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01.09.12 #       <BoD[]> rockbox rocks my world
01.09.53 #       <BoD[]> 404
01.11.37 #       <Jet8810> heh yea
01.13.34 #       <BoD[]> i bought an archos mic today
01.13.42 #       <Jet8810> $$?
01.14.27 #       <BoD[]> 30€
01.14.31 #       <BoD[]> =30$
01.14.43 #       <BoD[]> =highly expensive :)
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01.27.43 #       <Jet8810> damn
01.27.46 #       <Jet8810> is it good though?
01.27.48 #       <Jet8810> good quality?
01.27.56 #       <Jet8810> I hsave a PDA so just use the mic on that...dont ever use it anyway though
01.28.05 #       <Jet8810> I preferred to spend the $40 on car kit which will be here tonight or tom
01.28.14 #       <Jet8810> and the $15 for 4 2100 mah batts which I have
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01.35.02 #       <BoD[]> i didnt receive it yet :)
01.35.08 #       <BoD[]> i'll tell you
01.35.27 #       <BoD[]> anyway i have to go to bed! see you bye
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03.07.22 #       <mrsubway> High.  Is 2.0 anywhere near done?
03.08.48 #       <hardeep> mrsubway: try out one of the daily builds and see for yourself. :)
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03.10.57 #       <mrsubway> OK.  Do I have to delete the .rockbox folder from 1.4?
03.11.32 #       <hardeep> mrsubway: nope, just update the ajbrec.ajz (or archos.mod for player) file
03.12.39 #       <mrsubway> One last question.  Do I download it from the source tarballs or the target builds list?
03.13.53 #       <hardeep> mrsubway: target builds
03.14.08 #       <mrsubway> Thanks a lot.  I'll try the latest one now.
03.14.23 #       <hardeep> mrsubway: remember to rename it to ajbrec.ajz or archos.mod... or you can rolo into the new version
03.15.04 #       <mrsubway> If I rolo, it won't save any settings, though, right?
03.16.43 #       <hardeep> mrsubway: rolo does save settings... however the config information will be reset because of changes between 1.4 and 2.0
03.17.17 #       <mrsubway> Okay.  I'll just backup 1.4, and try it without rolo.  I just did it now.  Gonna go play with it.  :)
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03.27.23 #       <mrsubway> Looks good.  I see you still can't delete files, though.
03.27.44 #       <hardeep> mrsubway: you can.... from browser ON+PLAY
03.27.53 #       <hardeep> mrsubway: you can rename/delete files as well as queue tracks
03.29.06 #       <mrsubway> Oh!  I have to look at it a little more.  Is there also a way to name the file when you record?
03.29.27 #       <hardeep> mrsubway: not yet....  but you can just rename it after recording is done
03.31.45 #       <mrsubway> Heh.  Rockbox hasn't been updating it's firmware.  Still 1.7d.  I'm not even bothering with them anymore.
03.32.02 #       <mrsubway> I meant archos not rockbox.  Sorry.
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08.12.33 #       <Bagder> morning
08.12.44 #       <matsl> morrn
08.13.48 #       <dwihno> HEJ! :D
08.14.15 #       <adi|home> damn it.. my machine is locking up again because of usb :(
08.14.28 #       <PsycoXul> heh
08.14.32 #       <PsycoXul> yeah mine has been like that for a while
08.14.35 #       <PsycoXul>  11:14pm  up 17 days, 23:52,  4 users,  load average: 11.06, 11.11, 11.12
08.14.43 #       <adi|home> !uptime
08.14.43 #       <PsycoXul> thats whats giving that load average
08.14.43 #       <PsycoXul> heh
08.14.48 #       <adi|home> grrrr..
08.15.03 #       <adi|home>   2:11am  up  2:05,  3 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.00
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08.51.38 #       <Zagor> morning
08.51.44 #       <Bagder> morning
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09.16.19 #       * Bagder did some Code Policing on kjer's upcoming code ;-)
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09.23.52 #       <quelsaruk> morning
09.24.12 #       <quelsaruk> Zagor: do you remember what we talked yesterday about runtime_tick ?
09.25.26 #       <Zagor> yes
09.27.14 #       <quelsaruk> well, i have to theories.. one, my jukebox hates me (quite problable) and the second... runtime doesn't work fine this days.
09.27.34 #       <quelsaruk> i say this because yeserday i downloaded rockbox bleeding edge firmware
09.27.43 #       <quelsaruk> charged my batteries
09.28.24 #       <quelsaruk> and wanted to test how long would the jukebox run playing random files in a "whole HD" playlist
09.28.31 #       <quelsaruk> i started playing at 10:30 p.m.
09.28.48 #       <quelsaruk> i went to sleep at 12:00 and continued playing...
09.29.00 #       <quelsaruk> at 3:15 a.m. it continued playing
09.29.14 #       <quelsaruk> but.. when this morning i saw runtime.. it was just 35 minutes????
09.29.22 #       <quelsaruk> i have no sleep patch.
09.29.22 #       <Zagor> very strange
09.29.35 #       <quelsaruk> that's why i think my jukebox hates me :)
09.30.23 #       <Zagor> sounds like it :-)
09.32.54 #       <quelsaruk> so i can act in two ways, one... throw it to my brother's head and ask him "why he has broken my jukebox with his head (so he has to buy me another one)" or... forget about testing some runtimes for my own statistics
09.32.57 #       * Bagder runs off
09.33.10 #       <quelsaruk> Zagor: have you tested runtime these days?
09.33.14 #       <quelsaruk> does it work?
09.33.18 #       * matsl is away: I'm busy
09.33.51 #       <quelsaruk> or did Bagder brake something else than WPS ;)
09.34.31 #       <Zagor> when we talked yesterday, I looked at it and had 8 hours
09.34.31 #       <Zagor> i'm currently charging, so it's 0 now of course
09.35.38 #       <quelsaruk> ok
09.35.58 #       <quelsaruk> i'll check it again just to see if it was a joke :)
09.36.12 #       <quelsaruk> changing to another thing
09.36.35 #       <quelsaruk> i'm reading the mails about "F" keys
09.38.08 #       <quelsaruk> and there's one interesting point of view, the one saying: << Random : on(/off) |  >> Resume : all(/none/one) and so on...
09.38.30 #       <quelsaruk> of course the way it is now is cooler (as dwihno would say)
09.39.20 #       <quelsaruk> but, i don't translate rockbox to spanish because when i press F2 key i get a nonsense message, and i like to see things more or less correctly
09.39.36 #       <quelsaruk> what do you think Zagor?
09.40.18 #       <Zagor> i'm not sure. I have to try it and see.
09.41.46 #       <quelsaruk> i can make a diff and show it to you
09.43.00 #       <quelsaruk> ahhh.. another thing i saw in the bleeding edge. renaming a folder. You press On+Play and get the rename screen.. you see the << icon, but i didn't see any "rename" word.
09.43.16 #       <quelsaruk> a small bug? or another nonsense with my jukebox?
09.57.32 #       <Zagor> are you using english or spanish?
10.02.10 #       <quelsaruk> english
10.02.27 #       <Zagor> and recorder?
10.02.44 #       <quelsaruk> yups
10.02.58 #       <quelsaruk> recorder 6GB (and without serial number...)
10.03.48 #       <Zagor> strange. works for me.
10.04.02 #       <quelsaruk> Zagor: it's not strange.. it's my jukebox
10.04.19 #       <quelsaruk> i reeeeeally love it...
10.04.36 #       <quelsaruk> btw Zagor you have a 20GB or a 6GB??
10.04.44 #       <quelsaruk> originally
10.04.46 #       <Zagor> 20
10.04.48 #       <quelsaruk> not after upgrade
10.05.02 #       <Zagor> 40 after upgrade
10.05.11 #       <quelsaruk> and did you have a 6 GB before?
10.05.17 #       <quelsaruk> or Linus.. or your brother?
10.05.23 #       <Zagor> no, the 20 is the only recorder we have.
