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00.12.13 #       * Stevie[FP] drops a pin
00.16.17 #       * Stevie[FP] drops two pins, Vcc and GND
00.16.44 #       * Stevie[FP] disconnects the GND pin and marvels at the wonders of a floating ground
00.24.54 #       * Stevie[FP] is away [gone] [KS-MsgLog Off]
00.31.55 #       <elinenbe|rules> !MyRoms
00.32.03 #       <elinenbe|rules> :)
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01.20.36 #       <BoD[]> Mblelop
01.24.45 #       <Zagor> bed time
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02.08.38 #       <midknight2k3> yeah WOOO
02.15.35 #       <BoD[]> you said it
02.16.23 #       <midknight2k3> hey woooooooo
02.16.27 #       <midknight2k3> fun-ny!
02.16.28 #       <midknight2k3> http://www.rickandrak.com/truckstoptv.wmv
02.16.30 #       <midknight2k3> yeah
02.16.39 #       <midknight2k3> vrooooom skidddd crashhh
02.16.42 #       <BoD[]> :)
02.19.14 #       <midknight2k3> i happen to think it needs more oooomph
02.19.18 #       <midknight2k3> im editing it now
02.23.06 #       <midknight2k3> What are you doing?
02.31.41 #       <BoD[]> who me?
02.31.49 #       <midknight2k3> yes you :)
02.32.19 #       <BoD[]> i'm reading the rockbox mailing list :)
02.32.30 #       <BoD[]> i have 3 days of unread messages
02.32.39 #       <midknight2k3> hah
02.32.49 #       <midknight2k3> when i have htat much my 'account size is critical'
02.34.20 #       <BoD[]> yes but I read it with the gname interface
02.34.35 #       <BoD[]> Gmane I mean
02.34.41 #       <midknight2k3> whatever that is
02.35.00 #       <BoD[]> ;) it's the "newsgroup" interface
02.37.10 #       <midknight2k3> me bored
02.41.05 #       <BoD[]> that's it i've read it all
02.43.41 #       <midknight2k3> you're bored now too ;)
02.48.36 #       <BoD[]> nop i'm going to www.monotonik.com
02.49.58 #       <midknight2k3> glee
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02.55.53 #       <midknight2k3> Hello linus
02.55.58 #       <LinusN> hi
02.57.15 #       <midknight2k3> i think i have battery acid on my finger :))
02.57.26 #       <LinusN> ouch
02.58.32 #       <midknight2k3> im not sure if thats what it is or not
02.58.56 #       <LinusN> better rinse anyway...
02.59.13 #       <midknight2k3> yes
02.59.21 #       <midknight2k3> but i was just laughing at this (http://www.rickandrak.com/truckstoptv.wmv) but i suppose you already read about it
03.00.08 #       <LinusN> huh?
03.00.24 #       <midknight2k3> it's funny you should see it
03.00.48 #       <LinusN> i don't have a wmv player, and i'm on a dialup :-(
03.01.00 #       <midknight2k3> crud
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03.04.36 #       <midknight2k3> Who runs this channel anyways?
03.04.59 #       <LinusN> freenode.net
03.13.52 #       <midknight2k3> I mean who's a 'boss' or whatever like the guys with the + by their names
03.14.00 #       <midknight2k3> admin is what you call it?
03.14.54 #       <LinusN> i think adiamas has some kind of super powers
03.15.12 #       <LinusN> i guess zagor and bagder has too
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03.15.29 #       <LinusN> and me of course
03.15.31 #       <LinusN> :-)
03.15.38 #       <midknight2k3> really heh
03.15.45 #       <midknight2k3> hey!
03.15.51 #       <midknight2k3> so you do have some powers
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03.39.41 #       <jzoss> up late again Linus?  =)
03.41.16 #       <LinusN> yup, working hard
03.41.39 #       <jzoss> sheesh.   Well, I always said "sleep is for the weak"  ;)
03.42.27 #       <jzoss> Sometimes it seems like I can only get real work done when everyone else is gone for the day.
03.42.43 #       <LinusN> same here
03.43.33 #       <jzoss> Quick question (and I'll leave you to your work):
03.44.16 #       <jzoss> I'm reworking my editID3 patch.  It hasn't been touched in a month.  I was thinking of using the mp3buf to cache the ID3 tag in as I'm setting it up, and write it out all at once.
03.44.57 #       <jzoss> It's not a waste,  since writeID3v2 may need to resize_file (which uses the mp3buf).  So I figured it'd be most consistent to mpeg_stop all the time, rather than just when we need to resize_file.
03.45.31 #       <jzoss> You think it's acceptable to limit ID3 tag size to mp3buf size (so I don't have to do repetitive buffer copies.  Cleaner code)?
03.46.14 #       <LinusN> jzoss: check out the VBRFix code
03.46.17 #       <jzoss> Our ID3 tags will, of course, never be that large.  It's just a matter of whether I can use that limit for copying back existing-but-unsupported tags.
03.46.21 #       <jzoss> o-kay
03.46.34 #       <LinusN> so we don't do any double work
03.46.39 #       <jzoss> right
03.46.47 #       <LinusN> i have a resize function there
03.46.52 #       <jzoss> yah
03.46.55 #       <jzoss> I was planning to use that.
03.46.55 #       <LinusN> which uses the mp3 buffer
03.47.21 #       <jzoss> That was my reasoning for thinking it was okay to use the mp3buf for setting-up the id3 tag for writing, as well.
03.47.57 #       <LinusN> still, it would be even nicer to be able to edit the tag without stopping the music
03.48.03 #       <jzoss> I agree.
03.48.15 #       <jzoss> But sometimes, if resize_file was necessary, you'd have to stop the music.
03.48.26 #       <jzoss> I was thinking it would be nicer to be consistent and not confuse the user.
03.48.32 #       <jzoss> But that's what I wanted your opinion on.
03.48.52 #       <jzoss> You vote for keeping the music playing unless we need to resize file?
03.49.10 #       <LinusN> i think so
03.49.17 #       <jzoss> okay.
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03.49.39 #       <LinusN> i mean, you could examine the id3 tag to see if it would need resizing before editing, right?
03.49.42 #       <jzoss> Do we need a prompt, then, if we need to resize and music is playing?  "Need to resize file.  Stop music"
03.49.48 #       <jzoss> Certainly.
03.50.17 #       <LinusN> or we could add a pause-and-flush mechanism to the mp3 thread
03.50.41 #       <LinusN> that's probably the coolest thing
03.50.45 #       <jzoss> Right.
