--- Log for 22.12.102 Server: calvino.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16p1 Started: 29 days and 10 hours ago 00.17.07 *** No seen item changed, no save performed. 00.42.01 Join wp92 [0] (~djo@213.203.116.22) 01.29.07 Nick seb-away is now known as _seb_ (Sean@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 02.17.11 *** No seen item changed, no save performed. 04.00.49 Nick noy0m is now known as InNomineSatanis (~y0m@y0m.net) 04.17.12 *** No seen item changed, no save performed. 04.26.06 Join TotMacher [0] (tot@p5084BB24.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.40.55 Join boxman666 [0] (~a@alb-24-25-144-158.nycap.rr.com) 04.41.08 # hello 04.42.47 # I see no one turned the lights of on their way out the door 04.42.47 Quit wp92 (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.46.49 Quit boxman666 () 04.55.49 Join tot|away [0] (tot@p5084BB24.dip.t-dialin.net) 05.03.49 Quit TotMacher () 05.03.49 Quit tot|away () 06.17.16 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.21.05 Join crazybee [0] (~yuri@parachute1-156-40-64-84.net.nih.gov) 06.21.27 # hello all 06.22.43 # does anyone have the pinout for the Archos Multimedia jukebox? so I don't have to buy a $50 USB or firewire adapter? 06.29.32 Part crazybee 06.32.17 Join XtUX [0] (~david@pcp02461573pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net) 06.34.03 # any info on setting up infra to transfer file to other devices 06.38.23 Nick XtUX is now known as X (~david@pcp02461573pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net) 06.41.04 # * X makin *.mp3 06.45.09 Quit X () 06.47.18 Join X [0] (~david@pcp02461573pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net) 06.48.09 Join crazybee [0] (~yuri@parachute1-156-40-64-84.net.nih.gov) 06.48.34 # howdy again, any ways, these people have built a standalone MP3 player using the MAS DSP: http://elektronik.kai-uwe-schmidt.de/mp3_en.html 06.49.09 # interesting 06.49.11 # thanks for the link 06.49.30 # yup, used a PIC to control it, but the 3507 seems to just do its job no hassles 06.50.40 # hmm.. was my previous question answered? I did check the FAQ 06.50.55 # i don't know the answer, sorry :( 06.51.01 Nick _seb_ is now known as seb-sleep (Sean@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 06.52.14 # how do you get the rockbox to show the mp3 info while playing is possible ? 06.52.22 # damn.. I was hoping someone outthere bought teh cable and had a multimeter to do a pin sweep to fnd out which pins are what.. I really don't feel like spending anouther $50 on it 06.53.51 # hmm.. found a web page in china aboutthe chip 06.55.35 # nvrmind 06.55.59 # know if there is a webpage on the new archos opened up and examined? 07.06.37 # hey, is *MB the most you can upgrade the Archos with? the iPod has 32MB 07.06.40 # just curious 07.19.26 # oh, hey, I am assuming the current firmware updates are NOT for the new multimedia jukebox, correct? :) 07.19.28 Part crazybee 07.44.06 Quit X (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.13.46 Join crazybee [0] (~yuri@parachute1-156-40-64-84.net.nih.gov) 08.17.19 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.36.54 Join Norrin [0] (Norrin@pC19EB869.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.37.11 # Has anyone taken the FM Recorder apart and upgraded the HD? 08.37.31 # I'm looking for instructions on how to do it? I have a 40GB I want to move from my player to the recorder. 08.38.02 # probably, did you go o the website and check the FAQ? 08.38.57 # I can only find instructions for the player and older recorder, not the new FM recorder. 08.39.31 # goto the webiste and use teh serach function, it will search all of the archives and then you will probably find your answer.. 08.42.14 # No luck, pulls up all the disassemble instructions for the player, not the FM recorder. Thanks though, I'll keep looking. 08.42.39 # just check the archive later.. they say they answer questions posted at a later date 08.48.53 Part crazybee 08.57.20 # Anyone else know of a website showing disassemble instructions for the FM Recorder or Multimedia? 