10.05.29 #       <quelsaruk> ajam
10.05.30 #       <Zagor> the old units are players
10.05.42 #       <quelsaruk> well.. the recorder has a S/N in the back
10.05.44 #       <quelsaruk> correct?
10.05.54 #       <Zagor> yes
10.06.15 #       <quelsaruk> i just wanted to know if my 6GB hasn't got S/N because it's cooler, or because they didn/t have S/N before
10.06.58 #       <quelsaruk> i mena. i have the "made in china" stick and it says S/N (and nothing after the S/N)
10.07.11 #       <quelsaruk> *mean
10.07.33 #       <Zagor> i think one of my players is like that
10.08.22 #       <quelsaruk> ooohhhhhhhhhhhhh
10.08.30 #       <quelsaruk> i don't have a cool jukebox
10.08.31 #       <quelsaruk> :)
10.08.47 #       <Zagor> :)
10.08.53 #       <quelsaruk> ummm
10.09.16 #       <quelsaruk> it's possible to go from 15% batt level to 100% in.. 10 minutes??
10.10.35 #       <quelsaruk> i was charging.... it was 15% ten minutes ago...
10.11.06 #       <quelsaruk> (i started at 9:20 with a batt level about 8%)
10.11.27 #       <quelsaruk> Zagor: i selll you my really strange and caotic jukebox
10.11.31 #       <quelsaruk> sell
10.11.41 #       <quelsaruk> just 600 euros :)
10.11.49 #       <Zagor> battery level is not particularly accurate during charging 
10.11.59 #       <Zagor> ooh, a bargain :)
10.12.28 #       <quelsaruk> zagor.. it jumped to trickle charge
10.12.46 #       <quelsaruk> and batt. are new
10.13.28 #       <quelsaruk> mine came with an extra set, and i changed them two days ago
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10.14.13 #       <quel|out> i'm going to search for a spiritual advisor..... this is not natural... :)
10.14.30 #       <quel|out> see you later
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11.24.48 #       <quel|out> arggggg
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11.25.24 #       * langhaarrocker passe quel a medical kit
11.25.44 #       <quel|out> thx langhaarrocker, but i need a exorcism for my jukebox
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11.26.14 #       <langhaarrocker> can code police be abused as exorcist?
11.27.00 #       <quelsaruk> if zagor does a master.. i think we can use him :)
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11.27.39 #       <quelsaruk> i'm doing a thesis diploma in "when a jukebox gets paranoid"
11.27.42 #       <quelsaruk> hi LinusN
11.27.59 #       <LinusN> hi
11.28.55 #       <langhaarrocker> quelsaruk: what kind of ghost has infected your jb?
11.29.19 #       <quelsaruk> langhaarrocker: it has been playing this night for more than 5 hours....
11.29.27 #       <quelsaruk> it sais just 41 minutes...
11.29.48 #       <quelsaruk> i started charging it at 9:20 a.m. (8% batt level)
11.29.51 #       <langhaarrocker> you mean the up-time?
11.30.05 #       <quelsaruk> the current runtime
11.30.44 #       <quelsaruk> at 10:11 it's batt level was 15% ( after charging nearly an hour.. it's possible)
11.31.06 #       <quelsaruk> at 10:12 it was 100% and doing trickle charge...
11.31.21 #       <quelsaruk> not top-off.... trickle charge!!!
11.31.43 #       <quelsaruk> of course... i've played some songs... and batt level is 8% again
11.32.02 #       <quelsaruk> the problem is that this batt. set is new
11.32.16 #       <quelsaruk> i've changed them 3 days ago
11.32.31 #       <LinusN> what mAh rating?
11.32.37 #       <quelsaruk> 1500
11.32.42 #       <LinusN> ok
11.32.49 #       <quelsaruk> my jukebox came with an extra set
11.33.02 #       <quelsaruk> these are the "original" set by archos
11.33.38 #       <langhaarrocker> apropos mAh setting: When I wanted to use some old NiCd accus I was disappointed that I couldn't set the machine to 800 mAh...
11.33.44 #       <quelsaruk> i have some problem with runtime_tick these last days. but i thought it was made by the Sleep patch
11.35.01 #       <quelsaruk> but now i'm using the bleeding edge firmware i downloaded yesterday night ( 21:30 h)
11.35.18 #       <quelsaruk> Europe time :)
11.37.10 #       <quelsaruk> any extravagant idea??
11.37.28 #       <quelsaruk> i can think just in the exorcism :)
11.38.30 #       <LinusN> i use to sacrifice a goat and put its guts on the JB at midnight
11.40.57 #       <quelsaruk> i will ask in the market today.. maybe i can buy a goat there :)
11.42.24 #       <langhaarrocker> LinusN: which song to use for the ritual?
11.42.32 #       <quelsaruk> LinusN: LCD is 112*64 pixels ??
11.42.56 #       <langhaarrocker> quelsaruk: yes
11.44.04 #       <quelsaruk> langhaarrocker: i should say something like " In the name of the metal gods, i tell you to go away, evil archos firmware!! You are not allowed to work here anymore. Archos to ashes and dust to dust"
11.45.19 #       <s0be> what about the holy vodka or rum for the ritual?
11.45.35 #       <LinusN> s0be: that is essential
11.45.35 #       <quelsaruk> s0be: that's esential
11.45.38 #       <quelsaruk> jajajaj
11.45.47 #       <quelsaruk> [11:48:17] <LinusN> s0be: that is essential
11.45.47 #       <quelsaruk> [11:48:17] <quelsaruk> s0be: that's esential
11.45.50 #       <quelsaruk> at the same second
11.45.52 #       <LinusN> :-)
11.45.55 #       <quelsaruk> :)
11.45.57 #       <s0be> sorry, I jsut lurk... I'll stick to lurking... later
11.46.30 #       <quelsaruk> and font height is normally 8 or 9 pixels ?
11.46.38 #       <langhaarrocker> 8
11.47.01 #       <quelsaruk> thx
11.47.01 #       <quelsaruk> :)
11.47.43 #       <langhaarrocker> quelsaruk: might it be that it's not you jukebox that is possesed but that it's Linus who posesses you?
11.49.40 #       <quelsaruk> ummmmmmm
11.49.48 #       <quelsaruk> that can be another option...
11.50.14 #       <quelsaruk> any ideas then?
11.51.05 #       <langhaarrocker> broken file system? So that your old firware boots? Name conflicts? like you renamend your custom firware by extending it?
11.51.56 #       <quelsaruk> einnnnnn?????
11.52.35 #       <quelsaruk> missa torpe.. missa no gustar lo naboo (don't try to understand this)
11.53.25 #       <quelsaruk> langhaarrocker: rockbox seems to work fine, when i boot my jukebox, it loads rockbox perfectly.. everything seems to work correctly
11.53.34 #       <quelsaruk> just.. i have some strange issues today
11.53.46 #       <quelsaruk> like the runtime in the degub menu
11.53.55 #       <quelsaruk> or the false charge 
11.53.59 #       <quelsaruk> *debug
11.54.40 #       <langhaarrocker> you have downloaded the bleeding edge and not built it yourself?
11.54.58 #       <quelsaruk> yes langhaarrocker
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11.55.19 #       <quelsaruk> i found the runtime *error* on monday
11.55.39 #       <quelsaruk> but as i was trying the sleep patch, i asked zagor and told me it could be made by that patch
11.56.01 #       <quelsaruk> so yesterday night i downloaded the bleeding edge, and.....
11.56.07 #       <quelsaruk> you know the rest
11.56.09 #       <quelsaruk> :)
11.56.37 #       <langhaarrocker> do you have the patched firmware (renamed) on your jb? 
11.57.03 #       <Peter1> Is it possible to load a font  automatically when I turn on my Archos Recorder?
11.57.13 #       <Bagder> yes
11.57.32 #       <langhaarrocker> If the font is stored in .rockbox it automatically is reloaded at boot.
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11.58.51 #       <Peter1> Ok I think I do have two fonts in .rockbox. That might cause the problem.
