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01.07.58 #       <tracktheripper> linus?
01.08.23 #       <LinusN> yes?
01.08.58 #       <tracktheripper> ahh there u are :-)
01.09.03 #       <tracktheripper> thought u was asleep :)
01.09.18 #       <LinusN> then i wouldn't be on this channel
01.09.35 #       <tracktheripper> :-P
01.10.14 #       <tracktheripper> :-)
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02.39.46 #       <LinusN> good night all!
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09.16.18 #       <tracktheripper> mornings :-)
09.16.27 #       <Bagder> morning
09.16.46 #       <dwihno> hello hey!
09.18.16 #       <tracktheripper> :-)
09.18.27 #       <tracktheripper> wots up?
09.18.33 #       <dwihno> WASABI!
09.18.49 #       <tracktheripper> :D
09.19.45 #       <tracktheripper> at least Quel isn't in here :-)
09.20.18 #       <Bagder> I got this *great* idea for an ui improvement
09.20.30 #       <Bagder> I'll show you later
09.20.31 #       <tracktheripper> <------- wonders what it is
09.20.36 #       <tracktheripper> :-(
09.20.44 #       <Bagder> it'll be a surprise!
09.20.49 #       <tracktheripper> :-(
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09.20.50 #       <tracktheripper> :-(
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09.21.02 #       <Bagder> he's a mean bot that thing ;-)
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09.21.13 #       <tracktheripper> sowwie
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09.21.49 #       <dwihno> Bagder: Great UI idea? :D
09.22.14 #       <tracktheripper> he did say he'll tell us later Dwihno
09.22.31 #       <Bagder> well, at least I think it'll be a neat thing
09.22.37 #       <Bagder> not major, but neat
09.22.52 #       <tracktheripper> will it have the "inverted video line"?
09.23.01 #       <tracktheripper> as like in Joquams version?
09.23.12 #       <Bagder> its not cursor related
09.23.26 #       <tracktheripper> ohh
09.23.42 #       <tracktheripper> yea but even so will it have the inverted video line?
09.28.08 #       <dwihno> Inverted video line! :D
09.28.13 #       <dwihno> Yeah! I would love that!
09.28.17 #       <dwihno> Inverted video line :)~~~
09.28.31 #       <tracktheripper> its present in Joquam;s interface
09.28.39 #       <tracktheripper> i have the file on my Jukebox
09.29.32 #       <tracktheripper> ill tell you the best interface Dwhino
09.30.03 #       <dwihno> I don't really like it that much
09.30.09 #       <dwihno> But I do like the inverted video line
09.30.17 #       <tracktheripper> yea i aggree with you
09.30.18 #       <dwihno> (thus, allowing more chars!)
09.30.30 #       <tracktheripper> yea and its easier to see than the cursor
09.30.49 #       <dwihno> yeah... the only drawback is the speed issue, afaikl
09.31.01 #       <tracktheripper> I don't find it a speed issue
09.31.07 #       <tracktheripper> works for me ok in Joquams interface
09.32.41 #       <tracktheripper> surprised it hasnt been fixed yet since its been requested so many times :-)
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09.47.43 #       <Schnueff> moin
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09.50.30 #       <quelsaruk> morning
09.50.46 #       <quelsaruk> ups... Bagder is up there.. i'll better shut my mouth :)
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09.57.57 #       <dwihno> Inverted video line! YAY! :D
09.58.41 #       <quelsaruk> dwihno: you need your medicines right now!
10.02.29 #       <dwihno> quelsaruk: Nah, I could use some nice breakfast though.
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10.05.05 #       <Bagder> hej Z
10.05.27 #       <dwihno> Hola Zeņor Zagor ;D
10.06.07 #       <quelsaruk> muy andaluz, dwihno :)
10.06.14 #       <quelsaruk> you're nearly from sevilla
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10.06.35 #       <Zagor> mucho zapatas
10.06.44 #       <Zagor> ;*)
10.06.49 #       <Bagder> muchos pantalones!
10.06.52 #       <Bagder> :-P
10.07.18 #       <Bagder> we can move more code over to use the new splash function now
10.07.40 #       <Zagor> yeah. but let's not change too much right now.
10.07.57 #       <Bagder> I have this great idea to make it kicking 
10.08.59 #       <dwihno> Let me guess...
10.09.04 #       <dwihno> Inverted line? :D
10.09.10 #       * Bagder smacks dwihno
10.09.30 #       <Bagder> now go stand in the corner!
