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00.00.43 #       <ricII> because playlist_get_resume_info() is only called from wps.c
00.02.19 #       <ricII> I explicite save settings when I change used lenght the patches file (which is never truncated for fragemention)
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00.07.12 #       <ricII|pub> getting a beer :)
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00.11.30 #       <sansa> Hi all.
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00.13.23 #       <sansa> Anybody have problems with the buttons on their jukebox wearing out?
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00.17.11 #       <kargatron> i suppose i expect to have that problem at some point in the future, but not yet, so far.
00.17.20 #       <kargatron> you mean the contacts?
00.17.22 #       <sansa> K
00.17.45 #       <sansa> Yeah, I think so... wevery once and awhile I've got to push kind of hard to get the + button to work.
00.18.02 #       <kargatron> the buttons are simple plastic overlays - if you lift the faceplate off, you might be able to see exactly where the problem is
00.18.24 #       <kargatron> (eg. the real button underneath, vs misaligned plastic above)
00.19.09 #       <sansa> Cool... it worked fantastic when I first got it, about nine months ago.. the silver has worn off the plastic.. 
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00.37.47 #       <Darsh> can anyone here help me out?
00.37.56 #       <kargatron> dunno
00.39.26 #       <sansa> That depends on what you need help with.
00.39.47 #       <Darsh> ok... i'm trying to get Rolo working
00.40.03 #       <Darsh> the problem is, I can't see the .mod file from the archos
00.40.34 #       <kargatron> hm, nnot sure about player stuff
00.40.41 #       <kargatron> but make sure file-view is set to 'all'
00.40.49 #       <Darsh> wheres that option?
00.40.51 #       <kargatron> and the .mod files should then be visible, if there
00.40.54 #       <kargatron> on the player, dunno
00.40.56 #       <kargatron> sorry
00.41.02 #       <Darsh> ok tahnks... let me see if i can find it
00.41.06 #       <kargatron> somewhere in the menu
00.41.12 #       <kargatron> under general settings
00.41.35 #       <Darsh> oh wow
00.41.36 #       <Darsh> haha
00.41.38 #       <Darsh> that worked
00.41.46 #       <Darsh> i can see it now
00.41.47 #       <Darsh> thanks
00.41.53 #       <Darsh> let me see if it'll work
00.44.10 #       <Darsh> I got an error.... to get it to work, i just need a blank .mod file, right?
00.45.19 #       <kargatron> hm, i only ever rolo'ed to an archos update, never tried a blank to go to the ROM version
00.45.25 #       <kargatron> dunno that either :)
00.45.44 #       <Darsh> the archos update will create a .mod file for me?
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00.46.48 #       <elinenbe> I'm back!
00.47.22 #       <kargatron> an archos update *is* a .mod file, which you would name like archos_blah.mod, and then play that.
00.47.40 #       <kargatron> but to get to original firmware that's on the ROM, i just don't happen to know
00.47.50 #       <Darsh> hmm... i just downloaded th latest, and its not a .mod... its a .ajz
00.49.00 #       <kargatron> you have player or recorder?
00.49.10 #       <Darsh> player... but nm, i just read i can rename it
00.49.13 #       <Darsh> let me test this out
00.49.14 #       <Darsh> tahnks
00.49.44 #       <Darsh> i need to have archos.mod (the rockbox one) in the root of the player, right?
00.49.52 #       <Darsh> but the other(s) can be elsewhere?
00.51.56 #       <kargatron> hm, i think so.  clear in the docs, no?  (i'm not looking atm)
00.52.17 #       <Darsh> i couldnt find much documentation on Rolo anywhere
00.52.24 #       <Darsh> just one part of that FAQ
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00.54.44 #       <Darsh> got another question... how stable are the daily builds?
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00.57.23 #       <kargatron> very, typically
00.57.30 #       <kargatron> most here use them
00.57.32 #       <Darsh> hmm
00.57.53 #       <Darsh> how often about do 1.#'s get released? is it relatively fast?
00.58.23 #       <kargatron> no
00.58.25 #       <kargatron> months
00.58.28 #       <Darsh> ah
00.58.28 #       <Darsh> ok
00.58.49 #       <Darsh> is it worth it to upgrade the daily builds every day? or should i just chill, and grab them every week or so?
00.59.18 #       <kargatron> the latter
00.59.20 #       <kargatron> ime
00.59.33 #       <kargatron> just keep eye out for features you like
00.59.52 #       <kargatron> no harm in sticking with a nice working daily, if more recent builds have nothing big added
01.00.02 #       <Darsh> true true
01.00.04 #       <kargatron> e.g. i was on 12/28 for a long time, then just recently upgraded
01.00.38 #       <Darsh> have you had or heard of any major problems using rockbox? i read about that thing with the drive being passworded.... is stuff like that common?
01.00.50 #       <Darsh> esp with daily builds?
01.01.13 #       <kargatron> no
01.01.24 #       <Darsh> thats good
01.01.32 #       <kargatron> those were probably special cases/situations.
01.01.39 #       <Darsh> i figured as much
01.03.08 #       <Darsh> your not one of the devs, are you?
01.05.07 #       <kargatron> no
01.05.11 #       <Darsh> ok
01.05.20 #       <kargatron> part-time feature request janitor, and full-time user :)
01.05.23 #       <Darsh> heh
01.05.55 #       <Darsh> the 1.4 zip contained a folder with a bunhch of languages, and system.wps.... the dail build doesnt
01.06.02 #       <Darsh> do i need any of those
01.06.11 #       <Darsh> (english language one i mean)
01.06.29 #       <kargatron> no
01.06.45 #       <kargatron> you're using rockbox now, right?  
01.06.53 #       <Darsh> yeah
01.06.57 #       <Darsh> 1.4
01.07.23 #       <kargatron> you should definitely go to a daily, i think, lots of new features
01.07.30 #       <Darsh> allright
01.07.41 #       <kargatron> tho i have a recorder, and don't keep track of player features
01.07.42 #       <Darsh> yesterday's allright? or is there a oldfer one youd recommend?
01.07.46 #       <Darsh> ah
01.07.48 #       <Darsh> haha ok
01.07.49 #       <Darsh> tahnks
01.08.36 #       <Darsh> i dont need english.lng? it will automatically be english?
01.08.57 #       <kargatron> yeah
01.09.02 #       <Darsh> ok
01.09.14 #       <Darsh> and the system.wps, thats something for the display, right?
01.09.40 #       <kargatron> the default one - perhaps the file is for an example
01.09.52 #       <Darsh> ok... is it hard to make your own?
01.10.18 #       <kargatron> text editor
01.10.37 #       <kargatron> there's a page on it on the site, under docs
01.11.01 #       <Darsh> right, but is it complicated to make one?
01.11.38 #       <kargatron> to get exactly what you want, maybe.
01.11.44 #       <kargatron> depends on your preference
01.11.50 #       <Darsh> ok
01.12.03 #       <kargatron> mines kinda complicated, but gives me what i want.  but i have many lines to play with on recorder - player's only two
01.12.49 #       <Darsh> yeah true
01.12.57 #       <Darsh> i kinda wish i had known abot that before hand
01.12.58 #       <Darsh> oh well
01.13.19 #       <Darsh> i also kinda wish i had gotten the mpeg player one ;)
01.15.43 #       <kargatron> no rockbox for that one
01.16.13 #       <Darsh> true, but video and color ;)
01.16.53 #       <Darsh> hmm it looks simpler then i thought
01.18.55 #       <Darsh> tahnks for all your help man, i gotta go, might be back later if i need more help :)
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01.25.01 #       <adi|work> Is Jason Clark here
01.25.02 #       <adi|work> ?
