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00.12.11 #       <Bagder> some people write looooong mails
00.12.30 #       <Bagder> a 33K plain text mail was posted on the svn list just now
00.13.30 #       <Zagor> tikes
00.13.32 #       <Zagor> y
00.14.29 #       <Bagder> mini-itx.com is cool site btw, they sell lots of weird itx boxes
00.14.41 #       <Zagor> yeah
00.15.19 #       <BoD[]> itx ?
00.15.33 #       <Bagder> mini-itx is a tiny VIA motherboard
00.15.42 #       <BoD[]> ah ok
00.16.09 #       <BoD[]> is it what they put in the shuttle cases ?
00.16.09 #       <Bagder> suitable for making small quiet boxes, like an stationary mp3 player or so
00.18.15 #       <BoD[]> anyway ;)
00.18.21 #       <PsycoXul> http://psyco.yi.org:8042/oddanimation.html
00.21.00 #       <Bagder> Zagor: seen this http://www.nic-se.se/pdf/antaldomaner.pdf ?
00.21.17 #       <Bagder> all the domains with more than one trying to register
00.21.22 #       <Bagder> the .se ones
00.22.06 #       <Zagor> hehe
00.22.22 #       <Bagder> vodka.se 21
00.22.24 #       <Zagor> google.se: 64
00.22.26 #       <Bagder> :-)
00.22.37 #       <Bagder> paramount.se 20
00.22.38 #       <Zagor> cocacola.se: 61
00.22.42 #       <Bagder> hahaha
00.22.54 #       <Zagor> lovely squatting attempts
00.23.07 #       <Bagder> no doubt they'll lose them
00.23.16 #       <Zagor> yes
00.38.20 #       <Bagder> night
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04.15.16 #       <The_Supernerd> Continued - Check log -> as a completion to my journey without rockbox today, i couldn't even use my archos today. -continuing
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04.19.08 #       <Dragonfly1600> anyone around..? i have a problem!!
04.19.17 #       <nerdymonster> go ahead
04.19.49 #       <Dragonfly1600> Umm.. two days ago, i downloaded a new .mod file.. when i restarted my player, it didn't turn on, it says:
04.20.21 #       <Dragonfly1600> Jukebox Wait... (Flashing # symbol)
04.20.40 #       <Dragonfly1600> then it says: File sys. Error
04.20.41 #       <nerdymonster> what type of archos are you using?
04.20.48 #       <Dragonfly1600> Studio 10
04.21.06 #       <nerdymonster> ah, same as mine. Your harddrive locked.
04.21.23 #       <nerdymonster> you can unlock it from a tutorial at www.rockbox.tk
04.21.29 #       <Dragonfly1600> oh boy.. sounds fun..
04.21.39 #       <Dragonfly1600> umm cool.. is it hard to do?
04.22.06 #       <nerdymonster> no, not really. I never had a problem doing it. Its very simple.
04.23.01 #       <Dragonfly1600> do i need any special programs or cords or anything?
04.23.13 #       <nerdymonster> no, ill send you a direct link to the site in a sec.
04.23.35 #       <Dragonfly1600> ok awesome, thanks
04.24.31 #       <Dragonfly1600> yeah, i've been going nuts for the past 2 days playing around with the batteries, someone told me it could be a battery problem.. sigh of relief
04.24.50 #       <nerdymonster> hmm, you do need a program for it but its step-by-step. my mistake.
04.24.53 #       <nerdymonster> http://rockbox.haxx.se/lock.html
04.25.06 #       <Dragonfly1600> thank you so much
04.25.53 #       <nerdymonster> np.
04.26.03 #       <nerdymonster> hold on real quick.
04.26.49 #       <nerdymonster> can you access the rockbox from your pc.
04.26.54 #       <nerdymonster> ?
04.27.27 #       <Dragonfly1600> umm.. by plugging it into the usb.. no
04.28.10 #       <nerdymonster> hmm, what happens when you do?
04.28.21 #       <Dragonfly1600> umm.. hold on 1 sec
04.28.36 #       <Dragonfly1600> it says USB active...
04.28.53 #       <Dragonfly1600> but the icon on my taskbar thing shows an X over a green circle
04.29.07 #       <Dragonfly1600> and the drive thing doesn't come up like it usually would
04.30.17 #       <Dragonfly1600> ?
04.30.18 #       <nerdymonster> here is a way to make sure. Go into "My computer" , select "Control panel" then "system".
04.30.20 #       <nerdymonster> depending on your version of windows, there may be a "Device manager" tab. If not, it may be under "Hardware"
04.30.29 #       <nerdymonster> too fast?
04.30.49 #       <Dragonfly1600> no, but let me do it.. hold on
04.30.53 #       <nerdymonster> ok
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04.32.29 #       <Dragonfly1602> umm.. ok
04.32.33 #       <Dragonfly1602> did you get any of that?
04.33.09 #       <Dragonfly1602> ok i got to the device manager
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04.35.07 #       <Dragonfly1602> are you there still?
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04.35.42 #       <nerdymonster> hold on again.
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04.38.09 #       <Dragonfly1602> what's going on!?
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04.46.46 #       <Dragonfly1600> is anyone alive that can help me determine if i have a battery problem or i have to unlock my jukebox studio 10??
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04.51.41 #       <Dragonfly1600> omg can't anyone help me?
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04.55.39 #       <Dragonfly1600> asdf
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06.10.14 #       <billytwowilly> Hi, I'm having some troubles copying files off of my archos jukebox 6000 to my mandrake 9.1 box (granted, I had these same problems in windows). when I try to transfer files back to my computer the transfer stalls and then the process can't be killed...
06.10.18 #       <billytwowilly> any suggestions?
06.10.39 #       <billytwowilly> or is file transfer to the computer just terminally broken in the jukebox 6000 series?
06.15.12 #       <PsycoXul> make sure the batteries are charged
06.15.23 #       <PsycoXul> i always got that problem when the batteries ran low
06.15.28 #       <PsycoXul> and occasionaly just at random
06.15.28 #       <PsycoXul> heh
06.15.35 #       <PsycoXul> sometimes it's just slow too
06.15.38 #       <PsycoXul> and seems like it's locked up
06.15.53 #       <billytwowilly> I've always tried it after a fresh recharge. I've even put new batteries into it. twice..
06.16.39 #       <billytwowilly> the transfer says it's stalled in kde.. and transfering via commandline stalls/locks up too. I've left it for several days before...
06.16.53 #       <PsycoXul> heh
06.17.05 #       <billytwowilly> I wish I had my 500 bucks back so I could buy a newer archos.. this thing has been giving me problems for 2 years..
06.17.07 #       <billytwowilly> doh..
06.17.33 #       <PsycoXul> ouch
06.17.56 #       <billytwowilly> well, that's 500 canadian, so it's like 4 dollars american, but still;)
06.18.09 #       <PsycoXul> heh
06.18.10 #       <PsycoXul> oh ok
06.18.30 #       <billytwowilly> well, really it's around 350 american, or was when I bought it..
06.19.01 #       <billytwowilly> and that included the car adaptor stuff (which turns out to be a complete ripoff because it still runs of the batteries and the batteries are crappy nimh)..
06.19.13 #       <billytwowilly> the things you learn with experience I suppose;)
06.19.23 #       <billytwowilly> they putting lithium ion batteries in the new archos' yet?
06.19.23 #       <PsycoXul> heh
06.19.31 #       <PsycoXul> the FM rec's
06.19.53 #       <PsycoXul> have a custom flat lithium ion battery pack
06.20.06 #       <PsycoXul> i got a studio20 for xmas of 2001
06.20.07 #       <billytwowilly> custom=bad=expensive.
06.20.10 #       <PsycoXul> and it quit charging
06.20.19 #       <PsycoXul> so i took it into best buy and they traded it for an fm rec
06.20.19 #       <PsycoXul> heh
06.20.37 #       <billytwowilly> I've been really, really dissapointed with the quality of the archos product. 
06.20.47 #       <PsycoXul> why's that
06.20.57 #       <PsycoXul> my only complaints were the firmware
06.21.01 #       <billytwowilly> the only reason I'd ever buy their product again is if I knew I could get rockbox to work on it.
06.21.19 #       <billytwowilly> well, the batteries on my jukebox 6000 have been flaky from the start.
06.21.43 #       <billytwowilly> through 2 new sets of batteries, which means it isn't the batteries, it's the charging mechanism..
06.21.49 #       <PsycoXul> heh
06.22.06 #       <billytwowilly> the jukebox 6000 feels like it's alpha hardware.
06.22.10 #       <PsycoXul> wellon  my studio20
06.22.29 #       <PsycoXul> the adapter plugin got loose
06.22.40 #       <PsycoXul> and then it wouldn't make contact unless i jiggled it a certain way
06.22.56 #       <PsycoXul> and eventualy it quit charging entirely
06.23.02 #       <PsycoXul> even when it was making contact
06.23.04 #       <billytwowilly> it's not that though.. plus the firmware (as you said) sucks so bad that it makes me cry sometimes.
06.23.19 #       <PsycoXul> thats when i took it in to bestbuy
06.23.20 #       <PsycoXul> heh
06.23.28 #       <billytwowilly> I upgraded to the latest rockbox firmware from the latest archos firmware and 3/4 of my problems went away.
