--- Log for 06.06.103 Server: calvino.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: @logbot Version: Dancer V4.16p1 Started: 23 days and 2 hours ago 00.13.20 Join turbonegro [0] (vipd50b@port1130.ds1-vbr.adsl.cybercity.dk) 00.13.30 # hey 00.13.40 # anyone awake ? 00.13.51 # hi 00.14.57 # some months ago I stumbled across a link where some guy described how to change the hdd on a jukebox 6000 00.15.13 # now i can't find it - anyone here knows about it ? 00.15.40 # http://rockbox.haxx.se/mods/ 00.15.59 # u da man :) 00.16.08 # good luck! 00.16.17 # there's also http://www.mctubster.com/ 00.16.20 # and i'm too lazy to search the number one site 00.16.35 # have anyone here tried it ? 00.17.01 # several rockboxers, but they're mostly asleep now. =) 00.17.08 # better question: has anyone here NOT done it? =) 00.17.23 # hehe 00.17.42 # how high can you go ? 40gb...60gb ? 00.17.46 # I have not done it: "20 gigs is enough for *anyone*". ;) 00.17.52 # i believe there might even be 80gb hard drives now 00.18.07 # * turbonegro has about 70 gigs of mp3's so........ 00.18.22 # i upgraded to 40gb, the process is pretty easy 00.18.31 # ok 00.18.45 # and there's no problems afterwards ? 00.19.01 # nope 00.19.11 # except for the ages it takes to fill it up via usb 1.1 00.22.26 # turbonegro: use an adapter and copy all your files to the new hard drive BEFORE you install it on the jukebox 00.22.33 # much faster 00.22.58 # k 00.23.21 # and the brand of hd doesn't matter ? 00.24.06 # or, for that matter, buy a USB2.0 card and use that for later-transfers, too! =) 00.25.16 # yeah - already have usb2.0 on the mobo, but the player is 1.1 :) 00.25.35 # ahhh...right-o. 00.27.59 # alright then - thx a lot for the info...i'll go shopping for a new hdd then ;) 00.28.46 # fyi, in the uk ive seen 60gb 2.5" drives for Ł130 inc taxes 00.29.22 Quit jzoss ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)") 00.29.33 # Zagor: why did you cancel the fade on next patch? I really liked that one! 00.33.56 Quit _aLF ("bye") 00.34.53 Join kargatron [0] (~Vincent@ppp4-40.ath.forthnet.gr) 00.35.08 Part kargatron 00.38.59 # elinenbe: yours is not to ask, only obey 00.46.03 Join [IDC]Dragon [0] (jirc@218.232.70.240) 00.55.42 Join earHurts [0] (~zic@pool-138-88-76-40.res.east.verizon.net) 00.55.57 # hardeepL ignore that patch comment 00.55.57 # yeo 00.56.14 # stevie here? 01.01.30 # haha! sims online has been taken over by a vigilante group. 01.07.25 Join BoD[] [0] (~BoD@m198.net195-132-85.noos.fr) 01.07.34 # heiiiii 01.08.04 # hryo 01.08.52 # how are you 01.09.11 # good, good. you? 01.09.25 # fine 01.09.37 # you a rockbnox coder? 01.09.43 # nop 01.10.05 # a user hen. what model archos? 01.10.55 # recorder 20 but a bit broken 01.11.16 # how's it broken? 01.11.24 # solder problem 01.11.38 # it works but if I move it, it reboots 01.11.48 # sometimes reboots when I press buttons 01.12.14 # oh, nasty. out of warranty? 01.12.48 # of course;) 01.12.56 # of course. 01.13.17 # it broke like the day after the warranty was over !! 01.13.25 # oh shit. 01.13.33 # so what will you do? 01.13.42 # i'll buy an ipod :)) 01.13.47 # when I have money that is 01.14.13 Join tracktheripper [0] (jirc@ACBC373E.ipt.aol.com) 01.14.18 # the ipods are nice. 01.14.26 # Hello Everybody 01.14.34 # true 01.14.43 # still, at this point no harm trying a repair, is there? 01.14.52 # hello track. 01.14.56 # i opened it twice 01.15.00 # resolder it 01.15.03 # hello Earhurts 01.15.06 # it works a bit better 01.15.11 # but still reboots 01.15.11 # Zagor can I ask u something plz? 01.15.19 # and i'm not very good at soldering 01.15.27 # hnmn. you sure it's the solder? 01.15.29 # track 01.15.30 # oh. 01.15.36 # hi MT 01.15.41 # why do you put in such silly feature requests? 01.15.48 # well it was completly "unsoldered" :) the parts were moving 01.15.49 # what now?!?!! 01.15.52 # independently 01.15.55 # ah. 01.15.57 # what have I sent now?!?! 01.16.20 # Answer me, what have I sent now? 01.16.21 # yes, what was this feature request? 