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01.43.51 #       <diddystar5> how do iuse the chip8 games? do i edit the makefile? im am using cygwin
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02.14.10 #       <PsycoXul> and then there's ton's of molds and jellies in the room they're coming from
02.14.12 #       <PsycoXul> er
02.14.13 #       <PsycoXul> doh
02.19.01 #       <_seb_> intriguing...
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02.36.18 #       <Simeon> Hello. I purchased a FM Recorder tonight, and so far have been unsuccessful in getting any of your builds to boot .... does it boot yet? :)
02.36.54 #       <Nibbler> think so, but im not sure
02.36.54 #       <Simeon> with the newest build, i see the Rockbox logo flash, and then the device immediately shuts down.
02.37.03 #       <Nibbler> :|
02.37.49 #       <Nibbler> i think i heard ppl talking bout them using rockbox on FM, but as i am a n00b myself....
02.38.00 #       <Simeon> hm... heh :)
02.38.06 #       <Jet8810> hmm
02.38.33 #       <Jet8810> is there any difference between the Music Match that comes with Archos MP3s and the Music Match that is free on their website?
02.39.10 #       <Nibbler> what is music match used for?
02.39.46 #       <Jet8810> play mp3s/rip/make playlists
02.39.46 #       <Jet8810> ect
02.41.32 #       <Nibbler> ill install it too tehn, maybe its better than the old audio catalyst i use...
02.42.30 #       <Jet8810> heh
02.42.32 #       <Jet8810> its awesome
02.42.39 #       <Nibbler> is it?
02.42.44 #       <Jet8810> I think so
02.42.46 #       <Jet8810> default mp3 player now
02.42.49 #       <Jet8810> bye bye winamp
02.42.55 #       <Nibbler> seriously???
02.42.57 #       <Nibbler> hrml
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02.47.27 #       <Jet8810> yea
02.50.00 #       <Jet8810> hmm
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02.50.16 #       <Darsh> hi
02.50.17 #       <Jet8810> I wonder if a music match liscnese allows for unlimited installations on pcs in one home legally
02.50.20 #       <Darsh> i have another question
02.50.23 #       <Jet8810> software allows it but dont want to steal
02.50.46 #       <Darsh> when i upgrade to a new daily build, my settings get reset?
02.51.01 #       <Nibbler> Darsh: maybe, depends on the changes in the build
02.51.12 #       <Darsh> ok
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02.51.16 #       <Darsh> thank you
02.52.10 #       <Jet8810> heh yea
02.52.15 #       <Jet8810> thats why I dont get new daily builds anymore
02.52.19 #       <Jet8810> I change every few weeks
02.59.03 #       <Darsh> it says if i make a custom .wps, and then run it, it will continue to be used
02.59.14 #       <Darsh> it also says i have to put it in .rockbox to have it load when i start
02.59.22 #       <Nibbler> where do i find the key for my musicmatch? :|
02.59.29 #       <Darsh> that's kinda contradictory
03.03.34 #       <Darsh> is there a bug with yesterdayd build? itr says my HD is completely empty
03.03.39 #       <Darsh> whcih is false
03.03.43 #       <Darsh> its like 4 gigs full
03.07.19 #       <Darsh> hmm nevermind i found a bug report about it
03.11.23 #       <Nibbler> where on the CD/recorder/box/manual is the key for musicmatch?
03.14.59 #       <Jet8810> lol Nibbler
03.15.01 #       <Jet8810> see that paper case thing?
03.15.03 #       <Jet8810> look on the back
03.15.07 #       <Jet8810> the case thing the cd is in
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03.15.28 #       <Simeon> damn ... just made my first recording
03.15.43 #       <Simeon> sounds ... horrible. i hope i just chose something bad to record.
03.15.44 #       <Jet8810> heh
03.15.55 #       <Jet8810> you need a mic to record though right?
03.15.59 #       <Jet8810> or is there a mic on the recorder
03.16.01 #       <Jet8810> ?
03.16.04 #       <Simeon> no, i have my own mic
03.16.06 #       <Nibbler> there is build in mic
03.16.09 #       <Simeon> sounds great on my MD recorder
03.16.15 #       <Simeon> sounded like crap on what i just recorded
03.32.00 #       <Simeon> wow ... what a terrible disappointment
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03.32.33 #       <Simeon> not only does the unit itself produce a TON of noise when monitoring, but it's analog line seems to be horrendously bad ...
03.32.43 #       <Simeon> I hope they take this thing back tommorow...
03.33.14 #       <ricII> lol
03.33.28 #       <Simeon> :(
03.33.43 #       <Simeon> i was hoping i had finally found something that'd allow me to make good digital recordings
03.33.57 #       <Simeon> and not be limited by minidiscs suckage
03.33.58 #       <ricII> a MD recorder?
03.34.33 #       <Simeon> yeah, Sony MZ-R700
03.35.01 #       <ricII> Oh you mean the archos record capabilities...
03.35.06 #       <Simeon> right
03.35.16 #       <Simeon> with a nice microphone
03.35.28 #       <Simeon> side-by-side comparison with my md recorder
03.35.34 #       <Simeon> it gets blown away
03.35.56 #       <ricII> well what did you expect...
03.36.03 #       <Simeon> uhm
03.36.23 #       <Simeon> it to make good recordings? ... is that too much to expect?
03.36.44 #       <ricII> 160kb mp3 ???
03.37.18 #       <Simeon> i don't think that's the issue. 
03.37.42 #       <Simeon> just side by side monitoring before i actually record, there's a huge difference
03.39.11 #       <ricII> to me is the archos is a great toy, a protable hd which happens to play mp3...
03.40.25 #       <Simeon> unfortunately, that's not what i was looking for
03.40.35 #       <Simeon> i'm a professional who makes field recordings
03.40.46 #       <ricII> nothing serious compared to e.g. class A tube amp..
03.41.31 #       <ricII> portable DAT recorder is what you need..
03.42.02 #       <Simeon> heh ... well ... professional-minded hobbyist :)
03.42.17 #       <ricII> a/d converters are much better..
03.42.38 #       <Simeon> 160k VBR + 20 Gig Drive would be great ....
03.43.24 #       <ricII> using digital in is probly much better...
03.43.36 #       <Simeon> heh
03.43.43 #       <Simeon> unfortunately i don't have a digital mic :)
03.44.15 #       <ricII> for rockbox is the fun part..
03.44.33 #       <ricII> insert "me:  ...
03.46.20 #       <ricII> could you image having a g4@667mhz laptop and not be able to play dvd smootly.
03.47.01 #       <ricII> been reality to me for more than a year... (just because I refuse to use crapos)
03.49.29 #       <ricII> because of the archos I had to recode all my ogg's to mp3 :(
03.49.37 #       <PsycoXul> heh
03.49.44 #       <PsycoXul> ricII: yeah i hate that
03.50.01 #       <PsycoXul> i wish it played ogg or that i could hook it up as storage for my pda
03.50.32 #       <ricII> ogg won't be posible :( 
03.51.52 #       <ricII> PsycoXul: the archos has a serial port...
03.52.07 #       <PsycoXul> yeah
03.52.25 #       <PsycoXul> well 20G doesn't do you much good accessing it through 9600bps
03.52.54 #       <PsycoXul> my pda can play ogg, divx, mpeg, etc
03.53.04 #       <ricII> lucky you..
03.53.06 #       <PsycoXul> but serial port's too slow for that
03.54.16 #       <ricII> well my lap can do lot of things (out preforming most) but it not as protable as the archos :(
03.54.26 #       <PsycoXul> yeah
03.54.27 #       <PsycoXul> heh
03.55.22 #       <ricII> it even has a bigger screen then my TV :( (14" tv)
03.55.29 #       <PsycoXul> hehe
03.56.32 #       <ricII> but I laid my eye on a 22" digital screen :) tv-cards are cheap..