06.23.38 #       <PsycoXul> heh
06.23.50 #       <PsycoXul> i got used to the bugs and limitations in the archos firmware 
06.24.00 #       <PsycoXul> and just used it within it's capabilities
06.24.05 #       <PsycoXul> till rockbox was usable
06.24.10 #       <billytwowilly> plus, there doesn't appear to be any fixes for the jukebox 6000 firmware, so if it wasn't for rockbox I'd be stuck with shit.
06.24.34 #       <billytwowilly> companies that do that don't to me once just don't get any more of my money.
06.25.09 #       * PsycoXul compiles filmgimp
06.25.25 #       <billytwowilly> isn't it called cinealara or something now?
06.25.36 #       <PsycoXul> yeah but the last release is still filmgimp
06.25.59 #       <PsycoXul> and it's cinepaint
06.26.18 #       <billytwowilly> there we go;) I knew it was cinesomething;)
06.26.22 #       <PsycoXul> cinelerra is the replacement for broadcast2000
06.26.22 #       <PsycoXul> heh
06.27.14 #       <PsycoXul> hmm...
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08.12.02 #       <Bagder> red build
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08.17.36 #       <dwihno> Hello hey!
08.18.11 #       <Bagder> morning dwihno
08.18.16 #       <dwihno> :-)
08.18.21 #       <dwihno> Damn it's cold outside!
08.18.35 #       <dwihno> about 2+
08.18.41 #       <Bagder> about 7 here
08.19.10 #       <dwihno> Spoiled evil dudes! :)
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08.27.12 #       <dwihno> I figured something out.
08.27.21 #       <dwihno> 6 hours of sleep is not enough.
08.27.51 #       <Bagder> I had 5
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08.29.07 #       <TBoy> hoi
08.29.13 #       <Bagder> hi
08.30.34 #       <dwihno> Bagder: well, sleep is something of a luxory :)
08.30.58 #       <dwihno> How do I replace my modified files with fresh ones from the cvs?
08.31.06 #       <dwihno> (I don't want a "merge")
08.31.16 #       <Bagder> remove your local ones and then update
08.32.52 #       <dwihno> just erase the file?
08.33.15 #       <Bagder> or rename it if you wanna keep a version of your changes
08.33.38 #       <dwihno> ah
08.34.12 #       <dwihno> nice
08.34.13 #       <dwihno> :)
08.36.19 #       <dwihno> I'm waiting for Linus
08.37.20 #       <dwihno> He gave me some quite good feedback yesterday regarding the invert cursor patch
08.37.29 #       <Bagder> neato
08.38.23 #       <dwihno> It will rule so badly! :D
08.38.30 #       <dwihno> Official showstopper for 2.1
08.38.33 #       <dwihno> ;-)
08.38.41 #       <Bagder> :-)
08.38.42 #       <dwihno> Along with the red led dead fix, perhaps
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08.52.16 #       <dwihno> welcome, thu!
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08.58.50 #       <dwihno> Willkommen zurück, langhaar :D
09.01.47 #       <langhaarrocker> that's me
09.02.09 #       <dwihno> :-D
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09.03.02 #       <LinusN> the latest bug report worries me
09.03.36 #       <Bagder> which one's that?
09.03.43 #       <LinusN> 719116
09.03.58 #       <LinusN> [ 719116 ] Recording bug MP3 first frame?
09.04.45 #       <Bagder> but he hasn't responded yet how a more recent version works
09.05.54 #       <LinusN> well, he reported yesterday, but you are correct that he didn't tell us which version he used
09.06.30 #       <LinusN> the problem is that the file system code has terrible performance for appended writes
09.07.09 #       <LinusN> as sson as the file gets big, the seek times are overwhelming, especially if you have small clusters
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09.07.30 #       <Bagder> shall we send a hitman to Björn's house?
09.07.32 #       <Quelsaruk> morning
09.07.35 #       <Bagder> hi Quelsaruk
09.07.39 #       <Quelsaruk> a hitman?
09.07.44 #       <Quelsaruk> a fight?
09.07.48 #       <Quelsaruk> sacrifice??
09.07.49 #       <Bagder> you want the job? ;-)
09.07.50 #       <Quelsaruk> ME??
09.07.52 #       <LinusN> Bagder: i did and he fixed it, but the fix was bad
09.07.54 #       <Quelsaruk> pliiizzzzz
09.08.04 #       <Bagder> ah
09.08.57 #       <LinusN> i sent some recording screenshots to zagor
09.11.00 #       <LinusN> we might want to include the file system issue in the "known problems" list...
09.11.15 #       <LinusN> or fix it, of course
09.11.54 #       <LinusN> it may sort of undermine the confidence of the recording function if we don't fix it...
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09.12.28 #       <LinusN> and yes, i think it's important to fix it before the release
09.13.51 #       <LinusN> Zagor: i think the flush() seek times are a problem
09.14.13 #       <Zagor> ok?
09.14.54 #       <LinusN> [ 719116 ] Recording bug MP3 first frame?
09.16.20 #       <langhaarrocker> Linus: Do you remember that I mentioned that mp3directCut often reports "Sync errors"? That might be the same problem.
09.17.22 #       <LinusN> could be
09.17.55 #       <LinusN> but i thought you had them in the beginning of the file?
09.18.22 #       <langhaarrocker> No, they were spread all over the file
09.18.54 #       <LinusN> how long was that recording, and when was it?
09.19.40 #       <langhaarrocker> It was with the build of 10. Apr and it was the entire Apocalyptica album 'Reflections'.
09.20.01 #       <LinusN> ouch, file system bug then...
09.20.27 #       <LinusN> what intervals?
09.20.33 #       <langhaarrocker> random
09.20.42 #       <langhaarrocker> No pattern detectable
09.21.33 #       <LinusN> that's a show stopper for sure
09.21.34 #       <langhaarrocker> But hey, - we don't know wether mp3DirectCut is _the_ reference implementation of mp3 decoding ...
09.21.56 #       <langhaarrocker> I haven't heared any audiable glitches.
09.21.58 #       <LinusN> langhaarrocker: do you still have the recording?
09.22.24 #       <langhaarrocker> Not here at work. Maybe I can send it to you tomorrow.
09.22.34 #       <LinusN> no no, i have a dialup
09.22.52 #       <LinusN> i want you to run VBRFix (not the rockbox one) on it
09.23.41 #       <LinusN> or fixvbr, i can never remember what it was
09.24.26 #       <LinusN> and you are sure that your FAT is error-free?
09.24.59 #       <langhaarrocker> I'm never sure about that. :)
09.24.59 #       <langhaarrocker> Scandisc doesn't see any errors.
09.25.15 #       <Quelsaruk> btw, i have a weird proble,
09.25.19 #       <Quelsaruk> problem
09.25.33 #       <Quelsaruk> i can't queue files
09.25.47 #       <Quelsaruk> rockbox doesn't create the .queue_file
09.32.07 #       <LinusN> Quelsaruk: do you have a .rockbox dir?
09.32.52 #       <Quelsaruk> yups
09.33.08 #       <Quelsaruk> and i've used the queue option long time ago
09.33.10 #       <Quelsaruk> :)
09.33.22 #       <Quelsaruk> 1 or even 2 months ago
09.33.31 #       <Quelsaruk> but now i can't use it
09.33.41 #       <langhaarrocker> Linus: Remember that it's no use to tell Quelsaruk to rtfm. :)
09.33.59 #       <Quelsaruk> rtfm?
09.34.13 #       <langhaarrocker> Read The F$§%ing Manual
09.34.20 #       <Quelsaruk> hahahahahahaha
09.34.31 #       <Quelsaruk> if i had to read the manual once more
09.34.50 #       <Quelsaruk> i would die ;)
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09.36.08 #       <TheDoctor> where ... wher must i put the dif file in the project to apply with patch
09.36.31 #       <Bagder> anywhere
09.36.51 #       <Bagder> cd to the source root
09.36.57 #       <langhaarrocker> http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/patch.html
09.37.32 #       <TheDoctor> wow i read the patch.html.... put it doesn't really work...
09.37.48 #       <Bagder> what happens then?
09.38.25 #       <TheDoctor> "can't find file in input line 3"
09.38.36 #       <Bagder> then the -p number is wrong
09.38.57 #       <TheDoctor> do i have to use a p number??
09.39.07 #       <Bagder> you read that page?
09.39.32 #       <adi|home> im tired so... <insert snide remark here>
09.39.43 #       <TheDoctor> yeah but i didn't got that...
09.41.00 #       <Bagder> the -p "cuts off" directory prefixes fromt he file names specified in the patch
09.41.03 #       <adi|home> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=439121&aid=693536&group_id=44306
09.41.10 #       <adi|home> how did that not get rejected?
09.41.34 #       <Bagder> personally, because I don't know how the FM tuner works
09.41.44 #       <adi|home> got ya...
09.41.50 #       <adi|home> but i agree with track...
09.41.58 #       <TheDoctor> it got rejected but i was toooooo late for me yesterday night.....
09.41.59 #       <adi|home> if it was possible.. i think archos would have done it...
09.42.28 #       <Zagor> Linus said previously that perhaps AM reception was possible. so it's not obviously a rejectable
09.42.32 #       <Bagder> TheDoctor: well, if things have changed too much, parts of it might get rejected indeed
09.42.46 #       <LinusN> oh yeah, so auto-volume is not possible because they haven't implemented it?
