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00.00.06 #       <adi|work> true
00.00.28 #       <MT> hmm
00.00.43 #       <Bagder> soooooon
00.01.11 #       <tracktheripper> I read that the "make the normal Recorder pick up FM" was officially "the most outrageous request" on here
00.02.14 #       <tracktheripper> Anyways im off to have a shower be back here soon :-)
00.02.28 #       <MT> i need to get sieve working on my mail server :/
00.02.50 #       <MT> its too hard being 56k again :/
00.02.55 #       <tracktheripper> lol
00.02.58 #       <tracktheripper> be back soon
00.04.57 #       <Bagder> night
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00.15.35 #       <tracktheripper> Adidimas?
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00.17.49 #       <adi|work> yeah?
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00.28.31 #       <elinenbe> I love the Doom port -- I already passed the first level!
00.28.33 #       <elinenbe> woo hoo!
00.28.38 #       <adi|work> LOL
00.31.34 #       <elinenbe> man -- the second level is hard.
00.31.46 #       <elinenbe> I can't believe this is why there were no commits in the past week.
00.31.50 #       <adi|work> thats only because there are that many more monsters..
00.31.51 #       <adi|work> nods
00.32.00 #       <elinenbe> they were working on the best program EVER!
00.34.38 #       <MT> eh?
00.34.46 #       <MT> it really was a doom port?
00.34.49 #       <adi|work> nods
00.34.52 #       <adi|work> go download it...
00.35.07 #       <MT> nah, bedtime for me
00.35.17 #       <MT> frustrated and annoyed at cyrus atm :)
00.36.22 #       <MT> i compile -games anyway
00.36.23 #       <MT> heh
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00.49.22 #       <adam> wow.
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01.30.53 #       <josh966> anyone have the remote control?
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03.39.38 #       <adam> hmm
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04.13.04 #       <RedLeg> reetings
04.13.38 #       <RedLeg> Anybody Awake?
04.16.11 #       <RedLeg> I'm having an apparent hardware problem with my recorder20
04.16.19 #       <RedLeg> Can anyone assist?
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06.05.20 #       <adam> woo
06.07.55 #       <adam> hmm
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06.07.59 #       <adam> the U must be sucking in the bandwidth department
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06.56.48 #       <adam> heh
06.58.35 #       * adam hoses with cygwin
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07.53.14 #       <adam> hey
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08.04.01 #       <Bagder> mornings
08.15.37 Mode    "#rockbox +o Bagder " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
08.15.51 Topic   "Doom for Archos on http://rockbox.haxx.se/doom/" by Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se)
08.16.04 #       <adi|home> heheh
08.16.07 Mode    "#rockbox +o logbot " by Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se)
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08.16.17 #       <Bagder> :-)
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08.22.56 #       <adam> heh
08.23.39 #       <Bagder> I'm glad to see so many downloads
08.26.26 #       <adam> they will never suspect a thing
08.26.32 #       <adam> I was just impressed by the filesize... :p
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08.31.08 #       <PsycoXul> blah :p
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08.31.29 #       <PsycoXul> blah :p
08.32.00 #       <adam> my roommate is snoring again
08.32.06 #       <PsycoXul> er wtf.. heh
08.32.15 #       * adam needs some cone of silence like old Get Smart eps
08.36.31 #       <adam> http://rei.damnsw.net/~adam/rei.jpg
08.36.35 #       <adam> This is my life, in a nutshell
08.37.00 #       <adam> http://rei.damnsw.net/~adam/i_get_this_alot.jpg
08.38.35 #       * adam notes he wishes the archos default firmware would let him load other ones :p
08.38.43 #       <adam> then I could just switch between them
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08.39.46 #       <Bagder> morning mats
08.39.50 #       <adam> on another note
08.39.51 #       <adam> hey mats
08.39.58 #       * adam will finally have his USB2 card :P
08.40.06 #       <matsl> hi bag
08.40.11 #       <matsl> hi adam
08.40.13 #       <Bagder> usb2 is neat
08.40.28 #       <adam> I don't know what kind of speed increases to expect
08.40.31 #       <adam> they said something like 40x
08.40.37 #       <adam> so I'll automagically refigure that
08.40.42 #       <adam> to two or three times faster ;p
08.41.00 #       <Bagder> you'll notice quite a diff at least, I promise
08.41.09 #       <adam> yeah
08.41.23 #       <adam> heh
08.41.37 #       <adam> I seriously see no reason why people, outside of encoding digital video, are buying high mhz machines
08.41.49 #       <adam> my buddy has a dual athlon system
08.41.52 #       <adam> asides from compiling kernels
08.41.55 #       <adam> it's almost always idle
08.41.57 #       <Bagder> they play games! ;-)
08.42.03 #       <adam> yeah
08.42.04 #       <adam> except
08.42.08 #       <Bagder> oh, and run rc5-72 clients!
08.42.09 #       <adam> what games require that much cpu overhead?
08.42.15 #       <adam> uh
08.42.15 #       <Bagder> true
08.42.19 #       <adam> if that doesn't make any money
08.42.21 #       <Bagder> they mostly require graphics
08.42.22 #       <adam> I see no point to doing it
08.42.37 #       <adam> yeah, and graphics are handled by my little Radeon 9000 :P
08.42.52 #       <adam> the poor mans Radeon
08.43.18 #       <adam> well, I've got pointless TV-out functions in duplex
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08.43.33 #       <adam> the dxr3 card (works in linux, yay), and the Radeon itself
08.43.39 #       <dwihno> Hello! :D
08.43.42 #       <adam> hey
08.43.47 #       <Bagder> hi dwihno
08.44.13 #       <dwihno> I just love tuesdays
08.44.21 #       <dwihno> (= the monday is history!) :)
08.44.26 #       * adam has class in 7 hours
08.45.02 #       <adam> How did they extract such a large increase in performance with USB2?
08.45.05 #       <dwihno> Where's Zagor? He is still asleep? :)
08.45.31 #       <dwihno> adam: they fitted more midgets in the circuits :)
08.45.31 #       <adam> just using higher throughput all across the board?
08.45.42 #       <Bagder> no idea
08.46.01 #       * adam is eager to be able to copy files, to his archos.
08.46.01 #       <adam> :P
08.46.12 #       <adam> rather than wait 80 minutes for 4 gigs to fly across
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08.48.15 #       <dwihno> adam: well, USB2 is really kickass :)
08.48.22 #       <adam> yeah
08.48.23 #       <adam> I hope so
08.48.53 #       <adam> Linux support EHCI yet?
08.49.08 #       <Bagder> sure
08.49.14 #       <adam> good.
08.49.31 #       <adam> I'm discouraged by recent debian images
08.49.38 #       <Bagder> since 2.4.19, and before that with patches
08.49.49 #       <adam> the bootfloppy kernel seems to hang with my hard drive
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08.49.59 #       <adam> but hey
08.50.05 #       <adam> Mandrake gets around that
08.50.11 #       <adam> so it's not a problem with the drive per se
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08.51.36 #       <dwihno> USB2 = fast, yumyum
08.51.44 #       <dwihno> I never realized I needed it before I bought it.
08.51.49 #       <adam> you should be a marketer
08.51.59 #       <dwihno> I actually had 3 USB2 devices before I got my USB2 card :)
08.52.05 #       <adam> cameras?
08.52.18 #       * adam has his goofy new recorder FM
08.52.29 #       <adam> I prefer the LiIon to the NiMH for only one reason
08.52.30 #       <adam> weight
08.52.38 #       <dwihno> Not really. My archos, an external closure for my 3.5" disk and an external 2.5" enclosure for the "old" archos disk :)
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08.52.53 #       <adam> yeah
08.53.05 #       <adam> I was looking at enclosures myself
08.53.08 #       <adam> that's a good idea
08.53.12 #       <adam> if I can't sell my old studio 20
08.53.18 #       <adam> I'll just take the drive out :p
08.53.24 #       <dwihno> I only got a laptop, so having extra disks is a bit jobbish ;)
08.54.35 #       <adam> yeah
08.54.37 #       <adam> that's a good idea
08.54.49 #       <adam> just need to find some more cash ;P
08.56.55 #       <dwihno> I got a new set of contact lenses the other day
08.57.07 #       <dwihno> hello vision, goodbye money :(
08.57.13 #       <adam> heh
08.57.22 #       <adam> how much will a decent enclosure cost, for 9.5mm?
08.57.53 #       <dwihno> I'll show you what I got. W8 a sec.
08.58.27 #       <dwihno> http://www.emagictech.com.tw/fd6252-1.htm
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08.59.01 #       <dwihno> 870e
08.59.12 #       <adam> what'd it cost?
08.59.17 #       <adam> http://fwdepot.com/thestore/product_info.php?products_id=278
08.59.21 #       <adam> this one looks decent
08.59.59 #       <adam> I like the plug and play aspect
09.04.02 #       <adam> heh
09.04.11 #       <adam> USB1 for all my joysticks, mice, keyboards, and crap :P
09.04.15 #       <adam> since I already have the hub and all
09.04.22 #       <adam> I can use 2 for mad storage
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09.06.46 #       <dwihno> :)
09.06.50 #       <dwihno> Mad storage :D
09.07.03 #       <adam> yeah
09.07.07 #       <dwihno> I got the munchies for another USB2-disk
09.07.10 #       <adam> if I pickup a laptop in the near future
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09.07.20 #       <dwihno> The best part is the compatibility with the old interface.
09.07.30 #       <adam> yeah
09.07.38 #       <adam> and it's common on new boxes
09.07.42 #       <adam> not hard to add to old
09.07.46 #       <adam> like in my case :p
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09.07.49 #       <adam> my 800mhz PIII
09.07.51 #       <adam> wooo :p
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09.08.19 #       <adam> very rarely do I run into a task so daunting it requires *more*
09.08.44 #       <adam> just spending cash on important stuff like hard drives, and food
09.09.27 #       <dwihno> :D
09.09.40 #       <adam> hmm
09.09.51 #       <adam> wow, laptops with 3 ghz processors
09.09.55 #       <adam> I can see it now
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09.10.00 #       <adam> a bright red spot near the center
09.10.06 #       <adam> like ET, except it can cause minor burns
09.10.09 #       <dwihno> Zagor: Hello! Do I got news for you! :) The build seems a bit more solid. I still encountered the no sound until next disk read issue, but it didn't hang.
09.10.22 #       <Zagor> goodie
09.10.29 #       <Bagder> big step forward
09.10.35 #       <adam> no sound until next disk read issue
09.10.38 #       <adam> I've ran into that with the FM
09.10.46 #       <Zagor> please take note about the no sound issue. there is no "next disk read". it's something else.
09.10.48 #       <adam> Bagder - you sound like a Chinese communist with that ;p
09.11.01 #       * adam puts thousands of peasants to work in a commune
09.11.03 #       <Bagder> damn, I blew my cover
09.11.06 #       <dwihno> Zagor: it stays silent until next disk read! :)
09.11.42 #       <adam> how much of Intel's new "CENTRINO" hype actually reflect on reality?
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09.13.23 #       <Zagor> dwihno: of course it does. but when does the next read happen, and why?
09.13.55 #       <adam> Zagor: changing songs?
09.13.57 #       <Bagder> viewing the debug mpeg thread screen while silent could be interesting
09.14.15 #       <Zagor> yes
09.14.34 #       <adam> arg, what mAh are the LiIon batteries in the FM recorder, per default?
09.14.52 #       <dwihno> Zagor: I'll try to check that out today, and give you juicy details :)
09.15.06 #       <Zagor> dwihno: good
09.15.53 #       <dwihno> Zagor: Just out of curiosity, what is changed in your test build?
09.16.47 #       <Zagor> dwihno: a couple of things. I added a 400ns delay between two register accesses, and fixed a possible spindowm timeout issue
09.18.13 #       <dwihno> Zagor: The delay is a part of the ATA specs?
09.18.18 #       <Zagor> yes
09.19.00 #       <dwihno> Perhaps you should check in the changes, allowing more people to test it.
09.19.11 #       <dwihno> heh
09.19.15 #       <dwihno> You're way ahead of me :)
09.20.45 #       <Zagor> :-)
09.24.30 #       <dwihno> Should 250 gig be "enough for everyone"?
09.24.41 #       <adam> dwihno - no
09.24.53 #       <adam> ;p
09.25.00 #       <Bagder> not for the video-recording inclined people ;-)
09.25.15 #       <adam> or those with no concept of 'archiving'
09.26.02 #       * adam is fine with a collection of drives ranging from 80 to 30 :p
09.26.22 #       <adam> I suppose the archos fm is a decent 20 gig, since it actually has throughput
09.26.36 #       <adam> I feel sorry for my friend who used a USB 1.1 drive for years :P
09.27.37 #       <adam> why in god's name are laptops still including diskette drives
09.27.54 #       <adam> who, other than people who live in 1987 still use the goddamn things
09.28.11 #       <Bagder> when the network breaks down ;-)
09.29.00 #       <adam> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/2826587.stm
09.29.08 #       <dwihno> :)
09.29.11 #       <adam> Bagder - I use guided wires
09.29.13 #       <adam> they are unstoppable
09.29.18 #       <adam> except by wire cutters
09.29.22 #       <dwihno> adam: I like floppies :)
09.29.25 #       <adam> yes
09.29.30 #       <dwihno> My notebook has everything
09.29.32 #       <dwihno> (except DVD)
09.29.35 #       <adam> when you need to pull off some Bourne Identity styled ninja work
09.29.37 #       <adam> dude
09.29.42 #       <adam> "except DVD"
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09.29.54 #       <dwihno> Who needs DVD? :)
09.30.08 #       <adam> I get dvd-rws from people
09.30.16 #       <adam> so I do :p
09.30.23 #       <dwihno> Hah
09.30.23 #       <adam> I don't get floppies.