04.01.28 #       <ricII> my pda still works for me  mc218 (formaly known as psion mx5)
04.01.39 #       <PsycoXul> heh
04.02.08 #       <PsycoXul> mine's a cassiopeia be-300
04.02.17 #       <ricII> 128mb cfcard..
04.03.06 #       <PsycoXul> i've got an 8mb heh
04.03.13 #       <PsycoXul> the one that came with my parents' digital camera
04.03.39 #       <PsycoXul> i'll probably get a 256mb 
04.03.44 #       <PsycoXul> or bigger if i get a good deal
04.04.16 #       <ricII> stole it from my gf (she has 1g cfdrive for her nikon)
04.04.25 #       <PsycoXul> hehe
04.05.03 #       <PsycoXul> being able to play divx's, i don't really wanna spend so much money on something <1G
04.05.28 #       <PsycoXul> but i gotta remember i only got it for taking notes and having a dictionary and such type of stuff anyway
04.05.42 #       <ricII> :)
04.06.16 #       <ricII> I use it as timetracking tool / agenda
04.06.36 #       <PsycoXul> oh yeah
04.06.43 #       <PsycoXul> i use it to remind me of stuff too
04.06.48 #       <PsycoXul> heh
04.06.51 #       <ricII> i sould be able to email use ir phone etc..
04.07.09 #       <PsycoXul> mine doesn't have ir
04.07.58 #       <ricII> superseeded by bluetooth anyways now..
04.08.40 #       <ricII> but I could use it to control the tv (if it had a remote)
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06.09.58 #       <Darsh> are there any other programs like Rockbox
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06.09.59 #       <Darsh> ?
06.10.09 #       <Darsh> (just outtta curisty, very happy with it as is)
06.11.05 #       <adi|work> in what sense?
06.11.18 #       <adi|work> firmware replacements 4 the archos?
06.13.18 #       <Darsh> yeah
06.15.01 #       <elinenbe|sleep> adi|work: you know how to use patch?
06.15.22 #       <adi|work> a little.. whats up?
06.15.26 #       <adi|work> Darsh: not that i know of
06.15.32 #       <elinenbe|sleep> adi|work: I know how to use it, but that latest patch on the mailing list, I can not get to use.
06.15.45 #       <Darsh> ok thats what i figured
06.15.45 #       <elinenbe|sleep> usually it is "patch -p0 -i patch_file"
06.15.46 #       <adi|work> ahh.. i don't play with mailing list patches :)
06.15.47 #       <Darsh> thanks
06.15.50 #       <adi|work> nods
06.15.54 #       <adi|work> your welcome darsh
06.15.54 #       <elinenbe|sleep> oh... okay
06.17.15 #       <elinenbe|sleep> well, I think my retartedness is on.
06.22.34 #       <adi|work> of course it is.. your hanging out here :)
06.22.38 #       <adi|work> okay.. time to head home
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06.23.23 #       <Darsh> adi|work: your a dev?
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06.29.38 #       <Guest> Hi I broke my LCD display on a 5000 archos I was wondering if anyone knows a source for a replacment?
06.30.04 #       <adi|work> yeah darsh
06.30.12 #       <adi|work> im a bit behind on doing anything, but yuppers
06.30.16 #       <adi|work> i maintain the FAQ
06.30.35 #       <adi|work> and um.. was one of the ppl that made tetris playable
06.30.42 #       <adi|work> and several of the icons are mine
06.30.47 #       <adi|work> and other minor fixes
06.30.51 #       <adi|work> thats about it right now :)
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06.32.14 #       <adi|work> hmm
06.32.27 #       * adi|work is away: driving home msg adi|home if you need me
06.32.41 #       * adi|work is away: [driving home msg adi|home if you need me]
06.32.45 #       <adi|work> fuck it
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07.09.43 #       <tantus> hey y'all.  anyone awake?
07.11.53 #       <adi|home> i am
07.12.45 #       <tantus> I think I just answered my question.  I couldnt find how to record using rockbox..  but I think I need to download a newer set of files
07.13.19 #       <adi|home> what version are you running
07.13.47 #       <tantus> 1.4
07.14.36 #       <adi|home> thats why
07.14.38 #       <tantus> I was all excited to use the thing at a music session I play in and I couldnt find 'record' heh.
07.14.50 #       <adi|home> if you read the release notes on 1.4 you will not see recording listed
07.14.51 #       <tantus> will a daily build be safe?
07.15.03 #       <adi|home> define 'safe' :)
07.15.27 #       <tantus> 'safe enough'
07.16.00 #       <adi|home> well.. it shouldn't crash your unit
07.16.08 #       <adi|home> but expect some features to be buggy
07.16.15 #       <adi|home> rename/delete/record
07.16.18 #       <tantus> hm
07.16.21 #       <adi|home> namely anything that was/isnt' in 1.4
07.16.28 #       <adi|home> but i use the daily build everyday
07.16.34 #       <adi|home> well.. bleeding edge actually
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07.16.41 #       <adi|home> <- is a developer :)
07.17.01 #       <tantus> hey, you guys have a nice piece of software going, I'm impressed
07.17.14 #       <adi|home> thank you
07.17.19 #       <adi|home> but there are _alot_ of ppl
07.17.24 #       <adi|home> just look at the credits list :)
07.17.25 #       <tantus> I saw
07.17.32 #       <adi|home> so you saw rockbox on someone else's unit huh?
07.17.34 #       <tantus> thats why I said you guys
07.17.42 #       <adi|home> :)
07.17.53 #       <adi|home> and praise is always accepted btw ;)
07.17.54 #       <tantus> adi|home:  nope, just ran across the website when I was looking for the linux driver
07.18.00 #       <adi|home> lol
07.18.08 #       <adi|home> yeah.. that how i got involved at the very starrt
07.18.19 #       <adi|home> first month i was dieing to help, but it was all low level device stuff...
07.18.31 #       <adi|home>  i couldn't do anything till the simulator was working :)
07.18.54 #       <adi|home> i take it your on linux?
07.18.56 #       <tantus> I would be dying to help, but all I know is hello world in C
07.18.59 #       <adi|home> doh.. nm
07.19.02 #       <adi|home> tired.. missread
07.19.11 #       <adi|home> bah.. thats okay
07.19.16 #       <adi|home> you can help with documentation
07.19.23 #       <adi|home> or keeping the feature list/bug list clean
07.19.27 #       <adi|home> stuff like that
07.19.34 #       <adi|home> or just hang here and answer questions
07.19.40 #       <adi|home> or submit bug reports
07.19.48 #       <adi|home> or send me a beautiful naked blond
07.19.51 #       <adi|home> woman that is
07.19.52 #       <tantus> I'm going to mess around with it more first, but I'm falling in love with the thing.
07.20.25 #       <tantus> heh, the internet is full of porn
07.21.47 #       <adi|home> lol
07.22.04 #       <adi|home> but there is plenty for non coders to do :)O
07.22.18 #       <tantus> I might take you up on that in the future
07.22.27 #       <adi|home> just public relations to get more converts is huge :)
07.23.09 #       <tantus> a quick question, what brand of laptop harddrive is best for swapping, in terms of shock resistance and so forth?
07.23.33 #       <adi|home> that i have no idea about
07.23.39 #       <tantus> ahh
07.23.44 #       <adi|home> if you want, post it to the maillist that you are looking for suggestions
07.23.47 #       <tantus> I want to put a 40 gigger in there :)
07.23.48 #       <adi|home> someone is bound to answer
07.23.51 #       <adi|home> hehehe
07.25.46 #       <tantus> I'll probably be dropping in here from time to time though
07.28.34 #       <tantus> another quick question, can you tell battery status when it is plugged into usb?  also, does it charge via usb at all?
