--- Log for 29.04.103 Server: calvino.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16p1 Started: 42 minutes and 32 seconds ago 00.29.41 Join josh966_ [0] (~chatzilla@ak.nlc.com) 00.29.41 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.08.53 Quit Bagder ("http://daniel.haxx.se") 01.15.31 Join devZer0 [0] (jirc@p50875A69.dip.t-dialin.net) 01.19.12 Join green_ [0] (~green@Toronto-HSE-ppp3685281.sympatico.ca) 01.24.00 Quit josh966_ ("ChatZilla 0.8.25 [Mozilla rv:1.4b/20030408]") 01.29.12 # guys, you are tooooo silent today ;) 01.29.20 # I'm here! =) 01.29.43 # hey :) OOOONE ! 01.29.52 # noooo... TWO ! woohoo! 01.30.06 # who is it 01.30.11 # ? 01.30.21 # devZer0 + me. hehe 01.31.07 # ok. lets do our personal monologue :D 01.31.30 # alas, devZer0, I knew him well... 01.31.39 # (hamlet) 01.32.29 # eerrr, what? alas? hamlet? don`t understand you here 01.33.05 # nevermind. Hamlet is a play, that was a (paraphrase) of a famous line from that play. 01.33.44 # "personal monologue" ? 01.34.04 # Yeah, that was just the first thing that popped into my head that was monologue-ish. 01.35.53 # ah.well :) i`m a banause concerning such. errr, whait a minut. hamlet was from shakespeare, but i don`t really know what`s it all about. wasn`t it that guy talking to the skull? 2 beer or not 2 beer.... ? :D 01.36.07 # right right! 01.36.59 # ok. think we shouldn`t talk here about that. 01.37.04 # :) 01.37.23 # fair 'nough. 01.37.38 Join BoD[] [0] (BoD@ca-sqy-12-45.abo.wanadoo.fr) 01.37.52 # what you`re doing jzoss? just sitting on this list and having some smalltalk? ;) 01.37.57 # hi BoD 01.38.02 # yo ! 01.38.10 # I'm getting Linux back installed, actually. 01.38.26 # Upgraded my computer a week or two ago, and am just getting everything put back together again 01.38.29 # did you have a nice time with li`l m2k3 ? :D 01.38.47 # jz: it 01.38.59 # ?? 01.38.59 # it`s always the same when reinstalling pcs... :D 01.39.09 # yah. 01.39.09 # dev: who me ? 01.39.25 # yes :) 01.39.36 # I goofed this time and screwed up my XP MBR with lilo. Whoops! But everyone's happy now. 01.39.41 # yes he's fun :) 01.40.41 # bod: he`s a little bit impatient. but you`e right :) 01.40.59 # :) 01.41.40 # jz: since i use vmware i don` t have a problem with screwed up mbr`s anymore :D 01.42.03 # and reinstalling my os is just a matter of uncompressing my vmdk from cd :) 01.42.04 # yah. I'm just a cheapskate. I don't wanna spring for vmware. =) 01.42.33 # vmware is really worth it`s money 01.43.04 # Use it at work sometimes 01.43.59 # use it everyday. my f....k outlook is running within that - constantly crashing :) 01.44.37 # hehe. funfun. That's my least favorite thing about dual-booting. Trying to come up with a sane way to share mail. 01.45.41 # and i also want a news server that can remember which articles i've already read ... 01.46.02 # good idea :D 01.46.40 # right. I've tried the "use netscape on win & linux" method, but it still seems too limiting. 01.46.50 # i can't believe that just doesn't exist in 2003 :) 01.46.52 # but this exists ! 01.47.10 # google remembers all articles you read ! 01.47.12 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.47.20 # unfortunately, it won`t let you know :D 01.51.13 Join Nibbler [0] (~Nibbler@port-212-202-193-221.reverse.qdsl-home.de) 01.58.48 # schlafmützen hier alle, herschaftzgzeiten nomma! 02.00.58 # hey did you see the new ipods ? http://www.apple.com/ipod/ 02.01.09 # but they still can't record ... 02.02.16 Join FranzK [0] (jirc@149.171.240.137) 02.03.47 # thanks. will take a look at. i like ipods. design is coool! 02.07.58 # yes and it doesn't take 30 seconds to boot ;) 02.08.38 # it's superior to archos models in many ways ... including price :) 02.10.24 Quit ClosetPacifist ("http://www.takkitoons.com") 02.12.39 # what does it cost? 02.12.53 # i'm not sure 02.13.00 # but it's not cheap i can tell you that :) 02.13.21 # but it is better manufactured 02.13.36 # archos quality is really poor 02.13.57 # very true 02.14.08 # that's why my unit is still defective :( 02.14.29 # what happened to it? 02.15.05 # it keeps rebooting for no particular reason in the middle of songs 02.15.35 # i opened it and saw that the battery back panel was not properly soldered 02.15.44 # so i soldered it back 02.15.44 # even if you don` t touch it? 02.16.01 # and .... it doesn't work better now 02.16.20 # sometimes when I don't touch it .. but most of the times it's when I move it 02.16.51 # for example i can't walk with it in my pocket.. i have to handle it in my hand or else it reboots again and again 02.17.30 # you should solder all the soldering spots again. :) 02.18.13 # i think so 02.18.26 # but it's stupid there is too much pressure on this panel ! 02.18.50 # when you put the batteries it's just too tight, no wonder why it get unsoldered ! 02.19.23 # yes. 02.19.47 # when i took a look into my jb it was my first thought 02.20.08 # it's just stupid :) 02.20.31 # they could have added one milimiter and it would have been allright 02.21.13 Join thu [0] (~thu@h24-78-136-7.vc.shawcable.net) 02.24.41 # yes, agree! 02.26.23 # archos could be MUCH better if they had spent some little effort. furthermore, the case is really sleazy 02.31.44 Quit FranzK ("Leaving") 02.36.06 # yup :) anyway i have to go to bed now !! 02.36.11 # see you all, bye ! 02.36.17 Quit BoD[] ("mblelop") 02.37.14 # good idea. cya/2 :D 02.37.19 Quit devZer0 ("Leaving") 03.13.10 Quit thu ("init 0") 03.13.10 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.47.16 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.56.49 Nick Josh_ is now known as Jet8810 (~Jet8810@adsl-34-53-86.mia.bellsouth.net) 04.07.29 Join Cody [0] (~codybaker@moron.spintime.org) 04.08.17 # I just bought a archos off ebay, only problem is it doesn't have a link cable, what type of cable is it 04.08.44 # i know it's USB, but is it standard usb, or is it different on the archos end (mine hasn't arrived yet) 04.10.03 # yup. Standard usb 04.10.18 # Same plug both ends 04.10.32 # ohh, that's interesting 04.10.41 # Not the kind that has a tiny end, or the kind with a squarish-end. Both ends look like the one that plugs into your PC 04.10.51 # right 04.11.21 # that's what it looked like from the picture, i just wanted to be sure 04.11.32 # that's cool, i can make one of those pretty easily 04.11.43 # yah. When's your archos showing up? 04.11.46 # wed 04.11.52 # woohoo!! 04.12.25 # what would you consider a decent price for a used archos 10gb 04.12.50 # I paid like $180 for my 15GB new. 04.13.14 # So maybe $100-$120-ish for a 10GB used?? {shrug} I don't know, really 04.13.14 # comes with software, headphones, and ac adapter? 04.13.34 # i paid 135, so, that's not that far off 04.13.46 # Yah., but the software isn't necessary (is just a standard USB harddrive), and the headphones are crappy 04.13.51 # So you're not missing much there. 04.14.01 # that's sort of what i figured 04.14.20 # Standard AC adapter should work, as long as you get the right voltage (9-10V or so)... 04.14.35 # so it should just work in fbsd too because it's just a usb hd, that's cool 04.14.56 # The AC-adaptor they supply actually doesn't supply enough current to keep up with the device's full draw (harddrive up and spinning). 04.15.21 # So for long transfers (the initial fill-up), sometimes people's batteries run dry even while it's plugged into the wall! =) 04.15.33 # heh 04.15.53 # well again, i' 04.16.03 # ve got 9v transformers i can use 04.16.08 # yup. 04.16.52 # how's the line out on them 04.17.44 # sufficient for plugging in to a car stereo? 04.17.58 # I don't think the recorders (as opposed to the players) have a line-out. Just a headphone-out. 04.18.13 # well this isn't a recorder 04.18.15 # just the player 04.18.17 # My recorder's headphone-out is sufficient for plugging into the stereo. 