09.43.55 #       <Bagder> yes
09.44.03 #       <Bagder> its all figments of our imagination! ;-)
09.44.34 #       <langhaarrocker> And the peakmeter in fact isn't really high resolution but only interpolated. It really knows only 8 states.
09.44.44 #       <LinusN> the fm radio chip supports AM reception, it's an antenna issue
09.45.18 #       <langhaarrocker> Was it AM reception you need those ferrit antennas for?
09.47.11 #       <langhaarrocker> feature request: Receive the DCF time signal to synchronize the FM Recorder's clock! :)
09.48.14 #       <LinusN> langhaarrocker: not sure
09.49.55 #       <TheDoctor> hmmm. now i got : missing header for unified diff
09.53.34 #       <LinusN> is it a unified diff then?
09.54.29 #       <TheDoctor> its the status.dif from patch tracker...
09.55.51 #       <TheDoctor> what means the text  leading up to this was: |----status.old ... and |+++status.c
09.56.07 #       <TheDoctor> but there isn't any ststus.c in the source...
09.56.30 #       <TheDoctor> only status.o
09.57.05 #       <langhaarrocker> status.c should exist. Maybe you should update your source tree from cvs.
09.57.38 #       <Zagor> TheDoctor: it sounds like you are in the wrong dir. status.o is in your output dir, not in the source dir.
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10.03.07 #       <TheDoctor> done so with the cvs... doing again now...
10.04.11 #       <TheDoctor> i put the patch file into the home\rockbox\build-dir\
10.04.25 #       <Bagder> put it whereever
10.04.29 #       <Bagder> then cd into the source dir
10.06.11 #       <Zagor> LinusN: is the recording bug something you want to hold 2.0 for?
10.06.46 #       <LinusN> yes, definitely
10.07.15 #       <LinusN> it's not recording per se, it's a file system bug
10.07.30 #       <LinusN> if it is a bug, that is
10.07.40 #       <Zagor> the slow seek?
10.08.12 #       <LinusN> or whatever it is, langhaarrocker's findings suggest something else
10.08.12 #       <TheDoctor> aaargh forgot to change into source dir...
10.08.38 #       <Zagor> langhaarrocker: are those glitches heard with all players?
10.08.54 #       <LinusN> the slow seek may be a problem, since it limits the lenght of the recordings
10.09.28 #       <LinusN> that's why we introduced the flush() remember?
10.09.41 #       <Zagor> yes
10.10.08 #       <LinusN> but the flush is crippled today, since the first version was bad
10.10.26 #       <Zagor> I suggest we start saving 10 seconds earlier to offset this problem, until we have time to optimise the file code
10.10.34 #       <LinusN> ok
10.11.18 #       <TheDoctor> why is it asking "file to patch:" can't he find the file??
10.11.29 #       <LinusN> still, langhaarrocker's problem is another one
10.11.30 #       <LinusN> TheDoctor: exactly
10.11.37 #       <LinusN> try the -p option
10.11.48 #       <LinusN> even -p0 might be necessary
10.13.02 #       <LinusN> langhaarrocker: the sync errors in mp3directcut, could they be the result of VBRFix?
10.17.45 #       <TheDoctor> when i run make i get much of those nasty :"updating dependencies..... no such file or directoy errors...
10.19.54 #       <Bagder> that's expected
10.20.06 #       <Bagder> a bit unfriendly, but expected ;-)
10.20.48 #       <TheDoctor> hmm... i found all the *-c files... but in my apps directory... not in build-dir... there are only *.o files... hmmmm...
10.20.56 #       <Bagder> yes
10.21.00 #       <Bagder> the build dir has no .c files
10.21.05 #       <Bagder> they're in the source dir
10.21.45 #       <TheDoctor> and i have to run patch out of the build-dir ...damn strange(for my little head)
10.21.56 #       <Bagder> ?
10.22.04 #       <Bagder> you should run patch in your source dir
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10.22.27 #       <TheDoctor> LOL..not in build-dir??
10.22.31 #       <Bagder> no
10.22.35 #       <Bagder> the build dir is only for building
10.22.42 #       <Bagder> the source dir is for sources ;-)
10.22.45 #       <TheDoctor> aaarrgh...
10.22.56 #       <tracktheripper> hi
10.23.05 #       <Bagder> hi
10.23.12 #       <dwihno> trackmeister
10.23.13 #       <tracktheripper> :)
10.23.22 #       <tracktheripper> hi Dwihno
10.23.28 #       <Zagor> tracktheripper: please ask here if features are possible before filing a request
10.23.46 #       <tracktheripper> pardon
10.23.47 #       <tracktheripper> >
10.24.02 #       <TheDoctor> DOOOOHHH workd.....
10.24.21 #       <Bagder> goodie
10.24.22 #       <tracktheripper> Zagor last time I was here I did ask but no-one bothered to answer me :-(
10.24.32 #       <TheDoctor> grmmmpf... I really thank you for the help and the spent time!!!!!..
10.24.51 #       <Zagor> tracktheripper: in that case it's ok. but mostly someone is here to answer.
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10.25.15 #       <tracktheripper> Zagor what request are you referring to?
10.25.26 #       <Zagor> (manual updated with real recording screenshots)
10.25.32 #       <Bagder> wooo
10.25.36 #       <Zagor> tracktheripper: pop/hiss remover
10.26.29 #       <tracktheripper> should be easy enough
10.26.53 #       <Zagor> tracktheripper: how?
10.27.17 #       <tracktheripper> i explained in the feature request
10.28.03 #       <Bagder> no you didn't
10.28.06 #       <Zagor> tracktheripper: you explained what you want, not how to do it
10.28.44 #       <Bagder> its quite a lot harder to do it programaticly than to look at a wave and detect it with your eyes
10.28.55 #       <tracktheripper> Tape hiss is usually around a certain frequency that you could tell the Recorder to ignore or remove
10.29.12 #       <Zagor> especially when you don't have a waveform at all... this is mp3 data!
10.29.30 #       <LinusN> and the mp3 decoder is in hardware, and all it can do is play it
10.29.34 #       <Bagder> would take a helluva code chunk to do it
10.29.43 #       <Zagor> tracktheripper: "tell the recorder to remove or ignore"??? the recorder is a dsp and a cpu, not a butler.
10.29.52 #       <LinusN> :-)
10.30.40 #       <tracktheripper> well you can't blame me for trying :-)
10.30.46 #       <LinusN> :_)
10.31.05 #       <tracktheripper> well you don't use Winamp to play Tetris!!!
10.31.25 #       <Zagor> tracktheripper: I don't. I just ask that you take it up here first, so we don't get a lot of unimplementable requests.
10.31.46 #       <tracktheripper> Zagor like I said, I did ask that here but no-one bothered to answer
10.32.16 #       <Zagor> Quelsaruk: do you want to be in charge of maintaining the docs, or do you feel someone else could do that?
10.32.17 #       <tracktheripper> ((makes Zagor a cup of tea))
10.32.53 #       <LinusN> Zagor: you received my screenshots + changes?
10.32.58 #       <Zagor> LinusN: yes
10.33.23 #       <Zagor> LinusN: um, only screenshots. no changes.
10.33.23 #       <tracktheripper> is version 2 coming out any time soon?
10.33.46 #       <Zagor> tracktheripper: yes
10.33.57 #       <tracktheripper> when?
10.34.04 #       <Zagor> soon
10.34.11 #       <tracktheripper> :-)
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10.37.36 #>>     "explain 2.0" by dwihno (dwihno@h193180246067.kommunicera.umea.se)
10.38.37 #       <tracktheripper> what ever happened to joquams interface?
10.38.46 #       <Zagor> we never received patches
10.39.12 #       <tracktheripper> well Dwihno is working on the inverted video line which works with ALL fonts
10.39.32 #       <Zagor> exactly
10.39.35 #       <Bagder> yes, that's dwihno's patch
10.40.18 #       <tracktheripper> yea Badger joquams IVL didnt work with any other font
10.40.33 #       <Bagder> it didn't work for me at all
10.40.53 #       <Bagder> since the patch was never applied :-)
10.41.03 #       <tracktheripper> well at least the IVL saves a few precious pixels......
10.42.24 #       <LinusN> dwihno's patch looks great!
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10.42.35 #       * dwihno blushes
10.42.41 #       <tracktheripper> well get it applied in the daily builds LinusN!
10.42.45 #       <tracktheripper> fast!
10.42.51 #       <LinusN> after 2.0
10.42.52 #       <dwihno> tracktheripper: not before 2.0
10.42.54 #       <kellyrocks> hello--i have a winxp question
10.43.00 #       <tracktheripper> :-(
10.43.09 #       <LinusN> kellyrocks: and you joined this channel for that?
10.43.13 #       <LinusN> :-)
10.43.17 #       <kellyrocks> hee hee
10.43.24 #       <kellyrocks> winxp archos i mean
10.43.43 #       <tracktheripper> dwihno..........
10.44.03 #       <LinusN> Zagor: weird, i sent you 2 emails
10.44.05 #       <kellyrocks> stupid winxp pro only ready my archos 15 jukebox rec. as a hard drive, not a removable...