09.30.33 #       <dwihno> Floppies rule!
09.30.35 #       <adam> but yeah, I can see where you'd need one
09.30.43 #       <adam> yes, they've lingered on
09.30.50 #       <adam> but they're overpriced, and totally pointless
09.30.58 #       <dwihno> Yeah.
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09.31.08 #       <dwihno> At least, CD's are better.
09.31.10 #       <adam> it's just a matter of user behavior
09.31.19 #       <adam> CDs, I do agree, are superior, in a few ways
09.31.29 #       * adam just uses network :p
09.31.38 #       <dwihno> Let's say you don't have a network :)
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09.32.29 #       <quelsaruk> Bagder: doom is not a joke??
09.32.43 #       <adam> heh
09.32.47 #       <Bagder> why would it be a joke?
09.32.52 #       <adam> no, it's great
09.33.00 #       <adam> I just find the controls a bit difficult to get used to
09.33.15 #       <quelsaruk> maybe 'cause you're swedish and had some contact with a crazy spanish guy??
09.33.29 #       <dwihno> quel! :D
09.33.34 #       <Bagder> good point!
09.33.46 #       <quelsaruk> morning dwihno!
09.33.52 #       <dwihno> Bagder: You rule so badly! :D
09.34.13 #       * Bagder blushes
09.34.17 #       <quelsaruk> i'm going to test it right now then!!
09.34.58 #       <Zagor> "Man, I got to the third level before I figured it out..." :-)
09.34.58 #       * adam wants a desktop replacement notebook...
09.35.32 #       <dwihno> Any of you guys know the temperature diff between 5400 and 7200 rpm drives?
09.35.46 #       <Zagor> 12.2 degrees
09.35.51 #       <quelsaruk> hot and hoter??
09.35.55 #       <quelsaruk> hotter
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09.37.03 #       <adam> mmm
09.37.10 #       <adam> they have the machine for me
09.37.51 #       <adam> heavy as hell, massive screen, dvd-rw, and an outdated ATI graphics card
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09.39.46 #       <Bagder> btw, sf.net is screwed up atm in the member admin department
09.39.58 #       <Zagor> ok
09.40.01 #       <Bagder> we can't add members atm
09.40.12 #       <Bagder> I've filed a bug report
09.40.43 #       <Bagder> it seems to concern the whole site as I have very simimlar problems in curl too
09.41.51 #       <adam> well
09.41.55 #       <adam> goodnight everyone
09.42.02 #       <adam> I've sworn off caffeine forever
09.42.09 #       <adam> so I'll have to do without that in the morning
09.42.11 #       <adam> that requires sleep
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09.55.56 #       <Zagor> ken0 is a strange fellow. has anyone ever actually seen him online?
09.56.04 #       <dwihno> hm
09.56.07 #       <dwihno> secret spy from archos?
09.56.20 #       <Zagor> haha
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10.00.16 #       <dwihno> keno got you! :)
10.00.22 #       <dwihno> Kung keno! Lett å vinne
10.02.50 #       <thu> darn
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10.02.59 #       <thu> did anybody here have problems with umounting an archos?
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10.03.11 #       <thu> umounts hangs and there's no way to kill it
10.03.46 #       <Bagder> nope
10.04.09 #       <Zagor> thu: what did you do before unmounting?
10.05.11 #       <thu> Zagor: nothing much.. mount it and copy rockbox
10.05.16 #       <thu> it hangs every time I try to umount
10.05.38 #       <thu> and btw rockbox has a really dark screen on my fm juke
10.05.47 #       <thu> with weird vertical lines
10.05.49 #       <Bagder> change contrast
10.05.53 #       <thu> yeah
10.05.57 #       <thu> first i need to charge my batt
10.06.07 #       <thu> anyway.. about my umount problem
10.06.18 #       <thu> is there any way to kill the  process if it's gone crazy?
10.06.27 #       <Zagor> thu: are you using usb1 or usb2 ?
10.06.45 #       <thu> a few mins ago my usb2 seemed dead
10.06.48 #       <thu> so I moved it on usb1
10.06.56 #       <Zagor> ok. how long has it been hung?
10.07.01 #       <thu> a few mins
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10.07.19 #       <Zagor> that's normal for a 20gig disk over usb1
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10.07.56 #       <Zagor> it needs to read the entire FAT to find a free spot for the new file. that takes a while on the slow usb1 link.
10.08.26 #       <Zagor> I have meant to write a fix for that, but haven't done it yet.
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10.09.50 #       <thu> uhm.. what happens if I disconnected it? :)=)
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10.11.51 #       <Zagor> the file system could be corrupted, or simply the new file was never copied
10.12.05 #       <thu> rockbox seems to be on
10.12.12 #       <thu> after I pulled it off the cable
10.12.19 #       <Zagor> ok. dosfsck is advisable. although that will of course take even more time...
10.12.23 #       <thu> but umount is still 'running'
10.12.27 #       <thu> what about killing umount?
10.12.36 #       <Zagor> did you run kill on anything?
10.12.39 #       <Bagder> that request for an "ASCII Playable Rockbox In Line For Our Own Loser units" was kind of amusing
10.12.43 #       <thu> I tried to kill it
10.12.56 #       <thu> no result
10.13.29 #       <thu> btw what should one know to be able to work on something like rockbox?
10.13.50 #       <Zagor> C programming :-)
10.14.02 #       <adi|home> thu or how to read...
10.14.03 #       <Bagder> how to sacrifise goats at midnight!
10.14.04 #       <adi|home> reading is good...
10.14.09 #       <adi|home> because you can learn the rest...
10.14.23 #       <adi|home> oh.. and umm 'mail adi 100$'
10.14.24 #       <thu> well other than the language itself
10.14.26 #       <adi|home> thats good too
10.14.35 #       <thu> what libs/concepts/other info?
10.14.40 #       <adi|home> thu.. you really wanna help out?
10.14.41 #       <thu> just wondering
10.14.49 #       <thu> adi|home: I love my archos :)
10.14.58 #       <adi|home> the docs _really_ need updating
10.15.00 #       <thu> and I think rockbox is really cool
10.15.35 #       <adi|home> see thats the diff.. i _know_ it is :)
10.15.59 #       <thu> hehe
10.16.09 #       <Zagor> thu: we don't use other libs. rockbox is self-contained. embedded programming in general is good.
10.16.13 #       <thu> and I know my umount is frozen :\
10.16.33 #       <thu> Zagor: that's what I like about embedded programming.. once you make it work it just works
10.16.48 #       <thu> Zagor: no crazy deps or anything
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10.25.16 #       <langhaarrocker> ken0 looks like a script to me
10.25.47 #       <adi|home> shall we clean him up or let him be?
10.26.01 #       <Bagder> he seems harmless to me
10.26.04 #       <adi|home> nods
10.26.05 #       <adi|home> k
10.26.06 #       <adi|home>  :)
10.26.16 #       <adi|home> but i was refering to you bagder :)
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10.26.18 #       <adi|home> lol
10.26.23 #       * Bagder runs!
10.26.39 #       <adi|home> sure.. but youll never get elected
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10.27.03 #       <Bagder> not even in Florida? ;-)
10.27.04 #       <adi|home> so.. i had a thought today.
10.27.06 #       <adi|home> it hurt
10.27.11 #       <adi|home> lol@florida
10.27.27 #       * thu tries out doom
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10.28.03 #       <Bagder> after having run doom on your Archos, you're a better person!
10.28.42 #       <Bagder> too bad that second screenshot got a little blurry...
10.28.58 #       <adi|home> :)
10.29.26 #       <Schnueff> heh
10.31.17 #       <adi|home> im surprise goodle inst doing anything for april fools.
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10.33.46 #       <Bagder> ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc3514.txt
10.34.03 #       <Bagder> "the Evil Bit" is new in the IPv4 header ;-)
10.34.03 #       <adi|home> yeah.. i saw it :)
10.35.37 #       <adi|home> hehe
10.35.59 #       <adi|home> i thought the carrier pigeon ip was more creative last year :)
10.36.26 #       <Bagder> that's older than that
10.36.39 #       <Bagder> they only implemented it last year ;-)
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11.49.27 #       <tracktheripper> morning!
11.50.00 #       <langhaarrocker> moin
11.50.32 #       <tracktheripper> Just got one bug to report
11.50.34 #       <tracktheripper> be back in a min
11.55.20 #       <tracktheripper> done :-)
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12.36.11 #       <langhaarrocker> lunch
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13.49.35 #       <Bagder> ken0 has gone completely nuts
13.50.30 #       <langhaarrocker> I think he has gone under score :)
13.50.41 #       <Bagder> yeah
13.53.52 #       <langhaarrocker> What a shame! Someone photographped me while landing in a corn field and published it!
13.53.52 #       <langhaarrocker> http://www.rheinlandflieger.dnsalias.com/Fotoalben/20020914_Melbecke/20020914-154538.jpg
13.54.59 #       <Bagder> :-)
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13.55.38 #       <Zagor> langhaarrocker: have you tried the new disk code lately?
13.55.46 #       <langhaarrocker> not yet
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14.00.13 #       <langhaarrocker> I seem to have a hd problem. The thing doesn't boot rockbox.
14.02.04 #       <Zagor> uh, bad
14.02.55 #       <langhaarrocker> This morning I accitently tried to boot on flat batteries. I hope that didn't hurt.
14.04.20 #       * langhaarrocker backs up data
14.17.05 #       <Bagder> "I hope there will be more levels in time, I finished the existing ones in 2 hours..."
14.17.15 #       <Bagder> (comment on funmp3players)
14.17.23 #       <Zagor> hehe
14.18.04 #       <langhaarrocker> Mark the author. In the near future he'll be complaining that his buttons are broken.
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14.18.12 #       <Acathla_> hi
14.18.18 #       <langhaarrocker> lo
14.18.18 #       <Bagder> 'lo
14.18.27 #       * langhaarrocker was faster :)
14.18.38 #       <Acathla_> :)
14.19.17 #       <Bagder> hey its IRC, in my end my line came first! ;-)
14.19.45 #       <langhaarrocker> Do you have a lifo irc client?
14.20.04 #       <Acathla_> i've got a "not_recharging_anymore_archos_player", and i don't think i'm the first...
14.20.06 #       <Bagder> I'm sorry, you don't make any sense when you talk backwards
14.20.08 #       <Bagder> :-P
14.20.49 #       <Bagder> Acathla_: 1) return it on your warranty 2) buy an external charger
14.21.02 #       <Acathla_> not underwarranty
14.21.18 #       <langhaarrocker> 3) maybe your batteries are old, flat and dead -> replace the batteries?
14.21.19 #       <Acathla_> and i'de prefer to repair it
14.21.56 #       <Acathla_> i've only found the recorder electrical schematic, but it's seems similar...
14.22.07 #       <langhaarrocker> not concerning the charging
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14.22.34 #       <Acathla_> at least near the first DC-DC chip
14.22.36 #       <langhaarrocker> the player has a designated charging circuit while the charging algorithm of the recorder is done in software.
14.23.57 #       <Acathla_> noone has draw the schematics for the player ?
14.24.55 #       <langhaarrocker> Pah. As a recorder owner I never bothered with players. :)
14.25.09 #       <Acathla_> :)
14.26.09 #       <Acathla_> i'll buy a MC34063 and change it, it seems to be in cause
14.26.42 #       * langhaarrocker is puzzled that scandisk doesn't find any errors.
14.30.20 #       <quel|out> langhaarrocker: i told you.. use the goats....
14.30.21 #       <quel|out> ;)
14.30.48 #       * langhaarrocker strangulates the white plastic goat.
14.32.07 #       <langhaarrocker> seems to work. I just entered red led death.
14.36.04 #       <quel|out> great!
14.36.17 #       <quel|out> next time, try black goat
14.36.39 #       <quel|out> the dark side of the source is stronger ;)
14.36.43 #       <langhaarrocker> yea
14.37.03 #       <quel|out> lunch time
14.37.13 #       <quel|out> cu later langhaarrocker!
14.37.19 #       <langhaarrocker> cu
14.37.39 #       <langhaarrocker> Zagor: some time after red led death my jukebox returns to the browser with led off. When I try to start another track it enters red led death right away.
14.38.15 #       <langhaarrocker> ui seems to be frozen. I can't enter the menu.
14.38.39 #       <langhaarrocker> (But light will turn on on button press)
14.39.18 #       <Zagor> langhaarrocker: so, basically, no difference?
14.39.28 #       <langhaarrocker> no. not really
14.39.34 #       <Zagor> :-(
14.44.24 #       <langhaarrocker> But I think that there are variants of red led death. Now I entered a variant where the led flashes off occasionally. The progress bar moves but no sound.
14.44.42 #       <Zagor> flashes off?
14.45.14 #       <langhaarrocker> ok. Now it stopped moving, no more flashing off. 
14.45.14 #       <langhaarrocker> flash off = led is on and turns off for a fraction of a second.
14.45.50 #       <Zagor> that indicates the mpeg thread is trying to read stuff, but fails
14.47.11 #       <langhaarrocker> So while flashing of the controler seems to receive ata commands? But why does it freeze then? I wasn't shaking the thing any more then.
14.49.00 #       * langhaarrocker 's recorder has a concussion
14.49.16 #       <Zagor> I don't know
14.52.29 #       <langhaarrocker> What about this theory: The drive cached some data which the mpeg thread could read out -> busy led. But when it ran out of data the drive didn't know where I shook its heads to. Searching for its heads the drive was so busy that the operations on the cache was slowed down so that it took serveral seconds so that I could notice the flashing? 
14.52.29 #       <langhaarrocker> Sounds like a stupid explanation
14.54.14 #       <langhaarrocker> Nah, the more I think about it the less I believe it.
