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00.00.11 #       <tracktheripper> ohh
00.00.19 #       <nikkelitous> I actually don't follow the rules.  I usually just compile it where it is.
00.00.25 #       <nikkelitous> I know I shouldn't.
00.00.26 #       <tracktheripper> I can't even get Cygwin to work and Ive read the docs to death
00.00.35 #       <LinusN> what is the dir called where you have the rockbox source?
00.00.47 #       <nikkelitous> Firmware I think.
00.00.57 #       <nikkelitous> Or rockbox.
00.01.08 #       <nikkelitous> One of the two.
00.01.16 #       <nikkelitous> rockbox
00.01.19 #       <LinusN> so you also have rockbox/firmware and rockbox/apps, right?
00.01.23 #       <nikkelitous> yeah
00.01.26 #       <nikkelitous> and tools.
00.01.28 #       <nikkelitous> and www.
00.01.36 #       <LinusN> create a dir called rockbox/recsim
00.01.54 #       <LinusN> cd rockbox
00.01.56 #       <LinusN> mkdir recsim
00.01.57 #       <nikkelitous> 'K/
00.02.35 #       <nikkelitous> USB 1.1 is way too slow.
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00.04.40 #       <LinusN> have you created the dir?
00.08.30 #       <nikkelitous> yeah.
00.08.37 #       <nikkelitous> When I said 'K I had.
00.10.45 Part    Low009
00.11.12 #       <LinusN> aha
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00.11.19 #       <LinusN> cd recsim
00.11.31 #       <LinusN> ../tools/configure
00.12.22 #       <nikkelitous>  cygwin or cmd?
00.13.51 #       <nikkelitous> nevermind...  Done
00.14.50 #       <tracktheripper> :-)
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00.16.44 #       <LinusN> nikkelitous: after configure is done, run "make"
00.17.08 #       <nikkelitous> Ok.
00.17.18 #       <nikkelitous> Errors.
00.17.28 #       <LinusN> i only managed to compile recorder,though
00.17.36 #       <LinusN> you need Perl
00.17.45 #       <nikkelitous> I have perl
00.17.50 #       <LinusN> what was the error?
00.18.04 #       <nikkelitous> There are no other files in the dir 'sides Makefile
00.18.18 #       <LinusN> that's how it should be
00.18.47 #       <nikkelitous> can't copy the error.
00.19.16 #       <nikkelitous> Something about the .dep directory doesn't exist.
00.20.41 #       <nikkelitous> Its really funny when the least lag you get is from a server halfway to the other side of the planet.
00.21.16 #       <nikkelitous> sh-elf-gcc: not found
00.21.20 #       <nikkelitous> Thats the first error
00.22.27 #       <LinusN> nikkelitous: you should have answered Simulator instead of Normal
00.22.34 #       <nikkelitous> Oh oops
00.23.04 #       <nikkelitous> fixed the config
00.23.12 #       <LinusN> the .dep errors are normal
00.24.01 #       <nikkelitous> Now I KNOW why this new error happened.
00.24.08 #       <nikkelitous> I'll have to move my dir.
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00.26.06 #       <nikkelitous> There we go.
00.26.16 #       <nikkelitous> Had it in a directory with a space in the name.
00.26.48 #       <nikkelitous> Your configure should probably insert a \ before all spaces.
00.27.33 #       <LinusN> hehe, nobody have noticed that yet
00.27.49 #       <nikkelitous> New error.  Only info is Error 255
00.28.07 #       <nikkelitous> in sysfont.o
00.28.36 #       <LinusN> cd ../tools
00.28.37 #       <LinusN> make
00.29.00 #       <nikkelitous> what is Error 255?
00.29.04 #       <nikkelitous> Not found?
00.29.11 #       <LinusN> i don't know
00.29.27 #       <nikkelitous> Then how did you know how to fix it?
00.29.33 #       <LinusN> did i?
00.29.38 #       <nikkelitous> does ANYONE understand GCCs errors?
00.29.47 #       <nikkelitous> Yeah you did.
00.29.48 #       <PsycoXul> gcc's errors are simple
00.29.53 #       <PsycoXul> and straight forward
00.30.15 #       <nikkelitous> Is it makes errors that are obfusicated?
00.30.20 #       <PsycoXul> i've read pages about compiler errors
00.30.25 #       <LinusN> after you typed make in tools, did you go back and try again?
00.30.28 #       <PsycoXul> and different ones from different compilers
00.30.33 #       <PsycoXul> and gcc's are some of the nicest
00.30.42 #       <nikkelitous> Yeah.  It worked perfect.
00.30.46 #       <nikkelitous> Running and everything.
00.30.49 #       <PsycoXul> nikkelitous: most people seem to miss gcc's errors when looking at make's output
00.30.50 #       <nikkelitous> 0 problems.
00.31.17 #       <PsycoXul> i dunno how many times somebody's asked what a compilation error meant, and only pasted the make error
00.31.23 #       <LinusN> nikkelitous: typing 'make' in the tools/ dir is the first thing you should do according to docs/README
00.31.30 #       <nikkelitous> Yeah I know.
00.31.45 #       <nikkelitous> I told you...  I read them but I don't follow instructions well.
00.31.53 #       <LinusN> :-)
00.33.16 #       <nikkelitous> I figured the tools were mainly 'tools' and not 'utilities'
00.33.37 #       <nikkelitous> Tools are uneccesary.  Utilities are neccesary.
00.33.54 #       <nikkelitous> Geeks are weird that way.
00.34.11 #       <nikkelitous> For most professions it is the other way around.
00.35.48 #       <nikkelitous> Sheesh.  How do people fill these things up?  20 gigs is bigger than my whole hard-drive.
00.36.14 #       <LinusN> i have 13 gigs on my jukebox
00.36.46 #       <LinusN> and i have 400Gb drive space on my PC :-)
00.37.24 #       <LinusN> video editing sure eats hard drive space :-)
00.38.17 #       <nikkelitous> I have a laptop so I can't get a big drive.  I can't stand the noise of desktops.
00.38.24 #       <nikkelitous> I have seriously sensitive hearing.
00.38.36 #       <nikkelitous> Which is why I could justify buying an Archos.
00.41.19 #       <nikkelitous> Well...  I have to run.
00.41.22 #       <nikkelitous> Au Revoir.
00.41.27 #       <LinusN> au revoir
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02.10.39 #       <archtelamon> guys i need help
02.10.49 #       <archtelamon> my rockbox stopped workin today
02.10.51 #       <archtelamon> like
02.10.59 #       <archtelamon> im back at the old operating system
02.11.02 #       <archtelamon> and i dont want it
02.12.34 #       <LinusN> what happened?
02.12.47 #       <archtelamon> well
02.12.49 #       <archtelamon> lets see
02.12.53 #       <archtelamon> last night it was workin
02.12.57 #       <archtelamon> then today at 4:30
02.13.00 #       <archtelamon> i turned it on
02.13.07 #       <archtelamon> and it was back at old operating system
02.13.10 #       <archtelamon> so i went home
02.13.12 #       <archtelamon> recharged it
02.13.29 #       <archtelamon> then deleted ajbrec.abz(watever) and .rockbox
02.13.33 #       <archtelamon> unmounted it
02.13.36 #       <archtelamon> rebooted
02.13.45 #       <archtelamon> then mounted it and reloaded it
02.13.51 #       <archtelamon> and it didnt go on
02.14.08 #       <archtelamon> so im back at operating system
02.14.21 #       <LinusN> windows or linux?
02.14.44 #       <archtelamon> windows
02.14.55 #       <LinusN> ok have you tried scandisk?
02.14.55 #       <archtelamon> on the Archos im back at OS
02.14.58 #       <archtelamon> no no no
02.15.01 #       <archtelamon> on the Archos
02.15.07 #       <archtelamon> not computer
02.15.11 #       <archtelamon> sorry
02.15.18 #       <archtelamon> <- technically inept
02.15.26 #       <LinusN> ok have you tried scandisk?
02.15.58 #       <archtelamon> on the archos? no
02.16.03 #       <LinusN> you should
02.16.07 #       <archtelamon> how
02.16.18 #       <archtelamon> diagnose?
02.16.54 #       <LinusN> then you should read the FAQ, question 66
02.16.57 #       <LinusN> http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/faq.html#66
02.17.06 #       <archtelamon> muchos gracias
02.17.35 #       <LinusN> right click on the archos drive letter, select Properties, then tools (i think)
02.17.57 #       <LinusN> then you have "check for errors" or whatever
02.18.02 #       <LinusN> winxp?
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02.33.32 #       <G16aByT3> you rockbox guys are the best.
02.34.07 #       <G16aByT3> anyone here? awake ?
