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01.14.48 #       <tracktheripper> Hi
01.15.35 #       <tracktheripper> i want my screen inverter :-)
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01.42.04 #       <Tony> 02anyone not idle?
01.42.10 #       <LinusN> i'm here
01.42.33 #       <Tony> 02Is the recording feature for recording only in the daily builds
01.43.18 #       <LinusN> yes
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01.43.25 #       <Tony> 02OK, cool, thanks
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01.45.26 #       <LinusN> wow
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02.23.22 #       <davidc_> ls
02.23.28 #       <davidc_> nm.. wrong terminal :)
02.23.34 #       <LinusN> :-)
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03.29.34 #       <MT> http://web6.scan.co.uk/Products/Info.asp?WPID=54595
03.29.41 #       <MT> got a trademark? 
03.30.57 #       <PsycoXul> got prior art if nothing else, but thats a hardware product name, and this is a software project so i dunno if there'd be any conflict
03.32.20 #       <MT> they are both mp3 players tho
03.32.26 #       <MT> same arena
03.32.34 #       <MT> and you cant have prior art on a trademark :)
03.33.25 #       <PsycoXul> oh
03.33.47 #       <PsycoXul> why would you have a trademark on something that's not traded though heh
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03.47.42 #       <bombadier337> hey, LinusN, u no anything more about that fastforwarding bug on the recorder?
03.48.06 #       <LinusN> what ff bug?
03.48.44 #       <bombadier337> like when u fastforward, but it says it fast forwareded, but still plays the old position
03.49.20 #       <LinusN> yes, that may happen when you have VBR files without a VBR header
03.49.34 #       <bombadier337> it happens to me on cbr files
03.49.38 #       <LinusN> oh
03.49.52 #       <LinusN> tell me about the file
03.50.00 #       <bombadier337> ive done it on like 3
03.50.58 #       <bombadier337> one is a 60 min chris rock standup,bitrate 128, two other 3-4 min songs, one is 128 bit the other 192
03.51.57 #       <bombadier337> o well, its all good
03.52.46 #       <bombadier337> did sum1 want rockbox to make the recorder 20 become an fm recorder 20?
03.52.51 #       <bombadier337> i read sumthin like that earlier
03.53.11 #       <LinusN> so the WPS tells you that the play position has advanced, but the audio is playing from the beginning?
03.53.17 #       <bombadier337> yes
03.53.26 #       <LinusN> weirdo
03.53.42 #       <LinusN> can you make the shortest of them available for download?
03.53.51 #       <bombadier337> ill try it on a newer build when my usb cable comes
03.54.07 #       <bombadier337> sure, ill put it up 2morrow
03.54.12 #       <LinusN> we haven't changed that code in ages
03.54.25 #       <bombadier337> o, ok
03.54.33 #       <bombadier337> ill play around with it 2night
03.54.46 #       <LinusN> the recorder->fmrecorder request is a joke
03.54.54 #       <bombadier337> where is it?
03.55.07 #       <LinusN> somewhere in the feature request database i guess
03.55.43 #       <bombadier337> what was that guy smokin?
03.56.52 #       <LinusN> well, it was a joke
03.57.02 #       <bombadier337> heh
03.57.25 #       <bombadier337> did tracktheripper write it by chance?
03.57.44 #       <LinusN> i think so, yes
03.59.34 #       <bombadier337> well good news, im having trouble repeating the fast forward bug
04.02.59 #       <LinusN> good :-)
04.03.24 #       <bombadier337> r u like an eltrical engineer or sumthin?
04.03.39 #       <LinusN> i am an embedded systems programmer
04.03.47 #       <bombadier337> nice
04.03.55 #       <bombadier337> what was ur major in college?
04.04.42 #       <LinusN> languages; latin, italian, french and english
04.04.48 #       <bombadier337> sweet
04.05.02 #       <bombadier337> thats tricky, languages r not my thing
04.05.19 #       <LinusN> i never had any computer classes
04.05.28 #       <bombadier337> kool
04.05.44 #       <LinusN> and never went to university
04.05.47 #       <bombadier337> o
04.06.05 #       <bombadier337> i want to learn to program so bad
04.06.12 #       <LinusN> self-taught
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04.06.20 #       <bombadier337> yeh, what i no, is self taught
04.06.25 #       <bombadier337> in c#
04.06.45 #       <elinenbe> LinusN: hello!
04.07.00 #       <PsycoXul> c#? heh
04.07.11 #       <LinusN> hi elinenbe
04.08.48 #       <LinusN> i like that the fm recorder charges the battery from the USB
04.09.01 #       <elinenbe> LinusN: how long does a charge take?
04.09.06 #       <bombadier337> really, thats tight
04.09.10 #       <elinenbe> LinusN: that must be nice for file transfers.
04.09.27 #       <LinusN> i don't know how long it takes :-)
04.09.40 #       <elinenbe> LinusN: I think the FM is a much nicer piece of hardware, BUT, I hate the fact that it does not use standard batteries.
04.09.49 #       <LinusN> same here
04.10.03 #       <bombadier337> i got my recorder 20 for 25, im not complaining
04.10.13 #       <LinusN> however, it seems that they have removed the remote control option :-(
04.10.45 #       <elinenbe> really?
04.10.50 #       <elinenbe> I wonder why they did that?
04.11.18 #       <LinusN> i think the older models broke too often
04.11.42 #       <LinusN> the serial port is sensitive
04.12.13 #       <elinenbe> are the internal connections serial or parallel this time?
04.12.30 #       <LinusN> you mean mas <-> CPU?
04.13.03 #       <elinenbe> yeah.
04.13.05 #       <LinusN> same same
04.13.14 #       <elinenbe> Isn't it serial in the recorder.
04.13.27 #       <LinusN> playback is serial, recording is parallel
04.14.00 #       <elinenbe> LinusN: I think you should design a hardrive based mp3 player.
04.14.07 #       <LinusN> :-)
04.14.09 #       <elinenbe> LinusN: do they use the same MAS chip?
04.14.24 #       <LinusN> yes, it is very similar to the old recorder
04.14.36 #       <LinusN> only the power/battery stuff has changed
04.14.44 #       <LinusN> and the radio of course
04.15.06 #       <elinenbe> For the FM the charging is done through hardware -- is there some chip that takes care of it?
04.15.31 #       <LinusN> yes, a dedicated LiIon charging chip, LTC1734
04.15.38 #       <bombadier337> y doesnt the recorder buzz when charging through rockbox?
04.15.48 #       <LinusN> not mine
04.16.06 #       <LinusN> my recorder that is
04.16.41 #       <LinusN> the fm recorder charging is not s/w controlled
04.17.02 #       <elinenbe> Do you know the logic in that chip?  Do you think that is is better or worse that it is hardware?
04.17.14 #       <LinusN> better
04.17.26 #       <LinusN> LiIon is tricky stuff
04.17.30 #       <elinenbe> oh.
04.17.42 #       <elinenbe> Well, if you have good LiIon code, then it shouldn't matter.
04.17.46 #       <LinusN> you don't want to risk blowing up the unit because ov overcharging
04.18.01 #       <elinenbe> on my 1800mAh batteries I get about 13-14 hours with Rockbox.
04.18.06 #       <LinusN> cool
04.18.08 #       <elinenbe> the batteries are ONLY .89$
04.18.12 #       <elinenbe> you can't really beat that.
04.18.27 #       <elinenbe> that is why these proprietary batteries are so blah!
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04.18.34 #       <LinusN> i agree
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04.18.50 #       <LinusN> i should sleep too
04.18.56 #       <elinenbe> LinusN: nah.
04.19.02 #       <LinusN> :-)
04.19.07 #       <elinenbe> LinusN: any luck with the radio?
04.19.28 #       <LinusN> my new id3/mp3info code works great now
04.19.42 #       <elinenbe> LinusN: what is that going to do?
04.19.48 #       <LinusN> i haven't started with the radio driver, too busy with 2.0
04.20.13 #       <LinusN> the new id3/mp3info code is the base for the Xing header generator
04.20.22 #       <elinenbe> ah...  is that complicated?
04.20.27 #       <LinusN> a little
04.20.35 #       <bombadier337> is 2.0 gonna bring big changes, or just like cvs?
