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00.00.57 #       <TTmatt> (or is it SCMS?!) the rockbox fw sort of goes through the motions, but records silence
00.01.27 #       <Zagor> ok. i was under the impression that we ignored the scms bit, but i'm not 100% sure
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00.02.27 #       <TTmatt> it annoys me, cos the minidisc I'm using for coax digital out is marking my own personal stuff as copy-protected :(
00.03.25 #       <Zagor> yup. the beauty of consumer electronics. "all customers are thieves"
00.04.06 #       <TTmatt> I'd be really good if Rockbox does ignore it :)
00.05.29 #       <Zagor> TTmatt: have you double-checked the sampling frequency?
00.06.22 #       <TTmatt> does it have to match the source?
00.06.25 #       <Zagor> yes
00.07.37 #       <TTmatt> aah..  I'll just have a peek.. I suppose it'd be 48khz from a sony minidisc deck ?
00.08.11 #       <Zagor> i don't know, you'll have to check
00.09.15 #       <TTmatt> just tried 44.1 and 48 - both silent :(
00.09.30 #       <Zagor> are you sure you have the cable right?
00.09.47 #       <TTmatt> yeah, cos I can hear sound when i record using the archos fw
00.09.57 #       <Zagor> we had positive reports of digital recording long ago, so I know it *has* worked at least
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00.11.44 #       <TTmatt> well, It'd be a big bonus, but rockbox is fantastic already.. do you think this counts as a 'bug?
00.12.06 #       <Zagor> i'd suggest first posting a question to the list
00.12.51 #       <TTmatt> how do I do that? :)  (new to this!)
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00.13.48 #       <Zagor> TTmatt: go here: http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/
00.13.59 #       <TTmatt> thanks. You're a star!
00.14.08 #       <Zagor> :)
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00.20.14 #       <matsl> Zagor: Q about the usb-driver. why is it so slow to copy a file to the unit from unix but apparently much faster from windows?
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00.20.37 #       <duke_sam_vimes> hello all
00.20.57 #       <Zagor> matsl: is it? I have the opposite experience. which uhci module are you using?
00.21.01 #       <Zagor> duke_sam_vimes: hi
00.21.59 #       <matsl> Zagor: good question. How do I find out?
00.22.05 #       <Zagor> lsmod ?
00.22.23 #       <Zagor> skip the '?' :-)
00.23.17 #       <matsl> lsmod gives: usb-uhci               26156   0 (unused) ??
00.23.44 #       <matsl> aha I have just umounted. w8
00.24.19 #       <Zagor> matsl: try "time dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/null count=10 bs=1M"
00.25.29 #       <matsl> 10+0 records in
00.25.30 #       <matsl> 10+0 records out
00.25.30 #       <matsl> real    0m14.169s
00.25.30 DBUG    Enqueued KICK matsl
00.25.30 #       <matsl> user    0m0.000s
00.25.30 #       <matsl> sys     0m0.060s
00.26.22 #       <Zagor> 10 MB in 14 seconds isn't so slow
00.26.49 #       <ludo> Hello all... anyone has access to cvs today, or is it my connexion that is faulty ?
00.27.02 #       <Zagor> ludo: anonymous cvs is down at sourceforge
00.27.20 #       <ludo> anon ? So, If I have an account, it could work ?
00.27.26 #       <Zagor> http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=2352&group_id=1#cvs
00.27.38 #       <Zagor> ludo: yes, if you login it works
00.28.11 #       <Zagor> i'm not sure you're allowed to login, but you can always try :)
00.28.36 #       <ludo> Thank you Björn, I'll try... Huh, you're right, I may not, I just started to know about the project today =)
00.28.45 #       <TTmatt> Zagor - I've just worked out the digital recording problem - Operator error - I thought it wasn't working because (unlike the Archos firmware) you don't get to monitor the sound when you record. But it *is* working :)  Sorry for wasting your time!
00.28.46 #       <ludo> What am I to do to be accepted as a dev ?
00.28.52 #       <matsl> Zagor: OK. It might not be that slow but I have seen kjer doing a (connect usb cable, cp archos.mod, etc) and the whole process feels like 10 times faster than just doing the copying from my linux boxes.
00.29.04 #       <Zagor> ludo: submit good patches
00.29.47 #       <Zagor> matsl: ah, *that*. yes that is a shortcoming in the linux vfat driver. it must read the whole FAT before it can write the file.
00.30.20 #       <Zagor> I have been meaning to write a patch since we were in Spain this autumn, but I uh haven't had time...
00.30.49 #       <ludo> Zagor: I'll try to, but first I need to practise a little... I just bought my girlfriend a JBRFM, and I'm trying to solve the existing problems (display, buttons)... I just successfully compiled an image and put it on the device, now I have to figure whe the buttons are mapped (without opening it, that's the challenge... and because I have no tools right now =))) )
00.30.50 #       <matsl> Zagor: ok. Must get some sleep now. cu.
00.31.06 #       <Zagor> matsl: bye
00.31.11 #       <matsl> bye
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00.31.38 #       <Zagor> ludo: ok, nice having someone with an FM recorder.
