: calvino.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16p1 Started: 22 days and 9 hours ago 00.01.59 Join breaker [0] (~mail@isdn216-61.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 00.02.13 # (back again) 00.03.16 Nick breaker is now known as breaker1 (~mail@isdn216-61.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 00.05.48 # I'll add start charging if battery level < BATTERY_LEVEL_DANGEROUS in powermgmt.c power_init. Is this ok? 00.06.47 # Arr. This code would never be called.. The charger is not connected. 00.07.18 # General question: Is it possible to have a startup of rockbox and the charger is connected? I'd say no. 00.09.10 # i'd say yes 00.09.39 # i start rockbox with the charger connected because i want to charge with rockbox explicitly 00.12.13 Join pwagland [0] (~ddd@igloo.xs4all.nl) 00.13.29 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.14.38 # That would be a special case. You must press "ON" and then immediately plug in the charger. OK, if you know that rockbox works this way, it's no problem. 00.15.27 # If you don't know, you plug in the charger before starting the device (and Archos firmware starts) or you already started the AJB (with rockbox) and the connect the charger. 00.16.50 # breaker1: no 00.16.56 # Why? 00.17.17 # i plug in the charger, archos firmware starts 00.17.24 # ok. Then? 00.17.26 # then i hold ON until rockbox starts 00.17.32 # Hm? 00.17.41 # How does that work? 00.17.44 # you hold ON for a few seconds 00.17.57 # Cool feature. Since when this is implemented?? 00.17.59 # the archos charger code reads the keys 00.18.07 # breaker1: ask archos 00.18.17 # Aha. I didn't know that this works. 00.18.31 # Hi all, sorry for the (probably) obvious question... but does the rockbox firmware work on the archos multimedia? The web page implies that it doesn't, or at the very least that it has not been tested. Can anyone elaborate for me? 00.18.46 # pwagland: No. 00.19.16 # Other hardware inside the multimedia. 00.19.32 # breaker1: Aah. Thanks, this is what I was afraid of.... 00.20.51 # LinusN: But when Archos firmware already runs (and charged the batteries at least one minute), it should be enough for running rockbox one minute till the charger goes on, or not? 00.22.51 # breaker1: yes, but the user doesn't know 00.22.59 # :) 00.23.21 # if he starts playing music immediately, the unit will behave erratically 00.23.27 # i've seen it 00.23.35 # I tested pressing ON when Archos firmware runs (and charged my batteries): It doen't load rockbox! 00.23.45 # Recorder 20, 1.28. 00.24.08 # breaker1: not the firmware, the charger code that starts when you plug in the charger when the unit is off 00.24.12 # The drive led (red) flashes and then it only starts loading the Archos firmware again! 00.24.21 # breaker1: hold it longer 00.24.29 # Oh, that's other code? OK. ;) 00.24.37 # How long? 00.25.30 # until you are sure that it will start rockbox :-) 00.25.54 # Oh, wow. That's amusing. I think a thing for the best tip of the year or something like that. :) 00.26.00 # :-) 00.26.36 # Do you have an idea how many people know this? I think < 5 of the rockboxers.. 00.27.24 # breaker1: lots of people do, actually 00.27.33 # as far as i know 00.27.48 Join probonic [0] (~phil@host217-39-18-2.in-addr.btopenworld.com) 00.27.51 # Really? I think it's a good tip for the faq. 00.29.53 # Should I add it to the faq? Or where's the best place in the docs? 00.30.03 # put it in the faq 00.30.19 # OK. I'll do so later. 00.30.31 # Back again to the "start charging immediately". 00.30.31 # "i can't start rockbox when the charger is connected" 00.30.42 # (OK) 00.30.44 # anyone know if r2l is implemented in the current cvs? 00.31.08 # r2l? I know r2d2. 00.31.14 # what is r2l 00.31.43 # rigth to left text, for hebrew/arabic 00.31.49 # right 00.31.59 # aha, no it isn't 00.35.03 # hhmm 00.40.21 # LinusN: What exactly does happen when the charger is connected and the user starts rockbox? What's the problem? 