03.50.57 #       <jzoss> But maybe a bit of work if this is the only place it'd be useful
03.51.10 #       <jzoss> Although it might be used during plugin-loading too, I could see....
03.51.29 #       <jzoss> Would allow you to semi-dynamically resize your mp3buf
03.52.01 #       <LinusN> vbrfix could use it too
03.52.11 #       <jzoss> True.
03.53.23 #       <jzoss> I'll proceed then, without stealing the mp3buf.  Prompt if need to resize file.  And we can augment it later if we implement pause-and-flush.
03.53.47 #       <LinusN> good
03.53.57 #       <jzoss> I might even be able to hack a solution that uses the resume feature to stop and auto-resume.
03.53.59 #       <jzoss> Hmmmm.....
03.55.03 #       <jzoss> Thanks for your time!  Hope your work goes well.  =)
03.55.19 #       <LinusN> you will see in about 30 minutes
03.55.27 #       <jzoss> woohoo!
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04.24.35 #       <jzoss> hiya, Stevie
04.24.43 #       <jzoss> I like your menu UI =)
04.25.03 #       <Stevie-O> cool!
04.25.04 #       <Stevie-O> ty :)
04.25.25 #       <jzoss> I just sent off a message to the list with some suggestions
04.25.28 #       <Stevie-O> ok
04.25.32 #       <Stevie-O> it's a HUGE patch
04.26.06 #       <jzoss> You don't just touch menu.c, eh?
04.29.20 #       <Stevie-O> lmao, no
04.29.37 #       <Stevie-O> it touches pretty much everything that displays a menu
04.30.05 #       <Stevie-O> I borrowed some concepts from the device I program at work
04.30.12 #       <Stevie-O> you know how menus are like
04.30.19 #       <Stevie-O> { str(LANG_x), func }
04.30.25 #       <Stevie-O> { str(LANG_y), func2 }
04.30.32 #       <Stevie-O> ?
04.30.42 #       <jzoss> Right.  I caught a bit of your IRC discussion on that earlier, when I skimmed the logs
04.30.50 #       <Stevie-O> ok
04.30.56 #       <Stevie-O> well what I pretty much turned it into was
04.30.57 #       <jzoss> So the patch is not just fancy menus
04.31.05 #       <jzoss> It's fancy menus + better string handling
04.31.07 #       <Stevie-O> ah
04.31.08 #       <Stevie-O> well
04.31.08 #       <Stevie-O> yes
04.31.14 #       <Stevie-O> the fancy menus relies on the better string handling
04.31.21 #       <Stevie-O> see -- it requires preconstructed menus
04.31.41 #       <jzoss> Hmm.  
04.31.44 #       <Stevie-O> the problem with preconstructing the menus using str() is, if you load another language file, those preconstructed menus is invalidated
04.32.04 #       <Stevie-O> well, technically it doesn't require preconstructed menus
04.32.06 #       <jzoss> So you have to augment the language-loading code, then, to rebuild menus too
04.32.14 #       <Stevie-O> no, I didn't do that :)
04.32.22 #       <jzoss> Eventually.  Baby steps.  =)
04.32.24 #       <Stevie-O> I used what I think is a slightly more clever approach
04.32.45 #       <Stevie-O> Our memory is at addresses like 0x09000000 and 0x0f000000
04.33.10 #       <Stevie-O> that pretty much precludes strings at addresses like 1 or 2
04.33.28 #       <Stevie-O> I patched 3 functions
04.33.29 #       <jzoss> Right.  So you munge string addresses with LANG-list-indices
04.33.37 #       <Stevie-O> yeah
04.33.44 #       <Stevie-O> basically casting a LANG_xxx value to a char*
04.34.15 #       <Stevie-O> three functions were patched: menu_draw(), set_int(), and set_option()
04.35.15 #       <jzoss> My suggestion was: it's a bit confusing (to me) when you up/down in the menu and the cursor feels like it "jumps" two lines.
04.35.20 #       <jzoss> It doesn't really...just feels that way.
04.35.24 #       <Stevie-O> yeah
04.35.31 #       <Stevie-O> I've been trying to think of a way to deal with that
04.35.42 #       <jzoss> I wonder what it would look like if instead of placing the settings below the menu element, you reserved a line at top/bottom of display
04.35.50 #       <Stevie-O> Z suggested that I draw stuff on the same line
04.35.52 #       <jzoss> Maybe with a single-pixel-line divider
04.35.55 #       <Stevie-O> I thought about that
04.36.05 #       <Stevie-O> I didn't know if that would be quite as intuitive
04.36.25 #       <jzoss> I was also thinking you could show all (or as many as fit) setting options on the line
04.36.32 #       <Stevie-O> yeah
04.36.32 #       <jzoss> And highlight the one that's selected (invert)
04.36.39 #       <jzoss> For your edit-in-place.
04.36.43 #       <Stevie-O> ohh
04.36.48 #       <jzoss> The highlight might be distinctive enough to set it apart
04.36.49 #       <Stevie-O> like
04.37.01 #       <Stevie-O> well, that brings up a point someone emailed in
04.37.04 #       <Stevie-O> to the list
04.37.06 #       <Stevie-O> which is Player support
04.37.15 #       <jzoss> I don't think it's an issue
04.37.20 #       <Stevie-O> Players don't have inverse
04.37.37 #       <Stevie-O> the current code I wrote should actually work fine on a Player
04.37.48 #       <jzoss> You could demararcate it... like:
04.37.54 #       <jzoss> Repeat
04.38.02 #       <jzoss>   All |One| Off
04.38.07 #       <jzoss> Or similar.
04.38.19 #       <jzoss> Or just show the selected option (like you have it now)
04.38.37 #       <Stevie-O> mmmh
04.38.40 #       <Stevie-O> That would work
04.38.47 #       <Stevie-O> but
04.39.04 #       <Stevie-O> what about setting values that have to wrap on the Recorder/FM?
04.39.30 #       <jzoss> Yah.  You have to scroll.  :(
04.39.41 #       <jzoss> I'm not a big fan of scrolling.
04.39.54 #       <jzoss> You probably want to only show one option if you have to scroll things.
04.40.00 #       <Stevie-O> yeah
04.40.13 #       <Stevie-O> Scrolling is a necessary evil
04.40.26 #       <Stevie-O> if only Archos had picked an LCD display, oh, say, twice as wide
04.40.43 #       <jzoss> heh.  Then the device would be the size of the creative nomad
04.40.43 #       <LinusN> i just committed fm radio support for the FM recorder
04.40.48 #       <jzoss> YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! =D
04.40.50 #       <Stevie-O> cool, Linus
04.40.52 #       <jzoss> CONGRATS!