01.16.30 # http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&group_id=44306&atid=439121&aid=742650 01.16.34 DBUG Sent KICK turbonegro to server 01.16.34 # 14Goo14d N14ight Y14ou 14@LL !! 01.16.37 Kick (#rockbox turbonegro :Colourcodes are *not* appreciated here!) by logbot!~bjst@labb.contactor.se 01.16.37 Join turbonegro [0] (vipd50b@port1130.ds1-vbr.adsl.cybercity.dk) 01.16.47 Part turbonegro 01.16.56 # that was sent ages and ages ago 01.17.03 # i thought u was referring to my latest one 01.17.34 # http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&group_id=44306&atid=439121&aid=749225 01.17.38 # now what is wrong with this one? 01.17.47 # ha! movies on thw archos! 01.18.07 # :-) 01.18.23 # MT did u get my latest request?? 01.18.33 # nope? 01.18.38 # http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&group_id=44306&atid=439121&aid=749225 01.19.01 # well???? 01.19.10 # yeah i saw you talking about that one yesterday i think 01.19.17 # what do u think? 01.19.28 # i think it would require either guessing where the "red line" is 01.20.04 # or having to establish by examining the data when its clipping (impossible due to hardware limitations) 01.20.14 # yes, what's the definition of 'red zone'? 01.20.22 # did u get the pic I drew? Its attatched to the request 01.20.24 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 01.20.54 # describe it, would you? 01.21.16 # The end part of the peak meter is Inverted "the 'red zone" 01.21.33 # there is a picture of it attached to the request titled "Peak Meter Improvement" 01.21.39 # yeah, ok, I don't understand what a red zone is 01.21.52 # bnut nice njpeg, i saw iut. 01.21.58 Quit [IDC]Dragon ("Leaving") 01.22.01 # like on a tape deck's level meter 01.22.06 # the end part of it is red 01.22.38 # ok, and how do you determine what that nzone is? 01.22.58 # what's the process/algorithim/hueristic? 01.23.22 # its just there as a guide 01.23.28 # doesn't have to be 100% accurate 01.24.08 # so you njust want the Nth rightmost part inreverse video. 01.24.23 # yea 01.24.28 # no calculation required? 01.24.33 # NO 01.24.42 # oh 01.24.45 # purely visual? 01.24.53 # YES 01.24.54 # YES 01.24.55 DBUG Sent KICK tracktheripper to server 01.24.55 # YES 01.24.55 Kick (#rockbox tracktheripper :Stop repeating yourself) by logbot!~bjst@labb.contactor.se 01.24.56 # umm 01.25.08 Join tracktheripper [0] (jirc@ACBC373E.ipt.aol.com) 01.25.10 # that shouldnt be too hard to do tbh 01.25.10 # limited utility 01.25.18 # yea 01.25.20 # pull out yer favourite editor 01.25.23 # and do a patch 01.25.27 # and an option to switch it on and off 01.25.59 # do you code at all, track? 01.26.26 # no because i don't know how to 01.26.52 # only one way to learn :S 01.27.17 # yes, this would nbe a decent learning projnect too 01.27.43 # heehee 01.28.08 # and #c would bne willing to help you, i'm sure 01.28.10 # embedded c can be a bit gory, but if you can cope with it, you wont find programming much else too hard 01.28.23 # umn, c++? 01.28.25 # well no-one here will teach me anyting 01.29.06 # you pronbably need to look in app/wps-display.c 01.29.38 # okay 01.29.39 # hang on 01.29.50 # earHurts do me a link to that please 01.30.06 # for inverse vido, draw a pixel where the current meter does not, and vice versa 01.30.14 # ahh 01.30.18 # link me to that please 01.30.24 # download the source, track 01.30.32 # but i dont have winzip 01.30.46 # you will need mnany things. 01.31.00 # is your pc windows or linux? 01.31.15 # its Windows XP 01.31.32 # ah. first you need to install cygwin 01.31.44 # or you can ust this : http://rockbox.my-vserver.de/win32-sdk.html 01.31.49 # ust=use 01.32.15 # im downloading Winzip for sauce code 01.32.33 # cygwin may be a bnetter choice 01.32.53 # as it gives him other tools 01.32.55 # ok 01.33.10 # well.. why not 01.33.20 # but it's the fast way I think :) 01.33.54 # iis the win sdk nbased on mingw or cygwin? 01.34.26 # good question cygwin I think 01.34.38 # traxk, you have a modem or dsl? 01.35.24 # mingw can bne hard to configure sonmetimnes. 