11.59.52 #       <quelsaruk> no langhaarrocker i overwrited it
12.00.29 #       <Bagder> Peter1: nope, you can have any amount there, just PLAY the one you wanna use
12.01.39 #       <langhaarrocker> quelsaruk: if I remember right there can be 'name conflicts' if you have say ajbrec.ajz_old and ajbrec.ajz in your root. The built in archos firmware searches only for the first 10 characters 
12.01.39 #       <langhaarrocker> But if it's not that you accidently booted the patched firmware somehow I have no clue about your problem.
12.01.49 #       <Guest1> Yes my question was if I can _automatically_ load a specific font (I do not like the default font)
12.02.18 #       <Peter1> Guest1 = Peter. Sorry.
12.02.19 #       <quelsaruk> well, i have to resolve some questions to one of my "children".. see you later!
12.02.26 #       <Bagder> Guest1: yes, select it first and then it'll load automaticly
12.02.35 #       <quelsaruk> langhaarrocker: i need an exorcism.. i told you before ;)
12.02.36 #       <Bagder> it can load automaticly before you've selected which one to load
12.02.40 #       <Bagder> can't
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12.03.51 #       <Peter1> One solution would be to call the font which one likes to be loaded automatically ritgh after you turn on the archos "standard.fnt"
12.04.09 #       <Bagder> sure, but hardly any better
12.04.18 #       <Peter1> So a mechanism like that is not implemented so far.
12.04.21 #       <Bagder> this is more flexible
12.04.36 #       <Bagder> we removed that mechanism
12.04.50 #       <langhaarrocker> Peter1: Rockbox remembers the font you played last and reuses it at next boot
12.05.24 #       <langhaarrocker> provided it is in .rockbox
12.06.38 #       <Bagder> lunch time
12.07.34 #       <Peter1> Cool! I will give it a try later. Thanks!
12.08.02 #       <langhaarrocker> the lunch?
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12.39.37 #       <Zagor> kargatis: good job finding a failing file! makes debugging a lot easier
12.41.37 #       <kargatis> was just lazy
12.41.48 #       <kargatis> noticed it for a couple months
12.42.09 #       <Zagor> hehe
12.42.45 #       <kargatis> though I don't think it's been forever - pretty sure those bad header files worked at some point, but i'm sure many things have changed since
12.46.11 #       <Zagor> crap. i just realized the fat driver can't handle more than one open dir at any time. and fixing that requires spending 1500 bytes per open dir...
12.47.25 #       <kargatis> and more than one open dir required for what - copying?
12.47.29 #       <Zagor> any my volume meter is stuck on numeric again. bloody annoying.
12.47.52 #       <Zagor> kargatis: playlist creation, currently
12.48.36 #       <Zagor> anything that works recursively needs multiple open dirs
12.48.46 #       <kargatis> right
12.49.36 #       <Zagor> bah, screw it i'm spending the ram. major ram overhaul coming up later anyway
12.50.17 #       <dwihno> Zagor: We got lots o' RAM, just spend it all! :D
12.53.58 #       <Zagor> gotta spend it all! ;)
12.55.17 #       <dwihno> :-D
12.58.17 #       <dwihno> Ich bin müde wie ein verdammtes baum!
12.59.50 #       <Zagor> uh, you're... hungry for a tree?
12.59.55 #       <Bagder> tired as a tree?
13.00.07 #       <dwihno> Yeah
13.00.12 #       <dwihno> Have you seen the two towers?
13.00.25 #       <Bagder> they're not trees
13.00.32 #       <Bagder> they're Ents
13.00.55 #       <Zagor> they rock, nevertheless
13.01.18 #       <Zagor> in several aspects of the word :-)
13.01.38 #       <dwihno> Those are a bunch of tired trees!
13.01.52 #       <dwihno> Bagder: They are NOT ants, they are trees! ;D
13.02.09 #       <kargatis> one of the best little scenes in the film was when the river isen was rushing in, one of the ents on fire ducked its head/limbs down to put it out.  nice touch.
13.02.30 #       <dwihno> I guess more than me are in need of a eye doctor, if you can't see the difference between ants and trees, Bagder ;)
13.02.51 #       <dwihno> kargatis: yeah, that was neato :-)
13.03.06 #       * Bagder swings for dwihno's head
13.05.38 #       <dwihno> Hey, no need to get all violent and such! :D
13.05.53 #       * dwihno gets Bagder some semlor
13.05.55 #       <Bagder> http://curl.haxx.se/auto/stat.cgi
13.06.05 #       <Bagder> recognize the script? ;-)
13.06.21 #       <Zagor> looks familiar :-)
13.06.47 #       <Bagder> I'll make the rockbox one more resistant to cvs failures
13.07.00 #       <Bagder> it fails far too often nowadays
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13.08.26 #       <Bagder> so it'll show the most recent working dump
13.08.35 #       <Bagder> instead of going blank
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13.11.41 #       <quelsaruk> back again to life
13.11.55 #       <Bagder> really? where?
13.12.09 #       <Bagder> that a special IRC channel?
13.12.13 #       * Bagder grins
13.13.34 #       <quelsaruk> jejejeje
13.13.52 #       <quelsaruk> i'm just a bot
13.13.57 #       <quelsaruk> not a real person :)
13.20.00 #       <Bagder> SYNTAX ERROR
13.21.34 #       <quelsaruk> me?
13.21.41 #       <quelsaruk> i'm just an error?
13.22.01 #       <Bagder> grep -c "^01/28/03" the-mail-log
13.22.04 #       <Bagder> 529
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13.23.08 #       <quelsaruk> ahh
13.23.09 #       <quelsaruk> :)
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13.28.03 #       <quelsaruk> at least.. now it is charging
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13.49.41 #       <quelsaruk> Bagder: if volkswagen is interested in conecting the archos to their radio sistem...
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13.49.58 #       <quelsaruk> using the rockbox firmware
13.50.38 #       <Zagor> quelsaruk: it's not volkswagen per se, rather it's a student doing a thesis at volkswagen
13.50.50 #       <quelsaruk> ahhh
13.50.58 #       <Bagder> I thought he asked for a student
13.51.10 #       <Zagor> did he?
13.51.10 #       <Bagder> to do the thesis he suggested
13.51.15 #       <quelsaruk> i thought it was volskwagen asking for a student
13.51.24 #       <Bagder> yes, I thought so too
13.51.25 #       <Zagor> ahhh, ok then I've misunderstood it
13.51.30 #       <quelsaruk> so...
13.51.59 #       <quelsaruk> you can buy a volkswagen and have a chance to incorporate a *extra complete* cd charger called archos jukebox
13.52.29 #       <quelsaruk> you don't have to buy it.. but if volkswagen want to investigate.. that could be good for archos...
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13.52.56 #       <PsycoXul> hhe
13.53.01 #       <quelsaruk> it's a new market for archos, so they may want to help rockbox devel. 
13.53.03 #       <PsycoXul> the fm recorder would be perfect
13.54.01 #       <quelsaruk> *bosses* what do you think?
13.54.21 #       <Bagder> I say "you wish"
13.54.28 #       <Zagor> :-)
13.54.36 #       <Bagder> that'll be the day
13.54.44 #       <Bagder> Archos doing anything for us? naaah
13.56.23 #       <quelsaruk> now they don't have a real economic interest that need helping us
13.57.07 #       <Bagder> yes they do
13.57.12 #       <Bagder> we improve their product
13.57.15 #       <Bagder> we make them sell more units
13.57.17 #       <quelsaruk> yes and no
13.57.41 #       <quelsaruk> but how many? how many more if they help?
13.57.44 #       <Bagder> so, helping us do a better product makes them sell more
13.57.50 #       <Bagder> well
13.57.58 #       <Bagder> helping us would be hardly any cost to them
13.58.03 #       <Bagder> so thet couldn't lose anyway
13.58.07 #       <quelsaruk> yea
13.58.22 #       <Bagder> so, ten more sold units would pay off their help
13.58.27 #       <Bagder> but they don't think like that
13.58.31 #       <quelsaruk> but they may be some kind of arcaic company
13.58.52 #       <quelsaruk> and 10.000 possible buyers... that's more than 10
13.59.11 #       <quelsaruk> nowadays you can buy an mp3-radio for the car
13.59.18 #       <Bagder> you want my guess?