02.34.27 #       <LinusN> i'm here
02.34.41 #       <LinusN> 2:30am :-)
02.35.11 #       <G16aByT3> guess not.
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02.35.20 #       <LinusN> :-)
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02.48.57 #       <archtelamon> Linus it didnt work
02.49.07 #       <archtelamon> SnooopD
02.49.11 #       <archtelamon> says not enough memory
02.50.19 #       <LinusN> wow
02.50.32 #       <archtelamon> yea
02.50.39 #       <archtelamon> im screwed huh
02.50.41 #       <LinusN> what did scandisk say?
02.50.57 #       <archtelamon> it froze my computer up
02.51.06 #       <LinusN> totally?
02.51.13 #       <archtelamon> yups
02.51.17 #       <archtelamon> im on ME
02.51.26 #       <archtelamon> Windows ME
02.51.26 #       <archtelamon> i hate Bill Gates
02.51.33 #       <LinusN> :-)
02.51.52 #       <LinusN> sounds like you need to reformat the drive
02.52.01 #       <archtelamon> yea
02.52.13 #       <archtelamon> thank god i have it backed up on comp
02.52.14 #       <LinusN> do you have any clue what could have made this?
02.52.15 #       <archtelamon> ok
02.52.18 #       <archtelamon> ill do that
02.52.42 #       <archtelamon> uh
02.52.45 #       <archtelamon> how do i do that?
02.53.10 #       <LinusN> right-click on the drive letter in file explorer, select Format
02.53.21 #       <archtelamon> ok
02.54.13 #       <LinusN> be sure to select Quick format, or it will take ages
03.19.26 #       <LinusN> gotta sleep
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03.19.28 #       <LinusN> nite
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03.27.05 #       <midknight2k3> It's me!
03.27.29 #       <midknight2k3> Zakk1
03.28.25 #       <midknight2k3> Just wanted to say how excellent Rockbox is
03.36.34 #       <midknight2k3> Do you remember me?
03.38.16 #       <PsycoXul> heh hi
03.42.48 #       <midknight2k3> Oh so you DO remember me
03.43.11 #       <PsycoXul> no i don't, your name waz kaz2 or something? :p
03.47.17 #       <midknight2k3> zakk1
03.47.40 #       <midknight2k3> The skepticalism about it and the HD pass lock remmeber?
03.48.30 #       <PsycoXul> yes of course i remember, i was kidding :p
03.48.36 #       <PsycoXul> i can still see you saying
03.48.39 #       <PsycoXul> 18:30 < midknight2k3> Zakk1
03.48.41 #       <PsycoXul> on the screen
03.48.41 #       <PsycoXul> heh
03.48.53 #       <midknight2k3> But
03.48.59 #       <midknight2k3> I meant do you remember me from last night
03.49.11 #       <PsycoXul> heh
03.49.15 #       <PsycoXul> yes, damnit :p
03.50.22 #       <midknight2k3> Oh well sorry you don't have to get up and say the 'damn' word god, why are you being this way? No, don't!! WHY ARE YOU SO MEAN NOW???
03.50.31 #       <PsycoXul> hehe :p
03.50.47 #       <PsycoXul> are you high?
03.50.55 #       <midknight2k3> No, I'm 13
03.51.04 #       <PsycoXul> are you really?
03.51.12 #       <midknight2k3> Yes, wh?y
03.51.17 #       <PsycoXul> ah ok
03.51.30 #       <midknight2k3> No relaly why?
03.51.31 #       <PsycoXul> didn't know
03.52.25 #       <PsycoXul> anyway, why wouldn't i remember you from last night heh
03.52.31 #       <midknight2k3> Ther's no law against a 13 year old illegally upgrading the Archos firmware and being in a chat room is there?
03.52.46 #       <PsycoXul> this is irc, not television.. our memories are a bit longer here :p
03.53.00 #       <midknight2k3> Uh?
03.53.05 #       <midknight2k3> anyways....
03.53.08 #       <PsycoXul> illegally upgrading the archos firmware?
03.53.14 #       <MT> theres nothing 'illegal' about rockbox, or changing the firmware on a device you own
03.53.14 #       <midknight2k3> You want to see something funny?
03.53.18 #       <midknight2k3> You know what i mean ;)
03.53.23 #       <midknight2k3> I'm kidding
03.53.30 #       <midknight2k3> I mean, warranty-voidable-ing
03.53.30 #       <PsycoXul> archos actualy plans on shipping recorders with rockbox last i heard...
03.53.32 #       <MT> the only way it could possibly be illegal is if it circumvented copy protection
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03.53.41 #       <MT> it doesnt void warranty either
03.53.49 #       <midknight2k3> No?
03.53.49 #       <PsycoXul> or was that studios, i forget
03.54.04 #       <midknight2k3> Anyways, cheer up want to see something funny?
03.54.09 #       <PsycoXul> hehe
03.54.24 #       <MT> cracking it open and desoldering the boards to see how it works however, does
03.54.33 #       <midknight2k3> http://www.weckstrom.com - first blog entry, click picture it's hilarious
03.55.48 #       <ScottE> That's cool...
03.56.02 #       <PsycoXul> heh
03.56.09 #       <midknight2k3> Looks tricked
03.56.24 #       <midknight2k3> The clean new Camry or whatever, then the icy old thing
04.00.29 #       <PsycoXul> bbl dinner
04.01.15 #       <midknight2k3> OF COURSE
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04.05.02 #       <darkalfie> heya, anyone around tat can help me out with my ajr20gb ?
04.05.20 #       <darkalfie> having this problem of not being able to boot it up.
04.05.42 #       <darkalfie> i switched it on, i get the archos logo, version 1.28 os, etc.. 2 black boxes (and a bunch of white ones)
04.05.47 #       <darkalfie> and the unit auto-switches off :(
04.05.47 #       <midknight2k3> Yeah
04.05.55 #       <darkalfie> i took out the batteries, tested them all. 1.2v
04.05.56 #       <midknight2k3> The batteries
04.05.59 #       <midknight2k3> Try charging it
04.06.16 #       <darkalfie> i plugged in charger, nothing came up. i tried to on it with charger plugged it, same thing
04.06.31 #       <darkalfie> it felts like battery low (coz i can hear the hdd power up and the unit goes off)
04.06.34 #       <midknight2k3> Huh
04.06.51 #       <darkalfie> but the batteries were tested (with a voltmeter) at 1.2v each.. i had charged it full the nite b4
04.07.03 #       <midknight2k3> Yes exactly
04.07.07 #       <midknight2k3> That's what happened to me
04.07.13 #       <midknight2k3> It charged overnite
04.07.19 #       <midknight2k3> It was dead in the morning
04.07.20 #       <darkalfie> yeah.
04.07.28 #       <darkalfie> lol.. ok.. so its just dead batteries ?
04.07.28 #       <midknight2k3> Charger worked for me tho
04.07.33 #       <ScottE> darkalfie: Hold the ON button down until the 2nd box appears.
04.07.44 #       <midknight2k3> I guess 2.0 just has battery issues
04.07.49 #       <midknight2k3> 2.0=dailybuilds
04.08.28 #       <darkalfie> ScottE: same problem :(
04.08.44 #       <darkalfie> when it switches on, i see OS Version 1.28, and then it goes off
04.09.17 #       <ScottE> Hmmm..
04.09.26 #       <midknight2k3> You using Rockbox 1.4 or dailybuild 2.0?
04.09.39 #       <darkalfie> dailybuilds
04.09.45 #       <midknight2k3> Try 1.4
04.09.52 #       <darkalfie> ok.. 
04.09.55 #       <midknight2k3> Put in some plain AA batteries
04.09.59 #       <darkalfie> problem is how to get 1.4 in when i cant boot it
04.09.59 #       <midknight2k3> USB plug
04.10.04 #       <midknight2k3> Delete the .ajz file
04.10.09 #       <darkalfie> it works with AA ? i tot AA was 1.5v ?
04.10.12 #       <midknight2k3> Put in RB 1.4F
04.10.16 #       <midknight2k3> Oh wait
04.10.23 #       <midknight2k3> Umm it might
04.10.28 #       <midknight2k3> Charger don't work?
04.10.32 #       <darkalfie> nope
04.10.45 #       <midknight2k3> It must be dead
04.10.49 #       <darkalfie> charger or no charger, the thing refuses to go pass 2nd box 
04.11.00 #       <darkalfie> It = ? unit ? battery ?
04.11.07 #       <midknight2k3> charger
04.11.25 #       <midknight2k3> ScottE - it safe to try AA's in the unit, temporarily?
04.11.34 #       <ScottE> What about if you rename the ajz file and try to boot with factory firmware?