04.20.51 #       <LinusN> you have to parse the MP3 frame headers to calculate the position in time
04.21.02 #       <LinusN> bombadier337: vcs _is_ 2.0
04.21.05 #       <LinusN> cvs
04.21.11 #       <bombadier337> thats what i thought, cool
04.21.23 #       <LinusN> a few more features are on their way in, though
04.21.30 #       <bombadier337> u think there will be a playlist editor?
04.21.36 #       <LinusN> like VBR header generation
04.21.58 #       <LinusN> i don't think a playlist editor will make it into 2.0
04.22.00 #       <elinenbe> LinusN: does it scan the entire file after you stop the recording?
04.22.05 #       <LinusN> yes
04.22.17 #       <LinusN> either automatically or on demand
04.22.21 #       <elinenbe> How long odes that take per minute of mp3?
04.22.43 #       <LinusN> i don't know yet, i have only run it in the simulator
04.22.47 #       <elinenbe> oh.
04.22.59 #       <LinusN> it will take some time, i think
04.23.06 #       <elinenbe> LinusN: how is your wife doing?
04.23.15 #       <LinusN> bad, as usual :-)
04.23.21 #       <bombadier337> huh?
04.23.24 #       <elinenbe> LinusN: sorry to hear that.
04.23.33 #       <elinenbe> LinusN: there should be no smiley :(
04.23.36 #       <LinusN> no change really
04.23.43 #       <bombadier337> what happened?
04.24.09 #       <LinusN> bombadier337: complications when delivering our daughter this october
04.24.19 #       <bombadier337> o, im sorry to hear that
04.24.29 #       <LinusN> yeah, it sucks
04.25.06 #       <LinusN> elinenbe: the smiley was for "as usual"
04.25.18 #       <elinenbe> LinusN: I see.
04.25.23 #       <LinusN> anyway, i gotta get some sleep
04.25.28 #       <elinenbe> LinusN: goodnight
04.25.29 #       <bombadier337> lata man
04.25.38 #       <LinusN> cu around
04.25.41 #       <bombadier337> i hope everything turns out for the best
04.25.50 #       <LinusN> thx
04.25.52 #       <LinusN> nite
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04.27.45 #       <bOmBadIEr337> well im out
04.27.47 #       <bOmBadIEr337> peace
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08.37.38 #       <Bagder> hi!
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08.42.30 #       <dwihno> Hi! :)
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08.57.12 #       <adi|home> Bagder you around?
08.57.17 #       <Bagder> yeps
08.57.23 #       <adi|home> k..
08.57.43 #       <adi|home> with language files.. if there is a bug namely a LANG_... misspelled
08.58.00 #       <adi|home> is it better to correct the typo, or just add a correct label to the end of the lang file?
08.58.05 #       <adi|home> and leave the typo one alone
08.58.15 #       <Bagder> good question
08.58.25 #       <Bagder> I'm not sure
08.58.28 #       <Bagder> I'll check
08.58.30 #       <adi|home> k
09.00.35 #       <Bagder> correcting the typo is the way
09.00.49 #       <Bagder> but...
09.00.54 #       <Bagder> all languages have that typo
09.01.01 #       <Bagder> including the C source using it
09.01.48 #       <adi|home> nods
09.01.52 #       <adi|home> im going to fix them... all :(
09.01.55 #       <adi|home> cool?
09.01.58 #       <Bagder> yeps
09.02.02 #       <adi|home> k.. off i go
09.03.45 #       <Bagder> hey adi, don't change any order of things in the english lang file
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09.10.50 #       <adi|home> define order..
09.10.58 #       <adi|home> we have that single id that was/is alone
09.11.04 #       <adi|home> that was a mistake in it being there..
09.11.10 #       <adi|home> but other then that im not changing any order
09.11.13 #       <dwihno> #define order :-D
09.11.17 #       <adi|home> lol
09.11.29 #       <Bagder> I was refering to that other problem monter mentioned
09.11.46 #       <adi|home> the TETRIS one?
09.11.49 #       <Bagder> yes
09.11.57 #       <adi|home> grrr.. i fixed it.. but didn't commit yet
09.11.58 #       <adi|home> why?
09.12.15 #       <Bagder> we must not change the order of items in the english lang file
09.12.26 #       * adi|home plays dumb
09.12.26 #       <adi|home> why?
09.12.34 #       <Bagder> because it screws up the language files
09.12.58 #       <adi|home> im not trying to be an ass. but how does it screw it up?
09.13.00 #       <Bagder> we should consider doing a cleanup and lang-version bump for 2.0
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09.13.38 #       <Bagder> it breaks backwards compability
09.13.46 #       <adi|home> k
09.13.50 #       <adi|home> ill unfix
09.14.12 #       <adi|home> and you do realize that some of the language files don't have that TETRIS line right?
09.14.29 #       <Bagder> the other files don't matter
09.14.41 #       <Bagder> the english one is the master one
09.14.47 #       <adi|home> okay.. so I can clean those.. just not the english one?
09.14.53 #       <Bagder> yes
09.15.09 #       <adi|home> can i add a comment to that id so that ppl know we are aware of it?
09.15.26 #       <Bagder> sure, comments are good
09.15.38 #       <adi|home> k
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09.21.58 #       <Bagder> the header comment if the english.lang file actually spells out my warning as well ;-)
09.34.39 #       <adi|home> okay.. fixes commited
09.37.03 #       <dwihno> yay!
09.37.07 #       * dwihno loves CVS commits! :D
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10.06.25 #       <quelsaruk> hi
10.07.05 #       <Bagder> hi quelsaruk
10.07.21 #       <quelsaruk> anything new ?
10.07.28 #       <quelsaruk> since friday :)
10.07.50 #       <Bagder> not much, no
10.16.20 #       <Schnueff> moin
10.17.22 #       <adi|home> other then the sokoban changes.. not too much :)
10.17.46 #       <Bagder> ah, right, forgot those
10.18.11 #       <quelsaruk> umm
10.18.20 #       <quelsaruk> i don't play sokoban.. i use my new mobil
10.18.22 #       <quelsaruk> mobile
10.18.25 #       <quelsaruk> :)
10.18.29 #       <quelsaruk> java games ;)
10.18.33 #       <Bagder> hehe
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10.18.45 #       <Bagder> but you can't write your own for it
10.18.52 #       <langhaarrocker> yes you can
10.19.08 #       <Bagder> in theory, yes, in practise most often no
10.19.11 #       <langhaarrocker> I already compiled the "hello world " for it
10.19.27 #       <langhaarrocker> But I'm more interested in its blue tooth capabilites.
10.19.31 #       <quelsaruk> langhaarrocker for presindent
10.19.43 #       <Bagder> kjer wrote a tetris for his T68
10.20.04 #       <Bagder> only to find out that 1) it doesn't work 2) only he and no friends can play it
10.20.07 #       <langhaarrocker> Maybe I'll do a multiplayer wormlet in java via bluetooth
10.20.08 #       <quelsaruk> my brother would like that tetris...
10.21.00 #       <langhaarrocker> But before I start that I want that damn configurable keys work in rockbox
10.22.25 #       <langhaarrocker> But one thing in fact is suprising: most of the demos that come with the api for the s55 don't work.
10.22.47 #       <quelsaruk> i haven't tried them
10.23.19 #       <quelsaruk> the thing that more impressed me is that MMS technology is really bad
10.23.24 #       <langhaarrocker> There's a spread sheed program, too. A spreadsheet for a mobile! What a nonsense.
10.24.22 #       <langhaarrocker> I haven't managed to send MMS at first try and haven't investigated any further.