00.32.06 #       <ludo> Yes, it seems scarce on this project =)
00.32.43 #       <Zagor> indeed
00.33.11 #       <ludo> I'm currently trying to modify the boot process to branch on a debug page showing the ports. I seem to have seen such a prog while (rapidly) browsing the sources. I'll keep people informed if I have some success.
00.33.26 #       <Zagor> ludo: you should probably start with ripping out most of the code and add one piece at the time
00.34.09 #       <Zagor> ludo: dbg_ports() in apps/debug.c 
00.34.20 #       <ludo> Yes, that's what I wanted to do. I'll first try to understand the boot process. Then add a display to check I can do it. Then monitor the ports (dbg_ports) =)
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00.40.06 #       <duke_sam_vimes> hey sorry to throw this in but has anybody had any experience of FreeBSD?
00.40.34 #       <Zagor> i haven't
00.40.41 #       <duke_sam_vimes> k
00.51.36 #       <duke_sam_vimes> im amazed at how many people ask for features that you rule out very clearly in the FAQ
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00.52.37 #       <Zagor> yes
00.53.14 #       <Zagor> well, i'm off to bed. see you
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02.02.34 #       <Kshain> I have a quick question on replacing the harddrive on my archos 10 gig studio
02.03.30 #       <Kshain> if anyone is here
02.05.45 #       <hardeep> Kshain: ask away
02.09.19 #       <Kshain> never mind actually
02.09.29 #       <Kshain> I just needed the size, but I found it
02.09.42 #       <Kshain> 9.5 right?
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03.45.15 #       <ricII> anom. cvs still down :
03.45.29 #       <ricII> :(
03.53.40 #       <ludo> Bye everyone, going to sleep. By the way, I just posted (mailing-list, and 'patch' on sourceforge) some preliminary support for the Recorder FM. If anyone has access to such a device, please test.
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04.06.44 #       <EGM92> hey anyone around?
04.07.36 #       <EGM92> I need to know something about the new rockbox versions
04.08.56 #       <EGM92> the scrolling is kinda screwed I dobnt know if this is normal or not, but the text keep going back and forth, is this is normal, is there anyway let it keep looping instead of going back and force across the screen?
04.28.52 #       <PsycoXul> thats the new bi-directional scrolling
04.29.08 #       <PsycoXul> i think you can configure it or something
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04.37.50 #       <EGM92> I hate the thing, my song titles r short and it's very hard to see which song im scrolling throguh
04.38.15 #       <PsycoXul> heh
04.43.08 #       <PsycoXul> so see if it has a config option
04.43.21 #       <EGM92> I searched throghu icouldn't find anything to change, I could only change the scroll speed
04.44.14 #       <PsycoXul> weird
04.59.30 #       <EGM92> yes very
04.59.53 #       <elinenbe> SO WEIRD
04.59.54 #       <EGM92> i really want to go back to the other version but in the older versions I get
05.00.09 #       <EGM92> my player turned off at like 80% battery life
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05.32.37 #       <glc> This is my first time on IRC.
05.43.21 #       <glc> Is all CVS down or just anaoymous?
05.43.29 #       <PsycoXul> anon
05.52.32 #       <glc> I just fixed a problem in mpeg.c, but forgot to save the old,
05.52.51 #       <glc> and can't check out the original.
05.52.56 #       <PsycoXul> heh
05.53.24 #       <glc> makes it hard to diff.
05.53.30 #       <PsycoXul> yeah
05.53.33 #       <PsycoXul> it would...
05.53.54 #       <elinenbe> what was the problem in mpeg.c?
05.55.20 #       <glc> With low bitrate MP3, low_watermark with 7 seconds
05.55.41 #       <elinenbe> glc: I DCC you the current mpeg.c CVS
05.55.54 #       <glc> of anti skip is still less than the 655536
05.56.04 #       <glc> byte dma size.
05.56.24 #       <glc> dma size should vary with bps.
05.57.31 #       <glc> I saw the DCC, but missed it.
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05.58.26 #       <glc> This is my first time in irc, and I have not quite
05.58.35 #       <glc> figured it all out yet.
05.59.21 #       <elinenbe> ah...
06.00.50 #       <elinenbe> glc: sent
06.04.14 #       <glc> Thanks !
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06.10.51 #       <glc> elinenbe: Thanks. Proper diff sent to Linus.
06.11.43 #       <elinenbe> glc: no problem
06.11.53 #       <elinenbe> glc: always looking for more developers
06.12.27 #       <glc> I guess I will have to send in my application.
06.12.41 #       <elinenbe> glc: <grin>
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08.16.04 #       <dwihno> HELLO HELLO! 
08.16.07 #       <dwihno> *waves*
08.17.14 #       <s0be> hi
08.17.27 #       <dwihno> How are you today? :-)
08.17.34 #       <dwihno> I read about the initial FM support, that is indeed good news!
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08.26.26 #       <matsl> morrn
08.26.39 #       <Zagor> morn
08.28.56 #       <dwihno> Guten morgen alle leute!
08.31.12 #       <dwihno> Guten heute alle leute (even better) ;)
08.40.30 #       <matsl> Zagor: No patch during the night for the folder-rename-delete bug?
08.40.49 #       <Zagor> no, we never figured out what was wrong did we?
08.41.10 #       <matsl> we didn't but I went to bed before you!
08.41.22 #       <Zagor> hehe
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08.50.46 #       <dwihno> Welcome back, Hardeep!