00.41.09 # it will not start charging until after at least 1 minute 00.41.42 Join diddystar5 [0] (LeePilgrim@AC9C35EB.ipt.aol.com) 00.41.52 # that means i have to charge using archos firmware for at least a few minutes before i can start rockbox, or it will die on me 00.41.55 # hey Linus 00.43.05 # hi 00.44.35 # Linus: i ain't no c developer, but, if i compile the files under UISIMULATOR, will the simulator work? 00.45.19 # read docs/README 00.45.32 # Is it ok if I add start charging in power_init if battery level < BATTERY_LEVEL_DANGEROUS? 00.45.59 # It should be enough not to crash anymore with "empty" batteries. 00.46.01 # o thanks linus 00.46.21 # breaker1: that would be just fine 00.46.33 # just so it survives the first minute 00.46.48 # In normal cases, I think it's better to wait one minute, because we have better voltage values then -> better max duration value and so on. 00.47.14 # (normal case: battery level => BATTERY_LEVEL_DANGEROUS) 00.47.53 # Quote from readme uisimu:For the Win32 simulator: 00.47.55 # No info yet. 00.48.44 # diddystar5: i have never built the win32 sim 00.48.50 # only the linux sim 00.49.15 # ok, ill try to expirement with it 00.58.05 Part LinusN 00.58.48 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 01.02.45 # breaker1: regarding earlier question (about the Archos multimedia) how different is the hardware? I am thinking of buying one, and would think it cool if this firmware could be made to work with it. Is it totally different, or just different enough that rockbox does not work? 01.02.45 Quit diddystar5 ("bye!") 01.03.19 # the cpu is different AFAIK 01.03.31 # which means a world of difference 01.03.34 # pwagland: it's a totally different beast 01.03.53 # and that's all assuming that a custom firmware is even possible on that thing 01.04.02 # (that they haven't done any heavier scrambling there) 01.04.08 # i believe it has an ARM CPU and a Texas Instruments DSP 01.04.33 # and i'm not sure I want to develop a totally new firmware for it 01.04.54 # we would probably have to implement video codecs and stuff 01.05.54 # thanks 01.06.10 # Disapointing though... :-) 01.06.48 # To be honest, for me I don't care about the video... I really want it for the USB 2.0, and the compact flash reader. 01.07.17 # Sound (and no I'm not mentioning ogg ;-)) would be a real bonus as well... 01.07.38 # pwagland: the thing is that Rockbox exists because we felt that the firmware sucked, and we thought it would be fun to hack the archos 01.07.48 # it turned out to be a fun experience 01.08.14 # doing it all over again won't be as much fun as the first time 01.08.24 # and i don't even own a Multimedia 01.08.26 # that's a fair comment :-) 01.09.13 # pwagland: i think the mp3 decoding is done by a MAS chip in the multimedia too 01.09.49 # so i don't know what the DSP is capable of 01.10.18 # if it can generate audio, the Ogg may be possible 01.10.35 # the data sheets to the DSP are not publically available 01.14.32 # pwagland: you do know that recorder 20 has USB 2.0 (no compact flash ofcourse) 01.15.48 # LinusN: I added the turn-on-charging-immediately. But I make one charging cycle before I add the code to cvs "tomorrow". 01.16.39 # Did you add the RTC/config block stuff? 01.17.59 # not yet, coming up 01.19.03 # Do you add it in the next minutes (so I can test it before I go to bed)? 01.20.34 # sure, hang on 01.24.15 Join miah [0] (13837-iden@pihkal.com) 01.24.17 # hey guys 01.25.39 # just got my gf a recorder 20 for christmas, and i dunno if its working properly. the batteries are in serious need of a charge, but i've got the unit plugged in and when i try to power up, it gets to 3 bars in the startup, makes a clicking noise (sounds like the hdd) and the lcd light flickers at this time, and it just sits there, it will do the clicking sound again randomly.. think i just need to charge more before starting it, or think the disk has a probl 01.26.02 # sounds like battery problems 01.26.11 # ok 01.26.31 # i figured because i had the units ac adapter hooked up it would be ok 01.27.03 # You charged the batteries some hours before trying to start booting? 