--- Log for 26.01.103 Server: leguin.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16p1 Started: 6 days and 9 hours ago 00.00.58 # I'm listening to my first rockbox mp3 -- thanks again 00.01.11 # maybe put a survey on the site, so we could figure out the best default contrast? 00.04.25 # bye... thanks again 00.04.26 Quit astrashe ("Leaving") 00.05.32 Join Jet8810 [0] (~Josh@adsl-34-20-70.mia.bellsouth.net) 00.08.45 # do they make both an Archos Studio FM and Recorder FM? 00.09.15 # nope 00.09.17 # just recorder 00.11.17 # ok jus tmaking sure 00.11.34 # I....LOVE....WIFI... 00.20.35 Nick Jet8810 is now known as PDAJunkie (~Josh@adsl-34-20-70.mia.bellsouth.net) 00.20.42 Nick PDAJunkie is now known as PDAJunkienet (~Josh@adsl-34-20-70.mia.bellsouth.net) 00.21.19 Nick PDAJunkienet is now known as PDAJunkie (~Josh@adsl-34-20-70.mia.bellsouth.net) 00.21.39 Nick PDAJunkie is now known as PDAJunkiedotnet (~Josh@adsl-34-20-70.mia.bellsouth.net) 00.23.57 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.44.40 Nick edx`afk is now known as edx (edx@pD9EAB431.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.44.40 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.52.26 Quit Trancer ("Leaving") 00.53.45 Join breaker [0] (~mail@isdn216-55.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 01.00.26 # has the mailing list gone down with mysql bug? 01.01.51 # it's an mssql bug isn't it? 01.02.11 # and does the mailing list even use sql? 01.02.47 # majordomo uses mysql ?? 01.03.09 # must been away to long :) 01.03.25 # iex 01.03.37 # majordomo can i hope use sth else then mysql ? 01.04.19 # haha wtf 01.04.24 # some chick calls 01.04.27 # and it's the wrong number 01.04.31 Join langhaarrocker [0] (~Philipp@Bdb86.pppool.de) 01.05.08 # "is this blah blah 5692?" "no it's 5622" "oh sorry... so whats up... are you single?" 01.05.55 # many singles fit onto one jukebox 01.06.09 # sounds like an userfriendly commic... 01.07.30 # hardly 01.09.47 Join Nibbler [0] (~Nibbler@port-212-202-193-181.reverse.qdsl-home.de) 01.12.45 # man this sucks 01.12.55 # i've having to rm stuff on my archos to make room for more stuff 01.13.12 # i'm glad my mom spent the little extra to get the 20G instead of the 6G :p 01.13.55 # I'm glad I found someone to sell my 6GB drive to :) 01.14.01 # :) 01.14.06 # oh yeah 01.14.10 # it took like 10h to fill my 15gig hd 01.14.14 # i should see how much 20G drives are going for on ebay 01.14.22 # see if i can upgrade cheaply 01.14.22 # heh 01.14.24 # and still i have stuff i want to put on it and would have to delete for that :( 01.15.26 # i need like 20 more MB free to copy these new things to it.. dunno where to take it from heh 01.16.39 Nick thu_ is now known as thu (~thu@h24-78-136-7.vc.shawcable.net) 01.16.58 # oh here we go there's 89mb of something i never listen to heh 01.17.15 # isn't there a 2nd channel on the usb-ata bridge... :) 01.18.07 # The actual size of a hard drive doesn't matter. The half-life remains the same. 01.18.26 # backpack a large 3.5" with batteries.. 01.19.55 # heh 01.19.59 # believe me: within two months you'd be craving for more space 01.20.26 # well 01.20.37 # i'm pretty picky about my music 01.20.52 # it's taken me years to get 20G worth 01.22.09 # cp: cannot create directory `/mnt/jb/Oneys/T\202l\202popmusik': Invalid argument 01.22.12 # bleh 01.30.02 # there 01.30.50 Quit breaker (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.31.01 # ./Beck/Mellow Gold 01.31.02 # ./Beck/Mutations 01.31.02 # ./Eels/Electro-Shock Blues 01.31.02 DBUG Enqueued KICK PsycoXul 01.31.02 # ./Telepopmusik/Genetic World 01.31.02 # ./Pink Floyd/Syd Barrett/The Madcap Laughs 01.31.04 # ./Pink Floyd/Saucerful of Secrets 01.31.06 # ./Pink Floyd/Ummagumma 01.31.14 # now if only it'll umount and not lock up here or anything heh... 01.31.40 Quit edx () 01.32.32 # woo 01.41.31 # so the 20G's are going for ~$100 on ebay 01.41.48 # and there's a 40G buy it now for $139 and thats just the first one i found 01.42.03 # so i could double my space for $40 and maybe less heh 01.54.01 # PsycoXul: The 40G ones(I believe) are modified and don't have any sort of waranty with them 01.55.14 # i'm looking at bare harddrives 01.55.19 # heh 01.55.23 # ook 01.55.31 # you can just smack me with a trout now 01.55.40 # i don't use trouts 01.55.42 # thats a mirc thing 01.55.57 # i tend to discorage the use of trout slapping 01.55.59 # :p 02.04.27 Quit langhaarrocker (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.11.17 Join diddystar5 [0] (LeePilgrim@ACC2EA0D.ipt.aol.com) 02.11.25 # hello 02.12.12 Ctcp Ignored 2 channel CTCP requests in 12 hours and 0 minutes at the last flood 02.12.12 # * diddystar5 slaps MeRWiN around a bit with a TCL powered popup 02.12.24 # you there 02.13.53 # PsycoXul: ok, good call... I'm used to hanging around in a room wih a bunch of trout heads 02.14.01 # hehe 02.15.54 # hehe could you tell me how to add the chip8 games? do i need to use "#include (something)" in a file? i am using cygwin 02.16.08 # no clue 02.16.33 # darn 02.17.04 # * diddystar5 salps himself in the face with a huge trout 