08.50.53 #       <dwihno> You too Zagor ;)
08.50.58 #       <Zagor> :)
08.51.34 #       <dwihno> I read about the FM patch, really neato! :-)
08.51.57 #       <hardeep> yeah, that's pretty cool
08.52.38 #       <Zagor> hardeep: when you fix bugs, set Resolution to Fixed.
08.53.03 #       <dwihno> Has anyone seen the batteries of the FM?
08.53.07 #       <Zagor> yay, FM patch!
08.53.21 #       <dwihno> Are there any major differences between the hardware on FM and recorder?
08.53.21 #       <Zagor> dwihno: they are custom jobs
08.53.29 #       <dwihno> Zagor: Oh why! :(
08.53.35 #       <Zagor> dwihno: yeah, an FM reciever :-)
08.54.13 #       <Zagor> dwihno: presumably because it allows them are more compact form factor. nearly all LiIon batteries used are custom made
08.55.01 #       <dwihno> Zagor: Is the FM more compact?
08.55.26 #       <Zagor> dwihno: well the design is a bit slimmer
08.56.29 #       <dwihno> Zagor: I wonder why they don't use those flat [_____________] batteries
08.56.34 #       <dwihno> You know which kind I mean?
08.57.17 #       <Zagor> uh, no
08.59.18 #       <dwihno> I think it's some kind of Sony thing
08.59.40 #       <dwihno> 3-4 mm thick, 5cm long, 8mm wide or such
09.00.30 #       <Zagor> I guess a custom single-mold unit gives you more power for the volume
09.01.32 #       <Schnueff_> moin
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09.07.18 #       <dwihno> Perhaps
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09.52.31 #       <dwihno> I can't see no CVS changes on the web page... Is there any other way to see?
09.55.36 #       <Zagor> the cvs list
10.03.05 #       <dwihno> where?
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10.03.51 #       <bobTHC> hi all!
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10.21.55 #       <dwihno> Bonjour, bob! :-)
10.22.01 #       <bobTHC> salut!
10.22.14 #       <dwihno> Saucisson! :)
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10.22.29 #       <Bagder> 'lo
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10.35.35 #       <Zagor> hi bagder. how do you feel about changing the dailies to use logged in cvs instead? at least until SF gets their act together
10.36.04 #       <Bagder> I don't use keys without password, so no can do
10.36.12 #       <Zagor> bager: and yes, please fix the scripts to build the FM version
10.36.20 #       <Zagor> ok
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10.36.40 #       <Bagder> pm1 is going bonkers atm, btw
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10.59.24 #       <bobTHC> what u feel about the H4x0r Language File??
10.59.34 #       <Bagder> I say why not
10.59.39 #       <bobTHC> we add it?
10.59.45 #       <Bagder> sure
10.59.57 #       <bobTHC> ok so i commit it...
11.01.16 #       <bobTHC> the pb is i only have the lng file but not the lang file... possibilty to make  it with binlang(reverse option)?
11.02.27 #       <Bagder> aha... well it is certainly possible, but...
11.02.39 #       <Bagder> I mean, there's no such option today
11.03.55 #       <bobTHC> so i let it in stanby....
11.05.05 #       <Zagor> yes
11.10.33 #       <Bagder> there's already a comment asking for the .lang, isn't it?
11.10.39 #       <Zagor> yes
11.10.52 #       <Bagder> so then it's up to that person to act
11.11.06 #       <Zagor> yes
11.12.05 #       <dwihno> Are there any major differences between the 1.4 version and the current CVS version which might cause problems when incorporating the FM fixes?
11.12.17 #       <Bagder> probably
11.14.35 #       <Bagder> the source has changed quite a bit since 1.4, all over
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11.43.26 #       <quelsaruk> hi
11.45.23 #       <bobTHC> hi
11.46.02 #       <quelsaruk> do you know if cvs in online, or is still off-line?
11.46.30 #       <Bagder> that only concerns anonymous cvs
11.46.39 #       <bobTHC> online!
11.46.40 #       <Bagder> but yes, that's still not working
11.46.53 #       <Bagder> it is?
11.47.03 #       <bobTHC> for me but for anonymous i dont know
11.47.14 #       <Bagder> "connect to cvs.curl.sourceforge.net:2401 failed"
11.47.20 #       <Bagder> still no go
11.47.28 #       <quelsaruk> ok
11.47.28 #       <quelsaruk> :)
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12.05.15 #       <quelsaruk> hi s0be
12.06.29 #       <s0be> yo
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12.14.00 #       <quelsaruk> hey.. fm support sounds great
12.14.05 #       <quelsaruk> :
12.14.07 #       <quelsaruk> :)
12.15.25 #       <dwihno> Darn, how long will anonymous CVS stay broken! :/
12.15.42 #       * dwihno wants to know all changes :-/
12.15.51 #       <quelsaruk> jajajajaja.. me too
12.16.25 #       <quelsaruk> i wanted to update spanish.lang but i can't get last english.lang :(
12.16.38 #       <quelsaruk> Bagder: do you have latest english.lang?
12.16.55 #       <Bagder> yes
12.17.20 #       <quelsaruk> could you send it to me, please?
