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00.06.16 #       <i_am_pi> or there's always recompile-time =P
00.09.00 #       <MT> or you could use an efficient bucket approach
00.09.16 #       <MT> for bryan adams mp3s
00.09.31 #       <MT> /b/r/bryan adams/album name/
00.15.53 #       <i_am_pi> augh, that would drive me insane if it were any other device.
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03.45.44 #       <franzk> hi all!
03.45.51 #       <franzk> someone at home?
04.05.34 #       <franzk> obviously not... :(
04.15.44 #       <franzk> so... have a great day!!
04.15.51 #       <franzk> i'll try it again...
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09.46.04 #       <Schnueff> moin all
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10.18.20 #       <Quelsaruk> morning
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10.55.04 #       <Quelsaruk> elinenbe: the oscillosgraph is yours?
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11.16.13 #       <tracktheripper> hi
11.17.36 #       <Quelsaruk> hi
11.17.43 #       <tracktheripper> :(
11.17.51 #       <Quelsaruk> ¿?
11.17.58 #       <tracktheripper> :)
11.18.00 #       <tracktheripper> whats up?
11.18.10 #       <Quelsaruk> nothing interesting
11.18.15 #       <Quelsaruk> some working
11.18.30 #       <tracktheripper> apart from someone wanting Doom in full colour on the Multimedia!
11.19.11 #       <tracktheripper> :D
11.19.20 #       <Quelsaruk> of course
11.19.22 #       <Quelsaruk> :)
11.19.35 #       <tracktheripper> lol im off to work in a min, just finished charging my Recorder 10
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14.37.09 #       <Bagder> woooo
14.37.12 #       <dwihno> Hellö! :) 
14.37.24 #       <quel|out> dwihno stormrage??
14.37.31 #       <quel|out> now i fear you
14.37.32 #       <quel|out> ;)
14.37.49 #       <dwihno> :D 
14.37.53 #       <dwihno> Then everything is normal :) 
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14.41.08 #       <dwihno> quel, you're the no. 1 technopriest, I need your advise 
14.41.22 #       <dwihno> And the advise of Zagor, Bagder and Linus and mats and all those almighty :) 
14.41.25 #       <quel|out> before or after i have lunch ?
14.42.57 #       <dwihno> I just got myself a new (external USB2) disk. The disk worked like a charm for the first hours. When I reconnected it, it started clunking. I can't read any data. FreeBSD DO report the disk (or perhaps just the controller?)... The question is, is it possible to restore the data? 
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14.43.37 #       <dwihno> FreeBSD says something like "command invalid" when I try to mount the partition 
14.44.16 #       <quel|out> another external disk?
14.44.25 #       <quel|out> did you fry your first one too??
14.45.35 #       <dwihno> not really 
14.45.41 #       <dwihno> just got it for backup purposes 
14.45.47 #       <quel|out> ah :)
14.45.55 #       <dwihno>                ... but that obviousley fucked up! 
14.46.05 #       <Bagder> you know why archos always claim 128kbit when playing songs recorded with itself?
14.46.23 #       <dwihno> Bagder: there is something with the firmware? ;) 
14.46.27 #       <Bagder> yeah
14.46.30 #       <quel|out> if you want to know... my external case hangs linux on my computer :)
14.46.35 #       <Bagder> it treats the xing header as a normal mp3 frame
14.46.44 #       <Bagder> and xing then looks like a 12
14.46.46 #       <Bagder> 8kbit frame
14.46.58 #       <Bagder> how silly is that? ;-)
14.47.35 #       <dwihno> quel: my box works like a charm under bsd :) 
14.47.59 #       <quel|out> dwihno: you're lucky to be *that* far away from spain
14.48.13 #       <dwihno> Back to the subject. 
14.48.20 #       <dwihno> Is my data forever lost? 
14.48.21 #       <quel|out> or i would throw you my case 
14.48.45 #       * Zagor went snowboarding this weekend
14.48.51 #       * Zagor is now a c00l d00d
14.49.03 #       <dwihno> :D 
14.49.43 #       <Bagder> where were you Z?
14.49.50 #       <Zagor> Åre
14.50.23 #       <quel|out> hey!
14.50.29 #       * dwihno is cool too! (well, soon, at least) 
14.50.40 #       <dwihno> Åre? you evil thing! :D 
14.50.54 #       <quel|out> zagor, here in Granada we still have 70 Kms for skiing and snowboarding :)
14.51.14 #       <Zagor> it was great. 3dm snow on friday, then sun the whole weekend
14.51.22 #       <quel|out> and today we are aprox. at 28ºC :P
14.51.26 #       <Zagor> hehe
14.52.09 #       <dwihno> Zagor: please do advice me. 
14.52.14 #       <dwihno> advise, I ment 
14.52.20 #       <dwihno> Mean ment ment, Keep kept kept 
14.52.23 #       <Zagor> about what?
14.52.29 #       <dwihno> Zagor: the disk issue 
14.53.15 #       <Zagor> you're running fbsd. we don't support that. ;)
14.53.49 #       <Bagder> what prob is that?
14.54.45 #       <dwihno> :-( 
14.54.54 #       <dwihno> I just wonder if I will be able to recover any data 
14.55.33 #       <dwihno> The disk goes: "fiizzzzzz" (spinup) *CLUNK* *CLUNK* *CLUNK* *CLUNK* (until it somehow gives up the attempts to read) 
14.55.42 #       <Bagder> whoa
14.55.51 #       <Bagder> isn't that a usb-storage driver problem?