14.55.08 #       <Zagor> "searching for its heads" is not something disks normally do, afaik :-)
14.56.08 #       <langhaarrocker> it was supposed to be a colorful description of finding the appropriate sector on the disk.
14.59.24 #       <Zagor> how long would you say each "off" flash is?
15.00.02 #       <langhaarrocker> just so long that is was noticable. Maybe 1/10 s.
15.00.43 #       <langhaarrocker> It occured once every three seconds, so round about
15.03.19 #       <langhaarrocker> during that phase I occasionally heared mechanical noises from the disk. Maybe it tried to sort out it's physical guts.
15.03.38 #       <Zagor> strange
15.04.31 #       <langhaarrocker> But I can't reproduce that again. Now I have the red lead death 'as usual'
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15.11.45 #       <langhaarrocker> Zagor: can't you implement a rpc ata interface? Then I could lend you my drive remote. :)
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15.13.30 #       <Zagor> hehe
15.14.03 #       <langhaarrocker> I wonder how many kens will appear.
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15.41.05 #       <Bagder> rehi
15.41.25 #       <Bagder> Dario's reply on the list sure made me laugh
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15.47.45 #       <Nomad__> Zagor_: the .mod you gave me yesterday shut off on the way home
15.47.51 #       <Nomad__> today's bleeding edge though worked great
15.48.21 #       <Zagor_> ok
15.48.30 #       <Nomad__> ~/remlog
15.48.35 #       <Zagor_> so we've improved a bit. but langhaarrocker still gets the led dead
15.48.36 #       <langhaarrocker> Zagor: don't trust him. It's first of April. :)
15.48.41 #       <Zagor_> :)
15.48.48 #       <Nomad__> on the way home yesterday ti kinda hung like normal about 75mph
15.48.52 #       <Nomad__> came back once
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15.49.02 #       <Nomad__> no, I've had my joke for the day and it wasn't a good one
15.49.41 #       <Nomad__> A hardcore Security guy did the ole "ok, I'm fed up with how much pos windows guys make when I have to fight tooth and nail for a paycheck, I'm converting and making hte cach I deserve" type post
15.49.46 #       <Nomad__> wasn't funny
15.49.49 #       <Nomad__> wasn't funny at all...
15.50.25 #       <Nomad__> anyway when I hit 75 it hung up, a few mins later it kinda clicked like a skipping CD then went silent again for a while then it shut off
15.50.48 #       <Nomad__> this morning it gave me it's nice quiet routine when I hit 75'ish then when I slowed down with traffic it kicked back in
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15.51.05 #       <Nomad__> got back up to speed and it went quiet again.  slowed down and it picked up again
15.51.07 #       <Nomad__> was great
15.53.03 #       <Zagor> do you have the archos in a pocket or inside your jacket?
15.53.40 #       <Nomad__> it's in a doulbe layed wrap of motherboard packing foam inside my pocket of my heavy leather jacket
15.53.53 #       <Nomad__> today it was on an inside check pocket, yesterday outside hip height
15.54.42 #       <Nomad__> I updated to the latest bleeding edge about 1.5hrs ago before heading in today
15.58.07 #       <Nomad__> just a thought
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15.58.32 #       <Nomad__> Could you have a "counter" that tracks the total # of consecutive failed read attempts (skips)
15.58.37 #       <Zagor> sure
15.58.44 #       <Nomad__> if it reaches X+1 skips drop the read speed?
15.59.00 #       <Nomad__> kinda like my CDR slows when ripping from a scrathced CD
15.59.16 #       <Nomad__> see where I'm going?
15.59.21 #       <Zagor> we don't have different speeds. the disk spins by itself.
15.59.36 #       <Nomad__> ok, didn't know if it was possible to slow it down or change it's mode
16.00.03 #       <Zagor> afaik it isn't
16.00.09 #       <Nomad__> would be great for situations where the drive is vibrating or constant bumping such as my motorcycle
16.00.13 #       <Zagor> yes
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16.01.44 #       <Zagor> he was getting annoying
16.02.05 #       * Bagder agrees
16.03.06 #       <langhaarrocker> which one of him? :)
16.03.37 #       * Bagder points to the annoying one. "that one"
16.03.49 #       <Zagor> the left one
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16.05.44 #       <langhaarrocker> lol
16.05.49 #       <Bagder> ken0_____: are you alive?
16.05.51 #       <langhaarrocker> ken0 for zombie!
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16.23.38 #       <quel|out> oh my god!
16.23.45 #       <quel|out> you're really crazy!
16.23.50 #       <quel|out> i was wrong
16.24.16 #       <quel|out> spanish are normal compared with all of you
16.24.29 #       * Bagder looks at quel|out
16.24.31 #       <langhaarrocker> is he (quel) talking with logbot?
16.25.36 #       <quel|out> ummmm
16.25.39 Nick    quel|out is now known as quelsaruk (~swordmast@faerun.ugr.es)
16.25.53 #       <quelsaruk> maybe?
16.26.00 #       <quelsaruk> am i crazy if i say yes??
16.26.54 #       <langhaarrocker> Quelsaruk: have you tried talking to trees lately? Less risky because they usually can't kick you.
16.27.29 #       <quelsaruk> i usually talk with goats, but nowadays they are afraid of me, and i dunno why. :(
16.27.48 #       <quelsaruk> i'll try talking to trees, or sea waves ;)
16.29.16 #       <quelsaruk> i had to explain some fortran programs... that was a hard work ;)
16.29.45 #       <langhaarrocker> Ah. Let me guess: you've been teaching again.
16.30.09 #       <quelsaruk> private teaching this time :)
16.30.47 #       <quelsaruk> my speciality is steel, but fortran is easy enought to explain it and earn some money :P
16.33.37 Nick    seb-sleep is now known as _seb_ (Sean@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net)
16.34.36 #       <quelsaruk> btw, do all of you have 1st April??
16.34.48 #       <quelsaruk> here in spain we have 28th December
16.35.17 #       <langhaarrocker> good joke! It's nearly recursive. :)
16.35.49 Part    Zagor
16.35.54 #       <quelsaruk> langhaarrocker: don't understand you.. i only have 2 neurons :(
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16.54.07 #       <i_am_pi> hello
16.55.07 #       <quelsaruk> hi
16.59.02 #       <i_am_pi> yesterday i was asking where the charging regulator was but i had to leave
16.59.47 #       <quelsaruk> charging regulator??
17.00.14 #       <i_am_pi> Zagor mentioned i might try replacing it..
17.01.22 #       <quelsaruk> umm
17.01.35 #       <quelsaruk> Zagor_: someone's looking for you ;)
17.02.25 #       <Nomad__> nice slow day
17.02.27 #       <i_am_pi> see, my jukebox died.. says "hd error" which meant to me "dead batteries", but the charger doesn't power up anything :-|
17.02.48 #       <i_am_pi> not even the green light or the stock firmware saying "Charging battery"
17.03.44 #       <quelsaruk> try to change the batts... or the charger 
17.03.45 #       <quelsaruk> :)
17.03.59 #       <i_am_pi> replaced the charger, i'm replacing the batteries today after screwl
17.04.24 #       <quelsaruk> good luck
17.04.29 #       <i_am_pi> thx. 
17.04.39 #       <i_am_pi> i did replace the hard drive earlier
17.04.50 #       <i_am_pi> the stock 20 gigger had no usable sectors :-|
17.05.04 #       <quelsaruk> :(
17.05.08 #       <i_am_pi> but this was months before
17.05.21 #       <i_am_pi> got a 40 gigger from our local computer store for $200 :)
17.05.33 #       <i_am_pi> and i had gotten the jukebox for free in the first place.
17.07.20 #       <quelsaruk> you're lucky then :)
17.22.42 #       <Acathla_> i've "found" a 20gig :)
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17.23.19 #       <LinusN> who banned my script? :-)
17.24.50 #       <OnoSendai> this it?  * logbot kicked ken0 from channel #rockbox : Stop your script
17.24.56 #       <LinusN> :-)
17.25.05 #       * LinusN is just kidding
17.25.08 #       <quelsaruk> :P
17.25.14 #       <OnoSendai> : )
17.25.37 #       <quelsaruk> LinusN: good evening-afternoon-or whatever is said now 
17.25.50 #       <LinusN> same to you
17.26.47 #       <quelsaruk> btw, any idea of when will 2.0 be released?? i know that soon... but, any possible date??
17.27.02 #       <LinusN> i have no idea
17.27.10 #       <LinusN> we want to kill the red led bug
17.27.21 #       <LinusN> and i still have some recording stuff left
17.27.43 #       <OnoSendai> i have yet to test the recording for myself... 
17.28.00 #       <OnoSendai> are the recording bugs posted on the site?
17.28.12 #       <LinusN> what bugs?
17.28.23 #       <OnoSendai> don't know.. you said there were some issues yet with recording.. 
17.28.35 #       <OnoSendai> <LinusN> and i still have some recording stuff left
17.28.36 #       <LinusN> yes, i have work to do (adding features)
17.28.42 #       <OnoSendai> ahh... 
17.29.21 #       <LinusN> it's mainly about Xing headers, ID3 info and stuff
17.29.35 #       <OnoSendai> cool... i'm loving all you guys.. i've already got 3 friends addicted to the jukebox.. now i'm converting them to rockbox
17.29.50 #       <LinusN> nice
17.29.56 #       <adam> uh
17.30.31 #       <adam> the Studio is sad. The Recorder however, is > *
17.33.34 #       <quelsaruk> LinusN: what is that red led bug??
17.33.46 #       <quelsaruk> the fade dug? or which one?
17.33.51 #       <quelsaruk> *bug
17.34.43 #       <LinusN> the red led death is an ATA driver bug, when it fails to recover from disk errors
17.34.47 #       <LinusN> like when you shake the jukebox
17.34.52 #       <quelsaruk> ahhh
17.35.13 #       <quelsaruk> normally i use goat blood to repair that kind of errors ;)
17.35.25 #       <LinusN> and garlic
17.35.36 #       <quelsaruk> never tested garlic, i have to try ;)
17.35.55 #       <quelsaruk> well, there's also a fade bug.
17.35.57 #       <i_am_pi> sharp pointed stick doused in kerosine, lit on fire...
17.36.01 #       <i_am_pi> works wonders.
17.36.02 #       <i_am_pi> brb
17.36.22 #       <LinusN> quelsaruk: i know about the fade bug
17.36.28 #       <quelsaruk> :)
17.36.31 #       <quelsaruk> ok
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17.38.37 Part    Zagor_
17.39.58 #       <i_am_pi> Back
17.40.13 #       <i_am_pi> yeah, i've seen the red led death, when the batteries lose charge
17.42.35 #       <i_am_pi> then teh drive makes "click click" noises..
17.42.54 #       <adam> I've seen that too
17.46.26 #       <OnoSendai> um... E is 1.0 now  : )   http://www.enlightenment.org/pages/news.html
17.46.53 #       <quelsaruk> another 1st april ?
17.46.54 #       <quelsaruk> ;)
17.47.15 #       <OnoSendai> : )   
17.51.16 #       <Nomad__> cpan.org is horked also
17.54.19 Nick    quelsaruk is now known as quel|out (~swordmast@faerun.ugr.es)
17.54.23 #       <quel|out> bbl
17.54.25 #       <quel|out> cu
17.54.45 #       <Acathla_> http://rockbox.haxx.se/doom/ <- 1st april too ?
17.55.34 #       <quel|out> Acathla_: how can you say that!!!
17.55.55 #       <quel|out> do you think Bagder could do that??
17.56.06 #       <quel|out> he's a serious man
17.56.07 #       <quel|out> ;)
17.57.54 #       <Acathla_> hum...
17.59.05 Quit    Bagder ("http://daniel.haxx.se")
17.59.58 #       * Acathla_ go home
18.00.00 #       <Acathla_> bye
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18.03.49 #       <_adam> heh
18.03.57 #       * _adam notes some software should be open sourced :P
18.04.07 #       <_adam> like sftp gui frontends that use Putty as a backend anyways
18.04.15 #       <_adam> *especially* when they suck
18.04.17 #       <_adam> bad :p
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18.04.45 Nick    _adam is now known as adam (jankey@x84-207-243-dhcp.reshalls.umn.edu)
18.09.05 #       <i_am_pi> putty r0x0rs :)
18.09.26 #       <i_am_pi> but Mac OS X's terminal.app r0x0rs more
18.09.46 #       <i_am_pi> GLTerm r0x0rs even even more since it is opengl accelerated
18.10.47 #       <adam> uh
18.10.51 #       <adam> yes
18.10.57 #       <adam> because that makes it faster
18.11.00 #       <adam> all that compounding
18.11.01 #       <adam> :P
18.11.34 #       <adam> neither terminal.app nor GLTerm are ssh clients, anyways
18.13.16 #       <i_am_pi> but they turn into one with "ssh" :_P
18.13.32 #       <adam> yeah
18.13.35 #       <i_am_pi> when i'm forced to use windows, I use putty
18.13.36 #       <adam> I don't see any advantage to OS X
18.13.39 #       <adam> 'forced'
18.13.47 #       <i_am_pi> as in when i'm at school
18.13.47 #       <adam> heh, OS X doesn't even have a decent peer to peer filesharing program
18.13.53 #       <adam> i.e. Kazaa
18.13.57 #       <i_am_pi> now, now..
18.13.59 #       <i_am_pi> Carracho :-P
18.14.02 #       <i_am_pi> www.carracho.com
18.14.04 #       <adam> That's not 'decent'
18.14.05 #       <adam> that's shitty.
18.14.09 #       <i_am_pi> wtf
18.14.13 #       <i_am_pi> carracho rocks!