01.35.41 # i have ADSL 01.35.50 # oh, good. 01.36.07 # go to www.cygwin.com, and install cygwin. 01.36.11 # it seems to be cygwin 01.36.21 # you have admin rights on your pc? 01.36.58 # with cygwin he gets perl and cvs too 01.37.06 # definitelly cygwin :) 01.37.29 # not to mention bash 01.38.02 # it that all inclusive? 01.38.15 # there's bash with this minimal sdk.. i'm not sure about perl 01.38.23 # ohh 01.38.32 # Bod Why don't you email me all the bits? 01.38.52 # first you get cygwin, then you get the cross conmpiler, then you get win cvs, then you get the source. 01.39.09 # well email me all the b its please 01.39.13 # I do have dsl after all 01.39.14 # too big for enmail 01.39.19 # why email ? 01.39.23 # email it as a ZIP file 01.39.28 # so I know I have everything 01.39.45 # dude, we are talking megs upon megs 01.40.00 # ok 01.40.01 # mail won't help you :) 01.40.10 # ive extrackted the sorce code 01.40.12 # but it's a painless install 01.40.16 # where is the file for the PEAK METER 01.40.31 # mouhaha :) peakmeter.c ? :) 01.40.32 # don't know 01.40.36 # apps/wps-display, probably 01.42.01 # its all Chinese to me, the code 01.42.25 # you need to learn C 01.42.33 # lol 01.42.36 # yes, it takes anbit of work 01.42.49 # well im not even gonna consider trying 01.42.55 # i dont have time to learn C 01.43.05 # oh dear 01.43.08 # it's not a matter of time 01.43.31 # thats why i aske everyone else to coad for me 01.43.37 # :)) 01.43.59 # yeah .. you will become a Boss later ! 01.44.08 # i know!!! 01.44.12 # telling everybody to do something :) 01.44.20 # its just a case of inverting some pizels on the Peek Metre 01.44.47 # yes but the real question is 01.44.53 # are you interested in programming 01.45.01 # if not, of course, don't learn C... 01.45.13 # im not interested 01.45.18 # im more interested in my Archos machine 01.45.40 # don't you find it cool to program it yourself ? 01.45.49 # ah apps/recorder/peakmeter.c 01.45.59 # no i don't 01.46.25 # ok im 'in' the C file now 01.46.49 # haha! sonmenbody used an inline! 01.47.02 # inline ? 01.47.08 # is inline a c99 keyword? 01.47.18 # im in the c file now 01.47.56 # what is inline 01.48.21 # ah, we forgot the peakmneter can nbe scaled. 01.48.39 # don't worry i wont send any more requests 01.48.59 # inline in c++ requests the the compiler lexically replace the function call with its body. 01.49.06 # if every request i send will be rejected (simply because I sent it) 01.49.13 # ah right.. 01.49.21 # i bet if someone else sent my requests they would NOT be rejected 01.49.24 # what's the use of that ? :) 01.49.29 # the idea is to avoid function call overhead at the cost of increased code size. 01.49.50 # the compiler is free to ignore the request. 01.50.03 # ok 01.50.10 # it's a ... trick :) 01.50.34 Quit mecraw ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)") 01.50.39 # it's an optimization, yeah 01.51.27 # ok, lines 794 thriugh 824 01.53.22 # im bored 01.53.32 # ok track, in will make you a deal 01.53.42 # yea? 01.54.14 # :-) 01.54.14 # waht 01.54.33 # study those lines, and tell me nhow you think they should change for your request to nbe implemented. 01.54.51 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.55.12 # I will implement what you propose, if it makes any sort of sense. 01.55.52 # youve lost me 01.55.55 # :))))) 01.56.09 # you're fun 01.56.32 # well, hee's pronblemn. the peakmeter doesn't look exactly like you njpeg 01.56.44 # how come when I do a configure and I want to build the demos, they don't seem to get compiled -- at least the firmware does not show the menu item "Demos" 01.56.49 # at least on mny fm 01.57.09 # demos were removed for space reasons 01.57.32 # i'm working on a patch that willn savw about w 01.57.39 # 2.5 kb 01.57.44 # ohh 01.57.53 # how ? 01.57.54 # just Invert the last part of the Peak Meter 01.58.12 # specifically, 01.58.15 # oh, ok 01.58.53 # even the vertical bnar at the right end? 01.59.02 # yea 01.59.09 # Just do it and let me know how u get on 01.59.25 # nbut there's no backround, it'll njust disappear. 