04.18.25 # ohh, gotcha 04.18.33 # I dunno about the player, but I would assume so. If not, you can use the headphone jack. =) 04.19.15 # is there any difference between the "studio" and the normal player 04.19.42 # I don't think so, but I don't know for sure. I think the studio's more recent... 04.20.02 Join thu [0] (~thu@h24-78-136-7.vc.shawcable.net) 04.20.17 # how rugged are we talking? 04.20.41 # pretty flimsy construction. Buttons feel "shaky", and weak plastic. 04.20.45 # But the bumpers help. 04.20.49 # ok 04.21.26 # any idea how well those car remote things they have for them, pan out? 04.21.38 # I don't worry too much about throwing mine in a coat pocket, or in a backpack, but I wouldn't trust dropping it from any significant height. =) 04.22.13 # I don't know. There's some support for the remote in rockbox, but I'm not sure how much. 04.22.31 # The remote buttons aren't unlocked when the devices is in keylock mode, for instance 04.23.08 # argh don't mention dropping stuff from backpacks :-\ 04.23.21 # sorry. Bad associations? 04.23.31 # my backpack opened and I dropped a 120G drive on the pavement 04.23.38 # eeeeek! 04.23.58 # heh.. right in front of the airport 04.24.10 # after it got through checks and everything 04.24.47 # I was on a roadtrip and brought my palm pilot along with everyone's phone numbers I needed to contact (friends I was meeting, staying with, etc). At my first stop, my friend dropped it, and the batteries fell out, and I lost everything. So I feel your pain (even though mine was recoverable) 04.25.03 # don't mention palm pilots either :) 04.25.12 # or visors to be precise 04.25.26 # I took mine with me w/ a modem and keyboard and everything 04.25.34 # so I can get online from where I was 04.25.49 # I plugged in the modem, unrecoverable error, lost all my data 04.25.58 # => 10+ days with no net 04.26.19 # my archos is the luckiest device ever so far 04.26.33 # it's still in one piece, no major dives, no major errors 04.26.34 # Bleh. I know someone like that... technology runs in fear whenever she comes near. =) 04.26.45 # :-) 04.27.26 # I wonder how shock resistant is the archos 04.27.36 # I wouldn't wanna test though 04.27.40 # 46.2381 04.27.46 # just kidding. ;) 04.27.50 # heh 04.27.53 # heh 04.28.15 # hmm I could start a gallery 04.28.20 # 3 dead mp3 cdplayers 04.28.28 # 1 dropped from a moving car 04.28.41 # how??? Hanging out a window? 04.28.45 # 1 wouldn't start anymore 04.28.48 # I might just have to look in to a special case or something, cause i two am natorious for killing portable audio equipment 04.28.58 # 1 with bad lcd 04.29.06 # umm I think I had it in the door pocket 04.29.11 # ah. 04.29.14 # and I tried to open/close the door or something 04.29.51 # my archos is 5 months old now 04.29.58 # i'm on discman 5, the kind folks at best buy keep buying me new ones tho, because i keep signing up for the 8dollar two year, if it dies replacement plan. And i've always managed to break it within two years 04.30.01 # it's shedding like hell 04.30.10 # shedding? 04.30.19 # yeah the paint is going 04.30.20 # from the back 04.30.26 # I think it's because of heat 04.30.35 # that 120gb? 04.30.40 # archos 04.30.41 # little warm, eh? 04.30.50 # 120G archos? hmm :P~ 04.31.05 # ohh, i read that above and thought you were talking about an archos 04.31.21 # heh. Bjorn's got an 80GB, but I don't know if anyone has a 120G archos... 04.31.22 # heh, i agree that does sound nice, i was wondering tho, cause biggest laptop drive i've seen's 80 04.31.41 # how much though? 04.31.55 # the archos isn't that great to navigate 04.31.59 # no jump feature 04.32.08 # 80G would be hard to manage 04.32.10 # $328 - 80.0GB 04.32.14 # whoaa 04.32.25 # yeah + price of archos 04.32.26 # that's soo much not worth it 04.32.27 # ?? jump to a given trackNum ?? 04.32.43 # jzoss: winamp/xmms "J" jump feature 04.32.51 # yeah, really it'd be cheaper just to have two archo's with 40gb's 04.32.55 # search through all the available music 04.33.12 # hdd prices are crazy 04.33.22 # I was looking at regular drives the other day 04.33.26 # yeah, that would suck to navigate, i've only got 20gb and it'd hard enough on a computer 04.33.34 # cuz I just went and bought another 120G 04.33.46 # heh 04.33.53 # 100G - $220 04.33.58 # 120G - $220 04.34.03 # 180G - $570 04.34.20 # heh 04.34.41 # off where you looking 04.34.41 # $265 - EIDE 250GB 04.34.41 # $202 - EIDE 200GB 04.34.45 # I'm not sure if the first one was 80G or 100G 04.34.54 # that was in CAD 04.35.04 # CAD? 04.35.07 # divide to 1.4 to get USD 04.35.10 # ohh 04.35.11 # gotcha 04.35.13 # s/1.4/14 04.35.16 # s/14/1.4 04.35.19 # argh 04.36.24 # still tho, still tho, 250gb for 265*1.4 < 180 for $570/whatever 04.36.45 # those are the prices here 04.36.59 # 265 for 250G sounds great 04.37.18 # I wouldn't want one of those babies to crash on me though 04.37.32 Join Nibbler [0] (~Nibbler@port-212-202-193-221.reverse.qdsl-home.de) 04.37.40 # raid1 or nothing 04.37.47 # I honestly don't know what'd do with 250gb 04.37.57 # heh try ripping dvds 04.38.07 # i do on occasion, and that's true, but... 04.38.13 # 7G / movie 04.38.17 # yeah 04.38.27 # i know, i've got a couple floating around here 04.38.27 # or get a digital video cam 04.38.31 # that. 04.38.59 # but i'm a poor geek, i couldn't even shell out the money to get a new archos, or one with a 20gb drive 04.39.05 # forget a DV cam 04.39.26 # heh I just got my 120G drive and I'm almost broke 04.39.27 # they pay me in nickles at work 04.39.28 # tell me about it 04.39.46 # 6/h 04.39.51 # oh a DV cam is only $4k+ 04.40.04 # and it's been that way for over a year, which is starting to piss me off 04.40.13 # I don't even work 04.40.17 # I do some contract jobs 04.40.26 # what type? 04.40.51 # oh just about anything I can get my hands on 04.40.56 # some programming here and there 04.41.04 # sounds good 04.41.16 # now I'm busting my ass to learn how to do embedded C 04.41.30 # I really need to pick up some decent programming skills, end up doing that come fall hopefully 04.41.36 # embedded software rulez 04.41.46 # I did something really dumb and actually tried to learn embedded C 04.41.46 # you don't worry about OS, stupid users, installation 04.41.59 # before knowing normal c 04.42.03 # uhm 04.42.17 # It was for a project my friend and I were working on 04.42.21 # I can't say I know C really well but I've been through the basic concepts 04.42.52 # we were trying to make a wireless transciever for USB cables, so you could have a laptop and wonder around the room and still print to your normal printer etc... 04.43.03 # cool 04.43.30 # I'll tell you a good way to learn embedded C 04.43.31 # it was for science fair, and we were doing real well, and eventually made it internation, but when we made it to internations we realized we actually had to try and build it 04.43.45 # you go to some employer that needs something done with a smart controller 04.43.50 # and you go "sure I can do that" 04.43.57 # "in a week or so" 04.44.17 # :-) 04.44.29 # that's really good motivation 04.44.32 # so we went bought a fancy ass DSP and a bunch of extra shit and then realized that despite the fact that it had several lanuages you could program in, we didn't know a damn one of them 04.44.41 # lol 04.44.53 # lol, yeah, isn't that the story of all computer geeks, the movitation thing 04.44.55 # hehe. 04.45.11 # I work at an ISP now, and that's pretty much a daily thing. 04.45.20 # Sure i can build you a mail server that blocks spam.... 04.45.31 # is my current delema 04.45.38 # But it's way more fun to learn a language while doing a project you're interested in. As opposed to learning a language to work on something you could care less about. 