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00.01.34 #       <LinusN> same person: London_Blade [0] (jirc@ACBBFD88.ipt.aol.com)
00.01.41 #       <LinusN> hi Zagor
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00.04.36 #       <BoD[]> tracktheripper is playing tricks
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00.04.59 #       <tracktheripper> IM BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
00.05.44 #       <BoD[]> arf
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00.15.57 #       <alexandre> I opened a patch : 732369
00.23.49 #       <LinusN> maybe a keyhandler is a too complicated solution
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00.25.59 #       <Stevie-O> hola
00.26.02 #       <LinusN> yo
00.26.04 #       <Stevie-O> Linus!
00.26.19 #       <Stevie-O> I saw your email mentioning that you were planning to clean up the menus
00.26.27 #       <LinusN> yeah
00.26.37 #       <Stevie-O> have you seen my menutest2 build?
00.26.56 #       <LinusN> nope, i haven't tried it yet
00.27.06 #       <Stevie-O> give it a shot, I'd really like to know what you think
00.28.06 #       <Stevie-O> http://www.qrpff.net/~stevie/rockbox/menutest2-fm.ajz
00.30.10 Nick    _seb_ is now known as seb-away (Sean@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net)
00.30.11 #       <tracktheripper> the FM recorder seems to get all the eattention  now
00.30.12 #       <tracktheripper> :-(
00.30.21 #       <Stevie-O> what?
00.30.27 #       <Stevie-O> I have an FM
00.30.36 #       <Stevie-O> http://www.qrpff.net/~stevie/rockbox/menutest2-rec.ajz
00.30.44 #       <Stevie-O> if you wanna check it out for Recorder, it's there too
00.30.50 #       <Stevie-O> and due to someone's request on the mailing list
00.30.54 #       <Stevie-O> I even built a player version
00.31.34 #       <tracktheripper> well, i have a version of Rockbox that even includes on-the-fly ID3 tag entering
00.32.37 #       <Stevie-O> you don't need to use it as a permanent replacement
00.32.52 #       <Stevie-O> (which is why it's not called ajbrec.ajz)
00.32.56 #       <Stevie-O> just rolo it
00.33.00 #       <tracktheripper> i know, i keep it alonside the latest bleeding edge and i boot into it when required
00.33.57 #       <Stevie-O> oh
00.34.01 #       <tracktheripper> I know people say "Edit ID3 tags with a PC" (take a bow LinusN) but I download MP3s directly to the Archos and editing the tags on the Archos is less hassle than using a PC
00.34.15 #       <Stevie-O> I use The Godfather
00.34.18 #       <Stevie-O> to do id3s
00.34.37 #       <tracktheripper> MusicMatch is good for ID3 tags as well
00.35.00 #       <Stevie-O> does it have automatic get-id3-tag-from-filename?
00.35.08 #       <tracktheripper> yes
00.35.09 #       <Stevie-O> and automatic rename-file-based-on-id3?
00.35.11 #       <LinusN> Stevie-O: i think all the ...'s are cluttering up the menu
00.35.14 #       <tracktheripper> yes
00.35.23 #       <Stevie-O> LinusN: yeah, I need an ellipsis char
00.35.33 #       <LinusN> why do you need it at all?
00.35.34 #       <Stevie-O> but that wasn't the big change
00.35.37 #       <LinusN> i know
00.35.39 #       <Stevie-O> go into the Sound menu
00.35.43 #       <LinusN> i did
00.35.51 #       <Stevie-O> and hows it look?
00.36.03 #       <LinusN> perhaps a bit confusing at first
00.36.20 #       <LinusN> but i'd like to change the setting "on the fly"
00.36.25 #       <Stevie-O> in the menu there?
00.36.37 #       <LinusN> yes
00.36.39 #       <Stevie-O> that was on the 'to-do if it's popular' list
00.36.47 #       <Stevie-O> the diff is huge
00.37.03 #       <Stevie-O> because it runs on top of another change
00.37.22 #       <Stevie-O> which allows the values to be stored in preconstructed tables
00.37.29 #       <Stevie-O> while still supporting language changes
00.37.42 #       <Stevie-O> (which of course is a definite requirement)
00.38.01 #       <LinusN> i'd like a slider option as well
00.38.03 #       <Stevie-O> http://www.qrpff.net/~stevie/rockbox/rockbox-daily-20030502-to-menutest2.diff
00.38.05 #       <Stevie-O> a slider option?
00.38.14 #       <LinusN> sliders instead of numbers
00.38.19 #       <LinusN> or both
00.38.19 #       <tracktheripper> yea Linnus a slider would be cool :-)
00.38.27 #       <Stevie-O> If you can think it up
00.38.30 #       <tracktheripper> Linus just nick the sliders out of the archos firmware
00.38.30 #       <Stevie-O> I can almost certainly code it
00.39.25 #       <tracktheripper> Zagor doesn't like the slliders though
00.39.32 #       <LinusN> he does
00.39.38 #       <Stevie-O> but
00.39.40 #       <tracktheripper> ohh
00.39.40 #       <Stevie-O> what about Players?
