--- Log for 13.02.103 Server: leguin.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16p1 Started: 24 days and 9 hours ago 00.00.03 # l8er peeps. I off 4 a bit.. 00.00.04 # well that yes 00.00.09 # Galik: cu 00.00.11 # seeya Galik 00.00.19 # but a lot of echo 00.00.20 # yeah I have to go as well 00.00.23 # and too much bass 00.00.26 # Nice to talk to you Linus 00.00.34 # tracktheripper: will you be around? 00.00.35 # All the best 00.00.58 # Should be back on midnight UK time 00.00.58 Quit Galik ("Client exiting") 00.01.15 # 1hr? 00.01.21 # yea 00.01.36 # cu then 00.01.37 # ill see you then Linus 00.01.39 # in an hours time 00.01.44 # Nice to meet you for the first time :) 00.02.04 # Don't work too hard trying to fix the "Auto Voice Transcriber" request! :-) 00.02.04 # :-) 00.02.18 # tracktheripper: oh, i have been pulling my hair with that one 00.02.22 # :-) 00.02.46 # lol To be honest it was onlly meant as a joke that request :-) 00.03.03 # nevr say never :-) 00.03.07 # anyways ill see u later :-) 00.03.31 Quit tracktheripper ("Leaving") 00.06.30 # i still have hardware problems with my unit 00.06.46 # it reboots for no reason in the middle of songs 00.07.06 # and out of waranty.. i can't do anything now:( 00.07.36 # i'm cursed 00.09.48 Join Jet8810 [0] (~Josh@adsl-34-81-83.mia.bellsouth.net) 00.13.46 # BoD[]: i wish i could help you 00.14.03 # :) noone can help me now 00.14.05 # BoD[]: i assume that you have tried toresolder the battery connectors 00.14.25 # hummmm ... no i did not try anything :) 00.14.35 # resolder ? 00.14.43 # can you make it happen by squeezing the bumpers? 00.16.28 # I guess so 00.16.52 # Linus how is your wife feeling these days? 00.17.09 # well in fact i can make it *start* by squeezing the bumpers (when it's off) :) is it normal ? 00.17.30 # BoD[]: not really 00.17.35 # i had that with my player as well 00.18.04 # bad soldering of the battery connectors 00.18.12 # adi|work: same same... 00.23.01 # i'll look at it 00.23.16 # open it and look at the solderings 00.23.24 # also the springs 00.23.59 # ok.. but i'm not a "solder" man :) i've never solder anything 00.24.11 # BoD[]: no HW friends? 00.24.46 # hmm my sister's man.; but they live in uk (and i live in france) 00.25.17 # if you live near Toulouse you can ask my father to fix is for you :-) 00.26.02 # really ? :) why, does he live here ? 00.26.16 # warmer and nicer than sweden :-) 00.27.25 # true 00.31.19 Quit MT ("changing servers") 00.32.40 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.34.36 Join MT [0] (mt@fido.impulsed.net) 00.53.26 # i do hope she feels better mate 00.53.38 Join tracktheripper [0] (jirc@ACB5A8C8.ipt.aol.com) 00.53.45 # Hi Linus 00.54.02 # hi 00.54.13 # yea I did say i'd return :-) 00.54.21 Quit MT ("changing servers") 00.55.11 # whats the latest? 00.55.22 # nothing, i guess 00.55.33 # i am not working on rockbox at the moment 00.55.51 # oh right 00.55.58 # Wheres Zagor these days? 00.57.15 # i don't know, i guess he's busy 00.57.24 # :-) 00.57.31 # haven't had much of a chance to chat to him 00.58.43 # Can you tweak the firmware just using Notepad/ 00.58.51 # ? 00.59.22 # hehe, you mean change the executable code 01.00.08 # notepad will not do, i guess 01.00.10 # yea thats right 01.00.14 # awwwwwww 01.00.31 # but emacs, or a hex editor would work 01.00.49 # but you'll have to recalculate the scrambling and the checksum..... 01.05.23 # btw, did you hear about the new archos model ? 01.05.54 Join hardeep [0] (1098@208.247.65.237) 01.06.19 # BoD[]: new model? 01.06.24 # hardeep: hi 01.06.30 # they showed it at the cebit 01.06.31 # hello 01.06.39 # it's like the multimedia but with a big screen 01.06.45 # in that case Linus ill stick to bug reporting! 01.08.41 # BoD[]: ah, k00l 01.08.48 Join MT [0] (mt@fido.impulsed.net) 01.08.48 # tracktheripper: come on, it's not that hard 01.09.14 # yeah k00l :) 01.09.42 # if I can get the bleeding software to work then yes :) 01.10.28 # tracktheripper: how far did you come with the cygwin stuff? 01.10.39 # not very. Ill tell you what Linus 01.10.54 # if I give you my email address can you email me step by step what I need to do? 01.10.58 # please? 01.13.09 # let him take control of your computer ;) 01.13.13 # he'll do it for you 01.13.24 # lol 01.18.38 # would GNUSH work to compile Rockbox? 01.22.18 # tracktheripper: see http://rockbox.haxx.se/sh-win/ for instructions on how to complie using GNUSH 01.22.26 # personally, I prefer cygwin 01.22.53 Quit MT ("changing servers") 01.23.04 # follow the instructions at http://rockbox.my-vserver.de/win32-sdk.html to get a cygwin environment setup 01.23.09 # oh ok 01.23.20 # Hardeep is it easy writing code for the Archos? 01.23.28 Join MT [0] (mt@fido.impulsed.net) 01.24.00 # tracktheripper: have you ever programmed in C? 01.24.21 # Ive havent programmed in my life 01.26.20 # then I wouldn't say it's easy... it's certainly not difficult but you're going to have to learn some basic C programming before you can start working on rockbox 01.26.45 # oohhhhhhhh right 01.26.53 # :( 01.28.31 # cheers for ur help though 01.28.32 # :) 01.28.39 # i'm sure there are many tutorials online that you can begin with... or buy a book 01.28.59 # :) 01.29.54 # try to make a "clock" 01.30.06 # it's a good way to start coding 01.30.08 # tracktheripper: problem is, that C programming in an embedded environment (not in a PC) is even more difficult, since you need to know lots of shit about the hardware as well 01.30.19 # ohhhhh 01.30.26 # well in that case I may as well throw in the towel :-( 01.30.38 # still, it's not all that hard, and very very fun 01.31.06 # im sure it is, but for mere mortals like me who know nothing about programming 01.32.23 # Didn't an older version of Rockbox have an analogue clock in the interface? 01.33.06 # there is one in the demo menu 01.33.22 # in the Bounce demo 01.33.44 # you may first try to make a clock for your os .. just to learn C :) 01.33.47 # yeah cheers 01.33.49 # can see it 01.34.06 # a clock or anything anyway... 01.34.30 # well if I can learn C ill get my Auto Voice Transcriber to work!!! 01.34.35 # ((laughs his head off!)) 01.34.38 # :-) 01.34.50 # :D 01.34.58 # maybe why not :) 01.35.51 # Seriously if I could get this programming lark to work I'd add ID3 tag management into Rockbox 01.36.30 Join Galik [0] (~Galik@public1-char1-6-cust252.pool.broadband.ntl.com) 01.37.47 # Hi 01.37.51 # hi 01.38.03 # What time of day do the 'daily builds' get updated? 01.38.20 # i think 6am swedish time 01.38.30 # k 01.38.42 # How far is sweeded ahead of the uk? 01.38.42 # Linus why not add an option to show the date in the WPS? 01.38.52 # sweeded=sweeden 01.38.53 # but the bleeding edge builds are made every 20 minutes 01.39.07 # ahhh thnx i'll use that then 01.39.34 # tracktheripper: sure 01.40.23 # Just a suggestion 01.40.57 Join BrianHH [0] (~bhartman@bgp422784bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 01.41.18 # tracktheripper: file a feature request if there isn't one already 01.41.31 Quit MT ("changing servers") 01.41.35 # ive already done that Linus 01.42.03 Join MT [0] (mt@fido.impulsed.net) 01.43.09 # Hi, all. When I boot my Jukebox 10 player, it displays the standard "Jukebox, Ver 5.08", but then it goes right to "HD Error". I've tried getting into it through USB to reformat, but it's not recognized as a drive at this point. Is there anything else I can do, short of sending it back? 01.43.39 # BrianHH: any idea how or when it became like that? 01.44.31 # LinusN: I plugged it in to charge last night, and when I woke up this morning and looked at it, the error was there. 01.45.14 # BrianHH: did you run it to the very end before that? 01.46.10 # LinusN: I've had it about a month. The first few times I charged it, I let it run until the empty battery started blinking, but I haven't been letting it run down that low for awhile. 01.46.27 # sounds like your hard disk has been locked 01.46.37 # take a look at this: http://rockbox.haxx.se/lock.html 01.48.28 # when is version 2.0 coming? 