--- Log for 22.03.103 Server: sterling.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16p1 Started: 25 days and 13 hours ago 00.12.58 # yes, this is the rockbox channel.. 00.13.18 # as for your question arbrab dunno.. im working on a linux box.. but hang out and ask when other come in.. 00.13.26 # i think edx is working in windows.. 00.17.40 # hmm.. okay.. its just that the methods discribed on rockbox website assumes that u dont have a previous cygwin environment and no ther tool chain but I have them, though I think that is not the problem. The real problem I have is the absence of as.exe in the rockbox.Theoretically it shud be there in lib\gcc-lib\sh-elf\3.0.4 00.20.36 # rockbox shouldn't have an as.exe.. why would it? 00.29.38 # not rockbox, but the toolchain 00.30.29 # its part of the gcc-lib 00.31.15 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.32.50 # goodbye 00.33.37 # u see this is what the specs file of gcc lib looks like: 00.33.38 # as %(asm_options) %{!pipe:%g.s} %A 00.33.46 # thats how the assembler is invoked 00.33.57 # trouble is that there is no file named as 00.39.06 Join matsl [0] (~matsl@as13-4-5.mal.s.bonet.se) 00.39.39 Join josh966__ [0] (~chatzilla@ak.nlc.com) 00.39.54 # 4.4MB 00.39.55 # * adi|work is away: going home 00.40.30 # doh wrong window heh 00.43.09 Join matsl_ [0] (~matsl@as13-4-5.mal.s.bonet.se) 00.43.37 Quit matsl ("Client Exiting") 00.46.09 Nick dwihn0r is now known as dw|gone (dwihno@h193180246067.kommunicera.umea.se) 00.54.06 Quit josh966__ ("ChatZilla 0.8.23 [Mozilla rv:1.3/20030312]") 00.58.49 Join Bio_Hazard [0] (~Biohazard@bak-66-75-41-114.bak.rr.com) 00.59.14 # yo 01.05.27 Quit bitjockey (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.08.54 Join BoD[] [0] (~BoD@m131.net81-67-41.noos.fr) 01.09.00 # youhouuoou :) 01.13.52 Join Nibbler [0] (~Nibbler@port-212-202-221-141.reverse.qdsl-home.de) 01.16.43 # hi! 01.19.31 # howdy... 01.25.20 Quit Nibbler ("There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't.") 01.33.09 # 1 gw.net81-67-40.noos.fr (81.67.40.1) 1888.245 ms 1582.162 ms 1678.860 ms 01.58.56 Part Bio_Hazard 02.27.21 Quit matsl_ ("Client Exiting") 02.28.42 # woo 02.28.47 # took my studio20 into bestbuy 02.28.51 # they gave me an fm recorder 02.31.18 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.42.14 # i haven't put rockbox on yet 02.42.19 # playing with the firmware thats on there 02.42.24 # the backlight fades out 02.42.25 # heh 02.47.36 Join Temfate [0] (temfate@12-208-243-31.client.attbi.com) 02.48.01 # what's this I read; psyco got a fm recorder too? 02.48.40 # indeed 02.48.44 # heh 02.48.50 # log's: for the invisible lurker 02.49.11 # exactly... so now we really need to make this tuner code work... 02.49.25 # why's that? 02.49.28 # i never really listen to the radio :p 02.49.28 # heh 02.49.35 # still be cool though i guess 02.49.41 # yea but it's a "feature"... heh. 02.49.57 # what happened to the studio 20? 02.50.50 # well to start with the charger plug got loose so i always had to fiddle with it to make it charge 02.51.06 # then more recently it quit giving the batteries a full charge even when it was making contact 02.51.24 # figures... 02.51.30 # so ya got a free upgrade? 02.51.40 # right after my mom gets 3 sets of nimh batteries for her digital camera 02.51.40 # heh 02.51.44 # yeah 02.51.58 # since best buy can't service them 02.52.04 # and they didn't have any of the old ones left 02.52.15 # did you have the service plan? or was that just a warranty return? 02.52.21 # service plan 02.52.27 # ah... 02.52.47 # so does ROLO work on the FM's? 02.53.08 # appears to; everything but the tuner chip. 02.53.22 # yeah thats why i was asking about rolo 02.53.24 # I had it freak out once. 02.53.40 # if i ever do wanna listen to the radio till rockbox supports it can just rolo the archos fw 02.53.43 # heh 02.53.44 # but then again I compile the daily builds. 