--- Log for 11.01.103 Server: calvino.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16p1 Started: 19 hours and 39 minutes ago 00.01.38 # changelog from the daily's isn't all.. 00.02.07 # ricII: "isn't all"? 00.03.11 # I used to only check the changelog .. 00.03.31 # and? 00.04.02 # more has changed.. 00.04.10 # like what? 00.04.21 # lcd-recorder.c 00.05.10 # since when? 00.06.06 # sorry player.. 00.06.37 # since when? 00.07.17 # hmm 2003-02-10? 00.07.55 # today's daily build reflects yesterdays changes 00.08.13 # yes it's me... 00.08.13 # how many lines of code is the rockbox firmware 00.08.14 # the changes today will be included in tomorrows daily build 00.08.49 # I souldn't be working in my cvs copy.... 00.09.51 Join h0tz|away [0] (h0tz@pD9EAB4B5.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.10.15 Part h0tz|away 00.10.32 # ricII: that's exactly where you should be working, imho 00.11.59 # maybe I sould learn to use cvs... 00.12.26 Join Erik [0] (Erik@193.portland-03-04rs.or.dial-access.att.net) 00.12.29 # is anyone here 00.12.46 # nope 00.12.50 # no, where all out.. 00.12.54 # er, wait 00.13.00 # well i was here before and no one was here :P 00.13.18 # im wondering how to make playlists on my recorder 20 with rockbox 1.4 00.13.40 # Erik you can't (yet) 00.14.00 # can you with the base OS that comes with the unit? 00.14.37 # Erik: yes, the archos firmware supports playlist creation 00.14.54 # Erik: you can boot into the archos firmware from rockbox1.4 using the ROLO feature 00.14.58 # wanna try and fill me in on how? I cant figure it out 00.14.59 # not that I known.. (but the orignal frimware was there 1 day.. rockbox was the reason I got one) 00.15.38 # switching would be nice, rockbox rocks (no pun intended :) ), but i need to make playlists first 00.15.42 # Erik: all I know is that you can, but no idea how... it's been a long time since i've used it 00.15.46 # okay 00.15.50 # how do i set up a dualboot? 00.16.02 # i read inst 00.16.03 # in faq 00.16.06 # but couldnt figure it out 00.16.12 # how many lines 00.16.15 # is rockbox firmware 00.16.17 # of coding 00.16.23 Part LinusN 00.16.44 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 00.16.51 Join Jet8810 [0] (~Josh@user-38lde9u.dialup.mindspring.com) 00.16.51 # Erik: copy the archos firmware to your recorder with the name archos.ajz 00.16.57 # and then just " 00.17.03 # "play" it from rockbox 00.17.26 # the name can be something else if you prefer 00.17.31 # but it has to have the .ajz extension 00.17.41 # where do i get the firmware? when i look in F: (the drive) it just has rockbox 00.17.51 # Erik: from the archos website 00.17.58 # i believe version 1.27d is the latest 00.18.01 # version 1.27 is 1.28 00.18.35 # ahh 00.18.36 # okay 00.19.22 # so 00.19.27 # any other support websites 00.19.33 # that i can look up into making playlists 00.19.53 # why not make playlists from your computer and copy them to the jukebox? 00.20.16 # well, how can i do that? 00.20.26 # cause he is a autonomous freak like me? 00.20.31 # as for archos jb support sites: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/archosjukebox6000/ 00.20.37 # and www.funmp3players.com 00.21.17 # steven: about 58000 lines of C code 00.21.45 # ok 00.21.48 # Erik: see http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/faq.html#58 for making playlists on your pc 00.22.35 # wow... 00.22.38 # Erik: You can goto the menu, playlists, new playlist, then press and hold the play button to add the selected file to the playlist- and the other options in the playlist let you modify or save it in the current directory, I belive. 