01.48.53 # i think it will take another few weeks 01.49.54 # Just wondered what will be included not present in version 1.4 01.50.11 # recording, queue, playlist building...and more 01.50.20 # file handling 01.50.26 # LinusN: Thanks for the link. The error I'm getting doesn't say anything about "Part.", though. It's just the normal "HD Error" message. Do you still think that's it? 01.50.35 # not sure 01.50.39 # oh right. No timestretching or auto voice transcriber? (JOKE!!!!) 01.50.40 # :-) 01.51.07 # BrianHH: any strange noises? 01.51.31 # tracktheripper: Just curious. Why do you want timestretching? 01.51.55 # Galik: it would be soooo cool for DJ:ing 01.52.14 # because I like to slow some songs to identify hard-to-understand lyrics 01.52.24 # in some songs 01.52.32 # two recorders in a case, a hell of a portable DJ equipment 01.52.33 # lol good point! 01.52.39 # :) 01.52.42 # LinusN: When I was charging it, it kinda made a humming noise, but right now I'm not getting any noises at all from it. It doesn't even sound like the hard drive's coming on. Usually, I can feel it vibrate when I turn it on. Now - nothing. 01.52.52 # I had a Creative Labs Nomad that can timestretch 01.52.59 # BrianHH: sounds like your batteries are fried 01.53.34 # did you get a spare set with the player? 01.54.48 # LinusN: No. It only came with one set (the one in the player). and I don't have any allen wrenches to get the thing apart, either. I guess I can just get it repaired. It's still under warranty, but I threw away the packaging like 2 weeks ago... 01.55.25 Quit tracktheripper ("Leaving") 01.55.47 # BrianHH: wrenches? 01.56.09 # LinusN: I just noticed that when I turn it on, it makes a small sound like a beep or a squeak (I'm not sure which). 01.56.14 # you don't need any tools to access the batteries 01.56.26 # LinusN: How do I get to the batteries? 01.56.37 # well, maybe an ordinary screwdriver 01.57.06 # LinusN: I see the things you're supposed to use, I think. Do I put the screwdriver in one side at a time? 01.57.10 # the covers are removeable, look at the small notch between the display panel and the cover 01.57.50 # bend the cover off slightly with a screwdriver 01.59.08 # Okay. I've gotta go get a screwdriver. brb. 02.03.16 # This battery problem of the FM rec. Is it just a the level that's miss reportes that causes it to shut down? 02.03.36 # I mean could I jimmy the code to always report full battery as a quick fix? 02.04.13 # Galik: we believe that it shuts down because Rockbox tries to start the charging 02.04.21 Part BrianHH ("I like core dumps") 02.04.45 # and it seems the charging is not s/w controlled on the fm recorder 02.04.50 # Well if I gimmy the battery level function will rockbox just never start the charging? 02.05.02 # Galik: i believe so 02.05.35 # Cos if I know it's full then it should be safe :) 02.05.37 # Galik: the latest bleeding edge should work 02.05.44 # I using it now 02.05.56 # and it's shutting down? 02.05.56 # Reporting Battery 32% at startup :( 02.06.05 # I know it's full tho 02.06.16 # It's playing at the moment 02.06.31 # Galik: so why change the battery reporting code? 02.06.55 # Because it thinks it's 30% but it's really at 100% 02.07.16 # So it won't play for as long 02.07.22 # i guess? 02.07.25 # i call that a minor problem compared to shutting off the device :-) 02.07.46 # hehe 02.07.46 # Galik: rockbox does not care about the battery level 02.07.59 # it will play until it dies 02.08.36 # n1 then 4 me rockbox is a goer!! Thnx to the team :) 02.08.47 # you're welcome 02.10.03 # Now I have a vested interest at last I may start looking at the code... 02.11.28 # great 02.19.59 Quit edx () 02.25.13 # what is sh-elf-gcc? Where do I get it? 02.26.15 # it is the C compiler for the SH1 processor 02.26.36 Join BrianHH [0] (~bhartman@bgp422784bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 02.26.38 # you either download it or you build it 02.26.58 # I hope every single person on Archos's support staff rots in a firey hell.... 02.27.08 # it's 2:27 guys 02.27.13 # time to go to bed ;) 02.28.10 # Galik: windows? then read http://rockbox.my-vserver.de/win32-sdk.html 02.28.27 # nope Linux 02.28.40 # BrianHH: nice wording :-) 02.29.02 # LinusN: Good thing I'm feeling polite tonight. ;) 02.29.26 # How long are these f*ckwits gonna keep me on hold? 02.30.59 # BrianHH: a busy support line is never a good sign :-) 02.31.18 # always call the support before you buy a product 02.31.37 # then you get an idea of how much problem they have with their products :-) 02.32.05 # LinusN: I'm beginning to think I should just take the thing apart and void my warranty so I can replace the hard drive. It's pretty obvious I'm not going to get any support from these dipshits. 02.32.42 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.32.48 Quit BoD[] ("putain 2:32") 02.34.03 # BrianHH: i'm still not sure it's the hd 02.34.03 # i'd start with replacing the batteries 02.34.38 # Call the sales department and get them to transfer u to support 02.34.47 # Sales always answer quicker 02.35.03 # And want to get rid of u if thay won't sell anything 02.53.32 # nn peeps 02.53.49 Quit Galik ("Client exiting") 03.05.45 # Hi, LinusN. I got off the phone w/ them a little while ago. They said it was probably the batteries. I went out and bought new ones. I put the odds of them working at about 10 to 1... 03.06.03 Quit s0be (Remote closed the connection) 03.06.17 Join s0be [0] (~s0be@163.118.102.31) 03.07.33 # BrianHH: the fact that the disk doesn't spin up is a sure sign of battery death 03.07.47 # BrianHH: what type of batteries did you buy? 03.08.32 # LinusN: I bought Duracell NiMH batteries. I paid too much, though, 'cause I also had to buy the charger. (I wanted to try to resolve this tonight.) 03.09.13 # LinusN: I hope you're right. I guess I'll wait the 6 or 8 hours or whatever it is and see if that makes a difference. 03.09.16 # 1500mAh? or more? 03.09.28 # LinusN: 1600mAh 03.09.48 # The tech support guy said the unit can take up to 1800mAh 03.10.13 # i had a bad cell a few months ago in my player 03.10.35 # strange clicking noises while the hard drive repeatedly tried to spin up 03.10.57 # LinusN: Mine makes whirring noises... 03.11.44 # BrianHH: any explanations why >1800 isn't supported? 03.12.28 # LinusN: No idea. I'm guessing something could get fried if you make the batteries too strong? 03.13.14 # BrianHH: i guess their charging algorithm isn't made for larger cells 03.13.46 # rockbox should handle larger cells well 03.14.26 # LinusN: As long as the larger batteries don't fry anything, maybe I'll try them... 03.14.53 # Now I've gotta wait 6 hours to see if this works. 03.16.32 # BrianHH: a long wait... 03.17.17 # LinusN: The only thing that the 1600/1800 affects is how long the batteries last. It's possible that the more than 1800 operate a bit out of spec and provide 1.7 volts or more and that would amass to nearly 7 volts, which would be a 'bad thing' if you don't have a 5v voltage regulator in something 03.17.22 # LinusN: I'm tempted to check in 3 hours before I go to bed and see how it's doing, but I doubt that'll be good for it... 03.17.57 # crap, I stopped lurking... back to lurk mode 03.19.34 # Or else I could just put the other 2 batteries I bought in the 5-hour charger they came with. :) 03.20.16 # you bought 6 batteries? 03.21.22 # LinusN: I bought 4. Oops....forgot about the other side! LOL. :) brb. 03.32.53 # One thing that makes me kinda suspicious is that when I turn it on, it doesn't shut off. I would think that if it was a battery problem, that initial screen would blink out quickly. Instead, I have to shut the thing off manually. It doesn't even go off by itself. 03.34.43 # maybe the Archos error handling code doesn't start the poweroff timer 03.35.51 # That could be it. I'm just hoping that 6 hours from now I have a working player. I couldn't even hook it up to the AC to use the hard drive. 03.36.36 # That's the other thing I don't understand: If it's a battery problem, I would think you would be able to operate it with the adapter... 