--- Log for 15.02.103 Server: leguin.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16p1 Started: 26 days and 9 hours ago 00.00.05 # it's not firmwaring the thing 00.00.09 # lol 00.00.10 # so why 00.00.15 # :) 00.00.23 # that's the kewl thing bout it 00.00.38 # it's just a 'skin'... 00.00.43 # :) 00.00.45 # just a pretty kewl one 00.00.51 # i really like it 00.00.53 # umm, archos asked for permission to ship rockbox on player cd's - so I don't think they are unhappy at all 00.00.56 # me 2 00.01.24 # they can't ship it for recorders, because rockbox doesn't support the copyright bits for recording and that stuff 00.01.25 # really Hadaka? 00.01.31 # ohhh 00.01.32 # I have a recorder 00.01.36 # or something like that - I don't remember the whole storey 00.01.38 # love the games 00.01.47 # just wondering 60gb 00.01.50 # but why did Archos incorporate the hack for defeating protection 00.01.53 # would it work? 00.02.14 # tracktheripper: um? I'm not sure what you are talking about 00.02.23 # smeagol: yes, 60GB works fine 00.02.28 # kewl 00.02.40 # do i need special mark hdu? 00.02.41 # tracktheripper: very good question, it sure is strange to me 00.02.41 # there is a hack for defeating the copy protection in the Archos firmware 00.02.48 # or just the avg hdu 00.03.04 # smeagol: any brand, just make sure it is 2.5" 9.5mm 00.03.05 # so =! fijutsi 00.03.05 # Badger and Hadaka I can tell you the hack in the Archos firmware 00.03.07 # hmh, haven't heard of that 00.03.13 # badger: ok 00.03.29 # anyway, haven't really been active here in ages, so I don't know what's up 00.03.40 # Badger and Hadaka, Load up the Archos firmware, go to Change Artist, key in HFSCMSOFF 00.03.50 # what would happen if I ever 'update' the firmware of the archos 00.03.54 # and you will see a screen saying copyprotection is off 00.04.01 # would that void the rockbox working? 00.04.10 # prob not 00.04.14 # kewl 00.04.15 # its just a software thing 00.04.26 # but then again why would I upgrade 00.04.37 # the thing works ok even better now 00.04.57 # well, no upgrade ever from Archos reflashed the unit 00.05.00 # just wondering if the battery will work longer :-) 00.06.01 # im tempted to upgrade the drive in mine, is it easy to do? 00.06.22 # well seeing the photo's on the rockbox site... 00.06.29 Join Nia1 [0] (jirc@village4-093m.fdu.edu) 00.06.29 Quit Nia1 (K-lined) 00.06.33 # it's easy to break things 00.06.36 # :-( 00.06.37 # lol 00.06.47 # I would love to have 60 gb 00.07.07 # I have the usb 2.0 thingy 00.07.17 # great for file transfer 00.07.19 # but 60Gb would be only good if u encode at 320Kbs and you have a massive CD collection 00.07.26 # so a bigger drive wouldn't suck 00.07.53 # I move a lot divx files 00.08.14 # hey guys, i have some really good news, and some bad news 00.08.19 # :O 00.08.20 # carying that notebook around kinda sucks 00.08.22 # whats up Linus? 00.08.32 # hey Linus! 00.08.38 # listen very carefully 00.08.41 # hola Linus 00.08.45 # * Bagder sharpens up 00.08.50 # I HAVE AN FM RECORDER!!! 00.08.53 # Hi Linus 00.08.54 # dang 00.08.57 # congrats! 00.08.58 # heh 00.09.00 # WHAT? 00.09.01 # well done! 00.09.02 # congrats 00.09.07 # * smeagol goes sleeping 00.09.11 # laters ppl 00.09.19 # done any beeping yet? ;-] 00.10.18 # guess what? This fm recorder was a birthday gift from Matthew P Oreilly to me and the Rockbox project 00.10.45 # So Linus u gonna dissamble it and enhance Rockbox for it? 00.10.53 # i received it this morning 00.10.58 # :) 00.11.10 # i have taken it apart and started examining it 00.11.20 # here comes tha bad news 00.11.20 # ohh right 00.11.26 # (gulp) 00.11.33 # * Bagder is scared 00.11.41 # tracktheripper is scared 00.11.54 # the Fm radio part is enclosed in a sealed copper box 00.12.02 # gah 00.12.03 # WHAT! 00.12.18 # Bagder: ok, ill recommit the file and see if we got less warnings 00.12.18 # well just remove the copper box :-) 00.12.31 # probably to protect it from interference from the rest of the electronics 00.12.47 # don't you think i have tried to open