00.22.41 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.22.45 # as soon as I get my archos I can hook it up to my PDA and transfer files :) 00.23.02 # thats the thing.. theres no 'new playlist' option 00.23.24 # Start, Save, Edit, Clear 00.23.32 # ack- start is the one 00.23.47 # it takes me back to the main menu 00.24.02 # hmm 00.24.10 # any way to make it so ALL OF THE TIME if you hold play it queues a file? 00.24.18 # ya, then you can start adding items to the list- if you go back to the playlist menu after that, you can view them with edit 00.24.42 # so how do i add em? Just go and play the song? 00.24.50 # Jet8810: what happens now? 00.25.06 # LinusN: what are the gpio pins for on the isd300 ? can they be used to make a serial usb device? (debuging) 00.25.06 # oh I thought you had to go into menu to say new playlist 00.25.08 # hold down the play button instead of pressing it once, though 00.25.11 # (remember I dont have an archos yet) 00.25.16 # ahhh 00.25.20 # ricII: no 00.25.25 # and hardeep, now you can edit playlists too? 00.25.29 # and save them? 00.25.42 # Jet8810: no, playlist editing is not available yet on rockbox 00.25.47 # ricII: no ISD300 pins are connected to the ISD300 for what I know 00.25.48 # Jet8810: just queueing.... 00.25.55 # sorry, to the CPU 00.25.56 # thats the key. THANK YOU ClosetPacifist!! 00.26.00 # and still no fat editing right? 00.26.03 # and i can save em and use em in RockBox right? 00.26.11 # yup 00.26.14 # cool cool 00.26.19 # thanks guys! 00.26.30 Quit Erik () 00.28.05 # but if they where? 00.28.40 # ricII: then i don't know, i haven't studied the data sheets 00.28.47 # but i doubt that it would be possible 00.29.19 # ok, I will have to buy a serial<=>usb converter to debug.. 00.29.21 # is the C:\balahal thing fixed though? The controversial thing discussed in the mailing list?\ 00.29.46 # Jet8810 rockbox eat's the drive letters 00.30.00 # ricII: if you want to debug it you will have to open up the archos 00.30.35 # LinusN: do you think I didn't do that already ? :) 00.30.39 # to connect the CPU serial port 00.30.43 # aha 00.30.49 # most people don't 00.31.16 # well, my g4 powerbook was also opened the first week... 00.32.19 # i get too many clueless questions, so i have a hard time distinguishing them from the sane ones :-) 00.33.30 # I just I lost track of modern electronic after cmos & rca 1802.. 00.33.55 # "modern", yes... :-) 00.37.32 Nick edx is now known as edx`out (~edx@pD9EAADCB.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.37.49 # besides I didn't like the case design, looks much better without 00.38.23 # oh, so that was you... 00.39.27 Join BoD[] [0] (~BoD@m131.net81-67-41.noos.fr) 00.39.40 # youhou 00.39.56 # yo 00.40.37 # Jet8810: the bad pathname problem in the playlists has been fixed in the latest daily 00.40.47 # webmind also carries his player around naked.. 00.41.03 # greayt 00.41.14 # hmm 00.41.29 # finally i made a little java app to synchronize hd <-> archos 00.43.01 # * ClosetPacifist uses rsync. 00.43.56 # BoD[] cp -rup ? 00.44.12 # i tried rsync under cygwin 00.44.24 # it raised an error 00.44.42 # :) 00.44.48 # hmm you will need a rsync on the archos (or host) 00.45.02 # sorry host.. 00.45.04 # like .. problem while trying to change rights on a file 00.45.52 # vfat, no rights.. 00.46.02 # probably 00.47.10 # anyway I did this little prog and after that saw the post with a link to a prog that do the same stuff, only 100 times better :) 00.47.58 # imagine how Archos felt when they saw Rockbox :-) 00.48.06 # don't belive so... rsync --update --recursive /path/to/music/* /path/to/jukebox/ works for me. 00.48.10 # :) 00.48.11 # ha ha hahahaha :))))) 00.49.45 # by the way the fact that filenames contain a : (c:/) is a problem with rsync 00.52.56 # hmm, to tierd to make sense, gonna sleep.. 