09.44.56 Quit hardeep ("BitchX by any other name is still BitchX") 09.53.28 Quit Norrin (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 10.17.20 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.30.33 # can't I use floats at all with rockbox? 12.17.23 *** No seen item changed, no save performed. 13.31.00 Join Phantom [0] (Phantom@ASte-Genev-Bois-109-1-2-130.abo.wanadoo.fr) 13.31.04 # Hi 13.31.25 # if a file have ID3 v1 and V2 which is use ? 13.32.33 # ? 13.50.24 Join TotMacher [0] (tot@pD9E21CDD.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.06.55 # somebody ? 14.07.07 # anybody ? 14.07.42 # "In #rockbox, nobody hear you scream" 14.12.17 # it's almost christmas :) 14.14.20 # if a file have ID3 v1 and V2 which is use in display ? 14.16.19 # V2, if they are good 14.16.25 # there's some checks made, afaik 14.16.37 # but v2 is preferred 14.17.24 *** No seen item changed, no save performed. 14.18.06 # k 14.32.58 Join edx [0] (~edx@pD9EAB817.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.34.24 Quit Phantom ("Fermeture du client") 15.01.53 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 15.08.37 Quit edx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.17.35 Part LinusN 15.58.15 Quit dw|gone (Remote closed the connection) 15.58.17 Quit Hadaka (Broken pipe) 15.58.21 Join dw|gone_ [0] (dwihno@Bald067.Baldakinen.Umea.SE) 15.58.22 Join Naked [0] (naked@aka.pp.htv.fi) 15.58.22 Nick Naked is now known as Hadaka (naked@aka.pp.htv.fi) 15.59.18 Join datazone [0] (~datazone@207.136.36.203) 16.17.26 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.21.09 Quit TotMacher () 16.34.29 Join edx [0] (~edx@pD9EAB058.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.46.34 Quit Jimbo (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.01.20 # anyone here 17.01.36 # does anyone know if there is a way to browse music while something is playing? 17.02.07 # press 'on' 17.03.14 # and then f1? 17.03.30 # oh i see 17.03.41 # thanks 17.03.45 # no problem :) 17.23.04 Join Niek [0] (Niek@node1011a.a2000.nl) 17.25.31 Join TotMacher [0] (tot@p508DA7F3.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.42.08 Join SmoothPeanutButt [0] (poq@170.222.8.67.cfl.rr.com) 17.42.32 # Is there any difference between the Recorder 15 and Recorder 20 other than the size of the HDD? 17.42.54 # hm, lemme check 17.43.47 Join Phantom [0] (Phantom@ASte-Genev-Bois-109-1-2-130.abo.wanadoo.fr) 17.43.55 # I'm not entirely sure 17.44.05 # if there is a difference 17.44.18 # then it's the difference that recorder 20 has USB 2.0 and recorder 15 doesn't 17.44.21 # so if you check that 17.44.22 # two day without any updaten that is strange .. 17.44.27 # you should be safe 17.44.35 # Phantom: jingle bells jingle bells... 17.44.53 # yes right 17.45.26 # The box on the 15 says "2.0 Compatible" whether this means that it will do 2.0 is the quesiton... 17.45.39 # the 15 is a fake 17.45.49 # ? 17.45.49 # this isn't an official archos 17.46.00 # SmoothPeanutButt: it should have a big 'USB 2.0' logo 17.46.50 # It's a real archos. Just that there is a sticker on the box that says "2.0 Compatible" 17.47.05 # SmoothPeanutButt: the archos website doesn't sell that model 17.47.27 # hadaka you type faster than me ;-) 17.47.38 # Rwally, cause I saw it at Ciruit city. Official box and eveything. What's the deal then? 17.47.38 # SmoothPeanutButt: but there should be a USB 2.0 logo somewhere on the box 17.47.49 # What's the logo look like? 17.47.53 # no it's official 17.47.56 # they discontinued it though 17.48.03 # no 17.48.06 # SmoothPeanutButt: blue, should have a big USB text and 2.0 smaller below it 17.48.08 # i don't think they'll be producing it after a while 17.48.10 # I'm sure 17.48.16 # you're srue? 17.48.29 # because it looks quite official everywhere i looked 17.49.13 # I'm certain that it's legit. I'd just like to find out what the differences are. 17.49.33 # this is a 6go or 10go or 20go BUT with another hard drive 17.50.05 # who makes the 15 gb model then? 17.50.09 # if it's not archos 17.50.30 # archos 17.50.33 # it's illegal for them to put archos's original packaging on it to sell 17.50.33 # BUT 17.51.08 # the hard drive is change by another person, it's possible to find 40go archos recorder 17.51.43 # I'm guessing that it's a discontinued model. Most people would probably go for 10 or 20. It wans't selling enough probably. 