04.45.59 # that's very true, that's how i've learned pretty much all of the computer stuff i have 04.46.07 # jzoss: well it does help that I find doing embedded stuff fun 04.46.23 # I'm still in HS, so i've not really had any formal classes, so it's all stuff i've learned my own on that model 04.46.48 # heh I guess I did learn something in 4 years of CS in HS 04.47.14 # i got to a school of 400 people in the middle of a corn field, when the IS guy needs help he calls me 04.47.15 # +2 years in middle school 04.47.24 # :) 04.47.33 # nice 04.50.42 # anyways, speaking of HS, i've got homework to do 04.50.58 # I'm out in like 20 days, i'm SOOOO looking forward to it 04.51.25 # congrats! 04.51.30 # heh.. summer semester starts in 1wk here 04.51.34 # I'm jumping back in 04.51.48 # my sister's graduating soon too. 04.52.18 # that's good 04.53.55 # heh I wish I still were in HS 04.55.05 # I'm sure i'll miss it later, but man i'm dying to get out now. 04.55.21 # hell i skipped today mainly just to skip 04.55.52 # it's pathetic how few meaningful classes i actually have 04.58.14 # that's the whole point 04.58.31 # I don't feel like skipping a $400 class now 04.58.44 # especially when I have just a few of them, all interesting 04.58.44 # i can understand that 05.06.54 Join ken0 [0] (marklar2@80.178.32.205.forward.012.net.il) 05.13.20 Quit ken0_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.29.48 Part jzoss ("Client exiting") 05.29.48 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.33.17 Nick _seb_ is now known as seb-sleep (Sean@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 05.47.17 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.53.47 Quit ken0 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.53.52 Quit PsycoXul ("leaving") 06.09.09 Quit green_ (Ping timeout: 14400 seconds) 06.19.12 Join PsycoXul [0] (psyco@adsl-63-205-47-123.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) 06.39.58 Quit PsycoXul (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 06.39.58 NSplit calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 06.39.58 Quit Stevie[FreedomPa (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 06.39.58 Quit mbr (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 06.39.58 Quit Nomad__ (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 06.41.35 NHeal calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 06.41.35 NJoin PsycoXul [0] (psyco@adsl-63-205-47-123.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) 06.41.35 NJoin Stevie[FreedomPa [0] (~whatsit2u@65.114.136.196) 06.41.35 NJoin Nomad__ [0] (nomad@24-216-225-11.charter.com) 06.41.35 NJoin mbr [0] (~mb@stlx01.stz-softwaretechnik.de) 07.13.30 Join Nibbler [0] (~Nibbler@port-212-202-193-221.reverse.qdsl-home.de) 07.43.32 Join Zagor_ [242] (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) 07.43.32 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.43.40 Nick Zagor_ is now known as Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) 07.43.42 # oogabooga 07.47.20 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.59.06 Join green_ [0] (~green@Toronto-HSE-ppp3685281.sympatico.ca) 08.39.56 Join ratsflif [0] (ratsflif@96-50.34-65.tampabay.rr.com) 08.46.22 Nick dw|gone is now known as dwihno (dwihno@193.180.246.67) 08.54.58 Join matsl [0] (~matsl@dhcp87.contactor.se) 08.57.18 Join thu_ [0] (~thu@h24-78-136-7.vc.shawcable.net) 09.10.47 Quit thu (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.12.00 Quit PsycoXul ("Changing server") 09.13.02 Join PsycoXul [0] (psyco@adsl-63-205-47-123.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) 09.13.41 Join Nibbler [0] (~Nibbler@port-212-202-193-221.reverse.qdsl-home.de) 09.16.08 Join langhaarrocker [200] (~Phil@212-204-020-002.dsl1.versanet.de) 09.39.08 Nick thu_ is now known as thu (~thu@h24-78-136-7.vc.shawcable.net) 09.39.08 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.45.34 Quit thu ("Client exiting") 09.47.22 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.11.28 Join LinusN [200] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 10.11.40 # oogabooga zagor 10.11.53 # yo 10.11.57 Join tracktheripper [0] (jirc@ACBCAD0B.ipt.aol.com) 10.12.09 # (the secret Rockbox salute: oogabooga) 10.12.17 # oogabooga everybody 10.12.29 # :-) 10.12.42 # oogabooga :-) 10.13.02 # was my reaction to Brents' posting too hard? 10.13.05 >>> "pass" used by langhaarrocker (~Phil@212-204-020-002.dsl1.versanet.de) [snoop prevented] 10.13.16 >>> "cmd" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@212-204-020-002.dsl1.versanet.de) 10.13.55 >>> "help expadd" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@212-204-020-002.dsl1.versanet.de) 10.13.56 # maybe a little cranky :-) 10.14.24 >>> "logbot explain oogabooga" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@212-204-020-002.dsl1.versanet.de) 10.14.36 # i reread my posting and it did sound a little cranky 10.14.41 >>> "explain oogabooga" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@212-204-020-002.dsl1.versanet.de) 10.14.49 >>> "expadd oogabooga=The secret Rockbox salute" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@212-204-020-002.dsl1.versanet.de) 10.14.55 >>> "explain oogabooga" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@212-204-020-002.dsl1.versanet.de) 10.16.31 # :( 10.16.43 # ogabooga. 10.18.40 # hi hes 10.19.20 Join TotMacher [0] (tot@ip67.rsidus.riege.de) 10.28.54 # Has oogabooga any etymological background? 10.30.58 # it's the ancient sound for "bug found, yummy!" 10.31.20 # oogamy [??'?g?m?] 10.31.20 # noun sexual reproduction involving a small motile male gamete and a large much less motile female gamete: occurs in all higher animals and some plants 10.31.21 # old swedish folklore from the stone age 10.31.30 # Zagor, could the Archos have some sort of "startup sound" rather like Windows? 10.31.32 # :D 10.31.36 # sure 10.32.02 # but how would you hear it? unless u wear your headphones 24/7 10.32.23 # i guess you put them on before you start it up 10.32.46 # then press Play when you hear the startup sound (if you have resume=ask) 10.32.51 # yea but in the feature request he wants the sound in case he forgets he has switched his Archos on 10.33.21 # then i guess he has it connected to speakers 10.33.30 # Can we implement a headphone-plug-inserted-detection by watching errornous remote signals? 10.33.48 # langhaarrocker: maybe 10.39.26 # it would be very unreliable 10.39.47 # :( 10.48.16 Join Quelsaruk [20] (~Swordmast@faerun.ugr.es) 10.48.19 # * dwihno shows some code: "lcd_update()" ;-D 10.48.20 # morning 10.48.27 # Bueno, QUel 10.48.33 # oogabooga 10.48.57 # i know you couldn't live without me :) 10.48.57 # hi jose 10.49.03 # hi linus :) 10.49.22 # LinusN: maybe we could simply toggle the sound output on/off rapidly, creating a buzzing sound with the click 10.49.58 # i'd rather play a .rockbox/welcome.mp3 10.50.03 # wuss :) 10.50.29 # then anyone can use their own sound 10.50.47 # yes 10.51.10 # but a buzz could still be useful, for key feedback and such. 10.51.18 # gotta try it :-) 10.51.38 # We could simulate polyphony by interleaving the mp3 frames of welcome.mp3 and the current song. :) 10.51.41 # i have a question.... 10.51.48 # langhaarrocker: :-) 10.52.04 # how many goats should i sacrifice to repair my boot loader? 10.52.11 # Quelsaruk: 5 10.52.21 # langhaarrocker: i've actually planned to try that too, but for crossfading purposes 10.52.32 # i dunno why, but i get now a lot of '07' instead of grub's screen :( 10.52.56 # Zagor: the bit reservoir will make that very difficult 10.53.01 # yes, I know 10.53.09 # still, it has to be tested. 