03.37.00 # no you can't 03.37.22 # the AC adapter can't deliver the current needed for the drive to spin up 03.37.54 # LinusN: Oh, okay. That explains it. Thanks. :) 03.38.47 # it barely handles the current needed to keep it spinning, so some people experience that their batteries drain when USB'ing even with the adapter attached 03.39.39 # LinusN: I was using the USB part a lot, since I was dumping all my CD's on to the player.... 03.41.01 # that shouldn't kill the batteries, though 03.41.32 # i just love the USB2.0 interface of the Recorder :-) 03.41.45 # Well, considering that that's what it's built for, I should hope it wouldn't hurt the batteries. :) 03.42.14 # LinusN: I was going to get the recorder, but I decided to go cheap. 10 gigs is pretty much just like having your own personal radio, anyway. ;) 03.42.15 # i guess you got a set of flaky batteries with your unit 03.42.31 # i have 40 in my recorder 03.42.56 # LinusN: You did the hack with a notebook drive? 03.43.22 # almost any 9.5mm 2.5" drive will work 03.43.44 # almost? 03.43.45 # :) 03.43.57 # well, some drives are a little power hungry 03.44.39 # I just hope that at the end of 6 hours I have a workable unit again. That's all I ask. (Well, that, and that the data's still there. ;)) 03.44.42 # but most drives will work just fine 03.44.51 # :-) 03.44.57 Quit _seb_ (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.45.17 # One day, when I get brave (and my warranty has expired) maybe I'll try a larger drive. :) 03.45.47 # :-) 03.47.00 Join _seb_ [0] (Sean@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 03.47.31 # I give their tech support a 5 out of 10. They seemed knowledgeable, but getting through to them was like pulling teeth....by way of your ass..! 03.50.32 # Is it okay to let the player charge when it's not in use (but before it's empty)? 03.51.19 # generally, every charge cycle wears down your batteries 03.51.33 # especially if they get hot 03.52.08 # So I guess the fact that I could use mine to fry an egg this morning was probably a bad sign, huh? :) 03.52.09 # however, as far as i know, the Player charge rate is pretty harmless 03.52.24 Quit s0be (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.52.52 # the Player models have no way of stopping the charging when the batteries are full 03.53.07 # so they will keep on charging forever 03.53.24 # Even after they display "Battery Charged"? 03.53.31 # yes 03.53.57 # Uh oh....Guess I'm getting up at 3 am to unplug it, then. ;) 03.54.07 # don't worry 03.54.26 # as long as you don't charge for several days, you should be ok 03.55.14 # Oh, okay. Thanks. :) 03.55.29 # I really didn't wanna get up at 3 am. ;) 03.55.29 # the recorder models, however, have s/w controlled charging 03.56.47 # I guess I'm a little behind the times. :) 04.00.59 Join thu_ [0] (~thu@h24-78-136-7.vc.shawcable.net) 04.05.54 # i wish i knew why some people get 0-length files when recording 04.10.34 Quit Jet8810 ("Client Exiting") 04.12.15 # time to go to bed, it's 4am here 04.12.57 # nite all 04.12.59 Part LinusN 04.16.41 Join s0be [0] (~s0be@163.118.102.31) 04.17.59 Quit thu (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.25.29 Join Nibbler [0] (Ich@law0094.pc.nus.edu.sg) 04.25.31 # ello 04.32.43 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.14.24 Join Kshain [0] (Kshain@216.83.45.15) 05.15.02 # someone for the love of god help me. What does *PANIC* ATA -1 and -2 mean? 05.15.42 # Kshain: It's a countdown to when your JB is going to explode... RUN! 05.16.07 # please tell me your joking 05.16.15 # =) 05.16.48 # yeah, an ATA error means there is something wrong with the file i/o 05.16.59 # what are you doing when the error occurs? 05.17.12 # trying to start my jukebox up 05.17.51 # hmmmm, remove rockbox from your system... does it boot up then? 05.17.57 # heres the current scenario: I have something wrong where my jukebox freezes whenever I am half way through a song 05.18.11 # then when I turn it on, I get a HD error flag 05.18.26 # that sounds an awful lot like a problem with your hard drive 05.18.30 # every once in a while, I get a panic ata -1 or -2 flag 05.18.41 # have you run scandisk on it? 05.18.47 # many times 05.18.58 # nothing happens. I have some bad sectors, but thats about it 05.23.59 # I just proceeded in voiding my warranty by taking my archos apart, so Im a nervous wreck 05.25.03 Nick _seb_ is now known as seb-sleep (Sean@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 05.27.24 # Zagor's the one to ask about what exactly the errors mean but they're during disk initialization which likely means somsething seriously wrong with the drive 05.27.45 # have you tried re-formatting the hard drive? 05.29.52 Join adi|home [0] (~adiamas@as5300-9.216-194-23-45.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) 05.33.10 # yes. Ive repartioned it and everything 05.33.34 # what exactly could be wrong with the drive??? 05.38.42 # unfortunately, it could be a hardware problem 05.39.21 # you can try putting another hard drive in it to see if the problem still occurs 05.39.35 Quit seb-sleep ("Who knows what tomorrow will bring... maybe sunshine, maybe rain. But as for me I'll wait and see.") 05.39.36 # oh, check the connectors first... maybe something's loose 05.39.44 # connector? 05.39.53 # which ones? 05.41.33 Join seb-sleep [0] (Sean@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 05.42.00 # the one connecting your hard drive to the JB 05.42.22 # oh, another thing that may be worth checking is the batteries 05.42.35 # maybe the hard drive isn't getting enough power to properly startup 05.42.51 # Ive tried two sets of batteries 05.44.58 # as far as the new hdrive solution, if i could only find someone with an extra harddrive.... 05.47.22 # damn 05.52.57 Join elinenbe_ [0] (~chatzilla@user-0cev121.cable.mindspring.com) 05.54.16 Quit s0be (Remote closed the connection) 05.55.39 Nick elinenbe_ is now known as elinenbe|sleep (~chatzilla@user-0cev121.cable.mindspring.com) 06.04.03 Join s0be [0] (~s0be@163.118.102.31) 06.06.58 Quit hardeep ("BitchX: cleaner, drier, protects even better") 06.07.09 Quit Kshain () 06.32.46 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.06.09 Join matsl [0] (~matsl@dhcp104.contactor.se) 08.04.42 Join Guest [0] (jirc@village4-093m.fdu.edu) 08.04.45 Quit Guest (K-lined) 08.05.34 Quit thu_ ("zZz") 08.11.25 Quit elinenbe|sleep (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 08.15.37 Join stefan_ [0] (~calpefros@gtso-d9bb8307.pool.mediaWays.net) 08.15.43 Nick stefan_ is now known as calpefrosch (~calpefros@gtso-d9bb8307.pool.mediaWays.net) 08.18.22 # morning 08.18.35 # ricII: did you write the new playlist code ? 08.28.40 Nick dw|gone is now known as dwihno (dwihno@193.180.246.67) 08.32.47 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.43.15 # is there new playlist code in latest builds?? 08.43.58 # don't think so 08.46.37 Join Zagor_ [242] (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) 08.46.40 Nick Zagor_ is now known as Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) 08.48.04 # Welcome back, Zagor! :) 08.48.11 # * Zagor bows 08.48.12 # I got my USB2 card yesterday! :) 08.48.29 # It's so damn speedy! (well, at least compared to USB1.1) :) 08.49.12 # yup 08.49.45 # morning 08.52.23 Part Zagor 08.52.45 Join Zagor_ [242] (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) 09.17.09 Quit calpefrosch ("leaving") 09.46.23 Join bobTHC [0] (~bobTHC@AMarseille-206-2-1-9.abo.wanadoo.fr) 09.46.28 # hi all 09.49.45 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 09.49.54 # hey Zagor_ 09.50.00 Nick Zagor_ is now known as Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) 09.50.00 # hi 09.50.31 # are the source tarballs created correctly since the major include file move? 09.50.48 # no. i just fixed that. 09.50.52 # ok 09.54.20 Join langhaarrocker [0] (~Phil@212-204-020-029.dsl1.versanet.de) 09.58.25 # Hi Linus! :D 09.58.38 # hi 09.59.11 Join quelsaruk [0] (~zaknafein@faerun.ugr.es) 09.59.17 # hej! 09.59.52 # hello, spain 10.00.22 # hey! 10.00.30 # good morning linus ghost! 