10.09.32 #       <quelsaruk> dwihno: just half inverted ;)
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10.10.37 #       * Bagder detects a lurker online
10.11.00 #       * LinusN|lurk is curious about Bagder's idea
10.11.17 #       <Bagder> its for the splash with center enabled
10.11.27 #       <Bagder> then I don't clear the whole screen
10.11.37 #       <Bagder> only the area where the text goes
10.11.43 #       <Bagder> and I make a border around it
10.11.44 #       <Zagor> cool
10.11.51 #       <Bagder> like a "window"
10.12.12 #       <Bagder> I think it'll look smashing
10.12.16 #       <Zagor> yeah
10.12.45 #       <Bagder> for things like "language loaded" this will be perfect
10.13.42 #       <Bagder> btw, I added more screenshots yesterday
10.14.56 #       <Bagder> that's when I found that terrible credits bug
10.15.11 #       <Bagder> it used the WRONG FONT!!!
10.15.15 #       <Bagder> :-]
10.15.45 #       <Zagor> gosh. a show-stopper!
10.16.22 #       <Bagder> yes, lucky me who found it in time
10.18.36 #       <Schnueff> heh
10.19.21 #       <dwihno> :-D
10.19.25 #       <dwihno> Yay!
10.19.31 #       <dwihno> Features, features, features!
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10.19.38 #       <quelsaruk> Bagder: i thought you used that font because you wanted it to be different
10.20.28 #       <Bagder> well, someone set the system font for the logo-screen without setting it back afterwards
10.21.05 #       <LinusN|lurk> find him and kill him
10.22.37 #       <Bagder> good idea
10.23.03 #       <Bagder> can't I just blame quelsaruk?
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10.23.34 #       <quel|out> better i go away
10.23.38 #       <quel|out> ;)
10.24.17 #       <quel|out> until Bagder drops his club
10.24.27 #       <quel|out> cu later
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12.01.00 #       <quel|out> re-morning
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12.58.09 #       <elinenbe> hello Zagor
12.58.15 #       <Zagor> ello'
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13.21.14 #       <elinenbe_> time to get a new router :(
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13.47.25 #       <langhaarrocker> Oh, btw: I had a red-led-on-freeze yesterday with yesterdays daily build.
13.47.55 #       <langhaarrocker> (not reproducable)
13.48.27 #       <quel|out> i had also a weird resume yesterday
13.48.53 #       <langhaarrocker> how can a resume be weired=
13.49.03 #       <quel|out> it resumed my playlist.. but started again from the first song, not from last position :)
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13.51.29 #       <webmind> morning
13.51.40 #       <elinenbe> whoever wants to take care of this can!  I found another bug.
13.52.07 #       <elinenbe> You are unable to turn off the keylock on the "keylock is on screen"
13.52.23 #       <elinenbe> so, if I try and turn it off but I only end up hitting f1
13.52.41 #       <elinenbe> then I have to wait for that screen to finish before I can turn it off.
13.53.31 #       <langhaarrocker> Maybe this is on of those bugs you also could call feature
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14.00.56 #       <dwihno> Zagor: Bad news. I encounter RED LED DEAD during lunch...
14.01.03 #       <Zagor> ok
14.01.52 #       <quelsaruk> you eat red led?? 
14.02.10 #       <quelsaruk> these swedish are strange men....
14.03.01 #       <dwihno> (latest bleeding edge build)
14.03.32 #       <langhaarrocker> dwihno: reproducable?
14.04.44 #       <dwihno> langhaarrocker: Fairly. It happens when reading data in a shaky environment
14.04.54 #       <dwihno> (such as, my pocket while biking)
14.05.12 #       <dwihno> I never had those problem with my IBM disk.
14.06.07 #       <langhaarrocker> I encountered that only once and couldn't reproduce it  - no matter how much I shook the thing. 
14.06.07 #       <langhaarrocker> And it is an IBM disk.
14.06.24 #       <dwihno> ah
14.06.53 #       <dwihno> I now have a hitachi disk. It doesn't happen often though, ever since I started keeping the unit in my chest pocket.
14.08.35 #       <langhaarrocker> Do modern disks occasionally need some time for calibration? I once had a disk that was unusable for hd recording due to that problem.
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14.13.48 #       <quel|lunch> cu l8r
14.14.02 #       <langhaarrocker> eet smakelijk
14.15.02 #       <dwihno> smeetfrees
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15.14.41 #       <dwihno> :O
15.14.54 #       <dwihno> How did you know?! *ponder*
15.17.01 #       <Bagder> time to hack that splash thing
15.17.12 #       <dwihno> Yay for splashes! :D
15.17.18 #       <dwihno> Yay for inverted cursors ;D
15.17.59 #       <Bagder> hey, we should send the "I made the build red" cap to Linus
15.18.55 #       <Bagder> I guess I can have a look at that too
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15.20.18 #       <tracktheripper> Afternoon
15.20.23 #       <Bagder> g'day
15.20.24 #       <tracktheripper> everybody :-)
15.20.48 #       <tracktheripper> hi Badger
15.20.48 #       <tracktheripper> wats up?