10.44.31 #       <dwihno> kellyrocks: that's fully normal
10.44.53 #       <dwihno> kellyrocks: windows says "this is an internal disk", even if it's an external :)
10.45.03 #       <kellyrocks> it's screwing up access to proggies tho, such as eek (moodlogic)
10.45.22 #       <PsycoXul> kellyrocks: it won't give an eject in it's pop-up menu, but it should have a removal thing in the device thing whatever icon in the sys tray
10.46.04 #       <kellyrocks> ok--i've got that--see, the drive letter changed as well--from removable storage D to HD G
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10.47.01 #       <kellyrocks> 6thanks for advice
10.47.04 #       <kellyrocks> :)
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10.48.06 #       <dwihno> Whoa! Colors! :O *astonished*
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10.48.23 #       <tracktheripper> 13lol at Dwihno
10.48.36 #       <dwihno> 6,7CIAO A TUTTI
10.48.49 #       <dwihno> ^ the italian way to join an IRC channel ;)
10.48.55 #       <tracktheripper> 7lol at Dwihno :-)
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10.49.16 #       * LinusN sets the "strip MIRC colors" in his xchat settings
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10.49.22 #       <tracktheripper> 12Dwihno it would help if  Zagor smiles from time to time :-)
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10.50.41 #       <dwihno> :-)
10.50.57 #       <Bagder> mirc colours are evil
10.51.01 #       <tracktheripper> :-)
10.51.19 #       <tracktheripper> linus you aren't colourblind are u?
10.51.28 #       <Zagor> what known bugs do we have, except red led dead?
10.52.04 #       <tracktheripper> theres nothing wrong with my red led
10.52.47 #       <Zagor> (updating the release notes)
10.52.50 #       <Bagder> we have bugs?
10.52.52 #       <Bagder> :-P
10.53.13 #       <adi|home> i really need to get my scroll wheel working on my mouse
10.54.13 #       <Quelsaruk> Zagor: sorry, i was away
10.54.24 #       <Quelsaruk> i think i can maintain docs
10.54.34 #       <Zagor> Quelsaruk: ok, good
10.54.55 #       <Quelsaruk> but not  this week
10.54.57 #       <Quelsaruk> :)
10.55.03 #       <tracktheripper> hi Adi
10.55.15 #       <Quelsaruk> also, i think i could do what we talked about languages
10.55.51 #       <Zagor> Quelsaruk: excellent!
10.56.21 #       <langhaarrocker> Linus: I didn't run any vbrfix on the recorded files before splitting it with mp3directCut.
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11.02.21 #       <langhaarrocker> Zagor another bug left: dynamic tags don't update in scrolling wps lines
11.02.33 #       <Schnueff> args content.xml in  manual.sxw consists of two lines :)
11.02.39 #       <Schnueff> 600K
11.02.52 #       <Zagor> langhaarrocker: that is documented, so it's more a missing feature
11.03.02 #       <langhaarrocker> ok
11.03.09 #       <Zagor> Schnueff: ?
11.03.10 #       <Quelsaruk> no-one has an idea of why rockbox can't create the .queue_file on my recorder??
11.03.15 #       <TheDoctor> okay i done it and ran the $make how i make now the archos.mod
11.03.37 #       <Zagor> Quelsaruk: you do have a .rockbox dir?
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11.04.44 #       <Zagor> Schnueff: ah, now I see.
11.05.08 #       <Quelsaruk> yups zagor
11.05.40 #       <Quelsaruk> 2 months ago i could queue files
11.05.46 #       <Quelsaruk> nowadays i'm not able
11.05.58 #       <Quelsaruk> i thought it could be that the .queue_file was corrupt
11.06.00 #       <Quelsaruk> so i deleted it
11.06.40 #       <Quelsaruk> now i know that i couldn't queue files because rockbox doesn't write anything
11.06.47 #       <langhaarrocker> Zagor: (maybe) another problem: I had distorted monitor on the headphones while recording from digital input. Recorded file was ok. But I haven't investigated that one. Was with daily build of 10th April.
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11.08.58 #       <quel|out> time to work a little
11.12.29 #       <Zagor> langhaarrocker: could it be the headphone amp that distorted?
11.12.41 #       <langhaarrocker> yes that might be.
11.13.19 #       <Schnueff> hm the player shots have different sizes
11.13.26 #       <Schnueff> very suspicious :)
11.13.33 #       <Zagor> :-)
11.14.09 #       <Zagor> oh damn, that "page numbers" text is back :-)
11.14.29 #       <Bagder> yeps
11.14.39 #       <langhaarrocker> Zagor: I didn't touch the volume: before recording: ok          while recording: distorted           after recording: ok
11.15.02 #       <Zagor> it's a silly openoffice bug: if you have "show field codes" enabled, they will also be enabled in the pdf output...
11.15.10 #       <Zagor> langhaarrocker: ok
11.15.40 #       <quel|out> zagor... that's a beginner's error ;P
11.16.11 #       <Zagor> quel|out: I'm a beginner docwriter :-)
11.16.12 #       <langhaarrocker> That's why Zagor didn't implement this bug in rockbox :)
11.17.03 #       <Zagor> fixed
11.18.00 #       <Schnueff> ah, tidy is my friend
11.18.18 #       <quel|out> Zagor: i'm pleased to find myself at the credits :) (but shouldn't that be corrected on CVS?)
11.18.49 #       <Zagor> quel|out: it should. I just forgot to check in that yesterday
11.18.56 #       <quel|out> :)
11.19.02 #       <TheDoctor> THX for help Bye
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11.19.47 #       <quel|out> btw, none find strange the While Recording Screen snapshoths?
11.19.49 #       <quel|out> :)
11.20.22 #       <Zagor> quel|out: I have replaced them with real screenshots linus took yesterday
11.20.25 #       <Schnueff> 10:25 < Zagor> (manual updated with real recording screenshots)
11.20.36 #       <quel|out> ouch!
11.20.41 #       <quel|out> that's not fair!!
11.20.55 #       <Zagor> hehe
11.21.04 #       <quel|out> i had to use my best tricks to create those snapshots
11.21.07 #       <quel|out> :(
11.21.17 #       <quel|out> :P
11.21.21 #       <Zagor> lunch
11.21.36 #       <quel|out> cu later
11.21.36 #       <LinusN> quel|out: they were wrong
11.22.58 #       <quel|out> LinusN: i wrote just what my recorder displayed :)
11.23.32 #       <LinusN> wrong, you had a colon too many on the f2 screen, and the f3 screen had the wrong text
11.24.46 #       <quel|out> ok, those screens were 'too' false
11.25.02 #       <quel|out> but the recording screen was nearly exact
11.25.12 #       <quel|out> i forgot the little arrow
11.25.38 #       <LinusN> yeah, that was a great idea, using the wps
11.26.58 #       <quel|out> :)
11.27.01 #       <LinusN> quel|out: how about your queueing problem?
11.27.12 #       <quel|out> i don't understand it
11.27.29 #       <quel|out> it's like rockbox was unable to write data to the HD
11.27.50 #       <quel|out> that's why i couldn't create a .queue_file
11.27.52 #       <LinusN> langhaarrocker: monitoring while recording has an issue, if the playback volume is set high it may distort while recording
11.28.08 #       <LinusN> quel|out: can you record?
11.28.16 #       <langhaarrocker> Quel: "unable to queue: out of goat error."
11.28.38 #       <LinusN> "goat intestines underrun"
11.29.00 #       <quel|out> langhaarrocker: i had to use all my goats to repair my windsurf boom this weekend
11.29.43 #       * langhaarrocker dreams of windsurfing
11.29.45 #       <quel|out> *PANIC* rec fls: -114
11.29.54 #       <Bagder> whoaaa
11.30.00 #       <quel|out> LinusN: no, i can't
11.30.01 #       <Bagder> scandisk time?
11.30.09 #       <LinusN> you have a serious filesystem error
11.30.19 #       <LinusN> is the disk full?
11.30.27 #       <quel|out> i still have 10 GB
11.31.01 #       <quel|out> i disassembled my hd, mounted on a external case and made scandisk and defrag.
11.31.15 #       <quel|out> i don't want to format the hd :(
11.31.57 #       <LinusN> which rockbox version?
11.32.08 #       <quel|out> friday's one
11.32.36 #       <quel|out> i can try latest bleeding edge
11.33.07 #       <LinusN> hmmm, "seek beyond end-of-file"
11.33.44 #       <LinusN> sounds like a corrupted FAT, or maybe a bug, possibly the same bug that trashed langhaarrocker's recordings
11.33.46 #       <dwihno> How do I add profiling information when gcc:ing a file?
11.33.57 #       <LinusN> i dunno
11.34.33 #       <Bagder> dwihno: -pg
11.34.42 #       <Bagder> or -p
11.35.16 #       <dwihno> ah
11.35.18 #       <dwihno> -pg it was!
11.35.26 #       <dwihno> then I run it and gprof the exe, right?
11.35.33 #       <Bagder> both actually, -p and -pg do different outputs
11.35.36 #       <quel|out> LinusN: i bet for corrupted fat
11.35.55 #       <quel|out> as i can't create .queue_file
11.36.06 #       <Bagder> dwihno: yes
11.44.19 #       <LinusN> quel|out: defrag you say?
11.44.41 #       <LinusN> maybe that did something to the disk that rockbox doesn't like?
11.45.11 #       <LinusN> i'll try that on my fm tonight
11.46.18 #       <quel|out> ouch!