10.00.33 # * dwihno thinks Linus sounds like one of those eurovision song contest hosts :-) 10.00.49 # spain 3 points 10.00.50 # ohhhhh 10.00.52 # btw 10.00.59 # Wasn't Dana International spanish? 10.01.06 # this year... spain will be the last one in eurovision 10.01.11 # dwihno: that was actually my intention 10.01.39 # nonon 10.01.45 # dana international is from israel 10.01.55 # we have even worst people 10.02.28 # Linus: then you were quite successful :-) I'm getting my new disk shortly btw :D 10.03.24 # dwihno: nice 10.05.31 # :-D 10.22.42 # my band failed to join that contest because noone of us could pronounce its name 10.22.57 # eurovision? 10.23.26 # that was the easy part but there are some more syllables before that... 10.23.35 # hahahaha 10.23.49 # my cousin has tried to go join this contest too 10.24.13 # she has a quite good voice :) 10.24.25 # it's a pitty she is not heavy ;) 10.25.45 # must go! 10.25.47 # bbl 10.25.52 Nick quelsaruk is now known as quel|out (~zaknafein@faerun.ugr.es) 10.32.49 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.32.54 Part LinusN 10.57.35 Nick quel|out is now known as quelsaruk (~zaknafein@faerun.ugr.es) 11.07.57 Join edx [0] (edx@pD9EA8C2B.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.08.43 Quit edx (Client Quit) 11.34.33 Join Quarc [0] (~jirc@p50894371.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 11.34.33 Quit quelsaruk (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.35.10 # Hi all! 11.35.55 Join quelsaruk [0] (~zaknafein@faerun.ugr.es) 11.36.00 # re-hi 11.37.17 # re-hello! :D 11.37.30 # quelsaruk: let's have a competition! Who will get their hardware first? :) 11.42.28 # and the looser pays? 11.42.54 # Haha 11.42.57 # That would be neat ;) 11.43.10 # (considering the delivery times in sweden are non-existant) ;) 11.43.17 # (well, almost) 11.43.51 # dwihno: of course you 11.43.52 # :) 11.44.17 # quelsaruk: you will get it in 3 weeks ;) 11.44.20 # remember i have an army of demons working against me :) 11.44.43 # so i'll get it in 4 months 11.44.45 # :) 11.49.33 Join KopeteUser [0] (~pyvasene@62.4.7.1) 11.50.12 Quit KopeteUser ("Using Kopete IRC Plugin") 11.50.38 # Heh 11.50.45 # Well, I hope I will get the hardware today 11.51.45 # I had to wait for 8 days to get my USB2 card, but I finally got it yesterday :) 11.51.57 # "well, i hope i will get the hardaware today"....... grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr 11.52.15 # i need more goats!! 11.53.48 # Goats? :) 11.55.02 # http://www.whiskas.tm.se/ - cool site :D 11.55.48 # umm 11.55.51 # not a cat.. a goat 11.55.52 # :P 11.55.54 # lots of nice information in the "fråga dr. katt" section 11.56.40 # dwihno: do u like spanish pop music?? 11.59.57 # * matsl is away: I'm busy 12.01.04 Join huz [0] (~mreynes@netsoc.tcd.ie) 12.01.20 # langhaarrocker: do u have a wav to mmf conversor? 12.02.00 # I assume its about the portable? No I haven't fiddled with the sounds yet. 12.02.37 # ok 12.03.08 # the mm is a kind of wav format, and wanted to send a quite heavy and explosive mms to my brother ;) 12.03.20 # the mmf is a kind .... 12.04.25 # hello guys, yesterday i met some bugs in a cvs less than a week aged (sorry i haven't my jukebox w/ me today) . I think it was in browser mode, i couldn't use the menu+'+'/'-' facility for increasing/decreasing the volume and i would be grant if - still in browser mode - we could play the next/previous song in the original directory by doing on+'+'/'-' (sorry I haven't looked at the available patches and bug tracker yet) 12.04.28 # quelsaruk: well, I like alabina 12.04.53 # quelsaruk: I bet you've heard of them. They do türkye and spanish music 12.06.09 # dwihno: don't bet... you will loose for sure :) 12.08.56 # maybe you would prefer if i opened a bug report 12.09.42 # bug reports are preferred on official releases only 12.11.16 # ok .. so i'll verify this and try to hack it myself, but don't really rely on it :) 12.11.18 # and that's more a feature request if I understand that correctly 12.12.34 Part bobTHC 12.22.28 Nick quelsaruk is now known as quel|out (~zaknafein@faerun.ugr.es) 12.27.04 Join kargatis [0] (~Vincent@ppp-isdn-231.ath.forthnet.gr) 12.32.52 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.33.32 Join DarkHanzz [0] (DarkHanzz@wit387211.student.utwente.nl) 12.34.06 # q: how do i add a string to the .lang files, so that i can use it in the source ? 12.38.13 # i can add stuff in english.lang, but then it gives a compile error if i try to use that in the wps.c 12.38.31 # did i already say that rockbox is really great? :-) 12.39.04 # did i already said that menu+play now toggles shuffle instead of mute for me ? 12.43.28 # is Master zagor here? 12.44.24 # yes 12.45.28 # ah hey! i would like to ask you somethings about your rockbox-project. can i email you? 12.48.07 # Quarc: question num 24, 25, 26, 27 of FAQ ,-) 12.48.21 # http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/faq.html 12.48.26 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 12.48.57 # oh thanks, mompl i'll read 12.51.30 # ah ok, i understand this. 12.52.17 # a'd like to know if the rockbox project has any kind auf "return of investment" for you guys. Because... 12.52.40 # Quarc: no money invested 12.52.46 # (almost) 12.52.56 # only blood, sweat and tears 12.54.21 # blood? a few screwdriver slips with all that dismantling early on? :) 12.55.07 # we're only in it for the drugs...eh...glory 12.55.46 # we are also thinking about making our project an open source or at least freeware thing 12.55.53 # i fried a regulator on my player while experimenting with the serial mod :-) 12.56.44 # Quarc: do you feel a need for a "return of investment"? 12.56.55 # hehe, but it's for a good goal (for me not frying my AJBR ;-) 12.58.27 # no, i like this idea of projects that have no financial goal. but unfortunately, without money you can't live 12.58.36 # Quarc: releasing the source is mostly a Good Thing(tm) 12.58.46 Quit huz (""a pluche"") 12.59.34 # you want money from software registrations? 12.59.34 # our company has developed a tool and now we have to decide if clients have to pay for licenses or 13.00.17 # or if they can use and develop on it for free, but there's my question: is there any financial support expected? 13.00.51 # eg. PayPal-Donate: does anybody donate for rockbox? (apart from the fact that i will :) 13.01.05 # Quarc: why are you considering Open Source in the first place? 13.01.18 # well of course it depends on the license and the uses 13.01.26 # and the users 13.01.36 # Quarc: yes, people donate but you should build a company on that :-) 13.01.41 # should not 13.01.54 # no, we dont think that OpenSource is good for our product. 13.02.13 # if your clients can't deal with with the opensource license you give it, you can dual-license.. of course i'm not sure the details of that 13.02.46 # and there's a lot of open source license 13.02.50 # licenses 13.03.06 # dual-license? that means something like a half-OpenSource? 13.03.23 # Quarc: you should read this: http://www.oreilly.de/catalog/cb/chapter/ 13.03.42 # but very nice is the fact, that Archos is already interested in your project. 13.04.14 # i mean, how do you guys earn your money for living? 13.04.46 # we work 13.04.54 # Rockbox is a hobby project 13.06.05 # ok, but wouldnt it be nice if you can afford even more time for rockbox, so that it supports itself? 13.07.01 # Quarc: i guess not 13.07.04 # hi Zagor 13.07.05 # heh i dunno if rockbox has so much of a market that there's a feasible course for that, unless archos wants to put them on the payroll or something 13.07.08 Nick quel|out is now known as qeulsaruk (~zaknafein@faerun.ugr.es) 13.07.54 # because our product has a bit more complexity and so we have to decide: stop working on it or try to get our money from it :-( 13.07.55 # Quarc: I wouldn't want to charge for the Rockbox firmware, if that's what you're asking 13.08.12 # what kind of product is it? 13.08.22 # Quarc: as soon as we start charging for Rockbox, people will not accept the as-is basis that it is now 13.08.42 # and people most definitely won't submit patches and new code 13.08.51 # and we lose a lot of users 13.08.52 # no no, thats why im asking: is there any chance of getting financial support without charging people 13.09.19 # getting paid without anyone paying? sounds good to me! ;-) 13.09.20 # not really 13.09.34 # thats our dream with our product. make it completely free but having still the chance to develop on it full-time 13.09.49 # you guys are just waiting on the weather to start raining money, i thought was the strategy... 