15.21.00 #       <tracktheripper> started on your new interface yet?
15.21.08 #       <Bagder> its not a new interface
15.21.24 #       <tracktheripper> ohh
15.21.29 #       <tracktheripper> i thouight u said that eariler on
15.21.34 #       <Bagder> I didn't
15.21.52 #       <tracktheripper> oh ok fair enough
15.21.58 #       <tracktheripper> was it an "improvement" u ment?
15.22.11 #       <Bagder> you'll find out
15.22.17 #       <Bagder> if it gets good enough
15.22.30 #       <dwihno> Bagder: yay! :D
15.22.34 #       <dwihno> It's the SPLASH!
15.22.40 #       <dwihno> The SPLASH(tm)
15.22.52 #       <tracktheripper> ohh
15.22.59 #       <tracktheripper> will it be present in the daily builds?
15.23.17 #       <dwihno> I hope so!
15.23.23 #       <dwihno> Splash + inverted cursor :-)~
15.23.34 #       <dwihno> Splash sounds pretty funky :D
15.23.36 #       <tracktheripper> :-O
15.23.40 #       <tracktheripper> is it implemented now?
15.23.44 #       <dwihno> dunno
15.23.52 #       <tracktheripper> ohh
15.23.57 #       <dwihno> It's in Bagder's secret bag of tricks (and starka såsen)
15.24.00 #       <tracktheripper> by your excitement I thought it was
15.24.17 #       <tracktheripper> <--- wishes Zagor was here
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15.27.38 #       <tracktheripper> <------------------- Stepped out Be Back Later
15.30.36 #       <Bagder> hey
15.30.39 #       <Bagder> it rocks
15.30.44 #       <Bagder> it just r0cks
15.30.49 #       <dwihno> The Splash?
15.30.57 #       <Bagder> hm, I'll make you a shot
15.31.05 #       <dwihno> Yeah
15.31.16 #       <dwihno> :-D
15.31.43 #       <Bagder> http://www.contactor.se/~dast/splash.png
15.32.18 #       <dwihno> whoa :D
15.32.21 #       <dwihno> It's the Splash!
15.32.25 #       <Bagder> hehe
15.32.27 #       <Bagder> yeah
15.32.47 #       * dwihno gives his seal of approval :D
15.33.57 #       <Bagder> http://www.contactor.se/~dast/splash2.png
15.33.58 #       <Zagor> looks neat
15.34.01 #       <Bagder> shows the flexibility
15.34.09 #       <Bagder> it wordwraps itself
15.34.26 #       <Zagor> any "button" support? to make proper dialog?
15.34.35 #       <Bagder> yeah, it waits for the given keymask
15.34.43 #       <Bagder> for a specified number of ticks
15.35.13 #       <Bagder> see apps/screen.h for the docs ;-)
15.36.19 #       <Bagder> and... it works on players too!
15.36.24 #       <Bagder> not that fancy then of course
15.36.53 #       <Bagder> now
15.37.02 #       <Bagder> now if we can make that box bounce...
15.37.07 #       <Bagder> :-P
15.37.16 #       <Zagor> haha
15.38.42 #       <dwihno> Splash + inverted cursor ;D
15.39.04 #       <Bagder> so go make us that patch
15.39.26 #       <dwihno> You already did the splash
15.41.47 #       <Zagor> http://xmlsucks.org/but_you_have_to_use_it_anyway/does-xml-suck.pdf
15.42.13 #       <Zagor> a good smack-in-the-face to the next guy that says "let's use XML"
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15.42.53 #       <Bagder> should I make the splash code support newlines?
15.42.59 #       <Bagder> so that we can use that for the resume q
15.43.18 #       <Zagor> yes
15.43.43 #       <dwihno> :O
15.43.45 #       <dwihno> Splash! :D
15.44.10 #       <dwihno> Instead of a square, you can make the Splash also look like a puddle of water :D
15.45.16 #       <Bagder> hm
15.45.21 #       <Bagder> do we support newlines in the lang files?
15.47.14 #       <Bagder> correct answer is...
15.47.16 #       <Bagder> NOPE
15.47.28 #       <dwihno> :O
15.47.33 #       <Bagder> so maybe I should start in that end
15.47.39 #       <Hadaka> Zagor: did you actually read that through?
15.52.36 #       <Zagor> Hadaka: which?