02.53.57 # true... I didn't think of that. 02.54.31 # i usualy compile the CVS 02.54.33 # heh 02.54.35 # Anyone of u compiles on windows? 02.54.41 # I do. 02.54.44 # using cygwin 02.54.47 # and linux 02.54.55 # i don't much care for the headphone out being on the side though 02.55.09 # okay... I seem to be having some problem as I cant find the appropriate as.exe 02.55.16 # I saw your posts in the log arbrab; get the SDK they offer! 02.55.25 # 35 mb shit? 02.55.33 # no, like 7 meg 02.55.46 # oh that is if u dont have cygwin already 02.56.08 # true; or just disable your other... want me to check if that as.exe is there? 02.56.18 # yeah that will be gr8 02.57.04 # Administrator@ASTROLITE /rockbox/bin 02.57.04 # $ ls 02.57.05 # sh-elf-ar.exe sh-elf-gasp.exe sh-elf-objcopy.exe 02.57.05 DBUG Enqueued KICK Temfate 02.57.05 # sh-elf-cpp.exe sh-elf-gcc.exe 02.57.17 # okay, I dont see any as 02.57.45 # it wont be here anyway.. it will be in lib/gcc-lib etc.etc 02.57.46 # agreed. 02.57.56 # one sec. 02.58.33 # but internally gcc uses cc1 and as, so if as is not there, how is it compiling??? 02.59.00 # nope; those I listed above is all you need. 02.59.58 # phew... but as I said and u can see it for urselg if u give the gcc -v option that what it is using internally.. can u do that? modify ur makefile to add a -v option in the cflags 03.00.26 # see if this helps 03.00.28 # CC = sh-elf-gcc 03.00.28 # LD = sh-elf-ld 03.00.29 # AR = sh-elf-ar 03.00.29 # AS = sh-elf-as 03.00.30 *** Alert Mode level 1 03.00.30 # OC = sh-elf-objcopy 03.00.46 # and where is this as? 03.00.52 # sh-elf-as 03.01.28 # dunno... searching now. 03.01.53 # ah-ha! 03.02.13 # Administrator@ASTROLITE /rockbox 03.02.13 # $ ls 03.02.14 # bin include lib sh-elf share 03.02.14 *** Alert Mode level 2 03.02.14 # Administrator@ASTROLITE /rockbox 03.02.15 *** Alert Mode level 3 03.02.15 # $ cd sh-elf 03.02.15 *** Alert Mode level 4 03.02.15 # Administrator@ASTROLITE /rockbox/sh-elf 03.02.16 *** Alert Mode level 5 03.02.16 # $ ls 03.02.18 # bin 03.02.20 # Administrator@ASTROLITE /rockbox/sh-elf 03.02.22 # $ cd bin 03.02.24 # Administrator@ASTROLITE /rockbox/sh-elf/bin 03.02.26 # $ ls 03.02.27 # as.exe ld.exe 03.02.30 # Administrator@ASTROLITE /rockbox/sh-elf/bin 03.02.32 # need it? 03.02.36 # yups :) 03.03.54 Nick Snorlax is now known as Snorlax|ZzZ (Snorlax@h53n1fls34o883.telia.com) 03.03.57 # can you accept a .exe file? 03.04.09 # shit..u r not in my dccallow list... wait a sec 03.04.14 # k 03.05.00 # can u send now? now u r in my list 03.05.39 # holy christ.. I dont know whats wrong but I cant reveive it.. 03.06.21 # it's trying on my end. 03.06.22 Join arbitrabb [0] (nO0ne@adsl-212-41-65-177.solnet.ch) 03.06.30 # what client you using? 03.06.41 DBUG Enqueued KICK arbitrabb 03.06.41 # hey temfate... can 15y14ou send now at this ID? 03.07.31 # well, somehow cant recieve it for some reason 03.07.38 # and I can form other ppl 03.07.40 # oops. 03.07.42 # one sec. 03.07.48 # my firewall is pissed at me now! 03.07.49 # 15y14ou behinfd a firewall or something? 03.07.53 # :) 03.07.53 # okay 03.09.23 Join TemptedFate [0] (temfate@12-208-243-31.client.attbi.com) 03.09.45 # oops. this is me now. 03.09.54 # okay 03.10.06 # which account should I sent to? 03.10.15 # this one 03.10.38 # do you have to add this nick to your list? 03.10.48 *** Alert Mode level 6 03.10.48 # 15n14o14, here everyone is allwed 03.10.53 # allowed 03.11.26 *** Alert Mode level 7 03.11.26 # na.. can 15y14ou upload to my ftp server? 03.12.16 # I don't get why my client isn't working... 