13.10.06 # well, i think that Nullsoft for example made it, or? 13.10.11 # Quarc: where do you expect the money will come from? 13.10.17 # Quarc, hire independently wealthy developers 13.10.37 # heh 13.10.41 # Quarc: no. they are now full-time aol employees. i wouldn't want that... 13.11.34 # or what about Sun releasing Java. what is their interest of doing that (ok it's another ligue, but the same funadmental question) 13.11.53 # they sell hardware 13.11.54 # Quarc: have you read the link I gave you? 13.12.14 # it explains a lot about open source 13.12.45 # money could come from: Donations, Sponsors, and (!) side effect-projects. 13.13.57 # yes it could. I personally prefer having a steady, well-paid day job and just hack rockbox in my free time. 13.14.02 # but to see the dimensions i wanted to ask how for example paypal donations work for you 13.14.21 # Quarc: we have gotten around $500 total. 13.14.32 # yeah thanks for the link, zagor. i'll study it :) 13.14.51 # think of it as a tip jar. people throw us a few bucks for encouragement. 13.15.01 # nothing to make a living from :-) 13.15.59 # yeah ok, but we have to see it in relation to the market and the impact of the project. 13.16.42 # i think, that rockboxx could have a quite big future, but this depends only on the JB's market 13.17.24 # i hope you've at least extracted a few cases of beer out of that cash, Zagor 13.17.27 # perhaps some day donations are growing if more and more guys use it and if even Archos distribute it 13.17.57 # (did i already say that rockbox rulez ? :-D 13.18.46 Part LinusN 13.19.52 # kargatis: the blood is green used by qeulsaruk 13.20.35 # can't get rid of these vulcans 13.21.43 # only goats blood :) 13.22.10 # and because reb blood is not for people under 18 years. 13.22.54 # Quarc: yes, the future for Rockbox is bright. but that does not mean it's a great money maker. Rockbox is popular because it is free (as in freedom) 13.24.43 # yo, thats right, and thats also our dream with our Wiki, but at least enough money to buy our daily beer and frites. 13.25.14 # Zagor may say such things. He is code police. 13.26.01 Quit kargatis ("Suckers!") 13.26.11 # (sorry for my bad english, i'm from Hamburg and my english is fading everyday) 13.26.53 # Quarc: you're making a wiki? as in wiki.org ? 13.32.20 # right. but in fact, it now shows up to be a wiki. :) 13.35.20 # the last 1,5 years we developped it as super intuitive web publishing tool. 13.36.33 # like CMS but now it seems to be almost a quite-Wiki. but not really. it doesnt really fullfill all the rules of a wiki 13.38.37 # q: how do i add a string to the .lang files, so that i can use it in the source ? 13.38.39 # i can add stuff in english.lang, but then it gives a compile error if i try to use that in the wps.c 13.40.38 # DarkHanzz: you must run binlang on it 13.40.46 # uh, no 13.41.23 # genlang 13.41.39 Join stefan_ [0] (~calpefros@gtso-d9bb8307.pool.mediaWays.net) 13.41.45 Nick stefan_ is now known as calpefrosch (~calpefros@gtso-d9bb8307.pool.mediaWays.net) 13.42.21 # Zagor: what do you think about a move command for a rectangle if the lcd ? 13.42.29 # ok 13.42.41 # not if/ on 13.43.06 # zagor: perhaps you would be interested in using it for your site. easily dragging around subpages and editing text like in a text programm. and free (to be :) 13.43.24 # calpefrosch: sounds like something for demos... :-) 13.44.01 # Quarc: thanks, but I don't think I'm your target audience. I do my web pages with perl and make :-) 13.44.50 # Zagor: hm, maybe. but also for a browser ? 13.45.46 # calpefrosch: I don't think we'll gain much since the block is more often than not on a half-byte offset. so we'll be pushing bits on and off either way. 13.46.27 # Zagor: ok, i see what you mean 13.46.42 # Do you know the status of the new playlist code ? 13.46.43 # but you are of course welcome to test it :-) 13.46.52 # :) okay. you just need java + Tomcat and then anyone can admin the site from any browser. perhaps sometime you re interested and we could promote our projects each-other, hihi 13.46.53 # you mean ricII's code? 13.47.03 # yes 13.47.26 # Quarc: well I use twiki already and I'm quite happy with it thanks 13.47.46 # calpefrosch: nope, I don't know. 13.48.03 # ok, i dont want to spam here :-) so, i really appreciate rockbox, my AJBR is my best friend now :) 13.48.09 # :-) 13.48.48 # list #httpd 13.50.10 # Viele Grüße aus Hamburg! ciao 13.50.58 # and thanks for your info 13.51.43 Nick seb-sleep is now known as seb-school (Sean@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 13.53.00 # Zagor: I don't want to load the playlist, so I have to user the normal api, but it is too slow. 13.53.34 # calpefrosch: what is too slow? 13.54.13 # i load the first 8 lines of the playlist - for every line it opens the file, seek the position and read the text 13.54.46 # I think that is too slow, but maybe it is my code :-| 13.55.01 # i use playlist_seek and playlist_next 13.55.30 # you should buffer a few kilobytes so you don't have to load every page from disk 13.59.34 Quit Nibbler () 14.01.15 # Zagor: i can do that, but it will take memory from the dma-buffer, i think. but by now we don't play while browsing 14.02.15 # calpefrosch: we will move towards using a "common buffer" for use by all these kinds of applications, so expect to have around 16-20KB to use 14.03.09 # is it ok to use malloc for the buffer ? or just on the stack 14.03.59 # neither. you use a gloabl pointer called "common_buffer" or something like that. allocate it statically for now. 14.08.30 # Zagor: tnx 14.08.31 Nick qeulsaruk is now known as quelsaruk (~zaknafein@faerun.ugr.es) 14.11.48 Join kargatis [0] (~Vincent@ppp12-110.ath.forthnet.gr) 14.18.28 Nick quelsaruk is now known as quel|lunch (~zaknafein@faerun.ugr.es) 14.18.34 # lunch time!! 14.32.53 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.32.58 Join pyvasene [0] (~pyvasene@62.4.7.1) 14.36.44 Quit DarkHanzz (" Still using mIRC? lol! - HydraIRC, v0.337 (15/January/2003) -> http://hydrairc.sourceforge.net <-") 14.52.24 Join tumm [0] (jirc@tumm.olofshojd.studenthem.gu.se) 14.52.49 Quit tumm (Client Quit) 14.56.16 Join edx [0] (edx@pD9EA8C2B.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.59.41 Quit Quarc ("Leaving") 15.01.47 Quit pyvasene ("Using Kopete IRC Plugin") 15.03.19 Part kargatis 15.10.25 Quit calpefrosch ("leaving") 15.23.22 # Zagor: ? 15.26.18 # hola 15.30.02 # Zagor: Q about menus. 15.30.44 # Zagor: Some items have (for the player) two long lines. How about scrolling both. have you tried it? 15.31.14 # Ah. I noticed something last night 15.31.19 # nope, haven't tried it. 15.31.23 # While in WPS, press 'on' two times fast 15.31.26 # which have two long lines? 15.31.28 # You will notice a glitch on scrolling lines 15.32.21 # I will? 15.32.28 # Yes you will :) 15.32.33 # it will look like this 15.32.35 # Zagor: Well to be honest I saw it when doing yet another swedish translation of id3 info. Bithastighet is way to long. 15.32.36 # Hello 15.32.37 # Hello 15.32.38 # Hello 15.32.41 # Hello 15.32.42 # Hello 15.32.43 # Hello 15.32.45 # Hello 15.32.50 # well, you catch the drift 15.32.53 # ok. maybe my scroll speed is too low. 15.35.09 # bithastihet? datahastighet seems like a better word. still long though :-) 15.35.56 # i'm fine with two scrolling lines where necessary 15.36.14 # We do have support for it now, do we? 15.39.05 # i'm not sure how the player code is, actually. 