11.47.20 #       <quel|out> i defragmented the hard disk 'cause i thought that would waste less time searching a file. :(
11.47.34 #       <LinusN> you did nothing wrong
11.47.55 #       <LinusN> but you might have revealed a rockbox bug
11.48.20 #       <LinusN> which OS do you run on your pc?
11.49.33 #       <quel|out> linux, win2k and winXP pro. I made the defrag with the winXP box.
11.49.40 #       <LinusN> ok
11.59.45 #       <Bagder> is it possible to get a html version out of that openoffice doc too?
12.04.05 #       <Bagder> can you go browse the file dir while recording?
12.05.05 #       <LinusN> nope
12.05.20 #       <quel|out> Bagder: i think so
12.07.00 #       <quel|out> scandisk finds no errors on the drive
12.09.08 #       <LinusN> ugh
12.09.12 #       <Bagder> I'm working on a little document for my upcoming suggestion for keys in 2.1
12.10.26 #       <quel|out> linus, i still get that nasty panic
12.10.32 #       <LinusN> ouch
12.10.52 #       <LinusN> quel|out: can you find out which cluster size you have?
12.11.06 #       <quel|out> sure
12.11.10 #       <LinusN> basically everything you can find out about the disk
12.11.22 #       <quel|out> :)
12.13.05 #       <dwihno> Bagder: any major changes?
12.13.39 #       <Bagder> the biggest is probable the "no quick screens"
12.13.41 #       <LinusN> hey, i would really like to have a dump of a few selected sectors off the disk
12.14.03 #       <dwihno> Bagder: whaaaaaat?!
12.14.07 #       <Bagder> and on+play moved
12.14.08 #       <dwihno> ?!?!?!?!?!?!?
12.14.21 #       <LinusN> Bagder: wonderful
12.14.41 #       <quel|out> Bagder: i really want the F2 QS
12.14.42 #       <LinusN> i want one-key selections of everything
12.14.48 #       <Bagder> I'll let you flame me on details once I've come a bit further
12.14.51 #       <quel|out> or something like it
12.14.52 #       <dwihno> :)
12.14.55 #       <dwihno> Yay for Bag!
12.15.00 #       <dwihno> He will save the day!
12.15.09 #       <dwihno> quel|out: what problem do you have with the current rockbox builds?
12.15.15 #       <quel|out> what about using dwihno's graphic solution?
12.15.20 #       <Bagder> well, currently I haven't used f2 for anything ;-)
12.15.41 #       <quel|out> Bagder: i use it for the repeat and the shuffle mode :)
12.15.54 #       <quel|out> i shuffle playlists, but i don't like to shuffle dirs
12.16.14 #       <Bagder> but...
12.16.18 #       <dwihno> quel|out: you've done a scandisk?
12.16.22 #       <quel|out> yups
12.16.23 #       <Bagder> I intend to introduce a few "mappable keys"
12.16.30 #       <quel|out> hey, now i've found lost clusters
12.17.09 #       <LinusN> probably from the failed recording you did earlier
12.18.44 #       <dwihno> quel|out: check if it's back to normal now
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12.27.14 #       <Bagder> bbl
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12.28.16 #       <dwihno> Which gcc is better for production use? 2.97? 3.2?
12.32.36 #       <quel|out> time to go!
12.32.43 #       <quel|out> cu this afternoon! if i can
12.33.50 #       <dwihno> byebye
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13.33.22 #       <Zagor> langhaarrocker: are you here?
13.34.31 #       <langhaarrocker> yes
13.34.44 #       <langhaarrocker> (lunch is over)
13.36.16 #       <Zagor> about your glitch bug, does it appear in all non-archos players? winamp too?
13.36.34 #       <langhaarrocker> ? I have no glitch bug.
13.36.45 #       <Zagor> (checking log)
13.37.08 #       <langhaarrocker> There's only mp3directCut complaining there were "Sync errors"
13.37.12 #       <Zagor> right
13.37.25 #       <Zagor> ok, never mind then :-)
13.37.30 #       <langhaarrocker> :)
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13.48.09 #       <Schnueff> would it make sense to put the unzipped open-office manual in the cvs somewhere?
13.49.05 #       <Schnueff> i.e. someone already tested if patching and zipping works well?
13.49.22 #       <langhaarrocker> I'd prefer it zipped
13.49.33 #       <Zagor> nope, haven't tested. your comment about the whole thing being 2 lines wasn't very encouraging :-)
13.49.37 #       <langhaarrocker> oh, in cvs. Should read befor I write.
13.49.51 #       <Schnueff> Zagor: yes, but tidy -xml -utf8 converts this to many lines
13.50.17 #       <Schnueff> one should imagine, that open-office doesnt care if its one or many lines
13.50.26 #       <Schnueff> (paying attention on white-spaces?)
13.50.36 #       <Zagor> i agree
13.50.46 #       <Zagor> but I think we can wait a bit with that
13.50.49 #       <Schnueff> k
13.51.34 #       <Zagor> at least we need to make help scripts to easily merge a new content.xml into an existing sxw file, and possibly also diff two sxw files
13.52.02 #       <Schnueff> yes, at least
13.52.18 #       <Zagor> maybe these things exist already
13.52.28 #       <Schnueff> i'll have a look somewhere
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14.12.29 #       <piano_magic> hi 
14.12.41 #       <Zagor> hi
14.12.47 #       <piano_magic> i have the jukebox recorder 20 go
14.13.03 #       <piano_magic> it seems not to be possible to record songs
14.13.21 #       <Zagor> not with 1.4, no. use the daily build.
14.13.34 #       <dwihno> Or wait for 2.0 :)
14.13.45 #       <dwihno> 2.0 is not far away
14.13.50 #       <piano_magic> when will it be released ?
14.13.55 #>>     "explain 2.0" by dwihno (dwihno@h193180246067.kommunicera.umea.se)
14.14.08 #       <Zagor> piano_magic: any day now
14.14.29 #       <piano_magic> ok thanks ...
14.14.30 #       <dwihno> Zagor: The second 2.0 is released, IVL will be checked in :-)
14.14.40 #       <Zagor> dwihno: is it optional?
14.14.55 #       <dwihno> Zagor: of course! I've perfected the patch, thanks to Linus
14.15.03 #       <Zagor> sounds good
14.15.04 #       <dwihno> I owe him starka såsen
14.16.03 #       <langhaarrocker> I've got jelley beans with pepperony taste here. Is that a substitute?
14.16.05 #       <piano_magic> i should be available soon so ... thanks for yr work , rockbox is great !!
14.16.23 #       <Zagor> piano_magic: thank you
14.17.19 #       <piano_magic> i go and see for daily updates ...
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14.19.59 #       <Bagder> rehi
14.20.03 #       <Schnueff> wb
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14.20.23 #       <langhaarrocker> Bagders's back!
14.21.45 #       <Schnueff> heh, sxw2html - convert sxw to html
14.21.55 #       <Schnueff> a 43-line bash script making extensive use of sed :)
14.22.19 #       <Bagder> http://storebror.haxx.se/NEWKEYS
14.24.08 #       <Zagor> CSWM :)
14.24.18 #       * Bagder grins
14.24.46 #       <Zagor> what is F1 in menu? "Go to MENU" ???
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14.25.19 #       <Bagder> oops
14.25.22 #       <langhaarrocker> Is there anybody willing to share the burden of user assignable keys with me?
14.25.25 #       <Zagor> and why have the pitch screen as a key in the menu?
14.26.00 #       <Bagder> gone now
14.26.07 #       <Zagor> :)
14.26.10 #       <Zagor> looks good
14.26.33 #       <Bagder> langhaarrocker: as you can see in my suggestion here, I do suggest a very much simplified version of that concept
14.26.41 #       <Zagor> i think I'd like to have shuffle and repeat quickly togglable, though. are you planning on making those as user-configables on ON+X ?
14.26.53 #       <Bagder> yes
14.27.16 #       <Bagder> I'm not really sure of the keylock in wps either, it it'll be comfortable like this
14.27.21 #       <Zagor> maybe have the f2 screen configurable instead, to avoid dual-handed operation?
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14.27.42 #       <Bagder> well, f2 is only one key
14.27.54 #       <Zagor> yes, but it can bring up a screen or menu
14.28.00 #       <Zagor> like today
14.28.40 #       <Bagder> you mean a custom menu?
14.28.50 #       <dwihno> I think the current layout is good :)
14.28.52 #       <Zagor> yes, or a custom quickscreen :)
14.28.57 #       <langhaarrocker> I still don't like the right button to start playback of songs. 
14.29.19 #       <langhaarrocker> (on recorders)
14.29.20 #       <Bagder> langhaarrocker: only for moving in the tree then?
14.29.24 #       <langhaarrocker> yes
14.29.40 #       <Bagder> I could buy that
14.29.53 #       <Bagder> Zagor: but I've used f2 in the wps already ;-)
14.31.38 #       <Zagor> the pitch screen is not very important, imho. it can even be a meny entry.
14.31.39 #       <langhaarrocker> I'd prefer the left button in menus not to exit the menu. 
14.31.57 #       <Zagor> langhaarrocker: any menu or just the top level?
14.32.22 #       <langhaarrocker> any menu. There's a off key for exiting
14.32.32 #       <Bagder> I like left for that
14.32.50 #       <Zagor> moving from level 3 to level 2 is not what I'd call exiting
14.32.51 #       <langhaarrocker> It's often that I press and hold the left key to get back to the root and - oops I left the menu
14.33.32 #       <Zagor> ok, so you do mean just the top level
14.33.40 #       <langhaarrocker> level3 -> leve2 with left is perfect. But it shouldn't quit the root menu.