12.17.23 #       <quelsaruk> :D
12.17.56 #       <Bagder> hang on
12.18.04 #       <quelsaruk> oki doki
12.18.41 #       <Bagder> http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox-co/
12.18.43 #       <Bagder> the latest cvs
12.18.58 #       <Bagder> you pick! ;-)
12.19.25 #       <Bagder> lunch time
12.19.26 #       * Bagder is away: I'm busy
12.19.43 #       <quelsaruk> thx!!
12.19.57 #       <quelsaruk> dwihno: we have latest cvs!!!!
12.22.23 #       <dwihno> quelsaruk: we do?
12.22.30 #       <quelsaruk> well...
12.22.32 #       <dwihno> :-D
12.22.57 #       <quelsaruk> bagder has latest cvs on his website ... 
12.23.02 #       <quelsaruk> so we have..
12.23.03 #       <quelsaruk> or not?
12.23.05 #       <quelsaruk> ;)
12.23.07 #       <dwihno> I just want to see the changes :-)
12.24.42 #       <quelsaruk> ahhhhhh
12.24.46 #       <quelsaruk> well...
12.24.59 #       <quelsaruk> then we haven't
12.25.01 #       <quelsaruk> :)
12.25.04 #       <quelsaruk> you win
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12.33.31 #       <s0be> yes, I aspire to make minimum wage as a fry cook
12.34.03 #       <s0be> so long as it's 40+ hours a week and within an hours bike ride of my apartment... I'd work there at this point
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12.42.55 #       * dwihno won! :)
12.43.59 #       <quelsaruk> dwihno: do you remember what we talked about HD's??
12.51.00 #       <dwihno> quelsaruk: What kind of HDs?
12.55.21 #       <quelsaruk> 1 min pliz
12.55.40 #       <quelsaruk> ok i'm here 
12.55.42 #       <quelsaruk> :)
12.56.17 #       <quelsaruk> about adapting a 2.5" hd to the PC
12.56.28 #       <quelsaruk> 2 days ago or so
12.56.31 #       <quelsaruk> i think
13.00.39 #       <dwihno> yeah
13.00.43 #       <dwihno> I found a really cool box
13.00.48 #       <dwihno> Which was powered from the USB socket
13.00.59 #       <quelsaruk> ummm
13.01.03 #       <quelsaruk> usb 2.0?
13.01.30 #       <dwihno> yes
13.01.33 #       <quelsaruk> umm
13.01.34 #       <dwihno> backwards compatible
13.01.35 #       <quelsaruk> interesting
13.01.40 #       <quelsaruk> how much?
13.01.59 #       <dwihno> About 75e
13.02.15 #       <quelsaruk> that's not expensive...
13.02.26 #       <quelsaruk> or no t *too* much
13.02.37 #       <quelsaruk> :)
13.02.57 #       <quelsaruk> do you have the link?
13.03.20 #       <dwihno> http://www.dustin.se/default.asp?ORIGIN=shopping/ProductDetail.asp?PID=5010044935
13.04.35 #       <Zagor> dwihno: don't trust usb power too much. you are only allwed to draw 500mA per hub, and that's not enough to spin up a disk
13.05.03 #       <Zagor> people make these boxes, and they mostly work. but they break the usb spec.
13.05.46 #       <dwihno> hm
13.05.53 #       <quelsaruk> ouch
13.06.08 #       <quelsaruk> and if you have an usb hub?
13.06.23 #       <quelsaruk> the hub gives extra power
13.07.20 #       <quelsaruk> or not?
13.07.21 #       <dwihno> Zagor: so attaching two such devices to a computer directly will not work?
13.08.20 #       <Zagor> dwihno: there is no will or will not. it may work. it may not. the spec says it will not, but many computers allow more power to be drawn than is specified. not all though.
13.09.08 #       <Zagor> quelsaruk: the hub also only guarantees 500mA
13.09.21 #       <quelsaruk> ok 
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13.10.23 #       <quelsaruk> so.. 75e is quite expensive for a test :)
13.10.39 #       <Bagder> not if you can return it if it doesn't work
13.10.43 #       <Bagder> which you should
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13.10.50 #       <Zagor> yes
13.12.06 #       <quelsaruk> well, it's like throwing a dice :)
13.12.26 #       <quelsaruk> who wants to bet?
13.12.27 #       <Bagder> no it isn't, the only loss is time and the postage fee
13.12.56 #       <quelsaruk> but i love risk ;)
13.13.01 #       <Bagder> :-)
13.14.06 #       <dwihno> I want to have it working on every computer! :(
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13.15.07 #       <quelsaruk> dwihno: and what about making your own 2.5" to 3.5" adaptor?
13.15.17 #       <dwihno> quelsaruk: That would not be cool! :-(
13.15.35 #       <quelsaruk> then you can connect it to a rack or to a free ide
13.15.55 #       <quelsaruk> dwihno: i know, but that will work always
13.15.57 #       <dwihno> I want to have it as an USB1/2 external disk! :-)
13.16.04 #       <quelsaruk> jajajaja
13.16.04 #       <dwihno> That is cool!
13.16.10 #       <dwihno> Ja ja ja, was ist los, was ist das
13.16.15 #       <quelsaruk> you want to be the coolest man in the world :P
13.16.26 #       <dwihno> not really
13.16.41 #       <dwihno> I think it is quite easy to bring your disk to your friend and copy files without having to shut down etc.