18.14.41 #       <adam> and it's not really peer-to-peer, either way
18.15.46 #       <i_am_pi> well i happen to like it. You may (actualy, you seem to) feel differently :)
18.16.06 #       <adam> well, it has probably less than 1% of the users that Kazaa does
18.16.27 #       <adam> which, unless everyone is running a 200 gig server, is not going to make up for the parity
18.16.45 #       <adam> Hotline did it first, either way
18.16.49 #       <adam> but yeah, Hotline has it's faults as well
18.16.54 #       <adam> as in a totally non-existent company behind it
18.17.05 #       <i_am_pi> but there are several servers that have huge caches of quality behind them :)
18.17.21 #       <adam> which takes effort
18.17.23 #       <i_am_pi> then there (was) mine which had nothign but community, and spottily at that :)
18.17.25 #       <adam> I can just leave my searches going all day and all night
18.17.48 #       <adam> well, if I use anything, it's Hotline vs Carracho
18.18.05 #       <adam> just because HL is quite multiplatform
18.18.05 #       <i_am_pi> i've been using that less and less
18.18.31 #       <adam> but yeah
18.18.45 #       <adam> OS X has pitfalls in games, and various misc software
18.18.50 #       <i_am_pi> since i've been getting $ from work ,i've bought more software
18.18.55 #       <adam> you gain quality, I suppose, in the lowest common denominator
18.19.09 #       <adam> heh
18.19.19 #       <adam> I usually try to get mp3s (suprise), or various fansubs
18.19.22 Quit    TotMacher ()
18.19.30 #       <adam> I haven't 'warezed' since my old Mac Quadra 700 :P
18.19.36 #       <i_am_pi> lol. mp3s is all kazaa is really good fore
18.19.41 #       <i_am_pi> s/fore/for/
18.19.42 #       <adam> that's true
18.19.43 #       <adam> and it does that well
18.19.50 #       <i_am_pi> very well :)
18.19.59 #       <adam> opposed to hotline, or carracho ;p
18.20.03 #       <i_am_pi> but the default install has spyware, so i use kazaa lite
18.20.10 #       <adam> same.
18.20.18 #       <adam> Also gives you 1000 participation...
18.20.59 #       <i_am_pi> i had a socks5 proxy on my server installed, but idiots leaked the info and sucked down movies.. Couldn't iptables them out because they were inside the school!
18.21.15 #       <adam> uh
18.21.20 #       * adam doesn't *share* with random idiots
18.21.27 #       <i_am_pi> i didn't share with them
18.21.28 #       <adam> rarely share at all :P
18.21.36 #       <adam> yeah
18.21.38 #       <i_am_pi> they got on my computer when i was away
18.21.40 #       <adam> but if you're running a server... ;p
18.21.53 #       <adam> heh, security is good
18.21.59 #       <i_am_pi> win98 at school
18.22.09 #       <i_am_pi> if it wre 2k i'd have hit windows-L and locked it when i left.
18.22.34 #       <adam> Win98 is the OS that shouldn't be
18.22.38 #       <adam> it's obsolete
18.23.41 #       * adam will either float between Linux, or Windows + Cygwin
18.24.12 #       <adam> Windows seems to work fine for most tasks, and my machine is fast enough to make cygwin endurable
18.24.39 #       <adam> the thing that pisses me off about windows is the registry
18.24.57 #       <adam> or any OS that tries to garble up and hide configuration files
18.25.34 #       <i_am_pi> yeah
18.25.49 #       <i_am_pi> registry corruption is fun to recover from..
18.27.41 #       <i_am_pi> i worked on this box that had about 50 modems 'installed'
18.27.46 #       <adam> heh
18.27.52 #       <i_am_pi> "i can't connect to the internet"
18.28.31 #       * adam must find an OS that isn't hopelessly contrived (XP, OS X), isn't hopelessly mutable (Linux), and actually has hardware support (*BSD)
18.28.53 #       <adam> that, or I need to get newer debian test images...
18.29.10 #       <adam> Gentoo is fun, except for the whole YOU MUST COMPILE *EVERYTHING* aspect.
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18.29.43 #       <Neocramencer> hi
18.29.48 #       <Neocramencer> anybody here?
18.29.48 #       <adam> hey
18.29.53 #       <Neocramencer> fine..
18.30.11 #       <Neocramencer> i have a damn f*** problem with my jukebox
18.30.24 #       <adam> what is it?
18.30.26 #       <Neocramencer> everytiem when i connect it to my pc the pc reboots...
18.30.46 #       <Neocramencer> its not everytime, yesterday it worked but today....
18.30.52 #       <Neocramencer> whats that issue?
18.31.11 #       <i_am_pi> adam: havne't messed with Gentoo
18.31.25 #       <adam> Neocramencer - this is a studio?
18.31.26 #       <i_am_pi> i like debian with the unstable tree in the sources list
18.31.47 #       <Neocramencer> mhh its a jukebox 6000
18.31.47 #       <adam> yes
18.31.50 #       <adam> I used to use Sid
18.32.02 #       <Neocramencer> want to upgrade the harddrive..
18.32.10 #       <adam> Neocramencer - and the thing starts up and plays music fine?
18.32.16 #       <Neocramencer> because of that i need access to it
18.32.19 #       <Neocramencer> yes
18.32.21 #       <Neocramencer> sure
18.32.23 #       <Neocramencer> with rockbox
18.32.24 #       <i_am_pi> Neocramencer - hm. haven't seen that particular bug. could be your USB controller on your computer
18.32.26 #       <adam> turn the box off
18.32.35 #       <adam> plug the usb hard drive in
18.32.36 #       <Neocramencer> mhh
18.32.43 #       <i_am_pi> i've seen machiens reboot when the modem was used though
18.32.44 #       <adam> start it up
18.32.45 #       <adam> don't hot plug it
18.33.02 #       <adam> heh
18.33.13 #       * adam wants a Sony VAIO GRV680
18.33.19 #       <Neocramencer> i tryed this too
18.33.22 #       <Neocramencer> tried
18.33.25 #       <Neocramencer> ;)
18.33.30 #       <Neocramencer> me is not good i nenglish
18.33.30 #       <adam> 16 inch screen, 60 gig drive, DVD+-RW, and it's heavy as hell
18.34.03 #       <i_am_pi> neo: another idea, maybe your power supply is marginal
18.34.15 #       <i_am_pi> how many watts is the supply?
18.34.18 #       <Neocramencer> you mean the power supply in the pc?
18.34.27 #       <Neocramencer> oh its a good levicom 420 watt
18.34.44 #       <Neocramencer> board is an epox 8rda+
18.34.48 #       <Neocramencer> nforce2
18.35.04 #       <i_am_pi> well that idea goes out the window..
18.35.06 #       <Neocramencer> mhh i will try a other usb port
18.35.16 #       <Neocramencer> wait a sec
18.37.23 #       <Neocramencer> mhh lol
18.37.25 #       <Neocramencer> it works
18.37.28 #       <Neocramencer> this time
18.37.30 #       <Neocramencer> :)
18.37.41 #       <Neocramencer> but thx for ya help
18.45.16 #       <i_am_pi> no problem
18.45.17 Quit    Neocramencer (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
18.45.22 #       <i_am_pi> heh.
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18.48.02 #       <Baz> hey
18.48.39 #       <LinusN> yo
18.49.19 #       <Baz> hows u?
18.49.37 #       <LinusN> fine i think
18.49.41 #       <Baz> lol
18.49.49 #       <Baz> well i hate bitchx
18.49.52 #       <Baz> mirc here i come :P
18.49.58 Join    DJBaz [0] (unknown@modem-920.monkey.dialup.pol.co.uk)
18.50.03 #       <Baz> heh
18.50.18 #       <LinusN> xchat r00ls
18.50.35 #       <Baz> i mean bitchx
18.50.37 #       <Baz> :P
18.50.39 #       <Baz> quit
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18.50.45 Nick    DJBaz is now known as Baz (unknown@modem-920.monkey.dialup.pol.co.uk)
18.50.46 #       <adam> hmm
18.50.49 #       <adam> noise cancelling earbugs
18.50.51 #       <adam> ...
18.50.51 #       <adam> buds
18.51.15 Nick    Baz is now known as DJBaz (unknown@modem-920.monkey.dialup.pol.co.uk)
18.51.26 #       <adam> might be good for protection against my roommate's snoring
18.51.35 #       <DJBaz> lol
18.54.12 #       <DJBaz> i liked the doom april fules jple
18.54.13 #       <DJBaz> :)
18.54.22 #       <DJBaz> *fools
18.54.22 #       <adam> jple...
18.56.06 #       <DJBaz> rockbox webmaster here yet?
18.56.07 #       <DJBaz> :p
18.56.25 #       <quel|out> just LinusN
18.56.45 #       <DJBaz> k
18.56.49 #       <DJBaz> LinusN u there?
18.57.01 #       <adam> hmm
18.57.24 #       <LinusN> i'm here
18.57.42 #       <DJBaz> kk
18.57.53 #       <DJBaz> would u guys like a server 2 host a forum on?
18.58.04 #       <LinusN> forum?
18.58.07 #       <DJBaz> its hosted in a data center... so its fast
18.58.14 #       <DJBaz> yeh a forum... 'bulletin board'
18.58.32 #       <i_am_pi> linux: like http://forums.geeksharks.com (example, hosted by me)
18.58.42 #       <adam> ...
18.58.42 #       <LinusN> we haven't really felt a need for a forum
18.58.45 #       <adam> BBS blow :P
18.58.53 #       <adam> consumes more time than IRC
18.58.58 #       <DJBaz> yeh
18.59.03 #       <DJBaz> but not everyone can access irc
18.59.08 #       <DJBaz> check ma forums
18.59.13 #       <adam> so...?
18.59.14 #       <DJBaz> www.liberationfrequency.vze.com
18.59.24 #       <adam> :p
18.59.31 #       <i_am_pi> brb
18.59.32 #       <DJBaz> fast eh :p
18.59.39 #       <LinusN> forums are good, and we will not stop anyone from creating one
18.59.40 #       <adam> it's not hard to have a shell account
18.59.58 #       <DJBaz> yeh
19.00.03 #       <LinusN> however, we developers will still use IRC
19.00.07 #       <DJBaz> just offering thats all... ya dont need to bite my head off :P
19.00.30 #       <LinusN> DJBaz: no, we will kill you in a less painful way
19.00.38 #       <DJBaz> lol
19.00.39 #       <adam> uh
19.00.46 #       <quel|out> LinusN: may i use him in my rituals??
19.00.49 #       <quel|out> pliiizzzz
19.00.54 #       <quel|out> let me :)
19.00.54 #       <DJBaz> noooo
19.00.55 #       <DJBaz> :<
19.01.06 #       <adam> you're using what script for that 'forum'?
19.01.06 #       <adam> it looks kinda like geeklog
19.01.16 #       <LinusN> i can give you his spline, i want the rest for the red led death bug
19.01.24 #       <DJBaz> lol
19.01.33 #       <DJBaz> adam invision board
19.01.35 #       <LinusN> spline? is that the word?
19.01.37 #       <adam> hmm
19.01.47 #       <Schnueff> spine?
19.01.48 #       * adam has a distinct distaste for all things forum
19.01.53 #       <quel|out> spline? that sounds like a mathematical function
19.01.54 #       <adam> but
19.01.56 #       <DJBaz> lol
19.01.57 #       <adam> I do run geeklog
19.02.02 #       <DJBaz> thats the portal adam :p
19.02.02 #       <LinusN> no, not the spine
19.02.04 #       <DJBaz> click forum lol
19.02.05 #       <adam> http://rei.damnsw.net/
19.02.06 #       <LinusN> slpeen?
19.02.08 #       <quel|out> differential ecuations and so on :)
19.02.17 #       <adam> yeah, obviously, DJ
19.02.24 #       <DJBaz> gd gd... jst making sure :p
19.02.39 #       <quel|out> what are you trying to give me linus? a part of the body? or what?
19.03.12 #       <LinusN> spleen, that's it
19.03.25 #       <quel|out> what's a spleen??
19.03.30 #       <DJBaz> omg
19.03.31 #       <DJBaz> lol
19.03.34 #       <DJBaz> its something
19.03.34 #       <DJBaz> :p
19.05.50 #       <adam> you need it to live
19.05.50 #       <adam> hmm
19.05.50 #       * adam would need a Claymore mine anti-theft system for any laptop he bought
19.05.50 #       <adam> :P
19.05.50 DBUG    Sent KICK adam to server
19.05.50 #       <adam> especially if it were one of those expensive ones that are ugly and heavy, but have lots of cool stuff on them
19.05.50 Kick    (#rockbox adam :No flooding!) by logbot!~bjst@labb.contactor.se
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19.06.23 #       <adam> ...
19.06.29 #       <DJBaz> lol
19.06.32 #       <adam> whatever happened to openprojects.net
19.06.38 #       <adam> that didn't have huge lag issues
19.07.49 #       <i_am_pi> I'm back
19.08.46 #       <quel|out> linus.. why should i want a spleen?? 
19.08.47 #       <DJBaz> wb
19.08.53 #       <i_am_pi> spleens?
19.09.15 #       <quel|out> i can't give that to the metal gods :(
19.13.09 #       <DJBaz> hm
19.13.42 #       <DJBaz> does anyone here know how to make the jukebox recorder play a song at a certain time... but i dont want the jukebox to turn off
19.13.45 #       <DJBaz> if u know what i mean
19.14.14 #       <LinusN> DJBaz: that is not implemented yet
19.14.24 #       <DJBaz> but it will be some time yeh?
19.14.29 #       <LinusN> maybe
19.14.39 #       <DJBaz> kk
19.14.45 #       <LinusN> it's in the request database
19.14.50 #       <DJBaz> ok
19.14.55 #       <DJBaz> i really should check that out
19.14.55 #       <DJBaz> :p
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19.16.42 #       <TBoy> guys
19.16.51 #       <TBoy> I have a big problem
19.17.03 #       <LinusN> and you want to make it ours? :-)
19.17.12 #       <TBoy> my comp doesn't recognise my FM anymore
19.17.15 #       <TBoy> yes :D
19.17.39 #       <LinusN> does the fm work normally otherwise?