17.51.52 # no but still 17.52.03 # SmoothPeanutButt: I'd really try to make sure it is USB2.0, if you care about that 17.52.08 # it's illegal for that person to sell their modified archos at retailers under archos's name 17.52.23 # they MUST say "modified" someplace 17.52.47 # and if smoothpeanutbutt is sure he saw it sold at circuit city in the original Archos package..then well 17.52.52 # 2 second I search the web site 17.53.16 # Yeah, that's why I'm trying to find out if it is just a 20 with a 15 drive in it, or a 10 with a 15 drive. The 20 is USB2.0 but the 10 is 1.1 17.53.58 # the two are possible 17.54.21 # but I think strange to use a 20... 17.54.59 # What's the diff in speed between 1.1 and 2.0? 17.55.29 # SmoothPeanutButt: USB 2.0 is 480mbit/s, USB 1.1 is 12mbit/s or something like that 17.55.46 # though ofcourse the harddrive can't make such speeds 17.56.08 # so the actual difference is less than 1megabyte per sec vs. several per sec 17.56.30 # What's the peak bandwidth of the HDDs? 17.56.52 # well it depends on the HDDs, even the same units do not always come with the same HDD 17.57.37 # Well, I can get a Recorder 15 for $180 (at the store) or the 20 for $200 (online) 17.57.56 # mine is FUJITSU MHN2200AT - you can possibly find specs on the net about it 17.57.57 # look here : http://www.funmp3players.com/store/products.asp?id=2 17.58.20 # SmoothPeanutButt: I'd advise to go for the 20, even though a bit more expensive - I'm not trusting any other models yet 17.58.21 # 40go 17.59.04 # http://www.funmp3players.com/store/showproduct.asp?catid=54 17.59.14 # That site has these specs for the 20: Transfer Rate: USB (Compatible with PC and Mac) 17.59.14 # Up to 1MB/sec. 17.59.14 # 17.59.23 # yes 17.59.41 # so they use 10or 6 17.59.50 # Typo? 17.59.51 # normal, they are less expensive.. 17.59.51 # SmoothPeanutButt: usb 1.1 can do that up to 1mb/sec 18.00.24 # SmoothPeanutButt: if they didn't mention it specially, I don't think they had a usb 2.0 card in the computer 18.01.24 # Aha.. Found a reference on the archos site. Go to the Recorder 10 and bring up the specs. Listed at the top: "Jukebox Recorder 6 - 6GB USB 1.1 18.01.24 # Jukebox Recorder 10 - 10GB USB 1.1 18.01.24 # Jukebox Recorder 15 - 15GB USB 1.1 18.01.25 DBUG Enqueued KICK SmoothPeanutButt 18.01.25 # " 18.01.37 # Mystery solved. 18.01.45 # heh, so it seems 18.04.35 # i told you it's officially archos 18.06.35 # url please 18.07.22 # http://www.archos.com/lang=en//products/prw_500297.html . Click on the "Features and Specs" link. 18.10.35 # right, BUT ! 18.10.36 # 500277 - US Jukebox Recorder 15, 15GB HD 18.10.49 # It was only sell in USA 18.10.59 # and... I'm french 18.11.52 # ah. Probably. Anyone have a link to the "official" usb 2.0 logo image. I want to make sure of something. 18.12.23 # sure : 18.16.24 # Ohhh 18.16.26 # http://www.everythingusb.com/usb2/faq.htm 18.16.27 # hehe..only in usa 18.16.44 # YES, but i'm happy with mine 18.17.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.17.33 # thanks 18.18.37 Quit Phantom ("Fermeture du client") 18.22.06 # It's weord becuase the box for the 15 had the same "USB 2.0 Compatible" stickers on it that the Recorder 20 has.. strange, very strange 18.37.15 Quit Bryant () 18.48.46 Nick seb-sleep is now known as _seb_ (Sean@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 20.11.11 Join ken0_ [0] (marklar2@80.178.32.78) 20.11.22 Join tot|away [0] (tot@p508DA603.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.11.23 Quit tot|away (Remote closed the connection) 20.11.27 Join tot|away [0] (tot@p508DA603.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.12.13 Join hardeep [0] (hardeeps@208.247.65.237) 20.12.27 # guys 20.12.59 # is there any way I could get to the DC IN part to resolder it WITHOUT taking the unit's electronics apart? 