04.41.09 #       <jzoss> I'd try it out, but first you have to air-mail me your FM recorder
04.41.15 #       <Stevie-O> haha
04.41.26 #       <jzoss> Does it work in the sim?  just kidding
04.41.38 #       <Stevie[FP]> 1920
04.41.59 #       <jzoss> ??
04.48.21 #       <LinusN> finally, i can go to sleep
04.48.24 #       <LinusN> cu
04.48.27 #       <jzoss> Good job
04.48.29 #       <jzoss> Sleep well!
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05.08.37 #       <jzoss> hello, PsycoXul
05.09.12 #       <PsycoXul> hi
05.09.42 #       <jzoss> linus committed FM recording just a bit ago.
05.09.55 #       <jzoss> As in committed to CVS.  Not committed some kind of crime.  =)
05.11.00 #       <jzoss> *FM playing (recording to come later), anyway
05.12.43 #       <PsycoXul> heh
05.12.50 #       <PsycoXul> yeah i saw
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05.22.44 #       <Stevie-O> blah
05.22.56 #       <Stevie[FP]> Only in rockbox-new/apps: Makefile.bak
05.22.57 #       <Stevie[FP]> Only in rockbox-new/apps: credits.raw
05.22.58 #       <Stevie[FP]> diff -u -b -r -x '*.o' -x '*.map' rockbox-daily-20030502/apps/debug_menu.c rockbox-new/apps/debug_menu.c
05.22.59 #       <Stevie[FP]> --- rockbox-daily-20030502/apps/debug_menu.c	2003-04-10 00:00:21.000000000 -0400
05.23.00 #       <Stevie[FP]> +++ rockbox-new/apps/debug_menu.c	2003-05-02 14:04:52.000000000 -0400
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05.24.55 #       <Stevie-O> mkay
05.25.26 #       <Stevie-O> glad I made that diff!
05.25.43 #       <jzoss> heh.
05.27.36 #       <Stevie-O> ok, now that I have the diff
05.27.39 #       <Stevie-O> I need the original src
05.28.14 #       <Stevie-O> ok, wgotten
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05.31.43 #       <Stevie-O> 7% at 5kb/s
05.31.46 #       <Stevie-O> wooo
05.32.11 #       <jzoss> oh, my
05.32.37 #       <PsycoXul> hmm
05.32.46 #       <PsycoXul> do fmrec's charge from usb?
05.32.57 #       <PsycoXul> i just plugged it in without booting it up, and it booted itself up
05.33.00 #       <Stevie-O> yeah
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05.33.16 #       <PsycoXul> so it ran from the rom firmware and i noticed the battery icon was filling up when i went to unplug it
05.33.19 #       <PsycoXul> heh
05.34.43 #       <Stevie-O> 30 mins left on the sdk. yay.
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06.21.00 #       <jzoss> sdk showed up yet?
06.29.07 #       <Stevie-O> yeah, i guess I can install it
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08.20.21 #       <PsycoXul> so i played with the FM
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08.20.23 #       <PsycoXul> seems kinda loud
08.20.27 #       <PsycoXul> and it doesn't stop
08.20.35 #       <PsycoXul> when you quit the FM screen it keeps playing the radio
08.21.01 #       <PsycoXul> i had to reboot it (i'll try ROLO'ing next time) before i could hear anything but the radio
08.21.29 #       <PsycoXul> and i had to turn the volume down to like 75 to listen to it
08.21.35 #       <PsycoXul> and then back up to like 90 to listen to mp3's
08.22.22 #       <PsycoXul> (80-90 is what i usualy listen at)
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08.26.58 #       <Freek> hey hey
08.28.06 #       <Freek> ?
08.28.18 #       <PsycoXul> hi everybody
08.28.23 #       <PsycoXul> !
08.28.29 #       <Freek> hehe hey
08.28.33 #       <PsycoXul> (hello, dr. nick!)
08.29.04 #       <Freek> no ones talking, so i'm leaving
08.29.07 #       <Freek> bye
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15.58.05 #       <LinusN> jzoss: you can record FM radio with rockbox
15.58.13 #       <jzoss> really?  cool.
15.58.19 #       <LinusN> just turn on the radio, and then select Line In as the source
15.58.23 #       <jzoss> I didn't know.  Sorry for spreading "false info".  =)
15.58.29 #       <LinusN> :-)
15.58.32 #       <jzoss> Didn't realize it was a "free" byproduct
15.58.48 #       <LinusN> the FM radio is connected to the Line In
15.59.22 #       <jzoss> So line-in and radio get mixed on top of each other?  I see a "super karaoke mode" in our future.  ;)
15.59.28 #       <LinusN> :-)
16.03.24 #       <Stevie-O> haha
16.03.47 #       <Stevie-O> I had a tar that accepted -j
16.03.49 #       <Stevie-O> where did I put it
16.04.10 #       <jzoss> did you check under the couch cushions?  That's where I always lose stuff...
16.04.33 #       <Stevie-O> lol
16.06.49 #       <Stevie-O> hm
16.06.55 #       <Stevie-O> where do I put the tools dir again?
16.07.06 #       <jzoss> same dir level as apps and firmware
16.20.42 #       <jzoss> LinusN: Since I'm going to share your resize_file w/ id3.c code, I should move it to firmware.  Where?  file.c??  thx.
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16.26.17 #       <TBoy> hoi
16.26.24 #       <jzoss> hola
16.26.36 #       <TBoy> damn finally when the radio is supported I don't have my FM
16.26.43 #       <TBoy> :'-(
16.32.27 #       <LinusN> :-)
16.33.09 #       <TBoy> LinusN you da man
16.33.20 #       * TBoy pats LinusN on the back
16.34.51 #       * LinusN is proud
16.35.01 #       <LinusN> actually, it wasn't that hard
16.35.43 #       <jzoss> LinusN: Since I'm going to share your resize_file w/ id3.c code, I should move it to firmware.  Where?  file.c?? thx.
16.39.01 #       <LinusN> why move it to firmware?
16.39.13 #       <jzoss> I thought firmware code (id3.c) wasn't supposed to call apps code?
16.39.30 #       <LinusN> that is true, but why would it?