02.17.52 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.19.34 # heh 02.20.43 Ctcp Version from diddystar5!LeePilgrim@ACC2EA0D.ipt.aol.com 02.23.58 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.33.23 Quit diddystar5 ("bye!") 02.36.50 # http://www.tshirthell.com/images/contestpics/a102_001.jpg 02.39.12 Join moose-man [0] (nigger@sc-66-75-127-54.socal.rr.com) 02.40.12 # Hey peeps, Im a noob here with a new Archos fm recorder. Sorry for being a dickhead noob asking question,but i was hoping somebody could assist me 02.40.39 # fm recorder's only work with rockbox while plugged in right now 02.40.59 # because they use a different kind of battery, the power handling code thinks it's dead otherwise 02.41.49 # ahh i see, is this in all the versions, or just 1.x through 1.4 ? 02.42.16 # afaik 1.4 doesn't work at all on it actualy 02.42.20 # or earlier 02.42.30 # this is with the cvs/daily builds 02.43.03 # So if i may ask, what do you suggest? 02.43.31 # wait a week for it to get tweeked to the point of working normal 02.43.31 # heh 02.44.20 # Is it normal for the unit to not able to do anything other than charge while plugged in, in other words im unable to actually turn it on and use it while it is plugged in. 02.44.31 # hmm 02.44.34 # dunno, that sounds weird 02.44.44 # it should work hehe 02.45.02 # Should i go ahead and remove the firmware then? 02.45.12 # remove which firmware? heh 02.45.37 # The rocks 1.4 02.45.41 # oh probably 02.45.41 # hehe 02.45.48 # and put back the 1.3 from archos ? 02.46.04 # i mean if rockbox only works while it's plugged in and the unit won't turned on while plugged in i guess there's no use to having rockbox on there yet :p 02.46.23 # and like i said i don't think 1.4 works on it at all 02.46.36 # there were some other issues that have been solved since 1.4 02.47.11 # heh 02.47.12 # http://www.tshirthell.com/images/contestpics/a44_001.jpg 02.47.27 # that t-shirt reads "if you're already this close why don't you just suck my dick" 02.47.44 # If i completely remove everything without having the .ajz file, will it do anything? 02.48.01 # it'll boot to the in-rom firmware 02.48.16 # So is it cool if i just completely remove it all ? 02.48.19 # it always boots to the in-rom firmware anyway, it's just the in-rom firmware checks for the .ajz and loads it if its there 02.48.23 Quit matsl ("Client Exiting") 02.49.00 # yeah but the in-rom firmware's older than the .ajz it came with if it came with an .ajz heh 02.49.58 # http://www.tshirthell.com/images/contestpics/a64_002.jpg 02.50.32 # wwjd for a klondike bar :-) 02.52.06 Quit mecraw (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 02.52.38 # When i have the unit plugged in, it will not let me do anything, if i turn it on, it flashes and just shows the charging screen as you can see here moose.svidergol.com/mp3.jpg 02.53.10 # Sorry about the low quality 02.53.15 # moose-man: what are you trying to do? 02.53.43 # Well what im asking is if its normal for the player not to load and play music while it is plugged in. 02.53.46 # moose-man: you should be able to use it while it's charging 02.53.53 # moose-man: my fm recorder can 02.54.08 # you might try starting it up first and then plugging it in 02.54.09 # :) 02.54.27 # Trying now.... 02.54.33 # i can see me in the background 02.54.48 # is that 4 mousepads? 02.54.49 # heh 02.55.13 # MeRWiN: Excellent. It is working that way :) 02.55.49 # Fella's thanks for your help, i know its annoying as hell dealing with n[][]bs ¶='Þ 02.58.04 # Ahh transfering 6 gigs through USB 1.0, time to get my snickers bar out 02.58.15 # hehe 02.58.57 # 84 minutes left, wahoo! 03.00.22 # 668M mp3 03.00.25 # hey thats convenient 03.00.27 # * PsycoXul burns it 03.01.43 Quit thu ("Client Exiting") 03.12.45 # ok thanks for your help everybody, have a goodone, im sure ill be back later 03.12.46 # Peace 03.12.47 Quit moose-man () 03.13.11 Quit _seb_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.28.38 Join _seb_ [0] (Sean@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 03.39.31 Join sansa [0] (~sansavaro@136-194-53.cmts01.ksle.everestkc.net) 03.39.58 # Hi all. 03.40.08 # hiya 03.40.43 # Has anybody else noticed their battery lasting a bit longer with rockbox? 03.40.59 # yes they have :) 03.53.01 Join Guest [0] (~jirc@sub23-192.member.dsl-only.net) 03.56.37 # heh 03.56.48 # I will notice batteries lasting a little longer with 2100 mah batts :) 03.57.09 # Where did you get yours? 03.58.37 # heh 03.58.42 # batteries or archos ? 03.59.29 # PDAJunkiedotnet: batteries. 03.59.44 # umm 03.59.46 # you can scoure ebay 03.59.46 # or 04.00.00 # get 4 for $15 http://www.thomas-distributing.com there 04.00.12 # Danke. 04.03.55 Quit sansa ("Woo Hoo Build is done time to play!") 04.11.53 Join Nibbler [0] (~Nibbler@212.202.193.135) 04.20.54 Join DotcuM [0] (~poop@66-50-83-198.prtc.net) 04.24.01 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.24.42 # I see a number of Archos Player hard drive web pages. Is there one for the FM Recorder? Is it different? 