15.39.40 # but recorder code supports it? 15.39.53 # yes 15.40.09 # and it is readable on the recorder I suppose? 15.45.12 # yes 15.46.12 # ok. I'll check with kjer (or the code). cu 15.48.47 # Using on+up/down doesn't work in the settings menu 15.49.02 # must -. cu 15.49.03 # dwihno: correct 15.49.11 Quit matsl ("Client Exiting") 15.49.16 # and exiting F2/F3 quickscreens requires the corresponding F-button to be pressed 15.49.22 # yup 15.49.47 # You want me to patch that weird behaviour? 15.50.01 # how do you want it instead? 15.50.29 # Regarding on+up/down should work in the menus as well 15.50.39 # and pressing any key should exit the F2/F3 screens. 15.50.46 # any key? 15.50.46 # But that's only myho :-) 15.51.02 # yes, any key release event. 15.51.32 # then you can't toggle things in the quickscreens 15.51.59 # well, pressing 'play' would be nice 15.52.19 # thus making one-hand navigation more comfortable 16.00.04 # what's wrong with just pressing an F-key again? 16.00.30 # It feels uncomfortable. Not logical. 16.00.58 # It's not wrong, but it should be possible to cancel it by pressing play too :) 16.01.39 # on the other hand play might be used for additional menu entries in the fx menues 16.04.08 # nah, that would clutter it too much :) 16.05.44 Quit edx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.06.33 # maybe not if we wrote the left / right menu items vertically... 16.06.33 # But I should shut up until I have done my homework (user assignable keys). 16.18.25 Nick quel|lunch is now known as quelsaruk (~zaknafein@faerun.ugr.es) 16.18.33 # back to life... little mortals :) 16.19.03 # watch out: you're pocessed! 16.20.15 # langhaarrocker: that might rock! 16.20.26 # welcome back, oh mighty quelsaruk! Que pasa? :) 16.20.37 # Muy bien? 16.22.02 # I still think that he secretly is Quetsalcoatl. 16.22.59 # hi dwihno :) 16.23.21 # shhh langhaarrocker, that's our secret ;) 16.23.24 # :-) 16.24.56 Join pyvasene [0] (~pyvasene@62.4.7.1) 16.27.52 Quit pyvasene (Client Quit) 16.32.57 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.41.22 Quit langhaarrocker (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.42.22 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 16.43.12 # hi LinusN 16.43.39 Part LinusN 16.47.02 # does anyone know a program to repair a wave header?? 16.47.51 # erhm 16.48.09 # the header is 40-something bytes, right? 16.48.14 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 16.48.31 # test it with some kind of audio editing software 16.48.38 # Welcome, Linus! 16.49.00 # thank you 16.49.08 # dwihno: i'm lazy.. i'll just forget about this :) 16.49.19 # BrianHH: any luck with the batteries? 16.49.34 # * dwihno is longing for his new rockdisk :-) 16.57.36 Join edx [0] (edx@pD9EAB188.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.02.57 Nick dwihno is now known as dw|gone (dwihno@193.180.246.67) 17.07.17 Nick quelsaruk is now known as quel|out (~zaknafein@faerun.ugr.es) 17.07.20 # * LinusN just found a bug in the recording code, that can leave the file opened when leaving the recording screen 17.07.33 # maybe that's the 0-length file bug 17.08.48 # whoa 17.13.26 # it was possible to leave the screen while the data is being saved, changing the thread state to PLAYBACK 17.13.55 # so when the STOP_DONE message came, it was received in the wrong state 17.14.10 Quit xam (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 17.14.12 # thus the file wasn't closed 17.14.31 # good catch 17.15.20 # how are you feeling about the code, time-wise? I'm thinking of possibly adding a thing or two if the release needs to wait another week or more. 17.15.28 # do so 17.15.39 # i think i need some more time 17.16.26 # i think i should remove the quick-menus in the recording screen 17.16.31 # what do you think? 17.16.41 # why? 17.17.08 # i think the F1 menu is enough, and more intuitive 17.17.44 # i think they are good. fast options are good for power users. the f1 menu is good too, but slower. 17.18.00 # ok then 17.18.23 # but i will inhibit them while recording 17.18.41 # that's a good idea 17.19.36 # i don't like string.c in apps/ 17.19.46 # bad, bad file name 17.20.17 # ugh, I agree 17.20.37 # maybe common.c or misc.c 17.20.43 # or whatever 17.21.24 # i wanted to add an include file with the prototype, and that got me thinking... :-) 17.38.14 Join Galik [0] (~Galik@public1-char1-6-cust252.pool.broadband.ntl.com) 17.40.31 Quit Galik (Client Quit) 17.43.21 # are we satisfied with the file names when recording? 17.46.30 # i think they're fine. 17.46.55 # we might want to use the suggestion to store them in the current browser dir, though, instead of always into root 17.47.58 # sure. do we know where that is? 17.48.23 # or should i pass a parameter to recording_screen()? 17.48.45 # precisely. you get the dir from tree.c. 17.49.00 # i agree about not having to enter the extension when renaming mp3 files 17.49.06 # it's not global today, but that can change :-) 17.49.19 # i would like an INSERT mode when editing text 17.49.26 # we all do :-) 17.49.42 # how about pwd()? 17.50.28 # yea, why not? although we have no chdir() :) 17.50.43 # but sure, pwd() is ok with me 17.50.44 # details... 17.51.10 # i can imagine cancelling the text edit with OFF rather than F2 17.51.11 # i'm off. see you! 17.51.19 Part Zagor 18.03.01 Part LinusN 18.10.55 Join xam [0] (~xam@tqpc.ucc.ie) 18.15.59 Nick quel|out is now known as quelsaruk (~zaknafein@faerun.ugr.es) 18.16.30 # my mobile company is ever worst than archos.. 18.16.38 # it's impossible to contact them 18.32.59 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.38.23 Join Remo [0] (~hofer@ekel.physik.unibas.ch) 19.07.48 # btw 19.08.18 # edx: you can submit changes to cvs no? 19.08.45 # yea 19.09.29 # i submitted yesterday espanol.lang 1.3 19.09.36 # could you update that pliz 19.09.49 # to the mailing list you mean? 19.09.56 # to the patch traker 19.10.00 # tracker 19.10.09 # wow.. wheres that? ;) 19.10.27 # are you talking seriously?? 19.10.35 # actually, yea 19.10.42 # never worked with the patch tracker 19.11.16 # ok 19.11.18 # got it 19.11.48 # :) 19.11.53 # i'm amazed 19.12.10 # or as an spanish would say "I'm fliping" 19.12.45 # ok you verified it's working? 19.13.25 # ummm 19.13.36 # i knew i forgot something 19.13.41 # wait a minute and i'll check 19.13.43 # ;) 19.13.45 # better try before they blame me ;) 19.13.47 # ok 19.13.51 # haha 19.14.12 # you can always say "was the mascot fault" 19.14.47 # two words 19.14.51 # plausible deniability 19.15.27 # rechazo plausible 19.24.45 Join Galik [0] (~Galik@public1-char1-6-cust252.pool.broadband.ntl.com) 19.25.10 # quel: can I commit that file now? 19.28.06 # jeje 19.28.08 # no 19.28.20 # ok 19.28.20 # i forgot two quotes 19.28.22 # :) 19.28.25 # oh 19.28.29 # i'm updating the file 19.28.32 # good 19.28.34 # sorry 19.28.34 Join elinenbe|sleep [0] (~chatzilla@user-0cev121.cable.mindspring.com) 19.28.56 # * edx . o O (code police would have knocked my head off!) 19.29.03 # not yours.. 19.29.04 # mine 19.29.09 # i swear 19.29.19 # he's waiting... 19.29.22 # like a hunter 19.29.23 # ;) 19.29.59 # shooting everything that moves 19.30.01 # it was my move :p 19.30.05 # well 19.30.13 # then he'd kill both of us 19.30.14 # :D 19.31.30 # edx: now you can download the re-viewed file 19.31.32 # :) 19.32.03 # oki 19.32.05 # thanks 19.32.59 # ahhhh!!!!! 19.33.07 Nick elinenbe|sleep is now known as elinenbe (~chatzilla@user-0cev121.cable.mindspring.com) 19.33.40 # ? 19.34.03 # no, thanks to you edx :) 19.34.13 # a nightmare elinenbe? 19.34.16 # edx: long time no see. 19.34.16 # hehehe 19.34.22 # quelsaruk: no. 19.34.38 # elinenbe: yea, we might have seen, but never actually talked :) 19.35.08 # quel: do i have to remove that file from the patch tracker somehow? or mark it as "commited"? 19.35.17 # ummm 19.35.25 # mark it as commited. i suppose 19.35.26 # :) 19.35.29 # i dunno 19.35.42 # but i forgot to tell zagor or linus today 19.35.43 # :( 19.36.05 # edx: what patch from the file tracker? 