10.53.58 # quel: what's a grub screen? 10.53.59 # if 1/1 interleave won't work, maybe 5/5 could 10.54.20 # Quelsaruk: that's a loader error. see the man page 10.54.25 # grub is my boot loader 10.54.29 # morning Quels 10.54.31 # oogaboowogga 10.54.32 # :-) 10.54.41 # Is the sh1 fast enough to detect and interleave mp3 frames in real time? 10.54.49 # Zagor: i'm doing that now :) 10.55.08 # langhaarrocker: yes, it could be able to 10.55.59 # although i'm starting with prebuilding interleaved mp3 files on a pc 10.56.06 # Quel: grub = rolo without rockbox? 10.58.18 # langhaarrocker: yups :) but now it says 'insert archos firmware' ;) 10.58.47 # argh. 11.00.04 # Zagor: please don't allow Quelsaruk to add a menu entry "Increase goat blood soak". 11.00.26 # why not langhaarrocker? 11.00.29 # langhaarrocker: we won't allow it 11.00.39 # :( 11.00.39 # the MAS can only decrease it 11.00.56 # Quel: you'd need surgical gloves because of aids. 11.01.51 # :P 11.02.05 # not really, goats are inmune to aids 11.06.42 # Archos no longer make the Player 11.06.50 # they don't offer it on their website anymore 11.07.29 # R.I.P. the Player :-) 11.07.33 # Ok. That's it. We can remove the player target from the daily builds. 11.08.10 # but what about the existing players? 11.08.35 # are you gonna leave them in the lurch? 11.08.55 # The players will dissapear in a puff of logic soon. 11.09.22 # give it a new lease of life by making it record via the LINE IN 11.09.40 # tracktheripper: you are joking, right? 11.09.49 # about removing the builds, i mean 11.09.58 # that was langhaarrocker 11.10.03 # and he was joking 11.10.04 # ah, ok 11.10.10 # sorry 11.10.18 # so you should be Zagor :-) 11.10.32 # they, annoyingly, both turn up in green in my irc client. 11.11.01 # what turn up green Zagor? me and langharoker? 11.11.06 # Zagor: Should I add some bugs so that I turn red? 11.11.15 # :-) 11.11.45 # Zagor its about time there was a firmware update for you! not the Archos! 11.11.49 # tracktheripper: each nick gets its' own color, so they are easier to tell apart. but both you and langhaarrocker are green, and the same length... 11.12.01 # lol 11.12.06 # well change mine to blue then:-) 11.12.09 # * Zagor needs a memory upgrade 11.12.20 # i can't. they are automatically assigned. 11.12.42 # Zagor: you need a shuffle button :) 11.13.05 # Zagor you need an inverted video line :-) 11.15.28 # zagorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr? 11.15.42 # shh, i'm mixing mp3s 11.16.18 Join Nibbler [0] (~Nibbler@port-212-202-193-221.reverse.qdsl-home.de) 11.16.44 # :( 11.20.09 Nick Quelsaruk is now known as quel|out (~Swordmast@faerun.ugr.es) 11.23.49 Quit tracktheripper ("Leaving") 11.45.37 Quit quel|out ("reparing my s.o.") 11.45.38 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.47.26 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.09.24 # woo, first contact with the FM radio chip 12.09.57 # read/write of registers works 12.10.12 # LinusN: be quick! Achos starts discontinuing things! :) 12.10.20 # :-) 12.23.56 # LinusN: Is writing to flash painfully slow? 12.24.07 # flash memory 12.28.39 # not really, define "painfully" 12.30.15 # 6.4mbps 12.31.33 # Sounds pretty slow 12.31.45 # But if it is a limitation due to the flash, I understand. 12.32.04 # are you talking about an ATA flash card? 12.33.03 # erhm 12.33.10 # mp3 players with built in flash :-) 12.33.42 # I'm considering a iRiver flash thingy for "excercise music" :-) 12.59.47 # LinusN: in a cbr file, are all frames always the same size? 13.00.03 # i'm getting most the same size, but some smaller 13.00.53 Quit Jet8810 ("Client exiting") 13.01.30 # Zagor: the padding can affect it 13.01.42 # isn't that just one byte? 13.01.45 # yes 13.01.52 # how do you find the frames? 13.01.55 # I get bigger differences 13.02.03 # find_next_frame() 13.02.47 # hmmm 13.03.09 # what does the debug output from find_next_frame() say? 13.03.42 # ah. lots of garbage skipping. 13.03.46 # how do you use find_next_frame()? 13.03.58 # header1 = find_next_frame(in1, &offset1, 0x20000, 0); 13.04.29 # check the code in vbrfix() 13.05.52 # dwihno: since flash is slightly slow, they're now selling high-speed ATA/compactflash flash cards. They do striping to multiple memory areas, I guess. 13.06.51 # Hes: mmmkay 13.07.08 # Good for high-performance digital cameras (lots of large photos or video to be written quickly to the flash - cameras already do write-back caching in RAM 8-) 13.09.36 # But USB is slow as well. 13.13.31 # Zagor: the frame sync can be found inside the mp3 frames, so it is vital that you advance the exact frame size in the stream, and pass the first valid header you find to consequent find_next_frame() calls 13.13.46 # ah 13.14.08 # the first find_next_frame() call returns a valid header 13.14.22 # pass that to the rest of the calls, for validation 13.14.28 # how large is the maximum frame size? 13.14.46 # about 1500 bytes or so 13.14.56 # ok 13.15.08 # 128kbit/s 44.1khz is 417 bytes 13.16.07 # look at count_mp3_frames() 13.16.15 # yup 13.17.19 # ahhh, works 13.17.57 # now let's try mixing 13.18.59 Quit Nomad__ ("I'm outta here!") 13.24.00 Join Nibbler [0] (~Nibbler@port-212-202-193-221.reverse.qdsl-home.de) 13.24.05 # hehe, sounds pretty odd in winamp at least :-) 13.24.14 # i'll try 5/5 13.24.27 # Zagor: surprised? :-) 13.24.33 # not really :) 13.25.00 # ah, I forgot. I need to discard every second frame from each song too. otherwise it's played back at half speed... 13.26.45 # cool timestretching without pitch shifting! 13.27.10 # sounds crap though :-) 13.27.51 # Would you mind to publish it somewhere? I'm really curious how it sounds. 13.29.18 # it's mostly just garbage so far, probably due to mangled bit reservoir 13.29.53 # gurgling, beeping, feeping garbage? 13.30.00 # yeah 13.32.12 # with 5/5 you can actually hear the tracks. still very bloopy, but definitely audible 13.35.53 # Maybe it's suitable as an example for the nodo to demonstrate why no crossfading is possible :) 13.35.54 # oh, you actually are trying that?? 8-) 13.36.33 # No Bagder today? 13.39.37 # i think he'll be here soon 13.40.46 # can lame encode without the bit reservoir? 13.41.11 # i think so 13.41.15 # gotta go, bye 13.41.17 Part LinusN 13.41.39 # --nores 13.41.39 # Disable the bit reservoir. 13.42.00 # thanks 13.42.08 # never tried it though :) 13.46.13 # with nores files, the effect is almost listenable 13.47.29 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.48.27 # better than sox timestretch? 13.48.38 # never tried that. 13.48.44 # i doubt it, however :-) 13.48.46 # as has strange artifacts 13.48.53 # it procdues strange artifacts 13.49.23 # it sounds very "flickery" 13.49.33 # will upload a test 13.49.41 # * langhaarrocker needs timestretching in other contextes 13.50.04 # ssttrreettcchh 13.51.41 Join Quelsaruk [20] (~Swordmast@faerun.ugr.es) 13.51.51 # i'm back 13.52.04 # and i haven't used any goat to repair grub :) 13.52.07 Part Zagor 13.52.45 Join Zagor_ [242] (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) 13.52.46 # arggg 13.53.14 Nick Zagor_ is now known as Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) 13.55.00 # http://rockbox.haxx.se/mixtest.mp3 (1 MB) 13.55.01 # can you identify the songs? 13.55.18 # who? 13.55.19 # me? 13.55.49 # that is 1/1 interleave btw. 13.56.21 # Quelsaruk: anyone. it's a contest! :) 13.56.32 # it's heavy metal? 