04.25.20 # www.archos.com :) 04.26.18 # Sorry, I meant a page on upgrading the HD from the stock 20gb to, say, 40gb? 04.31.14 # hmm *un)shuffle robs my sleep.. 04.32.54 Quit Guest ("Leaving") 04.33.44 # ej 04.33.44 # life 04.33.47 # what if I just store parent.offset in my file, I will always be able to find that. 04.34.01 # all the freaks live at night :) 04.34.06 # :) 04.34.26 # still busy with playlist ? 04.35.11 # yep considerd about 6 way to work around my prob.. 04.35.27 # ah.. so choose the best one ? 04.36.26 # problem is there are a lot of side factors to consider.. 04.36.46 # uhuh 04.39.11 # now lets see if I can do 'all' with this approach 04.41.13 # hm k 04.41.25 # main problem was unshuffle & resume with mixed mode inserts 04.41.41 # uhm k 04.43.35 # unshuffle would now mean: qsort orginal m3u, replay patches 04.44.14 # qsort ? 04.44.25 # quicksort.. 04.44.29 # ah 04.44.32 # unshuffle.. sorry 04.46.27 # whats all this about anyway 04.46.27 # heh 04.47.12 # PsycoXul: new playlist code, featuring queue,insert, append & delete. 04.47.19 # heh 04.47.32 # what exactly is queuing 04.47.37 # hows it different from a playlist 04.48.01 # play after this song but don't make it permanent as insert would 04.48.07 # heh 04.48.13 # is that really worth so much trouble 04.48.33 # yes 04.48.36 # why not just support some sorta tags in the playlist that allow changing of settings and other useful things and include one that says "remove this track from playlist after playing it" 04.48.40 # it would make us able to create playlists on the fly.. 04.48.40 # it's a lovely feature 04.49.16 # on the fly playlists is great 04.49.23 # but they're still just files on the disk 04.49.36 # aswell recursion 04.49.50 # that sounds more like something specific to the playlist building UI 04.50.11 # not something for the backend to worry about 04.50.14 # but i dunno 04.50.54 # backend sould deliver hooks like insert,append (and be able to handle shuffle & resume) 04.51.01 # imo everything should be as simple and generic as possible... maybe you're trying to go for that, but to me it doesn't really sound like it heh 04.51.11 # how is shuffle and resume a problem for the playlist backend 04.51.55 # shuffle's just done with random indexes isn't it? 04.52.14 # resume must recreate the state from scratch.. 04.52.25 # yeah 04.52.33 # well thats why the playlist as created is saved to a file 04.52.41 # the random seed is saved to recreate the same shuffle 04.52.54 # and the resume index is saved to say where to start back from 04.53.07 # whats the problem? 04.53.09 # but this is linear in time.. shuffle distroys this. 04.53.22 # huh? 04.53.37 # we've had working resuming shuffled playlists for a long time 04.53.40 # aspecialy when people start to insert while in shuffle mode.. 04.53.51 # ah i see 04.53.55 # I known :( 04.54.21 # adding to it after shuffling is messy 04.54.22 # heh 04.54.56 # yep 04.55.36 # yeah i remember adding to a playlist that i had shut off while playing shuffled 04.55.46 # and turning it back on and it resumed to a different song, totally different shuffle 04.57.14 # so how do you get around that 04.57.19 # user has 1.2.3.4.5 shuffles 2.5.3.4.1 add 6.7 after 3, 2.5.3.6.7.4.1 unshuflled sould be 1.2.3.6.7.4.5 04.57.35 # hmm 04.57.36 # heh 04.58.46 # i can do that now... 04.59.06 # using less memory.. 04.59.40 # so say they have 1.2.3.4.5 shufflesd 2.3.5.4.1 adds 6.7 after 3 and unshuffled should be 1.2.3.6.7.4.5 but what if they really wanted to add 6.7 before 5 and want it to unshuffle to 1.2.3.4.6.7.5? :p 05.00.06 # wtf...? 05.00.07 # lol 05.00.45 # we have to define a insert before next song & a insert after this song button. code has no problem here. 05.00.58 # heh 05.01.22 # seems weird to attatch insertions to either of the songs surrounding them to me 05.02.41 # seems weird to me to in shuffle mode, but I want to do something sensible for 'insert' which means play after what I hearing now.. 05.03.12 # if you're shuffling a playlist, it sortof implies that the original playlist is sorta linear 05.03.43 # so are all modifications (in time) 05.03.47 # and if you're inserting to it while shuffling you could be either adding a spot of linearity or adding more effectively randomness 05.04.30 # in either case it seems to me like it should unshuffle back to a linear playlist 05.04.30 # random insert would more mean append as play somewhere after this.. 05.04.50 # well i mean linear and random as in track order 05.04.58 # 1.2.3.4.5 vs 5.3.1.4.2 05.05.09 # considerd that to, but linerty is found in the file offset... 05.05.29 # ok 05.05.55 # only thing to consider is insert after a queued song, this parent gets deleted.. 05.06.24 # so it boils down to something inserted into a shuffled playlist is in limbo for unshuffling and you just wanna do something reasonable with it, so you attatch it to before or after tracks 05.07.02 # ricII: heh 05.07.16 # yep.. 05.07.46 # and ofcourse take care of my other problems aswell... 05.07.54 # personally i'd just sort the limbo insertions in with the alphabetical linearity of the original playlist or something heh 05.08.03 # when unshuffling 05.09.24 # but what if a user startoff in normal mode insert a few specific songs, shuffles and unshuffles, souldn't that undo the shuffling.. 