01.27.13 # no 01.27.15 # well, yes 01.27.22 # i had charged these batteries like 2 days ago 01.27.25 # miah: never run it until you have completed a first charge 01.27.27 # on my external AA charger 01.27.35 # ok 01.27.38 # so i figured the batteries would be charged enough 01.27.55 # but when i tried to power it up, it didnt work, and i tried the batteries in my studio and they didnt work 01.28.04 # miah: where did the atteries come from? 01.28.14 # so they definately need recharging.. i must have put them on the charger more than 2days ago.. been a busy week so i cant remember 01.28.39 # is it a fast charger? 01.28.47 # ah, well im charging it with the archos batteries now, but i have some rayovac nimh rechargable AA's 01.29.00 # nah, its a slow charge, takes a couple hours 01.29.17 # you may have killed the batteries if you left them in the charger too long 01.29.20 # ah 01.29.30 # those slow chargers are not always to trust 01.29.35 # yea 01.29.41 # its a rayovac slow charger too 01.30.15 # I recommend that you try four batteries of the same brand/age and charge them some hours in the archos. Then booting up should work. 01.30.18 # the hard drive clicking sound is evidence of a broken battery cell 01.30.44 # ok 01.30.57 # breaker1: yea, we're charging now, she's just anxious to put mp3's on it =) 01.31.11 # for the past 3 years she's been carrying 50+ cd's in her backpack 01.31.26 # when i pickup her backpack i usually make a 'unf' sound 01.32.05 # ok so you bought the recorder to save your back 01.32.10 # hah 01.32.13 # selfish bastard! :-) 01.32.32 # thankfully i rarely have to pickup her backpack 01.32.33 Quit wtrt ("I like core dumps") 01.32.45 # i still have a studio6, so im jealous =) 01.33.43 # she wanted a ipod, but i've loved my studio.. plus the ipods are way too expensive 01.39.57 Join ken0 [0] (marklar2@80.178.32.101) 01.48.28 Quit [keno] (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 01.49.09 Quit ken0 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.51.26 Join ken0 [0] (marklar2@80.178.32.101) 01.58.32 Join ken0_ [0] (marklar2@80.178.33.78) 01.58.32 Quit ken0 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.02.43 Join ken0 [0] (marklar2@80.178.32.195) 02.08.16 Quit NiarkY ("leaving by all :)") 02.08.16 Quit ken0 (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.08.29 Join ken0 [0] (marklar2@80.178.32.121) 02.08.53 Quit probonic () 02.11.00 Quit edx ("good nite") 02.13.33 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.13.58 Join merwin [0] (none@3Cust46.tnt18.tpa2.da.uu.net) 02.14.04 Quit ken0 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.20.59 Quit ken0_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.23.14 # LinusN? Are you still there? 02.25.42 # yup 02.25.56 # LinusN: shouldn't you be asleep? 02.26.02 Join ken0 [0] (marklar2@80.178.32.35) 02.26.21 # merwin: maybe... 02.26.21 # I waited if you add the battery capacity thing.. 02.26.35 # breaker1: ah, i thought you meant the tricle 02.27.01 # LinusN: finally traded in my old player for the recorder... free upgrade courtesy of the fine american company Best Buy :-) The contrast was waaaaay too high when I turned it on first... almost unreadable. 02.27.42 # Hm, both. :) 02.27.48 # merwin: with the original firmware? 02.27.54 # LinusN: rockbox 02.29.10 # LinusN: it was good enough for me to to slowly get to the place to change it, but barely. I wonder how archos handles contrast? why it's always correct.. 