15.53.45 #       <Hadaka> Zagor: the xml sucks article
15.54.33 #       <Zagor> Hadaka: ah, that. yes I did. I admit it's not the perfect slap-in-the-face, but it has a lot of good points before the "it's inevitable" conclusion
15.55.12 #       <Hadaka> Zagor: I thought it did a pretty good job of outlining the faults and benefits of XML
15.55.26 #       <Hadaka> Zagor: and even did it in a rather non slap-in-the-face manner
15.55.57 #       <Zagor> well, in the religious world of XML, anything but "I worship thee" is a slap in the face to some people :-)
15.57.02 #       <Hadaka> oh yes, rather good in thwarting those who do not even see the faults of XML :)
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15.59.11 #       <langhaarrocker> I still wonder wether xml would be a good format for storing user key schemes. It suits the job fine since in a way the different schemes are structured like a tree.
16.00.28 #       <matsl> cu
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16.15.34 #       <Bagder> newlines was trickier
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16.22.14 #       <quelsaruk> hi
16.28.44 #       <Bagder> hey q
16.28.51 #       <Bagder> look: http://www.contactor.se/~dast/splash2.png
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16.29.34 #       <langhaarrocker> Oh, Windows on Rockbox! Where's the close 'x' Button?
16.30.21 #       <Zagor> looks really good
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16.30.27 #       <quelsaruk> looks good
16.30.50 #       <quelsaruk> but....
16.31.00 #       <quelsaruk> :)
16.31.01 #       <Zagor> Bagder: does the second line scroll on the players if the text is too long?
16.31.08 #       <langhaarrocker> Bagder: does the usb mouse work with rockbox? :)
16.31.15 #       <quelsaruk> shit, i can't find any negative point 
16.34.12 #       <Bagder> Zagor: nope, it doesn't... but I guess it should...
16.34.14 #       <quelsaruk> Bagder: any idea of how we can use that????
16.34.21 #       <Bagder> I'm struggling with newline support
16.34.31 #       <Bagder> turned out to be a bit hairy
16.34.42 #       <Zagor> quelsaruk: all questions should use this splash instead of current full-screen display
16.34.50 #       <Zagor> such as "resume?" "really delete?" etc.
16.34.52 #       <Bagder> like "language loaded"
16.34.53 #       <quelsaruk> of course, zagor
16.35.18 #       <quelsaruk> i was thinking in a "comment box" for quick screens ;)
16.35.26 #       <Zagor> haha
16.35.30 #       <quelsaruk> like those yellow boxes in windows
16.36.28 #       <langhaarrocker> tooltips?
16.38.01 #       <quelsaruk> langhaarrocker: i've got linus fairytale for you :)
16.38.44 #       <langhaarrocker> :)
16.41.03 #       <quelsaruk> Bagder, that "box" is sizable?
16.41.17 #       <Bagder> yes, it sizes automaticly after the text
16.41.19 #       <quelsaruk> as you're going to change strings...
16.41.24 #       <quelsaruk> umm
16.41.35 #       <Bagder> it wordwraps, centers and puts it in a box
16.41.38 #       <quelsaruk> and has auto-center?
16.41.43 #       <quelsaruk> great
16.41.51 #       <quelsaruk> that was what i wanted to know
16.41.52 #       <quelsaruk> :)
16.41.57 #       <langhaarrocker> is the wordwrap reusable for the text viewer?
16.42.26 #       <Bagder> not the actual code, but the same logic could be
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16.44.25 #       <Zagor> i've been thinking about having %s lines be auto-centered if they don't scroll
16.44.41 #       <quelsaruk> Zagor: for wps?
16.44.44 #       <Zagor> yes
16.44.49 #       <quelsaruk> ummmm
16.44.59 #       <Zagor> and a %c to only center
16.45.20 #       <quelsaruk> better if you could use %c and %s
16.45.29 #       <Zagor> yeah, could work too
16.46.04 #       <quelsaruk> i mean, people would like to have all lines left-alineated, but still be able to scroll
16.46.26 #       <quelsaruk> at least me :)
16.46.38 #       * langhaarrocker is to lazy to fix the bug that dynamic tags don't update in %s lines
16.52.16 #       <Zagor> gotta go
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16.52.26 #       <langhaarrocker> argh! Apocalyptica is in town tonight! I must go and buy a ticket! 
16.52.29 #       <Bagder> http://www.contactor.se/~dast/splash3.png
16.52.37 #       <Bagder> when the vertical lines don't fit
16.53.10 #       <quelsaruk> i have apocalyptica featuring metallica
16.53.13 #       <quelsaruk> and they are great!!