14.55.52 #       <dwihno> The spinup sounds normal though 
14.56.08 #       <dwihno> The problem is even when I don't attach the drive. 
14.56.17 #       <dwihno> I just need to power it to experience the issue. 
14.56.30 #       <Bagder> uff
14.56.56 #       <Zagor> you mean it sounds like that with no usb cable at all attached?
14.57.01 #       <dwihno> Indeed 
14.57.10 #       <Zagor> boo. return it.
14.57.29 #       <Zagor> or at least call them up and ask them.
14.57.43 #       <dwihno> The clunk sounds are probably the arm going all mongo? 
14.58.07 #       <dwihno> I got a phone number. Too bad it's in Ireland. 
14.58.34 #       <Zagor> but you didn't buy it from ireland, did you?
14.59.01 #       <dwihno> nope 
14.59.07 #       <dwihno> Bought it from Dustin 
14.59.13 #       <dwihno> I wrote a pretty good mail 
14.59.15 #       <Zagor> they handle warranty issues
14.59.34 #       <dwihno> I even attached a mp3 with the sounds. If I only was able to use some kind of server, I'd let you listen too :) 
15.00.33 #       <dwihno> I wrote a mail earlier today, and this is what I got in reply: Alla ärenden av trasiga Maxtor externa sköts av dem själva så vi får inte in dem via oss. 
15.01.00 #       <dwihno> Then I got that Guinness number 
15.02.13 #       <Zagor> dwihno: i'm not sure they are allowed to do that. retailers are responsible for the products they sell.
15.03.19 #       <dwihno> Hm. Once a Nokia monitor died on me, and I had to do stuff myself. Such as contacting a firm who took care of the replacement. 
15.04.15 #       <dwihno> Feels rather dull. 
15.04.30 #       <dwihno> A SPRILLANS NY disk, dying after approx 5 hours 
15.04.34 #       <dwihno> Must be a record. 
15.05.11 #       <dwihno> After a google-session, I also found another dude who experienced the same "clunk clunk" death. He had converted 300 CD's when it died :-/ 
15.05.59 #       <DJBaz> omg
15.07.04 #       <dwihno> Where's your so-called God when your hard disk dies? ;) 
15.07.36 #       <Bagder> in the backup
15.07.39 #       <Bagder> ;-)
15.08.26 #       <DJBaz> :>
15.08.44 #       <dwihno> :-) 
15.08.49 #       <dwihno> Backup is for sissies 
15.08.55 #       <Bagder> and for 300 CDs
15.09.01 #       <dwihno> :-) 
15.09.03 #       <dwihno> True, true. 
15.09.12 #       <dwihno> You think the data is gone down the drain? 
15.10.06 #       <Bagder> yes
15.10.24 #       <Bagder> I don't think they'll repair it
15.10.26 #       <Bagder> they replace it
15.11.13 #       <dwihno> ah 
15.11.20 #       <dwihno> I wonder what they do with it afterwards. 
15.11.38 #       <dwihno> Paperweights? :) 
15.11.43 #       <Bagder> yeah
15.11.53 #       <dwihno> Kast-med-liten-disk 
15.12.05 #       <dwihno> Or perhaps they repair them and sell them as new? ^_^ 
15.12.13 #       <Bagder> I doubt it
15.12.37 #       <Bagder> I doubt that is cost-effective
15.12.38 #       <dwihno> Haven't archos done anything like that? 
15.12.41 #       <dwihno> True. 
15.12.42 #       <Bagder> yes
15.13.04 #       <Bagder> but that's because the warranty says you should get a "new or equivalent" one in case yours break
15.13.09 #       <dwihno> ah 
15.13.18 #       <dwihno> Disks are pretty hard to repair? 
15.13.36 #       <Bagder> I don't really know, I'm just guessing
15.13.45 #       <dwihno> *google for answers* 
15.14.47 #       <dwihno> *read "how hard disk work"* 
15.18.31 #       <dwihno> Damn they're smooth! 
15.18.39 #       <dwihno> I would use those platters as a mirror :) 
15.19.17 #       <Bagder> makes a good clock
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15.22.33 #       <dwihno> Erhm. What is low level formatting? 
15.23.29 #       <Zagor> dwihno: ancient stuff. you don't do that anymore.
15.24.01 #       <dwihno> Must be ancient. I remember a BIOS thing in a 386 computer. 
15.24.26 #       <dwihno> "What? There were computers slower than 2GHz?!" 
15.24.28 #       <dwihno> :-) 
15.26.57 #       <dwihno> *sigh* I guess I'll have to phone those Irish support dudes and tell them I want a new disk! :) 
15.30.16 #       <Bluechip> low level formatting is the process of laying down the magnetic pattern that guides the heads over the platters - it is a last resort for recovering a dead drive (which may be relevant here).  If you do this - DO NOT stop half way through or the disk is bin-worthy without specialist equipment that is tailored for that specific model of drive.  "SpinRite" *may* help you depending on what has happened
15.31.17 #       <dwihno> hmm 
15.33.06 #       <dwihno> looks pretty neato 
15.33.33 #       <dwihno> Too bad the computer doesn't wanna' mambo with the disk :-/ :-) 
15.34.13 #       <Bluechip> not even identified by the bios?
15.40.13 #       <dwihno> It's an external disk :-) 
15.41.30 #       <Bluechip> is it not just an ide drive in a usb converter box?