10.24.48 #       <quelsaruk> i mean.. with siemens you can send midi files but sony-ericsson mobiles wont be able to play the midis.. so the only thing you can send are images and text, or voice records
10.25.37 #       <langhaarrocker> so we have to programm a midi -> sony-ericsson converter :)
10.26.29 #       <quelsaruk> a midi--> imy converter
10.26.32 #       <quelsaruk> :)
10.27.02 #       <quelsaruk> i thought nowadays companys would work in a common way
10.27.21 #       <quelsaruk> as they did with T9
10.27.46 #       <PsycoXul> heh yeah with all this fucking "corporate synergy" lately
10.27.55 #       <Bagder> they did not with T9
10.28.07 #       <Bagder> there are at least three different ways, T9 is one
10.28.45 #       <quelsaruk> yes.. but most mobiles have t9 or something like that.. with word recognition
10.29.04 #       <Bagder> besides, SonyEricsson is still too much Ericsson ;-)
10.29.26 #       * Bagder has done his share of projects for Ericsson
10.29.26 #       <quelsaruk> of course... my brother has a T68i and i don't like it
10.31.42 #       <langhaarrocker> Are there any MasterBlueToothUSB-Plugs? :)
10.31.50 #       <Bagder> yes
10.31.58 #       <Bagder> iirc
10.32.39 #       <langhaarrocker> ?!?! I was thinking about something to plug into the archos and make it wireless.
10.32.42 #       <quelsaruk> langhaarrocker: calpefrosh bought one of those.. as he is german maybe you can ask him 
10.32.49 #       <Bagder> uh
10.32.53 #       <quelsaruk> (i think)
10.32.58 #       <Bagder> well, it might exist something like that
10.37.29 #       * dwihno has a 2-part question: What kind of sideeffects (a.k.a. surprise features) might the SLEEP + HD OFF patches have?
10.39.23 #       <Bagder> you tell us!
10.39.28 #       <Bagder> they should not have any
10.39.33 #       <dwihno> Hmm...
10.40.03 #       <dwihno> I'll do some testing during lunch
10.43.17 #       <Zagor> hd off gives you longer spinup time, meaning it takes more time to change track. that's the only side effect i know of.
10.43.36 #       <quelsaruk> it's better i don't try anything... i you want accurate results ;)
10.44.21 #       <langhaarrocker> still voodoo in your rockbox?
10.44.48 #       <dwihno> Zagor: What disk do you have?
10.44.54 #       * dwihno got some hitachi ninja stuff
10.44.54 #       <Zagor> toshiba 4018gap
10.45.19 #       <dwihno> 4000-something rpm
10.45.27 #       <Zagor> 4200, yes. that's the normal speed.
10.46.34 #       <quelsaruk> langhaarrocker: even worst... now even my computer has demons
10.48.33 #       <quelsaruk> i must go now
10.48.41 #       <quelsaruk> cu l8r!
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10.58.09 #       <dwihno> Zagor: I sometimes experience disk stops, the red light still lit and I need to reboot (happens when I bicycle)
10.59.57 #       <langhaarrocker> I had that phenomenon, too. Seems to occur sometimes when the thing is shaken while accessing disk. But I haven't played with parameters yet.
11.00.41 #       <dwihno> I never experienced that with my IBM disk
11.01.23 #       <langhaarrocker> mine is an ibm
11.01.50 #       <dwihno> Adding a couple of anti-skip seconds might be the trick
11.02.06 #       * dwihno still likes the power-off and sleep options
11.02.39 #       <dwihno> what are the dimensions of the icons?
11.42.10 #       * dwihno feels ignored
11.45.24 #       * langhaarrocker is busy and has no clue
11.48.19 #       <Schnueff> look in icons.h
11.48.36 #       <Schnueff> 5x8, 6x8 oder 7x8 it seems
11.48.49 #       <Schnueff> s/oder/or/ :)
12.09.20 #       <dwihno> People, have a look at this, and tell me what you think: http://dw.lahma.net/rockbox/two_state_thing.png
12.14.14 #       <dwihno> Tell me what you think
12.15.47 #       <dwihno> PsycoXul: what did you think about it?
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12.19.40 #       <PsycoXul> um nifty
12.19.41 #       <PsycoXul> heh
12.19.46 #       <PsycoXul> looks nice
12.21.34 #       <dwihno> The configuration needs to be simplified
12.21.50 #       <dwihno> Right now, you have to press too many buttons in order to get some action going.
12.25.44 #       <langhaarrocker> half of my buttons are broken already.
12.28.50 #       <dwihno> Since my serial neural archos accessory isn't done yet, there might be an idea simplifying the configuration
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12.41.17 #       <kuji> hallo
12.41.28 #       <dwihno> hello!
12.41.45 #       <kuji> can someone answer me a simple question.... pleeeeeze/.....
12.42.05 #       <kuji> when recording, I cannot transfer files back to my pc... always says file corrupted... is this SMCS nonsense.. ?
12.42.31 #       <kuji> 'file or directory is corrupted or unreadable'
12.42.33 #       <dwihno> hmm
12.42.37 #       <dwihno> well, what build do you use?
12.42.45 #       <kuji> latest daily build
12.43.01 #       <dwihno> run scandisk on the hd and check if there is any file system errors
12.43.02 #       <kuji> I can xfer all other files back and forth ok.
12.43.17 #       <kuji> theres nowt, done a scandisk and norton disk doctor
12.44.04 #       <dwihno> What do you do when your recording is finished?
12.44.16 #       <kuji> press off once
12.44.24 #       <dwihno> so you've exited the recording screen?
12.44.56 #       <kuji> yes..
12.45.03 #       <kuji> well one off stops
12.45.08 #       <kuji> another goes out of menu
12.45.38 #       <kuji> I couldnt find any docs about recording so just playing with it..
12.47.05 #       <dwihno> I don't use recording myself...
12.47.31 #       <dwihno> Linus has done the recording code, and Zagor did the file system stuff (if I remember everything correctly)
12.47.36 #       <kuji> are there ANY docs about recording..
12.47.46 #       <kuji> Im not sure Im stopping it the right way.
12.47.47 #       <dwihno> There is some threads discussing this in the mailing list, have you checked them out?
12.47.59 #       <kuji> yes, all seem to be about the time recording bug
12.49.26 #       <dwihno> Then I don't think I can help you :-/ Talk to Zagor or Linus, they might be able to help you.
12.49.46 #       <kuji> hopefully I will catch one of them,.
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12.49.59 #       <dwihno> welcome back, quel
12.50.04 #       <quelsaruk> hi dwihno
12.50.07 #       <dwihno> :-)
12.50.08 #       <Zagor> kuji: which daily build are you using?
12.50.09 #       <dwihno> Que pasa?
12.50.11 #       <quelsaruk> any spare goats??
12.50.23 #       <quelsaruk> i think i'll need them today
12.50.24 #       <dwihno> Non, non spare goato caramello! :-)
12.50.33 #       <quelsaruk> :)
12.50.36 #       <kuji> archos20030225.ajz
12.50.49 #       <kuji> did same on all the others back to 1.4
12.50.53 #       <kuji> is fricking weird
12.51.06 #       <kuji> I can copy files to and fro no prob.. but NOT any recorded ones.
12.51.12 #       <Zagor> kuji: if you make a very short recording, like 5-6 seconds, do you get the same problem?
12.51.18 #       <kuji> Im wondering if its copy protecting them.
12.51.23 #       <Zagor> no, it's a bug
12.51.25 #       <kuji> Zag.. yes no matter the length
12.51.43 #       <Zagor> have you ever reformatted the disk?
12.51.47 #       <kuji> is that right to just press off to finish the recording.
12.51.52 #       <Zagor> yes
12.51.54 #       <kuji> Yes, I have formatted it before..
12.52.07 #       <Zagor> be careful to not press too long, or you'll shut off the whole unit...
12.52.19 #       <kuji> I can copy the files back if I boot into archos rom.
12.52.30 #       <Zagor> !! really?
12.52.32 #       <kuji> yeah..
12.52.44 #       <kuji> Let me just double check that...
12.52.46 #       <Zagor> *that's* weird
12.52.51 #       <langhaarrocker> But usb transfer doesn't depend on the firmware.
12.52.54 #       <kuji> just rebooting it
12.53.31 #       <kuji> ahh shit.. no... it wont..
12.53.42 #       <kuji> it will let me play em on the box
12.53.45 #       <Zagor> ok
12.53.50 #       <Zagor> which windows version are you using?
12.53.59 #       <kuji> XP 
12.54.36 #       <kuji> oh and I noticed a bug report that said about the drive light staying on and music stopping.. I get this... managed to stop it by setting the skip protection to less than 7
12.54.54 #       <langhaarrocker> shouldn't concern usb transfer
12.55.25 #       <Zagor> kuji: do you have another computer available to try on? with another windows version?