16.53.15 #       <quelsaruk> :)
17.05.00 #       <Bagder> there it goes
17.05.22 #       <Bagder> language loaded is the only one using the splash so far
17.07.21 #       <hardeep> heh, how about a splash on top of a splash...  how many splashes can you do!
17.07.32 #       <hardeep> looks very cool :)
17.08.42 #       <quelsaruk> Bagder: is splash going on 2.0?
17.09.05 #       <quelsaruk> i think it should
17.09.18 #       <langhaarrocker> Only if used consistently.
17.09.25 #       <Bagder> yes, I made it for Linus and some recording splash need he had
17.10.58 #       <Bagder> although we didn't want it centered
17.11.07 #       <Bagder> and without center there's no box
17.11.14 #       <quelsaruk> i like it centered
17.11.17 #       <quelsaruk> :)
17.13.07 #       <langhaarrocker> Bagder: next job: insert an animated icon like those help agents in Microsoft products.
17.13.07 #       <langhaarrocker> (ouch I used the forbidden word)
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19.14.21 #       <REBELinBLUE> hey
19.14.38 #       <REBELinBLUE> Does anyone have the source for the daily build from the 10th?
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19.36.42 #       <tracktheripper> hi
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19.39.52 #       <REBELinBLUE> Does anyone know how to compile the simulator on Windows?
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21.06.41 #       <elinenbe> hello
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21.18.02 #       <quelsaruk> re-hi
21.18.22 #       <quelsaruk> has anyone seen langhaarrocker?
21.18.39 #       <PsycoXul> 08:27 -!- langhaarrocker [~Phil@212-204-020-015.dsl1.versanet.de] has quit 
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21.18.54 #       <quelsaruk> 8:27 pm?
21.18.59 #       <PsycoXul> am
21.19.02 #       <quelsaruk> am?
21.19.04 #       <PsycoXul> it's 12:21 by my clock now
21.19.07 #       <quelsaruk> ok
21.19.18 #       <quelsaruk> 4 hours before :)
21.19.27 #       <quelsaruk> 17 pm in europe
21.19.33 #       <quelsaruk> i mean 5 pm
21.19.35 #       <PsycoXul> hehe
21.19.36 #       <quelsaruk> :)
21.19.43 #       <PsycoXul> what about 17am?
21.19.45 #       <PsycoXul> :p
21.19.46 #       <quelsaruk> 17 pm is not possible ;P
21.19.48 #       <Hadaka> 10 pm in finland
21.20.12 #       <quelsaruk> cu tomorrow then
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21.20.15 #       <quelsaruk> bye!
21.20.18 #       <PsycoXul> http://www.randomdudes.com/bush/bush.html
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21.20.22 #       <TBoy> howdy
21.20.57 #       <TBoy> 1 question regarding the, fairly new to me, splash function
21.21.43 #       <TBoy> how do I select or put in the keystrokes
21.29.24 #       <TBoy> in the code that is
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21.57.13 #       <TBoy> I'm recieving some problems
21.57.54 #       <TBoy> I seem to not find the line space where to add my Splash() in the screen so it looks like bagders photos
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22.07.59 #       <TBoy> guys
22.08.11 #       <TBoy> Is the splash function used anywhere else in the code
22.08.17 #       <TBoy> or is it used at all?
22.08.32 #       <Zagor> it's not used yet
22.08.56 #       <TBoy> Zagor: could this one work
22.08.57 #       <TBoy>             Splash(2000, 0, True, 'TBoy');
22.09.11 #       <Zagor> I don't know, I haven't looked at the splash code yet
22.09.16 #       <TBoy> oh ok
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22.25.06 #       <REBELinBLUE> hey
22.25.32 #       <Bagder> hi
22.26.00 #       <REBELinBLUE> does anyone know what B1 means http://rockbox.haxx.se/codes_new.png
22.26.27 #       <Bagder> what b1 means?
22.26.36 #       <REBELinBLUE> It's been on my FM screen for weeks now when I boot into the archos Firmware I've emailed them and they haven't replied I even phoned them and just put me on hold for hours
22.26.40 #       <REBELinBLUE> B1 in the grid
22.26.40 #       <REBELinBLUE> http://rockbox.haxx.se/codes_new.png
22.26.55 #       <Bagder> you mean what the character is used for?
22.27.20 #       <REBELinBLUE> yeah
22.27.43 #       <Bagder> I've never seen it
22.27.53 #       <Bagder> but then I don't run archos firmware either
22.28.03 #       <REBELinBLUE> Oh also this bit at the bottom "Tests have shown that firmware sizes above 200K won't load." just to let you know they seem to work on the FM recorder, cause I compiled rockbox with some patchs and it came to 205kb
22.28.15 #       <Bagder> no, 205000
22.28.28 #       <REBELinBLUE> ?