16.39.51 #       <TBoy> LinusN: Are you gonna make the freq steps in .01 mhz
16.39.58 #       <TBoy> or 10khz
16.39.58 #       <jzoss> write_id3v2 needs to be able to resize_file (sometimes).  Which is currently in apps/onplay.c
16.40.07 #       <LinusN> aha, that is in onplay.c
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16.40.20 #       <LinusN> TBoy: 50kHz
16.40.27 #       <jzoss> s/resize file/insert_data_in_file
16.40.58 #       <LinusN> jzoss: let me think about that
16.41.04 #       <LinusN> i have to eat now, brb
16.41.06 #       <jzoss> no prob
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16.41.25 #       <TBoy> why
16.41.44 #       <TBoy> well I think that'll be ok
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17.06.30 #       <Nixed> good morning. 
17.06.55 #       <Nixed> Anyone here from rockbox? I have a question about a possible problem/bug.
17.07.09 #       <jzoss> good morning! =)
17.07.17 #       <Nixed> Hi jzoss.
17.07.26 #       <jzoss> so what's up?
17.07.42 #       <Nixed> My Recorder 20... Everytime the battery power gets to 50%, the sound keeps cutting in and out.
17.07.55 #       <Nixed> is this natural?
17.08.12 #       <jzoss> ??  no.  Mine works all the way until it drains the batteries.
17.08.26 #       <Nixed> sugar....
17.08.28 #       <jzoss> Does the harddrive do strange things at low power?
17.08.42 #       <Nixed> Sounds louder at lower power.
17.08.49 #       <jzoss> Have you tried plugging it into the wall when it's acting weird?  Does that solve the problem?
17.08.55 #       <jzoss> Hmmmm....
17.09.11 #       <Nixed> Yes, that solves it, but I get 5/6 hours at most off the batteries.
17.09.16 #       <jzoss> Assuming you haven't replaced the stock batteries, right?
17.09.27 #       <jzoss> 5/6hrs until you hit 50%, right?
17.09.32 #       <Nixed> Then at 50%, the battery start draining a lot more and sound goes in and out.
17.09.34 #       <Nixed> yeah
17.09.44 #       <Nixed> It's still the original batteries.
17.09.59 #       <jzoss> Does the harddrive spin alot more than normal when you're in "weird low-power mode"?
17.10.01 #       <Nixed> I've had it for a month almost
17.10.44 #       <Nixed> jzoss - I'm not sure. I put the drive spindown up to 15 seconds (default 5), and it made it down to 40% before the proble happened, but the batteries seemed to last less.
17.11.15 #       <Nixed> I think for the norm, it does spin a lot when it's in "weird low-power mode"
17.11.24 #       <Nixed> The red light stays on a bit more.
17.11.43 #       <jzoss> Yah.  Sounds like your batteries are draining faster than normal.  And when they dip below some voltage, the harddrive has trouble keeping up.
17.11.48 #       <jzoss> Just guessing, though.
17.11.50 #       <Nixed> Then it'll keep playing the song, but the sound will go in and out.
17.12.22 #       <Nixed> jzoss - How many hours do you get out of yours? 
17.12.23 #       <jzoss> You might try buying some new NiMH batteries and see if that solves the problem.  But I'm just guessing.
17.12.29 #       <Nixed> on battery.
17.12.49 #       <Nixed> I was thinking about doing that. they don't cost too much.
17.12.50 #       <jzoss> I get like 8-10 hrs on stock batteries, depending on how much I "play" with it while it's playing (dir browsing, track skipping, etc)
17.13.44 #       <Nixed> I noticed that powering it on and off takes a lot of juice. 
17.14.14 #       <jzoss> Yah.  Every time you get a drive spinup, you can almost see the battery juice being sucked out.  =)
17.15.05 #       <Nixed> yep. I'm going to try changing the batteries if this continues. Maybe 1 or two are dead. Thanks for the suggestion.
17.15.25 #       <jzoss> no prob.  good luck!
17.15.28 #       <jzoss> :q
17.15.33 #       <jzoss> (whoops)
17.15.42 #       <Nixed> lol
17.16.02 #       <Schnueff> :q is nice :)
17.16.18 #       <jzoss> heh.  wrong window.  =)
17.16.24 #       <Nixed> oh
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17.42.55 #       <Nixed> Is it recommended that you have the battery charger plugged into the Archos when it's docked?
17.43.08 #       <Stevie[FP]> well
17.43.19 #       <Stevie[FP]> for the FM recorder, I'd say yes
17.43.38 #       <jzoss> There are some menu settings (Deep Discharge) that control behavior when it's plugged in for long periods of time
17.44.02 #       <Nixed> k
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18.08.35 #       <midknight2k3> hello whoever is here
18.08.40 #       <LinusN> hola
18.08.53 #       <midknight2k3> is there any discussion going on?
18.09.09 #       <LinusN> no
18.09.24 #       <midknight2k3> i thought if i popped in early something ight be going on
18.09.29 #       <LinusN> hehe
18.09.35 #       <LinusN> it's weekend
18.09.42 #       <LinusN> low acticity
18.09.46 #       <LinusN> activity
18.10.01 #       <midknight2k3> you mean you don't sit at your computers and veg on the weekend?
18.10.19 #       <LinusN> except for the FM radio feature of course
18.10.52 #       <midknight2k3> is that a joke?
18.11.17 #       <LinusN> why would it be? the FM recorder has an FM tuner
18.11.49 #       <midknight2k3> oh wait i get it never mind
18.12.11 #       <Nixed> Quick question. Does using a playlist run down the batteries more?
18.12.20 #       <LinusN> not really
18.12.46 #       <midknight2k3> not with the way it's currently implemented
18.13.22 #       <Nixed> Cool. Just wondering if having to go from one file in one directory to a file in another had the drive spin up more than usual.
18.13.31 #       <midknight2k3> but i assume it would if you had files from different places (ie folders and subfolders)
18.13.33 #       <Nixed> stupid question.
18.13.42 #       <LinusN> the extra power drain when seeking in the playlist file is negligible
18.13.52 #       <Nixed> that's what I though.
18.14.15 #       <Nixed> So a 1000 song playlist will drain more battery.
18.14.37 #       <LinusN> the number of songs is irrelevant
18.14.55 #       <Nixed> yes, but the location is.
18.15.12 #       <MT> not really
18.15.26 #       <LinusN> yes, there are more accesses to the drive if the file is deep down in the dir tree
18.15.26 #       <Nixed> k
18.15.46 #       <LinusN> but the major power drain comes from spinning up the drive
18.15.47 #       <MT> the power consumption used to seek to a particular point on a disk is negligble compared to the power used to read a few megabytes off the disk
18.16.03 #       <MT> or am i way off track
18.16.04 #       <Nixed> understood.