13.59.30 #       <Bagder> if Archos would talk to VW, they would do their own software
13.59.35 #       <Bagder> without talking to us
13.59.40 #       <quelsaruk> i know
13.59.43 #       <quelsaruk> but i want to dream
13.59.45 #       <quelsaruk> :)
13.59.49 #       <Zagor> how is it nowadays, does the player simulator need lcd_update?
13.59.53 #       <Bagder> I'm the dream-breaker ;-)
13.59.58 #       <quelsaruk> faith is the last wthing we can loose 
14.00.19 #       <Bagder> Zagor: I don't know, its happen too much on that front lately ;-)
14.00.29 #       <Zagor> i'll test
14.00.51 #       <Zagor> seems like it doesn't need it
14.01.33 #       <Zagor> lcd_puts_scroll() doesn't scroll though
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14.14.58 #       <quelsaruk> lunch time....
14.15.07 #       <quelsaruk> see you later
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14.24.11 #       <Nibbler> "Use SLEEP instruction for longer (?) runtime"  does this really increase the runtime noticeable?
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14.27.02 #       <Zagor> Nibbler: define noticeable
14.27.12 #       <Zagor> it's measurable
14.27.34 #       <Nibbler> is it more than lets say 15 minutes on 2000mAh cells?
14.28.06 #       <Zagor> it's a little under 10%
14.28.45 #       <kargatis> that's an hour
14.28.57 #       <Nibbler> nice :)
14.32.20 #       <dwihno> Yay for SLEEP!
14.32.20 #       <dwihno> In the rockbox, the mighty rockbox, the CPU SLEEP's tonight! :-)
14.33.05 #       <Nibbler> lol
14.33.18 #       * kargatis tosses dwihno a few downers
14.33.21 #       <Nibbler> well, just patched my firmware with sleep, dunno why i didnt notice this b4
14.35.54 #       <Bagder> Zagor: know what
14.36.02 #       <Bagder> people will want that playlist sorted
14.36.19 #       <Bagder> to appear in the same order as dirs are displayed on screen
14.36.51 #       <Zagor> then they can sort them
14.37.56 #       <Zagor> i know, you're right. but I think this is good enough for 2.0
14.43.37 #       <kargatis> plus, most recursive playlists will be shuffled, i'd expect
14.44.18 #       <kargatis> will 2.0 include playlist browse?  if not, then the sorted playlist will have minimal usage
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14.50.52 #       <dwihno> The pending recording fixes from Linus will have to wait until 1.1?
14.50.55 #       <dwihno> 2.1, that is.
14.51.23 #       <dwihno> Yay! Recursive playlist creation!
14.51.46 #       <Zagor> dwihno: no, his fixes go in 2.0
14.52.00 #       <Zagor> they are not considered new features
14.52.09 #       <Bagder> zagor did you spot my concerns about playlists and sorting?
14.52.24 #       <Zagor> Bagder: yes
14.52.31 #       <dwihno> Zagor: Ah, only new features. Well, I must try the playlist creation rightaway!
14.52.34 #       <Zagor> <Zagor> i know, you're right. but I think this is good enough for 2.0
14.52.44 #       <Bagder> true
14.52.56 #       <Bagder> (I missed that in the netsplit list)
14.52.59 #       <Zagor> ok
14.53.33 #       <dwihno> *boot up*
14.53.42 #       <dwihno> Zagor: what happens if the files already exist?
14.54.34 #       <dwihno> whoa :D
14.54.36 #       <dwihno> It's alive!
14.54.49 #       <Zagor> dwihno: it brutally overwrites it
14.55.02 #       <dwihno> How swell! :D
14.55.31 #       <dwihno> Takes some time to process the entire disk :)
14.56.20 #       <Bagder> I'm off
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14.56.57 #       <Nibbler> hrm, i just tried to apply the bookmark/autobookmark patch but it totally failed patching any existing file. i also tried to apply it to the dayly build it was diff
14.57.00 #       <Nibbler> ed against
14.57.18 #       <Nibbler> did anyone else have problems with this?
14.57.18 #       <dwihno> works cool
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14.57.33 #       <kargatis> ben noted that old files would fail
14.57.42 #       <kargatis> because he added storage of the shuffle/repeat state
14.57.44 #       <Phantom> hi
14.57.53 #       <kargatis> you can edit the old files to update them, tho
14.57.54 #       <Nibbler> i tried lastes source, and the one he mentioned :|
14.58.05 #       <kargatis> add *0*0 to the end of the lines?
14.58.06 #       <Phantom> is somebody here use gnush for windows ?
14.58.30 #       <kargatis> Nibbler, you're complaining about old bmarks failing, right?  did you edit them as directed, see if it worked?
14.58.37 #       <Nibbler> no, i mean i tried to add the diff by patching the rockbox-code. and that failed
14.58.42 #       <kargatis> oh
14.58.45 #       <kargatis> nm
14.58.51 #       <Nibbler> sorry for unclear words b4 :)
14.59.02 #       <kargatis> misinterpreted 'existing file'
14.59.34 #       <Nibbler> well, bookmark.c/h were "patched". as they didnt exist b4 i assume
15.00.25 #       <Zagor> Nibbler: he's using some kind of Win32 tool that adds ^M to the files. I couldn't get the patch applied automatically either.
15.00.41 #       <Nibbler> ahhhh
15.00.48 #       <Nibbler> just wondered bout the much ^M stuff
15.00.57 #       <Phantom> I ve a problem when I compile :
15.00.59 #       <Phantom> sh-elf-objcopy -O binary ./archos.elf ./archos.bin
15.00.59 #       <Phantom> ../tools/scramble ./archos.bin ./ajbrec.ajz
15.00.59 #       <Phantom> GetFileData: ReadFilemake: *** [ajbrec.ajz] Error 1
15.01.00 #       <Nibbler> well, i'll sed the diff b4 patching then
15.02.48 #       <Phantom> nobody can help ?
15.02.58 #       <Nibbler> sorry, me not
15.03.04 #       <Phantom> arf
15.03.34 #       <Nibbler> oh well, not much to do by hand
15.03.35 #       <Phantom> and do you know how to apply a diff under windows ?
15.03.49 #       <Nibbler> but i cant see the ^M in the diff file, only the .rej file shows them
15.04.05 #       <Nibbler> sorry no Phantom. unless u use cygwin
15.05.00 #       <Phantom> lol
15.05.18 #       <Phantom> in don't find how to use cygwin
15.05.46 #       <Nibbler> ??
15.05.57 #       <Phantom> it don't work
15.06.19 #       <Phantom> I retry and tell you what exactly happens ...
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15.08.15 #       <Phantom> may I have CVS to use it ?
15.08.49 #       <Nibbler> what do u mean?
15.09.25 #       <Phantom> http://rockbox.my-vserver.de/win32-sdk.html
15.09.28 #       <Phantom> 9)
15.09.53 #       <Phantom> what may I do if I don't use CVS
15.10.11 #       <Nibbler> does not matter -how- u get the code....
15.10.32 #       <Phantom> ok back in 2 seconds, I retry
15.13.11 #       <kargatis> Zagor, mighta missed this in the split, but how long does a full disk recursive pl creation take?
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15.13.38 #       <Zagor> kargatis: depends on your data, of course. a couple of minutes for my 7000 files.
15.14.11 #       <kargatis> that a 40GB?
15.14.14 #       <Zagor> yes
15.14.36 #       <dwihno> Zagor: drains much battery?
15.15.19 #       <Zagor> a bit, of course. it's constant disk access.
15.15.23 #       <kargatis> only 58% of it
15.15.25 #       <kargatis> :)
15.15.41 #       <kargatis> [make 'em pay for their lack of foresight :-]
15.16.29 #       <dwihno> Zagor: It's just batteries, let's waste it! :D
15.17.46 #       <Zagor> there is no low power way to read the entire harddisk...
15.18.14 #       <dwihno> Nah.