04.11.43 #       <midknight2k3> I said just delete it
04.11.47 #       <darkalfie> ScottE: cant boot into it at all :(
04.11.49 #       <midknight2k3> But it won't bottup so thats impossible
04.11.56 #       <ScottE> Sorry midknight2k3 - didn't see that
04.12.03 #       <midknight2k3> Tis ok
04.12.08 #       <ScottE> Not sure on trying normal AA batts....
04.12.17 #       <midknight2k3> Even just for a minute??
04.13.01 #       <midknight2k3> brb - darkalfie, stay here in chat ok
04.13.04 #       <ScottE> It won't even come up in USB mode?
04.13.07 #       <midknight2k3> I will be in about 5 minutes
04.13.15 #       <darkalfie> sure
04.13.17 #       <darkalfie> will be her
04.13.36 #       <darkalfie> let me try usb again
04.13.57 #       <ScottE> ok
04.17.51 #       <darkalfie> nope. no luck
04.17.55 #       <darkalfie> unit refuses to boot up 
04.18.00 #       <darkalfie> 2black boxes and offs
04.18.11 #       <darkalfie> (btw, wat stage is 2 black box at ? loading the updated firmware?)
04.18.20 #       <midknight2k3> No
04.18.29 #       <midknight2k3> Turning on HDD to find firmware, if any
04.18.37 #       <midknight2k3> HD Bootup to load player
04.19.04 #       <ScottE> Ah... good hint in there midknight2k3 - darkalfie, does the HD spin up at the 2nd box?
04.20.08 #       <darkalfie> i hear it powerup
04.20.11 #       <darkalfie> then after it powersup
04.20.13 #       <darkalfie> it goes off
04.20.16 #       <midknight2k3> dies
04.20.23 #       <midknight2k3> Best bet:
04.20.27 #       <darkalfie> (this hard disk is soo much quieter then my laptop and i have to put to my ear. lol)
04.20.30 #       <midknight2k3> Find a similar power supply
04.21.04 #       <PsycoXul> normal AA's won't work
04.21.04 #       <ScottE> Good idea...
04.21.15 #       <PsycoXul> they don't have the current
04.21.24 #       <midknight2k3> uhuh
04.22.14 #       <ScottE> darkalfie: Do you have another set of NiMH AA's to try? That would be another good test
04.22.20 #       <darkalfie> nope :(
04.22.24 #       <darkalfie> i might get a set later
04.22.32 #       <darkalfie> was gonna replace these 1500mah ones to 2000mah
04.23.13 #       <ScottE> They are generally useful... We use them around here in everything electronic - GPS, CD players, the kids game boy, etc
04.23.30 #       <darkalfie> yeah
04.23.38 #       <darkalfie> i have 2 for my gameboy. lol.. but only 2
04.23.39 #       <ScottE> A good feeling to not spend money on batteries that have to be thrown away :)
04.24.04 #       <ScottE> only 2... heh...
04.24.08 #       <darkalfie> not worried bout batteries, more for my jukeboox :P
04.24.35 #       <ScottE> Yep, but at least if it's just the batteries (or charger) it's easy and cheap to fix.
04.25.01 #       <darkalfie> my charger is working fine i think, just tested it, its giving out a nice 10+v. maybe its my regulator in the jukebox
04.25.10 #       <ScottE> (And I know you tested them, but still worth a try)
04.25.15 #       <darkalfie> oh yar, if its my jukebox, i gotta send it back to USA ! i live in Singapore (asia)
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04.25.33 #       <midknight2k3> Before you send it back
04.25.39 #       <midknight2k3> Do all you can to get the firmware off it
04.25.46 #       <darkalfie> np.
04.25.52 #       <midknight2k3> They'll say "Oh you modified it we can't touch it now"
04.25.53 #       <ScottE> Hey! That's not fair! They are made closer to you than the US!
04.26.00 #       <ScottE> :-)
04.26.00 #       <darkalfie> lol. yeah true
04.26.01 #       <darkalfie> hahaa
04.26.10 #       <darkalfie> but its dumb and it goes to US, then taiwan/china/etc
04.26.22 #       <darkalfie> reminds me of my jornada720...
04.26.28 #       <darkalfie> i bought it from US, cheaper then wat i get locally
04.26.29 #       <midknight2k3> Sticker on back reads: "MADE IN CHINA"
04.26.35 #       <darkalfie> and when i opened it.. it said "MADE IN SINGAPORE"
04.26.46 #       <ScottE> hahaha...LOL
04.26.49 #       <darkalfie> i was like "!@#" its made locally but it costs more ! 
04.27.24 #       <darkalfie> gonnna take a walk to the electronic store near my office.. thanks for the help guys :)
04.27.35 #       <darkalfie> brb.. the usb thingie kinda killed my usb port. lol need to reboot
04.27.41 #       <midknight2k3> No problem
04.27.42 #       <ScottE> Good luck!
04.27.47 #       <midknight2k3> Come back soon
04.27.53 #       <darkalfie> thanks :)
04.27.59 #       <ScottE> I hope it's not a major failure
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04.28.17 #       <midknight2k3> The finger might be pointed at you Scott lol ;)
04.28.30 #       <ScottE> Nooooo!
04.28.31 #       <midknight2k3> Not you but rockbox
04.28.39 #       <midknight2k3> just kidding
04.30.25 #       <ScottE> I think I'm safe... 
04.30.52 #       <ScottE> I'm just a user too. :-)
04.34.21 #       <midknight2k3> Oh really
04.35.27 #       <midknight2k3> For some reason you seem like a Rockbox crew guy
04.35.31 #       <ScottE> Nope!
04.35.45 #       <MT> everyone is a user brother!
04.35.58 #       <midknight2k3> Scott lol seems like a 'rockbox guy' name
04.36.31 #       <ScottE> I've actually only had my unit for 4 days... So I'm pretty far from being part of the crew, I think!
04.37.10 #       <midknight2k3> Her-Her
04.37.11 #       <midknight2k3> :)
04.37.17 #       <ScottE> Although I did already know about rockbox long before - IN fact I put rockbox on there before I even transferred a single mp3 file to it
04.37.33 #       <midknight2k3> Cool
04.37.42 #       <midknight2k3> Recorder, Studio, FM recordeR?
04.37.55 #       <ScottE> Even had a WPS file all ready to go... Guess I am a geek. :)
04.38.00 #       <ScottE> A recorder 20GB...
04.38.18 #       <midknight2k3> Made your own WPS?
04.38.49 #       <ScottE> WPS template for while playing screen - the one you can customize
04.39.19 #       <midknight2k3> Cool
04.39.22 #       <midknight2k3> I want to!
04.39.30 #       <ScottE> With some work, it's possible to pack a lot more info on there. Cool stuff.
04.40.24 #       <midknight2k3> I feel like such a idiot, but
04.40.27 #       <midknight2k3> How do you?
04.40.40 #       <midknight2k3> general info, at rockbox,haxx.se?
04.40.44 #       <ScottE> It's actually pretty well documented under the document link on the rockbox site
04.41.02 #       <ScottE> But all you do is make a .wps file in a text editor, then save it to .rockbox.
04.41.21 #       <ScottE> Boot the unit, and then 'play' your .wps file, and then that will become the default
04.41.40 #       <ScottE> And you can look at some samples in your .rockbox dir (that came with 1.4)
04.42.04 #       <ScottE> I think they should put up some more samples on the site though...
04.43.00 #       <midknight2k3> Yeaj might be neat
04.50.41 #       <ScottE> I have to go.... Bye
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05.01.36 #       <midknight2k3> You all DEAD?
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05.03.03 #       <midknight2k3> Hey
05.03.07 #       <darkalfie> heya :)
05.03.12 #       <darkalfie> good news, i got it working.. 
05.03.17 #       <darkalfie> it was the charger (batteries are ok)
05.03.21 #       <midknight2k3> Excelletn!
05.03.21 #       <darkalfie> i got a new ac-dc adapter
05.03.29 #       <midknight2k3> I expected
05.03.34 #       <midknight2k3> Thats god
05.03.36 #       <darkalfie> coz the old one was a 110v (i had to use a transformer)
05.03.46 #       <darkalfie> yup :) i can go back to playing around with rockbox..
05.03.53 #       <darkalfie> been wanting to add a new personal feature in
05.03.55 #       <midknight2k3> It's col
05.03.57 #       <darkalfie> symbolic links :)
05.04.03 #       <midknight2k3> God Im tryping bad
05.04.30 #       <midknight2k3> Is it on rightnow?
05.04.34 #       <darkalfie> yup
05.04.40 #       <MT> how are you planning to do it darkalfie?
05.04.42 #       <darkalfie> charging.. 