14.33.55 #       <langhaarrocker> Zagor: yes
14.33.58 #       <Zagor> I can agree with that.
14.34.17 #       <Bagder> ok
14.34.20 #       <Bagder> changing
14.34.32 #       <Zagor> today it can easy happen that you press left once in the wps by accident
14.34.47 #       <Bagder> true
14.34.57 #       <Bagder> one could possibly imagine f1 to exit the menu
14.35.34 #       <langhaarrocker> that's ok with me.
14.35.39 #       <Zagor> yes. f1 or off, I think
14.35.46 #       <Zagor> off is a good "general exit" button
14.36.07 #       <Bagder> ok, I set f1 the same as OFF for now then
14.36.45 #       <Zagor> while we're just discussing, OFF and F1 should exit the menu from any level
14.37.00 #       <langhaarrocker> good
14.37.05 #       <Bagder> true
14.37.15 #       <Bagder> but
14.37.25 #       <Bagder> you press OFF out from some settings screens, don't you?
14.37.34 #       <Bagder> like cancel
14.37.45 #       <Zagor> yes, you can do that
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14.38.08 #       <Bagder> well, ok, it doesn't really contradicts this
14.38.32 #       * Zagor is running "make VERSION=2.0"
14.38.42 #       <Bagder> w000
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14.39.34 #       <Schnueff> time for a new topic?
14.39.57 Topic   "We are so much 2.0" by Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se)
14.40.03 #       <dwihno> :-D
14.40.05 #       <dwihno> Yay!
14.40.14 #       <Bagder> starting a bit careful ;-)
14.40.20 #       <dwihno> *drumrolls*
14.40.23 #       <langhaarrocker> time to change logbot explain 2.0 ? :)
14.40.41 #       <Zagor> it's not released yet ;)
14.40.56 #       <Bagder> we PREPARE ourselves ;-)
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14.41.28 #       <langhaarrocker> Can you remember the last time in the good old days when you had an official verision of rockbox on your machine?
14.41.52 #       <dwihno> I never did
14.42.05 #       <Bagder> me neither
14.42.27 #       <Zagor> hehe
14.42.45 #       <langhaarrocker> So why do we bother with 2.0 then?
14.42.55 #       <Bagder> for the crowds
14.42.57 #       <Zagor> Bagder: the credits scroll should not clear the screen before starting to scroll.
14.42.58 #       <dwihno> yeah
14.43.15 #       <Bagder> Zagor: ?
14.43.22 #       <Bagder> it scrolls all the time
14.43.36 #       <Bagder> doesn't it?
14.43.40 #       <Zagor> it would look very cool if the logo scrolled up while the text comes in underneath
14.43.46 #       <Bagder> ah
14.43.58 #       <Bagder> but it doesn't scroll the screen that way
14.44.04 #       <Bagder> so it would take quite a hack to add
14.44.13 #       <Zagor> yeah. but it would look cool :-)
14.44.18 #       <Bagder> it would
14.44.25 #       <Bagder> I've wanted to make a bouncing Rockbox-logo
14.44.34 #       <Bagder> just hang on, it'll come ;-)
14.44.36 #       <langhaarrocker> Does that use hardware scrolling?
14.44.55 #       <Bagder> the credits? nope
14.46.53 #       <langhaarrocker> ot: has anybody of you experience in Extreme Programming? Programming in pairs?
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14.47.12 #       <Zagor> no
14.47.18 #       <Bagder> not strictly, no
14.47.22 #       <Zagor> we always program in crowds :-)
14.47.28 #       <langhaarrocker> :)
14.48.48 #       <langhaarrocker> I am a Kraut. :)
14.49.32 #       <Bagder> I'm gonna give away my ~35 old issues of Linux Journal, anyone know a person nearby who'd want them?
14.50.32 #       <Bagder> hm
14.51.26 >>>     "pass" used by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de) [snoop prevented]
14.51.50 #       <matsl> Bagder: how about the recycle bin?
14.51.59 #       <Bagder> it wants it badly
14.52.14 >>>     "say Please give me all your Linux Journals!" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
14.52.16 #       <Bagder> but if there would be a human version, it could serve a better purpose
14.52.28 >>>     "cmd" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
14.52.46 >>>     "say Please give me all your Linux Journals!" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
14.53.00 #       <matsl> if you recycled it you would be sure it came to some use anyway ;-)
14.53.14 >>>     "explain langhaarrocker" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
14.53.29 #       <Bagder> very true ;-)
14.53.35 >>>     "PASS" used by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de) [snoop prevented]
14.53.46 #       <dwihno> I need a tip from you guys
14.53.59 #       <dwihno> I got a comma separated file
14.54.04 #       <Bagder> Zagor: you run purify on siemens?
14.54.05 #       <dwihno> how should I read the entries?
14.54.15 #       <dwihno> strtok?
14.54.20 #       <Bagder> in rockbox?
14.54.24 #       <Zagor> Bagder: no
14.54.40 #       <dwihno> Bagder: nah, more generic coding :-)
14.54.41 #       <Bagder> Zagor: darn ;-)
14.54.52 #       <Bagder> dwihno: yes, then strtok() is a fine option
14.55.05 >>>     "help" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
14.55.33 >>>     "say Bagder, pleas give me all your Linux Journals" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
14.56.04 >>>     "rules" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
14.57.20 >>>     "help pass" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
14.57.36 #       <dwihno> I don't get the strtok syntax.
14.57.51 >>>     "pass" used by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de) [snoop prevented]
14.58.10 #       <Bagder> firstpart=strtok(fullstring, ",");
14.58.10 >>>     "say Bagder, please give me all your Linux Journals" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
14.58.19 #       <Bagder> nextpart=strtok(NULL, ",");
14.58.21 #       <dwihno> ah
14.58.23 #       <dwihno> that's why
14.58.32 #       * dwihno gets all recursive and bongo
14.58.44 #       * dwihno brings the bongos! Let's have a bongo-devcon! :D
14.59.13 #       <dwihno> and when there are no more tokens, it returns null?
14.59.18 >>>     "show langhaarrocker" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
14.59.25 >>>     "show" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
14.59.30 >>>     "cmd" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
14.59.38 >>>     "help say" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
14.59.39 #       <Bagder> yes
14.59.55 #       <Bagder> also take notice that it modifies the original string
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15.00.31 >>>     "cmd" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
15.00.49 >>>     "level" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
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15.01.35 #       <dwihno> damn
15.01.42 #       <dwihno> :-)
15.01.55 >>>     "seen" used by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de) [snoop prevented]
15.01.58 #       <dwihno> I don't really care.
15.02.04 >>>     "seen" used by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de) [snoop prevented]
15.02.05 #       <dwihno> It's just a temp buf
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15.02.21 >>>     "show LinusN" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
15.02.38 >>>     "syntax pass" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
15.02.45 >>>     "tellme" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
15.02.56 >>>     "wholeft" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
15.02.58 #       <Zagor> should we include all fonts in the zip, or just a few?
15.03.17 #       <Bagder> you have size concerns?
15.03.22 #       <Zagor> not really
15.03.47 #       <Bagder> then include them all, it's fun!
15.03.59 #       <Zagor> ok
15.04.14 #       <Zagor> I wish we had som more wps files to include
15.04.21 #       <Bagder> yeah
15.04.27 #       <Bagder> next release
15.04.57 #       <Zagor> yup. will you have time to hack up a wps "forum" for the web page, maybe?
15.05.32 #       <Bagder> yes, I'll do that
15.08.12 >>>     "logbot say Bagder, please give me all your Linux Journals" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
15.10.20 >>>     "cmd" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
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15.21.10 #       <langhaarrocker> With a rating system?
15.21.17 #       <Zagor> why not
15.21.23 #       <langhaarrocker> "wps of the month"
15.21.27 #       <Zagor> hehe
15.24.48 #       <dwihno> They could win a T-shirt
15.24.52 #       <dwihno> What about those btw? :) :) :)
15.25.04 #       <dwihno> It has only been like ... half a year :)
15.25.11 #       <Bagder> even more
15.25.58 #       <Zagor> every project needs a mirage ;)
15.26.46 #       <langhaarrocker> yes. jet fighters are very popular recently
15.26.55 #       <Zagor> haha
15.31.35 #       <dwihno> atol! :D I got it!
15.31.41 #       * dwihno fiddles 
15.31.54 #       * dwihno is writing a foamy utility
15.32.37 #       <Zagor> foamy?
15.32.46 #       <dwihno> skum :)
15.32.57 #       <dwihno> Hm
15.33.33 #       <dwihno> you got a smart way to convert string data such as f00f00 into an int?
15.33.38 #       <dwihno> atol won't do that, I presume
15.33.43 #       <Bagder> strtol
15.34.14 #       <Bagder> value=strtol(string, &endptr, 16);
15.34.24 #       <dwihno> it's ansi?
15.34.26 #       <Bagder> if that is hex
15.34.38 #       <Bagder> ansi, iso, bsd
15.34.59 #       <Bagder> hm
15.35.05 #       <Bagder> or something
15.35.19 #       <Bagder> you can be pretty sure it exists on your platform of choice
15.35.37 #       <dwihno> 16 is the base?