15.18.25 #       <dwihno> Big buffers is good! :)
15.18.37 #       <dwihno> Btw, what happens if you erase a file which is playing?
15.18.47 #       <dwihno> even worse - while it's being read? :)
15.19.24 #       <Zagor> it will probably just fail reading and go to next file in list
15.19.48 #       <dwihno> probably? :-)
15.20.18 #       * dwihno thinks: surprise feature! :D
15.25.55 #       <Nibbler> ah, after removing the ^M (\r) it worked for all but one code change....
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15.30.15 #       <Phantom> hi
15.30.31 #       <Phantom> nibbler : that work now
15.30.35 #       <Nibbler> nice
15.30.52 #       <Phantom> so how to apply or unapply a diff
15.31.07 #       <Nibbler> either by hand :D
15.31.11 #       <Phantom> NOOOOO
15.31.19 #       <Nibbler> i use gnu patch for this
15.31.25 #       <Nibbler> works pretty fine
15.31.37 #       <Nibbler> but no idea what windoze tools there might b
15.31.44 #       <Phantom> arf
15.32.01 #       <Phantom> so...
15.32.11 #       <Phantom> by hand
15.33.09 #       <Phantom> for example :
15.33.10 #       <Phantom> RCS file: /cvsroot/rockbox/apps/tree.c,v
15.33.22 Part    Zagor
15.33.28 #       <Phantom> that mean this part is for tree.c
15.33.38 #       <Phantom> but what mean :
15.33.39 #       <Phantom> @@ -49,6 +49,7 @@
15.33.48 #       <Nibbler> its line numbers
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15.34.11 #       <Phantom> line "-49,6" ??
15.34.12 #       <Nibbler> starting at line 49 going for 6 lines in old file, shall be 7 lines in new file
15.34.17 #       <Nibbler> but u shoud look for a tool to do that
15.34.19 #       <Nibbler> seriously
15.34.27 #       <Phantom> ok
15.34.40 #       <Phantom> the "chip8" patch is not to big
15.34.46 #       <Phantom> but you are right
15.35.41 #       <Nibbler> heh
15.36.09 #       <Nibbler> its... well nice but useless in my eyes, as u can hardly play one of the games with the patch as it is atm
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15.37.18 #       <Phantom> yes but this is just for a try
15.37.24 #       <Nibbler> the playlist builder u were talking about b4, is there a patch for this one? am i blind?
15.37.52 #       <Zagor> Nibbler: it's already in
15.38.20 #       <Zagor> that's one of the perks of being project leader. I get to approve my own changes ;)
15.38.37 #       <Phantom> is the "diff" include in cygwin can be use to use .diff ?
15.38.43 #       <Schnueff> hehe :)
15.38.54 #       <Schnueff> and one gladly approves perfect code :)
15.39.04 #       <Zagor> hehe
15.39.10 #       <Phantom> ?
15.39.16 #       <Nibbler> Zagor: it is in the latest source? \o/ nice
15.39.32 #       <Nibbler> Phantom: no idea, i use gnu patch
15.39.33 #       <Zagor> Nibbler: I added it today, so you need to get it from cvs
15.39.42 #       <Nibbler> arrrrrrrrrrrrrr
15.39.42 #       <Nibbler> :)
15.39.55 #       * Zagor groans
15.40.02 #       * Nibbler goes and finds out about CVS
15.43.03 #       <Nibbler> ah, dont want to install CVS now, i'll wait for midnight :)
15.43.33 #       <langhaarrocker> you have the goat installed? :)
15.44.10 #       <Phantom> does anybody know how to use .diff with cygwin ?
15.45.41 #       <Zagor> Phantom: it's in the faq
15.45.47 #       <Phantom> arf
15.45.51 #       <Phantom>  sorry
15.45.52 #       <Zagor> .diff are the same as .patch
15.46.36 #       <Nibbler> goat? where r goats?
15.48.06 #       <langhaarrocker> if quel wasn't at lunch he might have thought the goat was funny.
15.48.12 #       <Phantom> is "patch" command works with cygwin ?
15.48.17 #       <Zagor> Phantom: yes
15.48.27 #       <Phantom> COOOl
15.48.43 #       <Phantom> I have others questions
15.49.26 #       <Phantom> is it possible to make the same thing as the original firmware with text, auto line return ?
15.49.52 #       <Zagor> in the text reader, you mean?
15.49.55 #       <Phantom> yes
15.50.02 #       <Zagor> yes, it's possible.
15.50.08 #       <Phantom> how ?
15.50.12 #       <Zagor> but nobody has fixed that yet
15.50.33 #       <Phantom> why fixe is need ?
15.50.51 #       <Zagor> because the text reader doesn't do word wrapping
15.51.11 #       <Phantom> so some words are cut
15.51.27 #       <Phantom> that is ?
15.51.32 #       <Zagor> no, they just don't fit on screen. you need to scroll right to see them.
15.51.47 #       <Phantom> ok
15.51.52 #       <Phantom> tks
15.52.07 #       <Phantom> see you soon
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15.57.13 #       <langhaarrocker> btw: a broken link on http://rockbox.haxx.se/cvsmod/cvsmod-2003-01-29%2013:40:00.html
15.57.13 #       <langhaarrocker> try to click on 'Project Rockbox Home'
15.57.34 #       <langhaarrocker> but rockboxx would be cool, too...
15.57.41 #       <Zagor> :-)
16.09.37 Nick    quel|lunch is now known as quelsaruk (~zaknafein@faerun.ugr.es)
16.09.42 #       <quelsaruk> ñam ñam :)
16.10.20 #       <langhaarrocker> Thats the name of a chinese fast food restaurant round the corner here
16.10.24 #       <Zagor> have some LaCasera for me
16.11.03 #       <quelsaruk> really?
16.11.17 #       <quelsaruk> Zagor: that's for summer
16.11.58 #       <quelsaruk> langhaarrocker: here, chinese restaurants have names like "the great wall"...
16.13.28 #       <quelsaruk> Zagor: when will "delete dir" be possible?
16.13.53 #       <Zagor> quelsaruk: do we really want it?
16.14.17 #       <Zagor> we have no trashcan, you know... :-)
16.14.24 #       <Schnueff> :)
16.15.00 #       <dwihno> heh
16.15.13 #       <dwihno> delete dir is powerful, but perhaps not that useful
16.15.52 #       <quelsaruk> Zagor:  i love risk
16.15.58 #       <quelsaruk> i dont use trash in windows
16.16.01 #       <quelsaruk> never
16.16.09 #       <Zagor> maybe we should add format too then ;)
16.16.17 #       <Zagor> fdisk
16.16.20 #       <quelsaruk> ummmm
16.16.23 #       <quelsaruk> YEAAAAAAA
16.16.27 #       <quelsaruk> pleeeeeease
16.16.30 #       <Zagor> :)
16.16.43 #       <quelsaruk> but i was talking seriously
16.16.49 #       <quelsaruk> i mean, the delete dir
16.17.14 #       <quelsaruk> i have a lot of stupid subfolders (don't ask me why)
16.17.26 #       <Zagor> ok. i haven't planned it, really. so I don't know when/if it will happen.
16.17.39 #       <quelsaruk> and i always forget to delete them from the pc
16.17.51 #       <kargatis> that last is a pretty weak excuse
16.18.16 #       <quelsaruk> but don't worry about when
16.18.34 #       <quelsaruk> kargatis: i always have really bad excuses ;) 
16.18.48 #       <quelsaruk> i'm too lazy to think really good ones
16.19.04 #       <Nibbler> lol@fdisk
16.19.12 #       <dwihno> quelsaruk: Just to bother Zagor, I'm with you ;D
16.19.19 #       <quelsaruk> create playlist possible?
16.19.22 #       <quelsaruk> wau
16.19.34 #       <quelsaruk> so you guys work while i'm eating?
16.19.50 #       <quelsaruk> i must have another lunch right now if so :)
16.19.51 #       <Zagor> quelsaruk: I always feel the other way around ;)
16.20.17 #       <quelsaruk> Zagor: *what* are you trying to say me?