13.16.52 #       <quelsaruk> yes, i know
13.18.07 #       <dwihno> So stop nagging about using evilness adapters then! :)
13.18.07 #       <quelsaruk> i've used the jukebox to copy files from laptops.
13.18.33 #       <dwihno> Zagor: what would happen if the power is not sufficient?
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13.19.16 #       <Zagor> depends on what the usb hub designer had in mind..
13.19.55 #       <dwihno> USB Hub?
13.20.06 #       <dwihno> As in uhci/ohci-controller manufacturer?
13.20.17 #       <Zagor> yes
13.20.49 #       <dwihno> You really know how to make me uncertain! :-)
13.20.51 #       <dwihno> Shame on you!
13.20.52 #       <dwihno> :-)
13.20.53 #       <quelsaruk> dwihno: the hole pc will burn and the display will show something like "you should have used some kind of evilness adaptor" ;)
13.20.56 #       <Zagor> hehe
13.21.15 #       <dwihno> :-)
13.21.28 #       <Zagor> I don't think i've ever heard anyone toast a controller by drawing too much power, but that doesn't mean it can't happen
13.21.38 #       <quelsaruk> umm
13.21.47 #       <quelsaruk> i had that kind of problem once
13.22.01 #       <quelsaruk> with a usb powered external zip
13.22.23 #       <quelsaruk> windows just said i had not enough power for the zip
13.22.27 #       <quelsaruk> just that
13.22.30 #       <quelsaruk> :)
13.22.38 #       <Schnueff> heh
13.22.52 #       <Schnueff> it said 'you' but not 'the computer'? :)
13.23.09 #       <quelsaruk> yes.. windows hats me
13.23.19 #       <Schnueff> windows hates everyone
13.23.24 #       <Schnueff> therefore - don't play with it
13.23.25 #       <Schnueff> :)
13.23.28 #       <quelsaruk> "it" can feel me
13.23.36 #       <dwihno> :-)
13.23.53 #       <dwihno> I tested an USB zipdrive (250) too! It worked
13.24.10 #       <dwihno> (without extra power stuff)
13.24.47 #       <quelsaruk> dwihno: but the zip isn't a hd
13.24.48 #       <quelsaruk> :)
13.25.11 #       <dwihno> quelsaruk: Nah, but it has moving parts too!
13.25.20 #       <quelsaruk> jajajaja
13.25.45 #       <dwihno> Zagor: You know of "deltaco"? The gayest thing I've heard is when people pronounce it "del taco" :-)
13.26.23 #       <quelsaruk> gayest??
13.26.33 #       <dwihno> If you get a "not enough power" message, that is OK. As long as no hardware will get fried.
13.26.44 #       <dwihno> There's probably some kind of AC adapter to provide power
13.26.51 #       <dwihno> quelsaruk: Yes, gay, gayer gayest :-)
13.27.00 #       <quelsaruk> i know
13.27.28 #       <quelsaruk> but i've heard something gayest
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13.27.33 #       <quelsaruk> you know carrefour?
13.28.32 #       <CaPeTaO_HC[Gtr]> ahu
13.28.34 #       <quelsaruk> i've heard it pronounced something like" cairfur" like if it was english... 
13.30.50 #       <dwihno> carrefour?
13.30.54 #       <dwihno> sounds yummy
13.30.54 #       <quelsaruk> umm
13.31.06 #       <dwihno> Carre four! Muy bien! :D
13.31.07 #       <quelsaruk> how ca i explain it...
13.31.15 #       <quelsaruk> jajjajaja
13.31.18 #       <dwihno> Une hamburgesa con carrefour, porrfarbror
13.31.23 #       <quelsaruk> it's french
13.32.26 #       <dwihno> Un carrefour pour moi, s'il vous plait! Non! Avec saucisson! :-)
13.32.29 #       <Zagor> del taco is a much cooler name than delta co
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13.33.01 #       <dwihno> Zagor: It sounds so gay! I can't help bursting into a laughter hysteria whenever I hear that :-)
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13.33.25 #       <Zagor> gay == upliften, joyous. of course you laugh :)
13.33.41 #       <quelsaruk> see you later, must work a bit :)
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13.34.04 #       <Zagor> gay is a lousy adjective. just refuse it.
13.34.27 #       <dwihno> I can't
13.35.29 #       <dwihno> Zagor: If you check that image, http://www.deltaco.se/images/x22s.jpg - do you think the leftmost outlet is some kind of power thing?
13.35.49 #       <Zagor> definitely
13.37.06 #       <dwihno> ah, then there is no problem
13.37.19 #       <dwihno> Thank you, del taco for keeping such nice images for closer observation! :-)
13.37.27 #       <dwihno> What do you guys think of tacos btw?
13.40.03 #       <Bagder> cmdrtaco? ;-]
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13.45.59 #       <dwihno> That's computer nerd humour :-)
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13.46.08 #       <dwihno> You are a nerd if you understand that joke :)
13.46.28 #       <dwihno> When will Linus be back?