15.35.40 #       <Bagder> yes
15.36.14 #       <dwihno> :-D
15.38.38 #       <dwihno> Heh, it works for the first data entry and the second fails
15.38.55 #       <dwihno> B993B92F
15.38.55 #       <dwihno> 7fffffff
15.38.59 #       <dwihno> first = ok, second = failed
15.39.04 #       <dwihno> they are supposed to be equal
15.39.33 #       <Bagder> ?
15.42.24 #       <dwihno> 25E3FC9A
15.42.25 #       <dwihno> 25e3fc9a
15.42.29 #       <dwihno> That's the first, which looks good
15.42.34 #       <dwihno> B993B92F
15.42.34 #       <dwihno> 7fffffff
15.42.37 #       <dwihno> second == bad :)
15.51.26 #       <Bagder> is the archos good enough to hold in your hand when running?
15.51.44 #       <Zagor> barely
15.58.19 #       <Zagor> Bagder: you can change the topic now
15.58.51 Topic   "Rockbox 2.0 - http://rockbox.haxx.se/download/" by Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se)
15.59.18 #       <Bagder> I'd suggest you tell the size of the download file on the page
15.59.26 #       <Bagder> files
15.59.30 #       <Zagor> good idea
15.59.39 #       <Bagder> possibly md5sums, for the paranoids
15.59.58 #       <Zagor> nah, no paranoids in our audience :-)
16.00.02 #       <dwihno> Okay, let's check in IVL :-)
16.00.10 #       <Zagor> dwihno: go ahead
16.00.27 #       <dwihno> Oh Linus, where art thou? :)
16.00.30 #       <dwihno> hm
16.01.01 #       <langhaarrocker> Yes! I want to see red builds again!
16.01.18 #       <Bagder> there's one already :-)
16.01.42 #       <langhaarrocker> Does that mean that Zagor released a buggy 2.0?
16.01.42 #       <Zagor> yup
16.01.57 #       <Zagor> not buggy per se, but the debug code is too large on the fm recorder
16.02.31 #       <dwihno> Can I mail the patch to someone with cvs access?
16.02.47 #       <Zagor> dwihno: why not just submit it to the tracker?
16.03.23 #       <dwihno> Zagor: It's too impersonal
16.03.36 #       <Zagor> :)
16.03.55 #       <dwihno> I prefer the mailing!
16.03.58 #       <dwihno> And the IRC
16.04.02 #       <dwihno> :-)
16.04.19 #       <dwihno> I would DCC you the patch, if your fishy firewall/tunnel wasn't too fishy
16.06.06 #       <langhaarrocker> What would be necessary for a version to earn the Name V3.0?
16.06.18 #       <Zagor> dwihno: the tracker is probably the quickest way. also, you get street as a developer ;)
16.06.44 #       <Zagor> langhaarrocker: i was actually just thinking about if maybe the plugin loader will qualify as a major update
16.07.06 #       <dwihno> Zagor: I'm top secret developer! Don't forget that!
16.07.09 #       <dwihno> *hush* :-)
16.07.51 #       <langhaarrocker> dwihno: Then it's you who has the mas specs! When will the *.wav recording be ready?
16.08.45 #       * dwihno is THE undercover Archos agent
16.08.47 #       <dwihno> :-)
16.09.06 #       <langhaarrocker> The UAA?
16.09.32 #       <langhaarrocker> (tm)
16.09.54 #       <dwihno> indeed
16.09.59 #       <dwihno> but it's secret, so, *hush* :)
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16.11.41 #       <langhaarrocker> Now someone should write a pdf reader for the manual.
16.16.11 #       <Bagder> you don't need our permission, just go ahead ;-)
16.17.30 #       <langhaarrocker> May I code other things first?
16.17.32 #       <dwihno> a port of xpdf :)
16.19.33 #       <Bagder> langhaarrocker: hm, ok then
16.19.53 >>>     "explain 2.0" by Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se)
16.19.56 >>>     "pass" used by Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) [snoop prevented]
16.19.57 Nick    Zagor_ is now known as Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se)
16.20.00 >>>     "expdel 2.0" by Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se)
16.20.12 #       <elinenbe> wow!  2.0 is out!
16.20.12 #       * langhaarrocker jumps up and down in joy
16.20.19 #       <langhaarrocker> Thank you, Bagder!
16.20.30 >>>     "expadd 2.0=Released on April 15th 2003. LOTS of new stuff. Download from here: http://rockbox.haxx.se/download/" by Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se)
16.20.41 #>>     "explain 2.0 now" by Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se)
16.20.54 #>>     "explain 2.1" by dwihno (dwihno@h193180246067.kommunicera.umea.se)
16.20.57 #       <dwihno> :-(
16.20.59 #       <dwihno> ;)
16.21.07 >>>     "explain *" by Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se)
16.21.26 >>>     "cmd" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
16.21.41 >>>     "level 10" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
16.22.04 >>>     "wholeft" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
16.22.15 >>>     "uptime" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
16.22.17 >>>     "expadd dwihno=The Secret Swedish Undercover Rockbox Hacker. Speaks of kebabs non-stop." by Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se)
16.22.37 >>>     "explain langhaarrocker" by Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se)
16.23.07 >>>     "explain dwihno" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
16.23.35 >>>     "explain nibbler" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
16.23.43 >>>     "explain hes" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
16.23.54 >>>     "explain adam" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
16.24.03 >>>     "explain schnueff" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
16.24.18 >>>     "explain matsl" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
16.24.20 #       <Bagder> ugh, the new apple laptops have 17" screens
16.24.25 #       <dwihno> whoa
16.24.33 #       <dwihno> And I thought my 15.1" was big ... :)
16.25.02 #       <dwihno> printf("%02x\n", strtol(glogg, &glogg+7, 16));
16.25.12 #       <Bagder> noo
16.25.14 #       <dwihno> That is correct, right?
16.25.25 #       <Bagder> that + 7 is not right
16.25.44 #       <dwihno> sure it is
16.25.51 #       <dwihno> &glogg[7]? 
16.26.04 #       <Bagder> no, that's supposed to be a pointer to a char pointer where it stores the end of the number
16.26.16 #       <dwihno> the end of the number?
16.26.20 #       <Bagder> so just &glogg would prolly be fine
16.26.29 >>>     "explain LinusN" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
16.26.33 #       <Bagder> yes, where it stopped parsing
16.26.43 #       <dwihno> mkay
16.27.10 #       <dwihno> but I still get that dumb error.
16.27.22 #       <langhaarrocker> strtol? whas that a typo for strtok?
16.27.38 #       <Zagor> string to long
16.27.59 #       * langhaarrocker smells a missunderstanding of bagder and dwihno
16.28.25 #       <langhaarrocker> strtol with 3 params?
16.28.37 #       <Bagder> const char *nptr, char **endptr, int base
16.28.52 #       <dwihno> does it handle unsigned values?
16.29.00 #       * langhaarrocker shuts up
16.29.01 #       <Bagder> strtoul()
16.29.20 #       <Bagder> that's probably what you want
16.29.43 #       <elinenbe> who is going to make the first post 2.0 commit?
16.29.43 #       <dwihno> aaaaaah :)
16.29.51 #       * dwihno would, if I could ;)
16.30.14 >>>     "explain elinenbe" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
16.30.14 #       <dwihno> Bagder: problem solved ... :)
16.30.20 #       <Bagder> goodie
16.30.36 #       <dwihno> Thanks a bunch :)
16.30.42 #       * elinenbe favorite font is atadore!
16.30.49 #       <dwihno> it's rather pretty
16.32.43 #       * elinenbe is checking out what came in the 2.0 archive!
16.34.11 >>>     "exit" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@32.20.sr2.DTM1.ip.versanet.de)
16.37.38 #       <elinenbe> hm.... I htink some .cfg files should have been put into the package.
16.42.45 #       <Zagor> yeah, for 2.1 we should have both a sample of .cfg files and .wps files
16.44.06 #       <matsl> gee what do I see. 2.0 released???
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16.44.24 #       <dwihno> Nah, you're probably drunk mats ;)
16.44.30 #       <langhaarrocker> matsl: no, thats only a late april fool
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16.44.45 #       <Quelsaruk> re-hi
16.44.47 #       <Quelsaruk> :)
16.44.49 #       <dwihno> Re-hi, quel
16.44.53 #       <langhaarrocker> oy
16.45.07 #       <matsl> sigh. I was hoping I could do away with all my post-2.0-workareas.
16.45.23 #       <hardeep> 2.0... woo
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16.48.03 #       <dwihno> Yay!
16.48.06 #       <dwihno> Let's celebrate!
16.49.12 #       <langhaarrocker> http://www.x-phobie.de/wein.jpg
16.50.27 #       <dwihno> :D
16.50.28 #       <Quelsaruk> i'd better drink a beer ;)
16.52.27 #       <dwihno> cerveza grande
16.52.40 #       * langhaarrocker is teetotal
16.52.59 #       <Quelsaruk> dwihno: we have to talk about business :)
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17.11.36 #       * langhaarrocker goes home now
17.11.39 #       <langhaarrocker> cu
17.11.48 #       <Quelsaruk> cu!
17.11.51 #       <matsl> cu
17.11.54 #       <Quelsaruk> have a nice weekend
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17.12.08 #       <Quelsaruk> :)
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17.14.40 #       <Zagor> i'm off too
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17.22.14 #       <The_Supernerd> hi badger
17.22.44 #       <The_Supernerd> bagder. wrong spelling
17.23.00 #       <The_Supernerd> where is linusn
17.24.13 #       <The_Supernerd> anyone?