16.20.18 #       <quelsaruk> ;)
16.20.21 #       <langhaarrocker> I prefer a playlist editor over delete dir feature. I'd prefer to have some spare time for programming.
16.20.40 #       <Zagor> playlist editor would be very nice
16.21.09 #       <langhaarrocker> Zagor: show us the code, please!
16.21.55 #       <quelsaruk> langhaarrocker: me too.. try to be pluri-employed... Study civil engeniering, repair all computers in your faculty and.. if you thought it was not enough, teach :)
16.22.14 #       <Zagor> Bah! I don't write code. I prefer to sit here and demand you implement my wishes.
16.22.37 #       <Zagor> quelsaruk: your lunches make up for all that! ;)
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16.23.44 #       <quelsaruk> i thought you didn't know what "spanish sense of humour" was... but today... wau.. i'm impressed 
16.23.45 #       <quelsaruk> :P
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16.24.58 #       <dwihno> beware of the spanish inquisition! quelsaruk's a member ;)
16.25.14 #       <quelsaruk> not just a member.. i'm the *one*
16.25.26 #       <langhaarrocker> quelsaruk: A job for you: the remote food order system on rockbox.
16.25.39 #       <quelsaruk> My name's quelsaruk  Torquemada
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16.25.57 #       <quelsaruk> hey... i'm not Fat
16.26.11 #       <quelsaruk> i just go home for lunch...
16.26.15 #       <quelsaruk> prepare my food...
16.26.16 #       <langhaarrocker> If Zagor goes on programming you'll be fat soon
16.26.25 #       <quelsaruk> well...
16.26.28 #       <quelsaruk> that's correct
16.26.30 #       <quelsaruk> :)
16.26.38 #       <quelsaruk> Zagor, please... stop programing
16.26.49 #       <Zagor> :)
16.27.55 #       <quelsaruk> and also.. exorcising a jukebox makes me be really hungry
16.28.26 #       <quelsaruk> i think i will do a thesis in "jukebox Technopriest"
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16.33.37 #       <dwihno> :-)
16.33.43 #       <dwihno> techno priest?
16.33.59 #       <dwihno> makes me think of johnny mnemonic and that psycho priest with implants up to his ears!
16.35.48 #       <langhaarrocker> for exorcising techno isn't very well suited. Use a jukebox full of metal instead.
16.36.13 #       <kargatis> or ancient catholic hymns, more like it
16.36.42 #       <langhaarrocker> yes. Preferably transformed to metal first.
16.37.06 #       <kargatis> i suppose if it's metal crosses it might help exorcise demons
16.37.23 #       <kargatis> ok, i'll let you off the spelling hook now
16.38.10 #       <quelsaruk> langhaarrocker: i'm a heavy metal son... does that fit?
16.42.47 #       <langhaarrocker> of course
16.43.41 #       <langhaarrocker> if the goat likes it...
16.50.42 #       <quelsaruk> ummm .. i'm stupid...
16.51.16 #       <quelsaruk> well not really
16.51.17 #       <quelsaruk> but....
16.51.46 #       <quelsaruk> in maths, the "X" axis goes before the "Y" axis....
16.52.47 #       <quelsaruk> why have i thought it was before the Y ??
16.52.49 #       <quelsaruk> really stupid
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17.05.43 #       <Zagor> gotta go
17.05.44 Part    Zagor
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17.56.36 #       <quelsaruk> any programmer here?
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18.01.46 #       <Nibbler> hrml
18.01.58 #       <Nibbler> i cant compile the sources i got form CVS
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18.03.00 #       <Nibbler> sais "no rule to build target ../docs/CREDITS, required by "credits.raw"
18.03.07 #       <Nibbler> which is a bit confusing for meh
18.03.13 #       <quelsaruk> ummm
18.03.37 #       <quelsaruk> Nibbler: try to make cvs checkout again
18.03.40 #       <Nibbler> did
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18.03.49 #       <Nibbler> just checked out again (did 1.5h ago last time)
18.03.51 #       <quelsaruk> these days cvs is quite unstable
18.04.14 #       <quelsaruk> and sometimes you don't download everyfile
18.04.16 #       <Nibbler> but stuff pointing to ../docs/CREDITS does not look like a code-error....
18.04.17 #       <quelsaruk> wait a minute
18.04.44 #       <quelsaruk> i'll check if i can build the cvs firmware
18.04.45 #       <quelsaruk> :)
18.04.53 #       <Nibbler> that would b nice
18.05.00 #       <quelsaruk> maybe it's because you don't have CREDITS
18.05.27 #       <Schnueff> hm maybe one needs to check out docs then?
18.05.53 #       <Nibbler> öhm
18.05.56 #       <Nibbler> weird
18.05.57 #       <Nibbler> works now
18.06.01 #       <quelsaruk> jajaja
18.06.01 #       <Nibbler> but hell....
18.06.14 #       <Nibbler> why is CREDITS needed for code generation?? :)
18.06.31 #       <Schnueff> they appear in the compiled version
18.06.33 #       <quelsaruk> because when you want to see the credits...
18.06.43 #       <Nibbler> st00pid me :)
18.06.58 #       <Nibbler> didnt think its taken from the docs/ directory....
18.07.07 #       <quelsaruk> jajajaja
18.07.09 #       <quelsaruk> :)
18.07.11 #       * Nibbler slaps quelsaruk around a bit with a large fake-trout
18.07.34 #       <quelsaruk> ouch
18.07.40 #       <quelsaruk> :P
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18.11.08 #       * Bagder looks around for the guilty 
18.11.22 #       <Schnueff> hm
18.11.26 #       <Schnueff> sim doesnt compile
18.11.28 #       <Bagder> red builds
18.11.29 #       <langhaarrocker> if you checkout the target rockbox-devel you don't have to care about which modules to check out.
18.11.54 #       <Schnueff> no DIR type in the sim, maybe #include <sys/types.h>, #include <dirent.h> missing?
18.12.00 #       <quelsaruk> not me
18.12.19 #       <quelsaruk> i swear Bagder, it was not me.. i was eating :P
18.12.33 #       <Schnueff> eat more, so someone's gonna fix it :)
18.13.14 #       <quelsaruk> umm
18.13.18 #       <quelsaruk> 18:15...
18.13.27 #       <quelsaruk> la hora de la merienda
18.13.30 #       <quelsaruk> :)
18.15.22 #       <Bagder> DIR exists in my sim
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18.15.39 #       <Schnueff> hm i get ../../apps/tree.c:1437: parse error before `*'
18.15.47 #       <Schnueff> at DIR*
18.15.49 #       <Bagder> update ;-)
18.15.51 #       <quelsaruk> Bagder: i've done a small change in F2 screen, to make other languages strings fit better. It's not as cool as the original, but it's just a first test. I'm going to send the patch to the patch tracker. Tell me if you like it. (not the code, just the display. Code is still a mess)
18.15.52 #       <quelsaruk> ok?
18.16.17 #       <Schnueff> uh fuck
18.16.18 #       <Schnueff> cvs [update aborted]: recv() from server cvs.rockbox.sourceforge.net: EOF
18.16.22 #       <Bagder> ok, but I might not do that until tomorrow, I'm about to leave soon
18.16.30 #       <Schnueff> ok :)
18.16.34 #       <Bagder> darned cvs server
18.16.37 #       <Schnueff> yep
18.18.09 #       <Schnueff> now i have it
18.23.30 #       <Bagder> no more red
18.23.43 #       <Schnueff> red red build
18.24.11 #       * Bagder detects that its getting late
18.24.51 #       <Schnueff> gotta go
18.24.53 #       * Schnueff ... away
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18.26.26 #       <quelsaruk> Bagder: red build.... quite bad....
18.26.29 #       <quelsaruk> tsk.. tsk...
18.26.51 #       <quelsaruk> these days you are doing it quite bad...
18.26.53 #       <Bagder> we blame Zagor
18.27.15 #       <quelsaruk> not zagor... you are the guilty one
18.27.29 #       <quelsaruk> :P
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18.28.57 #       <matsl> cu bbl!