15.42.36 #       <Zagor> it might be a bad idea to open the box if you want to claim warranty
15.43.22 #       <dwihno> It will void it. 
15.44.03 #       <dwihno> When I started tearing it apart, I found the sticker "warranty void if box opened" (or something similar) 
15.44.29 #       <Zagor> yes. that is normal.
15.45.26 #       <dwihno> snafu, as always ;) 
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15.52.26 #       <Bluechip> you can take most of those stickers off easily with a hair dryer
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16.01.52 #       <Zagor> yay! theyr.net is back online!
16.03.10 #       <dwihno> the yöör? 
16.04.01 #       <Zagor> it's the best weather site ever. they were down for over a year.
16.04.03 #       <dwihno> what a cool thingy! 
16.04.20 #       <dwihno> I can see my house! ;) 
16.04.25 #       <Zagor> hehe
16.04.44 #       <Bagder> daniel.haxx.se/hus/ <= here's my new house ;-)
16.07.01 #       <dwihno> Herre min skapare 
16.07.05 #       <dwihno> Det var vackert! 
16.07.37 #       <dwihno> Mmm. Carport :)~ 
16.07.46 #       <dwihno> Reminds me - I need to patch my bicycle. 
16.08.11 #       <quel|out> i'm back
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16.08.24 #       <quelsaruk> and with 2 goats for dwihno ;)
16.08.31 #       <Bagder> 2!
16.08.32 #       <dwihno> You're a lifesaver! 
16.08.37 #       <Bagder> gee, he's lucky!
16.08.42 #       <quelsaruk> do you still need them? :P
16.08.46 #       <dwihno> I sure do! 
16.09.05 #       <quelsaruk> Bagder: thanks for the critic :)
16.09.05 #       <dwihno> And some technopriestism, to top everything off. 
16.09.16 #       <Bagder> you're welcome
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16.09.39 #       <quelsaruk> technopriestism is only possible at midnight, you should know that
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16.10.01 #       <quelsaruk> lobgot explain quelsaruk
16.10.36 #       <Bagder> lobgoat?
16.10.53 #       <dwihno> :-) 
16.11.12 #       <quelsaruk> logbot
16.11.13 #       <quelsaruk> :P
16.11.20 #       <quelsaruk> i need a siesta
16.11.29 #       <quelsaruk> logbot explain quelsaruk
16.11.46 >>>     "cmd" by quelsaruk (swordmaste@faerun.ugr.es)
16.11.57 >>>     "sview -a quelsaruk" by Bagder (~dast@neptunus.contactor.se)
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16.12.10 #       <quelsaruk> ok
16.12.16 #       <quelsaruk> someone hates me
16.12.17 #       <quelsaruk> ;)
16.12.20 #       <Bagder> you're using a new mask again
16.12.37 >>>     "usermod -p - quelsaruk" by Bagder (~dast@neptunus.contactor.se)
16.12.38 #       <quelsaruk> sorry Bagder
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16.12.42 #       <quelsaruk> :(
16.12.45 >>>     "usermod -p - quelsaruk" by Bagder (~dast@neptunus.contactor.se)
16.12.52 #       <Bagder> try now
16.12.56 #>>     "explain quelsaruk" by quelsaruk (swordmaste@faerun.ugr.es)
16.13.05 #       <quelsaruk> i'm a bit stupid
16.13.06 #       <quelsaruk> :P
16.13.25 #       <quelsaruk> dwihno: sacrifice at midnight!! logbot says taht
16.13.26 #       <quelsaruk> that
16.14.36 #       <dwihno> :) 
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16.14.52 #       <dwihno> oops 
16.14.53 #       <Schnueff> ssh
16.14.54 #       <dwihno> stupid client :) 
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16.15.01 #       <quelsaruk> dwihno has gone mad :P
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16.15.08 #       <Schnueff> madder :)
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17.40.57 #       <RedLeg> Greetings!
17.41.43 #       <RedLeg> Any hardware gurus on-line?  I'm having a wierd hard drive problem...
17.42.56 #       <quelsaruk> if it is a weird hd problem.. i'm your man ;)
17.44.42 #       <RedLeg> Kewl, I upgraded to a 60gig toshiba drive a few months ago, and all was working fine.
17.45.27 #       <RedLeg> Then last week, I got an "HD register error" followed by register info at boot, and the Archos won't spin up the drive.
17.46.03 #       <RedLeg> The drive works just fine outside the Archos Recorder20, and other drives (non toshiba) work fine in the recorder.
17.46.34 #       <RedLeg> Archos Tech Support recommended I format the drive, which I have done, but it made no difference.
17.46.43 #       <quelsaruk> jummss
17.47.00 #       <RedLeg> Any suggestions?
17.48.15 #       <quelsaruk> i haven't seen that error before. I mean, my 30GB gave me some problems, but only if i had low batt.
17.48.37 #       <quelsaruk> could it be that the drive is locked?
17.48.58 #       <RedLeg> I've tried three different sets of fully charged 1800mah batteries, no difference.
17.49.42 #       <RedLeg> If  the drive were locked, would I be able to use it on another machine?  It works fine on a regular IDE controller or in a USB exterbal enclosure.
17.50.03 #       <quelsaruk> no, i suppose you wouldn't be able
17.50.18 #       <quelsaruk> jums
17.50.22 #       <quelsaruk> i have no idea.