00.53.36 # :) 00.56.19 # is Jedis the plural of Jedi .. or is it Jedi without s 00.56.20 # ? 00.57.23 # think its just Jedi... 00.57.51 # i'll use "jedi knights" 01.23.18 Join _Dino_ [0] (~dan@213.121.252.30) 01.29.28 Part _Dino_ 01.40.27 Part LinusN 01.48.04 Join Erik [0] (Erik@193.portland-03-04rs.or.dial-access.att.net) 01.48.33 # is it safe to use NiMH 2000 batteries in my Recorder 20? 01.50.08 Join duke_sam_vimes [0] (Duke_Sam_V@airlock003.esatclear.ie) 01.50.12 # hello all 01.50.26 # hi 01.51.36 Quit mecraw ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)") 01.52.35 # duke_sam_vimes: you know a lot about Archos Recorder's? 01.52.39 # can i ask u a Q 01.53.21 # shoot, i dont know if i will be able to help though 01.53.32 # will these be compatible with Recorder 20? 01.53.33 # http://www.nimhbattery.com/ipower_2100mah_nimh_batteries.htm 01.54.30 # the recorder came with 4 1500mAH 01.54.35 # and i wanted more usage out of it 01.55.04 # do a search on the rockbox site about batteries and have a look in the battery FAQ, i remember seeing something about the higher capacity batteries giving less power but that could be my memory playing tricks on me so check it out 01.55.11 Join Kshain [0] (~masticore@216.83.45.17) 01.56.09 # on the rockbox battery FAQ, it mentioned that using 1800 or 2000 are just fine. These 2100 are brand new out, so im assuming they'd work.. seeing as they are both 1.2volts 01.56.31 # in that case i cant see any reason why there would be a problem with that 01.57.21 # hey everyone 01.57.27 # i got a 4 year service plan thru best buy... so if something blows up, it shouldnt of lol so ill get a refund 01.57.29 # hi Kshain 01.57.55 # hello 01.57.59 # anyone know what that new update is (meaning what is its purpose)? 01.58.06 # ? 01.58.36 # damn 01.58.38 # recorder truly is getting phased out 01.58.38 # is rockbox going to die with it? 01.58.48 # the update on rockbox site 01.59.05 # it was big enough to warrent a recent updates thread so... 01.59.31 # wha? Recorder getting phased out? 01.59.53 # Kshain: see Kjell's post on the mailing list... it allows player models to display national characters... something it couldn't do before 02.00.16 # heh 02.00.16 # very useful for languages other than english 02.00.37 # what archos does from this point on makes no difference to rockbox 02.00.38 # lots of changes in the dailybuilds 02.00.38 # ah. Nothing to amazing then :) 02.00.45 # well 02.00.52 # FM recorder is replacin git 02.00.52 # the userbase is already established 02.00.54 # and hardeeep-- question for you 02.00.54 # as is multimedia 02.00.58 # ahhh 02.01.07 # whats so special about recording from FM? 02.01.13 # * Erik hugs his recorder 02.01.17 # is the queue function currently in the player models daily builds? 02.01.21 # Jet8810: and i'm not gonna buy either of them 02.01.36 # Kshain: yes 02.01.45 # what model do you have PsycoXul 02.01.52 # studio20 02.01.53 # heh true 02.02.02 # i might buy a used recorder20 if i ever find one cheap 02.02.03 # I am faced with choice of getting new mp3 player so trying to decide 02.02.05 # but then i might not 02.02.05 # heh 02.02.13 # Jet8810: as an example, the player models have been pretty much unsupported by Archos for a long time now 02.02.24 # right 02.02.27 # but rockbox is still implementing cool things for it, like today's changes 02.02.29 # recorder is still an older model though 02.02.54 # and i think rockbox will work on the FM recorders eventualy anyway 02.03.18 # wont rockbox contunue to be model-spread? 