05.04.52 #       <darkalfie> MT: either support window's .lnk files, or create my own
05.04.52 #       <midknight2k3> Try 'wormbit'
05.05.10 #       <darkalfie> i'll most prob use .lnk files if i can find the file format
05.05.11 #       <MT> i ahd a look at windows .lnk format, its nasty
05.05.12 #       <midknight2k3> I like that game
05.05.26 #       <darkalfie> midknight2k3: buttons on the ajr are a bit clunky, was testing out tetris the nite b4.
05.05.37 #       <midknight2k3> wormbit's AWESOME
05.05.49 #       <MT> darkalfie: if you search through the mail archive, someone sent a link of the file format
05.05.51 #       <darkalfie> will play it more later :)
05.05.53 #       <midknight2k3> I like it it's like snake on a cell phone but better
05.05.56 #       <darkalfie> MT: cool, will dig thru it
05.06.02 #       <midknight2k3> You know, simple but fun
05.06.08 #       <darkalfie> simple is good
05.06.13 #       <darkalfie> someone should write pong.
05.06.14 #       <midknight2k3> fun is fun
05.06.48 #       <midknight2k3> A 'Snake 2' game would be ok
05.07.15 #       <midknight2k3> lol Look at us squabbling over games when they'r working out bugs and making firmware
05.07.39 #       <darkalfie> hahaaa
05.07.55 #       <midknight2k3> Glad you got that problem worked out though
05.08.45 #       <darkalfie> yeap..
05.08.57 #       <darkalfie> now to keep it away from my gf. lol
05.09.04 #       <midknight2k3> Oh boy
05.09.25 #       <darkalfie> :P
05.09.30 #       <midknight2k3> But under 'Demos' snows and cube are pretty cool
05.09.36 #       <darkalfie> snows is fun
05.09.42 #       <darkalfie> they should put snows + filename together
05.09.51 #       <darkalfie> i.e. mini-screesaver while playing
05.10.01 #       <midknight2k3> cool if it was configurable
05.10.08 #       <darkalfie> matter of time :) 
05.10.14 #       <darkalfie> i'll wait for them to fix most of the bugs first..
05.10.14 #       <midknight2k3> Oh oh!
05.10.17 #       <darkalfie> i guess i should stick to 1.4
05.10.22 #       <darkalfie> rather then daily builds
05.10.48 #       <midknight2k3> TTGH
05.10.58 #       <midknight2k3> oops
05.11.30 #       <midknight2k3> THEY should make it so it snows the filename letters
05.13.05 #       <darkalfie> woo. good idea !
05.13.09 #       <darkalfie> woops, brb. reboot again.
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05.25.12 #       <midknight2k3> hello
05.28.48 #       <darkalfie> heya
05.29.54 #       <midknight2k3> ROCKBOX"S PRETTY COOL EH?
05.30.00 #       <midknight2k3> what the?
05.30.14 #       <midknight2k3> my caps lock key is messing up
05.30.24 #       <darkalfie> so was ur typing
05.30.45 #       <midknight2k3> what?
05.30.49 #       <PsycoXul> that looks like a stuck shift key
05.31.09 #       <PsycoXul> capslock doesn't do "
05.31.11 #       <PsycoXul> :p
05.31.35 #       <darkalfie> i'm looking for info on how to configure the screen info when mp3s are playing
05.31.43 #       <midknight2k3> yeah some run in with stikcykeys
05.32.05 #       <darkalfie> oh. found it..
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05.44.18 #       <midknight2k3> making a WPS?
05.48.47 #       <midknight2k3> dark alfie?
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05.59.19 #       <corpcow> hello all :) anyone alive?
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07.12.43 #       <gronse3> Hello?
07.14.32 #       <gronse3> which file allows for whole disk random play on the recorder
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08.14.37 #       <Zagor> any fm owner here?
08.18.58 #       <Zagor> I'd like bug #701356 verified
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08.39.32 #       <matsl> Zagor: Good morning!
08.39.35 #       <Zagor> hi
08.40.16 #       <matsl> How's the release going. Linus said yesterday we were waiting for him.
08.42.10 #       <Zagor> yeah. it's about time to refreeze soon
08.42.24 #       <Zagor> we need to test his code a bit more, but that's about it
08.42.59 #       <matsl> ok. so the best I can do at the moment is to test then.
08.44.16 #       <Zagor> yes
08.44.29 #       <matsl> :-(
08.44.38 #       <Zagor> possibly think about how the player keyboard can get cursor movement, like we just added for recorder yesterday
08.45.31 #       <matsl> it already has, but i don't know how the recorder keyboard works
08.46.30 #       <Zagor> can it move, so you can add/del characters in the middle of the string?
08.46.35 #       <matsl> jupp
08.46.40 #       <Zagor> ok, good
08.46.59 #       <Zagor> we need good docs for the keyboards
08.47.05 #       <matsl> ahh...
08.48.02 #       <matsl> what struck me as a problem is that the cursor initially is at the beginning of the string. Maybe it should be at the end when you start editing.
08.48.16 #       <Zagor> yes. the recorder keyboard puts it at the end
08.48.36 #       <Zagor> i think that's better
08.49.18 #       <matsl> Well with the cfg-file writer it would be better since the beginning isn't interesting.
08.50.15 #       <Zagor> exactly. I think rename is also more interesting in the end than the beginning
08.50.34 #       <alfieAWAY> quick qn: how long does an empty AJR20gb take to charge to full ?
08.50.53 #       <matsl> Maybe each app should be able to select. But the end is a good default. I'll look into it.
08.51.26 #       <Zagor> alfieAWAY: depends on your charger. stock charger, I'd say 8-12 hours
08.53.16 #       <adi|home> zagor.. i ment to ask.. are we for or against the full line cursor approach...
08.53.45 #       <adi|home> i remember you saying something about it being too slow.. im just not 100% sure if i remember correctly
08.53.59 #       <Zagor> I'm for it if performance is acceptable
08.54.11 #       <adi|home> nods
08.55.03 #       <Zagor> joaquim "cheated" a bit by assuming 8-bit high characters, so that's not a valid test case
08.55.24 #       <Zagor> however I guess if the implementation is elegant enough, we could have it configurable. "fast" or "pretty" :-)
08.57.18 #       <Zagor> it will be 2.1 though
09.01.29 #       <adi|home> i agree :)
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09.13.07 #       <Bagder> 'ello all you good people
09.13.35 #       <Zagor> hi bagder. i'll be needing that cvs change list again.
09.13.48 >>>     "expadd 2.0=The upcoming release. Don't ask when it comes, it'll come when its ready." by Bagder (~dast@neptunus.contactor.se)
09.13.58 >>>     "pass" used by Bagder (~dast@neptunus.contactor.se) [snoop prevented]
09.14.11 #       <Bagder> right
09.14.17 #       <Bagder> I'll dig around
09.14.30 >>>     "sview" by Bagder (~dast@neptunus.contactor.se)
09.14.47 #       <Bagder> Zagor: can you add this hostmask to my user on logbot?
09.15.11 #       <Zagor> ok
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09.15.31 >>>     "help" by Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se)
09.15.35 >>>     "cmd" by Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se)
09.15.54 >>>     "help usermod" by Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se)
09.16.20 >>>     "usermod bagder -P -" by Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se)
09.16.44 >>>     "sview bagder" by Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se)
09.17.16 >>>     "usermod bagder -P Bagder!~dast@*.contactor.se" by Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se)
09.17.23 >>>     "sview zagor" by Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se)
09.17.23 #       <adi|home> what i miss?
09.17.35 #       <adi|home> about the change logs?
09.19.10 >>>     "usermod -P - bagder" by Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se)
09.19.15 >>>     "sview bagder" by Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se)
09.19.25 >>>     "sview" by Bagder (~dast@neptunus.contactor.se)
09.19.38 >>>     "expadd 2.0=The upcoming release. Don't ask when it comes, it'll come when its ready." by Bagder (~dast@neptunus.contactor.se)
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09.20.03 #       <Zagor> i need the logs since 1.4 to put together 2.0 release notes
09.20.30 >>>     "expadd 2.0=The upcoming release. Don't ask when it comes, it'll come when its ready." by Bagder (~dast@neptunus.contactor.se)
09.20.32 #       <Schnueff> moin
09.20.40 #>>     "explan 2.0 for us now please?" by Bagder (~dast@neptunus.contactor.se)
09.20.45 #>>     "explain 2.0 for us now please?" by Bagder (~dast@neptunus.contactor.se)
09.20.55 #       <Bagder> ah, thanks
09.21.09 #       <Zagor> min Schnueff
09.21.14 #       <Zagor> moin even :-)
09.21.20 #       <Schnueff> logbot explain min for us now please?