19.36.16 # espanol.lang version 1.3 19.36.26 # nothing important :) 19.36.34 # ahhh... who cares about espanol!! (hide) 19.36.36 # wait.. let me do this myself :D - i need to learn 19.36.51 # if i must say the truth... i use english 19.37.04 # * edx too 19.37.17 # edx... you are *too* old to learn anything new ;) 19.37.45 # indeed 19.37.52 # hehe 19.38.01 # we miss a c++.lang, don't we? :D 19.38.28 # elinenbe: can you tell me how to remove a patch from the patch tracker? 19.39.35 # ah got it 19.39.44 # now do i set it do closed or deleted? 19.40.05 # closed? 19.40.07 # :) 19.40.33 # i guess so 19.40.42 # but as a matter of fact i cant find where to change that status 19.40.51 # well... 19.41.02 # we can try to leave that and tell zagor later :) 19.41.06 # maybe i dont have the rights to do that 19.41.15 # * edx ducks and fears for his head ;) 19.41.30 # i would also fear 19.41.31 # ;) 20.03.24 Join monter [0] (pc1655@walker.rmf.pl) 20.05.17 Quit monter (Client Quit) 20.05.45 Join monter [0] (pc1655@walker.rmf.pl) 20.07.02 Quit Remo ("ShadowIRC 1.1 PPC") 20.10.32 Join DarkHanzz [0] (DarkHanzz@wit387211.student.utwente.nl) 20.24.06 # Galik is killing people. !gameinfo for more info. 20.27.21 # !gameinfo 20.27.59 Nick quelsaruk is now known as quel|out (~zaknafein@faerun.ugr.es) 20.33.00 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.35.45 # !gameinfo 20.38.41 Join Kamayaka [0] (~kamayaka@pD9E8A4C1.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.39.51 # re 20.43.38 # i still have one hynix GM71VS65163CLT5 chip... 20.56.36 # jumsss 20.56.43 # don't tempt me 21.09.55 # time to go home! 21.09.57 # cu later!! 21.10.04 Quit quel|out ("KVIrc 3.0.0-beta1 "Eve's Avatar"") 21.13.14 Quit elinenbe (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.15.59 Join kargatis [0] (~Vincent@ppp17-37.ath.forthnet.gr) 21.16.44 # mhh ... hynix GM71VS65163CLT5 ... hmmmm 21.17.38 # jepp 21.17.57 # wanker friend wants to update after warranty ... in 2 years :) 21.18.24 # additional original memory chip, unsoldered without damaging the chip 21.19.45 Part kargatis 21.22.06 Quit monter ("ChatZilla 0.8.11 [Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; pl-PL; rv:1.2.1; MultiZilla v1.1.32 final) Gecko/20021130]") 21.26.36 # xam... ? 21.30.19 # sorry, 21.30.51 # kamayaka where do you live? 21.31.24 # I don't think I have use for the original memory chip ;) 21.32.32 # germany 21.33.16 # if you can´t get the new ram working and destroied the old one while unsoldering you can use the old one... my update works fine since 48h 21.34.08 # kamayaka how long did it took you to mod the archos? 21.34.37 # whel, two cups of coffee. i would guess 2h (about) and with beeing eXtrem careful 21.35.26 # kamayaka i'd prefer 1h without being extemly cafeful ;) 21.35.37 # kamayaka too much coffee then ;) 21.36.18 # hehe ;) shaking hands... you will need some seconds-glue (<- dunno whats the exact expression in english) glue that fixes up within seconds 21.36.39 # super glue? 21.36.45 # dunno+ 21.39.26 # mhhh, how much did you pay again? 17.50 Euro? 21.40.10 # * xam placed a bid on an ebay auction for a t68i 21.45.03 # 7,50EUR + shipping + tax 21.46.22 Quit seb-school ("Who knows what tomorrow will bring... maybe sunshine, maybe rain. But as for me I'll wait and see.") 21.47.30 # mhhh ... 21.47.51 # shipping to ireland is at least the same price as the memory ;) 21.49.15 # ireland, mom i´ll look that up 21.51.05 Join seb-school [0] (Sean@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 21.51.32 Join tracktheripper [0] (jirc@ACB63770.ipt.aol.com) 21.51.48 # Hey Galik! 21.52.25 # if i would send as maxiletter it would cost 3,07EUR if letter weights not more than 50gr 21.52.45 # yes, and "don not fold" ;) 21.52.53 # "do not fold" 21.52.53 # i could glue it at a postcard 21.53.00 # lol 21.53.46 # so in all it would cost (7,50+1,80)*1,16+3,07 21.55.33 # How good is the Archos firmware in the FM recorder? 21.55.55 # <-> 21.56.02 # <---------------------------> is the rockbox software 21.56.25 # yea but Rockbox in the FMrecorder cannot tune the radio 21.56.43 # thought the radio is shitty anyway ? 21.57.01 # in what way? 21.57.09 # noisy ? 21.57.16 # ermmmmmmmmm 21.57.28 # so it is hopeless at getting a decent signal? 21.57.34 # Im thinking of getting an FM recorder 21.57.47 # mhhh (7.5 + 1.8 (why?)) * 1.16 (why?) + 3.07 21.58.09 # tracktheripper don't do it ... 21.58.21 # 1,8 is the sending to me 1,16 german tax 21.58.24 # tracktheripper you want to use it more than 3 years? 21.58.32 # I have a Jukebox Recorder 10 xam 21.58.35 # i c 21.58.42 # Xam my Jukebox Recorder 10 has been fantastic 21.58.59 # recorder 20 with rockbox and 8m rocks :) 21.59.05 # :) 21.59.11 # I have the 10 Gigabyte version 21.59.35 # tracktheripper yes, but the jukebox fm has lithium-ion batteries, and you can't easily exchange them ... so after 3 years you can throw away your jukebox FM 21.59.52 # SHIT! 21.59.56 # tracktheripper just buy a bigger harddrive 21.59.57 # REALLY? 22.00.08 # after 3years warranty is over you can change the batteries then 22.00.26 # yea ive just put highperformance NiMHs in my Jukebox 22.00.31 # better battery life 22.00.32 # tracktheripper just look at your mobile phone ... after about 3 years of frequent use the battery is dead 22.00.38 # lol 22.00.59 # tracktheripper that's the average life time of li-ion 22.01.28 # tracktheripper thats the reason why I bought the archos and not the nomad3/ipod 22.01.37 # I thought Li-Ions last forever 22.01.40 # ... and rockbox of course ) 22.01.43 # I was thinking of getting an Ipod once 22.01.44 # ;) 22.01.56 # ipod has HUGHE DISAVANTAGES 22.02.15 # The case on the Ipod scratches like hell easily 22.02.30 # rockbox too :{ 22.02.46 # What u meen Kam? 22.03.15 # with the disavantages ? 22.03.32 # well Rockbox is still much better than the Archos firmware 22.04.12 # well Im beginning to like the FM Recorder design after holding one 22.04.20 # seems more portable than my JBREC10 22.04.30 # jbrec20 :)) 22.04.42 Join Zagor [242] (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 22.04.43 # well im happy wiv my jbrec10 :)) 22.04.47 # it meens the world to me 22.04.52 # Hi Bjorn!!!!! :)) 22.04.57 # tracktheripper yes, I also like a integrated FM ... but the f**king li-ion batteries 22.04.59 # hi 22.05.07 # how are ya??? 22.05.08 # :-) 22.05.30 # I think Archos sell replacement Li-Ions Xam 22.06.46 # ((gives Zagor a big hug :-) )) 22.07.04 # tracktheripper no they don't 22.07.14 # ??? 22.07.18 # tracktheripper at least not on their website 22.07.24 # ohhhhh 22.07.26 # they don't 22.07.33 # so you advise me not to buy one? 22.07.41 # the multimedia guys have been chasing this battery issue for ages 22.07.46 Nick seb-school is now known as _seb_ (Sean@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 22.07.50 # tracktheripper I wouldn't buy one 22.07.52 # i'd get a rec20 instead 22.08.01 # I have a rec10 Zagor 22.08.03 # yes, 22.08.10 # rec20 (!) :) 22.08.11 # zagor he already has a rec10 22.08.11 # I don't have the need for 20 Gigabytes 22.08.12 # * Kamayaka hides 22.08.49 # well if you have the rec10 then you really shouldn't buy an fmrec 22.08.54 # lol ("no need for 20 GB") ... reminds me of bill gates ("no need for more than 640k") 22.08.55 # ohhhh 22.09.13 # its the on-the-fly MP3 radio recording that intruiged me 22.09.15 # actually the nice thing about the rec20 isn't the extra 10gigs, it's the usb2.0 interface 22.09.18 # that would suit me so well 22.09.30 # the radio quality is no fun 22.09.31 # Zagor you do show off on occasions! :-) 22.09.44 # * Zagor shows off 22.09.48 # :-) 22.10.42 # Zagor you look like my sister's fiancee :-) 22.11.00 # look like? I *am* ;) 22.11.11 # HAHAHAHA!!! 22.11.12 # :-) 22.11.34 # When are you gonna implement my "Auto Voice Transcribe" request?? (JOKE!!) :-) 22.12.57 # * xam 's mobile sucks ... it is obviously broken. after 2 days the battery is dead (just bought a new battery) 22.13.18 # <----- gets Xam, Zagor, Kam and Himself a beer 22.13.25 # any recommodations for a new mobile? 