13.46.38 #       <Bagder> "in a few weeks" he said
13.46.55 #       <Bagder> but he's working on getting online soonish, from gbg
13.47.01 #       <dwihno> I hope he's having a swell time! :-)
13.47.39 #       <Bagder> I doubt swell is the word he'd use
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13.50.15 #       <dwihno> A time of a kebabtime? :)
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14.10.10 #       <quel|out> i'm back
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14.12.38 #       <quelsaruk> umm
14.12.42 #       <quelsaruk> what happens with linus?
14.13.16 #       <Bagder> Linus himself is OK afaik, but his wife is still not good
14.13.51 #       <quelsaruk> ouch
14.13.57 #       <dwihno> Ouch :-(
14.14.17 #       <quelsaruk> i wanted to ask him about his wife after chirstmas, but i haven't seen him yet. Now i know why
14.14.19 #       <quelsaruk> :(
14.22.26 #       <quelsaruk> Bagder: just one "stupid" question, and don't ask me why ;)
14.23.00 #       <quelsaruk> do we know how the digital out send info? i mean... frecuency and so on?
14.23.01 #       <Bagder> fire away
14.23.14 #       <Bagder> I don't know, I think so
14.23.26 #       <quelsaruk> and how could we know that?
14.23.46 #       <Bagder> I'm not the person to ask really
14.23.54 #       <quelsaruk> i suppose linus is the one
14.23.58 #       <Bagder> yes
14.24.07 #       <Bagder> ask on the list
14.24.12 #       <quelsaruk> ok
14.24.13 #       <quelsaruk> :)
14.24.25 #       <quelsaruk> i have a *small* problem
14.24.34 #       <quelsaruk> my jukebox has fallen a lot of times
14.24.47 #       <quelsaruk> aprox. from 1 m
14.25.22 #       <quelsaruk> it's everything ok, except once the ear output was damaged
14.25.32 #       <quelsaruk> now theres something loose there
14.25.52 #       <quelsaruk> and if i move the ear jack it powers off
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14.29.38 #       <dwihno> buy a new one and send the old one to Zagor for debugging/spare parts :)
14.31.12 #       * Zagor is the trash pile of the archos community
14.32.27 #       <quelsaruk> jajajaj
14.32.30 #       <quelsaruk> nonono
14.32.34 #       <quelsaruk> i love my archos
14.32.42 #       <quelsaruk> i have it for 1 and 1/2 year
14.33.20 #       <quelsaruk> :)
14.33.47 #       <quelsaruk> i was thinking in disassembling it and trying to solder whatever is broken
14.33.50 #       <quelsaruk> or...
14.34.00 #       <Zagor> that's probably a good idea
14.34.26 #       <quelsaruk> somehow building a digital-to-analog conversor
14.35.17 #       <quelsaruk> zagor, i've disassembled it, changed the 6 gb hd with a 30 gb hd... but i've never taken apart the electronics
14.35.41 #       <quelsaruk> :(
14.36.39 #       <dwihno> Isn't there a risk to break anything
14.36.43 #       <Zagor> it's pretty simple
14.36.46 #       <dwihno> I mean while disassembling the unit?
14.36.53 #       <Zagor> nah, not if you are careful
14.37.09 #       <quelsaruk> and without being careful
14.37.10 #       <quelsaruk> ;)
14.37.59 #       <quelsaruk> i suppose i will try
14.38.05 #       <quelsaruk> if i break something
14.38.20 #       <quelsaruk> i can send it to sweden and buy an FM or a recorder 20
14.38.20 #       <dwihno> how many years is the guarantee valid?
14.38.27 #       <quelsaruk> i dunno
14.38.35 #       <Zagor> quelsaruk: hehe
14.38.35 #       <quelsaruk> but i've void it a lot of times
14.38.37 #       <quelsaruk> :)
14.39.15 #       <quelsaruk> i like the "black plastic corners".. they are cooler than the "blue" ones
14.39.50 #       <quelsaruk> i'm thinking of stealing my brother's one.... it has just 1 week
14.40.00 #       <Zagor> hehe
14.40.15 #       <quelsaruk> it's mine... my treasure... (like gollum)
14.40.18 #       <quelsaruk> :)
14.40.43 #       * dwihno corrects quelsaruk, "my precious"
14.40.50 #       <quelsaruk> jajja
14.41.02 #       <quelsaruk> in spanisj it's mi tesssoorrrrooooo
14.41.06 #       <quelsaruk> treasure
14.41.09 #       <quelsaruk> ;)
14.41.22 #       <dwihno> Zorro :-)
14.41.32 #       <quelsaruk> :)
14.41.42 #       <quelsaruk> ummm.... i'm hungry, lunch time
14.41.51 #       <quelsaruk> cu! bbl
14.41.52 #       <Schnueff> fisheses
14.41.54 #       <quelsaruk> :)
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14.42.44 #       <Quel|lunch> zagor.. do you recomend me to disassemble the archos and try to solder that nasty contact?
14.45.06 #       <Zagor> yes
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15.00.13 #       <elinenbe> mornina all
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15.00.29 #       <elinenbe> I made silly commit last night.  I fix it up this morning
15.05.17 #       <Zagor> :-)
15.06.03 #       <Zagor> i'm off
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15.08.16 #       <Schnueff> who turned zagor off
15.08.30 #       <Bagder> I did, I got tired of him ;-)
15.08.38 #       <Schnueff> heh
15.09.14 #       <Schnueff> maybe we can send him some wake-up-packets via net
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15.42.30 #       <elinenbe> FM in da HOUSE!