03.12.53 *** Alert Mode level 8 03.12.53 # its probably the port... I see 15Y14our internal IP when 15y14ou send something 03.13.06 # whereas I shud see the external to establish a connection 03.13.41 # I set my box up now as DMZ host... I don't get it... 03.14.07 # hmm.. thats interesting... again 192.168.1.101, Port 3153 03.14.12 # wont work like this 03.14.30 # I need to see 12-208-243-31 03.14.38 # yea. hold on. 03.14.38 *** Alert Mode level 9 03.14.38 # so its 15Y14our config 03.15.19 # again the same 03.15.24 # DAMN! 03.15.32 # let me restart client 03.15.34 Quit TemptedFate ("---> just died of caffine overdose...") 03.15.43 *** Alert Mode level 10 03.15.43 # 15{14{ 15£14åügHîñg 15Ø14üt 15£14öüÐ 15}14}14, okay 15:14) 03.15.51 Join TemptedFate [0] (temfate@12-208-243-31.client.attbi.com) 03.16.03 # woohoo! 03.16.04 # better 03.16.21 # oh my work that firewall works well. 03.16.24 # err word. 03.16.26 # :) 03.16.38 # ha ha ha 03.16.48 # anyway, thanks.. I will try with this now 03.16.53 Quit arbitrabb ("« Ë×Çü®§îöñ » Info-[v9.4.22]- Released-[August 19, 2002]- Channel-[#Excurs") 03.17.59 Quit Temfate (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.19.39 # seems to work better I will say :) 03.21.12 Join temfate [0] (temfate@12-208-243-31.client.attbi.com) 03.23.51 Quit temfate (Client Quit) 03.25.20 Quit TemptedFate (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 03.25.26 Quit BoD[] ("arlaprlprlprfl") 03.25.44 *** Alert Mode OFF 03.28.56 Join temfate [0] (temfate@12-208-243-31.client.attbi.com) 03.29.08 # so how did it work? 03.37.53 # hey, yeah works fine.. no problems anymore.. with minor hacking of the make file I can compile 03.38.42 # thanks 03.38.46 # no prob. 03.39.17 # anyway its 3:40 here... I better get to bed now.. 03.39.33 Ctcp Ignored 2 channel CTCP requests in 9 minutes and 36 seconds at the last flood 03.39.33 # * arbrab is AFK, ZzZZzzZZzzzZzzzzz —I-n-v-i-s-i-o-n— 03.57.19 # hmm 04.23.03 Join TemptedFate [0] (temfate@12-208-243-31.client.attbi.com) 04.23.12 Quit TemptedFate (Client Quit) 04.31.20 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.31.36 Quit temfate (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 04.39.21 # hey just noticed the fm recorder doesn't have a warranty sticker over any of the screws or anything 04.46.41 Join Guest1 [0] (~jirc@12-226-215-220.client.attbi.com) 04.48.11 Quit Guest1 (Client Quit) 05.30.16 Join TemptedFate [0] (temfate@12-208-243-31.client.attbi.com) 05.30.27 # take it apart yet? 05.33.09 # no.. heh 05.33.14 # no reason to 05.34.56 # sure there is... void any warranty it might have had! :) 05.35.16 # heh 05.36.47 # so in this code you sent me; how does it know what amplitude it's at? There's no ramp up; just 10101010...................... 05.37.16 # huh? 05.37.16 Nick TemptedFate is now known as Temfate (temfate@12-208-243-31.client.attbi.com) 05.37.19 # it seems like it's relative 05.37.20 # heh 05.37.50 # I mean when you convert dsd to pcm; what's the diff from 5 hz to 2600hz? (!) 05.38.15 # that code makes it all 101010........... 05.38.21 # heh 05.38.25 # no it doesn't 05.38.33 # don't you need a ramp to get it to the right freq? 05.38.39 # there is 05.38.46 # it's just too subtle to see a lot of the time 05.38.47 # ie. 11111111111111111111101010101? 05.39.32 # remember each digit represents 1 2,824,400th of a second 05.40.08 # if you wanna keep a smooth sine at a reasonable amplitude you're gonna have a lot of 010101's between incriments/decriments 05.40.17 # for many frequencies 05.41.23 # up the amplitude 05.41.29 # and you'll see more solid blocks of 1's and 0's 05.41.32 # hmmm... but even when I set it for like 20,000hz it just starts with 010101010101.... Doesn't seem right. 05.43.25 # actually it starts with 1010101011 05.43.38 # and continues to 01011010101011 05.44.17 # you see there's gotta be 0101's between the incriments to keep the ramp at the right angle 05.44.34 # so it doesn't just go straight up and straight down 05.45.11 # try it with an amplitude of 0.000005 05.46.12 # i should probably do some math on the amplitude range to make it a little more friendly and usable 05.46.23 # but eh :p 05.46.48 # seriously; I never get anything other than 10101010 and on and on... never a double 1 or 0. 