22.28.31 #       <Bagder> 200K is 204800
22.28.46 #       <Bagder> is it really 205K?
22.29.15 #       <REBELinBLUE> thats what explorer said, but I don't have it anymore, I forgot to make a backup for updating
22.29.16 #       <REBELinBLUE> doh
22.29.20 #       <Bagder> ah, ok
22.29.25 #       <Bagder> explorer should be right
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22.29.38 #       <Bagder> then the limit may not apply to the fm
22.29.47 #       <Bagder> I'm not sure it applies to my recorder either
22.30.40 #       <REBELinBLUE> may just be the player, but seeing Rockbox is designed to work on that, it doesn't matter :D
22.31.48 #       <Bagder> and the player version is a smaller binary
22.31.50 #       <Bagder> atm
22.32.10 #       <Bagder> my latest player build is merely 112734 bytes
22.32.18 #       <REBELinBLUE> oh 
22.33.10 #       <czarnoff> the player 1.4 build is even smaller 77698 bytes
22.33.23 #       <Bagder> well, the 1.4 is also oooooold ;-)
22.33.42 #       <REBELinBLUE> LOL why do people are for things like this "Divx audio extractor" they must realise that you can't convert between formats without other codecs
22.34.25 #       <REBELinBLUE> Or this "Make the normal Recorders pick up FM like the FM recorder" I mean thats like trying to get your toilet to pick up radio, it ain't going to work
22.34.36 #       <czarnoff> What's the main difference (why shouldn't I stick with 1.4)?
22.35.02 #       <czarnoff> besides it being old
22.35.49 #       <REBELinBLUE> :( my feature request was rejected
22.35.52 #       <REBELinBLUE> oh well
22.36.10 #       <Bagder> czarnoff: queueing, file management, improved mp3 playback, improved wps and more
22.36.35 #       <Bagder> and the iso8859-1 support
22.36.45 #       <REBELinBLUE> The only feature I think needs to be added now is rmdir :D
22.37.07 #       <REBELinBLUE> and a playlist builder like the archos FM firmware :D
22.37.43 #       <Bagder> post your patches ;-)
22.37.46 #       <REBELinBLUE> not sure how it works in the player/recorder but on the FM you "queue" the files and then select save playlist
22.37.58 #       <REBELinBLUE> LOL I'm very new to C
22.38.08 #       <REBELinBLUE> I wish I could, only just had the lecture on pointers today
22.38.16 #       <Bagder> a perfect opportunity to learn! ;-)
22.38.23 #       <REBELinBLUE> turn
22.38.43 #       <REBELinBLUE> thats why I've been mucking about with the source, adding things here and there just to see what happens
22.38.47 #       <Bagder> I bet the save-queue-as-playlist feature will be added soon
22.39.00 #       <REBELinBLUE> but I can't get the simulator to compile so it
22.39.08 #       <czarnoff> Where do you go to school?
22.39.18 #       <Bagder> does it allow the queue to be saved like that after the songs are played or before?
22.39.22 #       <REBELinBLUE> it's annoying having to transfer files between computer/archos then reboot
22.39.29 #       <REBELinBLUE> either Bagder
22.39.34 #       <Bagder> ok
22.39.42 #       <REBELinBLUE> <czarnoff> Where do you go to school? -- University of Plymouth in England
22.40.36 #       <czarnoff> I'm going to Indiana University.  They don't muck around in C much.  A little disapointed really.
22.41.26 #       <Bagder> C isn't as popular as it used to be :-)
22.41.34 #       <Bagder> people all learn java these days
22.41.35 #       <REBELinBLUE> We're learning C cause next year we get into assembly for micro processors etc
22.41.43 #       <REBELinBLUE> God I can't stand Java
22.41.46 #       <REBELinBLUE> so sloooooooooooooooooooooooow
22.42.28 #       <czarnoff> They write everything in scheme.  But on the plus side we're learning how to take scheme code, transform it to any thing.  Including good uses of the C GOTO command.  
22.43.14 #       <REBELinBLUE> ah GOTO that brings back memories
22.43.48 #       <REBELinBLUE> I only really know web scripting right now though, I can get around in something like VB when it comes to actual computer programming but thats about it
22.43.59 #       <REBELinBLUE> Oh and the odd Shell script
22.45.20 #       <czarnoff> I never got VB.  I started with text BASIC and don't really under stand the VB gui system.
22.45.54 #       <REBELinBLUE> Oh I like the new slash(0
22.45.56 #       <REBELinBLUE> slash()
22.46.04 #       <REBELinBLUE> *splash()
22.46.13 #       * Bagder bows
22.46.16 #       <REBELinBLUE> third time lucky :D
22.47.05 #       <REBELinBLUE> one question, how do I make diff files?