it? 00.12.59 # it is not meant to be opened, that's for sure :-) 00.13.10 # well just take an angle grinder to it :-) 00.13.14 # lol 00.13.19 # no this calls for some careful chisel work 00.13.56 # the archos hardware designers have learned a few lessons from the earlier models 00.14.07 # this baby is only one PCB 00.14.15 # 6 layers 00.14.24 # so Rockbox will NEVER support FM? 00.14.31 # tracktheripper: we will, don't worry 00.14.56 # because im seriously considering getting an FMrec 00.15.06 # i just have to hook up an oscilloscope and look at the I/O from the box 00.15.13 # ohhhhhh 00.15.50 # IM gonna make a cup of tea who would like one? 00.16.01 # and we'll probably have to disassemble some of the archos firmware 00.16.07 # lol 00.16.27 DBUG Enqueued KICK tracktheripper 00.16.27 # 4is off to make some tea 00.16.46 # i think Matthew is a true rokbox hero 00.17.19 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 00.17.19 # * Bagder agrees 00.17.57 # nice going Linus! 00.17.58 # as far as i can see, archos support strategy is not to repair the devices, but replacing them 00.18.33 # they are not easy to open 00.19.33 # what i miss? 00.19.37 # i have opened the copper box in one corner 00.19.48 # it seems like it is filled with yellow goo 00.19.56 # hehe 00.20.03 # nasty stuff 00.20.40 # ooooo... yellow goo is tasty 00.20.47 # i'll try some more, and then I'll visit some old friends at Ericsson to hook up some logic analysers and oscilloscopes to it 00.21.24 # it would have been so much easier if archos could have shared some information... :-( 00.21.43 Quit ken0_ (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.22.00 # Archos isn't very friendly 00.22.32 Quit edx () 00.22.53 Join edx [0] (edx@pD9EABEDE.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.24.24 # edx: worked 00.24.31 # back to one warning now 00.24.32 # nice 00.24.34 # ok 00.24.41 # that one warning has been causing trouble in windows as well 00.24.44 # but it was an error 00.24.46 # with that rename stuff 00.24.48 # * adi|work is away: headed home 00.24.55 # hmm 00.25.01 # look at file.h inside win32 dir 00.25.15 # 1is back 00.26.13 # they seem ok on their tech support line 00.26.36 # edx: weird 00.28.31 Quit tracktheripper ("Leaving") 00.29.01 Join tracktheripper [0] (jirc@ACB382C3.ipt.aol.com) 00.29.40 # hi 00.29.50 # lo to you Galik :-) 00.30.15 # edx: ah, I think I know why 00.30.31 # ok :D tell me 00.30.37 # lemme check first 00.31.25 # In what way is the Multimedia firmware different to the others? 00.32.03 # it really rewrites the flash 00.32.09 # it uses a different CPU 00.32.15 # it is entirely different 00.32.31 Join Mine78 [0] (Pozzolo@host168-161.pool62211.interbusiness.it) 00.32.34 # anyone there ? 00.32.35 # ohhhhhh 00.32.49 # can I have a txt example of the new options in the .cfg file ? 00.32.54 # so it just doesnt reside on the HD like the normal Recorders 00.33.01 # tracktheripper: correct 00.33.10 # ohhhhhh 00.33.14 # didn't know 00.33.14 # sorry 00.33.25 # er......... 00.33.34 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.33.41 # what are the new options for the .cfg file ? 00.33.45 # Mine78: I guess reading the source is the best option atm 00.33.59 # ok thanx I will do 00.34.12 # does an Italian translation of the cvs already exist ? 00.34.35 # Mine78: yes, but I don't know how complete it is 00.34.54 # hmm I have a patch to display correctly "rename" on a folder... does it worth to be put on sourceforge ? 00.35.15 # edx: seems I was wrong, I thought it was related to the order of the include path 00.35.27 # yea 00.35.32 # i could have told you 00.35.36 # tried that already ;) 00.35.39 # can I download it and complete it ? 00.35.50 # Mine78: sure, its in the cvs 00.36.09 # http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/rockbox/apps/lang/ 00.38.54 # well, ill try to get a bit of sleep now 00.38.57 # good night 00.39.00 # night edx 00.39.07 Quit edx () 00.39.20 # Badger have I to use the .lang file or have I to clik on the 1.5 version ? 