00.39.51 #       <LinusN> it's just that he doesn't like the archos sliders
00.40.11 #       <tracktheripper> ohh
00.40.15 #       <Stevie-O> what are the Archos sliders?
00.40.41 #       <LinusN> the sound settings in the original firmware
00.40.47 #       <Stevie-O> hm
00.40.51 #       <Stevie-O> i have the original firmware around here somewhere
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00.41.56 #       <Stevie-O> mh
00.42.07 #       <Stevie-O> they don't display any numeric values
00.42.11 #       <LinusN> nope
00.42.14 #       <Stevie-O> do you have a picture
00.42.20 #       <Stevie-O> or can you draw a picture
00.42.25 #       <Stevie-O> of what you'd like the sliders to look like?
00.42.30 #       <Stevie-O> and did you take a look at that diff?
00.45.14 #       <Stevie-O> brb, food
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00.46.40 #       <LinusN> woo, that diff is HUGE
00.50.41 #       <LinusN> you like #define a lot, don't you?
00.51.24 Nick    seb-away is now known as _seb_ (Sean@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net)
00.56.49 #       <BoD[]> i hate #define :)
00.56.58 #       <LinusN> and typedef
00.57.39 #       <BoD[]> well
00.57.45 #       <BoD[]> they're ok
00.58.26 Nick    Stevie-fOod is now known as Stevie-O (whatsit2u@user-2inin8n.dialup.mindspring.com)
00.58.34 #       <Stevie-O> it's not so much that I like #define
00.58.41 #       <Stevie-O> as it is that I hate typing redundant things
00.58.58 #       <Stevie-O> so if I can find a formulaic way of doing something
00.59.01 #       <Stevie-O> I'll do it
00.59.28 #       <LinusN> using macros often makes the code harder to read imho
00.59.43 #       <BoD[]> i agree!
00.59.45 #       <Stevie-O> well
00.59.46 #       <LinusN> often, not always
01.00.02 #       <BoD[]> ioccc.org can prove this ;)
01.00.11 #       <LinusN> hehe
01.00.17 #       <Stevie-O> it depends on how well they're used
01.00.17 #       <Stevie-O> if done right, they take complicated formulas and condense them into an easy-to-read thing
01.00.49 #       <LinusN> but may hide important details in the process
01.05.10 #       <LinusN> anyway, i'm not sure i like the LANG_ID/char* trick
01.05.20 #       <LinusN> it works, but feels kind of messy
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01.27.25 #       <alexandre> bye
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01.27.41 #       <LinusN> bye
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02.07.33 #       <frzd> hi
02.07.38 #       <LinusN> hi
02.07.51 #       <frzd> I just bought a JukeBox Studio 20, and i played aroudn with the old firmware
02.07.57 #       <frzd> now i tried the new rockbox firmware...
02.08.29 #       <frzd> and i notice during on the course of a 5 minute song, the unit will begin to vibrate and flash the red light ever minute or so
02.08.51 #       <frzd> on the old unit i felt the vibrating (i assume spinning up) once and the beginning, and once near the end
02.09.05 #       <frzd> and the red light didn't flash
02.09.19 #       <frzd> i don't know if this is a bug, or an intended feature, i'm just kind of curious as to what it means
02.09.24 #       <frzd> any ideas?
02.09.47 #       <LinusN> the red light means "disk access", much like the hard disk light on your PC
02.10.01 #       <frzd> weird, the old firmware didn't do that
02.10.14 #       <LinusN> why is that weird?
02.10.26 #       <frzd> the old firmware didn't do it, that's all
02.10.28 #       <LinusN> they don't blink the LED but we do
02.10.36 #       <frzd> ok, makes sense
02.10.51 #       <frzd> so is there a reason why the old firmware spins up the disk less often?
02.11.21 #       <LinusN> it's usually the opposite
02.11.30 #       <frzd> really? that's weird
02.11.54 #       <LinusN> what bit rate?
02.12.05 #       <frzd> ummm
02.12.32 #       <frzd> 192kbps 44.1khz
02.12.44 #       <LinusN> then you are mistaken
02.13.17 #       <frzd> weird...
02.13.19 #       <LinusN> 192kbit/s is roughly 1.5megs/minute
02.13.31 #       <LinusN> how long is the file?
02.13.34 #       <LinusN> in bytes
02.13.37 #       <frzd> because the song is actually 3:51, the old firmware said it was 5 minutes
02.13.41 #       <frzd> in bytes... it's..
02.13.50 #       <frzd> 5.31mb
02.14.13 #       <LinusN> the total RAM size is 2Mbytes
02.14.31 #       <frzd> so reading the disk once every minute or so makes sense
02.14.49 #       <LinusN> yes, and the archos firmware is no different
02.14.56 #       <frzd> could it be that the default firmware keeps the disk spinning for longer
02.14.57 #       <frzd> ?