13.56.40 # heh, no 13.56.53 # then.. surely i won't be able to identify them 13.56.55 # :) 13.57.07 # * langhaarrocker cant but sounds funny 13.58.10 # My guess: Song1: 'Gurglemaster', Song2: 'Drowning' 13.58.13 # haha 13.58.49 # then you should here it with bit reservoir turned on. sounds like a radio in a waterfall :) 13.59.45 # :) 14.03.31 # http://rockbox.haxx.se/stretchtest.mp3 (1 MB) 14.04.57 # http://rockbox.haxx.se/shrinktest.mp3 (512 kb) <--- hilarious 14.09.15 # ok, so mp3 frame interleaving turned out, unsurprising, to be useless 14.09.26 Join tm [0] (~themaniac@yoke.wapmx.com) 14.20.26 Join Bagder [241] (~dast@neptunus.contactor.se) 14.20.56 # * tm sobs 14.21.00 # anouk 14.21.09 # can't believe never gonna have ogg on archos :-( 14.21.12 # nobodys wife 14.21.13 # hm 14.21.21 # you can have ogg on the archos 14.21.25 # just not listen to it ;-) 14.21.27 # heh 14.21.29 # haha 14.21.48 # Bagder: you can even listen to it 14.21.49 # tm: write an ultrafast transcoder, then we can play oggs :-) 14.21.55 # * tm tempted 14.21.56 # very tempted 14.42.02 Join tracktheripper [0] (jirc@ACBC04D1.ipt.aol.com) 14.42.02 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.42.02 # ummm 14.42.12 # hi 14.43.06 # Caption backlight is when it turns on when the song changes? 14.43.15 # yes 14.43.17 # yea 14.44.23 # maybe they will bring out a "Disco Backlight" next 14.44.24 # ...... 14.44.43 # yeah, with beat detection! 14.44.56 # yea have the backlight flash to the beat of the music :) 14.45.14 # has anyone ever told you that you find really strange names for nearly each feature? 14.45.25 # hmm. Using the peak meter as trigger that should be possible. :) 14.45.32 # yea :-) 14.46.00 # even better langharocker, have the 4 LEDs independatly flash of each other, for a more "disco" look :-) 14.46.11 # i know that you do this just because i can't find a word in spanish similar to that :( 14.46.25 # lol 14.46.54 # awwwwww poor quelsaruk 14.46.55 # :-P 14.47.29 # i'm going home... i'm really hungry today 14.47.31 # cu later 14.47.37 # menu item 'light show' with presets 'disco', 'rock', 'psychodelic' 14.47.49 # (if i find a word for "caption") 14.47.55 Nick Quelsaruk is now known as quel|out (~Swordmast@faerun.ugr.es) 14.48.37 # :-) 14.48.57 # and langharocker, go one step furtther and have it flash in different colours! 14.49.07 # * langhaarrocker shivers 14.50.26 # We could simulate hard driver errors to make the red led blink to the beat :) 14.50.37 # morning 14.50.42 # morning 14.50.57 # don't let Bjorn and co see that langharrocker :-) 14.51.13 # btw, did anyone try the archos with a CF card ? 14.51.33 # where can u plug a CF card ito the Archos? 14.51.53 # with a CF->IDE converter ? 14.51.56 # theoretically the interface of the harddrive might be used 14.52.00 # ohhhh 14.52.20 # langhaarrocker, theoreticly indeed.. just wondered if anyone tried already 14.52.45 # Major runtime increase! :) 14.52.57 # Are there any adapters 2,5" -> CF available? 14.53.17 # Magnus!!!!!!! 14.53.19 # hi :) 14.54.43 # Hellö! :) 14.55.53 # langhaarrocker, yes 14.56.03 # langhaarrocker, i already found 2 resellers i think 14.57.51 # hi!!!!!! 14.58.05 # Dwihno, best Codec, WMA VBR :-) 14.59.14 # WMA = bad 15.00.25 # * Stevie[FreedomPa is back from [gone] [gone 16hrs 21mins 12secs] [KS] 15.01.04 # not WMA in VBR mode :-) 15.01.28 # WMA = MS = EVIL = BAD 15.01.47 # hm 15.01.58 Quit tracktheripper (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 15.01.58 NSplit calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 15.02.02 # i found a minor glitch in rockbox 15.02.30 NHeal calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 15.02.30 NJoin tracktheripper [0] (jirc@ACBC04D1.ipt.aol.com) 15.02.54 Quit green_ ("Client Exiting") 15.03.16 # Stevie[FreedomPa: just a minor glitch? then you didn't look hard enough :-) 15.03.36 # ok ok calm down Magnus :-) 15.03.51 # lmao 15.03.58 # I didn't say I didn't find others 15.04.10 # I just said that one of the things I found was minor :) 15.04.33 # * Stevie[FreedomPa looks for info about submitting a patch 15.16.57 # did you find it? http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/patch.html 15.19.25 # ok 15.19.29 # diff'd. 15.20.14 Join Guest [0] (~jirc@DSL62-0-141-76.bb.netvision.net.il) 15.20.57 # hmm 15.21.01 # cvs diff -ub? 15.21.33 # ah 15.21.52 # I have a question? 15.22.04 # hm 15.22.09 # the link on this one page is broken 15.22.16 # which link on which page? 15.22.49 Quit Guest (Client Quit) 15.23.01 Join A [0] (~jirc@DSL62-0-141-76.bb.netvision.net.il) 15.23.15 Quit A (Client Quit) 15.23.22 Join Nachimiento [0] (~jirc@DSL62-0-141-76.bb.netvision.net.il) 15.24.10 # hello? I have a question about Rockbox 2.0 15.24.20 # ask away 15.24.29 # yay, i've got beep! 15.24.35 # Is there a hold option? 15.24.36 # uuuh 15.24.44 # Nachimiento: tried reading the manual? 15.24.52 # Zagor: http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/contributing.html 15.24.53 # its a fine manual 15.24.56 # i dont have Abode 15.25.02 >>> "explain manual" by langhaarrocker (~Phil@212-204-020-002.dsl1.versanet.de) 15.25.12 # at the very end is a link that's supposed to take you to the patch tracker, but the link's messed up 15.25.21 # Stevie[FreedomPa: ok 15.25.40 # ...? 15.25.54 # so is there a HOLD feature, and if so, how do I use it? 15.26.00 # there's a keylock 15.26.15 # ok, how do i use it? 15.26.19 # but you haven't said what model you have 15.26.31 # recorder 15.26.37 # lol sorry 15.27.33 # f1+down 15.27.50 # but I find it rather silly to ask questions that are perfectly answered in the manual 15.28.05 # and I don't have "Abode" either 15.28.05 # i dont have Adobe 15.28.13 # so get it 15.28.17 # or get anothe one that works 15.28.25 # hm 15.28.29 # F1+Down at the same time? 15.28.33 # I don't have that in my copy of the manual 15.28.37 # at least, it doesn't say 'hold' 15.28.48 # ah 15.28.49 # I didn't say there's a hold 15.28.50 # 'key lock' 15.28.59 # it's called 'Hold' on every CD player I've ever seen ;) 15.29.00 # I find it weird to call it hold 15.29.24 # it's referring to holding the cd player in your hand (so you don't accidentally trigger button presses) 15.29.27 # my mobile phone has no "hold" function, it has a keylock 15.29.43 # uh huh 15.29.48 # Mine too, it has a little key as symbol for that 15.29.49 Quit tracktheripper ("Leaving") 15.29.55 # when's the last time you made a fone call with your Archos? 15.30.07 # when's the last time you played a CD on it? 15.30.15 # :P 15.30.18 # Badger, thanks a lot! 15.30.26 # so which one's it closer to? 15.30.27 # Useless to call achos -> they wouldn't give us the MAS specs. 15.30.39 # dorks 15.30.41 # Stevie[FreedomPa: link fixed. thanks for spotting that. 15.30.45 # * Stevie[FreedomPa kicks archos 15.30.54 # I find my Archos mor resembling my phone than a CD player 15.30.56 # well at least they made a nice piece of hardware that we can mess with 15.30.57 # more 15.31.15 # Zagor: I have a knack for these things :) 15.31.24 # that's good 15.31.56 # one more question... i was reading about deep discharge and trickle charge on the website, and i dont understand...if i want to fully charge the archos overnight, which do i use? 15.32.12 # trickle I believe 15.32.29 # I'm pretty sure that it said deep discharge is for when you're using the thing while it's plugged in 15.32.35 # so deep is only if im playing while its plugged in, right? 15.32.59 # ok, thats what i thought, just making sure. 15.32.59 # :) 15.32.59 # thanks a lot you guys 15.33.02 # that's what I recall reading 15.35.04 # ok, patch submitted 15.35.08 # I hope I did everything right 15.36.30 # hm. 15.37.56 # looks good 15.38.03 # the f3 settings thing? 