12.55.26 #       <kuji> I'll try all inputs as recording and check they are all stuffed
12.55.27 #       <dwihno> kuji: I'm experinencing the light staying on with my new disk too... I'll test it throughly during lunch
12.55.41 #       <Zagor> kuji: input should not matter
12.55.46 #       <kuji> I'll try it with USB1 see if thats any different
12.56.01 #       <langhaarrocker> Have you manually changed the clustersize when fdisking / reformatting your drive?
12.56.15 #       <kuji> no its standard
12.57.31 #       <kuji> ok USB1 no diff... will try on an ME machine
12.59.10 #       <langhaarrocker> But you can see the files in the explorer and they have a real size (>0)?
12.59.15 #       <kuji> yes
13.01.35 #       <kuji> under ME... 'access denied or file may be in use'
13.03.10 #       <langhaarrocker> Didn't linus lately change something? Like closing the file after each buffer write?
13.03.34 #       <Zagor> langhaarrocker: yes
13.03.43 #       <Zagor> but that shouldn't matter for short recordings
13.04.31 #       <kuji> it did the same before that
13.04.54 #       <quelsaruk> zagor
13.05.14 #       <quelsaruk> do you have time for our dialectic fight? 
13.06.11 #       <Zagor> kuji: if you have time, it would be good if you could format the disk on a non-xp machine and see if that changes anything. I have a suspicion that XP has changed the fat32 file system slightly...
13.06.14 #       <quelsaruk> i must convince you that my quick screen menus are better for "long-words" languages
13.06.40 #       <Zagor> quelsaruk: right. how did you modify the screens?
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13.07.54 #       * langhaarrocker opens the door for the pizza boy
13.08.07 #       <Zagor> hi bagder
13.08.39 #       <quelsaruk> i changed the display so we have now something like " << Repeat mode: "   and in the middle of the next line  the status of that option
13.08.44 #       <Bagder> hi
13.09.03 #       <quelsaruk> the same with the shuffle mode.. 
13.09.05 #       <quelsaruk> and so on
13.09.23 #       <quelsaruk> also for the F3, recording F2 and F3 ...
13.09.29 #       <quelsaruk> Dj screen...
13.10.07 #       <quelsaruk> the way it's now is cooler
13.10.13 #       <Zagor> I don't like making a menu of it all. it's not as intuitive.
13.10.38 #       <quelsaruk> sorry.. i didn't understand that
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13.10.49 #       <Schnueff> it's not operated like a menu
13.10.56 #       <quelsaruk> not like a menu
13.11.02 #       <Zagor> I mean I really like how the screen looks like the keys.
13.11.13 #       <quelsaruk> i normally explain myself as a closed book :(
13.11.16 #       <langhaarrocker> why not label the left and right button vertically and leave the layout as it is?
13.11.38 #       <Schnueff> i would imagine vertical labels dont look good
13.12.11 #       <quelsaruk> zagor, if you use spanish, or german (not tested other languages) some strings join and make them look very ugly, and also you can't read them
13.13.07 #       <quelsaruk> i know this is not as intuitive as having the display the same way as the keypad
13.13.21 #       <Zagor> quelsaruk: did you try simply skipping the word "mode" ?
13.13.28 #       <quelsaruk> yes
13.13.35 #       <quelsaruk> but that is just a small problem
13.13.40 #       <quelsaruk> for example
13.13.49 #       <quelsaruk> scrollin spanish is "Desplazamiento"
13.14.01 #       <quelsaruk> a bit longer than scroll..
13.14.12 #       <quelsaruk> or line in is also bigger...
13.14.13 #       <Schnueff> maybe cut the vocals :)
13.14.17 #       <Schnueff> dsplzmnt
13.14.31 #       <quelsaruk> Schnueff: i could read that, but not a normal user..
13.14.37 #       <quelsaruk> or at least not all users
13.14.39 #       <Schnueff> just joking :)
13.15.20 #       <quelsaruk> if i send a sms to my brother and say xk instead of porque.. we would never know that is the same x= "por" and k sound like "que"...
13.15.26 #       <quelsaruk> :)
13.15.28 #       <langhaarrocker> lets have a virtual quickscreen that keeps scrolling around
13.16.20 #       <quelsaruk> Zagor: that's why i thought of using this other way
13.16.38 #       <quelsaruk> is less intuitive, but as you have the icon at the left side..
13.17.01 #       <quelsaruk> you know which button you have to press to change repeat mode
13.18.00 #       * langhaarrocker thinks that internationalization is a pain and uses english
13.19.47 #       <quelsaruk> langhaarrocker: i must say i normally use english, i admit that.. but i have friends that have a very poor english base (Spain is really a mess teaching other languages)
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13.21.49 #       <Zagor> quelsaruk: i sympathize with you, but I really like the keybard-like layout of the quick-screens. maybe there's a good middle ground somehow?
13.22.22 #       <quelsaruk> i hope so ;)
13.22.29 #       <quelsaruk> ok...
13.22.46 #       <quelsaruk> i'll give you 20 goats.. and you change to my screens display
13.22.51 #       <quelsaruk> nothing more
13.22.57 #       <quelsaruk> maybe 21
13.23.00 #       <quelsaruk> but not 22
13.23.08 #       <langhaarrocker> can you 'interleave' the description of left / right keys?
13.23.20 #       <Bagder> would those be spanish goats?
13.23.40 #       <quelsaruk> of course... from the very south of Spain ;)
13.23.58 #       <langhaarrocker> experienced goats?
13.25.01 #       <quelsaruk> 2 of them have seen a ritual, the other are still inocent 
13.25.18 #       <quelsaruk> langhaarrocker: what do you mean with interleave?
13.26.02 #       <langhaarrocker> left button: description left aligned
13.26.02 #       <langhaarrocker> right button description right aligned one line lower
13.26.30 #       <langhaarrocker> but both descriptions can use all of the screen width
13.27.24 #       <quelsaruk> so left icon is at the left
13.27.33 #       <quelsaruk> and right icon is at the right?
13.27.56 #       <langhaarrocker> just an idea. And I don't really like it very much...
13.28.11 #       <quelsaruk> but then.. what do we do with up and down?
13.28.30 #       <langhaarrocker> They remain at the very top / bottom.
13.29.47 #       <quelsaruk> Zagor?
13.30.54 #       <quelsaruk> any idea of how i could change this screens to fit your intiutive model and my internationalisation?
13.31.47 #       <langhaarrocker> Another idea: we could implement a jog dial. You just have to rub over the direction keys cyclically. :)
13.34.31 #       <dwihno> Yay for food! :)
13.34.37 #       <quelsaruk> by dwihno
13.35.16 #       * langhaarrocker finished his pizza and wants another one
13.36.38 #       <quelsaruk> i must reboot
13.36.42 #       <quelsaruk> cu in 1 minute
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13.39.01 #       <langhaarrocker> kuji: can you copy (not move) the file although it is 'in use'?
13.39.25 #       <langhaarrocker> oh, he's offline
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13.41.35 #       <quelsaruk> hi again
13.42.08 #       <quelsaruk> i'm still waiting to see if we negotiate with those goats...
13.42.09 #       <quelsaruk> :)
13.42.58 #       <langhaarrocker> you forget: zagor is a programmer, not a techno priest. He has other means to purify his electronical devices
13.43.33 #       <quelsaruk> but when everything fails... you can only ask a technopriest for advice
13.43.35 #       <quelsaruk> :)
13.43.46 #       <Zagor> langhaarrocker: you're right. I much prefer camels for my rituals :-)
13.43.56 #       <langhaarrocker> argh
13.44.20 #       <dwihno> :-)
13.46.05 #       <quelsaruk> camels?.. they are not good for cold countrys
13.46.11 #       <quelsaruk> countries
13.46.12 #       <quelsaruk> ;)
13.46.59 #       <langhaarrocker> I supposed that programmes use other anmials. Like gnu, yacc, bison, ...
13.47.27 #       <quelsaruk> :)
13.47.36 #       <Bagder> :-D
13.47.55 #       <langhaarrocker> you know the new camel shell?