18.16.21 #       <midknight2k3> wait, in the nodo document, #14 you mean you can't do a spectrum analyzer?
18.16.32 #       <LinusN> was it unclear?
18.16.43 #       <LinusN> or is it still unclear?
18.16.45 #       <midknight2k3> i just thought it was pretty possible
18.16.57 #       <LinusN> how?
18.17.21 #       <midknight2k3> if you can do a peak meter and an oscilloscope i thought you must be able to do a spectum analyzer
18.17.29 #       <midknight2k3> but i suppose now
18.17.32 #       <midknight2k3> not
18.17.44 #       <LinusN> the peak meter and the oscilloscope samples the audio at about 1kHz
18.17.55 #       <LinusN> no, 100Hz
18.18.49 #       <midknight2k3> One thing that would be nice is an oscilloscope in the WPS
18.18.58 #       <LinusN> you would need at least 40000Hz for a decent frequency analyzer
18.19.03 #       <midknight2k3> is that possible?
18.19.18 #       <LinusN> could be
18.19.54 #       <LinusN> the problem is not only the sound sampling, but also the screen updates
18.20.04 #       <LinusN> this baby is slow
18.20.14 #       <midknight2k3> The peak meter is not too bad
18.20.24 #       <midknight2k3> though it's a tiny bit off it works great
18.20.30 #       <LinusN> we put quite some work in it
18.21.07 #       <midknight2k3> you did a good job
18.21.18 #       <MT> LinusN: completely OT, but you do know much about cvs repository maintenance?
18.24.54 #       <LinusN> no
18.25.05 #       <Nixed> bye
18.25.15 #       <Nixed> thanks for the help
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18.27.48 #       <midknight2k3> you also did an excellent job on wormlet
18.33.09 #       <LinusN> yeah, that was langhaarrocker
18.40.15 #       <midknight2k3> never could have imagined you could do something like that
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18.48.22 #       <midknight2k3> hi
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19.06.05 #       <midknight2k3> hello
19.07.27 #       <tracktheripper> hey midknight
19.07.29 #       <tracktheripper> :)
19.07.54 #       <midknight2k3> okay tell me now
19.08.04 #       <midknight2k3> why do you always leave right in the middle of something?
19.08.06 #       <tracktheripper> ?
19.08.19 #       <tracktheripper> because I get bored of silence thats why
19.08.32 #       <tracktheripper> usually here a few sentences are said then it goes dead for some reason :-(
19.08.32 #       <midknight2k3> hmm
19.08.53 #       <midknight2k3> heh okay then if you keep talking of course i will
19.09.09 #       <tracktheripper> lol im the only one who seems to talk here :-)
19.09.25 #       <midknight2k3> im here a lot
19.09.32 #       <tracktheripper> im looking forward to get my ADSL connection :-)
19.09.50 #       <midknight2k3> what are you on right now?
19.10.12 #       <tracktheripper> 56k
19.10.16 #       <tracktheripper> ive just ordered ADSL
19.10.19 #       <midknight2k3> eeee
19.10.38 #       <tracktheripper> I was gonna try the cable modem but ive read from a number of sources ADSL is better
19.10.47 #       <midknight2k3> cable is very nice
19.11.15 #       <tracktheripper> the Achille's heel with cable is that you share your bandwidth with everyone else in your area
19.11.28 #       <tracktheripper> if everyone is using Kazaa then it slows to sub-56k speeds
19.11.31 #       <midknight2k3> not a problem i've often notices
19.11.48 #       <tracktheripper> ive used ADSL before and been very happy, 
19.11.56 #       <tracktheripper> so I decided to stick with ADSL
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19.12.37 #       <midknight2k3> speaking of iBooks
19.13.13 #       <tracktheripper> :)
19.13.20 #       <midknight2k3> it's so annoying when people spell that stuff wrong... it's iPod, iBook, iMac not Ipod or Ibook or IMac or IPod
19.13.36 #       <tracktheripper> BT Openworld kicked off 30,000 of its broadband subscribers
19.13.49 #       <midknight2k3> the i is lowecase, next is capital and rest is lowecase
19.14.17 #       <tracktheripper> yea
19.15.09 #       <tracktheripper> midknight you not on NTL by any chance? they only let u download 1GB of data per day
19.15.31 #       <midknight2k3> no way
19.15.39 #       <tracktheripper> cool
19.15.57 #       <tracktheripper> that rather negates the point of broadband, that 1Gb limit
19.16.33 #       <midknight2k3> yes
19.16.35 #       <midknight2k3> it does
19.17.18 #       <tracktheripper> :)
19.17.26 #       <Hes> cable performance varies a lot, depending on the size of the segments and user profile / channel usage
19.17.45 #       <midknight2k3> but overall it's good
19.17.47 #       <Hes> how much bandwidth is allocated per user, and if user traffic is throttled somehow.
19.17.50 #       <tracktheripper> yea Hes, thats due to the bandwith being shared in an entire neighbourhood
19.18.11 #       <tracktheripper> with ADSL the connection is yours, its not shared
19.18.12 #       <Hes> Some operators / hardware get it right, some don't.
19.18.47 #       <Hes> I actually worked for an ISP, did technical implementations of DSL and cable access networks. Configured the actual routers providing the access.
19.18.57 #       <Hes> pretty interesting stuff.
19.19.19 #       <tracktheripper> :)
19.19.21 #       <tracktheripper> (:
19.19.31 #       <tracktheripper> I wouldn't mind a 64Mb leased line
19.19.45 #       <midknight2k3> This is a ROCKBOX channel.
19.19.54 #       <midknight2k3> Not a 'discuss your new isp' channel.
19.20.00 #       <Hes> Slightly offtopic, yeah.
19.20.11 #       <Hes> better than nothing, huh? 8-)
19.20.15 #       <midknight2k3> glee!
19.20.59 #       * Hes is still dreaming of the CF card interface to the recorder
19.21.02 #       <tracktheripper> it makes a change from those whinging about inverted video lines or ID3 tags :-)
19.21.24 #       <midknight2k3> i'll be back in a little bit don't leave!
19.21.24 #       <tracktheripper> <--- is dreaming about putting a 500Gb tape drive in his Archos
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19.22.00 #       <Hes> Heh. I'm going for a few week's bike trip in the central europe next month and it would be useful if I could copy the photos to the recorder
19.22.22 #       <tracktheripper> Hes you cannot directly copy photos to the Archos without a PC
19.22.39 #       <Hes> No, not on the USB
19.22.52 #       <Hes> but you could have two hard disk-like devices on the IDE/ATA bus.