02.29.24 # My display is also too dark with the default setting. Above 30 is too dark, 40 is almost black, my default is 26. (Recoder20) 02.30.27 # breaker1: heh, mine is 26 also :-) 02.31.23 Quit ken0 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.31.51 Join ken0 [0] (marklar2@80.178.32.67) 02.32.03 # Good night. I'm really going to bed now. Bye. 02.32.07 # i too wonder how archos handles it 02.32.14 Quit breaker1 () 02.32.23 # i think the displays differ between hardware versions 02.36.13 Part LinusN 02.36.14 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 02.37.48 Join ken0_ [0] (~marklar2@80.178.32.21) 02.39.24 Quit ken0 (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.39.32 Part LinusN 02.39.34 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 02.43.21 Join ken0 [0] (~marklar2@80.178.32.50) 02.43.21 Quit ken0_ (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.48.17 # LinusN: They probably have a huge table of hardware versions and contrast levels :) 02.49.25 # hehe 02.49.30 # at least two 02.50.17 Join ken0_ [0] (~marklar2@80.178.32.50) 02.50.29 Quit ken0 (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.54.02 Quit merwin () 02.56.08 Join ken0 [0] (~marklar2@80.178.32.16) 02.57.14 Quit ken0_ (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.59.32 # time to sleep 02.59.34 # night 03.00.34 Part LinusN 03.01.27 Join ken0_ [0] (~marklar2@80.178.32.33) 03.02.38 Join ken0__ [0] (~marklar2@80.178.32.33) 03.02.56 Quit ken0_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.19.13 Quit ken0 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.19.16 Quit ken0__ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.13.34 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.27.10 Join [keno] [0] (~marklar2@80.178.32.85) 04.48.56 Quit [keno] (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.57.18 Join merwin [0] (none@3Cust1.tnt18.tpa2.da.uu.net) 05.05.18 Quit merwin () 05.23.04 Join ken0 [0] (marklar2@80.178.32.105) 05.24.57 Join merwin [0] (none@3Cust1.tnt18.tpa2.da.uu.net) 05.25.02 # yoyoyo 05.47.21 Quit merwin () 05.57.53 Join merwin [0] (none@1Cust161.tnt18.tpa2.da.uu.net) 05.58.03 # hm... how do you start a new recording session? 06.06.08 # nobody's ever around here until late :) 06.11.19 # forgot about that funny little play button :-) 06.13.37 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.26.39 Quit merwin () 06.52.03 Join hardeep [0] (hardeeps@208.247.65.237) 08.13.40 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.28.46 Quit AcathIa (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 09.37.57 Join AcathIa [0] (~Acathla@APastourelles-107-1-14-222.abo.wanadoo.fr) 10.05.42 Join Mine78 [0] (Pozzolo@host168-82.pool80116.interbusiness.it) 10.06.32 # in the TODO dir there is "loadable plugin"... used for what ? 10.09.07 Quit Mine78 (Client Quit) 10.11.36 Join m_neshue [0] (specfjei@as1-3-1.glk.ks.bonet.se) 10.11.45 # hi 10.11.51 # empty channel? 10.13.43 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.18.33 # obviously 10.18.42 Part m_neshue 11.14.36 Quit TotMacherr () 11.20.46 Join NiarkY [0] (~jeromeb@zarniwoop.niark.net) 11.46.12 Nick AcathIa is now known as LaPolice (~Acathla@APastourelles-107-1-14-222.abo.wanadoo.fr) 11.46.37 Part LaPolice ("Client Exiting") 12.07.21 Join edx [0] (~edx@pD9EA955F.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.13.44 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.51.00 Join breaker1 [0] (~mail@isdn216-189.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 12.51.16 Nick breaker1 is now known as breaker (~mail@isdn216-189.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 13.17.29 Join thebreaker [0] (~mail@isdn216-89.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 13.33.26 Quit breaker (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.52.38 Quit thebreaker (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.13.47 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.08.05 Quit edx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.17.17 Join probonic [0] (~phil@host217-39-18-2.in-addr.btopenworld.com) 15.29.57 Join breaker [0] (~mail@isdn216-33.