13.48.48 #       <quelsaruk> well, then, if i get a way to make a menu intuitive and compatible with other languages.. we can talk again about this no?
13.50.24 #       <Bagder> of course
13.50.59 #       <Zagor> quelsaruk: I would recommend playing around with photoshop or something to try and come up with a good a nice-looking screen
13.51.18 #       <quelsaruk> why not gimp?
13.51.20 #       <quelsaruk> ;)
13.51.24 #       <Zagor> of course
13.51.28 #       <Zagor> gimp rocks
13.51.31 #       <quelsaruk> i know
13.52.59 #       <dwihno> Zagor: did you check my screen thing I did?
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13.53.01 #       <Zagor> can a fork()ed child change it's own priority (to a lower prio) ?
13.53.02 #       <quelsaruk> Zagor: can i use a colorfull menu?
13.53.03 #       <dwihno> Please tell me you did! :)
13.53.08 #       <Zagor> dwihno: umm, no :)
13.53.13 #       <dwihno> *sob*
13.53.17 #       <dwihno> dw.lahma.net/rockbox
13.53.21 #       <dwihno> I did pretty gfx ;)
13.53.42 #       <Bagder> Zagor: yes, nice() can be set on your own process, afaik
13.53.43 #       <Zagor> lookie lookie
13.53.53 #       <quelsaruk> hey it's cool
13.54.01 #       <langhaarrocker> aprops gimp: any hires t-shirt contest images available?
13.54.02 #       <quelsaruk> ericsson display
13.54.03 #       <quelsaruk> :)
13.54.22 #       <Bagder> langhaarrocker: I'm trying hard to get adi to make some and send me
13.54.25 #       <Zagor> dwihno: fix set_bool() and i'll merge it :-)
13.54.47 #       <quelsaruk> btw... Zagor, why don't we change the charge animation, to a ericsson charging animation?
13.55.03 #       <Bagder> because we haven't recevied any patch doing that
13.55.07 #       <Zagor> how does that look?
13.55.23 #       <dwihno> Zagor: Was it pretty? :)
13.55.28 #       <Bagder> dwihno: you should upgrade your apache server ;-)
13.55.46 #       <quelsaruk> Bagder, Zagor did you say that to me?
13.55.51 #       <dwihno> Bagder: the entire server needs an upgrade, but my friend hasn't gotten the fingrar ur yet ;)
13.56.06 #       <dwihno> Bagder: what did U think?
13.56.12 #       <Bagder> neato
13.56.25 #       <Zagor> the best part is it works for players too
13.56.51 #       <Bagder> we still support players? ;-P
13.56.55 #       * Bagder hides
13.56.58 #       <Zagor> hehe
13.57.12 #       <Bagder> I was thinking
13.57.27 #       <Bagder> about enabling a special 8MB build on the daily build page
13.57.57 #       <Zagor> mo' builds!
13.57.58 #       <Zagor> ;)
13.58.05 #       <dwihno> mo' builds, mo' problems!
13.58.13 #       <dwihno> With my mind on the builds and the builds on my mind
13.58.28 #       <Bagder> yeah, those 8MB people could really get some things going
13.58.33 #       <langhaarrocker> are there more debug or more 8MB models around? :)
13.58.35 #       <Bagder> like increasing playlist and dircache sizes etc
13.58.51 #       <Bagder> there's ONE debug unit, afaik ;-)
13.58.59 #       <Bagder> or is it two zagor?
13.59.25 #       <Zagor> i don't know
13.59.38 #       <Bagder> are your units debugable?
14.00.03 #       <Zagor> oh, two debug units. one player and one recorder.
14.00.05 #       <langhaarrocker> no. I use all the jacks
14.00.42 #       <quelsaruk> mine? are you crazy Bagder? a technopriest unit debugable?? thn i could not say i'm a technopriest...
14.00.48 #       <dwihno> is it possible to do direct file manipulation with sed or awk?
14.01.06 #       <quelsaruk> i science know where are the errors... there's no place for faith :)
14.01.09 #       <Bagder> cat file | sed -e s/mooo// > newfile
14.01.34 #       <dwihno> Bagder: you can't change the file directly?
14.01.58 #       <Schnueff> perl -i.bak -pe 's/mooo//' file
14.02.01 #       <Bagder> with awk it might be, but I never attempt that
14.02.25 #       <Schnueff> -i like inline
14.03.15 #       <dwihno> inline?
14.03.31 #       <Schnueff> yeah, backup the file into file.bak and change file
14.03.36 #       <dwihno> mkay
14.03.52 #       <dwihno> sed can only do streams?
14.03.57 #       <Schnueff> dunno about sed
14.04.02 #       <Schnueff> :)
14.04.04 #       <Bagder> sed does streams, yes
14.04.13 #       <Schnueff> thats sad
14.04.23 #       <Bagder> no, sed
14.04.24 #       <dwihno> :-)
14.04.26 #       <Schnueff> :)
14.04.28 #       * Bagder ducks
14.04.30 #       <dwihno> You are so geeky
14.04.39 #       <Schnueff> sed makes me sad
14.04.39 #       <dwihno> (which is a good thing, otherwise there would be no rockbox) :)
14.14.50 #       <quelsaruk> time to go home
14.14.54 #       <quelsaruk> see you later
14.14.55 #       <quelsaruk> :)
14.15.03 #       <langhaarrocker> have fun with your goats :)
14.15.09 #       <dwihno> :-)(
14.15.37 #       <quelsaruk> i'm harvesting so i must cook one today ;)
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14.58.28 #       <adi|home> Bagder or Zagor you guys see montor's new post?
14.58.38 #       <adi|home> about the joined id's?
14.59.10 #       <adi|home> am i allowed to split them, or does that qualify as 'moving' them?
15.00.36 #       <Bagder> adding a newline makes no difference
15.02.23 #       <adi|home> k
15.04.05 #       <adi|home> okay.. corrections commited
15.04.13 #       <dwihno> anyone got the url for the 7.5 meg SDK?
15.04.30 #       <Bagder> http://rockbox.my-vserver.de/win32-sdk.html
15.05.10 #       <dwihno> thank you :)
15.05.19 #       <Bagder> its in the docs page
15.05.48 #       <langhaarrocker> If I'd search for it I'd search on the download page ...
15.05.49 #       <dwihno> it is?
15.05.58 #       * dwihno needs to get his contacts
15.06.05 #       <Bagder> "Setup a cygwin Rockbox development environment (Windows)"
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15.08.07 #       <Kuji> zagor.. you dere ?
15.08.10 #       <langhaarrocker> kuji: can you copy (not move) the file although it is 'in use'?
15.08.27 #       <Kuji> right Ive formatted under ME.. same problem
15.08.36 #       <Kuji> I cannot copy file no.
15.08.43 #       <Kuji> havent tried renaming..
15.09.02 #       <Kuji> can renamre
15.09.12 #       <Kuji> can move
15.09.16 #       <Kuji> cannot move to PC
15.09.38 #       <langhaarrocker> tried to move to different places on the pc?
15.09.49 #       <Kuji> yeah same thing
15.09.57 #       <Kuji> but can move on the box anywhere
15.10.09 #       <langhaarrocker> fascinating
15.10.51 #       <Kuji> but yet windows or dos will allow me to rename, delete it.
15.10.52 #       <langhaarrocker> And that concerns only files recorded with rockbox? A mp3 transfered pc -> rockbox -> pc works?
15.10.58 #       <Kuji> yes
15.11.08 #       <Kuji> but not a rockbox recorded file
15.11.14 #       <Bagder> you tried scandisk on the archos?
15.11.19 #       <Kuji> ye its fine
15.11.25 #       <Bagder> weeeeird
15.11.26 #       <langhaarrocker> oh, you recorded with the archos firmware?
15.11.27 #       <Kuji> chkdsk, norton disk doctor all ok
15.11.29 #       <Kuji> nonono
15.11.42 #       <Kuji> a rockbox recorded file
15.11.48 #       <Kuji> archos ones will copy no problem
15.12.05 #       <langhaarrocker> (because archos firmware does strange things with the fat)
15.12.08 #       <Kuji> tried files 4 ,6 ,8 , 12 seconds
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15.12.44 #       <Kuji> It seems just like an SMCS thing, where windows is stopped from making copies
15.13.04 #       <langhaarrocker> that cannot be. smcs woud prevent from making a file at all
15.13.15 #       <langhaarrocker> But once you have the file it's just a file. 