02.03.21 # ie all models 02.03.23 # like they are now 02.03.29 # well 02.03.33 # weird, my player refuses to queue 02.03.37 # all models that it has a chance of working on 02.03.43 # I dont get the plus sign or anything 02.03.55 # multimedia's an entirely different thing, it needs it's own project if anybody cares to do something similar for it 02.04.07 # ahh 02.04.25 # well before they move on i hope they get Record MP3's and a way to make a playlist 02.04.46 # rockbox is gonna keep on it's current path 02.04.46 # heh 02.04.48 # afaik 02.04.58 # Kshain: You should see a message that the song is queued 02.04.59 # they've got no plans on doing anything with the multimedia 02.05.04 # Kshain what happens for you? 02.05.18 # they'll keep expanding it's functions for the current devices 02.05.24 # and possibly support the FM 02.05.35 # and thats it 02.05.36 # heh 02.05.51 # well, I just hold the play button on the song I want to add to my queue list, but nothing happens 02.05.53 # Erik: recording is implemented... try one of the daily builds 02.06.02 # am I doing that right? 02.06.13 # Kshain: are you playing something at the time? 02.06.29 # I think I've tried doing it either way 02.06.51 # hardeep: did you do the queue support? 02.06.53 # Kshain: while playing a track, just hold on to play to queue another track 02.06.57 # PsycoXul: yes 02.07.18 # Kshain: are you also sure you're using the latest daily build? you need to be using at least 1/9 02.07.20 # should it give me any sort of identification that somethings happened? 02.07.25 # I am 02.07.28 # hardeep: just curious why you didn't use a key-combo instead of having to hold a button down for a long time 02.07.33 # Kshain: yes, it displays a message saying a song has been queued 02.07.45 # hmmm, nope never have got that 02.08.15 # Kshain: can you quickly verify you're using the right version please... 02.08.29 # sure. I'll go get the latest just in case 02.09.06 # PsycoXul: No real reason, i saw this is how it was done on the archos fw 02.09.33 # heh 02.09.38 # ok 02.09.55 # PsycoXul: we may change it... I know Zagor had some thoughts on using a quick menu screen for some track operations 02.10.01 # when i get around to upgrading my rockbox 02.10.13 # i'm gonna mod it to use a combo, cause personally i can't stand the way archos fw does it :p heh 02.10.37 # PsycoXul: well, the delay isn't as long as the archos fw, it's almost instantaneous 02.10.45 # now that we got more people here, gonna ask once more before i order em... will these batteries work in my Recorder? http://www.nimhbattery.com/ipower_2100mah_nimh_batteries.htm 02.11.46 # heh 02.11.56 # hardeep, I just got the latest build (110 right?) and nope, still doesnt work for me 02.12.11 # Erik: i'd say so 02.12.21 # ok 02.12.21 # Kshain: what happens when you hold on to play? 02.12.22 # thx 02.12.28 # i might get a set of those heh 02.12.51 # much better than 1500's 02.12.52 # i'll probably wait though, i just replaced mine with the spare set, so i don't really need them 02.12.58 # but the extra capacity would be nice 02.13.20 # nothing 02.13.33 # yeah 02.13.36 # I stary playing the file, then I press and hold play, and it goes to pause 02.13.37 # most powerful i could find 02.13.47 # and if I do it in pause, nothing happens either 02.13.57 # Kshain: oh, heh, you need to be in the directory browser 02.14.01 Join CaPeTaO_HC[Gtr] [0] (~awdyf@200.202.226.234) 02.14.22 # Kshain: then find a song you want to queue and hold on to play 02.14.38 # oh, thought you said it had to be playing 02.14.42 # one sec then 02.14.53 # Kshain: yes, a song needs to be playing 02.15.00 # Kshain: you can browse while a song is playing 02.15.48 # Kshain: press ON while in the WPS to go to browser 02.15.48 Quit webmind (Remote closed the connection) 02.16.31 # wow... im surpirsed. that place i ordered from, 91 reviews, averaging 9.89 out of 10 02.17.04 Quit CaPeTaO_HC[Gtr] (Client Quit) 02.17.08 # oh, dok 02.17.11 # doh* 02.17.29 # hehe 02.17.41 # lol thanks, it works now 02.17.51 # cool 02.17.55 # Im sorta slow about these kinda things 02.18.07 # good work on the whole queue thing hardeep 02.18.17 # thanks 02.18.18 # you running Rockbox? 