00.39.47 # i have opened the box 00.40.09 # it was not filled with goo, it was just a protective cover 00.40.24 # Mine78: you should get the .lang file yes 00.40.34 # there is at least one PCB inside 00.40.41 # * Linus|away goes to examine it 00.45.08 Quit Galik (Remote closed the connection) 00.48.16 # Badger I added only 1 missing line to the lang file 00.48.24 # have I to send it to you ? 00.50.00 # Badger ? 00.50.28 # relax 00.50.36 # \o/ 00.50.39 # thank god 00.50.51 # i can cancel the soldering iron order :) 00.50.55 # sorry... 00.51.12 # linus has got his hands on an fm recorder, dont have to use my inexpert skills to hack apart mine :) 00.51.53 # all praise to Matthew Oreilley 00.52.34 # and Linus of course 00.55.40 # don't forget Bjorn 00.55.45 # praise him as well :-) 00.55.54 # nah 00.55.59 # he's a softie ;-) 00.56.08 # why not? he founded the Rockbox project! :-) 00.56.10 # * Bagder grins 00.56.31 # he did? 00.56.43 # he's my kid brother 00.57.02 # I get the right to make fun of him when he's absent 00.58.10 # awwwwwwwwwwww 00.58.18 # ((feels sorry for Bjorn)) 00.58.51 # Badg how can I make a .lng file from the .lang ? 00.59.00 Quit zobo ("ChatZilla 0.8.13c [Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.3b; MultiZilla v1.1.33 (b)) Gecko/20030210]") 00.59.10 # theres a tool in the cvs tree 00.59.12 # sec 00.59.25 # (runs on *nix iirc) 00.59.59 # Badger could the FM Recorder be "tweaked" to pick up digital recorder? 01.00.04 # its a perl script 01.00.07 # sorry digital radio? 01.00.10 # it runs on windows too if perl is installed 01.00.28 # o~tracktheripper: highly doubt it 01.00.37 # just a thoughjt 01.00.38 # tracktheripper: once we figure out how the FM stuff works, we might be able to tell. 01.00.49 # before someone sends it in as a feature request 01.00.52 # lol 01.00.55 Join Snorlax [0] (Snorlax@h202n2fls34o883.telia.com) 01.01.04 # it is most probably a 1-chip solution 01.01.10 # yea 01.01.18 # dab is generally poorer quality than traditional analogue fm 01.01.25 # WHAT? 01.01.27 # (at least in the uk) 01.01.41 # i thought dap promises crystal-clear interference sound! 01.01.44 # and probably a completely different beast to decode 01.01.47 # its to do with how much information you transmit 01.01.52 # yea 01.01.59 # if you want to cram in 10 times the number of channels 01.02.04 # Im sure those nice blokes at Archos will make a digital DAM recorder :-) 01.02.12 # digital can let you do it, but you degrade quality 01.02.20 # SO when will rockbox for ipod be released? :P 01.02.23 # ohh 01.02.40 # hmm, if they could send schematics when they do so tracktheripper, that would be peachey ;) 01.03.07 # lol 01.03.19 # What do u think of the redesigned chassis for the FM recorder 01.03.24 # compared to the normal Recorder? 01.04.01 # Linus|away: will you make some close-ups with your camera on the FM picked to pieces? 01.04.11 # i will 01.04.19 # nice 01.04.29 # I don't understand archos, they make great product, really inovative and such, but why do they insist on making them so unpretty and bulky, if they would suceed on the design aswell as functionality, they'd be king in the portable mp3 player kingdom! 01.04.38 # i wonder if i'll ever be able to out it together again... 01.04.55 # ok Snorlax do u prefer the chassis of the FMRec or the normal Rec? 01.05.10 # fm recorder is not ugly 01.05.12 # i like fmrec better 01.05.12 # I'd have to say.... IPOD! 01.05.12 # its pretty 01.05.26 # But the IPOD scratches in seconds from brand new! 01.05.28 # ipod has silly keys ;-) 01.05.28 # the ipod is not a viable solution for three reasons 01.05.30 # it isn't pretty 01.05.35 # it's BEAUTIFUL! 01.05.49 # I like the design of my JBRec10! 01.05.56 # it has non standard hard drive, and low capacity, impossible to replace 01.05.57 # the blue corners are there for shock protection! 01.06.09 # the firmware is not good 01.06.14 # you will be crying if you drop your precious Ipod 01.06.18 # and uglyness.. 01.06.22 # its JOLLY expensive 01.06.37 # I like thouse blue corners 01.06.39 # Badger is there a win32 tool to convert lang files to lng ? 