15.13.22 #       <Kuji> mmm
15.13.52 #       <Kuji> anything you want me to try 
15.14.41 #       <langhaarrocker> As you already tried older rockbox versions with recording I can't think of anything.
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15.15.32 #       <Kuji> does 1.4 have recording ?
15.15.44 #       <langhaarrocker> no
15.16.01 #       <Kuji> what is the earliest build that does...
15.16.52 #       <dwihno> the first builds with recording are probably unstable as fubar
15.17.36 #       <Kuji> just to test the file xfer
15.19.02 #       <Zagor> Kuji: the file xfer is not handled by the firmware
15.19.37 #       <langhaarrocker> but what makes windows think the file was in use?
15.20.04 #       <Zagor> I don't know. sounds like a file write problem, but I have no clue how to write a file so windows thinks it's in use...
15.20.34 #       <Schnueff> hm
15.20.41 #       <Schnueff> what about a file created with 'create playlist'
15.20.49 #       <Kuji> trying now
15.20.51 #       <Schnueff> one could try to copy this
15.21.06 #       <dwihno> smart thinking, Schnueff 
15.21.29 #       <Kuji> how do I add to playlist
15.21.37 #       <Kuji> the file at 0 bytes copies fine.
15.21.55 #       <Schnueff> in the menu there should be a 'create playlist' entry for the recent builds
15.22.01 #       <Kuji> ye
15.22.01 #       <Schnueff> (recent = some weeks old)
15.22.05 #       <Kuji> how to add
15.22.21 #       <langhaarrocker> it makes a playlist of the selected dir
15.22.27 #       <Schnueff> if you select it, a playlist for all mp3s in and below the current dir will be created
15.22.27 #       <Kuji> ahh ok
15.23.20 #       <Kuji> aha.. no it wont
15.23.33 #       <langhaarrocker> so the copy problem is not recording specific.
15.23.57 #       <langhaarrocker> can you open the m3u file with a text editor?
15.24.25 #       <Kuji> no access
15.25.56 #       <langhaarrocker> :(
15.25.56 #       <langhaarrocker> another topic: I use Win2k. It won't allow me to safely remove the archos unless I relogin. Does anybody experience the same?
15.26.08 #       <Kuji> how to add to a queue.. I could try copying the queue file
15.26.19 #       <Schnueff> on + play iirc
15.26.28 #       <Schnueff> or something
15.27.52 #       <Kuji> nope that neither.. so its a file structure thing
15.28.45 #       <langhaarrocker> If so - why does it pass scandisk / norton. 
15.29.14 #       <Kuji> fuck nose
15.29.26 #       <Schnueff> what
15.29.32 #       <Kuji> fuck knows .
15.29.34 #       <Kuji> no idea
15.29.39 #       * Schnueff fingers his nose.
15.29.42 #       <Kuji> hehe
15.29.48 #       * dwihno has lot of snot in his
15.30.02 #       <langhaarrocker> I won't ask how it got in there
15.30.32 #       <dwihno> Then I won't tell you that I got a cold during saturday
15.31.45 #       <langhaarrocker> dwihno: avoid sneezing at the monitor.
15.32.13 #       <Kuji> well  ran chkdsk under dos..
15.32.30 #       <Kuji> says <file> first allocation unit is not valid. The entry will be truncated.
15.32.45 #       <langhaarrocker> that usually finds all those files generated with the archos firmware.
15.33.09 #       <Kuji> this found the queue, the mp3 recorded and the playlist !
15.33.28 #       <Zagor> Kuji: chkdsk found the error, but not norton or scandisk???
15.33.49 #       <Kuji> no
15.35.59 #       <Kuji> basically any files that rockbox creates come up as first allocation unit is not valid. The entry will be truncated. 
15.36.04 #       <langhaarrocker> Zagor: you don't steal bugs from the archos firmware, do you?
15.36.29 #       <dwihno> langhaarrocker: i've avoided it this far, keeping only thumb marks
15.36.31 #       <Kuji> bloody chdsk removes the files
15.36.33 #       <Zagor> that bug is due to fubar file system. it's alarming that scandisk does not find/fix this.
15.37.40 #       <Kuji> hope this all helps in some way !! ;-)
15.38.45 #       <langhaarrocker> Kuji: My workaround to this problem used to be to move the file archos -> pc -> archos. Afterwards scandisk was happy.
15.39.08 #       <Kuji> I'll try and move it with archos..
15.39.30 #       <Kuji> see if it moans
15.39.34 #       <langhaarrocker> I meant moving the files, not the device :)
15.39.47 #       <Kuji> I gotcha ;-)
15.39.56 #       <Kuji> nope file is still buggered
15.40.30 #       <langhaarrocker> doesn't surprise me: I think the os moves only the entry in the fat around
15.41.01 #       <langhaarrocker> can you copy it somewhere else on the jb?
15.41.05 #       <Kuji> yes
15.41.12 #       <langhaarrocker> is the copy movable?
15.41.13 #       <Kuji> rename or delete
15.41.16 #       <Kuji> no
15.41.35 #       <Kuji> oh hang on.. I'll double check that
15.41.43 #       <langhaarrocker> now it becomes even more strange to me. The copy was written by the os!
15.41.54 #       <Kuji> ahh no it wont let me copy 
15.41.56 #       <Kuji> sorry
15.42.05 #       <Kuji> just move, rename or delete
15.42.34 #       <langhaarrocker> what's fubar file system?
15.43.22 #       <Kuji> bloody weird thats for sure
15.45.14 #       <Kuji> is there a site for the archos new beta firmware ?
15.45.44 #       <Kuji> I wonder if they will have nicked any code from RB.
15.46.00 #       <langhaarrocker> Isn't all the archos firmware beta? ;)
15.49.21 #       <dwihno> Kuji: beta firmware?
16.03.49 #       <Zagor> gotta go
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16.14.15 #       <dwihno> Kuji: what kind of beta firmware are you talking about?
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16.22.28 #       <quelsaruk> hi..
16.23.37 #       <dwihno> Bienvenue! :D
16.23.57 #       <quelsaruk> not really
16.24.10 #       <quelsaruk> i've fried my portable case...
16.24.15 #       <quelsaruk> maybe a 6GB HD..
16.24.23 #       <quelsaruk> a 30 GB hd..
16.24.24 #       <quelsaruk> and...
16.24.37 #       <dwihno> you did?! :(
16.24.38 #       <quelsaruk> i have 10% chance of having fried my jukebox
16.24.46 #       <quelsaruk> in just 10 minutes
16.24.52 #       <quelsaruk> a record
16.25.06 #       <quelsaruk> i've never done anything like that before...
16.25.29 #       <dwihno> what have you done?
16.25.32 #       <dwihno> What did you do?
16.25.43 #       <langhaarrocker> you told us you were going to fry goats only!
16.25.44 #       <dwihno> You're a technopriest! You can't have broken anything!
16.26.00 #       <dwihno> langhaarrocker: perhaps the goats got a hold of his juke...
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16.26.34 #       <quelsaruk> i think i shouldn't have told the goat i was going to eat it
16.26.37 #       <quelsaruk> :(
16.26.59 #       <langhaarrocker> Please tell us how to fry 2 drives and a jukebox within 10 min.
16.27.06 #       <quelsaruk> i dunno how
16.27.08 #       <quelsaruk> well..
16.27.17 #       <quelsaruk> i know how to fry a hd and the case
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16.27.27 #       <quelsaruk> but not the jukebox and the 30 GB hd
16.27.56 #       <langhaarrocker> (training required, I guess)
16.28.22 #       <quelsaruk> i umounted the 30 gb h from the case and connected it to the jukebox ( it was on the case to remane mp3... defrag hd...)
16.28.55 #       <quelsaruk> then.. i connected the 6gb hd to the case, but i made a stupid and weird error
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16.29.49 #       <langhaarrocker> omitted the rubber sheet?