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18.31.15 #       <Bagder> and we blame kjer for the yellow build
18.35.24 #       <Bagder> I'll spank him tomorrow for major bad code indent 
18.36.46 #       <Bagder> I've also updated the feature chart, should be up the next web update
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18.40.38 #       <quelsaruk> Bagder: you are quite agresive now
18.40.45 #       <quelsaruk> have a beer.. or two and relax
18.40.48 #       <quelsaruk> :)
18.41.04 #       <Bagder> will you buy me one?
18.41.18 #       <s0be> I'll take a liter of your finest IPA
18.41.23 #       <quelsaruk> an Alhambra 1925 especial
18.41.31 #       <Bagder> aaaaah, swell!
18.43.06 #       <quelsaruk> going out a little... cu later!
18.44.49 #       <Bagder> I'm off as well
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19.08.05 #       <Phantom> hi
19.08.48 #       <quel|out> hi
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19.24.17 #       <quel|out> hi adi
19.24.42 #       <AndyC_772> Oh, there really are people awake :-)
19.25.45 #       * quel|out looks around
19.25.47 #       <quel|out> really?
19.25.49 #       <quel|out> who?
19.25.54 #       <AndyC_772> I've a couple of vaguely interesting observations about how the power supply works on the FM recorder, that I haven't seen mentioned elsewhere...
19.26.30 #       <AndyC_772> 1) The battery charger really can only charge the battery - it doesn't seem to be able to actually power the unit (at least on mine).
19.27.08 #       <quel|out> AndyC_772: i think it would be better to write a mail with that info, because Uwe (the guru in charging) is not here and i don't know anything about that :(
19.27.14 #       <AndyC_772> 2) Plugging into USB doesn't provide any power either. I'm not even sure that it charges the battery, despite the battery icon appearing as though it should be.
19.27.59 #       <AndyC_772> How do I know this? I've spent the afternoon running Scandisk to try and map out a few bad sectors (grrr!), with USB and charger connected...
19.28.24 #       <AndyC_772> ...I then started to copy everything off the Archos prior to reformatting...
19.28.37 #       <quel|out> ummm.. wait a min
19.28.40 #       <AndyC_772> ...and after about 12GB worth, it suddenly powered off.
19.28.52 #       <quel|out> how do you know what? i'm lost
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19.29.33 #       <AndyC_772> That neither the USB port or charger can actually provide power.
19.29.41 #       <quelsaruk> with rockbox?
19.30.08 #       <quelsaruk> AFAIK USB doesn't provide power.
19.30.18 #       <AndyC_772> No, with the Archos firmware. Rockbox doesn't support the FM's battery yet, unless I'm mistaken?
19.30.25 #       <quelsaruk> nonono
19.30.33 #       <quelsaruk> we can't support it
19.30.35 #       <quelsaruk> :)
19.30.40 #       <AndyC_772> Can't?
19.30.46 #       <quelsaruk> i mean
19.30.49 #       <quelsaruk> not now
19.31.16 #       <AndyC_772> :-(
19.31.29 #       <quelsaruk> we do not know anything about it, and seems that rockbox always think the batt. is empty
19.31.37 #       <quelsaruk> have you read the mail list?
19.31.42 #       <quelsaruk> or..
19.31.56 #       <quelsaruk> have you tried bleeding edge rockbox for fm recorder?
19.32.39 #       <quelsaruk> i have just a recorder, so i can tell you just what i have read
19.32.43 #       <AndyC_772> Yes, I have - at least, as of a couple of days ago.
19.32.53 #       <quelsaruk> try last one...
19.32.59 #       <quelsaruk> i mena...
19.33.01 #       <quelsaruk> mean
19.33.41 #       <quelsaruk> you say that you tried the one a couple of days ago? or that you've been doing that for these last days?
19.34.05 #       <quelsaruk> i'm spanish, and sometimes... i make myself a mess with english :)
19.34.49 #       <AndyC_772> The last one I tried was archos20030126.ajz
19.35.25 #       <AndyC_772> Worked fine with a fully charged battery, but switched off when the battery was still about 2/3 full.
19.35.40 #       <quelsaruk> i don't think Uwe has developed anything new, but try last one...just to check it out :)
19.35.58 #       <quelsaruk> and talking about archos firmware
19.36.07 #       <s0be> quelsaruk: USB in the form that the rockbox uses CAN provide power, however, the rockbox doesn't implement it, and it's not the right (5-6)volts for the rockbox anyways
19.36.38 #       <AndyC_772> I'm not complaining - I was trying to offer some information that I hadn't seen, and didn't know whether you already knew.
19.36.57 #       <AndyC_772> I was just surprised to see the FM die with both USB and charger connected - but it did.
19.37.10 #       <quelsaruk> s0be: yes... i wanted to say that.. more or less
19.37.13 #       <quelsaruk> :P
19.37.30 #       <s0be> although that'd be a good hack
19.37.44 #       <quelsaruk> AndyC_772: i think it is normal..
19.37.52 #       <quelsaruk> at least with the normal recorder
19.38.12 #       <quelsaruk> if i transfer a huge amount of info.. my batt drains
19.38.28 #       <AndyC_772> Seems odd, but it does explain why my battery hadn't been lasting half as long as I expected.
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19.39.07 #       <AndyC_772> A couple of hours' playback, a complete Scandisk surface scan and 12GB of USB transfers were about all it could manage
19.39.43 #       <AndyC_772> What further information about the FM do you guys need? Have you had chance to dismantle one yet?
19.39.52 #       <quelsaruk> nop
19.40.13 #       <quelsaruk> 'cause none of the *crazy* people has one
19.40.29 #       <AndyC_772> *snigger*
19.40.37 #       <quelsaruk> i disassembled my recorder before i knew about rockbox.. just to have a look
19.41.15 #       <quelsaruk> but i understand people doesn't like to dissasemble their unit
19.41.25 #       <AndyC_772> I'll see how I feel - I do have an FM, a degree in electronics and a good digital camera... I was just hoping that someone would risk theirs first!
19.42.10 #       <AndyC_772> That said, Rockbox already seems to work pretty well - only the power stuff and the strange backlight behaviour struck me as needing to be fixed...
19.42.22 #       <AndyC_772> ...and I doubt you'll determine too much about those from the photos :(
19.42.33 #       <quelsaruk> you could be some kind of savior :)
19.42.51 #       <quelsaruk> i think uwe will need some measures
19.43.13 #       <AndyC_772> Let me fix my bad sectors and convince myself that the unit isn't faulty first - I'd hate to void my warranty and then need it.
19.43.20 #       <quelsaruk> and some schematics
19.43.30 #       <quelsaruk> i understand u
19.43.41 #       <AndyC_772> Measurements no problem, I have a calibrated meter in my desk drawer.
19.43.49 #       <AndyC_772> Schematics? Um... no.
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19.44.19 #       <quelsaruk> maybe with some photos a guru could try to make some schematics...
19.44.26 #       <quelsaruk> i'm not able
19.44.29 #       <quelsaruk> :)
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19.45.07 #       <AndyC_772> It's hard work, trust me - electronic engineering is my job, but reverse-engineering schematics is a rotten job.
19.45.29 #       <AndyC_772> Might be do-able on a 4 layer PCB. More than 2 routing layers and it gets a LOT harder.
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19.46.17 #       <quelsaruk> i'm just a civil engienier :)
19.46.35 #       <quelsaruk> i can calculate structures... roads, ports...
19.46.39 #       <quelsaruk> but not PCB
19.46.41 #       <quelsaruk> :)
19.48.09 #       <AndyC_772> Must go - pub to visit, beer to drink. I'll be back in touch if I can get any pictures :-)
19.48.20 #       <quelsaruk> see you!
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20.15.13 #       <quel|out> re Nibbler
20.15.22 #       <Nibbler> re
20.15.32 #       <Nibbler> weird.... on this network i always discon :|
20.15.46 #       <Nibbler> when, and how did i quit?
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20.17.16 #       <quel|out> does that answer your questions?