17.50.33 #       <quelsaruk> sorry
17.50.37 #       <RedLeg> Yeah, I'm stumped too...
17.51.09 #       <RedLeg> Strange thing is, I put another small (also fully functional) toshiba drive in, and got the same problem.
17.51.34 #       <RedLeg> Register values in the error message were identical.
17.51.52 #       <quelsaruk> your jukebox is a bit racist
17.51.54 #       <quelsaruk> that's all
17.51.56 #       <quelsaruk> ;)
17.52.33 #       <RedLeg> Well, I could accept that, except it worked for MONTHS with this drive in it, and then just quit.
17.54.20 #       <quelsaruk> btw, is your toshiba drive noisy?
17.54.45 #       <RedLeg> No, I wouldn't call it noisy.
17.54.56 #       <quelsaruk> i saw a jukebox with a 6GB toshiba and was a lot more noisy than mine (hitachi)
17.55.11 #       <quelsaruk> like a jet airplane :)
17.55.33 #       <RedLeg> But given the difficulty I'm having, and  the fact that the Archos doesn't like TWO toshiba drives, I can't recommend one for this application.
17.55.48 #       <quelsaruk> :)
17.56.42 #       <RedLeg> Have you heard of anyone else upgrading to a 60g drive?
18.00.01 #       <quelsaruk> yups
18.00.06 #       <quelsaruk> 2 or 3
18.00.17 #       <quelsaruk> dw|gone has a 60 gb hd drive
18.00.21 #       <quelsaruk> but he's gone ;)
18.01.07 #       <RedLeg> I'm curious what brand HD they used, and if they have heard of this problem.
18.01.39 #       <quelsaruk> i know there was a problem with 60gb hd drives
18.01.55 #       <quelsaruk> i saw something at the mail list
18.02.01 #       <quelsaruk> but can't remember
18.02.14 #       <quelsaruk> if you want, you could read the mail list
18.03.38 #       <RedLeg> OK, I'll check the archives (I assume they're online somewhere?)
18.06.03 #       <quelsaruk> http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/
18.08.53 #       <RedLeg> Found it, I'm searching now.  Do remember when?
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18.09.37 #       <quelsaruk> 3 weeks or so
18.09.39 #       <quelsaruk> i think
18.09.41 #       <quelsaruk> in march
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18.19.42 #       <RedLeg> I found a reference to exactly my problem, and a solution.
18.20.34 #       <RedLeg> The reference posting is at http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2003-01/1236.shtml
18.21.08 #       <RedLeg> Followup at: http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2003-02/0137.shtml
18.21.30 #       <RedLeg> Solution (I have not yet verified) at: http://kharendaen.dyndns.org:8000/~henke/public/mk1214gap/
18.21.56 #       <RedLeg> I hope this works, I do NOT want to buy another 60 gig since 80s just came out.....
18.22.45 #       <quelsaruk> well... seems that i've been of some help, after all :)
18.22.54 #       <RedLeg> Yes, Thank you.
18.22.59 #       <quelsaruk> sorry i hadn't remember that before
18.23.00 #       <quelsaruk> :)
18.23.12 #       <RedLeg> I owe you a beverage of your choice....
18.24.02 #       <quelsaruk> not at all
18.24.26 #       <quelsaruk> it's my tribute to the society ;P
18.25.25 #       <RedLeg> I'm still trying to figure out why this happened.....  Apparently the Archos is leaking enough current to CSEL the drive to slave.
18.26.04 #       <RedLeg> But it worked fine for months, and I changed NOTHING!  A simple power cycle triggered it.
18.27.17 #       <RedLeg> Thanks again...
18.27.21 #       <RedLeg> TTFN
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18.56.37 #       <Bluechip> I was told to ask here about how the code hangs together.. any gurus in?
18.57.55 #       <quelsaruk> i'm not a guru, but i don't understand what does that "hang" mean.. english is not my native language :(
18.59.01 #       <Bluechip> understood :)... ermm.... "procedure tree" would be a BAD reword - but i think it will tell you what i mean
19.01.39 #       <Bluechip> i am looking to try and understand the scheduler
19.02.06 #       <Bluechip> ...how the each C file interacts with each other C file
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19.07.37 #       <quelsaruk> ahhhhh
19.07.54 #       <quelsaruk> now i understand...
19.07.58 #       <Bluechip> :)
19.08.51 #       <quelsaruk> uff
19.09.08 #       <Bluechip> "uff"?
19.09.25 #       <quelsaruk> you want to know how does each file interacts with the others?
19.10.00 #       <quelsaruk> i dunno.. i would have to read allsourece code and tell you which file interacts with this or that one.. :(
19.10.49 #       <Bluechip> not in great detail (well not yet) but in a general way...
19.11.57 #       <Bluechip> If I am going to start patching, I will need to have an idea of how it works - and I'm jsut trying to save (lots of) time
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19.12.19 #       <quelsaruk> ajam...
19.13.26 #       <quelsaruk> i dunno how to explain this... 
19.13.29 #       <quelsaruk> ......
19.13.50 #       <Bluechip> lol - i understand - ANY information you can offer will surely help me :)
19.15.28 #       <Bluechip> there is almost -no- comments in the code :(
19.15.29 #       <Bluechip> it is quite hard to read when you don't know what is happening
19.16.59 #       <quelsaruk> i don't even know how to start.
19.17.23 #       <quelsaruk> i've tried to make 2 or 3 patches... and i knew where to look at.. so.. 