22.13.42 # * Zagor liked the Nokia 9210 22.13.54 # too bad the screens were of poor quality 22.13.59 # I don't like the look of the Nokias 22.14.07 # heh 22.14.19 # I think I'll go for the Sony-Ericsson T68i 22.14.30 # ugh, bad idea 22.14.35 # Zagor come to London sometime 22.14.36 # :) 22.14.41 # or does anybody have other recommodations? 22.14.55 # zagor? 22.15.47 # I don't like sony (as a company), but the phone seems to be alright ... 22.15.53 # I don't think Zagor likes me Xam :-) 22.15.56 # ((laughs)) 22.16.29 # sony has quite good audio equipment... 22.17.08 # sony supports DRM 22.17.15 # xam: well i'm a nokia fan so I guess I have no suggestion for you :-) 22.17.16 # fuck for drm :) 22.17.27 # the t68 is slooow 22.20.03 # Kam Sony's ATRAC3 is the new Betamax 22.20.34 # who cares for minidisc :) i´m using the jukebox ... 22.20.41 # MP3Pro and WMA sound much better than ATRAC3 22.20.47 # ATRAC3 sounds way too compressed 22.21.14 Join Gissehel [0] (gissehel@AFontenayssB-105-1-1-55.abo.wanadoo.fr) 22.22.34 # zagor well, you mean the t68i is slow when dailing? or then looking up the addressbook?: 22.23.42 # zagor or do you mean if I talk with the t68 I'm going to talk slowly? 22.24.03 # xam: the t68i user interface is terribly slow 22.24.24 # hmm 22.24.41 # what about a motorola then? 22.25.01 # Don't ask me. I use nokias. :-) 22.27.15 # xam i needa log out... you want the chip ? 22.27.36 # for how much altogether? 22.28.00 # calculate the calculation :) 22.28.42 # too lazy ... but I'm interested ;) 22.29.07 # 13,85 22.29.42 # kam thats about 14 Euros? 22.29.49 # jupp 22.29.57 # kam that's about 14 Euro? 22.30.08 # yes 22.30.08 # sorry ... mhhh okay 22.30.16 # yes 22.30.18 DBUG Enqueued KICK Kamayaka 22.30.18 # yes 22.30.20 # yes 22.30.22 # :) 22.30.31 # how to pay you 22.30.42 # If we really twist Micronas's arm, could we persuade them to make the damn thing play WMA or MP3Pro? 22.30.46 # money transfer to my bank account ? 22.30.56 # okay ... 22.31.06 # tracktheripper: no. the dsp program space is too small. 22.31.14 # do you have paypal? would be the easiest option for me 22.31.17 # ohhh 22.31.49 # so theres no chance of reprogramming it at all?? 22.31.52 # Oh well never mind 22.32.17 # it can only do simpler things 22.32.45 # well I always encode at 192Kbs (CD quality) I don't like 128Kbs 22.33.02 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.35.58 # Zagor what CD ripping software do you use? 22.36.14 # cdparanoia 22.36.30 # I use musicmatch myself. What bitrate do u encode at? 22.36.32 # i use linux 22.36.40 # :) 22.36.42 # i have XP 22.36.47 # high-quality VBR, average ~200kbps 22.37.01 # oh right. I always use 192Kbs (CBR) 22.38.08 # Whats the Linux interface like? 22.38.37 # mouse pointer and windows, just like most systems 22.39.05 # yea but what I meant is how does Linux compare to Windows? 22.39.45 # linux does what I want and only what I want. XP does what Microsoft wants. 22.40.02 # ohhh 22.40.52 # Zagor what do you think of my request to replace the curser with a full line selector similar to a Nokia mobilephone menu? 22.41.06 # it's old. we've tried it, and it's too slow 22.41.16 # oohhhhhhhh 22.41.20 # I didn't know 22.41.31 # I didn't realise it was tried before 22.41.54 # don't worry about it. you can't know everything. 22.42.12 # lol You will see that feature request under "Interface Improvements" 22.42.21 # I won't be offended if you reject it :-) 22.43.15 # :-) 22.44.14 # To tell you the truth Archos should never have chosen the type A USB socket for the Jukebox :-) 22.44.54 # because thats why everyone asks to see if things can be plugged in like memorycard readers and the like, simply because the socket on the Archos matches the USB on the PC itself 22.45.33 Quit Kamayaka () 22.46.04 # yes. I'm puzzled too why archos chose an A type socket 22.46.29 # I actually asked Archos that myself. They refused to answer 22.46.44 # Mind you, the FMrec sports the smaller USB port like on a digital camera 22.47.31 # but that's a non-standard connector. you have to buy the cable from archos, right? 22.48.04 # well you get a cable thrown in wiv the Jukebox, but u are right, its still a nonstandard wire 22.48.31 # Why the hell can't Archos use the B socket like every other USB device? 22.50.09 # Zagor I reckon Archos are using nonstandard USB's is so they can sell more nonstandard cables and therefore make more moneu 22.50.11 # money 22.54.21 Quit DarkHanzz (" Still using mIRC? lol! - HydraIRC, v0.337 (15/January/2003) -> http://hydrairc.sourceforge.net <-") 22.56.31 # Zagor is Version 2.0 coming out soon? 22.56.55 # no. it will probably take several weeks. 22.57.02 # ohhhh 22.57.04 # we still have recording bugs 22.57.13 # What will be included when its finally issued? 22.57.24 # lots of things :-) 22.57.42 # will ID3 tag entering be one of them for recording like the Archos firmware? 22.58.05 # no 22.58.11 # awwwwwwwwwwww 22.58.23 # ((bursts into tears :-( )) 22.58.33 # ok no worries :-) 22.58.35 # nobody has written an id3 editor 22.58.59 # But can you still type the filename when recording? 23.00.14 # I hope full playlist creations be included :-) 23.02.30 # no. only code that is already written will be included. 23.02.42 # we need to have time to test it before release. 23.03.06 # oh ok. I still keep a copy of the Archos firmware alongside Rockbox solely for making playlists and recording 23.04.31 # I wouldn't mind if the Archos firmware could be "tweaked" so I could boot back into Rockbox after finishing using the Archos firmware 23.05.00 # well, just reboot archos ;) 23.05.23 # yea but I prefer to switch back to Rockbox WITHOUT turning the JB off 23.06.35 # i think that's faster than selecting a .ajz file from the browser and boot it 23.07.04 # but I think it wears the HD out rebooting by turning it off then back on 23.07.33 # tracktheripper: i think archos would mind if we distributed a modified version of their software 23.07.44 # ohhhhhhh 23.07.49 # ok fair enough 23.10.37 # Anyway I have to go, nice chatting to you Zagor and Xam 23.10.56 # okay, I have to go, too. University is closing soon 23.11.02 # take care :) 23.11.06 # slan 23.13.05 Quit tracktheripper ("Leaving") 23.13.28 Join hardeep [0] (1098@208.247.65.237) 23.21.38 # hey, hardeep! 23.25.32 # heya 23.26.17 # long time no see 23.31.56 # I've stopped killing people now! 23.32.06 Nick xam is now known as xam|away (~xam@tqpc.ucc.ie) 23.32.14 # Zagor: heh, yeah... it's the time difference. :) 23.32.59 # Galik: good to hear. :) i hope you only killed the bad people 23.33.44 # heheh thaw 23.33.45 # i love it 23.34.00 # i thought you'd like that :) 23.34.20 # so any chance of me putting in the sokoban rewrite? 23.34.28 # yeah, sure 23.34.46 # okay... when i get home tonight.. want me to send you the file(s) before i put it in? 23.35.05 # or just insert? 23.35.33 # is it major changes? 23.36.49 # nods 23.36.59 # actually.. my machine at home is connected.. hold on 23.43.33 # okay.. zagor.. want me to give you sokoban.[ch] 23.43.42 # you can take a look.. they build and work just fine 23.43.48 # its a fairly clean rewrite 23.44.21 # ok 23.46.20 # dcc or email? 23.47.59 # heh, you're behind a nice fat firewall it seems :) 23.48.02 # mail'em 23.49.28 # nods 23.50.22 # zagor at haxx dot se? 23.50.49 # yup 23.50.59 Join malle [0] (~jirc@h189n2fls33o985.telia.com) 23.51.24 # Hey guys! 23.51.28 # hi 23.53.09 # mailing 23.55.02 # sent 23.55.16 # I have a question (wow!) ;) All the settings in rockbox, like sound settings and display settings and so on.. where are they saved? 23.55.23 # I was just wondering because when I upgraded to the latest daily all settings was reset to the defaults.. is there any way to get around this the next time upgrading or are they always being lost? 23.55.57 # malle: on an early sector on the disk, and in the real-time clock ram on the recorder 23.56.27 # they are only lost when the settings structure is changed enough that it makes the previous version incompatible 23.56.50 # this has happened three times so far in the project :-) 23.57.45 # aah, I see, thanks :)