02.15.11 #       <LinusN> yes, but not for a minute
02.15.33 #       <frzd> that's weird.. i'll test it again with the default firmware
02.15.42 #       <LinusN> do so
02.17.54 #       <frzd> i'm assuming that you know what you're doing, and that spinning up down every minute or so isn't bad for the disc, or a waste of batteries, right?
02.18.14 #       <frzd> because you were right, i was mistaken
02.18.24 #       <LinusN> on the contrary, keeping the disk spinning is a battery killer
02.18.45 #       <frzd> really? i always thought spinning the disc off and on was bad as well
02.18.57 #       <frzd> you catch me mistaken yet again :)
02.19.16 #       <LinusN> laptop disks are designed for it
02.19.23 #       <frzd> oh ok
02.19.31 #       <frzd> thanks for your help
02.19.36 #       <LinusN> you're welcome
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04.03.56 #       <Jet8810> hmm
04.04.02 #       <Jet8810> what are those really high quality heapdohnes again?
04.04.08 #       <Jet8810> bonnheisner or something?
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04.10.03 #       <Norrin> Quick question, how do you access the FM radio menu on the new Rockbox firmware?
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04.18.48 #       <Norrin> Looked through the last three days worth of IRC chat, not mention of how to get to the FM radio.
04.22.29 #       <Stevie-O> you'd probably need Linus's build I assume
04.22.47 #       <Stevie-O> and if you have that -- well, Record mode is off of the main menu on F1
04.24.23 #       <Norrin> I have the latest daily build.  Don't see an option for FM Radio anywhere.
04.24.57 #       <Stevie-O> It might not be in there
04.25.16 #       <Stevie-O> I don't know if it's been committed to the official cvs repository
04.25.55 #       <Norrin> The notes for the "tarballs" says it has since build 0503
04.26.03 #       <Stevie-O> I just committed my first attempt at an FM radio screen on the FM
04.26.03 #       <Stevie-O> recorder. It is just a proof of concept with no bells and whistles, and
04.26.03 #       <Stevie-O> no localization.
04.26.06 #       <Stevie-O> hm
04.26.12 #       <Stevie-O> You can select "FM Radio" from the main menu.
04.26.12 #       <Stevie-O> Keys:
04.26.14 #       <Stevie-O> thats from the email
04.27.05 #       <Norrin> FM Radio isn't on the main menu if the main menu is what you get when you push F1.
04.27.14 #       <Stevie-O> well
04.27.17 #       <Norrin> Using 030504 build.
04.27.45 #       <Stevie-O> I'm assuming that you're sane enough to be using an FM Recorder...
04.27.56 #       <Norrin> Greatly appreciate your help, just excited about having FM radio back.
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04.28.03 #       <Norrin> Yep, the new and improved.
04.28.07 #       <Stevie-O> mkay
04.28.15 #       * Stevie-O ignores the fact that 'new' and 'improved' are mutually exclusive ;)
04.28.29 #       <Stevie-O> gotta love marketing
04.28.58 #       <Stevie-O> but, I don't know how to get it to work
04.29.16 #       <Stevie-O> I take it you don't subscribe to the mailing list?
04.29.38 #       <Norrin> I do but I have never received anything.
04.29.58 #       <Stevie-O> weird.
04.30.18 #       <Stevie-O> http://www.qrpff.net/~stevie/rockbox/menutest2-fm.ajz
04.30.25 #       <Stevie-O> I was fiddling with menu code
04.30.31 #       <Stevie-O> check out the Sound menu
04.32.09 #       <Stevie-O> WOO 5.29k/s
04.32.35 #       <Norrin> I'm looking throught the mailing list to hopefully find a clue.
04.33.05 #       <Norrin> CVS notes says patches were applied but FM Radio not on F1 menu.
04.33.09 #       <Norrin> Still looking.
04.33.39 #       <Stevie-O> double-check what the Version option says?
04.34.10 #       <Norrin> CVS 030504
04.34.57 #       <Stevie-O> weird.
04.35.26 #       <Norrin> Just downloaded the bleeding edge one, it's there.
04.35.53 #       <Stevie-O> but it wasn't in 030504?
04.36.21 #       <Norrin> Nope.
04.36.48 #       <Stevie-O> well
04.36.50 #       <Stevie-O> maybe Linus knows
04.37.04 #       <Stevie-O> hmm
04.37.06 #       <Stevie-O> I just realized
04.38.37 #       <Stevie-O> that the SDK is bzip2'd
04.38.47 #       <Stevie-O> but the daily builds are gzipped
04.39.36 #       <Norrin> The bleeding edge build works, I can get some sleep now.  I'll check tomorrow to see if it's in the daily builds.
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