19.22.55 #       <Hes> Like a CF.
19.23.01 #       <Hes> And rockbox could copy files between the two.
19.23.31 #       <Hes> there was a little discussion about this here a couple days ago.
19.23.51 #       <Hes> Would involve a little tricky hardware modification.
19.24.35 #       <tracktheripper> lol Hes
19.25.01 #       <tracktheripper> and could u modify it to put a 500Gb tape drive in it? (loadsa music!) :-)
19.25.39 #       <Hes> Yes, but that would be more tricky. 8-)
19.25.52 #       <tracktheripper> would be cool :-)
19.25.59 #       <tracktheripper> 500Gb worth of MP3s and data :-)
19.27.07 #       <Hes> Any modification is possible, but the level of trickiness varies 8-)
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19.27.30 #       <tracktheripper> I wonder what made the Archos so "hackable" compared to other MP3 players
19.28.09 #       <LinusN> they chose a very clever way of updating the firmware
19.28.15 #       <tracktheripper> yea
19.28.36 #       <LinusN> and their product attracted geeks
19.28.52 #       <tracktheripper> lol
19.28.55 #       <tracktheripper> like yourself?
19.28.55 #       <tracktheripper> :)
19.29.05 #       <LinusN> i chose the archos because of their no-bullshit approach
19.29.24 #       <LinusN> no silly custom programs for doanloading the music
19.29.26 #       <tracktheripper> but that would upset the record companies being non-SDMI compliant
19.29.39 #       <LinusN> and it allows for general data storage
19.29.51 #       <tracktheripper> Creative Playcenter rules the roost for MP3 and data! (not!)
19.30.55 #       <tracktheripper> ive had a Creative Labs Nomad once
19.30.59 #       <tracktheripper> never again
19.32.01 #       <Hes> Hi Linus. Great work on the FM tuner.
19.32.25 #       <tracktheripper> Hes, there is no "Fixed" in Feature Requests or Bugs for the FM tuner 
19.32.30 #       <tracktheripper> lol
19.34.06 #       <LinusN> Hes: thanks
19.35.08 #       <tracktheripper> Hes, does rockbox improve on the FM sound quality?
19.35.26 #       <LinusN> i doubt it very much
19.35.49 #       * Hes has nothing to do with the FM. I don't even have one 8-)
19.35.53 #       <tracktheripper> well i know rockbox impreves on the MP3 quality
19.36.50 #       <tracktheripper> the FM circuit is prob an afterthought
19.37.07 #       <LinusN> we should all thank Matthew P O'Reilly for the FM recorder support
19.37.17 #       <Stevie-O> who?
19.37.48 #       <LinusN> He gave me an FM Recorder for my birthday, so I could work on it
19.37.59 #       <Hes> That's a very valuable gift.
19.38.03 #       <LinusN> indeed
19.38.08 #       <Hes> From someone you don't actually know.
19.38.09 #       <Stevie-O> oh! cool
19.38.13 #       <LinusN> he is a true rockbox hero
19.38.25 #       <Stevie-O> I got my FM for my birthday from my Dad
19.38.25 #       <LinusN> i have never met him
19.38.32 #       <Stevie-O> niiice guy
19.38.36 #       <Stevie-O> they're not cheap
19.38.54 #       <Stevie-O> not in the least
19.38.59 #       <tracktheripper> The Achille's heel with the FM recorder is the fishy batteries 
19.39.16 #       <LinusN> Stevie-O: i had it for 2 hours before i took it apart :-)
19.39.22 #       <Stevie-O> LinusN: haha
19.39.25 #       <Stevie-O> the batteries aren't so much 'fishy' as significantly different
19.40.01 #       <tracktheripper> yes but they are non-standard proprietory jobs and the charging is done by hardware, not software :-(#
19.40.14 #       <Stevie-O> the charging properties of Li-ions are somewhat opposite that of NiCd and NiMH
19.40.23 #       <tracktheripper> :-?
19.40.34 #       <Stevie-O> while nicads and nimh's need to be discharged before recharging
19.40.38 #       <Stevie-O> the 'memory effect'
19.40.42 #       <Hes> if the hardware charger actually works, we don't mind that being in hardware...
19.40.46 #       <tracktheripper> ok Linus, how does the FM recorder "feel" in the hand compared to the normal Recorder
19.40.51 #       <Stevie-O> Li-ion batteries prefer being "topped off"
19.41.02 #       <Hes> easier for us, no need to work on getting that done the Right Way.
19.41.03 #       <LinusN> tracktheripper: it's much nicer, imho
19.41.08 #       <Stevie-O> that's why the FM recorder sucks power from every source it can, anytime it can
19.41.17 #       <Stevie-O> AC adapter
19.41.19 #       <Stevie-O> USB
19.41.20 #       <tracktheripper> but I feel the normal Recorder looks nicer
19.41.34 #       <LinusN> i think the fm looks better
19.41.51 #       <LinusN> but ithas technical issues i can't stand
19.42.02 #       <tracktheripper> but at least the normal Rec looks like an MP3 player
19.42.05 #       <LinusN> no digital out and no remote
19.42.24 #       <Stevie-O> I was wondering what the 'remote' you guys referred to was
19.42.49 #       <tracktheripper> the FM rec looks like a melted Ipod
19.43.29 #       <Stevie-O> my dad has a Player
19.43.33 #       <Stevie-O> man
19.43.37 #       <Stevie-O> character-cell based crap SUCKS
19.43.39 #       <tracktheripper> YUCK!
19.43.40 #       <Stevie-O> oh, Linus!
19.43.51 #       <Stevie-O> (keep in mind, he got it a few years ago for his bd)
19.44.01 #       <Stevie-O> linus, did you check out my menutest build?
19.44.23 #       <tracktheripper> Linus why don't you remove the Player rockbox altogether?
19.44.26 #       <tracktheripper> :D
19.44.30 #       <Stevie-O> lol
19.44.37 #       <Stevie-O> we can't leave those poor souls behind
19.44.54 #       <Stevie-O> they'd wither and die on the original Archos firmware
19.45.09 #       <tracktheripper> heehee
19.45.19 #       <Stevie-O> ripper
19.45.27 #       <Stevie-O> last friday I was given an FM for my bday
19.45.31 #       <tracktheripper> and why oh why did they put a Line In on the Player when its just for show?!??!