01.06.50 # Mine78: install perl, run script 01.06.58 # YEAH I will cry if I drop my ipod, cuz I LOVE it, but not as much if I dropped my archos... 01.07.20 # snorlax: you arent particularly good at trolling 01.07.25 # to me the Ipod looks boring 01.07.35 # ive already dropped my archos 01.07.36 # what is trolling? 01.07.41 # didnt do any harm 01.08.19 # sorry, English is my second language 01.08.20 # http://hyper.vcsun.org/HyperNews/djordan/get/law11sp21updates/30.html?nogifs&admin&nogifs 01.08.29 # What is with that daft wheel on the Ipod? 01.09.34 # haha, I'm a troller! 01.09.35 # its designed to break after 4-5 months, requireing you to buy a new �400 ipod 01.09.41 # lol 01.09.48 # MT what Archos machine do u have? 01.09.53 # fm 01.10.09 # im 'new' to all this, only had it 1 month ;) 01.10.15 # well.... then you send it to apple and you get a new one for free in the mailbox 3 dyas after you sent it.. 01.10.27 # days 01.10.34 # oh right. Whats the FM like MT? 01.10.36 # unless it has damage 01.10.40 # FM recepion? 01.10.41 # Badger (I know I am boring..) in the source file of the new config file the variable names are those : 01.10.41 # channel_config 01.10.42 # avc 01.10.44 # ecc 01.10.44 # ? 01.10.47 # and then you dont get it replaced 01.10.56 # its okay 01.11.00 # fm reception is crap 01.11.02 # :) 01.11.13 # but i didnt really buy it for that 01.11.15 # then play inocent and apple will send it porhaps with a little hold-up 01.11.15 # Mine78: and? 01.11.25 # i found the fm receotion pretty good... 01.11.37 # But the metal back on the Ipod gets scratched so easily! 01.11.48 # the chassis on the Archos is far more hardwearing 01.11.49 # well its dependant on the headphone cable as an aerial 01.12.05 # Badger: I mean, if I want to wrot my own CFG file I must use for ex channel_config: VALUE ecc 01.12.07 # ? 01.12.12 # as most portable FM radio receivers 01.12.13 # I know, kind of annoying but then you buy a BEAUTIFUL ISEE case for it! 01.13.04 # Snorlax You can't replace the battery in the Ipod, the Ipod cannot record, The Ipod cannot read .txt files, the Ipod is SDMI complaint............ 01.13.12 # Therefore the Archos is better :) 01.14.26 # And the Ipod scratches easily, You cannot replace the drive wiv a larger one, The Ipod doesnt support USB....... 01.15.02 # Linus: yes, perhaps I wasnt clear - for a portable radio with no dedicated aerial the reception is great 01.15.11 # well first of all the ipod isn't SDMI complaint cuz if it was I wouldn't consider it.. you can read txt file's on the Ipod, it can't record, but personally I don't care, my old Archos AJB 6k couldn't either.. The battery is replaceable if you got the guts! 01.15.24 # its not however, something I would choose to listen to over a mp3 :) 01.15.54 # But the Ipod still looks boring! 01.16.00 # Snorlax: its possible to replace the cpu if you have the guts, but i wouldnt say its replaceable 01.16.13 # and Apple are too stupid to omit a USB port? 01.16.16 # Everyone has USB! 01.16.24 # what the ipod doesnt have is rockbox 01.16.24 # hey, they're apple 01.16.30 # and never will most likely 01.16.32 # Apple was made to do lock-ins 01.16.54 # fireware is an Apple baby 01.16.58 # hence (((archos++)++)++)++ 01.16.59 # firewire even 01.17.08 # I don't need a larger drive then 10 GB(honestly), for me, it's just overkill, I don't need USB, cuz I got FW(No shit!), the scratch bit is fixed with a beautiful transparent case like ISEE 01.17.16 # yea but USB2 is faster than Firewire 01.17.33 # well, no units support them at full speed anyway, afaik 01.17.37 # not in real life 01.17.43 # Firewire transfer = 400Mbs, USB2 transfer = 480Mbs 01.17.47 # maybe, but it's kind of the same 01.17.47 # so ner :P 01.17.47 # lol 01.17.49 # hmm, you dont need larger than 10 GB ? 