05.09.49 # well yeah but the inserted songs aren't in limbo if they were done before shuffling 05.09.56 # they're already a static part of the playlist 05.10.03 # true... 05.11.05 # but I would like to have its behavoir defined... 05.11.58 # well yeah that'd be nice hehe 05.14.40 # since a queued songs deletion is anotated, (and insertion must have happend before) there souldn't be a problem using it's offset as a parrent... 05.17.11 # hmm no extra memory needed, only the resume codes gets a little slower 05.44.19 # hmm 05.44.20 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.44.31 # is the patch added in where a playlist is saved as m3u file? 05.45.23 # no 05.46.44 # it's more a list of patch instructions to playlist (posible empty) to recreate the state in memory 05.48.32 Join Galik [0] (~galik@public1-char1-6-cust252.pool.broadband.ntl.com) 05.48.52 # lo 05.49.50 # but it could easly be saved.. 05.52.04 # the patch_file is there for recreation on resume and as a filename buffer (eliminating the one in memory) 06.08.56 # * Galik is away: I'm probably not payimg attention.... 06.08.57 # * Galik is away: I'm probably not payimg attention.... : Autoaway, idle > 20 minutes. 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I remember someone talked about something like "two stages booting" on the mailin list 16.48.34 # I'd like to have this, but it seems like I'm the only one 16.48.58 # im not on the list, /me goes subscribing 16.49.01 # whats this about? 16.50.21 # A thing like lilo on a computer : The Archos first boots a small firmware, and this firmware gives you the choice between Archos original firmware or Rockbox 16.51.23 # hmmm 16.51.37 # but u can load the original firmware neways from withing rockbox? 16.51.45 # Yes 16.51.57 # but I would like to use it on a FM recorder 16.52.37 # because when the unit is unplugged, I can't boot rockbox, and I can't boot archos either 16.52.44 # is rockbox anything like usefull on RM recorder already? 16.54.01 # SeeSchloss isn't that the wrong way around ? 16.54.06 # Rockbox is really better than archos on FM recorder, except that the backlight acts strangely and that it can't work if the charger is unplugged 16.55.38 # rockbox sould be fixed on the FM, and it already has the functionality to boot something else.. 16.57.31 # ok, but I won't be able to access internet from tomorrow morning to friday evening, and I'd like to use rockbox at evenings (with the charger) and archos during the day (when I can't plug the charger) 16.58.41 # do you have a better idea ? 17.01.45 # fix rockbox so it boots, 17.02.55 # I heard rockbox thinks the batteries are empty when unplugged... 17.03.20 # ok, good idea. But I have no idea of what I have to do and how to do and... 17.07.48 Nick seb-sleep is now known as seb-away (Sean@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 17.08.41 Join Scheee [0] (SeeSchloss@89.88.203.213.9nanterr1-1-ro-as-i2-1.9tel.net) 17.08.49 # rah pt1 17.11.00 # SeeSchloss you could rename the .ajz before power down.. 17.11.42 # Well I can rename it from Rockbox but I cant rename a file from Archos firmware, can I ? 17.12.09 # hmm I was disconnected, I am SeeSchloss 17.12.09 # not sure, but y'r probly right 17.14.57 # no, I cant 17.17.43 # so you like to bailout before rockbox starts (after it loaded by the firmware..) 17.18.26 Join breaker [0] (~mail@isdn216-207.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 17.19.51 # bailout ? 17.20.04 # hmm I don't understand :-( 17.20.52 # abort, jumpback to firmware rom. 17.22.14 # yes, but I want to be able to boot rockbox if I want, too 17.22.19 # when e.g the on key is still pressed.. 17.23.15 # hmm yes 17.24.14 # so we need to find the entry point of rockbox & hope archos firmware left us a place to return to. 17.25.22 # or you need to find where it checks the batteries & shutsdown and disable that. 17.26.59 Quit SeeSchloss (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 17.29.03 Join SeeSchloss [0] (SeeSchloss@126.104-30-212.9massy1-1-ro-as-i2-1.9tel.net) 17.29.25 # disconnected again... 17.32.51 # i keep discon'ing here also :| 17.33.48 # hmm what would happen if you disable power_init() in apps/main.c... 17.34.55 # Hi. I think I can help here with the battery things for the FM recorder? 17.35.38 # hmm I have absolutely no idea of what would happen if I did this 17.36.07 # Set #define BATTERY_LEVEL_SHUTDOWN 0 (and the other values for empty) and recompile. It shouldn't shut down any more. 17.36.44 # ok :) that even better.. 17.37.12 # If reading the voltage for FM recorder works (tomorrow?), I'll let you know (in the ML). 17.37.44 # Setting the values in powermgmt.h is just a workaround for today.. 17.38.25 # Set SHUTDOWN, EMPTY, DANGEROUS to 0, FULL should remain unchanged. 17.40.00 # hmm did I say that I didn't know anything about programming and how to do what you are saying ? 17.40.49 # Do you have the source and a working compiler? 