22.47.34 #       <Bagder> http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/patch.html
22.47.52 #       <Bagder> should cover the most of it
22.48.18 #       <REBELinBLUE> ah ha thanks :D
22.48.45 #       <REBELinBLUE> LOL I searched for hours the other day on applying patches, I wish I knew about that page :D
22.49.04 #       <Bagder> also try this: http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/firsttime.html
22.49.15 #       <Bagder> called "First Look at Rockbox"
22.50.06 #       <REBELinBLUE> ah yeah read that
22.50.12 #       <REBELinBLUE> when using this
22.50.12 #       <REBELinBLUE> Windows: (the recommended way) Setup a cygwin Rockbox development environment (uses approx 7.5MB) 
22.50.20 #       <REBELinBLUE> I can't compile the simulator though :(
22.50.23 #       <Bagder> true
22.50.30 #       <Bagder> for that you need a full gcc install too
22.51.02 #       <REBELinBLUE> ah that'll be why :D
22.51.08 #       <REBELinBLUE> where can I get that from?
22.51.20 #       <Bagder> install a full cygwin
22.51.34 #       <Bagder> www.cygwin.com/
22.51.40 #       <REBELinBLUE> ah 
22.51.51 #       <Bagder> but it'll be a lot bigger
22.51.57 #       <REBELinBLUE> I'll have to do that at easter then cause there is no way I can download cygwin now
22.52.04 #       <REBELinBLUE> yeah I know, I've used cygwin before :D
22.52.09 #       <Bagder> ah, ok
22.52.23 #       <REBELinBLUE> stupid Uni halls net connection
22.52.28 #       <REBELinBLUE> 3pence a minute :(
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22.56.30 #       <REBELinBLUE> OK I have what I came for, now time to go play :D
22.56.32 #       <REBELinBLUE> see you
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23.00.09 #       <Bagder> hi felix
23.00.17 #       <edx> hi
23.00.23 #       * edx has just returned from Hannover (CeBIT :D)
23.00.39 #       <Bagder> had a good time?
23.01.32 #       <edx> sure
23.01.37 #       <edx> went to archos :)
23.01.45 #       <Bagder> yay ;-)
23.01.47 #       <edx> they had those movie glasses there
23.01.54 #       <edx> unfortunately you couldn't test them
23.01.56 #       <edx> grrr
23.02.30 #       <Bagder> seen my new splash?
23.02.34 #       <edx> but i collected lots of plastic bags and sweets
23.02.35 #       <edx> no
23.02.43 #       <Bagder> http://www.contactor.se/~dast/splash2.png
23.02.46 #       <edx> ..
23.03.07 #       <Bagder> to use for "pop-up" messages
23.03.14 #       <edx> sweet
23.05.26 #       <MT> how fast is it? can we use it for subliminal "donate paypal to rockbox" messages
23.05.39 #       <Bagder> :-)
23.05.43 #       <Bagder> I haven't timed it
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23.19.07 #       <adi|work> Bagder: do we want the function keys ported to it, or is it just for like help menus?
23.19.10 #       <adi|work> like demos/games?
23.19.34 #       <elinenbe> oh... the function keys ported would be nice.
23.19.37 #       <elinenbe> the mute menu
23.19.42 #       <elinenbe> the keylock screen
23.19.50 #       <elinenbe> ON=YES OFF=CANCEL screen
23.19.54 #       <Bagder> I meant it for those pop-up messages like "language loaded" and "renamed file" etc
23.19.59 #       <adi|work> got ya
23.20.23 #       <Bagder> the mute and the keylock should use it too, yes
23.20.28 #       <Bagder> "loading playlist"
23.20.40 #       <Bagder> (with the counter thrown away)
23.20.46 #       <adi|work> nods
23.22.04 #       <elinenbe> yeah (loading playlist counter dumb)
23.22.10 #       <elinenbe> delete yes/no should use ot
23.22.11 #       <elinenbe> it
23.22.21 #       <Bagder> yes it could
23.22.32 #       <Bagder> with a slight modification of it
23.22.42 #       <adi|work> Bagder where is splash located?
23.22.45 #       <adi|work> sprintf?
23.22.49 #       <Bagder> screens.c
23.22.56 #       <adi|work> k
23.23.09 #       <elinenbe> it would be nice for a help menu for games.
23.23.47 #       <adi|work> yup
23.23.51 #       <Bagder> just notice that it word wraps automaticly, so it doesn't do formatted output
23.23.55 #       <Bagder> at least not now
23.24.22 #       <elinenbe> hmmm...