09.21.25 #       <Schnueff> *sigh*
09.21.26 #       <Schnueff> :)
09.21.54 #       <dwihno> logbot explain starka sĺsen for us now please?
09.22.01 #       <dwihno> :-(
09.22.41 #       <Schnueff> logbot explain 1.4 for us now please?
09.22.52 #       <Schnueff> hm doesnt know much
09.23.55 #       <Bagder> and he doesn't speak in public when mere mortals address him ;-)
09.24.03 #       <Schnueff> good idea :)
09.24.07 #       <Schnueff> shybot
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09.25.36 #       <quelsaruk> buenos dia
09.25.39 #       <quelsaruk> dias
09.25.40 #       <quelsaruk> :P
09.26.03 #       <Bagder> hi
09.26.46 #       <Bagder> hm
09.26.52 #       <Bagder> my allcommits script is stupid
09.27.23 #       <Zagor> matsl, or someone, can you merge the danish lang update? http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=648417&group_id=44306&atid=439120
09.27.30 #       <Zagor> or wait, i'll do it
09.31.21 #       <quelsaruk> Zagor: you'll get espanol.lang in 15 minutes..
09.31.22 #       <quelsaruk> i hope
09.31.59 #       <Zagor> ok
09.34.32 #       <Bagder> Zagor: cvs -Q log -d "2002-10-11<now" > dump
09.34.51 #       <Bagder> my script seems to bug quite a bit and I don't have time atm to fix it
09.35.00 #       <Zagor> ok
09.37.24 #       <Bagder> kjell and I are off to demo our webapp for sll this afternoon
09.38.55 #       <dwihno> baila, quel!
09.39.00 #       <dwihno> sll?
09.39.16 #       <Bagder> stockholm läns landsting
09.39.25 #       <Zagor> cool
09.39.40 #       <dwihno> Yay! :D
09.39.43 #       <dwihno> Webapps for all!
09.40.40 #       <Zagor> how many days did it take?
09.40.57 #       <Bagder> 3.5 days to a fully working version, but now we're adjusting it slightly
09.41.05 #       <Bagder> so we're on ~5 work days
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09.43.17 #       <Zagor> lazy bums! ;)
09.48.02 #       <adi|home> do we have a strtok at our disposal?
09.48.08 #       <Bagder> yeps
09.48.09 #       <Bagder> strtok_r
09.48.14 #       <adi|home> cool. thanks
09.57.41 #       <quelsaruk> great.. spanish hasn't got a meaning for fade :(
10.01.51 #       <quelsaruk> um...
10.02.37 #       <quelsaruk> why stereo narrow has 2 strings (one for player and one for recorder), while stereo wide has just one? 
10.04.12 #       <quelsaruk> i suppose that the person that made it saw that "stereo wide" fitted in both player and recorder, but maybe the complete translation doesn't fit the player (and need a shorter translation, like stereo narrow)
10.15.15 #       * quelsaruk is talking to the wall
10.15.25 #       <quelsaruk> hi wall! how are you today? 
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10.24.45 #       <quelsaruk> then i will talk to my goats, my precious goats...
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10.25.50 #>>     "explain quelsaruk" by Bagder (~dast@neptunus.contactor.se)
10.26.29 #       <quelsaruk> i will have to copyright my life ;)
10.26.51 #       <quelsaruk> Bagder: did you read what i said about stereo narrow and wide?
10.27.00 #       <Bagder> yes
10.27.25 #       <quelsaruk> don't you think there sould also be a LANG_STEREO_WIDE_PLAYER ? 
10.27.29 #       <quelsaruk> i use recorder
10.27.38 #       <Bagder> possibly, I haven't given it any thoughts
10.28.14 #       <quelsaruk> of course, just an idea
10.29.00 #       <quelsaruk> one of my neurons activated while i was translating new strings, and told me "hey! this may be a little error"
10.29.44 #       <matsl> quelsaruk: You were talking about translations (Player, Recorder) I guess we need to go over this at times. Some have specific player translations but the text scrolls on the player so it isn't really needed. Others have only one but where the text doesn't scroll. etc. There is no info about this in the .lang-file thus it is hard to get right.
10.30.16 #       <Schnueff> maybe a function which heuristically abbreviates words in any language would be cool :)
10.31.01 #       <quelsaruk> matsl: of course, i just had this thought as stereo narrow has a player and a recorder string
10.31.09 #       <quelsaruk> :)
10.31.23 #       <quelsaruk> as i don't have a player i don't know if that string scrolls or not
10.31.30 #       <matsl> I know. I saw the same thing when doingsvenska.lang.
10.31.52 #       <matsl> I have a player and even I don't know until I have tested it. ;-)
10.32.14 #       <quelsaruk> :)
10.32.42 #       <matsl> If you are clever you might know by examining the code but do translator do that?
10.33.10 #       <quelsaruk> i could examine the code, but i just wanted to make a quick translation
10.34.34 #       <matsl> I do like this. Try to do the best of what is in the .lang file. Then I suggest someone goes over all translations and try to find spots where there might be a problem. Maybe even a script could do it.
10.36.24 #       <quelsaruk> as you may know there are some strings that are different lines of the same phrase, for example "Playlist" and "buffer is full". In spanish you have to swap tranlations to make it coherent. If you read the code, or if you see what happens in your jukebox you can translate that correctly, but if you just translate strings.. you get weird translations 
10.36.25 #       <matsl> unrelated: I try to get automatic connect working with XChat 1.8.10 (RH8.0) but cab
10.36.50 #       <matsl> ... can't get it to work with multiple channels. Anyone know how to do it?
10.37.13 #       <quelsaruk> i use kvirc :)
10.37.33 #       <matsl> quelsaruk: interesting *sigh*
10.37.39 #       <matsl> ;-)
10.38.32 #       <quelsaruk> time for a coffee, or two (really tired)
10.38.39 #       <quelsaruk> cu l8r
10.38.43 #       <matsl> cu
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12.12.05 #       <Bagder> I love mozilla's context search ability
12.13.30 #       <Bagder> YELLOW BUILD!
12.13.47 #       <langhaarrocker> found in context search of mozilla?
12.14.08 #       <Bagder> I'm just rambling random things ;-)
12.14.16 #       <Bagder> I should go eat instead
12.14.44 #       <langhaarrocker> me, too: http://www.dosis.uni-dortmund.de/Mensa/
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12.32.12 #       <Zagor> the build table is behaving oddly. it displays wrong cvs comments for each build.
12.34.39 #       <Zagor> did 1.4 have the peak meter?
12.36.29 #       <Zagor> it did
12.47.09 #       <Bagder> the build table gets a few empty change logs due to the cvs shakiness
12.47.55 #       <Zagor> ok
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12.58.20 #       <dwihno> One of the things new in version 2 is the WPS code cleanup
12.58.24 #       <dwihno> (scroll fixing!)
12.59.30 #       <Zagor> any FM owner here?
13.02.37 #       <Zagor> I'd like to test the RTC wakeup
13.03.22 #       <Zagor> http://rockbox.haxx.se/wakeup_fm.ajz
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13.38.05 #       * quelsaruk needs a word that match fade and another for stereo narrow
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13.38.58 #       <Zagor> quelsaruk: what do you call lamps that fade?
13.39.34 #       <langhaarrocker> dschinni?
13.39.36 #       <Schnueff> lamps
13.39.38 #       <Schnueff> :)
13.40.17 #       <quelsaruk> Zagor: we don't have such a technology ;)
13.40.37 #       <quelsaruk> we use a club or a hammer to turn off lamps :)
13.40.41 #       <langhaarrocker> what about dawn?
13.40.44 #       <Zagor> haha
13.41.25 #       <Schnueff> why bother .. close your eyes and the lamp itself vanishes
13.41.45 #       <quelsaruk> for example, i have a maranzt cd, and has the "fade" option, in spanish manual, they call it fade 
13.42.24 #       <quelsaruk> if a hi-fi company doesn't know how to translate that word....
13.42.40 #       <langhaarrocker> nah, that might be marketing.
13.42.55 #       <quelsaruk> of course...
13.43.17 #       <quelsaruk> also, stereo narrow sounds weird in spanish
13.43.42 #       <langhaarrocker> babelfish.altavista.com says descolórese
13.43.52 #       <quelsaruk> that's for clothes
13.44.17 #       <quelsaruk> when the colour starts to be clearer...
13.44.34 #       <quelsaruk> i don't know how to explain that... but i hope you understand me
13.44.35 #       <quelsaruk> :)
13.44.35 #       <langhaarrocker> like jeans that never die?