19.17.41 #       <quelsaruk> :(
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19.18.14 #       <quelsaruk> i suppose you need to talk with a real guru
19.18.20 #       <quelsaruk> :)
19.18.24 #       <Bluechip> lol ;)
19.18.29 #       <quelsaruk> adiamas|work: are you here?
19.18.41 #       <adiamas|work> yup.. whats up?
19.18.41 #       <quelsaruk> elinenbe?
19.18.46 #       <quelsaruk> adi
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19.18.58 #       <quelsaruk> could you answer Bluechip :)
19.19.02 #       <Bluechip> :)
19.19.07 #       <adi|work> k.. one sec..
19.19.13 #       <quelsaruk> i don't know how to start :)
19.19.18 #       <quelsaruk> or continue
19.19.31 #       <quelsaruk> (i'm fighting with the manual)
19.19.49 #       <adi|work> okay. Bluechip. id say approach it this way...
19.19.53 #       <adi|work> find an itch
19.19.56 #       <adi|work> then scratch
19.19.58 #       <adi|work> repeat
19.20.02 #       <adi|work> :)
19.20.13 #       <adi|work> for instance... sokoban was bugging me.. so i rewrote it :)
19.20.21 #       <quelsaruk> ah! and adi|work, on recorders, settings are saved in both RTC and HD no?
19.20.30 #       <adi|work> well.. patched patch patched... and then eric encouraged me to rework i t:)
19.20.35 #       <adi|work> yes
19.20.45 #       <adi|work> umm.. wait..
19.20.49 #       <adi|work> RTC for sure...
19.20.57 #       <adi|work> HD do you mean in a config file? or in HD space?
19.21.06 #       <Bluechip> I found an itch - but everybody said don't scratch it :(
19.21.14 #       <quelsaruk> players  save their settings on HD, and i think recorders do that also
19.21.15 #       <adi|work> hehe what was your itch?
19.21.27 #       <adi|work> hmm im not 100% quelsaruk... 
19.21.37 #       <adi|work> been ages since i touched the settings stuff...
19.22.00 #       <quelsaruk> i have to write that for the man
19.22.04 #       <Bluechip> i thought that something I could do would be to optimise the core libs into asm (strcmp etc.)  also noticed that I could get about 4k of rom space back
19.22.04 #       <quelsaruk> :)
19.22.19 #       <adi|work> Bluechip: not worth it..
19.22.34 #       <adi|work> sokoban alone with its dynamic level loading gives us 30k back :)
19.23.00 #       <adi|work> and if you do an assembly rewrite we are back to square one with debugging core libs...
19.23.33 #       <adi|work> and have even less eyes since the general level of devs are more then likely less assembly oriented...
19.23.43 #       <adi|work> besides.. thats not an itch.. thats a compulsion ;)
19.23.57 #       <Bluechip> <shrugs>
19.23.58 #       <adi|work> and itch would be: "hmmm.. i want an inverted cursor... how do i do that..."
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19.24.14 #       <adi|work> or "oh.. we don't have chess... let me write that"
19.24.33 #       <adi|work> or if you _really_ wanna work ;)
19.24.38 #       <adi|work> help quelsaruk with the docs...
19.24.49 #       <adi|work> as you read code, write down all the key combos and what they do...
19.25.46 #       <Bluechip> yes, but after writing a decompiler and a silicon level cpu simulator - flashing a cursor is not really of interest to me
19.25.54 #       <adi|work> the eagerness is appreciated, but the benefits don't outweigh the drawbacks...
19.26.14 #       <adi|work> heheh i understand..
19.26.23 #       <Bluechip> fair enough - mybe I will just play at home
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19.26.27 #       <adi|work> find something else
19.26.41 #       <adi|work> if there is something in a way you don't like... rework it..
19.26.56 #       <adi|work> just cause its in don't mean features can't be replaced if you have a better method :)
19.27.23 #       <Bluechip> so can i ask what is so special about this MASSIVE rand() function?
19.27.51 #       <adi|work> all i know is that its more psuedo random then the old version...
19.28.22 #       <Bluechip> it has a longer period, so if you have more than four billion files to sort, you will not see a recurring pattern
19.28.48 #       <Bluechip> it's pointless overkill!?
19.29.26 #       <Bluechip> but as the shuffle function written so well, you would never see the difference anyway
19.30.29 #       <adi|work> dunno... need to argue that with the swedish lads
19.31.13 #       <adi|work> okay... snowing bad.. going home...
19.31.13 #       <adi|work> later all
19.31.16 #       * adi|work is away: going home
19.31.29 #       <Bluechip> ok dude - cheers
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19.53.01 #       <elinenbe> does rockbox REALLY improve the archos?
19.53.11 #       <elinenbe> I'll believe it when I see it.
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19.58.21 #       <quelsaruk> elinenbe?
19.58.42 #       <quelsaruk> are you drunk?
19.58.44 #       <quelsaruk> :)
19.59.45 #       <Dragonfly1600> i hav a question...
20.01.44 #       <Dragonfly1600> is there any way that i can change my jukebox studio 10 so that when i play songs, the song name scrolls, not the artist?
20.10.49 #       <quelsaruk> ummm
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20.10.58 #       <quelsaruk> changing his wps?
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21.19.00 #       <TBoy> hoi
21.19.22 #       <quelsaruk> hi
21.25.17 #       <quelsaruk> time to go home!