19.45.39 #       <Stevie-O> last saturday I had already crashed it once
19.45.54 #       <Stevie-O> with a long filename and a very full id3 tag
19.46.10 #       <tracktheripper> did rockbox rectify that?
19.46.28 #       <Stevie-O> hell yeah
19.46.33 #       <Stevie-O> its id3 handling is so much better
19.46.34 #       <tracktheripper> :-)
19.46.36 #       <tracktheripper> :D
19.46.46 #       <Stevie-O> I only had the thing 1 day and I saw severe display corruption
19.46.55 #       <tracktheripper> perhaps Bjorn and co should now work for Archos........
19.47.15 #       <Stevie-O> the original Archos firmware supported a max of 999 files+dirs in one shot
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19.47.27 #       <Stevie-O> come back soon Linus!
19.47.46 #       <Stevie-O> I wonder if it didn't also make sure it limited the number of bytes
19.47.49 #       <Stevie-O> and that's why it crashed
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20.07.15 #       <kremlar> heya
20.08.16 #       <kremlar> since rockbox isn't doing archos multimedia firmware, are there any known groups that are?
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20.47.48 #       <SeanL994> hello
20.48.37 #       <SeanL994> i bought a 20gb archos PLAYER from ebay the otherday( i dont have it yet) and i was wondering what i should know about the rockbox?  it seems like it was 'made' for the 20gb Recorder model.. but how is it on the player?
20.50.14 #       <tracktheripper> whilst its an improvement over the Archos firmware, it won't have as many features as the Recorder rockbox
20.50.59 #       <SeanL994> so is it worth it?
20.51.37 #       <SeanL994> so.. i cant play doom or tetris?(just wondering)
20.52.28 #       <tracktheripper> No games
20.52.38 #       <SeanL994> heh bummer
20.53.10 #       <tracktheripper> what do you expect with only 22 character cells?
20.53.12 #       <SeanL994> i have seen MANY pictures of the actuall screen of the recorder version of the archos.. and i have seen pics of the studio one.. they are sooo different
20.53.28 #       <tracktheripper> yea, the Recorder has a full dot-matrix screen
20.53.33 #       <SeanL994> damn..
20.53.33 #       <tracktheripper> not limited to 22 character cells
20.53.37 #       <SeanL994> i got srewed..
20.53.38 #       <SeanL994> lol
20.53.47 #       <tracktheripper> you should refund your Player and get a Recorder immediatly
20.53.59 #       <SeanL994> i payed $175 do you think that i got ripped off?
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20.54.27 #       <tracktheripper> yea since the Recorder is only slightly more
20.54.38 #       <DJcairo> whats up
20.54.43 #       <SeanL994> well. that sucks.. i'm ma
20.54.45 #       <SeanL994> (mad)
20.55.16 #       <SeanL994> but.. is the sound quality? User interface all the same?besides the 22 character limit?
20.55.21 #       <DJcairo> anybody know of a way to just import my entire library from musicmatch over into the archos fm recorder?
20.55.32 #       <DJcairo> finding all the tracks that are scattered around my computer is a pain
20.55.40 #       <DJcairo> but they are all tagged in the library
20.55.49 #       <tracktheripper> Sould quality and build quality isn't as good, and the interface is very hard to use on the player
20.56.06 #       <SeanL994> press Windows key+F   search for *.mp3
20.56.14 #       <tracktheripper> you shot yourself in the foot buying a Player
20.56.20 #       <SeanL994> oh.. ok ripper.. i hope i can return tthis thing
20.56.39 #       <DJcairo> isa there anyway for the archos to detect whioch new tracks have been added to your windows system?
20.56.40 #       <tracktheripper> well sorry to be blunt, but there you go
20.56.43 #       <DJcairo> like the ipod will do?
20.56.51 #       <tracktheripper> No DJ
20.56.59 #       <tracktheripper> you have to manually export the tracks yourself
20.57.19 #       <DJcairo> too bad
20.57.30 #       <tracktheripper> this is because the Archos just functions like a plain hard drive when hooked up to ur PC
20.57.42 #       <DJcairo> i mean i know i saved some money buying it but the amount of time I'm spending organizing my music is insane
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20.57.43 #       <SeanL994> ok.. i understand your hatred for the player version.. but what if this is just going to be mainly in my car? with random on.. basicly does it matter?
20.58.22 #       <tracktheripper> Sean, I do not "hate the player", im just saying its a more primative unit than the Recorder, If you want it for car use it should be fine
20.58.28 #       <SeanL994> (i didnt want to spend over $200 on a mp3 player period.. thats why i went with the player version
20.58.31 #       <DJcairo> anything cool in teh new rockbox builds?
20.58.51 #       <tracktheripper> DJ Check out Feature Requests and the docs page for details
20.58.55 #       <DJcairo> i have 2.0 inctalled
20.58.56 #       <SeanL994> ok ripper sounds fine to me then lol.. i'm used to 'not having the best of the best'
20.58.56 #       <DJcairo> ok
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20.59.30 #       <tracktheripper> hey Jzoss
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20.59.37 #       <jzoss> 14howdy =)
20.59.57 #       <tracktheripper> ;D
21.00.10 #       <SeanL994> where can i get detailed pics of the user interface of the player?
21.00.21 #       <jzoss> 14The manual?
21.00.35 #       <SeanL994> (dont have it ye)
21.01.06 #       <tracktheripper> well Sean have you seen a pic of the Player's LCD?
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21.01.17 #       <jzoss> 14nono...I wasn't being glib.  Rockbox has a manual.
21.01.22 #       <SeanL994> just 1 or maybe 2
21.01.35 #       <tracktheripper> Jzoss can you change your color, i can't read it
21.02.12 #       <SeanL994> i couldnt really tell.. i wanna see what the browsing feature.. like ok... i have 198 albums (17 gigs) is it gonna suck finding an album i want?
21.02.31 #       <tracktheripper> well its gonna be hard with just 22 character cells
21.02.40 #       <SeanL994> does it scroll at least?