13.44.42 #       <quelsaruk> yups :)
13.44.49 #       <quelsaruk> like jeans ;)
13.45.02 #       <quelsaruk> but sound is not a kind of jean
13.45.12 #       <quelsaruk> jeans
13.45.44 #       <quelsaruk> i'm really hungry, time for lunch
13.45.54 #       <quelsaruk> i'll think about this while eating
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13.46.32 #       <langhaarrocker> http://intertran.tranexp.com/ says: extracto
13.47.36 #       <Schnueff> desvanézcase
13.47.37 #       <Schnueff> :)
13.48.18 #       <quel|lunch> when a lamp fades, the light "se desvanece"
13.48.46 #       <quel|lunch> sound can "desvanecerse"
13.48.48 #       <quel|lunch> but..
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13.49.56 #       <langhaarrocker> Bagder can too, it seems
13.50.05 #       <quel|lunch> ;)
13.50.07 #       <quel|lunch> ok
13.50.10 #       <quel|lunch> going home
13.50.13 #       <quel|lunch> cu l8r
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13.56.53 #       <Archo> Hallo
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14.02.19 #       <langhaarrocker> Zagor: do you automatically relogin or is that process not automated yet?
14.02.54 #       <Zagor> it's automated
14.03.36 #       <Zagor> the problem is my connection hangs for a few minutes every now and then. and then the irc server kicks me for not responding.
14.04.15 #       <langhaarrocker> I see
14.13.47 #       <Zagor> today is 4 months since 1.4
14.14.11 #       <Zagor> uh, 5 months...
14.14.49 #       <langhaarrocker> Does that mean we have to wait for another month so that the sub-release-number represents the months since the last release?
14.14.57 #       <Zagor> haha
14.16.47 #       <Zagor> http://rockbox.haxx.se/download/rockbox-2.0-notes.txt
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14.32.26 #       <langhaarrocker> I like the line "- Recording" best. It tastes like understatement. 
14.33.54 #       <Zagor> yeah, that was the idea
14.36.19 #       <langhaarrocker> Will there be a feature bloat like this again? 
14.36.33 #       <Zagor> how do you mean?
14.37.03 #       <Schnueff> s/its'/its/
14.37.20 #       <Schnueff> fine list :)
14.38.33 #       <langhaarrocker> Zagor: Now that there are about all basic features included the headroom for new features shrinks. I feel that future releases won't be able to add as much usability as this.
14.39.04 #       <Zagor> langhaarrocker: with plugins we'll be able to add lots of stuff
14.39.21 #       <Schnueff> maybe 3.0 contains all the nodo's ;)
14.39.25 #       <langhaarrocker> And bindable keys. Maybe next weekend.
14.39.31 #       <Zagor> really?
14.40.15 #       <langhaarrocker> I'll need someones help for makefiles and then I think I can offer something functional as a serious discussion base.
14.40.27 #       <Zagor> btw, I'm thinking of making the ON+PLAY screen a proper menu. how do you feel about that?
14.40.28 #       <Schnueff> btw: plugins which are not meant to run permanently could also take memory from the mp3 buffer, couldnt they?
14.40.58 #       <Zagor> Schnueff: yes, theoretically. but for starterts plugins will use dedicated ram.
14.41.02 #       <Schnueff> k
14.43.14 #       <langhaarrocker> Zagor: concerning menus and quick-screens I think that all this will change with key bindings. The concepts of key bindings and menu bindings are the same.
14.46.22 #       <langhaarrocker> (I assume that you are talking about the on+play in browser mode)
14.51.51 #       <Zagor> yes
14.54.36 #       <langhaarrocker> I like the idea of bundling file operations in a separate menu. It probably would include something like 'create XING header'?
15.05.53 #       <Zagor> yes. and "view in hex editor", and a bunch of other things
15.06.11 #       <Schnueff> heh, u need hex editor on rockbox?
15.06.30 #       <Zagor> everyone needs a hex editor!
15.06.50 #       <langhaarrocker> ok: lets start a vi vs emac vs notepad flame war!
15.06.56 #       <Schnueff> vim!
15.07.03 #       <Schnueff> :)
15.07.42 #       <Schnueff> a frame editor, of course, is needed :)
15.08.33 #       <Hes> http://hackles.org/strips/cartoon284.png
15.08.40 #       <Hes> (slightly relevant to the topic)
15.09.11 #       <Zagor> :-)
15.09.19 #       <Schnueff> heh
15.09.20 #       <Schnueff> http://lanzarotta.tripod.com/images/viman.gif
15.09.34 #       <Schnueff> may fav strip on the topic :)
15.09.37 #       <langhaarrocker> Never saw a "Quork" editor.
15.10.15 #       <dwihno> http://www.hackles.org/strips/cartoon284.png - that's my fav' ;)
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15.43.59 #       <tracktheripper> hi
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16.00.24 #       <Nomad__> just sticking my head in to say Rockbox is extremely nice
16.01.10 #       <langhaarrocker> :)
16.01.23 #       <Nomad__> put it on my studio10 and loving it
16.02.22 #       <Nomad__> not sure I want to try the Hardware mod to install more ram though
16.03.41 #       <langhaarrocker> Usually I'm like geeking with hardware but in this case I don't see the point. I rarely use the jukebox on the road so long that I run out of power.
16.04.18 #       <Nomad__> I use it when riding my motorcycle to work especially
16.04.33 #       <Nomad__> at work sitting on my desk it's fine but on the bike I could use the bigger buffer
16.07.15 #       <Nomad__> woulda been nice if I could jsut stick a 256Meg dimm in it :>
16.07.37 #       <langhaarrocker> There have been thoughts of replacing the hd with a flash module.
16.09.03 #       <ScottE> More buffer RAM would also help with bettery life, since it wouldn't have to spin the HD up so often...
16.09.54 #       <langhaarrocker> I thought that battery life was the main motivation for the 8MB ram mod.
16.10.33 #       <ScottE> I'm sure it was! Any idea what a difference it made?
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16.11.14 #       <|Melkor|> hi
16.11.24 #       <langhaarrocker> I remember that something was in the mailing list - but I forgot the figures.
16.11.43 #       <Nomad__> more ram would be good for both problems actually
16.11.48 #       <|Melkor|> yesterday i've bought my archos jukebox recorder 20 :)
16.11.55 #       <Nomad__> just wish my soldering skills didn't suck so much
16.12.08 #       <langhaarrocker> Melkor: lucky you. I want USB 2, too
16.12.12 #       <|Melkor|> :)
16.12.18 #       <Nomad__> any idea how big of a harddrive you can put in a jukebox studio 10?  (max size?)
16.12.20 #       <|Melkor|> it's fucking fast :PP
16.12.33 #       <langhaarrocker> Nomad: as big as available
16.12.55 #       <ScottE> I want USB2.0 too! I have a recorder 20, but only USB1. :-(
16.12.55 #       <Nomad__> no limit via firmware/hardware for things like cyls, etc?
16.13.03 #       <langhaarrocker> no
16.13.14 #       <Nomad__> I've got a 40gig drive if I can find it from an old laptop
16.13.18 #       <Nomad__> very nice
16.13.58 #       <langhaarrocker> Then hope that it is 9.5 mm high and not 12 mm.
16.14.20 #       <Nomad__> it's from a Vaio so it has a very small profile
16.18.49 #       <ScottE> Ah... There it is... the 8MB mod added about an hour to battery life.
16.19.39 #       <ScottE> But upped intervals between disk access to >7 minutes. That's nice
16.19.54 #       <ScottE> (at 128kbps)
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16.32.14 #       <quelsaruk> re-hi
16.32.25 #       <Schnueff> wb quelsaruk 
16.32.34 #       <langhaarrocker> mäh!
16.35.58 #       <quelsaruk> umm
16.36.13 #       <quelsaruk> i think i found out a bug, or maybe another goat :)
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16.37.03 #       <quelsaruk> if you have fade on, play a file, press pause (it fades) press stop (fades again???) 
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16.37.35 #       <quelsaruk> am i getting even more crazy??
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16.37.57 #       <Schnueff> so paused -> stop should not fade
16.38.03 #       <Schnueff> sounds reasonable
16.38.05 #       <Nomad__> I'm hoping this is a stupid question.  Saturday I ordered a "remote" from archos that'll let me control it while it's in my pocket.  That should work fine with my studio10 and rockbox right?
16.38.31 #       <langhaarrocker> yes
16.38.45 #       <Nomad__> ok, cool
16.38.54 #       <Nomad__> just thought about that
16.39.02 #       <quelsaruk> Schnueff: if you pause, it's logical that it fades, but if you're not listening to anything, why should music fade if you press stop?