16.29.57 #       <quelsaruk> don't know how, but conected pins in a weird way, left pins 1,2 disconected and conected pins 3,4 where i should have conected 1 and 2
16.30.23 #       <quelsaruk> like rolling all pin rows i setp right
16.30.46 #       * langhaarrocker shivers
16.31.01 #       <dwihno> what pins?
16.31.04 #       <dwihno> disk pins?
16.31.04 #       <quelsaruk> so when i powered it up...
16.31.11 #       <quelsaruk> yes.. disk pins
16.31.30 #       * quelsaruk can't explain all the smoke and fire...
16.31.31 #       <dwihno> :-/
16.31.47 #       <quelsaruk> that's how you can break a hd and a case...
16.31.49 #       <dwihno> Damn goats! :(
16.32.03 #       <quelsaruk> but i dunno what happened to the jukebox
16.32.06 #       <quelsaruk> i swear
16.32.08 #       <quelsaruk> :(
16.32.23 #       <quelsaruk> i don't want to test it today...
16.32.46 #       <quelsaruk> i don't really worry about the 6gb hd, 'cause i got it for free
16.32.52 #       <quelsaruk> but my little case....
16.33.02 #       <quelsaruk> i loved it so much...
16.33.04 #       <quelsaruk> :(
16.33.17 #       <quelsaruk> and i'm really worried about the 30GB hd...
16.33.36 #       <quelsaruk> i don't want to convert all my music to mp3 again!
16.34.30 #       <quelsaruk> (thanks god neither zagor or bagder are here to see this big mess)
16.35.35 #       <langhaarrocker> but your s55 is still fine?
16.35.49 #       <langhaarrocker> (lets search for the positive)
16.36.08 #       <dwihno> quelsaruk: look at this from the bright side - it's an excellent opportunity to upgrade your disk! :)
16.36.17 #       <quelsaruk> again?
16.36.32 #       <quelsaruk> langhaarrocker: i don't want to touch it...
16.36.49 #       <quelsaruk> just in case i still have electrostatic electricity and fry it too
16.37.06 #       <quelsaruk> i think i can change the case...
16.37.45 #       <dwihno> you still have your goats.
16.37.49 #       <dwihno> that's also positive.
16.37.59 #       <quelsaruk> as i bought it as a dealer, so i can say that i've sold it today and it was broken...
16.38.39 #       <quelsaruk> the 30 GB hd has still warranty
16.38.46 #       <dwihno> good :-)
16.38.52 #       <quelsaruk> i most fear all the info
16.39.00 #       <quelsaruk> and the jukebox
16.39.10 #       <quelsaruk> but as i didn't make anything strange...
16.39.25 #       <quelsaruk> i hope it was just a joke
16.40.05 #       <quelsaruk> i must check my technopriest licence, maybe i have to renew it :)
16.40.27 #       <dwihno> perhaps it has been cancelled becuase of this event?! :)
16.40.36 #       <quelsaruk> i hope not
16.45.50 #       <quelsaruk> i must leave you now
16.45.59 #       <quelsaruk> may the source be with me...
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17.10.33 #       <Norrin> Sorry to bother the hard working individuals of Rockbox but was curious if the Rockbox firmware for the FM recorder supports the FM tuner?
17.11.06 #       <webmind> dunno.. not likely..and uhm.. if it does.. it's probably on the site?
17.11.43 #       <Norrin> I've read the FAQ, nothing listed there.  Daily builds don't mention the FM tuner support either.  Thanks for your time.
17.16.13 #       <webmind> np, i though people where working on the support for the fm thingie.. dunno how far it was
17.16.59 #       <Schnueff> rockbox seems to run decently on the FM but none of the extra features of it are supported
17.17.05 #       <Schnueff> (yet)
17.21.36 #       <Norrin> I had a Jukebox Studio 20 which was pretty difficult to deal with until I loaded the Rockbox firmware on it.  The FM recorder is better but look forward to using Rockbox firmware.  Cheers.
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17.34.48 #       <MT> LinusN is working on it, so I expect it will end up working :)
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18.08.25 #       <tracktheripper> Hi
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19.01.35 #       <Stephen> hey all
19.01.37 #       <[Del]> yo
19.02.08 #       <Stephen> Just like to say Rockbox rules :D Just saw today that it's now working on the FM recorder, and I love it :D
19.02.25 #       <Stephen> been waiting ages for it :)
19.02.27 #       <[Del]> i didn't like my fm recorder.
19.02.31 #       <[Del]> i returned it.
19.02.37 #       <[Del]> it wouldn't play a bunch of songs that i had.
19.03.00 #       <Stephen> My first one had a hard drive error
19.03.07 #       <Stephen> but the store replaced it without moaning
19.03.26 #       <[Del]> that's cool.
19.03.36 #       <[Del]> when i took mine back, the girl dropped it.
19.03.41 #       <Stephen> lol
19.03.41 #       <PsycoXul> heh
19.03.45 #       <[Del]> i was like, "oh, that's gonna suck for whoever buys it next"
19.05.05 #       <Stephen> just wondering is there a downloadable version of the documentation?
19.05.36 #       <[Del]> not that i know of.
19.05.39 #       <[Del]> just save all the pages.
19.06.14 #       <Stephen> OK just wondered :D I was going to just save the pages if there wasn't
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19.08.36 #       <tracktheripper> Hiiiiiiiiii
19.08.44 #       <[Del]> yo
19.09.01 #       <tracktheripper> hi Del
19.09.04 #       <[Del]> For the record, "track", this is IRC, not AOL.  On "i" will do.  ;-)
19.09.22 #       <tracktheripper> :-O!
19.09.26 #       <tracktheripper> how did u know im on AOL?!
19.09.39 #       <[Del]> call it a hunch.
19.09.43 #       <tracktheripper> lol
19.09.43 #       <[Del]> or a whois.
19.09.49 #       <[Del]> you and your java applets.
19.09.54 #       <tracktheripper> Ok
19.09.57 #       <tracktheripper> Hi
19.09.59 #       <tracktheripper> better?
19.10.00 #       <[Del]> Hi.
19.10.01 #       <[Del]> Yes.
19.10.18 #       <tracktheripper> :) 
19.10.21 #       <tracktheripper> u have an FM recorder?
19.10.31 #       <[Del]> I used to.  I returned it.
19.10.40 #       <tracktheripper> oh right whys that?
19.10.44 #       <tracktheripper> I have a JBRec10
19.10.54 #       <[Del]> because it wouldn't play a bunch of my tracks.
19.10.57 #       <[Del]> i've got a rec15.
19.11.12 #       <tracktheripper> is that the one wiv the black corners?
19.11.30 #       <[Del]> yes.
19.11.37 #       <[Del]> if by "wiv" you mean "with".
19.11.37 #       <tracktheripper> cool
19.11.43 #       <tracktheripper> :-(
19.11.49 #       <tracktheripper> ok "with"
19.12.18 #       <tracktheripper> and I have an Archos Jukebox Recorder 10 and it has the Hitachi Hard Drive which is 10 Gigabytes :-)
19.12.42 #       <[Del]> Spectacular.
19.13.03 #       <tracktheripper> heehee :-)
19.13.49 #       <tracktheripper> Why didnt you like the FM rec?
19.14.01 #       <[Del]> [13:10:40] <tracktheripper> oh right whys that? 
19.14.01 #       <[Del]> [13:10:44] <tracktheripper> I have a JBRec10 
19.14.01 #       <[Del]> [13:10:53] <[Del]> because it wouldn't play a bunch of my tracks. 
19.14.46 #       <tracktheripper> perhaps your files are corrupt. My Archos has never given me trouble
19.15.33 #       <[Del]> No, they're not corrupt, because they play fine in wmp, winamp, fb2k, and the rec15.
19.15.44 #       <tracktheripper> oh okay
19.16.25 #       <tracktheripper> What bitrate are your files?
19.16.28 #       <[Del]> I don't know what the deal was.
19.16.29 #       <[Del]> 128.
19.16.35 #       <tracktheripper> i use 192
19.16.43 #       <[Del]> i rip at 192.
19.16.52 #       <tracktheripper> you said 128 :-)
19.17.00 #       <[Del]> I know I did.