21.25.18 #       <quelsaruk> cu
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21.42.47 #       <TBoy> ehm
21.43.52 #       <TBoy> is it possible too boot to the archos f/w with rb on it
21.44.48 #       <TBoy> without roloin'
21.52.39 #       <PsycoXuul> why?
22.01.00 #       <TBoy> because I have a fm
22.01.21 #       <TBoy> and sometime I just get wicked and want to listen to radio
22.02.01 #       <PsycoXuul> so whats wrong with rolo'ing it?
22.04.43 #       <TBoy> hmm nothing
22.05.07 #       <TBoy> see I just thought about the roloing the time I mentioned it
22.05.17 #       <PsycoXuul> heh
22.05.25 #       <TBoy> I should have recalled my question
22.05.36 #       <TBoy> which I shall do right now
22.05.55 #       <PsycoXuul> :p
22.06.11 #       <TBoy> :D
22.06.45 #       <TBoy> hey have you guys heared about rio
22.07.11 #       <TBoy> its old news but the went/going out of business
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22.09.02 #       <PsycoXuul> didn't they get bought by creative or somebody?
22.15.09 #       <TBoy> oh didn't hear about that
22.15.31 #       <TBoy> just noticed that they are selling everything at low prices
22.15.33 #       <TBoy> now
22.15.36 #       <TBoy> well 
22.15.40 #       <TBoy> gotta go
22.15.42 #       <TBoy> cya
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22.54.10 #       <hitsuji> hi?
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22.54.41 #       <BoD[]> hi!
22.54.43 #       <hitsuji> is there anybody?=
22.55.02 #       <BoD[]> there's me
22.55.11 #       <hitsuji> why do i get those statements "unregistered copy, evaluation only"???
22.55.35 #       <BoD[]> where
22.55.40 #       <hitsuji> can anybody speak german? my english is quite baaaad..
22.55.43 #       <MT> rockbox is now pay per use
22.55.56 #       <BoD[]> :_)))
22.56.00 #       <MT> $0.02 per mp3
22.56.25 #       <MT> but you get a 999999 year evaluation period
22.56.36 #       <BoD[]> is it possible to pay in €
22.56.41 #       <hitsuji> i have just installed rockbox and a question about it
22.57.05 #       <hitsuji> i can not find that "trickle charge" option???
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22.57.16 #       <Bagder> evening
22.57.28 #       <hitsuji> hi
22.57.42 #       <hitsuji> where is that "trickle charge" option?
22.57.47 #       <BoD[]> hi :)
22.57.59 #       <hitsuji> i only can find "deep discharge"
22.58.17 #       <Bagder> running a somewhat recent daily build?
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22.59.06 #       <hutsuji> nope. running version 1.4 recorder
22.59.16 #       <Bagder> no trickle charge in that version
22.59.35 #       <hutsuji> oh, so i have to install the lates daily build?
22.59.51 #       <Bagder> not necessarily the latest, but a daily build yes
23.00.58 #       <BoD[]> like the old saying says: "latest best est"
23.01.53 #       <hutsuji> ok thanks. "trickle charge off" means, that the AJB will not be charged while connected?
23.02.12 #       <Bagder> no
23.02.29 #       <Bagder> if connected, it will charge
23.02.33 #       <Bagder> no matter what
23.02.51 #       <hutsuji> hmm, than i missunderstood
23.03.10 #       <Bagder> trickle charge just makes it charge somewhat "more"
23.03.28 #       <Bagder> why connect the power if you don't want to charge?
23.04.05 #       <hutsuji> i tried to explain it (but not easy for me in english)
23.04.50 #       <hutsuji> i tought it wood be possible to run the AJB with that option without using battery for example while i copy mp3s on it
23.05.09 #       <hutsuji> wood!?!? ...would i mean *gg*
23.06.07 #       <Bagder> it *always* uses batteries
23.06.34 #       <Bagder> even when the power is connected
23.07.21 #       <Bagder> and while using USB you can use more power than the charger charges
23.07.31 #       <hutsuji> hm, ic. thanks. 
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23.09.01 #       <tracktheripper> Hello
23.09.16 #       <Bagder> hi
23.09.17 #       <hutsuji> hi
23.10.09 #       <tracktheripper> hi Badger :)
23.10.13 #       <tracktheripper> hi Hutsuji
23.10.20 #       <tracktheripper> I just had an email from Archos
23.10.21 #>>     "explain badget" by Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se)
23.10.24 #>>     "explain badger" by Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se)
23.10.32 #       <Bagder> :-P
23.11.02 #       <tracktheripper> Archos said they ARE looking to support WMA for the Jukeboxes
23.11.19 #       <hutsuji> :)
23.11.28 #       <Bagder> yeah yeah yeah suuuuure
23.11.34 #       <Bagder> :-)
23.11.40 #       <BoD[]> what's the point ?
23.11.44 #       <Bagder> I think you talked to a salesperson
23.11.53 #       <BoD[]> who wants wma ? :)
23.12.44 #       <hutsuji> but it would make sence, using the AJB by power supply without using battery?
23.12.47 #       <tracktheripper> well WMA offers same sound quality as MP3 but half the file size (alledgely)
23.13.02 #       <Bagder> hutsuji: its not possible
23.13.10 #       <BoD[]> i'd rather buy a bigger hard drive
23.13.11 #       <hutsuji> hm. ok ;)
23.13.16 #       <tracktheripper> well according to Archos it is badger :-)
23.13.29 #       <tracktheripper> they did say ALL Jukeboxes
23.13.35 #       <BoD[]> wma has copy prevention schemes, right ?