17.40.53 # SeeSchloss edit powermgmt.h 17.41.10 # firmware/powermgmt.h 17.41.28 # ach I don't have the source and I don't have a working compiler 17.41.44 # in fact I have no compiler at all 17.42.07 # it easy to build under linux.. 17.42.12 Join Phantom [0] (JP@ASte-Genev-Bois-109-1-4-89.abo.wanadoo.fr) 17.42.15 # hi 17.42.23 # somebody is here ? 17.42.56 # Yes. :) 17.43.00 # :D 17.43.11 # well moreover I am under windows... 17.43.35 # is it possible to make a text view in full screen, withou left and right move ? 17.44.07 # You could try the easy-to-install compiler package that someone made. 17.44.13 # I think it's on the rockbox site. 17.44.18 # But I haven't tried it. 17.44.20 # Phantom: wrap you mean? 17.44.31 # yes 17.44.49 # (I meant SeeSchloss.) 17.45.18 # SeeSchloss : this pack don't want to work on my computeur 17.45.28 # Ok I'm looking for it 17.45.42 Quit Scheee (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 17.46.44 # Phantom: I still have to find something for prop. fonts.. 17.46.56 # should the version display display the correct date of the version? 17.47.03 # mine says jan 20 17.47.31 # depending on the system clock where it was build, yes 17.47.52 # so, is it possible to wrap the text ? 17.48.00 # I installed the daily build 17.48.08 # archos20030126.ajz 17.48.25 # Phantom 17.48.52 # ops, not in cvs, but my local tree supports it 17.49.31 # Someone-with-FM-Rec: Can you please go to debug menu, View I/O prts and tell me the value of AN6? 17.50.06 # back in 2 secondes 17.50.08 Quit Phantom ("Fermeture du client") 17.50.14 # Phantom dcc not working.. 17.51.06 Join Phantom [0] (Phantom@ASte-Genev-Bois-109-1-4-89.abo.wanadoo.fr) 17.51.09 # back 17.52.12 # breaker : AN6: 20C 17.52.37 # oh and I found the compiler, I'm downloading it 17.53.13 # SeeSchloss: Thanks. The screen shows Batt: 0.0V 0%, am I right? 17.53.52 # Well in fact it shows 3.38V 9% 17.54.36 # but in the battery menu, i see 0.00V... 17.55.32 # Phantom > so you downloaded the compiler and it doesn't work on your pc ? 17.55.58 # yes 17.56.13 # I had got the GNU SH compiler 17.56.25 # and it worked better than cygwin 17.56.33 # but I ve loose it 17.56.42 # and now I can't get it anymore 17.58.57 # well I can not help 17.59.00 # you 17.59.44 Join EGM92 [0] (~CW-EGM92@CPE00045af8ed32-CM014340000355.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 17.59.45 # is somebody have the gnu sh compiler for windows ? 17.59.50 # Hey anyone around? 18.01.03 # Phantom: I have, why? 18.01.26 # ? Hey how do I know if something like a fature has been cahnged from firmware to firmware without actually installing it into the JB? 18.01.54 # EGM92: what do you mean? 18.02.52 # like say... hold on 18.03.00 # I need to get onto the website 18.03.23 # is sh-elf-gcc a special version of gcc? 18.03.44 # yup 18.03.54 # archos20030121.mod- archos20030126.mod how do Ifind out whats changed between theese 2 versions? like if there was a bug fix or new feature added 18.05.23 # you can look at the change-logs 18.05.24 # http://rockbox.haxx.se/daily.shtml 18.05.45 # edx'afk : I must register to have it on the web, and that don't work for the France, so I need to have it by another way..understand ;) ? 18.06.13 # why doesnt that work? 18.06.55 # EDX' where is that change log 18.06.55 # ? 18.07.54 # http://rockbox.haxx.se/daily/changes-20030121.html e.g. or http://rockbox.haxx.se/daily/changes-20030122.html (links right at the top) 18.08.11 # ALRIGHT THANKS 18.09.01 # edx`afk : they always ask me to re-register, but I'm sure to do all what I must to do 18.09.45 # Phantom: strange... i tried to register but they didnt send my account data, yet - some other guy gave me his 18.10.22 # and, can you give it to me ? 18.10.29 Quit EGM92 ("(i was using polaris) version:[2.05c] webpage:[http://www.polaris-central.com]") 18.10.53 # I dont know.. i need to ask that guy but he's not in atm 18.11.06 # ok 18.20.50 # I try again... 18.21.19 # hmm... I don't understand... most of the time rockbox shuts off when I unplugged the unit, but sometimes (like now) it doesn't 18.22.33 # yes that is right 18.23.15 # on my that is because of a bad quality of plug 18.23.45 # bad quality of plug ? 18.24.18 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.24.28 # SeeSchloss: In Debug, Battery menu, the screen with "Power status:", it shows "Battery: 0,0 V"? 18.24.47 # yes, as if you unplug and plug then unplug very faast 18.26.50 # well breaker immediatly after it was showin 0.00V, then it show ~2.00V and now 0.00V 18.27.21 # mine when he is unplug say 0.05 0.03 18.27.25 # there was 2.00V during about 1 minute 18.28.01 # And in the other menu (View IO ports), if you press a key there it refreshed the values. 18.28.09 # but Phantom it is not because I pluged and unpluged very fast, when I unpluged it it was plugged since 20 minutes 18.28.18 # Dows it always show about 3,6 V? 18.28.32 # Does. 18.29.24 # hmm, it showed 0.00 V 18.30.09 # Didn't you write that it showed 3.38V 9%? 18.30.23 # then the disk spined up and it showed about 3V (I didn't see what was after the ,), then 2.26 because the backlight was on 18.30.56 # That's all ok, I'm only interested if it shows always values between 2 and 4 V. 18.30.57 # and now that the backlight is off it shows 0.00V 18.31.05 # Oh! 18.31.12 # Strange. 