05.47.11 # Maybe it's cause my compiler doesn't support snprintf. 05.47.18 # I switched it to sprintf 05.47.27 # hmm 05.47.32 # but that shouldn't do it. 05.48.18 # dsd 20000 1 0.000005 > 1 (what I sent) 05.48.35 # when I then check the file "1" there is just pure 1010101..................... 05.48.49 # well 05.49.07 # then it's thinking that the amplitudes are always equal 05.49.30 # try with an amp of 1 05.50.08 # question... Well more of a suggestion. If you write to a binary file it'll take up 1/8th the space! 05.50.08 # time is a float too so you can give like 0.0001 for friendly terminal output heh 05.50.31 # yes thats too-be-implimented 05.50.50 # at some point in the past i wrote a couple progs that took a binary file and output a stream of 1's and 0's and vice versa 05.51.11 # so currently i just use the one that takes the stream of 1's and 0's and converts to the binary to put it in a binary file if i want to heh 05.51.33 # ah... no to mention this way you can read it with a hex editor... 05.52.05 # i just haven't bothered to put the code from that prog into this one yet 05.52.36 # i'm not sure how to handle endianess when all i want is a serial bit stream 05.52.53 # tis easy enough; change fopen("foo.foo", "w") to fopen("foo.foo","wb"); 05.53.36 # whats that? 05.53.44 # what's what? 05.53.51 # oh wait 05.53.57 # (Other 05.53.57 # systems may treat text files and binary files differently, 05.53.57 # and adding the ``b'' may be a good idea if you do I/O to a 05.53.57 DBUG Enqueued KICK PsycoXul 05.53.57 # binary file and expect that your program may be ported to 05.53.57 # non-Unix environments.) 05.54.10 # heh 05.54.29 # :) 05.54.36 # standard ansi c 05.54.43 # This is strictly for compatibility with ANSI X3.159-1989 05.54.43 # (``ANSI C'') and has no effect; the ``b'' is ignored on 05.54.43 # all POSIX conforming systems, including Linux. 05.55.08 # ansi rulez man. 05.55.12 # :) 05.55.17 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 05.55.17 # * PsycoXul does more to discourage windows use than to cater to it 05.55.18 *** Alert Mode level 1 05.55.18 # :p 05.55.36 # that way it can be ported to mac... YUCK! 05.55.57 # hey OS X is a POSIX conforming system 05.56.03 # anything earlier's not worth mentioning :p 05.56.14 # true; but only on top of apple crapware. 05.56.43 # I like their hardware; but want a true unix for it... no apple bios. 05.56.55 # heh 05.57.06 # I could use a good 64 bit proc 05.57.16 # *shrug* 05.57.18 # though I'd get it trouble with it. 05.57.24 # seemed pretty comfortable the littble bit i used it in store displays 05.57.41 # open up a term and ps, locate, bash, etc were all there so i was happy 05.57.42 # heh 05.58.05 # you mean the linux clone? yeah; I crapped it out with some command... Don't remember what but the /dev stuff doesn't work quite right. 05.58.21 # linux clone? 05.58.27 # it's based on a bsd 05.58.27 # heh 05.58.40 # unix/linux/bsd whatever; runs on top of macos? 05.58.48 # fbsd i think 05.59.03 # no 05.59.04 # I did like a opacity settings though... 05.59.06 # macos runs on top of it 05.59.07 # :p 05.59.13 # it's darwin actualy 05.59.20 # which is apple's modification of the freebsd kernel 05.59.22 # iirc 05.59.35 # or is it openbsd 05.59.38 # one of them 05.59.38 # heh 05.59.59 # anyway, the macos-ishness of it is just the UI 06.00.03 # deep down inside it's a unix 06.00.29 # hmm... might have to go look at them some more... But I need to sell a machine or two first. 06.00.35 # hehe 06.00.41 # my mom wants to get a powerbook 06.00.45 # but they're so expensive 06.00.50 # agreed. 06.00.53 # i'll be happy when she finally does though 06.01.01 # she'll be much happier on OS X than XP 06.01.02 # heh 06.01.33 # now now, although I bash microsoft just as much as the next guy; so far XP has less updates than Redhat 8.1 06.01.45 # so you have to give em 1 point... 