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 15.30.01 Join edx [0] (~edx@pD9EAA061.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.45.46 Join ken0_ [0] (marklar2@80.178.32.105) 15.45.46 Quit ken0 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.56.06 Quit NiarkY (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.00.26 Quit probonic () 16.04.29 Quit breaker (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.13.49 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.54.41 Join oZ [0] (ewrwe@ip3e83eb98.speed.planet.nl) 17.19.45 Join breaker [0] (~mail@isdn216-239.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 18.13.50 *** No seen item changed, no save performed. 18.14.23 Join nico13 [0] (~nico@s034.dhcp212-198-229.noos.fr) 18.14.23 Quit breaker (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.14.24 Join breaker [0] (~mail@isdn216-230.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 18.14.33 # hi 18.14.53 # hi 18.16.13 # I looked at the FAQ, but I was unable to find anything about the jukebox fm recorder. it's factory firmware is such a piece of crap (freezes, do not want to power on or off...) that even if I can't enjoy radio I'd like to try rockbox firmware. is it possible? 18.18.03 # the FAQ does have an answer to that 18.18.23 # Hadaka: sorry then; i'll check again right now 18.18.55 # Hadaka: ok, I've seen. too bad 18.19.28 # nico13: if people with fm recorders help, it might be possible though 18.19.39 # Hadaka: do you think it will be possible in a (near) future? 18.20.02 # Hadaka: I can't code, but i'm ready to make as much testing as needed... 18.20.11 # well it's hard to say - none of the developers have an FM recorder - the changes they have made on it may be trivial - or they may be hard to overcome 18.20.37 # in any case, they have changed the scrambling on the firmware, so that's the first hurdle to overcome 18.20.56 # friends with players using rockbox told me it was far better than original firmware, so I guess I want it too ;) 18.21.55 # Hadaka: is there a way to check for hardware changes by software (I mean without opening it?) 18.22.23 # somewhat yes - but that's only if you are able to put a new firmware on it 18.22.42 # but like mentioned, the firmware scrambling has changed - so that's the first problem 18.22.51 # Hadaka: ??? you mean an existing firmware? 18.23.06 # ah, ok. 18.23.12 # didn't catch first time 18.23.50 # when the firmware is stored on the disk - where it gets loaded from 18.23.59 # it is in scrambled form 18.24.07 # on other archos models, the scrambling was a very trivial one 18.24.11 # and easily decoded 18.24.20 # but on the fm recorder, the scrambling is different 18.24.21 # I understand 18.24.34 # and it's not yet known if it's another trivial one or something much harder to overcome 18.25.14 Quit Jet8810 ("Client Exiting") 18.25.17 # anyway, I would expect that for any reasonable support for that device one of the rockbox developers would have to own that device and take it apart to study it's internals once again 18.25.18 Join Jet8810 [0] (~Josh@adsl-153-120-221.mia.bellsouth.net) 18.25.20 Join Josh_ [0] (~Josh@adsl-153-120-221.mia.bellsouth.net) 18.25.35 # actually I'm _really_ upset with archos' one... it's barely usable 18.25.50 # that's sad to hear :( 18.26.11 # yep, and even more sad when you paid 450 euros for that 18.26.43 # I got a recorder 20 just before they started making FM recorders - and have been very happy with it 18.26.57 # never a freeze? 18.27.16 # well the archos firmware froze every now and then - but it was pretty usable even still 18.27.26 # ofcourse rockbox works like a dream, no problems 18.28.04 # does archos freeze only during some specific operation, or at anytime? 