15.42.39 #       <Bagder> :-)
15.43.14 #       <dwihno> FM FM FM!
15.43.24 #       <dwihno> Let's go crazy like true FM's!
15.52.41 #       <kargatis> tho i have to think, anyone who would listen to the radio vs their own mp3 collections either live in the best radio station area in the universe, or have the shittiest taste in music imaginable. :)
15.53.07 #       <kargatis> (yeah, i know about news, sports, etc - just jokin')
15.54.28 #       <dwihno> news+sports is all the FM is about
15.54.55 #       <dwihno> I dislike the FM because of the customized battery :-(
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15.57.06 #       <kargatis> what's its predicted lifetime, and what happens after that?
16.00.14 #       <Bagder> good q
16.00.28 #       <Bagder> I guess they expect you to buy a new one
16.03.22 #       <kargatis> my presumption is that you send it in for 'service'.
16.05.55 #       <dwihno> I think the FM should be boycotted because of the battery issue! :-)
16.15.01 #       <Bagder> now, if only cvs could work again
16.16.50 #       <dwihno> Got cool stuff up for committing?
16.17.01 #       <Bagder> already commited them
16.17.12 #       <Bagder> but I want the cvs stuff to get the automatic stuff on the web to work
16.17.19 #       <Bagder> and auto-build fm versions etc
16.18.18 #       <dwihno> mkay
16.18.21 #       <dwihno> So what's new?
16.18.42 #       <Bagder> you can select FM in the configure script, and then it builds an FM version of rockbox
16.19.08 #       <dwihno> neato :-)
16.19.22 #       <dwihno> Erasing files and dirs is not hazardous?
16.19.48 #       <Bagder> Renaming dirs seems to be ;-)
16.20.46 #       <dwihno> haha
16.20.51 #       <dwihno> what does it do? :_)
16.20.58 #       <dwihno> Fill the files with null's?
16.22.03 #       <Bagder> I don't know, I just know that matsl tried and he said it was not a success ;-)
16.25.00 #       <dwihno> You try it! :)
16.26.13 #       <elinenbe> seen LinusN
16.26.28 #       <dwihno> Still gone.
16.26.46 #       <elinenbe> erasing dirs is VERY hazardous.  It deletes the dir, but nothing in it!
16.27.34 #       <Hadaka> ouch!
16.28.45 #       <Bagder> logbot: seen linusn
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16.29.36 #       <Bagder> you can ask the bot in /msg
16.30.43 #       <dwihno> elinenbe: Oops. That should not be possible then until recursive deletion is in.
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16.37.37 #       <kargatis> ya think? :)
16.38.03 #       <Bagder> chicken! ;-)
16.39.30 #       <dwihno> :-)
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16.43.12 #       <wethion> Hey all, I'm back.  has there ever been discussion of incorporating support for ext2 into the rockbox firmware?
16.43.19 #       <Bagder> yes
16.43.28 #       <Bagder> we say NO WAY
16.43.31 #       <dwihno> (a short one)
16.43.33 #       <wethion> Bagder: why?
16.43.35 #       <dwihno> no NTFS either
16.43.41 #       <Bagder> because there is no point
16.43.52 #       <Bagder> rockbox can only start on a fat32 partition
16.45.57 #       <wethion> Bagder: Bleh.  so if you want to use the thing as a portable HD, you are stuck defragging it with win*.  Feh.
16.46.12 #       <Bagder> nope
16.46.20 #       <Bagder> you partion it the way you want
16.46.22 #       <Bagder> then mount it
16.46.30 #       <Bagder> it has nothing to do with rockbox
16.47.32 #       <Bagder> using ext2 on the archos works fine already
16.47.51 #       <wethion> Bagder: I misstated myself.  I want to use it for both mp3 player and HD.... OOhh.. two partitions, one fat32, the other ext2.  that'd work, n'est ce pas?
16.48.01 #       <Bagder> yes, that works
16.48.10 #       <Bagder> just make sure the fat32 one is the first
16.49.00 #       * wethion goes off to fdisk with glee. Thanks much!
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17.19.06 #       <dwihno> Is it dangerous to delete individual files, Bagder ?
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17.19.23 #       <Bagder> try!
17.19.25 #       <Bagder> ;-)
17.19.30 #       <Bagder> Zagor says it works
17.19.38 #       <dwihno> Heh
17.20.03 #       <dwihno> Zagor says this, Zagor says that
17.20.13 #       <dwihno> <Zagor> Don't trust Bagder, he's full of lies!
17.20.14 #       <dwihno> ;-)
17.28.50 #       <dwihno> Have a nice evening peeps!
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17.31.09 #       <Bagder> im off
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17.33.47 #       <wethion> Umm.. it's not in the docs, how do I 'eject' the archos under Linux?
17.34.41 #       <Schnueff> umount it
17.34.43 #       <wethion> I already unmounted is tho.
17.34.43 #       <Schnueff> then pull the plug
17.34.52 #       <wethion> Schnueff: easy enough.
17.34.54 #       <Schnueff> yes
17.35.16 #       <Schnueff> u might consider putting 'sync' in the mount options
17.35.32 #       <Schnueff> (in /etc/fstab)
17.40.30 #       <wethion> Wow. that is *so* fscking sweet.