20.17.16 #       <Nibbler> ah, kk... ty
20.17.21 #       <Nibbler> absolutely
20.17.53 #       <quel|out> :)
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20.56.20 #       <quelsaruk> re-hi
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21.13.29 #       <quelsaruk> ok.. time to go home
21.13.34 #       <quelsaruk> see you tomorrow
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21.14.58 #       <ricII> I wish I'd sleeped that long..
21.15.05 #       <quelsaruk> jajajaja
21.15.15 #       <quelsaruk> well.. don't say that loud enough
21.15.44 #       <quelsaruk> just for being to hours as "quel|lunch" i'm the rockbox food expert  :)
21.15.58 #       <quelsaruk> you can be the dreaming head :)
21.16.25 #       <quelsaruk> cu!
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21.18.27 #       <ricII> :)
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21.43.07 #       <Nibbler> the bookmarking stuff, how does autobookmark work?
21.55.48 #       <Nibbler> .
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22.46.50 #       <elinenbe> hello
22.46.55 #       <Bagder> hey
22.46.58 #       <elinenbe> ricII: hello!
22.47.05 #       <elinenbe> JunkeyWRK: HELLO
22.47.56 #       <elinenbe> how come everyone wants to see the chip8 emulator?
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22.54.29 #       <Nibbler> it sounds very interesting, was the first patch i did try also
22.54.41 #       <Nibbler> but well.... chip8 games suck :D
22.54.49 #       <Bagder> it proves people are nuts for games
22.59.14 #       <hardeep> agreed Nibbler... i've tried out that chip8 simulator and the games suck
22.59.36 #       <elinenbe> chip 8 games sucked even way back when...
23.00.15 #       <Nibbler> heh. and well, without being able to (re) define the keys... totally hopeless
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23.01.42 #       <Nibbler> which of the current patches do u consider to be good to have?
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23.03.12 #       <NibbIer> which of the current patches do u consider to be good to have?
23.03.38 #       <Bagder> I have no idea
23.03.48 #       <Bagder> I'm lagging behind
23.03.53 #       <Bagder> patch-wise
23.04.16 #       <NibbIer> i have the  sleep thingy and the bookmark patch installed
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23.11.07 #       <elinenbe> NibbIer is the coolest
23.11.55 #       <ricII> hi elinenbe
23.12.47 #       <ricII> anyone got some mem usage info on nethack ?
23.13.22 #       <ricII> wouldn't that be cool, nethack on rockbox ??
23.13.33 #       <NibbIer> what is nethack
23.13.51 #       <elinenbe> ricII: how is the playlist coding coming?
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23.14.06 #       <ricII> elinenbe notime :(
23.15.08 #       <ricII> Nibbler: classic opensource adventure game
23.15.18 #       <NibbIer> oh
23.15.27 #       <NibbIer> textbased i assume :)
23.15.46 #       <NibbIer> doom sourcecode has is released also *hinthint*
23.16.56 #       <ricII> Nibbler: nice gui on nethack http://www.hut.fi/~jtpelto2/nhfeatures.html
23.29.20 #       <MT> boulderdash would be ace
23.29.28 #       <MT> i should try n port it
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23.35.00 #       <Sparks> Anyone alive here!?
23.35.51 #       <Sparks> I have the FM Recorder, and have tred putting version 1.4 on it, but it doesnt seem to have done anything!
23.36.37 #       <ricII> Sparks you will need a daily build from cvs..
23.36.53 #       <Sparks> oh right, whatere do i go to get that!
23.37.26 #       <Sparks> ohh yes, just found the daily builds section!
23.39.50 #       <Sparks> hmm, i guess i need to download the latest .ajz file - how do I extract the files from that!?
23.41.43 #       <elinenbe> Sparks: just copy that to the jukebox
23.42.38 #       <Sparks> okay, thanks :)
23.43.08 #       <Sparks> when the jukebox is booted with the USB connected, does it just use the firmware in the ROM?
23.44.19 #       <Sparks> and di i need the .rockbox folder on the jukebox for this mod?
23.44.22 #       <Jet8810> hey guys
23.44.25 #       <Jet8810> got Archos car kit today
23.45.14 #       <Sparks> does it work with the FM Recorder?
23.45.43 #       <Jet8810> dont have FM
23.45.45 #       <Jet8810> so I dont know
23.46.05 #       <MT> Sparks: what you do is this
23.46.25 #       <MT> extract the .rockbox folder from the 1.4 version to the root of your jukebox
23.46.39 #       <MT> add the latest ajbrec.ajz to the root of your jukebox
23.46.49 #       <MT> SAFELY REMOVE THE USB CABLE
23.46.58 #       <MT> the jukebox will reboot
23.47.08 #       <Jet8810> heh yea
23.47.10 #       <MT> and load rockbox
23.47.12 #       <Jet8810> my friend did some weird thing
23.47.14 #       <Jet8810> he made a .rockbox folder
23.47.21 #       <MT> if you want to REMOVE it
23.47.22 #       <Jet8810> and extracted .ajz file into that folder
23.47.23 #       <Jet8810> and it works
23.47.29 #       <MT> turn it off
23.47.43 #       <MT> if it wont turn off, hold down off for >5 seconds and it will ;)
23.47.46 #       <MT> plug it into usb
23.47.53 #       <MT> archos firmware will load
23.47.57 #       <MT> and you can delete it
23.48.14 #       <MT> the FM code is like early alpha - its not finished yet :)
23.48.34 #       <Sparks> Fantastic - i was slightly worred that there would be no way to boot the jukebox without loading the new firmware :)
23.48.52 #       <MT> ooh
23.49.00 #       <MT> i havent read mailing list for today
23.49.11 #       <MT> but last recommendations were to charge up using the archos firmware
23.49.23 #       <MT> ie plug the charger in with the jukebox turned off
23.49.57 #       <Sparks> but i guess when it is booted when you plug in the USB, then it does not load the new firmware?
23.51.18 #       <MT> correct :)
23.51.26 #       <Sparks> gr8 :D
23.51.39 #       <Sparks> how do i tell that it has loaded the new firmware!?
23.51.48 #       <MT> it works better :)
23.51.55 #       <Jet8810> heh
23.51.59 #       <Sparks> lol - 
23.52.08 #       <Sparks> will it then resume mid track>
23.52.14 #       <MT> there will be a rockbox logo when it boots up
23.52.15 #       <MT> yes
23.52.28 #       <Sparks> *testing*
23.53.10 #       <Sparks> hmm, i dont get the logo :( - and it didn't resume :(
23.54.13 #       <MT> what is the file called
23.54.18 #       <Sparks> ajbrec.ajz
23.54.20 #       <MT> the .ajz file
23.54.23 #       <MT> hmm
23.54.45 #       <MT> and where is it?
23.54.54 #       <Sparks> in the root of the jukebox
23.55.19 #       <Sparks> i downloaded archos20030129.ajz 
23.55.20 #       <MT> what happens when you press f1
23.55.32 #       <MT> and renamed it ajbrec.ajz ?
23.55.44 #       <Sparks> yep
23.56.01 #       <MT> stumped
23.56.07 #       <MT> <MT> what happens when you press f1
23.56.22 #       <Sparks> ohh, i just booted it, and  the contrast is way too high
23.56.28 #       <MT> heh
23.56.29 #       <Sparks> jsut re booting it
23.56.32 #       <MT> noo
23.56.37 #       <MT> press f1
23.56.39 #       <MT> er
23.56.57 #       <Sparks> ok, it is still really high, but i saw the rockbox logo :)
23.56.57 #       <MT> down, right, down, down, down, right
23.57.01 #       <MT> i think
23.57.41 #       <MT> tell you in a second
23.57.47 #       <Sparks> yep, ajusted :)
23.58.00 #       <Sparks> backlight seem to be off though
23.58.35 #       <MT> f1 down right down down right down down down right 
23.58.39 #       <MT> then up or down
23.58.40 #       <MT> yes
23.58.49 #       <MT> <MT> the FM code is like early alpha - its not finished yet :)