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07.47.15 #       <tantus> hmm, daily builds dont seem to work
07.48.05 #       <dwihno> tantus: what target?
07.48.20 #       <tantus> ajbrec.ajz
07.49.09 #       <tantus> it justs boots to the normal os
07.50.02 #       <tantus> 1.4 works though
07.50.58 #       <tantus> using the last two daily builds...
07.51.24 #       <dwihno> I got a copy of the bleeding edge last night which worked flawlessly, and there has been no changes since.
07.52.44 #       <tantus> I think its working now, for some reason.
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07.53.17 #       <tantus> or not...
07.53.28 #       <tantus> still booting 1.4
07.53.43 #       <tantus> doh
07.56.07 #       <dwihno> Make sure the filenames are correct
07.56.25 #       <dwihno> Which _must_ be ajbrec.ajz
07.57.29 #       <tantus> I did, it's not loading
07.57.33 #       <tantus> 1.4 loads fine though
07.58.01 #       <tantus> I turned it off, unplugged usb, turned it back on and it boots the original os
08.00.24 #       <dwihno> Try the bleeding edge
08.00.40 #       <tantus> ok
08.01.14 #       <dwihno> What OS do you use?
08.01.25 #       <dwihno> Remember to use the "safe removal of device" thing, if you use Wintendo
08.02.06 #       <tantus> I'm a linux user..
08.02.33 #       <dwihno> okay
08.02.45 #       <tantus> the file shows as there, but doesnt boot..
08.03.25 #       <dwihno> How did you download the file?
08.03.34 #       <tantus> browser
08.05.55 #       <dwihno> Did you "save link as" ?
08.06.07 #       <tantus> ok, I got it to work for some reason
08.06.55 #       <tantus> I was copying as root the first time, other time I copied as a normal user
08.13.20 #       <tantus> thanks for the suggestions though
08.13.35 #       <dwihno> Whoa.
08.13.46 #       <dwihno> How did you mount it?
08.14.32 #       <tantus> mounted it as root and copied the file as a normal user
08.14.52 #       <tantus> I have it set up in fstab so that any user can access the mount point
08.19.28 #       <dwihno> ah, okay.
08.19.37 #       <dwihno> Including overwriting?
08.20.00 #       <tantus> it should.
08.20.20 #       <dwihno> ah
08.23.00 #       <adi|home> tantus.. to anwer you questions: no we don't charge via usb
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08.23.23 #       <adi|home> and i beleive there that there was recently a status bar added to the usb screen so you can see the battery when on usb
08.23.42 #       <tantus> adi|home:  I just saw :) got bleeding edge to finally work
08.24.01 #       <adi|home> wooo hoo
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09.11.07 #       <adi|home> yeah? like what?
09.21.55 #       <dwihno> My WPS is bugging
09.22.09 #       <dwihno> Moving around makes .mp3 files show the extension after "unselecting" them
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09.53.33 #       <quelsaruk> cold morning to all 
09.57.26 #       <adi|home> morning
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09.57.57 #       <quel|out> time to work
09.58.00 #       <quel|out> cu!
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10.11.36 #       <Bagder> hey
10.23.08 #       <matsl> ho
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10.23.20 #       <adi|home> bagder did you follow that key lock buisness feature request?
10.23.36 #       <Bagder> only slightly
10.24.13 #       <adi|home> okay... long and short of it was that it sounded _alot_ like the password protect feature someone wanted long ago, so i rejected it, but didn't close it
10.25.13 #       <Zagor> adi|home: on the other hand, people who don't know about the usb access 
10.25.30 #       <Zagor> might actually be stopped by a Rockbox pin lock
10.25.44 #       <adi|home> right, but its a completely useless function
10.25.56 #       <adi|home> the argument of 'so i can leave my unit unattended' doesn't stand up
10.26.06 #       <adi|home> its not like having to shutdown a laptop and carry it around
10.26.11 #       <Zagor> I agree
10.26.44 #       <adi|home> i agree with you that they may not know about the usb buisness (or even have the correct cable)
10.27.06 #       <Zagor> Bagder: have you made a page about the build status web page yet? I get requests about it every now and then.
10.27.21 #       <adi|home> build status?
10.27.36 #       <Zagor> yeah, the red/green table
10.27.48 #       <Bagder> no, only for the recent-changes-on-cvs stuff
10.27.55 #       <adi|home> ahh.. okay...
10.28.01 #       * adi|home is away: sleep
10.28.41 #       <Bagder> Zagor: you may direct them to me, the scripts are really very specific for rockbox and not very general-purpose
10.28.52 #       <Zagor> Bagder: ok, i'll forward the mails I get
10.33.05 #       <Bagder> btw, I'm voting for a feature-freeze soonish
10.33.14 #       <Bagder> we need a 2.0
10.33.39 #       <Zagor> yes
10.33.52 #       <Zagor> MT, are you there?
10.34.26 #       <Zagor> Bagder: we should just polish the recording GUI a bit. will you have any time for that today?
10.34.34 #       <matsl> Zagor: the pin lock you talked about. Is that considered useless?
10.34.43 #       * dwihno nags about the bugging scroll ;-)
10.34.53 #       <Bagder> Zagor: not today, I'll focus on getting some new graphics bugs corrected
10.35.05 #       <Bagder> dwihno: you tried the very latest?
10.35.09 #       <Bagder> and it still bugs?
10.35.32 #       <dwihno> Bagder: I will test, but the CVS changes does not indicate anything that might have fixed the bugginess.
10.35.36 #       <dwihno> I'll test however.
10.35.46 #       <Bagder> you just don't read the comments good enough ;-)
10.35.56 #       <Zagor> dwihno: much is fixed
10.35.58 #       <Bagder> and my mail explained reasons
10.38.11 #       <Bagder> although some new bugs appeared ;-/
10.39.16 #       <Zagor> dwihno: the twiching was probably a double-scroll. and those are fixed.
10.39.16 #       <Zagor> hehe
10.39.28 #       <adi|home> matsl no i did
10.39.45 #       <adi|home> zagor didn't say what he thought about it ;)
10.40.15 #       <Bagder> Zagor: I believe that the fact that lcd_stop_scroll() previously refreshed the screen and now it doesn't, make some errors appear that was hidden before
10.40.46 #       <Zagor> Bagder: do you plan to fix the frequent status/clock update?
10.41.06 #       <Bagder> yes, but first I'll correct the normal browsing bugs
10.41.31 #       <Bagder> just walking up and down in the dir browser bugs
10.41.42 #       <Zagor> ouch
10.43.06 #       <matsl> adi|home: Just by describing it as a pin lock indicated to me that it might infact not be considered useless.
10.43.32 #       <adi|home> right.. but how do you 'lock
10.43.40 #       <adi|home> a unti that can 'walk away' easily?>
10.43.48 #       <adi|home> i just don't get the point of it
10.44.23 #       <adi|home> hmmm make for bleeding edge
10.44.27 #       <dwihno> Zagor: First bug. I choose show files: music in F2. After "unselecting" a file, the old selection will also show file extension
10.44.38 #       <adi|home> we really need to stop it from running through the dependancies when you run make clean
10.44.41 #       <adi|home> seems pointless
10.45.29 #       <Bagder> I agree ;-)
10.45.49 #       <adi|home> im just not sure how to prevent it from being called
10.47.14 #       <matsl> adi|home: a pin lock wouldn't protect agains theft but it would protect you from your 5 year old that just seen how to turn the unit on from doing bad things to it. That sort of protection.