18.31.22 # And the AN6 value? 18.31.26 # and music is playing 18.31.31 # AN6: 004 18.32.09 # Aha. The voltage is calculated out of AN6 (recorder). 18.32.20 # But how to calculate it for FM recorder?? 18.32.36 # AN6 seems not to work. 18.33.39 # hmm is it normal that each time when I press a key AN6 changes ? (between 000 and 003) 18.34.53 # Yes. Little inaccuracies of the analog-digital-converter. 18.35.11 # hmm 18.35.36 # I just ordered 4 2100mah nimh batts the other day for my archos...when I receive them should I put them in the archos and activate deep discharge? 18.35.40 # ah ok 18.37.30 # ..? 18.37.54 # PDAJunkiedotnet > I can't help you 18.38.07 # thanks anyways 18.39.04 # PDAJunkiedotnet: If you want to.. I think it doesn't matter. You can force some charge cycles by setting deep discharge on, of course. 18.39.38 # SeeSchloss: What does AN3 show? 18.39.55 # ok thanks 18.41.26 # breaker > 3FF 18.42.25 # And AN0 is also 3FF, right? 18.42.42 # right 18.43.49 # but AN3 is always exactly 3FF while AN0 is 3F7-3FF 18.46.51 # AN7 should be the external power voltage. Can you tell me the value with charger connected and with charger not connected, please? 18.47.37 # charger not connected : 000 18.48.24 Nick edx`afk is now known as edx`code (edx@pD9EABF1A.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.48.52 # connected : 1DF just after connecting 18.48.59 # now 130 18.50.34 # Mainly the same for the (notFM) recorder. So I have NO idea where to take the voltage from if AN6 doesn't work every time. 18.50.42 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 18.50.50 # Ah, hi linus! 18.50.55 # do we have any FM fuys here? 18.50.59 # guys 18.51.17 # At least one 18.51.19 # me 18.51.21 # I tried to find out how getting voltage for FM works. 18.51.29 # ok, go to debug->I/O ports 18.51.41 # AN6 doesn't work every time. 18.51.53 # I'm already here 18.51.54 # It seems, only if Backlight is off!? 18.52.08 # Very strange thing.. 18.52.44 # weirdo 18.52.44 # maybe they have an external mux? 18.52.45 # well rather when backlight is on 18.53.35 # SeeSchloss: It shows 200 or something every time, if backlight is on? 18.53.59 # breaker: try to set the backlight frequency to 1HZ or something 18.54.17 # LinusN: Hm? Backlight frequency? 18.54.29 # the backlight is controlled by the RTC 18.54.34 # Ah, you mean in the registers of RTC. 18.54.44 # breaker > yes 18.54.48 # and it is a square wave generator output 18.55.01 # LinusN: Yes, I remember now. 18.55.02 # currently 32khz 18.55.14 # No. Currently 0 Hz. 18.55.18 # I think. 18.55.36 # breaker: have you changed it? 18.55.45 # I don't think so. 18.55.52 # it shoud be 32khz when lit 18.55.55 # ohz when off 18.55.58 # 0hz 18.56.05 # Wait, I'll look into the code. 18.58.47 # LinusN: You're right. 18.59.33 # i'm always right :-) 18.59.47 # I think I haven't changed it ifdef HAVE_ALARM_MOD, and I'm *sure* that I didn't change something that affects #ifndef HAVE_ALARM_MOD. 19.00.48 # maybe the fmrec has an external analog mux? 19.00.57 # for the battery voltage(s) 19.01.21 # how does the liion charging circuit work? 19.01.31 # circuit==chip 19.01.34 # I don't know. :) 19.01.38 # oh 19.01.44 # I read about LiIon charging in the net. 19.01.51 # Simply charging with 4.2 19.01.52 # have you determined which chip it is? 19.01.54 # 4.2 V. 19.02.02 # No. 19.02.14 # I don't have a FM recorder. 19.02.23 # from what i have heard, liion charging is trickier than nimh 19.03.34 # I don't think so. Have a look at http://www.seattlerobotics.org/encoder/200210/LiIon2.pdf 19.04.10 # They charge with 4.2V, the current is reduced automatically (because of the constant voltage). 19.04.36 # That could mean we can always turn on the charger for the FM recorder and don't have to do anything. 19.07.21 # that must mean that they have an external charging chip 19.07.43 # wait a minute, a telephone call.. 19.07.44 # otherwise we would overheat the batteries, wouldn't we? 19.08.55 Nick PDAJunkiedotnet is now known as Jet8810 (~Josh@adsl-34-20-70.mia.bellsouth.net) 19.09.39 Join GreyShadow [0] (Snak@adsl-209-204-188-244.sonic.net) 19.10.10 # as far as i know, it is critical that we don't exceed 4.2V, thus we need a current limiting device with pretty good precision 19.12.06 Quit Phantom (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 19.14.47 Join Schee [0] (SeeSchloss@22.108-30-212.9massy1-1-ro-as-i3-1.9tel.net) 19.15.37 # well I downloaded the small compiler, did what you said, and it works, thanks :-) 19.15.39 Quit s0be (Remote closed the connection) 19.18.39 # Li-Ion charging is tricky, could well be this handled outside the normal software.. 19.19.33 # i really think they use a charging controller for that 19.19.59 # hmm well I was disconnected again Schee = SeeSchloss 19.20.57 Mode "#rockbox +o LinusN " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 19.21.10 # kick SeeSchloss 19.21.43 # ah, I was wondering what was about to happen :) 19.22.00 Kick (#rockbox SeeSchloss :LinusN) by LinusN!