15.38.18 # yes 15.38.23 # thanks :) 15.38.46 # the other thing I noticed 15.38.57 # in the Settings menu where you configure how things are displayed 15.39.09 # battery = graphic/numeric, volume = graphic/numeric 15.39.43 # those settings take effect immediately while they're being edited, due to redrawing of the display 15.39.48 # so you can see their effects 15.40.13 # but the LCD invert setting doesn't do that, you don't see it until you've saved it 15.40.34 # unfortunately, I have not yet seen a non-kludgy way of patching it so it does do that 15.41.30 # right. i've thought about that too 15.41.32 # a new set_bool() with a function argument could do it 15.41.43 # i considered that 15.42.02 # but I don't know enough about the arch 15.42.08 # and I don't know what the overhead would be 15.42.21 # esp since set_bool just delegates to the other thing 15.42.43 Quit matsl ("Client Exiting") 15.42.49 # doesn't it? 15.43.16 # set_bool_options just calls into set_bool 15.43.17 # err 15.43.23 # set_bool_options just calls into set_option 15.43.37 # wait... 15.43.43 # http://rockbox.haxx.se/beeptest.ajz <-- opinions please 15.44.02 # hold on 15.44.10 # Wished my recorder booted... 15.44.17 # (for regular recorders) 15.44.24 # ah 15.44.28 # I have an FM recorder =/ 15.44.48 # i'll make one for fm. hang on... 15.44.53 # ok 15.45.17 # Zagor: a beep is a syntesized mp3 frame? 15.45.25 # Zagor: what have you done?! :) 15.45.35 # no, it's simply noise from turning off and on the dac 30 times! 15.45.44 # hihi 15.46.00 # *very* crude, but perhaps useful 15.46.48 # http://rockbox.haxx.se/beeptest_fm.ajz up 15.47.29 # I wondered wether you hardcore rockboxers were planning a more complex buffer management with multiple entry points for beeps, speech syllables, prebuffered next/prev Songstarts, etc 15.47.32 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.48.27 # * Stevie[FreedomPa blinks 15.48.33 # 10 times instead of 30 gives a more distinct click sound 15.49.15 # neat 15.49.21 # what happens if a song's playing? 15.49.43 # no difference 15.49.49 # wow 15.49.52 # neat :) 15.50.29 # Zagor: will the spdif output be interrupted, too? 15.50.46 # hmm, i guess not since it's not using the dac 15.50.57 # an mp3 frame would be great (/.rockbox/beep.mp3) if not for the fact that it wouldn't work while playing another mp3 15.51.14 # That this solution is probably even preferable over inserting mp3 frames into the streams. 15.51.26 # http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/faq.html#69 15.51.42 # unfortunately I seem to be able to hang the clock tick with this... not very nice. 15.51.53 # ouch 15.52.29 # Stevie[FreedomPa: i just tested interleaving the frames of two tracks. result: http://rockbox.haxx.se/mixtest.mp3 (1 MB) 15.53.01 # i don't quite understand 15.53.01 # funky effect, but far from useful 15.53.11 # how does that work? 15.53.18 # without independent frames 15.53.30 # I recoded the files to use independent frames 15.53.44 # ok 15.54.11 # without that, it just becomes noise 15.54.28 # yeah 15.54.35 # hmmm 15.54.57 # set_option() calls its function() argument whenever a key is pressed? 15.55.04 # yes 15.55.13 # which makes it effectively 'whenever the setting changes' 15.55.25 # yes 15.55.27 # the daily build for yesterday 15.55.38 # has 5 references to set_bool_options 15.56.07 # what if I patched set_bool_options to also take a function() arg and pass it down to set_option() 15.56.35 # to make the lcd invert thing take effect immediately? 15.57.07 # sounds good to me 15.57.30 # hell, I could pass in lcd_set_invert_display directly 15.57.38 # since it has the right signature 15.58.08 # yup 16.07.16 Quit Nachimiento ("Leaving") 16.12.22 Nick quel|out is now known as Quelsaruk (~Swordmast@faerun.ugr.es) 16.12.32 # i need your help :) 16.12.34 # as always 16.12.50 # can anyone tell me another word (english word) for 'caption' ?? 16.13.22 # title 16.13.28 # heading 16.14.35 # http://thesaurus.reference.com/search?q=caption 16.18.29 # i'm now down to a single pop and it feels good to me. 16.20.23 # Yeah! Feature bloat! 16.21.27 # hm 16.22.07 Join Nibbler [0] (~Nibbler@port-212-202-193-221.reverse.qdsl-home.de) 16.22.15 Quit Quelsaruk (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.24.44 # Updating Dependencies for string-win32.c 16.24.44 # gcc: not found 16.24.51 # grr 16.24.53 # eek 16.25.03 Join Quelsaruk [20] (~Swordmast@faerun.ugr.es) 16.25.06 # oh 16.25.08 # gcc itself wasn't found 16.25.09 # great... 16.25.14 # i love linux crashes :) 16.25.46 # cu later! 16.25.55 # 'win32' <- hint: not linux ;) 16.26.02 # hm 16.26.07 # $ find /cygdrive/c/cygwin/ -name gcc.exe 16.26.11 # * Stevie[FreedomPa untars the sdk again 16.26.20 # Stevie[FreedomPa :P 16.26.36 Nick Quelsaruk is now known as quel|teaching (~Swordmast@faerun.ugr.es) 16.27.25 # hm 16.27.34 # theres no plain 'gcc.exe' in this tarball 16.27.52 # nope 16.27.58 # you need a full cygwin for that 16.28.08 # perhaps our makefiles should use sh-elf-gcc for the dependency generation too 16.28.12 # that's why he includes the tools pre-built 16.28.32 # I would recommend that? 16.28.33 # :) 16.28.37 # oh 16.28.38 # * Stevie[FreedomPa ln's for now 16.28.39 # I thought we did 16.29.04 # yeah, we do 16.29.26 # so why's it complaining? 16.30.11 # where what? 16.30.11 # well 16.30.24 # would you please double-check uisimulator/win32 ? 16.30.32 # ah 16.30.36 # that needs a native compiler 16.30.57 # oh. 16.31.06 # it builds native code on your host 16.31.56 # man 16.32.06 # I'm far too used to configure taking params 16.32.23 # i just tried ../tools --platform=3 --ram=2 16.32.30 # haha 16.32.38 # :_o 16.32.39 # :-o 16.32.44 # feel free to make it accept them ;-) 16.32.46 # err ../tools/configure 16.32.53 # sorry, I don't have that much exp 16.33.30 # Updating dependencies for usb.c 16.33.30 # sh-elf-gcc: not found 16.33.37 # woo! now all I need to do is figure out how to set my path right 16.35.36 # hm, how am I supposed to convince cygwin that I'm the user 'rockbox'? 16.35.49 # er 16.37.01 # ack 16.37.03 # make[1]: *** [/cygdrive/c/tmp/rockbox-new/build-dir/sysfont.o] Error 255 16.38.57 # oh, i see 16.41.26 Join edx [0] (~edx@pD9EAB7E1.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.41.57 # settings_menu.c:68: warning: passing arg 5 of `set_bool_options' from incompatible pointer type 16.42.32 # oh 16.42.35 # bool vs int 16.44.30 # wow, it boots! 16.45.33 # and it works! 16.45.58 # hey, anybody got a recommendation on casting a function pointer? 16.46.35 # i'm thinking you don't want things like (((void(*)())x)() in yer code 16.46.37 # that's messy :-) 16.47.10 # ;) 16.47.40 # void lcd_set_invert_display(bool) <- declaration 16.47.46 # void function(int) <- parameter 16.47.59 Quit TotMacher () 16.48.22 # * Stevie[FreedomPa puts in a comment 16.50.40 # * Zagor submits his first patch ;-) 16.51.38 # check out this: http://rockbox.haxx.se/digest/digest.mail 16.51.43 # the mail friendly version 16.51.43 # first patch, eh? 16.54.09 Join TotMacher [0] (tot@ip67.rsidus.riege.de) 16.59.46 # what is displayed in the column immediately before the first digit of the clock? 17.04.24 # bbl 17.04.26 Quit Bagder ("Client Exiting") 17.12.07 Part Zagor 17.12.39 Join Zagor_ [242] (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) 17.13.36 Nick dwihno is now known as dw|gone (dwihno@193.180.246.67) 17.14.28 # er 17.14.30 # wb? 17.21.05 Join [keno] [0] (marklar2@80.178.41.220.forward.012.net.il) 17.22.01 Nick Zagor_ is now known as Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) 17.22.07 # Stevie[FreedomPa: the keylock symbol 17.23.20 # ahh 17.23.22 # ok 17.25.10 # mkay 17.25.12 Join tracktheripper [0] (jirc@ACBB332C.ipt.aol.com) 17.43.38 # do the Recorder builds use characters <32 for special purposes? 