20.17.29 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.18.18 Join ken0 [0] (marklar2@80.178.32.78) 20.18.18 Quit ken0_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.23.26 Quit tot|away () 20.25.53 Quit TotMacher (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.39.36 Quit hardeep ("BitchX: its everywhere you want to be") 21.29.41 Quit SmoothPeanutButt () 21.41.41 Join hardeep [0] (hardeeps@208.247.65.237) 22.07.10 Join X [0] (~david@pcp02461573pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net) 22.09.31 # mmm yea :-0 who cn help ?? Have GNUSH and all that on XP pro, compiled a program and want to mess with rockbox should i just take the .mod and .ajz file and copy to another file, and do what 22.10.16 # also playing mp3's in car thru fm modulator and the batteries go dead in less than an hour's time is that right ? 22.17.30 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.17.57 # X: copy the .ajz file to the root directory on your JB to use it 22.18.31 # X: it's just like an Archos firmware upgrade 22.18.37 # hmmh, fm modulator? how does that work? 22.19.01 # it's ok, the mp3's need 22.19.19 # is it just a plug in the 'ear plug' on the archos which is then modulated for the car? 22.19.20 # to be ripped at higher bits rate 22.19.27 # for it to sound good 22.19.52 # had set up route66 on linux box and ran in car with fm mod, that was really good 22.20.15 # this is better cause of size 22.20.23 # there shouldn't be a reason why batteries on the archos would die out in one hour 22.20.48 # i charged first 6 hours and second 11, 22.21.13 # how was the archos plugged in? 22.21.18 # the os doesn't get to start and the screen goes blank 22.21.21 # in the car? 22.21.49 # i had it plugged in to the charger on a strip, also had usb plugged in and was ripping at the time 22.21.59 # oh! 22.22.06 # usb drains loads of power 22.22.09 # yes in the car after playing about 40 min 22.22.10 # _loads_ 22.22.22 # unplug and charge then 22.22.31 # and so does recording 22.22.48 # mmmm :-> ic 22.22.51 # but while just playing, you should never get something as low as one hour of playtime 22.23.03 # more like 10 or 12 hours 22.23.28 # when the player is playing can it be charged at the same time ? 22.23.36 # yes it can 22.24.02 # so i will plug in the car also then 22.24.37 # can you tell me about the compiler a little i have everything the rockbox said to get 22.24.37 # though, continuous discharge and charge on extended periods of time does hurt the batteries quite a lot 22.24.57 # someone else has to answer that - I haven't compiled rockbox ever on windows 22.25.10 # well first i have to charge correctly without the usb connected 22.25.21 # linux ? 22.25.27 # X: what problems are you having with the compiler? 22.25.34 # rockbox has a deep discharge mode, which will first let batteries drop to 10%, and then charge to full, and then repeat 22.25.39 # yeah, linux 22.26.07 # no prob checked to see if i could hello world, and it does, i just need starting point to use with rockbox 22.26.47 # what files to use mod and ajz 22.27.02 # should i use the originals i have in temp dir 22.27.14 # umm, you are asking weird questions :) 22.27.23 # what unit do you have and what do you wish to do? :) 22.28.24 # i have the archos 20 gig, i added the latest build of rockbox a few fonts and stuff, but i wanted to mess with the rockbox code 22.28.34 # recorder or studio? 22.29.00 # recorder 22.29.56 # well then 22.30.03 # if you have installed the compiler propertly 22.30.07 # and downloaded the latest sources 22.30.37 # you execute do tools/configure to create a Makefile - and then make should produce you a 'ajbrec.ajz' file 22.30.50 # which is the thing you should copy at the root of your archos drive 22.31.44 # ok i have to get the source, not used to downloading files which need to be compiled into windows 22.32.07 # well you said you wanted to mess with the rockbox code? 22.32.16 # if you just want the firmware, download the latest release 22.32.22 # or daily build 22.32.24 # or bleeding edge 22.32.55 # http://rockbox.haxx.se/auto/build-recorder/ajbrec.ajz <- there's the url to the latest bleeding edge build 22.33.13 # just simply copy that on your archos and it should boot into rockbox 22.37.08 # thnks for your help 22.37.41 # no problem :) 22.38.30 Join EnnaN [0] (bla@cc53164-b.groni1.gr.home.nl) 22.38.33 # hi 22.38.47 # yo 22.40.04 # you know this: ----[ 655105 ] Queue function---- patch? 22.40.15 # (http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=655105&group_id=44306&atid=439120) 22.40.32 # searching for some1 that uses it... 22.41.04 # I don't 22.41.47 # hmm..looks like a good patch...could use the feature...but never read anything bout it on the mailinglist... 