18.28.26 # because mine freezes during a song, you don't know why... 18.28.36 # well it did that every now and then - some MP3's were bad for it - some other stuff was as well - but mostly it was random 18.28.49 # have you tried seeing if that song is broken? 18.29.06 # well, maybe should I have bought an ipod... 18.29.08 # many players just ignore errors, the MAS chip is stricter in what it accepts 18.29.46 # I don't think I would have been happy with an iPod - Recorder 20 has everything I need 18.34.04 # Hadaka: yep, me too, but i'm so disappointed with it... 18.34.14 # i'll check if the song is broken 18.36.31 Join drink_bleach104 [0] (drr104@modem-95-19-60-62.vip.uk.com) 18.36.39 Quit drink_bleach104 (Client Quit) 19.11.36 Quit Jet8810 ("Client Exiting") 19.14.31 Quit nico13 ("leaving") 19.34.26 # speaking of errors, I have a particular track which caused my old Rio Volt SP100 to bomb. Quite amusing. ;) 19.47.13 # i've noticed that winamp sometimes doesn't play tracks with very long filenames, or ornate directory paths 19.47.18 Quit pwagland () 19.47.19 # maybe it's the same reason 19.48.22 # this one has a smallish filename, plays in winamp but there is an audible error in winamp when it hit sthe spot which crashes the Rio 19.48.49 # I havn'd tried it on the JBR20 yet, but I'd imagine with the mas chip being picky it probably won't go well ;) 19.49.40 # ahh 19.49.46 # k i'm out to lunch. 19.49.47 # later 19.49.50 # later 20.06.13 Join TotMacherr [0] (tot@pD9E2161D.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.06.14 Quit oZ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.06.57 Join oZ [0] (ewrwe@ip3e83eb98.speed.planet.nl) 20.13.54 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.44.16 Join NiarkY [0] (~jeromeb@zarniwoop.niark.net) 20.47.41 Join yold [0] (~yold@paisiblement.org) 20.47.45 # :) 20.52.49 Part yold ("Client Exiting") 20.59.48 Join probonic [0] (~phil@host217-39-18-2.in-addr.btopenworld.com) 21.22.52 Join nazeman [0] ([2Z6Lx9VEQ@29.173.3.213.dial.bluewin.ch) 21.23.12 # bonsoir 21.25.59 # soir 21.40.59 # quelqu'un parle t'il le français ? si oui j'aurai une petite question sur rockbox 21.41.07 # oui 21.42.21 # c quoi ta question ? 21.42.43 # Super, J'ai lu les maillinglist que le support (enfin peut-etre) du FM/archos ne viendrai jamais ? 21.43.17 # ha la ya que les dvp qui peuvent le dir 21.43.33 # mais le matos et po pareille donc c possible 21.43.46 # helas 21.43.59 # T'es pa un DVP ? 21.44.03 # nop 21.44.17 # un utilisateur 21.44.30 # le firmware original c'est une catastrophe c'est tres buggé 21.44.44 # sur le FM ? 21.44.49 # wi 21.45.11 # ha, g un JBMM et c po top aussi mais ca vas encor 21.45.28 # JBMM ?? 21.45.34 # multimedia 21.45.57 # le mien il a de la peine au démarrage chez toi aussi 21.46.06 # il démarre pas toujours 21.46.08 # nan ca vas 21.46.16 # t sur qu'il a po un pb ? 21.46.27 # il f po un bruit bizard ton hdd ? 21.46.50 # non c'est mon 3ème FM et cui-la il fonctionne le mieux 21.47.06 # 3ieme ??? 21.47.09 # a ce point ? 21.47.22 # le 1er il demarre une fois su 30 21.47.47 # le 2 èeme il avait un court circuit batterie naze apres 2 heures 21.48.05 # le 3 eme il a l'air d'aller a part qqfois pour le boot 21.48.06 # ok 21.48.22 # bein change :) prend 1 multimedia 21.48.39 # C'est un peu cher pour changer ..... 21.48.52 # :) 21.56.30 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 21.58.24 # NiarkY et nazeman: We would very much appreciate if you spoke english on this channel 21.58.44 # sorry :( 21.59.43 # so 21.59.53 # re: sorry 22.00.04 # so you say that the FM recorders are of that bad quality? 22.00.17 # yeas 22.00.41 # i have a lot off proble with boot 22.01.19 # + a few bug in system 22.01.21 # too bad 22.01.46 # what my english (i know :-) 22.02.14 # :-) 22.02.27 # no, too bad you have all those problems 22.03.10 # example: bitrate is blocked 128 kbits, playlist blocked 999 file (with 20 GB ???) 22.03.32 # vbr play but is not reconnigise 22.04.24 # really? 