02.18.22 # it has queue? 02.18.27 # grumble can't sleep 02.18.30 # Erik: latest daily 02.18.34 # ahhh 02.18.39 # ricII: hehe, got rockbox on the mind? 02.18.41 # i wont dl that 02.18.47 # yup.. 02.18.53 # im too scared lol 02.18.54 # Erik: why not? it's very stable 02.19.05 # what other features does it have 02.19.10 # Erik: there's no permanent damage that it can do... :) 02.19.18 # Erik: recording 02.19.22 # really?? 02.19.25 # im gettin it 02.19.28 # Erik: yes 02.19.52 # the one for today? 02.20.03 # Erik: yeah, get the latest 02.20.18 # Erik: there are also many bug fixes in it 02.20.27 # worst case, rockbox could delete files (verry unlikly) 02.20.38 # i got em all on my pc 02.20.43 # so thats no big deal 02.20.56 # *does the happy dance* 02.21.15 # rockbox is very cool. trust me 02.21.15 # does it allow you to make your own playlists in Rockbox, without booting to the stock OS? 02.21.25 # Erik: not yet 02.21.34 # uh oh I feel a ROLO explanation comeing on 02.21.39 # crap.. i gotta get something to untar these things 02.21.45 # i know how to use it 02.21.51 # dont worry 02.21.51 # lol 02.21.51 # im using 1.4 now 02.21.54 # Erik: that's not the file you want 02.22.00 # and dualboot out to make playlists and record 02.22.02 # ok good :) 02.22.18 # i need the .agz one? 02.22.21 # Erik: go one section below and get archos20030110.ajz 02.22.33 # hey hardeep, I got another question -- when will we be able to make our own boot screens? 02.22.35 # ahh 02.22.38 # okay 02.22.43 # the one under target builds 02.22.45 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.23.12 # Kshain: I know there's an open feature request for it... but it's unlikely that it'll be added 02.23.27 # why? 02.23.46 # use the source Kshain ;) 02.23.57 # I've tried. I give up 02.24.06 # cgywin is the devil 02.24.21 # Kshain: the file code isn't accessible at boot time, which we would need to load a customizable boot screen 02.24.38 # wow... my battery went from full down to about 25% 02.24.43 # aah. And yet someone has already done it 02.24.57 # the guy on the mailing list... 02.25.02 # Erik: there's been a lot of changes to the charging/battery code to get a more accurate result 02.25.19 # Kshain: he modified the source code... something that you can always do. :) 02.25.39 # i just charged em tho.. and used em for bout 2 hours 02.26.13 # Erik: i believe the new code samples over a period of time.... 02.26.26 # as I said, I cant figure the source out 02.26.27 # Erik: there's a battery faq that explains it better then I could 02.26.38 # I've tried 02.27.00 # Kshain: right, i'm just saying that's how the guy on the mailing list updated his 02.27.30 # its safe to charge for like 20 min then stop, right? 02.27.35 # for a boost in power? 02.28.03 # http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/battery-faq.html#15 02.28.20 # yah. Well, maybe I'll give it one more shot 02.28.36 # i hate my archos 02.28.45 # steven: eh, why's that? 02.28.59 # I Can only transfer files when its fully charged,and than it like it stops transfering after 2 or 3 albums 02.29.18 # although im on regular usb 02.29.23 # steven: ack, what is are you running? 02.29.24 # it shouldnt stop 02.29.27 # windows xp 02.29.28 # er os 02.29.33 # eh, oh well. im gettin new batteries anyway.. im just shocked that it went from 90% to 40% with a build update.. 