10.47.53 #       <Schnueff> failed to enter pin resulting in 'read-only mode' could also be nice
10.48.14 #       <Schnueff> so you can take the thing to a party and avoid people deleting something
10.48.26 #       <adi|home> id be more worried about a 5 year old dropping or breaking the unit then deleting files
10.48.39 #       <adi|home> but... ill fall back on the old 'show me the code'
10.48.39 #       <adi|home> :)
10.49.44 #       <dwihno> Zagor: acknowlegde, s'il vous plait
10.50.19 #       <matsl> adi|home: I was more thinking in terms of rejecting it not because is is "useless" but "not that usefull" ;-)
10.50.29 #       <adi|home> hehehe
10.50.53 #       <adi|home> i refuse to be a packrat
10.51.08 #       <adi|home> anything not of immediate use or importance is best ignored ;)
10.51.31 #       <adi|home> which would explain why my gf is always mad at me when its kernel compile time
10.51.47 #       <Schnueff> never touch a rocking system :)
10.53.41 #       <Zagor> dwihno: ACK
10.54.02 #       <Zagor> looks pretty funny :-)
10.54.41 #       <Zagor> btw, on returning from the filter selection the cursor should stay on the same file. as it does when renaming/deleting
10.55.08 #       <dwihno> Zagor: My WPS also looks funny, I'll try checking some more
10.55.24 #       <Zagor> it does? my wps looks good
10.57.24 #       <Bagder> that dir browser thing is my fault
10.57.25 #       <dwihno> It glitches (well, it glitched last night)
10.57.38 #       <dwihno> whoa!
10.57.41 #       <dwihno> Blinking scroll! :D
10.58.04 #       <dwihno> it should display (root)
10.58.42 #       <dwihno> Instead, it scrolls the current pwd (blinking)
10.58.48 #       <dwihno> It's a conditional WPS
11.00.02 #       <dwihno> Want a copy
11.00.03 #       <dwihno> ?
11.00.30 #       <dwihno> It used to work perfectly earler (but with the twitching)
11.02.28 #       <Zagor> talk to bagder, he's fixing the display code
11.03.25 #       <Bagder> and I say hold your horses, fixes are pending
11.03.35 #       * Zagor is holding his horse
11.04.48 #       <Bagder> I vote for removal of that newline-on-semicolon stuff from rockbox-style.el
11.04.58 #       <Bagder> it annoys me a lot
11.05.12 #       <Zagor> whoa, me too. even though I've never even tried it. :-)
11.05.41 #       <Schnueff> good for for(;;) ? :)
11.06.20 #       <dwihno> Hold your horses tonight (E-type) :-)
11.06.31 #       <Bagder> matsl: what is it that makes that behavior?
11.06.35 #       <dwihno> Zagor: E-type will go to Skellefteċ in february!
11.06.45 #       <Zagor> dwihno: fun for him :-)
11.07.16 #       <dwihno> :-)
11.07.26 #       <matsl> Bagder: whops. Don't you like Emacs editing for you ;-)
11.07.35 #       <Bagder> nopes ;-)
11.08.14 #       <matsl> Bagder: I guess you don't like the auto-hungry and clean-up things then.
11.08.46 #       <Bagder> what do they do?
11.08.52 #       <matsl> Bagder: I kept them just to see what you'd think of it.
11.09.00 #       <matsl> Bagder: auto hungry?
11.09.19 #       <Bagder> ah, is that the newline thingie?
11.10.33 #       <matsl> Bagder: well there are many things that I have activated. I'm not completely sure about the names. I'll have too check some Emacs docs use the right terms.
11.10.50 #       <matsl> 'to use'
11.11.27 #       <dwihno> auto hungry :)
11.11.31 #       * dwihno is auto hungry
11.12.15 #       <Bagder> gah
11.12.19 #       <Bagder> now I know what you mean
11.12.22 #       <Bagder> its terrible
11.12.42 #       <Bagder> when I write 'else {' on a line below the '}', it MOVES the else to the previous line
11.12.49 #       <Bagder> uuuuuuh
11.13.02 #       * Bagder is a whiner
11.13.27 #       <matsl> ok. there are two things. auto and hungry. auto does things automatic. hungry deletes a little bit more than the next space. (Intelligently ;-)
11.14.34 #       <matsl> Bagder: see the comment " We like auto-newline and hungry-delete" in rockbox-style.el
11.14.35 #       <dwihno> Haha
11.14.41 #       <dwihno> Hungry delete! :-)
11.14.52 #       <dwihno> Emacs will do the editing for you :)
11.15.33 #       <matsl> Bagder: the cleanups do things like line up "} else {" if on multiple lines.
11.15.46 #       <Bagder> and dislike that style ;-)
11.15.55 #       <Zagor> matsl: "} else { " is just plain wrong
11.16.26 #       <Zagor> or at least I don't like it ;-)
11.17.05 #       <Zagor> it tends to suggest the use of "} else if (x) {" which *is* plain wrong
11.17.10 #       <matsl> Bagder: I's easy to fix. Just comment out a few lines if that is what you feel like. (I just wanted to show you what I like ;-)
11.17.38 #       <Bagder> I tried to c-toggle-auto-hungry-state in my buffer but I couldn't see any change ?
11.17.43 #       <Zagor> dwihno: now I see the blinking scroll too
11.17.52 #       <Bagder> I'll test around
11.17.59 #       <matsl> Zagor: Not always but don't start a formating war.
11.18.23 #       <Zagor> matsl: else and if on the same line *is* wrong. it corrupts indentation
11.18.27 #       <matsl> Bagder: Are you sure.
11.18.48 #       <Zagor> makes consecutive ifs look like a switch
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11.19.07 #       <matsl> Zagor: I can show you a case when I like it. But should we take it here?
11.19.11 #       <Zagor> it should be "} else { if (x) {"
11.19.23 #       <Zagor> in which case you can see why it shouldn't be on the same line
11.19.45 #       <matsl> Zagor: OK. You asked for it. Not if it is case switch.
11.19.56 #       <Zagor> "this parrot is dead. Noooo, he's pining!"
11.20.16 #       * Zagor reached a Python scetch in The Big Shuffle
11.20.32 #       <dwihno> Zagor: Funky, huh? :-)
11.20.47 #       <dwihno> Yay for blinking scrollers :D
11.20.52 #       <Zagor> matsl case != else
11.21.51 #       <Zagor> matsl: that's my point exactly. cases should be right under each other precisely to indicate they are separated. if/else should indent progressively to indicate you are actually executing all of them to reach a certain segment of code
11.21.54 #       <matsl> sometimes you would like to use a case but you can't because ot the expression involved. Then else if is good.
11.22.16 #       <Zagor> but wrong. it hides the true nature of the code
11.23.00 #       * matsl stryck by a "true nature" argument
11.23.14 #       * matsl struck by a "true nature" argument
11.23.21 #       <Zagor> don't suppress the code's free will! ;)
11.23.39 #       <matsl> YMMW, ha!
11.23.39 #       <Zagor> s/true nature/actual call sequence/
11.25.01 #       <matsl> Zagor: too much C coding. Never have side effects in a test!
11.25.31 #       <Zagor> ?
11.26.29 #       <matsl> Zagor: Shall we get back to business? I'll check in a new rockbox-style.el with the fancy auto stuff removed. ok?
11.26.46 #       <Bagder> yes please
11.26.50 #       <Bagder> it makes things much better!
11.27.04 #       <Zagor> go go go :-)
11.27.39 #       <matsl> Bagder: I'll even remove it completely so that no one ever will by mistake learn that the features are there!
11.27.55 #       <Bagder> hehehe
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11.29.28 #       <Nibbler> .
11.29.40 #       <matsl> Bagder: rockbox-style.el updated. Try it.
11.30.14 #       <matsl> Zagor: I would like to remove all use of rockbox-mode.el in firmware. ok?
11.30.50 #       <Bagder> go go go ;-)
11.32.19 #       <matsl> It will cause a lot of files to be edited.