17.43.38 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.43.56 # nope 17.44.15 # gotta go 17.44.18 Part Zagor 17.45.48 # mkay 17.46.13 Quit tracktheripper ("Leaving") 17.47.35 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.48.36 # meh, i need a win32 bdf editor 17.49.18 # Don't you like the existing fonts or do you want to make a new one? 17.50.06 # I love the existing fonts 17.50.17 # I need to try altering one though 17.51.00 # wtf 17.51.16 # is there an rfc or some doc somewhere on the bdf format? 17.51.23 # I'll write my own editor 17.52.03 Join Bagder [241] (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) 17.52.26 # ask Bagder: he'll probably know 17.52.55 # * Bagder looks around, now where can I hide?! 17.53.07 # will he 'probably know' because he knows that stuff, or because he just happened to arrive? :P 17.53.15 # * langhaarrocker hints to that large vase 17.53.31 # the Ming Vase? 17.53.37 # you can only drop that in the Soft Room 17.53.59 # because the vase is to small for him you might be able to get hold of him 17.54.18 # lol 17.54.20 # there's lots of bdf docs 17.54.33 # and no nice free bdf editors? 17.54.54 # pxaedit is the only one I know of 17.55.03 # never heard of it 17.55.07 # http://partners.adobe.com/asn/developer/pdfs/tn/5005.BDF_Spec.pdf 17.55.08 # and neither has google, ti seems 17.55.31 # http://pfaedit.sourceforge.net/ 17.55.39 # * Bagder can't type 17.55.44 # oh 17.56.28 # yech 17.56.33 # cygwin X 17.57.04 # that's for using a toy os 17.57.26 # eh, this is my work machine 17.57.31 # I am sadly bound to this crap 17.57.59 # noooo, reinstall it and blame your coworkers if someone asks ;-) 17.59.26 # I can't 17.59.37 # We pay 15k a year for some crappy software 17.59.47 # and it's got some licensing crap going on 18.00.11 # this BDF format seems extremely easy to parse 18.00.20 # I don't know why nobody's done a decent win32 editor for it before 18.00.40 # possibly because no one on windows need bdf fonts 18.00.50 # we do! 18.01.23 Quit quel|teaching (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.02.19 # and google, having indexed the irc logs here, reveals that I'm not the only one 18.03.38 # yeah, rockboxers on windows have noticed this lack before 18.07.36 Part langhaarrocker 18.51.50 # * Stevie[FreedomPa builds the simulator 18.52.19 # well 18.52.24 # * Stevie[FreedomPa installs cygwin so he can build the simulator 18.53.39 # * Stevie[FreedomPa is away [food] [KS-MsgLog Off] 18.53.42 # bbl 18.53.49 # and this is driving me nuts 18.53.52 Nick Stevie[FreedomPa is now known as Stevie[FP] (~whatsit2u@65.114.136.196) 18.53.58 # bbl 18.54.36 Quit ratsflif () 18.57.30 Quit Bagder ("http://daniel.haxx.se") 19.23.05 Quit edx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.25.22 Join Nibbler [0] (~Nibbler@port-212-202-193-221.reverse.qdsl-home.de) 19.38.27 Quit [keno] (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.38.47 Join [keno] [0] (marklar2@80.178.41.220.forward.012.net.il) 19.43.01 Nick tm is now known as TheManiac (~themaniac@yoke.wapmx.com) 19.43.44 Nick TheManiac is now known as tm (~themaniac@yoke.wapmx.com) 19.47.38 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.50.57 Join Bagder [241] (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) 20.10.12 Quit Bagder ("http://daniel.haxx.se") 20.10.12 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.45.40 # * Stevie[FP] is back from [food] [gone 1hr 52mins 1sec] [KS] 20.46.12 Join TBoy [0] (~xxx@212.114.242.152) 20.46.36 # hoi 20.48.40 Join natron [0] (foobar@host1.specialty-books.com) 20.49.44 # hoi 20.49.54 # hi 20.50.09 # i just bought a JBM20 20.50.19 # does rockbox have firmware for jbm20 ? 20.50.29 # i don't know? 20.50.42 # ok :) 20.50.51 # nope 20.51.03 # multimedia you mean rite 20.51.08 # yes 20.51.40 # is it in the plans to support the multimedia ? 20.51.50 # no 20.52.00 # the website says so 20.52.05 # it's apparently completely diff from the others 20.52.21 # ahh 20.52.22 # thats to bad 20.52.24 # settings.c:1115: undefined reference to `rockbox_fprintf' 20.52.26 # im checking the web site now 20.52.26 # meh! 20.55.19 # help!!!!! 20.56.50 # 2. Build Uisimulator 20.56.54 # For the Win32 simulator: 20.56.55 # No info yet. 20.56.55 # wtf 20.58.08 Join edx [0] (~edx@pD9EAB3A0.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.00.45 # anyone know of a team of programmers working on multimedia hacks ? 21.01.53 # yea 21.02.17 # but they haven't started to do anything to/with the archos 21.02.18 # is there a website ? 21.02.25 # ok 21.02.28 # they are just talkin about it 21.02.33 # glad to hear :) 21.03.34 # do they have a irc channel ? 21.03.38 # wait i'll see if i find the adress 21.03.47 # great 21.13.42 # what is this 'descramble' thing? 21.16.14 # the Player runs at 12mhz and the Recorder runs at 11.0592MHz 21.21.29 # http://shanebrinkmandavis.com/homepage/JBMM/index.htm 21.21.35 # here you go natron 21.21.49 # Stevie who are you talkin to, if I may ask 21.22.49 # myself 21.22.58 # there wasn't anybody else here to talk to :P 21.23.12 # tboy, I presume that you use Rockbox? 21.23.28 # thanks TBoy... much appreciated 21.25.37 # TBoy: what model do you have? player/recorder/fm? 21.26.54 # F; 21.26.55 # FM 21.27.01 # cool, me too 21.27.04 # i have a question 21.27.08 # shoot 21.27.24 # do you keep the Status Bar on? 21.27.52 # yep 21.28.00 # ok, do you have the battery display as graphic or numeric? 21.29.15 # graphic and number on my wps 21.29.38 # ok 21.29.47 # so that's graphic on the status bar? 21.30.09 # yep 21.30.43 # ok 21.30.48 # * Stevie[FP] goes a-patchin' 21.32.04 # wow, can you buy the AV's yet ? 21.32.21 # just the 120 and 140 afaik 21.32.43 # i never saw them when i was shopping for mine 21.34.11 # the av300 is very nice looking 21.34.25 # yep 21.34.32 # that one's really nice 21.34.45 # maybe i should return mine and wait for that one 21.34.49 # i just got mine yesterday 21.34.58 # an MM right 21.35.03 # yea 21.35.09 # JBMM20 21.35.15 # they're also good 21.35.26 # yea, they are nice indeed 21.35.58 # but the just thinkin of not beeing able to use open source made me pick the fm 21.36.15 # yea, i never knew that 21.37.06 # hopefully there will be open source firmware for the mm in the near future :) 21.37.26 # well let's just hope that guy or someone else will make 21.37.31 # one 21.37.39 # yea 21.47.42 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.51.11 Join Nibbler [0] (~Nibbler@port-212-202-193-221.reverse.qdsl-home.de) 21.53.24 # hey tboy 21.57.35 Join josh966_ [0] (~chatzilla@ak.nlc.com) 22.00.14 # hey tboy 22.00.26 Join Zagor [242] (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 22.00.34 # wb zagor 22.00.43 # wb? 22.00.46 # ah, welcome back 22.00.50 # * Zagor is slow 22.01.00 # can anyone in .us recommend an inexpensive microphone that outputs line level? i have read the faq and 'electret condenser' type seems best 22.01.43 # josh966_: no idea. 22.01.55 # Zagor: what model do you have? player/recorder/fm? 22.02.57 # recorder 22.03.01 # ok 22.03.32 # what exactly is HAVE_CHARGE_CTRL? 22.04.05 # only the recorder can turn charging on and off 22.04.15 # oh 22.04.22 # i wonder why they disabled that for the FM 22.04.47 # maybe because it uses lithium batts 22.05.01 # probably because they replaced the whole charging logic with a chip. LiIon is more picky about charging, iirc 22.05.14 # ah 22.05.16 # ok 22.05.40 # from what I recall, I think LiIon's behavior is somewhat opposite that of NiCd and NiMH 22.05.48 # LiIons prefer to be 'topped off' constantly 22.06.03 # ok 22.06.13 # so I guess it wouldn't make sense to not charge them if the power's there 22.06.19 # yeah 22.06.21 # what i don't fully understand is 22.06.40 # we only display a numeric percentage 22.06.45 # if charge_state==1 22.07.28 # ? 