19.18.10 #       <TBoy> normally I just plugged the usb cable
19.18.44 #       <TBoy> and it worked
19.19.13 #       <TBoy> but now it gets detected as an unknown device
19.19.31 #       <LinusN> any other usb devices connected?
19.19.34 #       <TBoy> nope
19.19.50 #       <LinusN> tried another port?
19.20.02 #       <LinusN> tried reinstalling the drivers?
19.20.12 #       <LinusN> which os?
19.26.23 #       <TBoy> sry for the delay
19.26.32 #       <TBoy> got attacked by bees in my rook
19.26.52 #       <TBoy> I'm using xp pro
19.27.03 #       <TBoy> i reinstalled the drivers 
19.27.07 #       <TBoy> still no luck
19.27.51 #       <quel|out> LinusN?
19.29.32 #       <LinusN> hmmm
19.29.47 #       <TBoy> just tried another port still no luck
19.30.15 #       <LinusN> does the fm work with another computer?
19.30.16 #       <TBoy> I'm going to try a restart once more
19.30.24 #       <TBoy> brb
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19.33.57 #       <TBoy> darn still no luck
19.34.39 #       <LinusN> does the fm work with another computer?
19.35.45 #       <TBoy> yep
19.36.05 #       <LinusN> silly winxp
19.36.06 #       <TBoy> it works and worked without a hassle on all comps so far
19.36.10 #       <TBoy> yep
19.36.17 #       <LinusN> what happened before it stopped working?
19.36.35 #       <TBoy> nothing
19.36.40 #       <TBoy> I plugged it in
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19.36.55 #       <TBoy> and it got detected as a unknown device
19.37.34 #       <i_am_pi> did you reinstall the drivers, tboy?
19.38.22 #       <adam> heh, and it didn't show up?
19.38.22 #       <adam> eh
19.38.22 #       * adam just has times where his drive doesn't appear
19.38.22 #       <adam> it's detected by chkdsk and all
19.38.22 #       <TBoy> wait
19.38.30 #       <TBoy> I found something
19.39.38 #       <TBoy> it says in my logs that the Personal Player USB Driver couldn't be started because it wasn't found
19.39.40 #       <TBoy> hehe
19.39.43 #       <TBoy> thats strange
19.39.50 #       <TBoy> I'll try to delete it
19.39.55 #       <TBoy> or uninstall it
19.40.03 #       <TBoy> the drivers that is
19.41.25 #       <i_am_pi> *sigh* i pity my school's web designers
19.41.29 #       <i_am_pi> they just found out about "flash"
19.41.34 #       <adam> noooo!
19.41.43 #       * adam notes there are two pitfalls most people get into
19.41.47 #       <i_am_pi> adam: http://chs.sfps.k12.nm.us/
19.41.49 #       <adam> trying to get a website to look 'good'
19.41.53 #       <i_am_pi> every single link on there is flash.
19.42.08 #       <i_am_pi> impossible to navigate if you're on anything but the designer's computer :-P
19.42.14 #       <LinusN> idiots
19.42.19 #       <adam> and trying to make a website look 'cool'
19.42.25 #       <i_am_pi> contrast with my web site: http://www.pihost.us/~pi/
19.42.26 #       <adam> two specifically different things
19.42.40 #       <i_am_pi> simple, complete, navigatable, valid HTML, no plugins.
19.42.55 #       <adam> cool, as in tiny greyish fonts on black and blue, with tons of artsy gif images
19.42.59 #       <i_am_pi> viewable with telnet pihost.us:80
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19.43.03 #       <adam> god
19.43.05 #       <adam> it has *MUSIC*
19.43.12 #       <i_am_pi> .wav format, too.
19.43.24 #       <i_am_pi> so you have to havea a T1
19.43.45 #       <i_am_pi> a lot of the student pages have .wavs
19.44.00 #       <adam> http://chs.sfps.k12.nm.us/spring2003/spring2003.htm
19.44.01 #       <i_am_pi> at least they did last year.. this isn't a common site for me to visit (with good reason)
19.44.13 #       <adam> I like how almost no links work
19.44.33 #       <i_am_pi> oh, at least she stopped coding links like <a href="http://63.229.166.42/path/path/file.ext">
19.44.54 #       <i_am_pi> we moved IP addresses last year..
19.44.55 #       <adam> heh
19.45.01 #       * adam likes...
19.45.05 #       <adam> tex, and latex
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19.45.13 #       <i_am_pi> i like PHP and perl
19.45.17 #       <adam> well, lyx, I mean...
19.45.30 #       <i_am_pi> and vi. I do everything in vi
19.45.32 #       <adam> kind of duplicitous
19.45.33 #       <i_am_pi> even on my mac.
19.45.37 #       <adam> php and perl, that is
19.45.46 #       <i_am_pi> perl is good for command line usage
19.45.49 #       <i_am_pi> php is for web.
19.46.06 #       * adam likes python, sometimes ;p
19.46.24 #       <adam> but yeah, I know some perl and php
19.46.29 #       <adam> mainly database and cgi related crud
19.46.37 #       <i_am_pi> php == teh uber for databases
19.46.53 #       * adam will use vim or notepad.exe ;p
19.48.02 #       <TBoy> hmm
19.48.06 #       <TBoy> can somebody
19.48.07 #       <i_am_pi> i had vim on my network share, but the admins went on a mad "find all exe files and delete them" rampage..
19.48.16 #       <TBoy> help me solve my prob
19.48.39 #       <i_am_pi> tboy: remove and reinstall the drivers already?
19.48.45 #       <adam> i_am_pi, uh, can't it fit on a floppy :p
19.48.51 #       <i_am_pi> oh.
19.48.52 #       <adam> or worse, a zip
19.48.57 #       <TBoy> I just removed them
19.49.02 #       <i_am_pi> use winzip
19.49.09 #       <i_am_pi> to span across multiple floppies :)
19.49.14 #       <TBoy> if I'm right I can use the drivers from the archos site
19.49.19 #       <i_am_pi> tboy: yes
19.49.30 #       <i_am_pi> those work with rockbox
19.49.32 #       <TBoy> what kind of a question was that
19.49.33 #       <TBoy> haha
19.49.38 #       <TBoy> I'm silly
19.49.46 #       <adam> or use a more efficient algorithm than zip ;p
19.49.46 #       <adam> and it's not like there is any real lack of that :p
19.50.00 #       <i_am_pi> gogogo bzip2
19.50.59 #       <adam> I suppose there are small vi clones out there asides from vim
19.51.11 #       * adam just doesn't like vanilla vi
19.51.15 #       <i_am_pi> nvi, elvis
19.51.16 #       <LinusN> TBoy: some people say that the Cypress drivers are better
19.51.36 #       <i_am_pi> linus: aren't the cypress drivers the same thing on the archos site??
19.51.46 #       <LinusN> i'm not usre
19.51.47 #       <adam> eh
19.51.47 #       <LinusN> sure
19.52.36 #       <TBoy> hmm
19.52.44 #       <TBoy> the device manager
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19.53.08 #       <TBoy> says that that driver pack doesn't cantain drivers for the device
19.54.31 #       <TBoy> why does this happen now
19.54.34 #       <TBoy> well
19.54.42 >>>     "help" by josh966 (~chatzilla@ak.nlc.com)
19.54.50 >>>     "cmd" by josh966 (~chatzilla@ak.nlc.com)
19.54.56 #       <TBoy> I'll see if I can find some leftovers of the driver in xp
19.57.00 #       <i_am_pi> ah xp.
19.58.28 #       <TBoy> any idea where I should look
19.58.32 #       <TBoy> or a specific file
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20.01.39 #       <i_am_pi> get the archos drivers and go to Update Driver in the device mangler
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20.03.53 #       <TBoy> that doesn't work
20.06.22 #       <i_am_pi> er
20.07.45 Quit    thu ("Client exiting")
20.08.05 Quit    adam ()
20.08.29 #       <TBoy> its says that in the folder where I keep the drivers 
20.08.35 #       <TBoy> that there are no drivers
20.09.28 #       <OnoSendai> are they unpacked?
20.09.34 #       <TBoy> yep
20.09.47 #       <LinusN> something must have happened before it stopped working
20.09.57 #       <LinusN> it did work before, right?
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20.11.16 #       <TBoy> yep
20.11.28 #       <TBoy> hmm I don't see anything that might have happend
20.11.43 #       <LinusN> no installation of other drivers o
20.11.47 #       <LinusN> are software?
20.11.52 #       <LinusN> or software
20.12.20 #       <LinusN> have you tried on another computer after it stopped working on yours?
20.12.57 #       <TBoy> I haven't connected it to this comp
20.13.02 #       <TBoy> for a while like a week
20.13.15 #       <TBoy> and in that time I installed vmware
20.13.34 #       <TBoy> and that made some extra emulated nics
20.14.10 #       <TBoy> and everytime I try to get my player detected it says something about IP
20.14.14 #       <TBoy> IPs
20.14.23 #       <LinusN> what does it call the unknown device?
20.14.31 #       <TBoy> I'm gonna restart now
20.14.36 #       <TBoy> unknown device+
20.14.38 #       <TBoy> unknown device
20.14.49 #       <LinusN> it should still call it "ARCHOS USB 2.0"
20.14.50 #       <TBoy> that is actually an extra driver
20.15.07 #       <TBoy> it was always called some thing like player 
20.15.10 #       <TBoy> but it worked
20.15.54 #       <TBoy> ok gonna restart
20.16.01 #       <TBoy> wish me luck
20.16.04 #       <adam> very verbose
20.16.04 #       <adam> yeah, I'm wondering about that myself
20.16.04 #       <adam> I just removed the old USB drivers
20.16.04 DBUG    Sent KICK adam to server
20.16.04 #       <adam> for my old studio 20
20.16.05 Kick    (#rockbox adam :No flooding!) by logbot!~bjst@labb.contactor.se
20.16.11 #       * LinusN holds his thumbs
20.16.21 Quit    TBoy ()
20.17.51 #       <i_am_pi> rather twitchy bot
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20.18.01 #       <i_am_pi> tboy was talking more than adam..
20.18.05 #       <adam_> the hell...
20.18.12 #       <adam_> it's lag, and a hypersensitive bot
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20.18.49 Mode    "#rockbox +o LinusN " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
20.18.50 #       * TBoy weeps
20.18.57 #       <TBoy> no luck
20.18.58 Mode    "#rockbox -o logbot " by LinusN (~linus@labb.contactor.se)
20.19.06 #       <adam_> that was what I was going to recommend
20.19.14 #       <adam_> ;p
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20.19.18 #       <LinusN> you must have some serious lag
20.19.31 #       <adam_> it's probably the University
20.19.41 #       <adam_> but I'll just use my home shell
20.19.44 #       <thu> rockbox rocks
20.19.53 #       <TBoy> hmm
20.19.54 #       <LinusN> thu: i know! :-)
20.19.55 #       <i_am_pi> thu: yes it does, that's part of it's name :-D
20.19.58 #       <adam_> heh, still doesn't support FM
20.20.00 #       <TBoy> what
20.20.02 #       <adam_> but asides from that, I do prefer it ;p
20.20.12 #       <thu> adam_: FM is crappy anyway
20.20.14 #       <LinusN> adam_: no, we have no radio drivers yet
20.20.15 #       <thu> at least on my unit
20.20.19 #       <thu> never used it :\
20.20.20 #       <adam_> LinusN - yeah, I figured
20.20.26 #       <adam_> uh, thu
20.20.30 #       <i_am_pi> must to go
20.20.32 #       * adam_ records various things off the radio
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20.20.37 #       <thu> it needs an antenna or something
20.20.42 #       <adam_> it *has* an antenna
20.20.46 #       <adam_> it uses your headphones
20.20.52 #       <thu> an extra one then
20.20.56 #       <thu> I get crappy reception
20.21.00 #       <TBoy> LinusN you said you know sommin'
20.21.17 #       <TBoy> or wasn't that info for me
20.21.35 #       <LinusN> ???
20.21.58 #       <TBoy> sry I didn't notice the "thu:"
20.22.10 #       <TBoy> thought you knew a solution to my prob
20.22.12 #       <LinusN> TBoy: you should really try to connect it to another computer
20.22.25 #       <TBoy> I'll try it right away
20.22.32 #       <TBoy> I have one upstairs
20.22.44 #       <TBoy> brb
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20.23.02 #       <LinusN> thu: you use the original phones?
20.23.06 #       <thu> LinusN: yes
20.23.23 #       <thu> I keep expecting them to break ever since I got it
20.23.28 #       <LinusN> i often helps to stretch the cord
20.23.30 #       <thu> which was 5 months ago
20.23.44 #       <adam_> heh
20.23.57 #       <thu> after they do maybe I can get myself some decent phones
20.23.59 #       <adam_> I don't see why they even package the phones with the thing
20.24.06 #       <ciphergoth> reporting total succes with 40GB hard drive upgrade on a 6GB recorder, rar!
20.24.17 #       <adam_> some sony ear buds would probably be just as cheap and give you better sound quality
20.24.19 #       <LinusN> ciphergoth: congrats
20.24.31 #       <thu> adam_: they need to ship it with some kind of phones
20.24.45 #       <adam_> ciphergoth - comedy, too bad you can't replace the USB <-> ATA bridge ;p
20.25.08 #       <thu> hmm I like the feature requests
20.25.17 #       <thu> background mp3<->ogg conversion
20.25.22 #       <adam_> thu: okay, I've got two sets of those phones now
20.25.22 #       <ciphergoth> adam_: I did try copying music files onto it using a direct ATA connection, but I had to copy the files across the network
20.25.30 #       <ciphergoth> and it was slower than just plugging the USB in directly!