11.32.41 #       <matsl> But it would probably not create many conflicts.
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11.58.58 #       <Bagder> dir browser fixed now
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12.05.05 #       <matsl> Bagder: Any policy about deleteing files. (I'm about to delete rockbox-mode.el from CVS)
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12.05.55 #       <matsl> Zagor: Any policy about deleteing files. (I'm about to delete rockbox-mode.el from CVS)
12.05.59 #       <Bagder> not really, just delete it
12.06.07 #       <Zagor> kill kill kill :)
12.06.12 #       <matsl> just as I thought!
12.06.20 #       <Bagder> isn't chanserv really weird today
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12.33.14 #       <adi|home> hehe i got my snow hack to work :)
12.33.26 #       <adi|home> we can now increase and decrease the amount of snow falling :)
12.35.20 #       <Zagor> oooh, i've really been waiting for that :*)
12.35.30 #       <adi|home> don't make me hit you :)
12.35.43 #       <adi|home> im just happy to have my usb and cross compiler and box in general working :)
12.35.50 #       <adi|home> i need to get back into the swing of things
12.37.04 #       <adi|home> hehehe funny to see 2 flakes on the screen
12.37.12 #       <adi|home> cause god knows this room is full of them
12.37.19 #       * adi|home grins and heads off to bed
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13.22.24 #       <Zagor> yup
13.22.29 #       <holger> lol
13.23.02 #       <holger> i just tried a little bit to implement "remote works if keyboard is locked"
13.23.21 #       <holger> but its a mess in the sources.... :-)
13.23.33 #       <langhaarrocker> something strange happened: I left home without my jukebox.
13.24.02 #       <kargatron> that's just twisted
13.24.17 #       <Zagor> holger: yes, we need to make a redesign in wps.c. that's why it hasn't been done yet.
13.24.28 #       <Zagor> langhaarrocker: are you nuts!? ;)
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13.24.46 #       <kargatron> game over, man - just kill yourself, langhaarrocker
13.24.50 #       <langhaarrocker> nuts. I actually do have nuts in my pocket!
13.25.31 #       <kargatron> crazies like langhaarrocker can't hear the jb over the voices in their head anyway
13.26.07 #       <langhaarrocker> Here you see an advantage of irc -> no inteference with internal voices :)
13.27.03 #       <holger> hmmm. Zagor, my simple idea was to add a flag into the queue-pushing that indicates, where the key comes from..
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13.28.55 #       <internal_voice> langhaarrocker: whoaohahaha
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13.31.05 #       <Zagor> holger: that is the easy part
13.32.16 #       <langhaarrocker> I hope there's nothing going on about reprogramming all the switch(button) thingies?
13.32.26 #       <Zagor> no
13.33.53 #       <langhaarrocker> Just because that would become a hell of a job which would become necessary when going user definable key schemes...
13.35.05 #       <tantus> filling this thing up at usb1.1 speed is an arduous task, especially when half the collection is on CD
13.35.07 #       <Zagor> yeah, but key schemes means a lot more work than just the button switches
13.35.47 #       <kargatron> can we skip key schemes and go right to mind-jacks? 
13.35.50 #       <langhaarrocker> The rest of the work I have done by 85,4% already. Just need some time and some help with makefiles...
13.36.37 #       <kargatron> langhaarrocker, is that percentage verified by an objective external source? :)
13.36.53 #       <langhaarrocker> no, only by my internal voices
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13.37.52 #       <internal_voice> verified
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13.38.02 #       <langhaarrocker> see? :)
13.38.57 #       <Zagor> langhaarrocker: how do you deal with 3 players in wormlet?
13.39.40 #       <langhaarrocker> two players have two buttons on the jukebox and the third one has the remote. I don't have a remote -> its untested.
13.40.18 #       <Zagor> ah, right you only need two buttons.
13.41.06 #       <langhaarrocker> yes
13.41.25 #       <kargatron> seems a bit crowded
13.42.15 #       <langhaarrocker> Tell that my internal voices. It's them who crowd me. Probably because I am a 'Kraut'...
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14.50.22 #       <Peter99> Hi there
14.50.40 #       <Peter99> Is it possible to delete files with rockbox?
14.50.46 #       <Bagder> yes
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14.53.02 #       <Peter99> Damned netscape crashed
14.53.39 #       <Peter99> So how do I delete files?
14.54.08 #       <Bagder> what model do you have?
14.54.15 #       <Peter99> recorder
14.54.23 #       <Bagder> on+play
14.54.26 #       <Bagder> in the dir browser
14.54.43 #       <Peter99> cool. Is renaming also possible?
14.54.47 #       <Bagder> yes
14.54.59 #       <Peter99> How does that work ;-)
14.55.02 #       <Bagder> but don't try to delete or rename a directory just yet ;-)
14.55.18 #       <Peter99> ok
14.55.29 #       <Bagder> people report bugs on those functions
14.56.14 #       <Peter99> Could you tell me how I rename files?
14.56.39 #       <Bagder> try it and you'll learn
14.57.53 #       <dwihno> Haha
14.57.57 #       <dwihno> Rename all your dirs.
14.58.02 #       <dwihno> Then blame Zagor ;)
14.58.17 #       <Peter99> Cool it works just fine!
14.58.25 #       <Peter99> Thanks for your help!
14.58.50 #       <Bagder> you're welcome
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14.59.44 #       <dwihno> Bagder: renaming/deleting dirs should be disabled for now, imho.
14.59.57 #       <dwihno> Bagder: how about using really long file names?
15.00.06 #       <dwihno> Bagder: no risk of any winkyness?
15.00.25 #       <Bagder> try it and tell us :-)
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15.01.22 #       <adi|home> hey Bagder... why did we change the keycode to accepted, but the request of a password from a few months back was reject.  seems kinda, um.. arbitrary don't it?
15.01.48 #       <Bagder> blame it on zagor
15.04.29 #       <adi|home> will do :)
15.05.31 #       <dwihno> :-)
15.06.15 #       <dwihno> Bagder: any idea what causes the scroll flickering?
15.06.24 #       <Bagder> not anymore, no
15.06.38 #       <Bagder> but the wps code needs an audit and cleanup
15.06.57 #       <adi|home> my guesss would be a quick turning on and off of pixels
15.07.04 #       <adi|home> but thats just a guess
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15.07.58 #       <dwihno> Bagder: For that, we need: 2 nuns, a tube of toothpaste and a screwdriver!
15.09.04 #       <Bagder> I'll probably have a go at it next week
15.09.12 #       <adi|home> personnally.. i think bloody mary would have been more appropriate then a screwdrive ;)
15.15.30 #       <dwihno> adi|home: hehe, bloody mary jane :D
15.15.40 #       <dwihno> A little question. Do you guys think the flash-mod will be possible?
15.15.46 #       * dwihno is not much of a hardware junkie
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15.24.12 #       <dwihno> Welcome, xam!
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15.24.39 #       <Zagor> flash-mod?
15.25.40 #       <void> does archos play wma files?
15.26.46 #       <Bagder> void: no
15.27.05 #       <xam> hi
15.28.02 #       <dwihno> Zagor: Yeah, attaching some kind of ata-flash thing and use it as a buffer.
15.28.21 #       <dwihno> Although reading 128 megs of mpeg data might be inoptimal :-)
15.29.04 #       <Zagor> ah. sure, it could work. i don't think you'll gain very much though.
15.29.37 #       <dwihno> Zagor: how about Uwe's experience with the 8meg mod?
15.30.39 #       <xam> finally got the 2100mAh batteries this week
15.31.57 #       <Zagor> dwihno: well it's pretty much what was expected. 4x the RAM only makes 1.3 times the run time. so 2MB was a good balance.