02.29.43 # steven: hmmm, that's strange 02.29.46 # yeah my battery drops when I transfer alot of files 02.29.52 # it hangs 02.29.58 # also 02.30.21 # steven power adaptor doesn't supply anough power to spin hd... 02.30.40 # hrm 02.31.14 # 350ma, hd spin 500ma, so batteries are drained 02.31.29 # im out everyone 02.31.31 # bye bye 02.31.35 # thx for the help 02.31.37 Quit Erik () 02.32.05 # on the adaptor alone it can't spinup the hd... 02.33.54 # anyway to fix this 02.34.01 # I like to transfer 40 tracks usually 02.34.20 # charge y'r batteries properly.. 02.34.37 # I do 02.35.22 # hmm, I had no problem tranfering 5gb via usb1.1.. (with full batteries) 02.35.37 # what os? 02.35.58 # both linuxppc & win2k.. 02.36.09 Part duke_sam_vimes 02.36.35 Quit ClosetPacifist ("-out-") 02.36.38 # maybe it is my batteries 02.36.46 # How long should one charge it for 02.36.51 # when it's completely drained 02.36.59 # first time ~ 8h 02.37.26 # my led said batteries charged 02.37.29 # after like 3 hours 02.37.33 # after just getting it today 02.38.00 # oh completly drained 02.38.01 # nvm 02.39.26 # assuming orignal 1500mah cells 02.43.16 # damn 02.43.37 # wireless modem internet service costs $50+/month 02.46.43 # PsycoXul: get a WiFi enabled device and sit in a Starbucks. :) 02.47.40 # hehe 02.47.43 # i hate starbucks 02.47.45 # i don't drink coffee 02.47.47 # but uh 02.47.48 # yeah 02.47.55 # thats more or less what i was figuring i'd end up doing 02.48.22 # i just need to research the hows of that sorta thing before i invest in a CF wifi card 02.48.48 # the hows and wheres heh 02.51.03 # i just got one of these: http://casio.com/personalpcs/product.cfm?section=175&product=3980&display= 02.51.25 # got it for $114 including shipping and a free case, on ebay heh 02.51.52 # how is it? 02.51.57 # charging 02.51.58 # :p 02.52.02 # hehe 02.52.07 # it just arrived today 02.52.20 # and after it charges i need to start hacking it 02.52.25 # lol 02.52.27 # it's close to a pocketpc, but it's not 02.52.47 # it runs some weird custom version of wince3 02.53.01 # just patched tree.c so I can browse cvs-code on the rockbox it self :) 02.53.17 # and you can get a new shell, dll's, and such stuff like that to make it run more pocketpc apps 02.53.23 Nick edx`out is now known as edx (~edx@pD9EAADCB.dip.t-dialin.net) 02.53.46 # so i need to throw all that stuff on there and start trying to figure out how to get all that software thats out there to run on it hehe 02.53.52 # anyway, bbl dinner 02.54.00 # cya 02.55.20 Quit edx () 02.55.23 Quit Kshain () 02.56.31 # so I can go to bed, and still browse rockbox source 02.59.10 # I LOVE ROCKBOX!!!, 02.59.31 # I JUST tried the original JB Firmware OMFG HOW CRAPPY IS THAT SHIT! 03.08.01 # it isnt that bad 03.09.02 Quit BoD[] ("bue") 03.20.14 # yes it is 03.20.15 # :p 03.24.58 Quit Jet8810 ("Client Exiting") 04.18.04 Quit hardeep ("[BX] Ping-pong timeout") 04.22.49 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.51.46 Nick seb-away is now known as _seb_ (Sean@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 05.34.09 Nick _seb_ is now known as seb-sleep (Sean@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 05.59.07 Join statirablue [0] (statirablu@208-45-169-87.citynet.net) 06.00.50 Quit statirablue (Client Quit) 06.12.41 Join ClosetPacifist [0] (~ClosetPac@ppp24.ts1.Exmore.visi.net) 06.22.52 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.27.59 Join Kshain [0] (Kshain@216.83.45.17) 06.28.17 # hey everyone 06.33.38 # * ClosetPacifist waves. 06.34.08 # heh hello. 06.34.19 # my, a bunch of party animals in here 06.39.48 Part Kshain 07.01.42 #