01.18.06 # 400 Mbps == 50 MB/s 01.18.29 # you would be impressed if a full sized desktop top of the range IDE disk got 35 MB/s 01.18.36 # no, I got 5 GB of music, 5 GB spare to expand my collection with 01.18.47 # extremely expensive scsi disks can hit 50 01.18.50 # i love an argument :-) 01.18.51 # lol 01.18.54 # snorlax 01.18.54 # :) 01.19.01 # MT: the ATA133 ones do 01.19.13 # iirc 01.19.15 # hmm, id like to see that benchmark 01.19.50 # SATA150 drives dont even hit 50 MB/s 01.20.22 # and now woth the possible open-source(ipodlinux.sourceforge.net) I could get a Ipod-rockbox(YAY!!) 01.20.27 # with 01.20.27 # so, regardless of real figures, the notebook drive in an archos is not going to fill either firewire or usb2 01.20.28 # so looks like tracktheripper and snorlax will never agree :-) 01.20.28 # lol 01.20.30 # :) 01.20.31 # /dev/hda2: 01.20.31 # Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 1.13 seconds = 56.64 MB/sec 01.20.48 # hdparm 01.20.51 Quit Mine78 ("Shokowahhhhh dwahhhnowan!!") 01.20.58 # nop, I've left archos and gone over to the dark side! 01.21.01 # MUAHAHAHAAH! 01.21.15 # come, over to the dark side! 01.21.20 # well Snorlax u love ur Ipod I love my Archos :-) 01.21.24 # nothing is gonna change :-) 01.22.40 # i wish Bjorn was here :-( 01.22.49 # aaaah 01.22.53 # we have a green build 01.22.59 # what u think of this: http://ipodlinux.sourceforge.net/ I'm so hyped up over this! 01.23.18 # it doesn't play mp3s yet, does it? 01.23.50 # yes........ but now realtime 80% same with ogg.vorbix(if anybody cares..) 01.23.57 # not 01.24.10 # ogg vorbis 01.24.20 # man my fingeres are fat! 01.25.01 # ogg vobis isnt as good as MP3Pro 01.25.20 # so performance has to increase by 25% to leave nothing left over for ui? 01.25.21 # its better, its free 01.25.33 # hmm as good as mp3pro ? really ? 01.26.03 # Ive compared MP3Pro and Ogg sidebyside 01.26.05 # MP3 is never gonna die anyway.. 01.26.06 # I find MP3Pro better 01.26.52 # Snorlax you are wrong Sony's ATRAC3 will rule the roost :-) 01.27.06 # night all 01.27.08 Quit Bagder ("http://daniel.haxx.se") 01.27.08 # yeah right.. =) 01.27.21 # lol :-_ 01.27.37 # what does :-_ mean? 01.27.52 # should have been :-) 01.28.08 # ohh 01.28.52 # and Bjorn and co will become best mates with the chaps at Archos :-) 01.30.26 Nick SeeSchloss is now known as SeeSchlaway (~nim@139.109-30-212.9massy1-1-ro-as-i3-2.9tel.net) 01.30.47 # Why not, Bjorn and the gang helped the Archos- Guys sell their player, didnt they? 01.31.03 # yup :-) 01.31.17 # but they still won't add timestretching!!!! :-) 01.31.17 # lol 01.31.34 # Well honestly, they helped them ALOT 01.32.00 # :-) 01.32.08 # I remember sitting with the original firmware, I couldn't almost get a song out of the box! 01.32.51 # hmm 01.33.05 # is there a way to get mp3pro at higher bitrates than 64? 01.33.08 # i had no probs wiv the Archos firmware 01.33.17 # well MP3Pro will go to 96kbs 01.33.19 # not above 01.33.22 # I did, man I had problems! 01.33.46 # I'm the player even survived those 6 months! 01.33.52 # awwwww 01.34.07 Quit matsl_ ("Client Exiting") 01.35.13 # anyways im off to bed now 01.35.20 # look after ur Ipod Snorlax 01.36.03 # nightinight 01.36.19 # nite nite :-) 01.36.25 # nite nite everyone :-) 01.36.39 Join Mine78 [0] (Pozzolo@62.211.161.168) 01.36.44 # sorry I am here again 01.36.52 # I compiled genlang and binlang 01.36.58 Quit tracktheripper ("Leaving") 01.37.02 # I then used it with .lang file 01.37.08 # I obtain a .h and .c file 01.37.16 # now how can i get .lng file ? 01.38.27 # binlang 01.39.15 # binlang .c ? 01.39.35 Join Ted [0] (~jirc@pool-63.50.8.56.chcg.grid.net) 01.40.32 # Hey guys...I know that the Recorder 10 is USB 1.1, and the Recorder 20 is USB 2.0, but does anyone know what the Recorder 15 is? 01.41.05 # Ted: i assume it's 1.1 01.41.42 # when I type binlang languagefile.lang nothing happens 01.43.05 # perl binlang english.lang .lang outfile.lng 01.43.25 # ops................................... sorry................. 01.43.28 # i think 01.43.35 # Linus : I made a patch to correct the display of "rename" on a folder, should I put it on sourceforge (it only adds one line in tree.c) ? 01.43.38 # where is the eng language ? 01.43.58 #