22.41.53 # what you think bout it? 22.43.08 # haven't looked into the patch myself 22.45.33 Quit EnnaN ("Leaving") 22.45.47 Join EnnaN [0] (bla@cc53164-b.groni1.gr.home.nl) 22.51.22 # Is there a limit to the stack size? 22.53.28 # I do think so 22.54.02 # default stack size is 400 bytes 22.54.21 # I've ported the game Asteroids to the RockBox, pretty neat, but since I've removed all global variables in to locals it wont run anymore 22.54.23 # but you can apparently specify it by hand per thread 22.54.46 # it may be that it hits the 400byte limit then 22.54.54 # I have it running in the win32 emulator real good thoufh 22.54.57 # example: 22.54.58 # though 22.55.02 # static char usb_stack[DEFAULT_STACK_SIZE]; 22.55.12 # create_thread(usb_thread, usb_stack, sizeof(usb_stack), usb_thread_name); 22.55.26 # my program doesn't use any thread 22.55.38 # well then it runs in the application thread, lemme check that 22.56.50 # hmm, can't find the size now 22.56.56 # but I would expect it be the 400 bytes 22.57.17 # ah the game uses more than that (a lot more) 22.58.07 # so I need globals for that... 22.59.17 # in the debug menus, there should be a 'view stack usage' or something similar 22.59.37 # unfortunately when I start the game the entire archos crashes 23.01.04 # the entire stack available to rockbox seems to be something rather small as well 23.01.14 # so you probably do need to lessen the stack usage heavily 23.01.47 # Do you have any experience with changing floating point code to integer code? 23.02.13 # not much 23.04.35 # Okay made them globals again... let's see 23.05.38 # he, runned for a few seconds, then it gave me a *PANIC* 23.05.50 # Stkov scroll 23.05.54 # (?) 23.06.10 # I think that's a stack overflow too 23.06.34 # yeah 23.06.59 # it means that the scroll thread got a stack overflow - I'm not sure if it directly means that or that the previous thread got an overflow 23.08.35 # if(stackptr[0] != 0xdeadbeef) 23.08.35 # panicf("Stkov %s", thread_name[next]); 23.08.38 # oh 23.08.53 # so it means probably that the previous thread write over the next threads stack 23.08.59 # and the next thread was scroll 23.10.47 # I see... 23.11.05 # Which buttons can be pressed simultaneously? 23.11.39 Join TotMacher [0] (tot@p508DAE64.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.11.56 # that I do not know at all 23.12.12 # but 23.12.19 # if you go to the debug menu 23.12.22 # Since thrusting the ship and stearing at the same time isn't possible 23.12.27 # and go to View I/O ports 23.12.36 # and then press buttons 23.12.48 # you should see what values different io ports get 23.12.58 # and you can perhaps determine the thing yourself 23.22.01 Quit ken0 ("zZz") 23.22.30 Join ken0 [0] (marklar2@80.178.32.78) 23.27.44 # Trying to debug on win XP pro any suggestions ? 23.27.48 # kernel.c: In function `IMIA0': 23.27.48 # kernel.c:206: insn does not satisfy its constraints: 23.27.48 # (insn 143 142 144 (set (mem:SI (pre_dec:SI (reg/f:SI 15 r15)) [0 S4 A32]) 23.27.48 DBUG Enqueued KICK X 23.27.48 # (reg:SI 151 fpscr)) 112 {movsi_i} (insn_list 142 (nil)) 23.27.48 # (expr_list:REG_INC (reg/f:SI 15 r15) 23.27.48 *** Alert Mode level 1 23.27.48 # (nil))) 23.27.51 # kernel.c:206: Internal compiler error in extract_constrain_insn_cached, at recog 23.27.52 # .c:2063 23.27.54 # Please submit a full bug report, 23.27.57 # with preprocessed source if appropriate. 23.27.58 # See for instructions. 23.28.00 # make[1]: *** [kernel.o] Error 1 23.28.02 # make[1]: Leaving directory `G:/Program Files/kpit/GNUSH v0204-ELF/Build/firmware 23.28.04 # ' 23.28.06 # make: *** [librockbox.a] Error 2 23.28.22 # Besides submit a full bug report 23.29.51 # check if there is a newer gcc available 23.30.32 Quit EnnaN (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 23.30.57 # No you need an older version 23.31.09 # You're trying the 204 version 23.31.15 # you need the 203 23.31.40 # (I had that problem too) 23.31.57 # 203 ? sounds good 23.37.49 *** Alert Mode OFF 23.56.15 Quit X () 23.58.38 # anyone interested in having the win32 simulator binary of asteroids?