23.24.30 #       <elinenbe> Badger: you want to fix a bug? :)
23.25.00 #       <Bagder> not really, but you can tell me first and then I'll decide ;-)
23.25.06 #       <elinenbe> of course.... I meant Bagder!
23.25.22 #       <elinenbe> you should be able to turn off keylock in the "keylock on" screen
23.31.41 #       <adi|work> interesting..
23.32.49 #       <adi|work> in status.c we have a call to lcd_update_rect
23.32.54 #       <adi|work> and it should only update the status bar,
23.33.01 #       <adi|work> but it appears to update more then 8 pixels
23.33.29 #       <Bagder> really?
23.33.33 #       <adi|work> yup
23.33.46 #       <adi|work> i was looking at the playlist loading text to plya with your splace
23.33.49 #       <adi|work> splash even
23.33.59 #       <adi|work> and i searched for l"Loading" 
23.34.12 #       <adi|work> stepped through.. and status_update gets called, only the status bar should be updated
23.34.19 #       <adi|work> but it puts "Loading" to the screen too
23.40.42 #       <Bagder> in the sim or on target?
23.40.48 #       <adi|work> sim
23.40.54 #       <Bagder> ok
23.40.55 #       <adi|work> im not debugging off target
23.41.04 #       <Bagder> chicken ;-)
23.41.12 #       <adi|work> damn right
23.41.52 #       <adi|work> i can give you a line if you want to confirm this
23.42.02 #       <Bagder> the thing is
23.42.18 #       <Bagder> that even if it updates a little too much, it shouldn't update wrong content
23.42.26 #       <adi|work> thats what i was thinking
23.42.37 #       <adi|work> i first thought i was catching an extra update.. thats what made me check
23.48.03 #       <adi|work> know what?
23.48.07 #       <adi|work> turns out im just and idiot 
23.48.19 #       <adi|work> though we do have an extra update..
23.48.22 #       <Bagder> haha
23.48.26 #       <adi|work> in that code we do:
23.48.31 #       <adi|work> lcd_puts(0,0,str(LANG_PLAYLIST_LOAD));
23.48.36 #       <adi|work>         status_draw();
23.48.36 #       <adi|work>         lcd_update();
23.48.46 #       <adi|work> its the put that preps the draw...
23.48.59 #       <adi|work> actually.. wait.. no.. im not wrong
23.49.12 #       <adi|work> status_draw should not paint loading on the screen.
23.49.16 #       <adi|work> but it does..
23.49.31 #       <Bagder> well the puts() put it in the framebuffer
23.49.45 #       <Bagder> and I guess the sim version of the rect update updates too much
23.50.02 #       <adi|work> i guess... 
23.50.07 #       <adi|work> but seems odd...
23.50.15 #       <Bagder> btw
23.50.18 #       <adi|work> yeah?
23.50.19 #       <Bagder> if you're in screens.c
23.50.25 #       <Bagder> can you remove the debug code?
23.50.29 #       <adi|work> sure...
23.50.31 #       <Bagder> "DURING DEBUG ONLY"
23.50.35 #       <adi|work> im not in it.. but ill do it
23.50.55 #       <adi|work> only 1 line :)
23.50.59 #       <Bagder> yeah
23.51.05 #       <Bagder> but it slows down the operation
23.51.14 #       <adi|work> done.. updating
23.51.19 #       <adi|work> commited
23.51.23 #       <Bagder> thanks
23.51.32 #       <adi|work> p
23.51.34 #       <adi|work> np
23.53.51 #       <adi|work> so what should this splash say do? say only "Loading files..."?
23.53.56 #       <adi|work> and where should it do it?
23.54.13 #       <Bagder> loading playlist surely
23.54.53 #       <Bagder> check for LANG_PLAYLIST_LOAD
23.54.55 #       <adi|work> what about "Playing..." and "%d Files"
23.55.04 #       <Bagder> I think we should scrap them
23.55.18 #       <adi|work> okay.. so we only say Loading..
23.55.23 #       <Bagder> they only flash past for a fraction of a second anyway
23.55.29 #       <Bagder> on one can read them
23.55.32 #       <adi|work> nods
23.55.42 #       <adi|work> should anything be behind the splash, or just the splash itself?
23.55.44 Quit    edx ()
23.56.19 #       <Bagder> when a playlist is played in the dir browser, the dir will be left "behind" it
23.56.34 #       <Bagder> and then the wps will pop up
23.56.52 #       <adi|work> k
23.57.59 #       <adi|work> hmmm keymask?
23.58.29 #       <Bagder> ticks 0 keymask 0 to not wait for any keys
23.58.42 #       <adi|work> k