20.25.44 #       <adam_> ah
20.26.01 #       * adam_ kind of wants a 9.5 mm adapter for those old drives
20.26.05 #       <ciphergoth> Incidentally, what do the "doom" files do really?
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20.26.11 #       <adam_> ciphergoth - it's a joke
20.26.17 #       <ciphergoth> adam_: I guessed
20.26.19 #       <adam_> just shows you a digitized image
20.26.32 #       <ciphergoth> thus the phrasing of the question.  I couldn't be bothered to install it just to find out what the joke was...
20.26.58 #       <ciphergoth> adam_: I have such an adapter, it only cost GBP 5.  I don't suppose you live in Edinburgh though...
20.27.10 #       <adam_> yeah, I know they're pretty cheap
20.27.42 #       <adam_> I could just stop by the local computer chop shop :p
20.27.50 #       <thu> hey quake is opensource too
20.27.53 #       <thu> why not port that?
20.28.26 #       <adam_> because the recorder is tragically underpowered.
20.28.35 #       <thu> on another note I'd like a 802.11-enabled jukebox that could play online streams
20.28.50 #       <adam_> you kids and your wireless
20.29.01 #       <LinusN> wireless is nice
20.29.16 #       <LinusN> xp fucks up my dlink though
20.29.19 #       <thu> if the guys at archos come out with an ogg version they'll probably sell out
20.29.25 #       <ciphergoth> If I had a 100Mbit network, it would be much faster for me to use the adapter to copy files.
20.29.36 #       <ciphergoth> thu: I wish i had your optimism
20.29.41 #       * adam_ is too cheap
20.29.55 #       <adam_> why bother with ogg?
20.29.58 #       <ciphergoth> if they ever add ogg capacity they'll probably sell three more players.
20.29.59 #       <adam_> no one knows about it
20.30.21 #       <ciphergoth> adam_: not so, it's already finding lots of niche applications eg games
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20.30.29 #       <thu> heh I spend a lot of time on campus where we have wireless
20.30.31 #       <Gissehel> hello !
20.30.37 #       <LinusN> hi
20.30.37 #       <adam_> the open source guys never were that hardcore about marketing ;p
20.30.40 #       <ciphergoth> I'd certainly use ogg if the player supported it, it sounds better
20.30.43 #       <thu> it would be nice to be able to share music between jukeboxes
20.30.54 #       <ciphergoth> adam_: it costs money.  You want to give them the money?
20.31.09 #       <ciphergoth> thu: yeah, I wish they could master USB as well as slaving it
20.31.25 #       <adam_> no, but I don't think technical details are the primary drive behind what format you use on your player
20.31.40 #       <adam_> I guess what you need is a powerful general purpose setup
20.31.46 #       <thu> unfortunatelly if they would add all the nice features to it the price would probably go waay up
20.31.50 #       <ciphergoth> adam_: sound quality against compression is one reason, patent freedom is another
20.31.56 #       <TBoy> It works!!!!
20.32.07 #       * TBoy w00ts
20.32.09 #       <thu> TBoy: doom?
20.32.14 #       <ciphergoth> thu: not really, if only the MAS guys would release the specs we could find out whether ogg can be made to go on the existing hardware
20.32.18 #       <TBoy> it was the rockbox build
20.32.21 #       <TBoy> I guess
20.32.36 #       <TBoy> I started the usb connection without the rb and it worked
20.32.45 #       <LinusN> ciphergoth: ogg is probably doomed on the MAS even if we have the specs
20.32.53 #       <thu> ciphergoth: I thought you need a fatter cpu for ogg
20.33.02 #       <adam_> heh
20.33.04 #       * adam_ sees it now
20.33.13 #       <LinusN> ogg is too memory demanding for the MAS
20.33.22 #       <adam_> 200mhz mp3 players :p
20.33.34 #       <ciphergoth> LinusN: Is that an inherent fact about ogg rather than just a fact about existing implementations then/
20.33.44 #       <adam_> well, hell, I guess any PDA that can handle ogg could easily become an mp3 player
20.33.56 #       <LinusN> TBoy: really?
20.34.06 #       <PsycoXul> adam_: my pda can
20.34.12 #       <thu> sharp zaurus + 20 gig hdd = love
20.34.12 #       <TBoy> yep
20.34.13 #       <ciphergoth> I'd wondered if existing implementations were table-heavy just because that was fast on modern processors.
20.34.14 #       <adam_> PsycoXul - yeah
20.34.15 #       <TBoy> it worked
20.34.16 #       <LinusN> ciphergoth: lots of lookup tables, at least with the Tremor
20.34.23 #       <PsycoXul> and it was only $114
20.34.35 #       <PsycoXul> but almost no storage space
20.34.35 #       <PsycoXul> heh
20.34.37 #       <adam_> all you need in that situation is a long lasting battery, thu
20.34.44 #       <adam_> heh
20.34.53 #       <PsycoXul> oh yeah and mine's only got a 4 hour battery life
20.34.54 #       <PsycoXul> heh
20.34.54 #       <thu> sharp zaurus + 20 gig hdd + long lasting battery = love
20.34.55 #       <adam_> I doubt there are any PDAs that can handle 9.5mm drives
20.34.57 #       <PsycoXul> without an HD
20.35.00 #       <LinusN> TBoy: i mean about it not working with the rockbox code running
20.35.09 #       <ciphergoth> adam_: but WHY NOT?
20.35.12 #       <thu> what do you get if you put together an archos and a pda?
20.35.19 #       <thu> and make the pda use the archos battery?
20.35.22 #       <TBoy> thanks for the help
20.35.24 #       <ciphergoth> thu: the answer to my dreams!
20.35.25 #       <adam_> ciphergoth - I haven't seen any... ;)
20.35.37 #       <adam_> If you show me one, then I'll move to the next demand
20.35.37 #       <TBoy> and for the great Doom port
20.35.44 #       <adam_> handling USB2 drives ;p
20.35.45 #       <TBoy> it rules
20.35.50 #       <TBoy> r0x0r
20.35.56 #       <Gissehel> I've not seen the doom port right now
20.36.07 #       <Gissehel> but I've got an idea about what it look like
20.36.16 #       <thu> is there a practical reason nobody did it yet or just a price problem?
20.36.23 #       <ciphergoth> I know. I want one so much!  A PDA that can replace my Archos, with bluetooth and a phone built in
20.36.44 #       <thu> ciphergoth: it would be too heavy because of the hdd
20.36.50 #       <TBoy> hmm
20.36.55 #       <adam_> uh
20.37.00 #       <TBoy> but the archos also have a hdd
20.37.05 #       <Gissehel> I want a PDA AND the the archos, so I can use the HDS from archos on the PDA !
20.37.06 #       <TBoy> and we carry them around
20.37.08 #       <thu> ciphergoth: but you can adda bluetooth headset
20.37.17 #       <ciphergoth> thu: I find the weight of the Archos acceptable, I wouldn't mind my PDA weighing that much
20.37.30 #       <ciphergoth> thu: exactly
20.37.33 #       <thu> can't say i would either
20.37.40 #       <adam_> I think most of the weight for the archos comes from batteries ;p
20.37.44 #       <adam_> NiMH, at least
20.38.07 #       <ciphergoth> thu: here's my current feelings on the subject: http://www.livejournal.com/users/jwz/180812.html
20.38.13 #       <thu> my archos sheds :(
20.38.20 #       <thu> anybody else loosing the color off it?
20.38.28 #       <adam_> thu: my old studio lost alot
20.38.30 #       <thu> especially on the back
20.38.35 #       <adam_> mainly the buttons
20.38.41 #       <Gissehel> I wouldn't mind a PDA weighing as much as archos if it can use as much hard drive !
20.38.42 #       <thu> my fm sheds on the back
20.38.45 #       <thu> probably because of the heat
20.38.48 #       <ciphergoth> Batteries and HDD.  Yeah, stick in Li-Ion instead of NiMH to save weight...  It'd cost about GBP 400 but I'd pay it like a shot.
20.39.05 #       <adam_> well
20.39.09 #       <thu> heh a nice pda is almost a working computer
20.39.20 #       <adam_> the more 'features' crammed into it, the more problems can occur
20.39.21 #       <thu> add a hard drive and it gets interesting
20.39.39 #       <Gissehel> thu: that's why I want a master USB on PDA
20.39.50 #       <Gissehel> to be able to add an archos on it :o)
20.39.58 #       <ciphergoth> Gissehel: me too, so it can get photos off my camera
20.40.32 #       <thu> that can be somewhat solved with the multimedia version
20.40.43 #       <thu> but it would be nice to access the files on the hdd from the pda
20.40.45 #       * TBoy feels all warm inside because of the help and love in this room
20.40.47 #       <thu> to play oggs for example
20.41.03 #       <Gissehel> I want an archos wifi & a pda wifi..
20.41.15 #       <thu> hmm i like the spatializer features in rockbox
20.41.16 #       <ciphergoth> TBoy: no, it's getting warm in here because all these geeks are fantasising...
20.41.18 #       <thu> not much but it works
20.41.28 #       * thu drools :P~~
20.41.33 #       <adam_> hmm
20.41.36 #       <TBoy> ok apart from that : ) hehe
20.41.37 #       <Gissehel> a spatializer ? I knew I should have updraded !
20.41.40 #       <adam_> Sharp Zaurus
20.41.41 #       <ciphergoth> (including me of course!)
20.41.53 #       <TBoy> hey I made a hi-res icon for the FM
20.41.56 #       <TBoy> any1 intersted
20.42.01 #       <thu> what icon?
20.42.03 #       <TBoy> I'll put it on my webbie
20.42.27 #       <TBoy> http://www.herzovision.de/obrien-richard/Richard/FM-Recorder.ico
20.42.33 #       <TBoy> here take alook
20.42.49 #       <thu> it's really small
20.42.53 #       <thu> really really small
20.43.06 #       <TBoy> its size is 16², 32², 48² and 128²
20.43.18 #       <thu> all in one?
20.43.21 #       <TBoy> yeo
20.43.22 #       <TBoy> yep
20.43.28 #       <thu> hmm :\
20.43.29 #       <TBoy> you just have to use it
20.43.34 #       <TBoy> to get it too work
20.43.38 #       <adam_> yeah
20.43.38 #       <TBoy> don't know why :P
20.43.41 #       <adam_> .ico :p
20.43.45 #       <ciphergoth> does the Zaurus come with a hard drive?  Or are you discussing putting one in the CF slot?
20.43.55 #       <adam_> ciphergoth - heh, it'd be interesting
20.43.56 #       <ciphergoth> (it runs Linux?  Am I dreaming?)
20.44.03 #       <Gissehel> so it's time to test the doom soft. I hope it's well done (unlike the screen shot on the site)
20.44.10 #       <adam_> it runs Linux with weird QT widgets
20.44.15 #       <adam_> rather than X
20.44.19 #       <adam_> for obvious reasons...
20.44.31 #       <PsycoXul> embedded QT was nice when i played with the demo
20.44.40 #       <ciphergoth> fair enough
20.44.50 #       <adam_> yeah
20.44.51 #       <thu> iirc zaurus had a pretty dim screen
20.44.57 #       <adam_> there is a fair amount of software available
20.44.58 #       <thu> compared to the ipaq
20.45.11 #       <thu> yeah and they recently dropped the price under $200
20.45.17 #       <thu> it was on slashdot
20.45.26 #       <adam_> for the Zaurus?
20.45.29 #       <thu> yeah
20.45.37 #       <thu> ~$170
20.45.41 #       <adam_> I guess my problem is
20.45.47 #       <adam_> justfiying the purchase
20.45.54 #       <adam_> er, tif
20.45.57 #       <adam_> I use my mp3 player every day
20.45.58 #       <thu> my handspring visor was cool for less than a year
20.46.08 #       <thu> then the phone antenna broke and they wouldn't fix it
20.46.14 #       <thu> then it ended up in a drawer
20.46.17 #       <adam_> and it's not like the thing gets 'outdated', realy
20.47.04 #       <thu> hmm the rockbox fader is nice too
20.47.13 #       <adam_> what 'fader'?
20.47.18 #       <adam_> it's not rockbox specific
20.47.22 #       <thu> the stop/pause 'fader'
20.47.26 #       <adam_> well, that one is
20.47.27 #       <adam_> ;)
20.47.33 #       <adam_> I was thinking backlight
20.47.39 #       <thu> nah
20.47.48 #       <thu> too bad it'
20.47.58 #       <thu> too bad it's not easy to write a crossfader
20.48.08 #       <adam_> uh, it's not the 'writing' element
20.48.10 #       <thu> or possible rather
20.48.14 #       <adam_> it's the lack of two decoders
20.48.14 #       <thu> yeah.. the decoding
20.48.45 #       <thu> adam_: what about decoding first song ahead of time then decoding the second?
20.48.55 #       <thu> is there enough memory to store a few secs of mp3?
20.49.10 #       <LinusN> thu: the decoding is done in hardware, in realtime
20.49.21 #       <thu> oh well :(
20.49.32 #       <adam_> written in stone, I guess
20.49.37 #       <LinusN> yup
20.49.51 #       <thu> hehe.. hardware mod -- adding another decoder
20.50.02 #       <LinusN> hehe
20.50.15 #       <adam_> why not just get a more powerful box in general
20.50.32 #       <thu> because I'm broke?
20.50.51 #       <ciphergoth> I'm amazed what you guys have managed to make the Archos do given the wired-in limitations...
20.50.58 #       <adam_> well, eh
20.51.18 #       * adam_ is amused by pitch changing
20.51.25 #       <thu> what pitch changing?