16.40.10 #       <Nomad__> wonder if I can find someone who'll buy my Sony Vaio or trade for another Archos
16.40.15 #       <quelsaruk> and second fade increment sound, i mean, if you pause, sound decrement till mute, and if you press stop it increses sound from mute till curent volume
16.40.46 #       <Schnueff> yes, i mean, your 'complaint' sounds reasonable
16.41.26 #       <quelsaruk> i understood you
16.41.42 #       <quelsaruk> but i wanted to explain myself better
16.42.21 #       <langhaarrocker> Quelsaruk: I assume you use the current daily build? I think Zagor said this problem had been fixed somewhen.
16.42.22 #       <quelsaruk> great
16.42.27 #       <quelsaruk> now i can't reproduce the bug
16.42.30 #       <quelsaruk> :(
16.43.28 #       <quelsaruk> seems as my jukebox recogniced now the new build
16.43.35 #       <quelsaruk> or the demon said bye
16.43.37 #       <quelsaruk> :)
16.43.56 #       <langhaarrocker> lucky goat.
16.43.59 #       <Nomad__> Can you increase the timeout on skips or such before giving up?
16.44.40 #       <Schnueff> in the source maybe
16.44.51 #       <Schnueff> Nomad__: did u play around with the 'Anti-skip setting' ?
16.45.13 #       <Nomad__> nope, not yet
16.45.16 #       <Nomad__> didn't see them
16.45.23 #       <Schnueff> this makes the buffer fill earlier
16.45.25 #       <Nomad__> is it in the menu or in the config files?
16.45.34 #       <Schnueff> in the menu
16.45.38 #       <Nomad__> my problem is vibration when riding my motorcycle
16.45.41 #       <Schnueff> (config file should be too)
16.46.00 #       <Nomad__> under general or sound?  not-seeing anti-skip
16.46.03 #       <Schnueff> w8
16.46.24 #       <Nomad__> I'm using the 1.4 from the web page
16.46.26 #       <Schnueff> ah ok
16.46.34 #       <Schnueff> sorry, it's only in the daily builds
16.46.48 #       <Nomad__> any eta before a new release?
16.47.05 #       <langhaarrocker> soon
16.47.16 #       <Schnueff> yeah, something like this
16.47.37 #       <Nomad__> langhaarrocker: heh, define soon.  where I work soon is in the next 6 months :>
16.47.38 #       <langhaarrocker> A feature freeze has been anounced and now it's some time for bug fixes
16.47.59 #       <Nomad__> don't ask how we define "long term planning on production changes"....
16.48.03 #       <quelsaruk> just a stupid question..
16.48.15 #       <Schnueff> and its even the second feature freeze, so chances are really good ;)
16.48.19 #       <quelsaruk> how can you listen to music while riding your motorcycle?
16.48.20 #       <langhaarrocker> I'd assume it's rather a thing of weeks than months
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16.48.45 #       <Bagder> rehi
16.48.49 #       <quelsaruk> re hi Bagder
16.50.21 #       <Nomad__> ok
16.50.29 #       <Nomad__> I may play with compiling my own just for the heck of it.
16.50.35 #       <Nomad__> never done something like that before
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16.50.55 #       <langhaarrocker> you can donwload daily builds if you want to avoid the hassle.
16.51.19 #       <Nomad__> actually just saw that.  very nice
16.51.52 #       <Nomad__> I'm guessing for a "studio 10" I'd want the player mod.  There's a "line in" but no way to record I know of
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16.52.09 #       <quel|portuguese> time to learn another language :)
16.52.12 #       <quel|portuguese> cu l8r
16.52.46 #       <langhaarrocker> quel: how does fade translate to in portuguese?
16.53.05 #       <Schnueff> heh
16.53.09 #       <quel|portuguese> fadinho ;)
16.53.21 #       <quel|portuguese> it's like gallego
16.53.57 #       <Bagder> fadinho, is dwihno fading?
16.54.15 #       <Bagder> "is that" even
16.56.13 #       <Nomad__> langhaarrocker: should I run the "Daily build" at the top of the page or the "target build" below that?
16.57.06 #       <Nomad__> daily looks like source not compiled
16.57.09 #       <Nomad__> so nevermind
16.57.13 #       <langhaarrocker> why not use the "bleeding edge"
16.57.50 #       <Nomad__> the big warning at the bottom :>
16.57.59 #       <Nomad__> why not, I'll give it a try though
16.58.16 #       <langhaarrocker> To be honest: that applies to all daily builds as well.
16.58.25 #       <Nomad__> heh
17.03.14 #       <Nomad__> ok, bleeding edge installed, I'll let you know how the anti-skip works on the bike
17.03.23 #       <langhaarrocker> :)
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17.38.11 #       <Nomad__> ok, I need some Viking art
17.38.38 #       <Nomad__> see if I can find something good to put on my Tank
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19.51.02 #       <quel|portuguese> a esposa do zagor e a cunhada do Bagder
19.51.18 #       <quel|portuguese> (hey! i can speak portuguese, like in matrix ;)
19.51.33 #       <Bagder> :-)
19.51.41 #       * quel|portuguese unplugs himself from the computer
19.52.19 #       <quel|portuguese> well.. that should be é a cunhada do...
19.52.31 #       <quel|portuguese> e == and, é == is
19.53.46 #       <quel|portuguese> how bored must i be to say all these nonsense phrases :)
19.54.32 #       <Schnueff> heh
19.54.49 #       <Schnueff> better translate el fader;)
19.57.18 #       <quel|portuguese> i'll get that translation...
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19.57.20 #       <quel|portuguese> someday
19.57.31 #       <quel|portuguese> ;)
19.57.51 #       <quel|portuguese> ummm
19.58.21 #       <quel|portuguese> does anyone have a suse distro ? 
19.58.31 #       <Bagder> not me
19.58.41 #       <Schnueff> not me
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19.59.18 #       <quel|portuguese> :(
20.00.06 #       <quel|portuguese> i can't get RH running with vmware and someone told me that he was able with suse, but i can't find iso images on the web
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20.04.38 #       <jzoss> Hi all! =)
20.04.53 #       <Bagder> hi
20.04.58 #       <jzoss> Quel: I've worked some with SuSE at work
20.05.18 #       <jzoss> You can't find ISOs, 'cause they want you to buy their distro-package.
20.05.41 #       <jzoss> But you can still get SuSE for free.  You burn off just a base-install, and then FTP-install everything else.  
20.05.46 #       <jzoss> It's a pain, but functional.
20.06.59 #       <quel|portuguese> but all i can get from suse ftp is the strange "demo-cd"
20.07.08 #       <quel|portuguese> that one that runs from the cd
20.07.13 #       <jzoss> Hmmm.. Lemme check.
20.07.22 #       <quel|portuguese> of course :)
20.10.19 #       <jzoss> Ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/current/boot/boot.iso
20.10.22 #       <jzoss> I think is what you want...
20.10.46 #       <quel|portuguese> downloading
20.10.47 #       <jzoss> Or http://www.suse.de/en/private/download/suse_linux/index.html, for reference.
20.10.55 #       <quel|portuguese> thx
20.10.58 #       <jzoss> np
20.14.16 #       <quel|portuguese> i love my i-net conection :)
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20.23.04 #       <loftzon> Hello
20.23.19 #       <Bagder> hi
20.23.39 #       <loftzon> Do you know if there is a mailing list for Archos Multimedia player?
20.23.49 #       <loftzon> All i could find was Rockbox for the recorder and player
20.23.51 #       <Bagder> there's a yahoo group/list, yes
20.24.00 #       <loftzon> groups.yahoo.com ?
20.24.07 #       <loftzon> especially for Archos Multimedia?
20.24.13 #       <Bagder> hang on
20.24.36 #       <quel|portuguese> yahoogroups.com
20.24.45 #       <Bagder> JBMMFirmware
20.24.55 #       <quel|portuguese> i think :)
20.24.57 #       <Bagder> but I figure its mainly the guys wanting to write a new firmware for it
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20.25.17 #       <loftzon> thanks
20.25.54 #       <Bagder> there's also one on funmp3players.com
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20.26.16 #       <loftzon> ah k
20.26.27 #       <loftzon> Do you know if USB 2.0 comes with AJMM ?
20.26.43 #       <Bagder> I don't know
20.26.46 #       <loftzon> i just bought AJMM 20 and connected it to my USB port, but i don't know if it's 1.1 or 2.0 :/
20.27.06 #       <Bagder> transfer data to it
20.27.15 #       <Bagder> fast => 2.0, slow => 1.1 :-)
20.27.34 #       <Bagder> 1.1 is painfully slow for much data
20.27.54 #       <quel|portuguese> Bagder: i have a strange case for an expert technopriest.. i'm not able to understand the problem
20.28.04 #       <loftzon> hmm really?