22.04.50 # nazeman: are you sure that your VBR files have correct headers? 22.05.17 # yes you have a info box and that alwas 128Kbit + No VBR but i have file with 160 kbit + a paar in VBR mode 22.06.00 # yes in xmms is ok and winamp 22.06.07 # nazeman: i mean, do your VBR files have a correct VBR header? Xing or VBRI? 22.06.22 # winamp doesn't count 22.06.37 # those programs don't need VBR headers 22.06.43 # the archos does 22.07.09 # any programme for test ? 22.07.17 # the 128kbit issue is different though 22.07.25 # that may 22.07.36 # are your files compressed with LAME? 22.08.29 # not all lame, or with software was inclusif in archos CD 22.08.59 # nazeman: the VBR ones, were they created with musicmatch? 22.09.14 # yes 22.09.44 # ok, then it may be that the FM recorder can't understand the VBRI header 22.10.38 # and for bitrate ? 22.10.45 # heh, doesn't the FM recorder come bundled with musicmatch? 22.11.10 # yes version 7.2 ~ 22.11.59 # you'd think the archos firmware would support the format generated by the software they bundle 22.13.10 # that normal for a tested product but this FM for me is total untested ! 22.13.46 # 3 FM in 2 week ! 22.13.57 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.14.18 # that's lame 22.14.55 # lame ? i dont understant 22.16.10 # snazz you there? 22.16.19 # lame == really bad 22.16.33 # in this context 22.17.09 # thanks 22.18.38 # de rien 22.20.05 # ca fais tjrs plaisir quelques mot en francais ( it's very kool a few word in french) 22.22.19 # is somone works on the JBMM firmware ? 22.22.27 # NiarkY: no 22.22.46 # ok thx LinusN 22.23.08 # NiarkY: none of the rockbox developers own a JBMM 22.23.24 # nor an FM recorder 22.24.08 # sniff, no support for FM, 22.24.27 # nazeman: at least not yet 22.24.57 # not now ? but asap ? 22.25.15 # you have alredy good works on the Jukebox 22.25.27 # thx for all 22.25.41 # nazeman: we are examining the archos firmware file 22.25.57 # the scrambling is different from the older models 22.26.07 # so we have some cryptanalysis to do 22.26.23 # NiarkY: you are welcome 22.26.49 # LinusN: can i help you but i dont be a devellopper ? 22.27.44 # nazeman: yes, by testing stuff, coming with ideas, and writing documentation, just to name a few 22.33.12 # linusN : I will testing if you have no a FM. a after i come perhaps with good idea 22.35.06 # i guess i'll never buy an FM recorder 22.35.20 # i'm quite happy with my JBR20 22.35.46 # the JBMM have better sound quality (bass) 22.36.41 # but the JBR was great 22.37.03 # i have 1 :) 22.37.20 # NiarkY: yeah, maybe the JBMM has a better amplifier 22.38.06 # no archos have respected the french aplification limitation :( ( i think there the only) 22.39.36 # LinusN: If you want i test the firmware for FM please contact me, my mail is in my home page http://www.nazeman.org 22.40.14 # nazeman: we still haven't figured out how to scramble the firmware, so we have nothing to test :-( 22.42.40 # i have read archos will shipping rockbox, perhaps archos can liver one for test 22.46.50 # nazeman: we have asked for documentation 22.46.57 # but they have not replied 22.47.30 # they are afraid of releasing details, because they don't want their competitors to know more than necessary 22.51.24 Join montykid [0] (~montykid@ns.naz.edu) 22.52.53 Part montykid 22.54.51 # LinusN: i muss go thanks 22.55.54 # cu 23.00.57 Quit nazeman ("Fermeture du client") 23.01.26 Quit TotMacherr (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.04.01 # i think i might have found a bug in the file write code 23.04.23 # take a look at this generated queue file: http://hardeeps.freeshell.org/.queue_file 23.05.15 # what is wrong with that file? 23.05.26 # the last line 23.05.50 # if you look at the binary, the characters are all 0 at the beginning 23.06.06 # ah, now i see 23.06.15 # my browser filtered that out 23.06.22 # nasty 23.06.36 # is that a a sector boundary? 