20.51.27 #       <adam_> made megadeth sound like alvin and the chipmunks
20.51.35 #       <LinusN> too bad we can't get rid of the sound glitch
20.51.43 #       <thu> can rockbox do that?
20.51.48 #       <adam_> yes
20.51.52 #       <thu> hmm
20.51.55 #       <LinusN> thu: yes, with the recorder
20.51.57 #       <thu> time to look through the menus again
20.51.58 #       <adam_> on the recorder
20.52.06 #       <LinusN> hold ON in the WPS
20.52.12 #       * adam_ has thoroughly investigated :P
20.53.08 #       <ciphergoth> "sound glitch"?
20.53.16 #       <thu> lol :))
20.53.30 #       <thu> I don't get it.. how can you do this with a hardware decoder?
20.53.31 #       * adam_ just wishes the stepping on the pitch increase/decrease was higher
20.53.41 #       <thu> adam_: same here
20.53.51 #       <ciphergoth> adam_: worse still: http://gothbofhs.co.uk/~paul/random/no-jingles.mp3
20.54.08 #       <ciphergoth> (if you like Radiohead anyway)
20.54.10 #       <LinusN> ciphergoth: a small silent pause when changing pitch
20.54.39 #       <ciphergoth> Well, OK, but isn't pitch changing basically a gimmick anyway?
20.54.47 #       <thu> how does the pitch change work?
20.54.57 #       <LinusN> ciphergoth: no, it's actually useful, for dj:ing
20.55.14 #       <thu> LinusN: dj:ing with the archos?
20.55.20 #       <ciphergoth> LinusN: gotcha.  Cute!
20.55.22 #       <LinusN> yup, with 2 archoses
20.55.25 #       <thu> :))
20.55.34 #       <thu> what about the sound glitch then?
20.55.36 #       <LinusN> there are people doing just that
20.55.57 #       <ciphergoth> (though I don't go to clubs where they beatmatch...)
20.56.03 #       <LinusN> problem is that you can't change pitch while playing
20.56.08 #       <thu> I've still got to see such a feat
20.56.42 #       * ciphergoth still has 45 minutes to wait before all his music files are copied onto his new big hard drive
20.56.57 #       <LinusN> the Player models are able to change playback speed without changing the pitch
20.57.20 #       <LinusN> but that DSP code is not available to us :-(
20.57.28 #       <thu> how come?
20.57.40 #       <ciphergoth> Does that have to be done on the DSP?  It can't be done by clever massaging of the MP3 data stream?
20.57.41 #       <LinusN> it is secret
20.57.48 #       <LinusN> ciphergoth: no
20.58.10 #       <ciphergoth> I have only the very vaguest idea how music is compressed, forgive me...
20.59.25 #       <thu> heh I don't get how the rockbox pitch change works
20.59.38 #       <ciphergoth> 21c moment: I'm waiting for a text message from a friend to say he's found the CD I left in his house and put it in his CD-ROM drive
20.59.52 #       <ciphergoth> so I can ssh into the back of his machine, rip it, and transfer it over
21.00.12 #       <thu> how come the firmware takes a few secs to shutdown and rockbox doesn't?
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21.09.53 #       <edx> damn i should have thoguht about april 1st... stupid all this :P - i have already been so happy!
21.14.17 #       <ciphergoth> I've seen some *very* subtle April Fools jokes!
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21.14.58 #       <ciphergoth> A top cryptanalyst on sci.crypt claiming to have found an attack on AES
21.15.05 #       <ciphergoth> you have to be pretty on your toes to see the joke.
21.18.02 #       <LinusN> thu: the pitch change works by fooling the MP3 decoding chip
21.18.39 #       <LinusN> it needs to be told about the frequency of the external crystal
21.19.08 #       <LinusN> we lie about it, and it plays the data at a different sampling rate
21.19.43 #       <LinusN> thu: the original firmware shuts down more "cleanly" than we do
21.21.43 #       <quel|out> bye
21.21.55 #       <ciphergoth> LinusN: why shut down cleanly?
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21.22.36 #       <LinusN> like, make sure that all not-yet-written data is flushed to disk, stuff like that
21.22.55 #       <LinusN> i honestly don't know whyt it takes them so long
21.22.59 #       <ciphergoth> LinusN: but presumably you do that bit because you write the suspension data to disk
21.23.03 #       <ciphergoth> (don't you?)
21.23.28 #       <LinusN> the recorders write the resume info in the RTC RAM
21.23.49 #       <ciphergoth> oh, I'd assumed it all went on disk for some reason.
21.24.09 #       <LinusN> it goes to disk as well, when the disk is spun up for other reasons
21.24.15 #       <LinusN> gotta eat
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22.01.34 #       <Mezo> hi
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22.01.50 #       <Mezo> Need Help with my archos ... ;)
22.02.03 #       <Mezo> I don't manage to mount it under FreeBSD ...
22.02.15 #       <Mezo> does someone ever success ?
22.02.21 #       <Mezo> (xcuse my english)
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22.06.23 #       <[BAMF]Vul> Hi, I installed the RochBox 1.4 on my Jukebox Studio 10, 5.08 firmware, and I get the red light flash whenever i try to do anything, like play a song, go to next song, ect, is this normal, or am i doing something wrong?
22.06.32 #       <[BAMF]Vul> sorry if this is a repeat question, but I am still new at this
22.08.10 #       <Gissehel> [BAMF]Vul: I don't have studio
22.08.14 #       <Gissehel> I have recorder
22.08.33 #       <Gissehel> but the red light seems to be on whenever the archos acces to the hard drive
22.08.48 #       <[BAMF]Vul> yea, and i can hear the drive spin up
22.08.54 #       <[BAMF]Vul> i tried disabling that spin down feature
22.08.56 #       <[BAMF]Vul> but it still did it
22.08.57 #       <Gissehel> so whenever you 'play a song', "go to next song" you use your hard drive
22.09.00 #       <Gissehel> that sound normal
22.09.13 #       <[BAMF]Vul> yea, but it doesnt do it without RockBox
22.09.31 #       <[BAMF]Vul> or is this light just a feature to show HD activity
22.09.32 #       <Gissehel> with rockbox ?
22.09.36 #       <Gissehel> or with archos os ?
22.09.47 #       <Gissehel> withOUT
22.09.49 #       <[BAMF]Vul> right, it doesnt do it with Archos OS
22.09.53 #       <Gissehel> didn't notice the OUT ;)
22.09.56 #       <[BAMF]Vul> lol
22.09.57 #       <[BAMF]Vul> its pok
22.09.59 #       <[BAMF]Vul> ok*
22.10.06 #       <Gissehel> I don't remember the archos os ;)
22.10.10 #       <Gissehel> I'll try it
22.10.20 #       <[BAMF]Vul> i want to use RockBox, but I am afraid that the red light flashing isnt a good thing
22.10.25 #       <[BAMF]Vul> because its not normal at least
22.10.33 #       <Mezo> [BAMF]Vul: LOL
22.10.42 #       <Mezo> red light is normal
22.10.53 #       <Mezo> red flash -> Hard drive access
22.10.59 #       <[BAMF]Vul> well it isnt normal on mine with the Archos OS
22.11.00 #       <Mezo> like your HD Led for your PC
22.11.12 #       <[BAMF]Vul> it never flashes with the archos os, only rockbox
22.11.13 #       <Mezo> with rockbox it's normal
22.11.15 #       <[BAMF]Vul> thats why i was asking
22.11.16 #       <[BAMF]Vul> ok
22.11.19 #       <[BAMF]Vul> thats what i was wondering
22.11.21 #       <[BAMF]Vul> thanks a lot
22.11.24 #       <Mezo> ;)
22.11.42 #       <Gissehel> ok
22.11.44 #       <Mezo> ever people under *BSD OS here ?
22.11.52 #       <[BAMF]Vul> because i love the system, but when that light started going, i was all freaked out
22.11.52 #       <Gissehel> you're right it doesn't do it with archos os !
22.11.59 #       <Mezo> I don't manage to mount my archos ...
22.12.02 #       <[BAMF]Vul> lol, thats what had me freaked out
22.12.16 #       <[BAMF]Vul> i read in my manual that the solid red is an HD error
22.12.21 #       <[BAMF]Vul> so i didnt think flashing red was good either
22.13.13 #       <[BAMF]Vul> are there any other OS's for Archos players, or is RockBox just the best
22.13.36 #       <Gissehel> Mezo: that's because you don't have any usb slot on your box ;)
22.13.45 #       <Mezo> Gissehel: not reallly ;)
22.14.01 #       <Gissehel> well
22.14.08 #       <Mezo>  port 2 addr 3: self powered, config 1, USB Storage Adapter(0x0031), In-System Design(0x05ab), rev 1.10
22.14.12 #       <Gissehel> that's my problem with my linux box in fact ;)
22.14.22 #       <Gissehel> I don't have any usb device on it
22.14.25 #       <Mezo> I have patch kernel too ...
22.14.34 #       <Gissehel> so.. I use the laptop under windows...
22.14.40 #       <Mezo> I have add the HITACHI hard drive ... (hard drive of archos)
22.14.45 #       <Mezo> but not work ... ;(
22.15.35 #       <Mezo> shit ! must going to windows in order to use my archos ...
22.15.37 #       <Mezo> ;((((
22.15.38 #       <Mezo> ;)
22.16.36 #       <Gissehel> buy another computer
22.16.42 #       <Gissehel> put it under windows !
22.16.47 #       <Gissehel> that what I've done ;)
22.16.55 #       <Mezo> never ;)
22.17.02 #       <Gissehel> (well, yes I got the other computer BEFORE the archos ;) )
22.17.03 #       <Mezo> all my computer are under BSD os ...
22.17.08 #       <Gissehel> :o)
22.17.18 #       <Gissehel> well I don't especially like windows
22.17.36 #       <Mezo> well .. I never manage to use it ... ;)
22.17.38 #       <Gissehel> but it's nice to be able to use one computer under windows
22.17.47 #       <Mezo> with me ... it's always crash ...
22.17.51 #       <Gissehel> :o)
22.17.58 #       <[BAMF]Vul> Hey, one other question, how do you install the daily updates files?  or are they not that important unless your having a problem
22.18.17 #       <Mezo> use your brain !
22.18.18 #       <Gissehel> you just have to copy the file !
22.18.39 #       <Gissehel> daily updates ? or daily builds ?
22.18.43 #       <Mezo>     * rockbox-daily-20030326.tar.gz (518854 bytes) Changelog (0 changes)
22.18.43 #       <Mezo> * rockbox-daily-20030327.tar.gz (518871 bytes) Changelog (0 changes) 
22.18.46 #       <Mezo> 0 zeros ...
22.18.47 #       <[BAMF]Vul> i guess the updates
22.18.50 #       <[BAMF]Vul> yea those
22.18.51 #       <Mezo> no need to update ...
22.18.54 #       <[BAMF]Vul> you just change the name?
22.18.57 #       <[BAMF]Vul> to archos.mod?
22.19.03 #       <Gissehel> two things :
22.19.09 #       <Gissehel> either you rename it
22.19.21 #       <Gissehel> either you use "rolo" to boot on it with another name
22.19.45 #       <Gissehel> (don't know if rolo can be used under standard archos, It works under recorder)
22.19.52 #       <LinusN|dinner> [BAMF]Vul: the *.tar.gz files are source code archives
22.20.06 #       <LinusN|dinner> download the firmware files only
22.20.08 #       <PsycoXul> ROLO works under players and recorders both, running rockbox
22.20.28 #       <Gissehel> ok, so you can use rolo
22.20.33 #       <[BAMF]Vul> ok
22.20.39 #       <Gissehel> but use it with "daily builds"
22.20.51 #       <Gissehel> note that daily build may be corrupted
22.21.13 #       <[BAMF]Vul> so unless i have a problem, just stick with the 1.4 release?
22.21.16 #       <LinusN|dinner> not corrupted, but might contain bugs
22.21.28 #       <Gissehel> well yes
22.21.34 #       <Gissehel> like linus says :)
22.21.38 #       <[BAMF]Vul> ok guys
22.21.38 #       <LinusN|dinner> the daily builds have tons of new features you don't want to be without
22.21.44 #       <[BAMF]Vul> hrm
22.21.53 #       <Gissehel> unless you have a problem OR you want a feature that isn't in the stable release
22.22.03 #       <[BAMF]Vul> so just to get this straight, what should i download
22.22.07 #       <Gissehel> and I think there are a lot of new cool features !
22.22.10 #       <[BAMF]Vul> whats it called on the daily release page
22.22.34 #       <Gissehel> [BAMF]Vul: to sum up :
22.22.35 #       <[BAMF]Vul> daily builds page i mean
22.22.41 #       <LinusN|dinner> "target builds"
22.22.51 #       <Gissehel> 1/ download the stable 1.4 rockbox
22.23.02 #       <Gissehel> 2/ download the build for today (20030401)
22.23.18 #       <Gissehel> 3/ put the stable at the root as archos.mod
22.23.36 #       <Gissehel> 4/ put the 20030401 as archos-20030401.mod at the root
22.23.40 #       <Gissehel> boot on the stable
22.24.00 #       <Gissehel> if you want to try the unstable, just execute the file (like you do when you play a song)
22.24.11 #       <Gissehel> then, it will boot on the unstable...
22.24.20 #       <[BAMF]Vul> ohh ok
22.24.38 #       <LinusN|dinner> i would definitely do it the other way, having 1.4 as an alternative
22.25.07 #       <Gissehel> LinusN|dinner: you would, but remember that [BAMF]Vul is stressed by the fact the right light flash ;)
22.25.11 #       <[BAMF]Vul> so boot off the build and have the 1.4 as like archos-14.mod
22.25.17 #       <LinusN|dinner> yup
22.25.29 #       <[BAMF]Vul> im not stressed, just making sure it wasnt anything wrong
22.25.34 #       <[BAMF]Vul> better safe than sorry
22.25.35 #       <LinusN|dinner> we want as many people as possible to run the latest builds
22.25.47 #       <Gissehel> [BAMF]Vul: boot off the one you want to use as every day's one, click on antoher to try another thing...