23.13.36 #       <Bagder> they SAY so yes
23.13.45 #       <Bagder> I'll shutup when I see it
23.13.56 #       <Bagder> which I bet we won't
23.14.00 #       <tracktheripper> :-) you are beginning to sound just like Zagor (grumpy) :-)
23.14.21 #       <Bagder> that's because I'm not as easily fooled as you are ;-)
23.14.38 #       <tracktheripper> Archos is currently working on supporting WMA format for all Jukebox players. While this is planned it is not guaranteed and I can give you no timeframe for when such an update might be released. It will only support standard MP3 format at this time
23.14.51 #       <tracktheripper> thats what Archos emailed to me
23.14.55 #       <Bagder> so?
23.15.22 #       <tracktheripper> Archos is currently working on supporting WMA format for all Jukebox players.
23.15.25 #       <tracktheripper> there u go :-)
23.15.31 #       <BoD[]> :))))
23.15.33 #       <Bagder> they said that, yes
23.15.39 #       <Bagder> I don't believe that anyway
23.15.40 #       <tracktheripper> why would Archos lie?
23.15.41 #       <tracktheripper> lol
23.15.42 #       <BoD[]> "it is not guaranteed"
23.15.44 #       <hutsuji> so when i use deep discharge on?
23.15.57 #       <Bagder> because you didn't get a reply from a tech person
23.16.01 #       <Bagder> only a sales person
23.16.03 #       <adi|home> damnit.. i am getting _seriously_ tired of ppl coming in and asking about missing features
23.16.05 #       <Bagder> they lie for a living
23.16.09 #       <tracktheripper> :(
23.16.12 #       <adi|home> when they are using a build > 6 months old
23.16.16 #       <tracktheripper> ((is off to have a quiet sulk somewhere))
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23.16.34 #       <Bagder> hutsuji: if you have the charger connected during long times for example
23.16.38 #       <adi|home> and then my second favorite is, login, ask a question, wait 5 seconds, log off..
23.16.39 #       <tracktheripper> Bagder who would u say is more miserable? Zagor or Adimas? :-)
23.16.47 #       <adi|home> me
23.16.49 #       <tracktheripper> ((joke)) :-)
23.16.50 #       <adi|home> easily me
23.16.52 #       <adi|home> :)
23.16.53 #       <Bagder> tracktheripper: I don't buy blatant lies, you do
23.16.54 #       <adi|home> sciatica
23.16.54 #       <tracktheripper> lol :)
23.17.00 #       <adi|home> cold
23.17.01 #       <hutsuji> ok. need to learn mory english i think *g*
23.17.03 #       <Bagder> that's not being miserable
23.17.06 #       <adi|home> it snowing, _again_
23.17.07 #       <hutsuji> y=e
23.17.07 #       <tracktheripper> hey Bagder, that wasnt very nice :(
23.17.08 #       <hutsuji> n8y
23.17.18 #       <BoD[]> adi: snow? where
23.17.20 #       <Bagder> so please back off your whining
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23.17.31 #       <tracktheripper> sowwieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
23.17.31 #       <tracktheripper> :)
23.17.31 #       <adi|home> but hey... my job doen'st pay me regularly... but at least my job sucks.
23.17.43 #       <tracktheripper> my job sucks as well :(
23.17.53 #       * adi|home winks at Badger
23.17.59 #       <BoD[]> in two weeks i won't have a job anymore
23.18.03 #       <tracktheripper> sorry if I keep misspelling your name Bagder
23.18.09 #       <tracktheripper> i keep reading it as Badger
23.18.11 #       <Bagder> no worries
23.18.14 #       <Bagder> happens all the time
23.18.19 #       <tracktheripper> lol
23.18.22 #       <Bagder> I guess I got myself to blame ;-)
23.18.28 #       <tracktheripper> its the visual match thats why :-)
23.18.55 #       <tracktheripper> the request "Make Full Colour Doom on the MM" made me laugh my head off :-)
23.19.26 #       <adi|home> "Whats the difference between Bagder and badger?   Well.. one is covered in knotted hair, has long sharp nails and smells.  The other lives in the woods."
23.19.27 #       <adi|home> lol
23.19.27 #       <adi|home> :)
23.19.39 #       <tracktheripper> heehee :-)
23.19.42 #       <tracktheripper> Adimas!!!
23.19.48 #       * adi|home loves Bagder
23.19.48 #       <tracktheripper> that was a bit cruel!
23.19.48 #       <Bagder> hahaha
23.19.52 #       * adi|home is just bored :)
23.19.59 #       <adi|home> its a variation on the lawyer joke
23.20.09 #       <BoD[]> héhéhé :)
23.20.13 #       <tracktheripper> Adimas still prob hates me for that feature request I submitted :-P
23.20.18 #       <adi|home> whats the diff between a lawyer and a catfish?
23.20.21 #       <tracktheripper> actually it was 2 requests
23.20.34 #       <adi|home> ones a bottom dwelling scum sucker, the other's a fish.
23.20.40 #       <tracktheripper> :)
23.20.56 #       <adi|home> i felt bad for the guy that couldn't get doom working on his unit
23.21.02 #       <tracktheripper> awwwww
23.21.12 #       <adi|home> "all it says is 'you have been fooled!'.. what am i doing wrong?"