~linus@labb.contactor.se 19.22.39 Join s0be [0] (~s0be@163.118.102.32) 19.22.45 # ok thanks 19.23.38 # Schee if you register the nick you can claim it back y'r self.. 19.25.11 # LinusN: (I'm back again.) Yes, I think they have a charging controller inside the device. 19.25.16 # I know, I thought it was registered 19.25.36 # If not and we don't turn the charger off when it goes above 4,2 V, we destroy the battery, right. 19.25.48 # breaker: right 19.26.39 # and maybe the archos withit 19.26.52 # Someone with a FM Recorder has to check what happens when the Archos firmware runs. I think the voltage goes up to 4,2 v and then stays there. 19.26.56 # so the device shuts off when the backlight goes off? 19.27.13 # No. AN6 only doesn't show a battery voltage. 19.27.37 # so maybe it just isn't a battery voltage at all? 19.27.43 # We could make backlight_on(), get_voltage, backlight_off() 19.27.55 # LinusN: Could be. 19.28.15 # try to set the freq to 1 hz and see how it behaves 19.28.22 # But The battery voltage shown in debug/IO ports is calculated out of AN6. 19.28.28 # ... 19.28.40 # and it shows 3,6 v when backlught is on. 19.28.46 # breaker: that code is for the normal recorders 19.29.03 # we don't know if an6 measures the same thing on the fm recorder 19.29.15 # Yes, right. 19.29.27 # But 3,6 V could be the battery voltage. 19.29.36 # could be 19.29.53 # And because I have no FM model here, what should we do? 19.30.05 # i have to put my son to bed now 19.30.26 # cu later 19.30.30 Part LinusN 19.30.34 # OK, bye. 19.35.42 # Schee: To "guess" if AN6 shows the batt voltage if backlight is on, it would be helpful to know which battery voltage and AN6 value the debug/IO ports screen shows when a.) battery is almost empty b.) battery is almost full. 19.36.15 Join SeeSchloss [0] (SeeSchloss@136.90.203.213.9nanterr1-1-ro-as-i2-2.9tel.net) 19.36.40 # SeeSchloss: To "guess" if AN6 shows the batt voltage if backlight is on, it would be helpful to know which battery voltage and AN6 value the debug/IO ports screen shows when a.) battery is almost empty b.) battery is almost full. 19.37.19 # If empty is about 2,7 and full about 4,2, I'd think AN6 *can* be used for getting the voltage. 19.38.33 Join Darsh [0] (~josh@res193-249-315.resnet.jhu.edu) 19.38.46 # hi... can anyone help me an error im getting? 19.40.28 # What's wrong? 19.40.38 # well, i have the jukebox studio 20 19.40.41 # and i had rockbox on it 19.40.53 # And? 19.40.56 # then, i turned it on this morning and it said "HD Error" 19.41.06 # so, i went to the archos webstie, it said to reformat 19.41.07 # did that 19.41.19 # reinstalled the firmware and the rockbox.... but im still getting the error 19.41.59 # Have you tried only to use the original firmware for a day or two after reformatting? 19.42.15 # i tried first using only the latest firmware 19.42.27 # but i cant even get to that 19.42.30 # Archos firmware or Rockbox? 19.42.39 # Archos 19.43.05 # And after reformatting, does the built-in firmware work? 19.43.13 # no 19.43.15 # wait 19.43.24 Quit Schee (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeeSchloss!SeeSchloss@136.90.203.213.9nanterr1-1-ro-as-i2-2.9tel.net))) 19.43.26 # the built in firmware will be there after i format? 19.43.27 # Are the batteries ok? 19.43.32 # Yes. 19.43.37 # as far as i know... i tried with the AC plugge in 19.43.43 # let me try that 19.43.45 # hold on 19.43.46 # Built-in is on a flash rom, cannot be overwritten. 19.44.04 # oh i didnt know that 19.44.07 # thanks, one sec 19.44.37 # well breaker how could I know what you asked to me ? 19.44.37 # battery voltage etc 19.44.39 # hmm 19.44.52 # is queuing still done by holding down the play button in the latest build? 19.44.55 # it is not working on my recorder... 19.45.43 # SeeSchloss: What do you mean? 19.46.27 # SeeSchloss: You could check the values after charging with the Archos firmware. Or what's the problem? 19.46.50 # Jet8810: Press ON+play. 19.46.57 # Jet8810: A new menu. 19.47.01 # aah 19.47.08 # breaker: it still gives me that error 19.47.27 # and is there a better way to edit them now too? and it saves playlists now too right? 19.47.30 # Darsh: hd broken? 19.47.40 # well... I could check the values after charging with archos, but I thought rockbox gave a bad voltage ? 19.47.40 # Darsh: But you can connect with charger and USB and then format and use the drive? 19.47.51 # yes 19.48.08 # i canc onnec to just USB and it works fine 19.48.12 # i can send files back and forth 19.48.14 # strange, formated as ? 19.48.15 # i can format 19.48.18 # fat32 19.48.34 # Darsh: And if charger disconnected, does that work then, too? 19.48.52 # if its connected to USB and NOT charger, it works fine 19.49.19 # primary partition, fat32 sould work.. 19.49.52 # SeeSchloss: That we don't know. We know that it doesn't show a usable value when backlight is off. But it could show a usable value if backlight is on. 19.50.16 # ok ok 19.52.30 # well archos says "Charged" 19.53.08 # * SeeSchloss is booting Rockbox... 