22.07.40 # #ifdef HAVE_CHARGE_CTRL 22.07.45 # if ((global_settings.battery_type) && (charge_state != 1)) { 22.07.50 # #else 22.07.54 # if (global_settings.battery_type) { 22.07.58 # err 22.08.00 # if charge_state != 1 22.08.08 # woah stevie 22.08.10 # file/line? 22.08.22 # icons.c line 161 22.08.44 # looking 22.08.47 # ok 22.09.04 # it says 'graphical animation' 22.09.09 # but there's no animating thing there 22.10.08 # precisely. that code is only ran if the battery is not charging. 22.10.14 # oh 22.10.30 # oh, does it do what the original Archos infirmware does while charging? 22.10.30 # if the battery is charging, the icon is drawn by status.c (which draws an animation) 22.10.37 # that '-' '--' '---' 22.10.48 # almost, yes 22.10.55 # we're about to change that though 22.10.55 # ok 22.11.01 # i see 22.11.12 # hmm to what? and why? 22.11.18 # and now that you point it out, we ought to only draw the battery icon in one place... 22.11.32 # well 22.11.37 # i bring this up because 22.11.57 # I have an idea 22.12.07 # it may not be the greatest idea 22.12.21 # and it's almost certainly not the absolute best implementation 22.12.27 # but if anybody wants a peek 22.12.36 # hey I used the archos firmware 22.12.46 # during the holidays on my fm 22.12.51 # and it is somewhat jerk 22.12.53 # jerky 22.13.12 # Stevie[FP]: what is the idea? 22.13.20 # http://www.qrpff.net/~stevie/bat_test2.ajz 22.13.24 # it sometimes changes the batt graphic to the one while recharging 22.13.37 # and just turns off 22.13.39 # the archos firmware is so buggy 22.13.50 # I managed to crash it the day after I first got it 22.14.10 # yeah and I can't open playlists 22.14.23 # It always made me nervous that long ID3 tags caused display corruption 22.14.32 # Stevie[FP]: would you mind just telling me? :-) 22.14.37 # well 22.14.46 # I have to add the folders and then start the playlist 22.14.48 # i'm trying to squeeze as much as possible into this status line 22.14.56 # sry for inturupting 22.14.58 # heeh 22.14.59 # hehe 22.15.13 # so I drew the lil 'plug' icon that indicates charging 22.15.24 # over top of the battery icon 22.16.20 # actually the plug does not mean charging, it only means plugged-in. on the recorder, you can be plugged without charging 22.16.31 # well 22.16.35 # the variable is called 'charging' 22.16.47 # void statusbar_icon_battery(int percent, bool charging) 22.17.09 # right. bad variable name. 22.17.26 # but anyway -- when it's plugged in, it draws the little plug icon on top of the battery 22.17.33 # hm 22.17.43 # but that version I built would be for FM 22.17.45 # * Stevie[FP] renames 22.17.52 # what are you doing with the saved space? 22.17.56 # nothing yet 22.21.13 # there 22.21.14 # http://www.qrpff.net/~stevie/rockbox/ 22.25.00 # hey TBoy? 22.25.44 # yep 22.25.51 # want me to test 22.26.45 # yeah, check it out 22.28.14 # ok about to rolr 22.28.15 # rolo 22.28.55 # hm 22.29.00 # id software syndrome 22.29.04 # * Stevie[FP] eyes Zagor 22.29.10 # ? 22.29.12 # the bitmaps are sideways 22.29.28 # hah, yeah. messy, that 22.29.50 # i call it 'id software syndrome' because in Wolfenstein 3D and Doom 22.30.03 # all of the images were the same way 22.30.22 # any particular reason for that? 22.30.37 # the lcd works that way 22.30.48 # what you basiclly did is that you put the plug icon into the batt icon 22.30.55 # bits a arranged in rows of 8 22.31.08 # TBoy: yeah 22.31.17 # weird. 22.31.22 # uh, not rows. columns. 22.31.54 # but why 22.32.02 # was it just for fun 22.32.11 # (1) to see if I could pull it off 22.32.15 # (2) to see if it would look good 22.32.25 # will it be inverted if the batt meter goes over the plug 22.32.25 # #1 was a virtually guaranteed 'yes' 22.32.29 # yes 22.32.44 # it looks a LOT nicer when it's drawn that way, in fact 22.33.13 # will it be inverted 22.33.18 Nick seb-sleep is now known as _seb_ (Sean@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 22.33.21 # if that would be kwl 22.35.18 # yeah 22.35.26 # plug it in and let it charge 22.35.30 # then see what it looks like 22.35.35 # how are you doing if the display is numeric? 22.35.54 # I actually thought about that and handled it! 22.36.03 # it draws the numeric version in reverse video 22.36.15 # actually, it draws it, then if it's plugged in it uses lcd_invert() 22.36.18 # ok 22.36.21 # but the net effect is the same 22.36.50 # i build a recorder version if you want to see it 22.37.38 # it's really bad when the battery is partially charged, though 22.37.51 # because the plug image occupies the full width 22.38.07 # yeah 22.38.18 # it's very difficult to tell what part is what 22.38.22 # also it's not exactly obvious that inversed numbers means charging :-) 22.38.34 # yeah, I know 22.38.43 # I had to do something though :P 22.38.49 # now 22.39.01 # have you ever messed with the TI-8x calculators? 22.39.13 # nope 22.39.28 # the ones where people figured out a 'random undocumented feature' of the calculator 22.39.38 # and exploited it to run arbitrary assembler 22.39.51 # there were all sorts of games written 22.40.07 # tetris, a sidescroller called Sqrxz 22.40.12 # even a Doom-alike 22.40.21 # neat 22.40.23 # yeah :) 22.40.30 # 1-bit display depth 22.40.34 # however... 22.40.35 # kwl 22.40.39 # ok gotta go 22.40.49 # the inverted plug icon looks good steve 22.40.54 # ty :) 22.41.05 # someone figured out how to effectily get 2-bit display depth 22.41.10 # effectively, even 22.41.19 # interlacing? 22.41.22 # yeah 22.41.29 # the calculator's OS didn't use interrupts 22.41.35 # unfortunately, we write to the lcd over a serial link so it's not very fast 22.42.09 # so they somehow used interrupts (and I assume page flipping) to emulate 2 bits 22.42.13 # although I don't think anyone has actually tried it yet... 22.42.21 # well 22.42.27 # * Stevie[FP] chex the website 22.42.36 # ok cu guys 22.42.41 # bye TBoy 22.42.54 # I'll test the plug thing tomorrow again 22.43.04 Quit TBoy ("Bye guys") 22.43.16 # ok 22.43.22 # hm 22.43.27 # which of these datasheets is the lcd? 22.43.32 # salomon 22.43.40 # oh 22.43.48 # it's the same for recorder and fM? 22.43.52 # yes 22.44.01 # that would explain why none's listed under fm :) 22.44.06 # heh 22.46.57 # This pin is the static indicator driving output. It is only active in master operation. The frame signal output pin, M, should be used as the back plane signal for the static indicator. 22.46.59 # ugh 22.47.08 # * Stevie[FP] rubs his head 22.47.50 # hehe 22.47.51 # now this thing mentions phases and overlapping 22.47.52 # hmmmm 22.48.28 # do we know if the controller's in 'master' or 'slave' mode? 22.48.51 # i'd think so, but I don't remember 22.53.37 # hm 22.53.51 # I can't find the chip on the schematics 22.55.04 # no, it's on the actual lcd 22.55.37 # uhm 22.56.06 # but what about the connections to the lcd? 22.57.06 # you can see them here: http://rockbox.haxx.se/internals/rec_iface_bottom.jpg 22.57.44 # is that the dead center? 22.57.47 # with the yellow wires 22.57.50 # yes 22.58.06 # ok 22.58.13 # on rec_interface.pdf 22.58.15 # there's the word Display 22.58.29 # by X2-1, X2-2, X2-3,... thru X2-18 22.58.33 # is that it? 22.58.57 # where are you looking? 22.59.12 # right center 22.59.14 # or center right 23.00.28 # rec_interface.pdf? 23.01.09 # yes 23.01.28 # url? 23.01.50 # oh, now I get it. duh. 23.02.42 # yes, that's it 23.03.23 # ok 23.17.02 # i'm off to bed 23.17.04 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 23.18.55 # I just added a completely useless feature to my rockbox 23.28.24 Quit [keno] (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.33.06 # * Stevie[FP] is away [gone] [KS-MsgLog Off] 23.43.15 Quit edx () 23.47.46 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.49.20 Join tracktheripper [0] (jirc@ACBEA11F.ipt.aol.com) 23.49.31 # Good Evening Rockboxers :-)