23.21.13 #       <tracktheripper> lol
23.21.23 #       <BoD[]> :))))
23.21.34 #       <adi|home> BoD[]: Ny, Rockland county.
23.21.36 #       <adi|home> snow wise
23.21.37 #       <tracktheripper> Adimas it was me who sent the request "Make The Normal Recorder pick up FM Like the FM recorder" :-)
23.21.50 #       <adi|home> i don't remember
23.22.05 #       <BoD[]> wow do i lag a lot here
23.22.06 #       <adi|home> but that person deserves a stiff clubing with a thawed rotting trout.
23.22.11 Ctcp    Ping on #rockbox from BoD[]!~BoD@m131.net81-67-41.noos.fr
23.22.24 #       <tracktheripper> yea although that was sent by Nobody it was actually me, since I didn't log on (was too afraid to log on to send that ) :-)
23.23.35 #       <tracktheripper> :D
23.27.21 #       <josh966> hmm, it keeps saying failed when I try to write a config file
23.27.54 #       <Bagder> and you have a .rockbox dir?
23.28.35 #       <josh966> no.. do i have to create manually?
23.28.45 #       <Bagder> yes, in the root
23.28.56 Quit    adi|home (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
23.29.06 #       <Bagder> we have no mkdir code yet 
23.29.13 #       <josh966> ah ok
23.30.12 #       <josh966> perhaps i should file a bug for a more describe error msg until mkdir is implemented
23.30.18 #       <josh966> s/describe/descriptive/
23.30.32 #       <tracktheripper> Honestly, can the MAS chip in the Jukebox actuallly be reprogrammed?
23.30.54 #       <Bagder> tracktheripper: yes it can, but there's not very much room for new code
23.31.01 #       <tracktheripper> oh right
23.31.07 #       <tracktheripper> i thought it was a hard-coded chip
23.31.28 #       <BoD[]> by the way.. is it not possible to queue a directory?
23.31.40 #       <Bagder> BoD[]: nope
23.32.11 #       <BoD[]> was it possible in the early versions or did I dream it ? :)
23.32.38 #       <Bagder> I'd say you were dreaming ;-)
23.32.49 #       <Bagder> not a bad dream though
23.33.09 #       <BoD[]> well :) I was sure it was there
23.33.19 #       <tracktheripper> Bod you can in the Archos firmware
23.33.37 #       <Bagder> shouldn't be *that* hard to add
23.33.40 #       <BoD[]> yeah.. well anyway my unit is almost dead
23.34.15 #       <BoD[]> oh sometimes it won't boot... it turns on, then off
23.34.27 #       <BoD[]> but if i keep On pressed, it boots
23.34.48 #       <BoD[]> i mean.. what is that :))
23.35.36 #       <josh966> Bod[]: I have seen that when the battery is very low
23.35.43 #       <tracktheripper> Bagder will the "inverted video line" appear soon?
23.35.58 #       <Bagder> sure, as soon as someone writes a patch
23.36.06 #       <tracktheripper> Joquam did!
23.36.07 #       <tracktheripper> heehee!
23.36.10 #       <Bagder> nope
23.36.31 #       <tracktheripper> :(
23.38.24 #       <BoD[]> josh : do you any idea why ? I mean.. either the batteries are slow, and the disk can't spin, or they are full enough to make it spin, but why does it depend on me pressing On a long time ?
23.39.17 #       <BoD[]> and i'm not in electronics or anything ;) but doesn't sound logical to me
23.41.33 #       <josh966> I dunno..on my box there seemed to be a correlation between spinning up the hd and crashing/freezing.  maybe the voltage momentarily dropped low enough to make one of the components feel woozy.  do you see the prob when you are plugged in?
23.42.06 #       <BoD[]> hmmmm I'd say no but didn't really test
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23.48.06 #       <adam> heh
23.48.09 #       * adam returns
23.52.16 Join    DJBaz [0] (~baz@modem-2680.lemur.dialup.pol.co.uk)
23.52.21 #       <adam> hey
23.52.30 #       <DJBaz> ladz
23.52.37 #       * adam notes he is getting pissed at bestbuy
23.52.51 #       <adam> I returned my FM a day ago
23.53.00 #       <adam> and I haven't seen my money re-appear on my checking account
23.53.01 #       <DJBaz> y?
23.53.09 #       <adam> I want to buy a multimedia
23.53.19 #       <DJBaz> o rite lol
23.53.33 #       <DJBaz> will there be a rockbox for multimedia?
23.53.37 #       <adam> no
23.53.46 #       <adam> totally different machine
23.54.50 #       <josh966> anyone have the remote control?   http://www.archos.com/lang=en//products/prw_300070_specs.html?country=us
23.56.13 #       <adam> I think someone had it
23.56.17 #       <adam> wouldn't do me much good ;p
23.56.46 #       <josh966> yes i have an fmrec too.  i was curious how hard it would be to make it talk to an fmrec.
23.56.55 #       <adam> probably hard
23.57.02 #       <Bagder> dead-hard
23.57.09 #       <Bagder> the fm lacks hw for it
23.57.22 #       <josh966> what port does he use?
23.57.30 #       <adam> the FM recorder uses the headphone wires as antenna
23.57.36 #       <adam> it uses the headphone wires, didn't it?
23.57.54 #       <adam> well, just the headphone port
23.57.59 #       <Bagder> that might be it, I don't remember