19.54.15 # SeeSchloss: You should charge some hours (even if it shows "charged" now) and then look at the voltage rockbox shows. I don't know what Archos means is "Charged". 19.54.27 # hmm in I/O ports, battery is 3.09V when backlight is on 19.56.28 # well breaker in a few minutes I will go to eat, then to bed, then to school and I won't be able to access internet before friday evening... 19.56.45 # If you charge over night, the voltage has to be 4.2 V (that's the correct charging for LiIon, and I think Archos firmware does it correctly here). It would be interesting what value rockbox shows then. 19.57.06 # OK, charge over night (Archos firmware), boot directly with rockbox and look into the debug screen. 19.57.19 # Write me the voltage and AN& value. mail@uwe-freese.de 19.57.26 # AN6 19.58.27 # Oh, you cannot write then until Friday. That's bad. 19.59.49 # SeeSchloss: I'll aks for help in the Mailinglist. Bye then. 19.59.53 # if I'm outta battery power and plug in the Charger, i should be able to run it normally,r giht? 20.00.10 # Darsh no. 20.00.30 # If the batteries are broken it won't work correctly. 20.01.00 # The charger only charges the batteries. 20.01.07 # nono, i dont mean brokenb 20.01.14 # i mean, just outta power 20.01.15 # spinup hd needs more power the adaptor (circits behind it) deliver 20.01.21 # oh 20.01.22 # hmm 20.01.28 # maye i should just charge it for a while 20.01.47 # Yes. 20.02.39 Join AndyC_772 [0] (~spam@host213-121-99-244.in-addr.btopenworld.com) 20.03.11 # time to eat, @+ les filles 20.03.16 Quit SeeSchloss ("Évolution, Entwicklung. Révolution, Staatsumwälzung. ??!. France ! - De ?. Europe... z'avez rien pigé, hein ? :-D") 20.06.57 # breaker: just incase mine aren't working, still got some 8mb rams left? 20.14.31 Quit GreyShadow (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.24.19 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.24.38 # ricII: Yes. At least one. 20.28.32 # I will practice some more on dummy pcb's and mod the archos somewhere in comming week.. 20.30.39 # who could have thought I would put this broken hub to use :) 20.35.20 Quit AndyC_772 () 20.36.40 Quit breaker () 21.09.29 Join JBP641 [0] (~JBP641@adsl-34-162-26.hsv.bellsouth.net) 21.09.29 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.09.56 # hey 21.11.54 Part JBP641 21.17.27 Quit s0be ("Client exiting") 21.25.36 Join Nibbler [0] (~Nibbler@port-212-202-193-135.reverse.qdsl-home.de) 21.33.13 Join matsl [0] (~matsl@as13-4-5.mal.s.bonet.se) 21.41.16 Join s0be [0] (~s0be@163.118.102.32) 22.15.12 Quit s0be ("Client exiting") 22.15.13 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.24.20 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.26.29 Join PhantomJP [0] (JP@ASte-Genev-Bois-109-1-4-148.abo.wanadoo.fr) 22.27.20 # edx : do you have see the guy who give you his pass ? 22.28.05 # no, sorry i havent - i have registered myself and i'd give you my password but i didnt receive their mail yet :( 22.28.47 # same thing for me 22.33.03 Join probonic [0] (~someone@host217-39-7-195.in-addr.btopenworld.com) 22.33.03 Quit Darsh (Connection timed out) 22.39.38 Quit PhantomJP ("Fermeture du client") 22.48.15 Quit matsl ("Client Exiting") 22.53.07 Join Aghnar [0] (jirc@lns-p19-9-213-228-59-59.adsl.proxad.net) 22.54.02 # Hello everyone 22.55.26 Join langhaarrocker [0] (~Philipp@B2615.pppool.de) 22.55.28 # Anyone know if it would be possible to have a feature like the mp3cue plugin for winamp ? 23.04.29 # the mp3cue plugin can be found there : http://home.wanadoo.nl/screamer/Hardstyle/HTML/Software.htm 23.05.09 # It is a great plugin when listening livesets or mixes without cutting them :) 23.07.14 Quit gissehel (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.07.28 Join gissehel [0] (gissehel@AFontenayssB-105-1-3-147.abo.wanadoo.fr) 23.13.00 # mm 23.13.05 # i cba to install it 23.13.20 # but it allows you to jump to bookmarks around a single mp3 file? 23.15.05 Nick edx`code is now known as edx`offsoon (edx@pD9EABF1A.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.21.15 # yes :) 23.21.42 # I don't know if it would be possible to do on the archos 23.22.14 # but i think it has not been requested yet... 23.22.19 # bookmarks are being worked on 23.27.00 Quit edx`offsoon () 23.27.12 Join BoD[] [0] (~BoD@m131.net81-67-41.noos.fr) 23.39.42 # hi 23.40.38 # ok... tha's what you call bookmarks :) 23.41.13 # i thought bookmarks was just for bookmarking your favourites tracks 23.41.16 # oooh :) 23.41.20 # it all works :) 23.41.39 # looks like i bought my fm recorder at just the right time ;) 23.42.01 Join Nibbler [0] (~Nibbler@port-212-202-193-135.reverse.qdsl-home.de) 23.42.10 # hep 23.42.28 # is it possible to queue a full directory (and recursivly), yet ? 23.42.49 # not afaik 23.42.57 # but its in the pipeline (?) 23.43.21 # :) 23.43.24 # ok then 23.53.43 # think I got the unshuffling covered.. 23.55.02 Quit Aghnar ("Leaving") 23.58.06 # completely ot: does anybody know how that song is called which has the bassline of 'night rider' combined with some indian singing and some kind of picked string instrument that sounds as if it was made of metal and severely broken?