15.34.34 #       <adi|home> void.. please read the FAQ
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15.37.29 #       <xam> strange enough it seems that the 2100 recharge faster than the standard 1500mAh my Archos Recorder 20 came with
15.41.33 #       <dwihno> Zagor: 1.3 times is not "only", imho :-) Higher mA rated batteries + 8m mod = lots of playing time! :)
15.43.11 #       <xam> it's says (when fully charged) I have 14h30m running time ... but I haven't tried using it until the batteries are empty
15.44.23 #       <xam> what are the average kBit/s you are using for the calulaction?
15.44.34 #       <xam> calculation ;)
15.44.35 #       <Schnueff> 192 i think
15.45.06 #       <Schnueff> uwe wrote it in one mail
15.45.24 #       <dwihno> Ya, I think it's 192.
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15.47.34 #       <xam> oh, yes, I found the email. I'm not substribed to the mailing list, so I had to search the archive. I finally found it ...
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15.47.59 #       <Schnueff> glad u didnt search for your whole life
15.48.03 #       <Schnueff> :)
15.48.21 #       <Zagor> dwihno: you want long run time? route the MAS demand and the buttons irq to nmi input and put the CPU in STANDBY mode. 20uA lasts a long time...
15.48.49 #       <xam> Zagor is that feasable?
15.49.03 #       <Zagor> xam: something like it could be done, yes
15.49.14 #       <Zagor> maybe not exactly those pins
15.49.23 #       <dwihno> Zagor: I can do that while listening to "E-type - Africa" under water ;) 
15.49.28 #       <xam> Zagor I mean, why didn't Archos try that?
15.49.50 #       <Zagor> xam: afaik they don't use sleep mode either
15.49.59 #       <xam> sorry - AFK - coffee break
15.50.11 #       <xam> Zagor that's a little bit stupid from them :-/
15.50.19 #       <xam> okay, see you in 20mins
15.54.10 #       <matsl> cu bbl
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16.00.39 #       <ricII> howmuch does sh1 cpu use anyways ?
16.01.02 #       <Bagder> 60mA at 12MHz average use
16.02.16 #       <ricII> thats a lot, a mod would make sence..
16.04.12 #       <ricII> quick caculation (1500/1500-10h*60ma) 1/3 off the power goes to the cpu.
16.05.32 #       <Zagor> at least
16.08.11 #       <ricII> room for improvement :)
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16.13.57 #       <elinenbe> quick question: maybe someone here can help me.  how come no matter what I do, I am unable to apply this patch? https://sourceforge.net/tracker/download.php?group_id=44306&atid=439120&file_id=40505&aid=625487
16.15.30 #       <ricII> howmuch does the (idle) ram use, maybe just go standby  instead of powerdown?
16.16.17 #       <Zagor> ricII: i don't know. check the data sheets
16.19.50 #       <Nibbler> elinenbe: i was able to patch this one by "patch -p0 < thispatch" but had to do it in the apps/ folder
16.20.52 #       <elinenbe> hmmm.... I tried that, but I will try it again.
16.21.02 #       <elinenbe> I am pathing it over lat night's CVS.
16.22.01 #       <elinenbe> Nibbler: worked fine.  I must be retarted :)
16.22.02 #       <Nibbler> i just got latest CVS for testing this...
16.22.04 #       <Nibbler> :)
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16.23.55 #       <elinenbe> Nibbler: I get errors while compiling screens.c -- I will have to go through the whole thing.
16.24.33 #       <ricII> howmuch does the (idle) ram use, maybe just go standby  instead of powerdown?qq
16.24.35 #       <Nibbler> did not try to compile yet, just appied the patch :)
16.24.44 #       <ricII> ehh sorry work term..
16.25.05 #       <Nibbler> get screens.c:467: parse error at end of input when i try to build it
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16.27.25 #       <electrona> hello...
16.28.15 #       <electrona> I got my player a week ago and now I'm trying to play around with the firmware
16.28.37 #       <electrona> I already compiled one and did some tests
16.29.15 #       <electrona> but I can't get the UI-simulator compiled
16.29.58 #       <Bagder> on windows?
16.30.01 #       <electrona> since I did this stuff at work and haven't got VC++ on my home-pc - can someone send me the compiled exe (win32)
16.30.04 #       <electrona> yes
16.30.15 #       <Bagder> it is in a sorry state on windows
16.30.26 #       <electrona> sorry state?
16.30.39 #       <Bagder> yeah, there aren't any windows coders who make sure it compiles and runs fine
16.30.57 #       <Bagder> so as time passes by, it grows worse and worse
16.30.58 #       <electrona> I have found a link to a compiled exe but it was dead :(
16.31.16 #       <Bagder> that's so old anyway
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16.33.21 #       <electrona> ok maybe I try to do some research...
16.33.41 #       <electrona> thought it would be the easiest was if someone got it compiled already...
16.33.49 #       <electrona> thanks anyway...
16.35.21 #       <Bagder> I only know of one person who compiles it on windows
16.35.41 #       <dwihno> edx ?
16.35.44 #       <Bagder> yes
16.36.53 #       <electrona> do you have an email-address or can give him mine?
16.37.12 #       <Nibbler> the windows-simulator does load the firmware as a file also?
16.37.16 #       <Bagder> no
16.37.21 #       <Nibbler> thought so :(
16.37.31 #       <dwihno> electrona: he's on the mailing list, look for Felix Arends
16.37.36 #       <electrona> thanks
16.37.43 #       <Bagder> the simulator is a program that acts like rockbox when it runs
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16.38.00 #       <Nibbler> but cant load .ajb files eh?
16.38.02 #       <Bagder> by simulating most of the lowlevel APIs
16.38.11 #       <Bagder> no, its not an Archos simulator
16.38.29 #       <Nibbler> ah ok, i get it
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16.43.35 #       <quelsaruk> hi 
16.43.44 #       <langhaarrocker> the 'recent cvs activity' on the rockbox page seems to blink. Is that still due to cvs problems?
16.44.07 #       <langhaarrocker> (blink = sometimes it's there, sometimes not)
16.47.08 #       <Bagder> yes, that's why
16.49.14 #       <langhaarrocker> :(
16.49.56 #       <dwihno> :~~(
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16.57.35 #       <xam> one question: is the sleep patch already in the CVS and - more importantly - it's in the automatically generated CVS build (bleeding edge builds)?
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16.59.07 #       <electrona> do you mean sleep-timer?
16.59.09 #       <dwihno> xam: good question. check the changelogs from the latest daily builds.
16.59.18 #       <dwihno> electrona: nah, sleep patch. CPU sleep mode
16.59.28 #       <electrona> oh
16.59.41 #       <dwihno> Unless I misinterpreted.
17.01.04 #       <quelsaruk> dwihno: i interpreted the same as u
17.01.16 #       <electrona> I have a question on the lcd in the player
17.01.26 #       <quelsaruk> but don't know the answer
17.01.28 #       <Bagder> its not in CVS yet
17.01.37 #       <electrona> how did you know that?
17.01.41 #       <xam> dwihno I don't see it in the changelog, but I saw a message of UWE talking about the current CVS version ... ah here it is ... sorry I misinterpreted UWE's mail
17.01.43 #       <Bagder> I read the commit mails
17.01.56 #       <dwihno> Bagder: any special reasons?
17.02.09 #       <xam> dwihno it seems it's really not yet in the CVS
17.02.16 #       <Bagder> both yes and no
17.02.23 #       <dwihno> Bagder: I'm all ears :-)
17.02.28 #       <dwihno> Ears and nose
17.02.35 #       <Bagder> yes, because this method was turned down months ago when I suggested it
17.03.10 #       <dwihno> So what kind of power saving things are ment to be included?
17.03.20 #       <electrona> the character for the progress-bar is set in the get_tag-function as "\x01" - is this interpeted by the lcd_puts-procedure or is this a special c-syntax for a single character?