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20.28.09 #       <loftzon> than mine must be 2.0..
20.28.14 #       <quel|portuguese> i have an external case (similar to dwihno's one)
20.28.24 #       <loftzon> well i'm about 5 - 10 seconds with 100mb file
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20.29.15 #       <quel|portuguese> it's usb 2.0, but if i connect it to an usb 2.0 windows can't detect it. If i connect it to usb 1.1 it works great. :(
20.29.19 #       <tracktheripper> Hi Fellow Rockboxers
20.29.36 #       <quel|portuguese> any idea Bagder?
20.29.38 #       <Bagder> hi track
20.29.48 #       <tracktheripper> hi Badger and Quel
20.29.51 #       <jzoss> hiya
20.30.00 #       <tracktheripper> Im gonna postpone the manual until version 2.0 is finally released
20.30.01 #       <Bagder> quel|portuguese: not really, I'm not the usb guru to talk to. Zagor might have an idea.
20.30.35 #       <quel|portuguese> or linus
20.30.43 #       <quel|portuguese> hi tracktheripper
20.31.00 #       <tracktheripper> Badger did Linus show you my manual I started to work on?
20.31.10 #       <Bagder> nope
20.31.15 #       <Bagder> been busy
20.31.18 #       <tracktheripper> ohh
20.31.25 #       <Bagder> darn work ;-9
20.31.26 #       <quel|portuguese> i have to plug it to my laptop to use the ireware connection so i get fast transfer rate :)
20.31.30 #       <tracktheripper> well Im going to postpone it until version 2.0 is released
20.31.48 #       <tracktheripper> I don't like the idea of writing for daily builds since they can change from time to time
20.32.13 #       <quel|portuguese> why don't yyou start writing it now for version 2.0?
20.32.36 #       <Bagder> 2.0 will be *very* similar to the daily builds of today
20.32.48 #       <Schnueff> apart from bug fixes :)
20.32.55 #       <tracktheripper> because with the Daily Builds they can vary as features are added or removed and they may end up contradicting what I type
20.33.06 #       <quel|portuguese> i mean... AFAIK theres a rockbox freeze, so no new features are added
20.33.06 #       <Schnueff> no, there's a feature freeze again
20.33.13 #       <tracktheripper> so therefore If i wait till version 2.0 I know that its something firm to write for
20.33.16 #       <quel|portuguese> i was faster Schnueff ;)
20.33.20 #       <Schnueff> bah
20.33.22 #       <Schnueff> ;]
20.33.27 #       <quel|portuguese> 1 second
20.33.34 #       <quel|portuguese> spanish guys are faster
20.33.35 #       <Schnueff> but u didn't change windows in between ;]
20.33.42 #       <quel|portuguese> bah...
20.33.44 #       <Bagder> hahaha
20.33.44 #       <loftzon> If i have USB 2.0 it goes in at the bottom of the AJMM? 
20.34.00 #       <Bagder> I wouldn't know
20.34.00 #       <tracktheripper> but its not to say Ive forgotton im gonna carry on researching the features and wait for version 2, which enables me to write someting more consice
20.34.03 #       <tracktheripper> concise
20.37.57 #       <tracktheripper> you think an FM recorder is bad with propriety batteries buy a Creative Labs Zen
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20.41.40 #       <Bagder> time to go
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21.19.19 #       <tracktheripper> erm, who has written the software FM tuner for the plain Recorders?
21.19.20 #       <tracktheripper> heehee:-)
21.19.35 #       <barka`coding> huh/
21.20.15 #       <tracktheripper> lol someone sent that as a Feature Request sometime ago
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21.20.54 #       <tracktheripper> surprised it hasnt been rejected
21.20.55 #       <tracktheripper> heehee
21.21.04 #       <tracktheripper> so in that case it should be possible :-P
21.25.34 #       <quelsaruk> bye
21.25.36 #       <quelsaruk> cu tomorrow
21.25.46 #       <tracktheripper> cu
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22.16.54 #       <nikkelitous> 2.0 feature freeze.  Really exciting.
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23.02.39 #       <randomnick> hello folks..
23.02.41 #       <randomnick> i've encountered an unusual error message:
23.02.42 #       <randomnick> "I04:IllInstr
23.02.44 #       <randomnick> at 00000000"
23.02.45 #       <randomnick> while playing a particular MP3 file on most recent daily.. anyone seen this?
23.03.11 #       <randomnick> fmrec btw
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23.08.45 #       <larry_llama> i have a question.. is there anybody out there?
23.09.41 #       <randomnick> hello ll
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23.12.02 #       <nikkelitous> they are all here but none of them are paying much attention.
23.12.12 #       <nikkelitous> Rockbox is in a 2.0 feature freeze.
23.12.24 #       <nikkelitous> Everyone is out testing Rockbox for bugs.
23.12.38 #       <nikkelitous> So that they can make 2.0 bug free.
23.14.12 #       <nikkelitous> If you wanna ask your questions I will try to help.  I can't help with the bugs but I may be able to help with info.
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23.15.08 #       <randomnick> nikkelitous, does that I04:IllInstr msg ring a bell?
23.15.14 #       <nikkelitous> Not a clue
23.15.28 #       <larry_llama> awesoem
23.15.33 #       <nikkelitous> Sorry.  I haven't done much in the code.
23.15.47 #       <larry_llama> i am just curious about mp3 recording on the juke10 and 20
23.15.50 #       <nikkelitous> All the coders are busy debugging.
23.16.06 #       <Ryono> Has anyone out there had any trouble with their archos's hard drive not spinning up?
23.16.11 #       <nikkelitous> The players aren't capable of recording because the recording is done in hardware.
23.16.38 #       <larry_llama> i mean the jukebox recorder 10 and the jukebox recorder 20
23.16.46 #       <nikkelitous> Oh ok.
23.16.48 #       <nikkelitous> Shoot.
23.16.50 #       <randomnick> ryono: have not seen that
23.17.10 #       <nikkelitous> If your hard-drive isn't spinning up you might have a bad hard-drive.  See if you can mount it on your computer.  If it wont work I suggest you call Archos for repair.
23.17.22 #       <larry_llama> the FAQ says it's not implemented, but other places on the site say it has been.. just curious if it's working in rockbox, and what bitrates are supported?
23.17.51 #       <Ryono> I should take it right out and directly hook it up to my pc?
23.17.55 #       <nikkelitous> It is working but it is in the daily builds.  It is still buggy and is being tested right now.
23.18.15 #       <nikkelitous> It will be in the 2.0 release which should happen within a few days.
23.18.28 #       <nikkelitous> Ryono: Is it a new one?
23.18.51 #       <larry_llama> i'm looking to replace my ageing minidisc recorder, and i do a lot of live recordings with electret mics with an external batterybox.. so i dont need a powered mic jack, just a line in. this seems like a good replcement
23.19.42 #       <nikkelitous> The Archos recorder supports recording in MP3.  It is all done in hardware so Rockbox can support it.  It is done in VBR.  It can't support CBR.
23.20.25 #       <Ryono> It's under a year old. One day I tried to start it and the hard drive won't spin up. Yes the batteries are charged, and it makes this funny clicking noise.
23.21.03 #       <nikkelitous> It sounds like the drive is bad.
23.21.31 #       <nikkelitous> I would suggest trying to hook it up to your PC and seeing if it works there.
23.22.32 #       <Ryono> Any hints on how to do that without voiding my warranty? I'd love to be able to send it in if it really is busted.
23.22.42 #       <Ryono> But I'd also like the chance to back up everything first.
23.22.58 #       <larry_llama> cool thanks nikk.. do you know offhand what the max bitrate is? I have read both 160 and 192.. Maybe though the Nomad juke 3 is better cause it does direct to WAV i think
23.23.13 #       <nikkelitous> I dunno.
23.23.26 #       <nikkelitous> I think that it averages at 160 but I don
23.23.35 #       <larry_llama> cool thanks
23.23.49 #       <nikkelitous> I think the max is >300
23.23.53 #       <nikkelitous> But I'm not sure.
23.23.54 #       <larry_llama> it can decode CBR right? i can listen to VBR and CBR, but cant record cbr
23.23.59 #       <nikkelitous> I don't have a recorder.
23.24.12 #       <larry_llama> ok thats cool
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23.24.17 #       <nikkelitous> It is done is hardware.  The encoder doesn't allow you to set it.
23.24.21 #       <Ryono> Anyways, thanks nikkelitous.
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23.25.04 #       <larry_llama> awesome, well the recorder10 seems to be going for a pretty good price these days so maybe i'll try it out
23.25.23 #       <nikkelitous> Okay.
23.25.43 #       <larry_llama> cheers!
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