06.01.48 # no 06.01.50 # 10,000 to linux though. 06.01.52 # i just subtract a point from redhat 06.01.53 # :p 06.02.15 # distro's annoy me since i went through the linux from scratch book 06.02.40 # I mainly run windows on this box for compatibility to my work network... I keep trying to tell em to use linux but damn ITG never does... 06.02.42 # all them dependancies and loaded with useless crap and the lowest-common-denominator syndrome 06.03.08 # are you running bitchx I take it? 06.03.18 # of the distros i like debian best, but when i installed it last weekend i was getting frustrated with it's dependancy crap 06.03.34 # but too much work to build a system from scratch on a box thats just for doing recording heh 06.03.37 # no 06.03.37 # bitchx sucks 06.03.39 # bloated POS 06.03.40 # heh 06.03.46 # i use irssi 06.04.01 # faster, more stable, more capable, and more flexible than bitchx 06.04.02 # I liked slackware most for a long time; but am now using redhat8.1 and going to try that gentoo soon. 06.04.12 # i haven't tried gentoo 06.04.18 # irssi, I'll have to go look. 06.04.26 # i like the idea though 06.04.45 # yea, I just don't want to download another 3 cd's anytime soon. 06.04.49 # they're not the first to have done such a thing, but i guess their specific system mimicking freebsd's system attracted a lot of people 06.04.51 # takes like an entire day. 06.04.58 # heh 06.05.04 # debian i just do a network install 06.05.16 # cd/iso's are obsolete by the time they're released anyway 06.05.19 *** Alert Mode OFF 06.05.24 # guess I could do a nfs install. haven't done that for a long time. 06.05.36 # once you're done installing you just do an apt-get update and apt-get upgrade and you gotta redownload most of it anyway 06.05.40 # heh 06.05.54 # so might as well go with the ftp/http sources to start with 06.05.54 # true 06.06.50 # so what part of the world you in? 06.06.56 # california 06.07.09 # I'm one of the snowed in people here in the blizzard called Denver. 06.07.10 # :) 06.07.14 # heeh 06.07.27 # 4 feet in the last 3 days 06.07.39 # i lived in flagstaff arizona in 2000 06.07.54 # i left in january 2001 06.07.54 # cool. What part of CA? I grew up in Torrance. 06.08.00 # colton 06.08.09 # dunno where that is. 06.08.12 # near rialto 06.08.22 # got me there too. 06.08.31 # not far from san bernardino 06.08.34 # I suck at geography. 06.08.42 # ok; that one I know. 06.09.12 # heh 06.09.21 # do you use wine? 06.09.25 # i have.. 06.09.29 # i don't very often 06.09.32 # i rarely have a need for it 06.09.35 # how good is it? 06.09.43 # depends on what you want it for 06.09.52 # it runs lots of stuff decently enough for the uses i have of it 06.10.06 # a few programs I can't get away from mainly... 06.10.09 # i guess it runs many games pretty well 06.10.14 # especialy winex 06.10.23 # a lot of simple things work perfectly 06.10.29 # I don't really care about games... what's winex? 06.10.34 # Windows Explorer? 06.10.45 # winex is a project by a commercial company 06.10.52 # they added better directx support to wine 06.10.58 # and release their own version called winex 06.11.03 # ah; ok... so it's commercial? 06.11.09 # you can buy "official" binaries which come with support 06.11.15 # or you can freely download the cvs and build your own 06.11.28 # oh; so it's still open source though? 06.11.44 # some people seem to think the commercial version has something the free version does, but i don't know if thats true or not 06.11.49 # Maybe I'll kill my test lab machine and try gentoo with wine tomorrow. 06.11.51 # er that the free version doesn't rather 06.12.49 # I'm getting really tired of microsoft outlook crashing... 06.12.55 # heh 06.12.58 # try evolution 06.12.59 # I just need some windows apps. 06.13.06 # That's what I use in linux. 