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19.36.39 #       <ricII> i hope anom-cvs will come online soon, i feel left out :(
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20.51.20 #       <Goku_4658> n e 1 alive?
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20.59.01 #       <hardeep> barely
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21.09.41 #       <Bagder> rehi
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21.21.15 #       <hardeep> heya!
21.23.32 #       <Bagder> http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/nodo.html
21.25.34 #       <hardeep> hmmmm, recorder build broken with recent changes...  i'll fix
21.25.40 #       <Bagder> oh
21.26.15 #       <hardeep> heh, you never realize how much you rely on anon cvs until it's down
21.26.22 #       <Bagder> indeed
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21.26.43 #       <hardeep> could we perhaps create a dummy user and connect with that?
21.27.13 #       <Bagder> we could
21.27.15 #       <JunkeyWRK> hrmm..i notice that the fm20 is not listed in the no do
21.27.34 #       <Bagder> we half-support the fm20 already!
21.27.40 #       <JunkeyWRK> cool :))
21.27.50 #       <JunkeyWRK> that means you are working on it then?
21.28.02 #       <Bagder> when the cvs comes up, we'll have daily builds for the FM too
21.28.13 #       <JunkeyWRK> excellent
21.28.21 #       <JunkeyWRK> what's the cvs?
21.28.30 #       <Bagder> there aren't that many FM dudes fiddling with code atm, so it won't move very fast I guess
21.28.37 #       <Bagder> CVS is our source management system
21.28.40 #       <Bagder> for versioning etc
21.28.42 #       <JunkeyWRK> ah
21.29.09 #       <Bagder> we all use cvs to get the source and commit fixes etc
21.29.24 #       <JunkeyWRK> oh yeah, we use that..but it's pvcs
21.29.38 #       <JunkeyWRK> commercial version i think
21.29.47 #       <Bagder> pcvs is more like a rcs-clone
21.29.51 #       <Bagder> pvcs i mean
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21.30.07 #       <Bagder> imho, cvs beats pvcs any day
21.30.33 #       <JunkeyWRK> cvs is the open source version right?
21.30.37 #       <Bagder> yes
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21.32.42 #       <Quel|lunch> time to go home
21.32.53 #       <Bagder> long lunch! ;-)
21.33.02 #       <Quel|lunch> jajaja
21.33.05 #       <Quel|lunch> not really
21.33.15 #       <Quel|lunch> today i had my second class as teacher here in university
21.33.20 #       <Quel|lunch> well.. practice teacher
21.33.27 #       <Quel|lunch> but teacher :)
21.33.40 #       <Quel|lunch> and i forgot to change my nick
21.33.55 #       <Bagder> what did you teach?
21.34.11 #       <Quel|lunch> steel
21.34.12 #       <Quel|lunch> :)
21.34.18 #       <Quel|lunch> construcion materials
21.34.22 #       <Quel|lunch> construction
21.34.28 #       <Bagder> aha
21.34.43 #       <Quel|lunch> i'm finishing my studies in civil engieniering
21.35.07 #       <Quel|lunch> engeniering (i cant write quite.. i'm frozen)
21.35.23 #       <Quel|lunch> see you tomorrow
21.35.33 #       <Quel|lunch> ye
21.35.34 #       <Bagder> bye quel
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21.40.42 #       <Gokus_Away> hey badger?
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21.40.55 #       <Bagder> hey!
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21.41.25 #       <Goku_4658> i just wanted to ask if you minded me setting up a URL forward to the site
21.42.17 #       <Bagder> we don't mind getting more visitors, no ;-)
21.42.36 #       <Goku_4658> kool, thx
21.46.46 #       <Bagder> time to run
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22.41.09 #       <BoD[]> hello !!
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23.03.11 #       <ricII> yo
23.15.15 #       <Gokus_Away> when did yo say "Yo"
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23.27.30 #       <ricII> whats with all this file mangement stuff i been reading about?
23.28.45 #       <hardeep> ricII: file management stuff?  Zagor just added a way to delete and rename files...
23.28.55 #       <hardeep> is that what you're referring to?
23.29.36 #       <ricII> yes
23.31.01 #       <ricII> but I couldn't find a ui for it in tree.c
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23.31.54 #       <hardeep> ricII: it's in latest cvs...
23.31.59 #       <hardeep> ricII: ON+PLAY
23.32.13 #       <hardeep> of course, with anon cvs being down... you may not have the version with it
23.32.43 #       <ricII> anom cvs is still down, but got the latest sourceball.
23.32.50 #       <matsl> on the player it seems a little buggy. rename a folder and it is gone.
23.33.35 #       <hardeep> ricII: you mean the latest sourceball from the website?
23.34.37 #       <hardeep> that hasn't been updated either... i think the server scripts used anon cvs to get those files
23.34.52 #       <ricII> that explains it.
23.35.12 #       <hardeep> ricII: latest up to date tarball: hardeeps.freeshell.org/rockbox.tar.gz
23.36.45 #       <ricII> thx.. 
23.37.12 #       <ricII> i needed to work in tree.c to access my new functionality
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23.45.50 #       <ricII> I see a new screen :) queue,rename & delete
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