19.17.04 #       <[Del]> They were seperate questions.
19.17.13 #       <[Del]> What bit rate are your files?  128.
19.17.16 #       <[Del]> What do I rip at?  192.
19.21.47 #       <tracktheripper> yea
19.21.52 #       <tracktheripper> All of my MP3s are 192kbs
19.22.02 #       <tracktheripper> don't like 128kbs as I can hear compression artifacts
19.22.21 #       <[Del]> I can't.
19.22.41 #       <tracktheripper> What ripper do u use?
19.23.12 #       <[Del]> ac.
19.23.20 #       <tracktheripper> i use musicmatch
19.23.28 #       <[Del]> I don't like that app.  :)
19.23.37 #       <[Del]> I'm very against skinnable things.
19.23.40 #       <tracktheripper> well it does my ripping duties fine
19.23.52 #       <[Del]> Splendid.
19.23.56 #       <tracktheripper> and it uses the Fraunhofer codec which is the best in the business ;-)
19.24.41 #       <[Del]> Good job?
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19.24.52 #       <[Del]> yay wrong button.
19.24.57 #       <tracktheripper> welcome back
19.25.01 #       <[Del]> Thanks.
19.25.08 #       <tracktheripper> yea the Fraunhofer codec is the best 
19.25.31 #       <[Del]> It depends on whose research you listen to.
19.26.13 #       <tracktheripper> the Blade codec and the Lame codecs are crap
19.26.29 #       <[Del]> I reiterate:
19.26.30 #       <[Del]> It depends on whose research you listen to.
19.26.54 #       <tracktheripper> yes
19.27.02 #       <tracktheripper> but im talking about personal experience
19.27.06 #       <tracktheripper> im an MP3 connesiour
19.27.37 #       <[Del]> Obviously.
19.27.54 #       <tracktheripper> but anything is better than WMA
19.28.19 #       <[Del]> So, you're a WMA connesiour as well?
19.28.25 #       <tracktheripper> NO!
19.28.33 #       <tracktheripper> I HATE wma :-)
19.28.55 #       <[Del]> So then, not knowing about it, how can you degrade its worth?
19.29.12 #       <tracktheripper> ive heard WMA on Windows Media Player
19.29.16 #       <tracktheripper> its crap compared to MP3
19.29.27 #       <tracktheripper> Who wants to encolde at ultra-low bitrates anyway?
19.30.07 #       <[Del]> I don't know.
19.30.11 #       <MT> people who want to transmit voip
19.30.16 #       <tracktheripper> lol
19.30.18 #       <[Del]> voip people.
19.30.19 #       <[Del]> Yeah.
19.30.21 #       <tracktheripper> MP3Pro is cool as well
19.30.30 #       <tracktheripper> I appreciate MP3Pro but not WMA
19.30.44 #       <[Del]> You should write your own codec, track, since you're the pro.
19.31.00 #       <tracktheripper> well unfortunatly tracktheripper cannot program to save his life
19.31.05 #       <tracktheripper> im a listener not a writer :-)
19.31.23 #       <[Del]> He can, however, type in the thrid person, and manage to completely avoid all punctuation.
19.31.57 #       <tracktheripper> Del, tracktheripper did pass his english exam. :-)
19.32.15 #       <[Del]> And a miracle we all found that to be.
19.32.38 #       <tracktheripper> <---------- has had his feelings hurt :-(.
19.33.35 #       <tracktheripper> :-)
19.33.44 #       <tracktheripper> @--:-)--@
19.33.55 #       <[Del]> ... this is still IRC.
19.35.40 #       <adi|work> calm down children
19.35.45 #       <adi|work> don't make me pull this car over
19.35.49 #       <[Del]> I'm perfectly calm, dude.
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19.36.09 #       <Walter> I'm calmer than you are.
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19.37.57 #       <tracktheripper> <--- is perfectly calm
19.41.26 #       <tracktheripper> where are you Delboy?
19.42.43 #       <[Del]> That's [Del].
19.42.46 #       <[Del]> And I'm here.
19.42.53 #       <tracktheripper> ok [Del]
19.43.08 #       <tracktheripper> Im off to have my dinner, ill be back on soon.
19.43.22 #       <[Del]> cya.
19.43.42 #       <tracktheripper> Bjorn upset me more than anyone else!!! :-) hahaha!
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20.11.16 #       <tracktheripper> Hi.
20.11.48 #       <tracktheripper> just had dinner.
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20.14.08 #       <tracktheripper> if you miss then you try again.
20.15.52 #       <tracktheripper> you there Del?
20.17.49 #       <[Del]> yeah
20.17.50 #       <[Del]> sup?
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20.18.47 #       <tracktheripper> wondered where you were!
20.18.52 #       <tracktheripper> didn't mean to upset you!
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20.19.36 #       <[Del]> you didn't.
20.19.38 #       <[Del]> i'm at work.
20.19.54 #       <tracktheripper> oh right.
20.20.37 #       <tracktheripper> where do you work at?
20.21.14 #       <[Del]> www.digitalsystemsgroup.com
20.21.37 #       <tracktheripper> oh right ill check that out
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20.37.57 #       <[Del]> Apparently he didn't like it.
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20.54.25 #       <Stephen> anyone around? cause I've got a question
20.55.52 #       <[Del]> yo.
20.55.52 #       <quelsaruk> maybe...
20.55.57 #       <Stephen> lol
20.56.26 #       <Stephen> is the "deep discharge" option included with the FM Recorder version of rockbox? cause I can't seem to find out, maybe I'm looking in the wrong place though
20.57.21 #       <[Del]> It should be.
20.59.04 #       <Stephen> any idea where?
20.59.19 #       <Stephen> or has it been renamed to "power saving" cause thats all I can find
21.00.00 #       <[Del]> I'm not sure.
21.01.27 #       <Stephen> I know I've already said it once today but I love the WPS :D
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21.03.19 #       <[Del]> hehe.
21.03.21 #       <[Del]> me too.
21.03.48 #       <Stephen> Do archos do a remote control for the fm recorder? or is it just for the studio
21.04.26 #       <[Del]> just studio, iirc.
21.04.40 #       <Stephen> ah right
21.05.18 #       <Stephen> ah that was my other question (I know I'm annoying :D), File Delete & Rename are on the feature list, how do you access them?
21.05.40 #       <[Del]> in the file list, press on, and play, at the same time.
21.05.50 #       <Stephen> ah I see
21.05.52 #       <Stephen> thanks :D
21.05.56 #       <[Del]> np
21.06.16 #       <Stephen> rename was something that annoyed me that the archos firmware didn't have
21.06.33 #       <[Del]> a lot of things annoyed me about the archos firmware.
21.07.00 #       <Stephen> thats the other thing :D creating playlists?
21.07.15 #       <[Del]> What about it?
21.07.45 #       <Stephen> how?
21.07.53 #       <[Del]> press F1
21.07.58 #       <[Del]> scroll to Create Playlist
21.08.01 #       <[Del]> and press Play
21.08.10 #       <[Del]> while in the file listing.
21.08.18 #       <Stephen> doesn't that just add all the files in the current directory?
21.08.35 #       <[Del]> recursively.
21.09.07 #       <Stephen> I meant is it possible to do something like on the original, hold the play button to add it to the list
21.09.15 #       <Stephen> for example I may want a song from 
21.09.29 #       <Stephen> the folder /folder/something/album
21.09.45 #       <Stephen> and the whole folder /folder2/artist
21.10.22 #       <[Del]> i'm not sure.
21.11.14 #       <Stephen> oh well I'll just use Rolo to change firmware when I need to do that
21.11.17 #       <Stephen> no biggy
21.12.22 #       <Stephen> anyway thanks for your help. you've been greta
21.12.22 #       <[Del]> aye.
21.12.24 #       <Stephen> *great
21.12.26 #       <[Del]> np.
21.12.27 #       <[Del]> anytime.
21.12.31 #       <Stephen> gtg
21.12.45 #       <Stephen> probably be back some other time with more annoying questions :D
21.13.01 #       <[Del]> k
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21.23.03 #       <quelsaruk> cu tomorrow
21.23.09 #       <[Del]> cya
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