17.03.24 #       <Bagder> no, it does save power so its a good thing
17.03.38 #       <elinenbe> Bagder: how come the new cpu sleep is not in the CVS yet?  I measured a savings of about 15mA here.
17.04.08 #       <Bagder> basicly because no one has read through his patch and given it OK
17.04.18 #       <xam> Bagder I vote for including it into CVS APAS ;)
17.04.21 #       <xam> ASAP
17.04.26 #       <Bagder> have you read the code?
17.04.40 #       <xam> badger ... after it is cleaned up of course ;)
17.04.50 #       <Bagder> hehe
17.04.54 #       <xam> bagder lol
17.05.00 #       <Bagder> that's basicly what I think as well
17.05.20 #       <dwihno> How much will 15mA give in, let's say - one charge?
17.05.41 #       <Bagder> possibly ~10% longer playtime
17.06.00 #       <dwihno> Whoa.
17.06.21 #       <dwihno> What is left to be done to decrease the power usage?
17.06.36 #       <Bagder> doing it better
17.06.38 #       <quelsaruk> thats great
17.08.55 #       <xam> bagder well, the patch looks simple enough (with the led crap removed)
17.09.27 #       <Bagder> how does it look on a multi-line scrolling wps?
17.10.41 #       <xam> bagder don't have set up a cross compiling environment here. I could test the compiled file on my recorder20 though ...
17.12.24 #       <dwihno> I'm gone for the weekend. Have a good one guys.
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17.12.46 #       <xam> slan
17.12.50 #       <xam> mhh, too late
17.17.06 #       <Bagder> I'm off as well
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17.24.44 #       <elinenbe> me too!
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17.58.40 #       <quelsaruk> yupiii
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18.35.58 #       <quelsaruk> umm
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18.36.46 #       <quelsaruk> hardeep: do u have a recorder rockbox with the *SLEEP* patch?
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18.37.11 #       <quelsaruk> i can't patch it here, and seems to be interesting enough
18.37.13 #       <quelsaruk> :)
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18.46.55 #       <hardeep> quelsaruk: i haven't tried that patch
18.47.17 #       <quel|out> seems to save nearly a 10% of batteries
18.47.58 #       <quel|out> :)
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20.02.32 #       <quel|out> has anyone a compiled recorder firmware with the "SLEEP" patch?
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21.29.29 #       <quel|out> time to go!
21.29.34 #       <quel|out> have a good weekend
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21.30.18 #       <elinenbe> hello everyone
21.30.22 #       <elinenbe> ricII: you here?
21.30.40 #       <ricII> yep
21.30.48 #       <ricII> trouble ?
21.31.12 #       <elinenbe> ricII: I have been playing with it all day today commuting and at work, and everything seems great so far.
21.31.23 #       <elinenbe> ricII: any new improvments?
21.31.44 #       <ricII> no, just started 'task rockbox'
21.31.59 #       <elinenbe> ricII: the delay of loading a large directory hardly bothers me because of the great features.
21.32.50 #       <elinenbe> however there seems to be some feature problems with rockbox the way it currently stands.
21.33.00 #       <ricII> for the moment I keep the savesettings() there to be on the save side
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21.33.27 #       <elinenbe> some great new features are being added (along with your's) but there seems to be a need to reorganize all the options.
21.33.37 #       <elinenbe> the quick menus, file editing, etc.
21.33.53 #       <ricII> anything related to playlist code ?
21.33.58 #       <elinenbe> no :)
21.35.00 #       <ricII> so, if I fix the shuffle modes it ready for production
21.35.43 #       <elinenbe> well, it would be nice to load the current stuff into ram before writing to disk.
21.36.29 #       <ricII> there are a lot of other optimizations posible aswell.
21.36.56 #       <elinenbe> that is something that may concern the average user.
21.37.34 #       <ricII> you try the resume function ?
21.37.52 #       <elinenbe> no, I did not.
21.37.57 #       <elinenbe> I can now though
21.41.15 #       <ricII> if you get 'corrupted patchfile, offset: xxxxx' something changed rtc, or I do something wrong (or you fiddled with .playlist_patches)
21.43.20 #       <elinenbe> ricII: so are you just finishing up shuffle?
21.44.03 #       <ricII> yes, but I'm having some problems there, 
21.45.31 #       <ricII> specificly with midplay list shuffle & unshuffle (sorting) in combination with resume..
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21.46.26 #       <nazeman> hello
21.46.41 #       <elinenbe> hardeep is the person who couldhelp you the best with that
21.47.23 #       <ricII> it's also a matter of concept...
21.47.30 #       <elinenbe> yeah.
21.47.35 #       <elinenbe> It gets confusing. :)
21.47.39 #       <ricII> append is easy.. 
21.48.01 #       <nazeman> I have the build for FM, work great, very thanks but only with power (adaptor)
21.48.19 #       <elinenbe> nazeman: sounds good.
21.49.23 #       <ricII> confusing gets insert while shuffled, where sould the inserted file endup after sort (unshuffle)
21.51.06 #       <nazeman> is the problem with power know ? or is a bug fix release asap ? (sorry my english is poor)
21.51.40 #       <ricII> power problem?  fm specific?
21.53.32 #       <nazeman> only with battery, i have the rockbox logo and power off. 
21.53.47 #       <ricII> souldn't unshuffle (sort) restore what shuffle did.. (and how could I do that in every situation..)
21.54.18 #       <elinenbe> ricII: yeah -- I think it should
21.54.20 #       <ricII> nazeman: I don't have a FM, so can't help you here..
21.56.00 #       <nazeman> ri have read in the mailling list that it know (many user the same problem)
21.56.10 #       <ricII> so where does one insert when in shuffle mode (at the begining, end before appends ....)
21.59.41 #       <ricII> nazeman: probely a little to low-level for me (now)
22.00.19 #       <elinenbe> ricII: I think an insert in shuffle should inster right after what you are listening to.
22.00.29 #       <elinenbe> for instance you have songs 1,2,3,4,5
22.00.31 #       <elinenbe> you shuffle
22.00.37 #       <elinenbe> now you have 2,4,5,3,1
22.00.42 #       <elinenbe> you are listening to 5
22.00.48 #       <elinenbe> and insert 6,7
22.00.57 #       <elinenbe> then you have 2,4,5,6,7,3,1
22.01.13 #       <elinenbe> ah!!! now what to do if you unshuffle?
22.01.46 #       <ricII> so the "sorting" sould see following inserts as 1 block..
22.03.54 #       <elinenbe> if you unshuffle, I think the sorting should see 5,6,7 as a block
22.04.07 #       <elinenbe> after you listened to 5, you wanted to listen to 6 and then 7
22.04.13 #       <elinenbe> they should stay together
22.07.08 #       <ricII> can do that (I think) 
22.09.40 #       <ricII> maybe I sould redefine shuffling... 
22.09.52 #       <elinenbe> maybe...
22.11.08 #       <ricII> now shuffle realy messesup the indices order on which I depend with my patchfile & resume..
22.16.04 #       <ricII> but since it not real random (given the seed) .... 
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22.25.33 #       <ricII> but what if say 1,2,3,4,5 insert 6,7 after 3 (giving 1,2,3,6,7,4,5)  shuffle on 7 producing 5,2,4,3,6,1,7 and start inserting 8,9 after now 4 ..
22.26.36 #       <ricII> producing 5,2,4,8,9,3,1,7 ... try unshufling that...
22.27.02 #       <ricII> ops forgot our 6
22.27.49 #       <ricII> 5,2,4,8,9,3,6,1,7 hmm 
22.31.14 #       <ricII> remember this is still desired behavoir, implementing it sucsesfuly is a differnt piece of cake..
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