06.13.09 # ah ok 06.14.03 # out of curiousity how do you mount the archos in linux? just like any usb hd? 06.14.18 # i dunno i never used any other usb hd 06.14.31 # but yeah i just modprobe sd_mod and usb-storage and then mount /dev/sda1 06.14.50 # cool. 06.14.51 # well my studio20 was sda, my fm recorder's sdb for some reason 06.14.57 # heh 06.15.26 # odd... maybe the system added a node in /dev already for the studio with a diff dev id? 06.15.43 # so it reverted to the next. 06.15.47 # that's my guess 06.16.32 # maybe 06.16.45 # i did still have the modules loaded from the last time i mounted the studio 06.17.43 # but yeah my binary code'll probably use 06.17.50 # char bin2dec(char *s) { 06.17.51 # what the heck is this png graphic format? 06.17.52 # char r=0; 06.17.54 # for (; *s; r = (r<<1) | (*s++ - '0')); 06.17.55 # return r; } 06.18.20 # and then still printf the binary output to stdout 06.18.46 # since it's easier than having code for file writing and easier for users who'd wanna pipe it's output to something anyway 06.19.14 # and putting it in a file is just a > addition to the commandline so it's better overall heh 06.19.45 # if windows can't handle that, then windows users can worry about it :p 06.19.57 # well; printf'ing it will still only result in a 8 bit character though. 06.20.11 # thus still 8 times the size. 06.20.17 # it's not like i'm ever gonna provide compiled windows binaries anyway heh 06.20.23 # true. 06.20.29 # uh 06.20.33 # hows that make it 8 times the size? 06.20.37 # besides as long as you have the disc space is doesn't matter. 06.20.39 # it's printf'ing binary chars 06.20.52 # 1 bit take 8 bits as a full char. 06.20.55 # it'll be 8 bits in each char it's printf'ing out 06.21.26 # Temfate: no thats how it does it currently 06.21.41 # the way i will do it will be stuffing 8 bits into a char and then printf'ing out that char 06.21.51 # oh; missed that.. thanks. 06.22.29 # thats what 06.22.30 # char bin2dec(char *s) { 06.22.30 # char r=0; 06.22.30 # for (; *s; r = (r<<1) | (*s++ - '0')); 06.22.30 # return r; } 06.22.32 # is for 06.22.46 # you give it a string of 8 1's and 0's 06.22.52 # and it gives you back a char 06.22.53 # heh 06.24.09 # where'd you rip it from? Curious. 06.24.43 # i dunno 06.24.47 # found it on google somewhere i think 06.25.54 # ah... I saw it in some unique code once so I was curious. something to do with writing bytes to a smartcard. 06.26.40 # heh weird 06.31.24 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.41.20 # haha 06.41.25 # Courtesy of Rick Mercer, from "This Hour Has 22 Minutes," on CBC [i.e. government-owned] television: 06.41.29 # On behalf of Canadians everywhere I'd like to offer an apology to the United States of America. We haven't been getting along very well recently and for that, I am truly sorry. 06.41.33 # I'm sorry we called George Bush a moron. He is a moron but, it wasn't nice of us to point it out. If it's any consolation, the fact that he's a moron shouldn't reflect poorly on the people of America. After all it's not like you actually elected him. 06.41.42 # I'm sorry about your beer. I know we had nothing to do with your beer but, we feel your pain. 06.41.53 # I'm sorry about our waffling on Iraq. I mean, when you're going up against a crazed dictator, you wanna have your friends by your side. I realize it took more than two years before you guys pitched in against Hitler, but that was different. Everyone knew he had weapons. 07.21.29 # you have a url for that? 07.22.05 # and regarding the 2 year thing.. my only response to canada about that was "you went for the same reason australia did... you're britains bitches" :) 07.27.19 Join krush02 [0] (~anonymous@bementil-117.illinois.prairieinet.net) 07.40.05 Quit Temfate (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.48.20 # heh 07.59.43 #