22.26.16 #       <Gissehel> note that you can boot on the archos os with ROLO too
22.26.21 #       <[BAMF]Vul> last question, then i will leave you alone :)  im running the 1.4 right now, and i can hear my HD spin up and down per the 10 second spindown interval, is that a good time, or should it be longer/shorter
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22.26.57 #       <LinusN> [BAMF]Vul: bitrate?
22.27.17 #       <[BAMF]Vul> ?
22.27.30 #       <[BAMF]Vul> the hard drive just spins down and then after about 30 seconds i hear it restart
22.27.37 #       <[BAMF]Vul> just playing songs at random
22.27.56 #       <LinusN> it should spin down as soon as it has filled the MP3 buffer
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22.28.04 #       <[BAMF]Vul> ok thats what i thought
22.28.17 #       <[BAMF]Vul> and then it restarts after a little bit right
22.28.22 #       <LinusN> except for the first time, where it will wait until the spindown timeout
22.29.12 #       <[BAMF]Vul> alright thanks guys, im gonna try todays build and see if it works
22.29.20 #       <LinusN> 128kbit/s should spin up about once every 90 secs or so
22.32.03 #       <[BAMF]Vul> alright cool it works, the daily build worked great too
22.32.24 #       <LinusN> nice
22.32.33 #       <[BAMF]Vul> i dont remember if i asked, but the build is only good for the new features added that day, not any of the previous builds right?
22.32.33 #       <LinusN> have fun
22.32.45 #       <LinusN> it contains everything
22.32.48 #       <[BAMF]Vul> oh it does
22.32.50 #       <[BAMF]Vul> even better
22.33.01 #       <LinusN> it is a daily release candidate for 2.0
22.33.15 #       <[BAMF]Vul> ohhh
22.33.16 #       <LinusN> (sort of)
22.33.42 #       <[BAMF]Vul> so if your happy running the build, there is no reason you cant run it as your main boot OS
22.33.52 #       <LinusN> exactly
22.34.07 #       <[BAMF]Vul> well good work, this was a really cool idea
22.34.12 #       <[BAMF]Vul> sorry to ask stupid questions and all
22.34.21 #       <LinusN> :-)
22.36.13 #       <adi|work> no worries.. LinusN is used to answering stupid questions..
22.36.18 #       <adi|work> least he has been since i joined ;)
22.36.57 #       <LinusN> :-)
22.38.07 #       <[BAMF]Vul> oh, do any of you know where to download the Archos OS 5.08 for the player?
22.38.16 #       <[BAMF]Vul> all i can ever find on Archos' site is the 5.07a
22.38.40 #       <LinusN> that's probably the same thing
22.38.43 #       <[BAMF]Vul> i have the 5.08 preinstalled on my player, but i would like to have the MOD file in case I want to use it again
22.38.52 #       <[BAMF]Vul> you think?
22.39.07 #       <[BAMF]Vul> the dates were different on the player, so i just assumed that it was a newer one
22.39.12 #       <[BAMF]Vul> but oh well, no big deal
22.39.18 #       <LinusN> it's just like the recorder, where 1.27 is the latest downloadable, but 1.28 is in ROM
22.39.40 #       <LinusN> they never use the same version number for the ROM versions
22.40.11 #       <[BAMF]Vul> oh ok
22.40.25 #       <LinusN> for some reason
22.45.37 Join    DJBaz [0] (bah@modem-1193.porcupine.dialup.pol.co.uk)
22.46.21 #       <DJBaz> hey
22.46.45 #       <LinusN> yo
22.47.09 #       <DJBaz> whats up?
22.47.16 #       <LinusN> coding...
22.47.28 #       <DJBaz> o
22.47.30 #       <DJBaz> what u coding?
22.47.45 #       <LinusN> Xing header generation improvements (VBRFix)
22.48.00 #       <DJBaz> ahh
22.48.02 #       <DJBaz> nice one
22.48.43 #       <DJBaz> when ya have time, an alarm function would be nice :)
22.48.44 #       <DJBaz> but no hurry
22.48.51 #       <LinusN> hehe
22.49.39 #       <DJBaz> hm
22.49.56 #       <DJBaz> o yeh, do u know how to use a winmodem with linux... perferebly mandrake 9.1?
22.50.04 #       <LinusN> speaking of alarm, how would you want to specify which song/playlist to play?
22.50.18 #       <LinusN> it all depends on the winmodem
22.50.30 #       <DJBaz> kk, like what chipset it uses yeh?
22.50.37 #       <Gissehel> I remember the winmodem FAQ...
22.50.39 #       <LinusN> yes
22.50.42 #       <Gissehel> it says something like :
22.50.57 #       <Gissehel> « Are the winmodem supported under linux ?
22.50.57 #       <LinusN> winmodems are not modems
22.51.00 #       <Gissehel> - No !
22.51.07 #       <LinusN> :-)
22.51.09 #       <Gissehel>   Will there be a support one day ?
22.51.11 #       <DJBaz> well u know :P
22.51.13 #       <Gissehel>  - No ! »
22.51.21 #       <Gissehel> that was the FAQ
22.51.21 #       <DJBaz> anyway
22.51.44 #       <LinusN> some manufacturers have released binary drivers for their chipset
22.51.59 #       <thu> there are some drivers for winmodems iirc
22.52.03 #       <DJBaz> the alarm, i would like to beable to set the time, then select the playlist to play or song(s)
22.52.08 #       <thu> I think it was lucent
22.52.12 #       <DJBaz> yeh
22.52.19 #       <DJBaz> just a pain to get them 2 work though
22.52.30 #       <DJBaz> i think ill end up puting linux on ma 400mhz lappy
22.52.46 #       <LinusN> i almost got my winmodem to work on my Dell
22.52.56 #       <DJBaz> nice
22.52.59 #       <LinusN> but i ended up buying a pcmcia modem anyway
22.53.05 #       <DJBaz> heh
22.53.12 #       <DJBaz> it would be easier just to buy a modem :p
22.53.13 #       <LinusN> the damn modem hung up on me all the time
22.53.22 #       <DJBaz> :<
22.53.27 #       <LinusN> no source code
22.53.33 #       <LinusN> f*ck them!
22.53.39 #       <DJBaz> heh
22.54.20 #       <DJBaz> so about the alarm, my sound selection a good idea?
22.54.26 #       <DJBaz> or
22.54.44 #       <DJBaz> how about having an 'alarm' folder, and all it plays is the songs in that folder... that would be lame though
22.55.22 #       <Gissehel> is there a name that is auto loaded for the .cfg file at boot time ?
22.55.50 #       <LinusN> or an ON+Play menu option: "Play on alarm"?
22.56.11 #       <LinusN> Gissehel: no
22.56.13 #       <DJBaz> yeh LinusN, thats good
22.56.22 #       <LinusN> no .cfg file is loaded at boot time
22.56.52 #       <Gissehel> is there a technical reason for that ? or is it that no one want that ?
22.57.04 #       <Gissehel> because I suppose it would be hard to code...
22.57.17 #       <DJBaz> Gissehel technicle reason, LinusN's fingure is up his ass
22.57.18 #       <DJBaz> :>
22.57.26 #       <Gissehel> :)
22.57.38 #       <DJBaz> ;)
22.58.31 #       <DJBaz> and another feature... dont know if its been requrested but how about when ya play a song, it gets logged how many times that song has been played so a playlist can be made up automatically with all the songs that are played most withing a giving criteria
22.58.39 #       <LinusN> Gissehel: the reasons are historical
22.59.04 #       <elinenbe> LinusN: you speak about the receiver on the FM model lik eyou know what is going on... is this foreshadowing?
22.59.04 #       <LinusN> the .cfg files are a pretty new feature
22.59.17 #       <Gissehel> ha ok
22.59.29 #       <Gissehel> I try new rockbox from time to time
22.59.36 #       <DJBaz> try?
22.59.38 #       <Gissehel> so I didn't know if it was new or not
22.59.39 #       <LinusN> elinenbe: i know which chip it is and i know how it is connected
22.59.48 #       <elinenbe> LinusN: nice :)
22.59.57 #       <elinenbe> LinusN: why the 3 hour limit?
22.59.58 #       <LinusN> but i haven't had the time to write any code
22.59.59 #       <DJBaz> i never use the archos firmware
23.00.10 #       <DJBaz> better with rockbox
23.00.22 #       <LinusN> elinenbe: the MAS stops counting frames after approx 3 hours
23.00.28 #       <DJBaz> i only used the archos firmware for 3 days... thats when i first got it
23.00.59 #       <LinusN> it has only 20 bits for the frame counter and it doesn't wrap
23.02.12 #       <elinenbe> could you implement a wrap counter?
23.03.01 #       <Gissehel> don't know if it a requested feature, but one thing that would change rockbox into a god-application would be a file manger with a "commander" like IHM (like {norton,midnight,windows}-commander; with the screen splited in 2 panel in 2 different directory, where you can move, copy, etc...)
23.03.52 #       <LinusN> elinenbe: no, that's in the DSP
23.03.55 #       <DJBaz> Gissehel that would be good, but isnt the lcd 2 small 2 make it effective?
23.04.08 #       <LinusN> Gissehel: write one :-)
23.04.15 #       <DJBaz> heh
23.04.33 #       <DJBaz> LinusN, what distro u using?
23.04.34 #       <Gissehel> LinusN: I was thinging about that ;) but I've too many project in mind :(
23.04.40 #       <LinusN> DJBaz: red hat
23.04.45 #       <DJBaz> kk
23.04.59 #       <LinusN> old habit
23.05.13 #       <DJBaz> heh
23.05.17 #       <DJBaz> i need a new distro
23.05.24 #       <DJBaz> ive got mandrake 9.1 but im on dialup
23.05.31 #       <DJBaz> ill have 2 download it at school
23.06.22 #       <Hes> LinusN: would the counter be in a MAS register, I thought you could (technically speaking) read/write any of them?
23.06.23 #       <elinenbe> LinusN: is it impossible to get to that info, you couldn't do it externally?
23.06.38 #       <Hes> saw loads of funny counters in the register debug view when i wrote that
23.07.29 #       <elinenbe> Hes: "funny coutners" are just there for laughs
23.07.38 #       <LinusN> Hes: yes i can, but i'm not sure about when to reset it
23.08.09 #       <LinusN> i would have to read the register and reset it when it reaches fffff
23.08.44 #       <LinusN> but i'm not sure how to make sure that i write it in a "safe" time slot
23.08.51 #       <Hes> right.
23.09.21 #       <LinusN> and i would have to read the damn register really often, making the peak meters look like sh*t
23.09.47 #       <elinenbe> LinusN: would it have been much easier if it just recorderd in CBR?
23.09.54 #       <Hes> I was thinking of, like, brutally resetting the counter at some not-so-scientifically-determined point in time before it reaches fff...
23.10.06 #       <Hes> and cleaning up the mess later.
23.10.08 #       <LinusN> elinenbe: yup, CBR would be nice
23.10.49 #       <DJBaz> brb
23.10.54 #       <DJBaz> gonna install mandrake
23.10.56 Quit    DJBaz ()
23.11.16 #       <LinusN> Hes: maybe, but i'm not too fond of messing with the mas like that
23.11.18 Join    OnoSendai [0] (geshtolt@dhcp065-029-079-112.indy.rr.com)
23.11.20 #       <OnoSendai> yo
23.11.30 #       <LinusN> yo
23.12.15 #       <Hes> i can see why. 8-)
23.12.19 #       <LinusN> i guess encoding VBR is easier for the DSP
23.13.16 #       <elinenbe> I think you will figure out a way qround VBRFix -- that seems like such a messy solution currently (from an end user standpoint)
23.13.33 #       <OnoSendai> when exactly are we supposed to use that?  i can't find doco
23.14.00 #       <Hes> just my 2 cents before bedtime. Good night!
23.14.01 #       <LinusN> elinenbe: as long as the recordings are short enough, you don't need VBRFix
23.14.02 #       <OnoSendai> to fix VBR Xing headers... ?
23.14.08 #       <LinusN> OnoSendai: yes
23.14.27 #       <OnoSendai> so if i use LAME.. then i have no worries right ?
23.14.54 #       <LinusN> you normally only worry about the recordings you make with the jukebox
23.15.16 #       <OnoSendai> ah... 
23.15.21 #       <OnoSendai> : ) thanks
23.23.32 #       <elinenbe> LinusN: there can never be enough splash()...
23.27.22 #       <LinusN> splash() bugs hard when it needs to wrap the text
23.27.29 #       <LinusN> but i'll let Daniel fix that
23.32.39 Join    Zagor [242] (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se)
23.34.02 #       <LinusN> hi Zagor
23.36.00 #       <adi|work> lol
23.36.01 #       <adi|work> :)
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23.46.48 Quit    edx ()
23.47.11 #       <LinusN> Hes: i just tried, the mas won't let me write to that location
23.51.48 #       <Zagor> hi LinusN
23.51.58 #       <Zagor> found a weird bug in bash
23.52.20 #       <Zagor> "grep string *" takes a lot longer than "ls | xargs fgrep string"
23.53.00 #       <LinusN> weird
23.53.20 #       <LinusN> Zagor: i had a great idea today
23.53.27 #       <Zagor> doom? ;)
23.54.02 #       <LinusN> i realized that i could make use of the MAS frame counter as long as the recording is shorter than 3 hours
23.54.24 #       <Zagor> yeah, I saw in the commit. very nice.
23.54.26 #       <LinusN> that way i can have a correct frame count in the xing header
23.58.34 #       <LinusN> silly MAS