21.02.47 #       <tracktheripper> plus you use LEFT and RIGHT to move UP and DOWN in the menus
21.03.37 #       <tracktheripper> yea Sean ID3 tags do scroll
21.03.40 #       <tracktheripper> and filenames
21.03.43 #       <SeanL994> TELL me there is a RANDOM feature on this thing! ..lol thats why i got it "200 disc changer in the car"
21.03.54 #       <SeanL994> yea. i figured that
21.04.19 #       <tracktheripper> Sean there is a Shuffle mode, but it only works in a playlist or in the folder that you are "in" when Shuffle is activated
21.04.33 #       <tracktheripper> Shuffle will not shuffle across all folders unless you make up a huge playlist
21.04.46 #       <SeanL994> oh.. so i could just make a playlist of all the albums?thats easy enough
21.04.50 #       <jzoss> rockbox manual covers alot of these UI issues... http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/manual.pdf
21.05.13 #       <SeanL994> that site doesnt work :(
21.05.17 #       <jzoss> (with screenshots! =)
21.05.48 #       <jzoss> whoops. bad URL.  Try this: http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/manual.pdf
21.05.50 #       <SeanL994> that site doesnt work
21.05.52 #       <SeanL994> ok
21.06.02 #       <SeanL994> nope
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21.06.20 #       <jzoss> arrr.  I mean http://rockbox.haxx.se/manual/manual.pdf
21.06.26 #       <tracktheripper> Sean the Recorder has a very useful "Screen Invert" mode
21.06.29 #       <jzoss> Stupid copy/paste.... ARrrr...
21.06.52 #       <SeanL994> i might sell this on ebay.. and buy the recorder version from circuit city, my friend works there. he gets stuff at 'cost' what would you guess it will be?
21.07.26 #       <SeanL994> oh yea.. that pdf makes me depressed lol... looking at the 'file browser for the player model and the recorder modle
21.07.37 #       <tracktheripper> awwwwwwwww
21.07.38 #       <tracktheripper> :(
21.07.39 #       <jzoss> yah.  Seeing is believing
21.07.45 #       <tracktheripper> heehee
21.08.12 #       <SeanL994> i mean.. damnit.. my TDK MoJo has a better screen then that player model
21.08.20 #       <tracktheripper> lol
21.08.42 #       <tracktheripper> Sean the Recorder's screen colours can be reversed
21.08.47 #       <tracktheripper> white text on black background
21.09.23 #       <SeanL994> oh! badass
21.09.24 #       <SeanL994> lol
21.09.39 #       <tracktheripper> looks great at night with the backlight oin
21.10.28 #       <SeanL994> well it'll be velcro'd to my dash.. or hiding under my seat in the car.. so either way heh i wont be looking at it i'll be looking at the road ;)
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21.16.40 #       <SeanL994> OH..great ripper left.. i have one more question.. i hope somone else can answer!
21.17.13 #       <SeanL994> does the 20gb Player model have usb 2.0? i read reviews.. people say that it DOES.. but on the site it says 1.1  whats the deal?please
21.17.34 #       <SeanL994> and.. if it is 1.1 how long is it gonna take to transfew 17 gigs of mp3s?
21.19.45 #       <jzoss> I dunno about player models... recorder20 definitely is USB2.0
21.20.02 #       <SeanL994> shoot.. i'm gonna be so pissed if its not 2.0
21.20.15 #       <jzoss> USB1.1 will take A WHILE to transfer that much data.
21.20.28 #       <SeanL994> like 20 hours or so
21.20.41 #       <jzoss> I did my first transfer (only a few gigs), and it took well over an hour, if I remember right.
21.20.48 #       <jzoss> I forget the exact transfer rates.
21.20.59 #       <SeanL994> for the recorder?or player?
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21.21.38 #       <jzoss> recorder, but over USB1.1.  Transfer rate is same for either device over USB1.1
21.22.04 #       <SeanL994> right
21.22.37 #       <jzoss> On the flip side, my recorder (a rec15) was originally USB1, but the one I bought had a sticker slapped on the box that said USB2.0!
21.22.46 #       <jzoss> And indeed, they'd upgraded the chip inside to usb2.
21.22.51 #       <SeanL994> yea .. i'm gonnna go with plan B.. sell it on ebay and buy at CC with discount
21.22.51 #       <jzoss> I bought that a few months ago.
21.22.56 #       <jzoss> So maybe you'll luck out.
21.23.06 #       <SeanL994> oh ok
21.23.10 #       <jzoss> I think the recorder is a much nicer unit, though, if you can swing the extra cash.
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21.24.04 #       <SeanL994> i have a feeling i can get it from CC for about the same price as i paid
21.24.34 #       <SeanL994> my parents alredy think i'm an ass (yes i'm just 17) for buying a mp3 player for (almost) 200 bucks
21.25.11 #       <jzoss> yah.  My rec15 was $180
21.25.33 #       <SeanL994> from where?
21.25.42 #       <SeanL994> eh 15 gigs wouldnt be enough for me :(
21.26.17 #       <SeanL994> thats only like 18-19 mp3 cd's
21.27.01 #       <jzoss> circuit city
21.27.16 #       <jzoss> You realize you don't *have* to store all your music on the unit, right?
21.27.20 #       <SeanL994> oh.. cc doesnt sell the 15 gig (that i know of)
21.27.27 #       <SeanL994> but i want to
21.27.36 #       <jzoss> You can't keep track of 20Gigs of music at one time.  Sheesh!
21.27.50 #       <SeanL994> 200 disc changer in my ca
21.27.51 #       <SeanL994> car
21.28.07 #       <jzoss> heh.  Well this'll be a little bit more portable than that
21.28.24 #       <SeanL994> no i mean. i'll have 200 disc's on the archos
21.28.38 #       <SeanL994> i have all full albums on my comp about 200 of them only 17 gigs
21.29.48 #       <SeanL994> thus giving me a 200 disc changer in the car :)
21.29.51 #       <jzoss> ahhh.
21.29.56 #       <jzoss> gotchya
21.30.33 #       <SeanL994> ok then. catch ya later.
21.30.38 #       <SeanL994> i might check back here when i get the unit
21.31.05 #       <jzoss> good luck!
21.31.19 #       <SeanL994> at least tell me i made the right choice by getting the 'player version' over the RIO RIOT?
21.38.35 #       <jzoss> I like the archos units, player or recorder over other options.  
21.38.49 #       <jzoss> std USB-harddrive interface is a plus, and rockbox is a bigger plus
21.39.17 #       <SeanL994> oh yea.. i forgot.. but.. should i use rockbox with the player? or just stick with the original?
21.39.33 #       <SeanL994> i know when i get the recorder one i will definitly use rockbox
21.39.50 #       <jzoss> It wouldn't hurt to try it.
21.40.02 #       <jzoss> You can always revert back to the original firmware.  It's trivial
21.40.22 #       <SeanL994> ok sounds good. i'm off to CC now i gotta see what kind of discount i can get
21.40.23 #       <SeanL994> peace
21.40.27 #       <jzoss> cya
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