23.06.45 # sector is 512 so no 23.06.48 # it's at like 400 23.08.14 # make that byte 485 23.08.50 # i think it looks like a shared buffer problem 23.09.15 # like if you reuse the buffer before write() is done with it 23.09.15 # yeah, possibility. let me debug my code 23.09.58 # i do reuse it _after_ calling write 23.12.01 # yeah, the function doesn't return until the write returns and it's only one thread so the buffer isn't reused until then 23.19.07 # maybe the file write code reuses a buffer inappropriately 23.19.54 # or could it be a buffer overflow in another buffer, before that one in memory? 23.20.28 # yep, another possibility... i'll continue debugging 23.20.53 # one of these days i'm going to have to set up the debugger, this lcd_puts/panicf debugging is rather slow hehe 23.21.05 # hardeep: gdb rox 23.21.34 # hehe, yeah 23.21.43 Join TotMacher [0] (tot@pD9E21BAF.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.21.58 Join totmach3r [0] (tot@pD9E21BAF.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.22.19 # TotMacher: split personality? 23.22.38 # yeah, and more than two characters 23.22.44 Quit totmach3r (Client Quit) 23.22.54 # ui 23.23.05 Join totmach3r [0] (tot@pD9E21BAF.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.23.08 Quit totmach3r (Remote closed the connection) 23.23.45 Join BoD[] [0] (~BoD@m131.net81-67-41.noos.fr) 23.23.46 # hello ! 23.23.57 # hi 23.25.48 Quit TotMacher (Client Quit) 23.28.31 Quit edx ("off!") 23.40.49 Join Disciple1 [0] (admin@ASte-Genev-Bois-104-1-3-242.abo.wanadoo.fr) 23.40.53 # Hi :) 23.41.51 # yo:) 23.42.08 # by all 23.42.10 Quit NiarkY ("leaving by all :)") 23.42.43 # I've just setup an SH1 cross compiler (GCC 3.2.1) on Cygwin and compile my 1st FW for my Recorder20 :)))) 23.46.00 # wow! congrats! 23.47.13 # that's strange but with the Archos FW i got a very annoying metalic/hissing sound, and it disapear using Rockbox :) 23.47.30 # Disciple1: yup, isn't 23.47.34 # tha great?! 23.47.39 # yeah :) 23.47.45 # that sound was the other main reason why I changed to rockbox 23.47.57 # the sound most definitely comes from the I2C 23.48.15 # or LCD :) 23.48.28 # Disciple1: no, probably not lcd 23.48.51 # Anyway, I'll hack Rockbox in the near future (I'm embedded developper in the real life :) 23.49.13 # Disciple1: welcome to the team 23.49.17 # any plans? 23.49.48 # for now ? no ! I'm trying to understant how it works :) 23.49.59 # Disciple1: feel free to ask 23.50.06 # and read docs/TECH 23.50.15 # yeah :) 23.50.36 # and please update it if something is missing/wrong 23.50.49 # hmmmm, do you got any free source browser/editor to advice (for windows) ? 23.51.05 # xemacs :) 23.51.09 # lol 23.51.31 # I'll can use products from where I work(ed), but that too..... BIG :) 23.51.36 # actually, emacs for windows is really goos 23.51.46 # good 23.52.10 # hey guys! 23.52.13 # yo 23.52.15 Nick Josh_ is now known as Jet8810 (~Josh@adsl-153-120-221.mia.bellsouth.net) 23.52.28 # Linus, do you know when queueing may become a reality? 23.52.36 # Jet8810: soon 23.52.39 # ask hardeep 23.52.57 # alright th anks 23.53.04 # hardeep , you here? ;) 23.53.39 # hmmh, should I start testing the latest BE wrt charging code... 23.53.58 # what is I2C ? 23.54.31 # BoD[]: I2C is a serial bus 23.54.44 # and that where the hissing soudn come from :) 23.54.45 # hmm 23.54.57 # what is it used for 23.55.10 # Rockbox has a faster I2C driver than archos, and talks less on it 23.55.20 # lol 23.55.43 # therefore the interference has a higher frequency, 23.56.02 # BoD[]: it is used to talk to the MAS and the RTC 23.56.18 # hmm :) 23.56.19 # and the DAC on the Players 23.56.43 # so it can be used to transfer data and orders between several parts ? 23.58.23 # yes, it is a bus 23.58.36 # every device has a unique address 23.58.55 # introduce a shared global memory buffer that all exclusive applications use