17.26.29 #       <Bagder> what wrong spelling?
17.26.36 #       <Bagder> ah, my nick
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17.26.56 #       * Bagder was out running
17.27.25 #       <The_Supernerd> oh
17.27.56 #       <The_Supernerd> hey bagder could you tell linus i fixed my jukebox... it was a rockbox problem.
17.28.07 #       <The_Supernerd> he'll know what i mean
17.28.20 #       <Bagder> ok
17.28.47 #       <The_Supernerd> ill be back later, is he expected?
17.28.53 #       <Bagder> I dunno
17.28.58 #       <Bagder> he comes and goes ;-)
17.29.04 #       <The_Supernerd> ah. Maybe i could tell you this.
17.29.40 #       <The_Supernerd> i havent had my archos working right for the last few weeks. It was slow, wouldnt turn on half the time, and annoying.
17.29.53 #       <The_Supernerd> notice i say "was"
17.30.49 #       <The_Supernerd> i deleted rockbox yesterday, as an experiment. I went 24 hours with plain firmware.
17.31.14 #       <The_Supernerd> after i reinstralled rockbox, it ran perfect again.. no startup problems, or speed.
17.31.19 #       <Bagder> heh
17.31.26 #       <Bagder> weirdness
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17.32.25 #       <The_Supernerd> i think running regular archos cleaned out crap from somewhere.
17.32.56 #       <The_Supernerd> are there any issues that may leave debris (junk) laying around that slows things down?
17.32.57 #       <Quelsaruk> haven't you sacrified a goat??
17.33.17 #       <The_Supernerd> um, yeah, so??
17.33.32 #>>     "explain Quelsaruk" by Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se)
17.33.48 #       <The_Supernerd> oh, ok.
17.34.06 #       <Quelsaruk> ;)
17.34.32 #       <Quelsaruk> if cience can't explain something... maybe a goat can explain it :)
17.34.38 #       <The_Supernerd> well, i noticed that deleting rockbox, running regular firmware, and reinstalling fixed my issues. Do you think it may have reset something?
17.34.59 #       <The_Supernerd> if so, it made the biggest difference ive ever seen.
17.35.28 #       <Bagder> it sure sounds as if it did
17.35.49 #       <The_Supernerd> it ran at "Power saver" speed for a long time in regular mode. MAybe thats a good suggestion for newbies.
17.36.35 #       <The_Supernerd> well, linusn said it was either harddrive or battery. That resetting info may be signifficant info, just thought i'd pass it on.
17.38.35 #       <The_Supernerd> ex: DirecTV: Unplug for 5 minutes and plug back in... Computers: CTRL-ALT-Del and reset, Rockbox: delete rockbox, start it up, turn back off, reinstall.
17.39.33 #       <The_Supernerd> that was a great conclusion to my day without rockbox yesterday (a voyage i went on.. it sucked)
17.39.55 #       <The_Supernerd> ill be here at about 4:00 later, hope to see you and linusn, peace out.
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17.43.18 #       <Quelsaruk> umm
17.43.49 #       <Quelsaruk> why do you have to delete rockbox? i mean if that really helps, Roloing archos firmware should also work no?
17.44.56 #       <Bagder> good point
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18.03.17 #       <ruxxell> alright so i have a question, uhm.
18.03.23 #       <Bagder> shoot
18.03.33 #       <ruxxell> is there something inside the archos that makes it stop outputting audio if it shakes too much?
18.03.57 #       <Bagder> well, the harddrive starts to fail reading
18.03.58 #       <ruxxell> like, i was just out walking, and this has happened before, the music just stops, and when i check out the screen, the time is still counting down with rockbox
18.04.05 #       <ruxxell> but i have to shut it off and restart
18.04.23 #       <ruxxell> yeah, thats what i figured. just wanted to make sure it wsnt a software thing that i could set somewhere
18.04.27 #       <Bagder> well, it should get sane again when you stop shaking it
18.05.42 #       <langhaarrocker> Hi, first time I try to connect the jb to a linux machine. Kernel has scsi and isd200 support but mount fails: "mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device"
18.06.19 #       <langhaarrocker> ruxxell: it doesn't recover all times. That's called red led death and is a known problems
18.06.24 #       <Bagder> langhaarrocker: do "cat /proc/scsi/scsi"
18.07.10 #       <langhaarrocker> Attached devices:
18.07.10 #       <langhaarrocker> Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00
18.07.10 #       <langhaarrocker>   Vendor: IDE-CD   Model: R/RW 8x4x32      Rev: C1.3
18.07.11 DBUG    Enqueued KICK langhaarrocker
18.07.11 #       <langhaarrocker>   Type:   CD-ROM                           ANSI SCSI revision: 02
18.07.33 #       <ruxxell> awesome, thanks
18.08.47 #       <Bagder> langhaarrocker: do you have a /proc/bus/usb dir?
18.08.56 #       <langhaarrocker> no
18.09.05 #       <langhaarrocker> how do I get it?
18.09.35 #       <Bagder> you need to have usbdevfs support in the kernel
18.09.44 #       <Bagder> which you might already of course
18.09.50 #       <Bagder> check /proc/filesystems
18.12.01 #       <Bagder> btw, the recorder doesn't use the isd200 driver
18.13.12 #       <langhaarrocker> ? It's a recorder6,  not the recorder 20 -> it has the isd200 chip, or am I nuts?
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18.13.54 #       <Bagder> oh
18.13.58 #       <Bagder> I don't know actually
18.16.05 #       <langhaarrocker> proc/filesystems contains usbdevfs
18.16.34 #       <langhaarrocker> tried to mount with mount -t usbdevfs none /proc/bus/usb
18.17.34 #       <langhaarrocker> now we have proc/bus/usb still mounting the drive mourns
18.18.03 #       <Bagder>  /proc/scsi/scsi should show your archos disk
18.18.38 #       <Bagder> what usb drivers do you use?
18.19.10 #       <Bagder> there are uhci and ohci, I can't recall which is the one to use with isd200
18.19.44 #       <langhaarrocker> never heared about that. How do I find out?
18.20.02 #       <Bagder> lsmod perhaps
18.20.57 #       <langhaarrocker> lsmod doesn't list neither. Only usbcore.
18.22.17 #       <Bagder> it can also be built-in, so its not definite
18.24.16 #       <Bagder> try 'insmod uhci' (as root)
18.26.33 #       <langhaarrocker> uhci seems to have worked but
18.27.21 #       <langhaarrocker> when I connect the archos to usb syslog says: usb device x is not claimed by any active driver
18.27.34 #       <langhaarrocker> still nothing mountable
18.27.44 #       <Bagder> then you prolly need to load the isd200 driver too
18.28.29 #       <Bagder> it is located here /lib/modules/[fill in your version]/kernel/drivers/usb/
18.28.36 #       <Bagder> I gotta go
18.28.44 #       <Bagder> fetch laundry and make food and so
18.28.53 #       <langhaarrocker> thx and cu
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18.34.21 #       <langhaarrocker> got it working. yippieehh!!
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18.35.44 #       <Quelsaruk> Schnueff: have you found out how to diff openoffice source files?
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18.40.02 #       <REBEL> hey
18.42.10 #       <REBEL> is there anything special in rockbox2? seeing as how I update to the daily build every few days so my lastest version is only a few days old
18.42.21 #       <TBoy> hoi
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19.33.41 #       <b0mBadIEr337> i read that the recorder can turn text files into audio, is this true?
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19.45.13 #       <b0mBadIEr337> hey
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20.00.58 #       <jam1> hi everyone
20.01.23 #       <webmind> hihi
20.02.04 #       <jam1> i have a question about that nice april 1st joke
20.03.10 #       <jam1> if anyone of you can answer my question i will be very happy
20.03.18 #       <webmind> just ask :)
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20.03.41 #       <TBoy> hoi
20.04.02 #       <TBoy> all of the dailybuilds from today are based on ver. 2.0
20.04.04 #       <jam1> well i put that version on my recorder 20 but i think i did something stupid 
20.04.06 #       <TBoy> right?
20.04.48 #       <jam1> but i put that on the startup menu and now everytime i open it  it just locks up
20.05.03 #       <jam1> and says april 1st you loose
20.05.41 #       <jam1> as i cant open my jukebox i cant connect it to my computer and delete it
20.06.51 #       <jam1> my question is if there is any kind of way i can connect it to the computer
20.07.27 #       <jam1> because i dont really wanna format it and loose everything in it
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21.06.32 #       <DJBaz> hi
21.06.53 #       <DJBaz> i just got a new hard drive for ma comp and reinstalled xp, now i cant access folders on my jukebox
21.07.12 #       <DJBaz> i get the error 'f:\folder is not accessible'
21.07.25 #       <DJBaz> 'The file or directory is corrupted and unreadable
21.07.44 #       <DJBaz> any ideas?
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21.09.24 #       <DJBaz> ?
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22.21.14 #       <OnoSendai> hello all  : )
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22.26.39 #       <OnoSendai> does 1.56v sound about right for line level on the recorder ?
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22.51.55 #       <TBoy> ehm, are all of the dailybuilds from today based on ver. 2.0
23.00.18 #       <TBoy> well cya
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