01.59.50 # bod: the settings code is repitious. 02.00.07 # ah ok :) 02.00.13 # no, track, that's not my deal. 02.00.27 # so what 'is' the deel then? 02.00.28 # you'll factorize what's .. factorizable 02.00.31 # unless it's work for hire. ;) 02.00.32 # I am talking about compiling my own. 02.00.37 # bod precisely 02.01.07 # elin, to include the demos, you'll have to remove somnething else 02.01.46 # track, i'll do it IF you study the code and tell nme precisely what shiuld be done. 02.02.04 # and not at my usual hourly nrate. 02.02.23 # i give up 02.02.28 # really I do 02.02.49 # bod, i,ve actually done most of it; thw quoted space saved is from actuall file nsizes 02.03.15 # source files ? 02.03.31 # track, you'll have a hard tinme finding a nbetter deal ;) 02.03.39 # i give u 02.03.39 # p 02.03.53 # source when i'bne regression tested it, not before 02.04.24 # 2.5kb in the sources .. what will it be on the binary ? 02.04.38 # sorry, i was unclear. 02.04.46 # 2.5 in the binary 02.04.52 # ah :) right 02.05.15 # source size change is minimal 02.05.46 # by the way I wonder if there is an "average" source to binary ratio 02.06.10 # well, of course ther is an avergae, nbut... 02.06.20 # know any assembly? 02.06.29 # yes a bit 02.06.49 # it's been a while, nbut; 02.07.18 # .dw rep 1024 0 02.07.35 # hm ? :) 02.08.00 Quit tracktheripper ("Leaving") 02.08.02 # i.e., nfill up data space with 1024 words, all of them will value 0 02.08.19 # ah :) 02.08.54 # source size is 15 bytes, binary is 1024 * sizeof word 02.09.42 # of course, it's an extreme case. 02.09.53 # aha :) yes 02.10.04 # actually, you've asked the cenntral question of information theory 02.10.13 # because I guess "normal" sources are bigger than the binary 02.10.48 # they define 'complexity' as that ratio 02.11.19 # description over uh, 'output' 02.11.22 # well I think my question was if there's such a ratio, does it have a meaning ? like if your binary is more than 10 times less than your sources, it means your project is "bad designed" or something 02.12.05 # good question 02.12.25 # i know there are source analysis utilities that count the rations of comments or stuff like that 02.12.37 # and then make a report :) 02.12.38 # of course there are well known trad noffs 02.12.50 # crap in nmy opinion 02.13.06 # why ? 02.13.34 # becuase it'ns easy to write line after line 02.13.55 # the idea of code is nto abstract common cases out 02.14.38 # inmagine a naive program to do additiin, which hardcode all operands and results. 02.14.47 # yes but these utilities can also help to detect problems in the code ! 02.14.56 # like function that are never called 02.15.34 # if( operand1 == 1 && operand2 == 1 ) return 2 else if.... 02.15.43 # yep 02.15.48 # oh sure, that's useful. 02.16.12 # quantifying isn't, iin my opinion, often useful 02.16.20 # as we lackn good nmetrics 02.16.23 # ok 02.16.36 # but good code doesn tens to nbe small 02.16.43 # well deconmposed 02.16.51 # and re-useable 02.17.04 # does or doesn't ?! 02.17.18 # my nbest work is made up of small functions and onbjnects 02.17.41 # onbjects -- i'm a c++ coder at heart 02.17.55 # ok 02.18.10 # in fact i'm a Java coder :) 02.18.35 # that's what i do at work 02.18.45 # did you know next version of Java will support templates ? :)) I guess it can be a good joke to c++ developpers 02.19.10 # templates are wonbdeful. casting is terrible 02.19.23 # true ! 02.19.45 # String s = (String) hash.get( id ) ) 02.19.51 # sure. 02.19.54 # but when they created Java they were like "we've taken c++ and removed unusefull or complicated parts, like templates" 02.20.01 # and now they put it back 02.20.11 # they were wrong 02.20.34 # well maybe it was a marketing trick :) 02.20.38 # hell, String overloads operator+, whycan't my objnect 02.20.56 # crap! 02.21.07 # make an "easy" language, it will become popular. . Then when it's popular give it power 02.21.19 # in was supposed to nmake a phone call 02.21.27 # woosp :) 02.21.38 # but you get a bunch of nbad programmers 02.21.55 # somne who don't even understand OO 02.22.16 # yeah 02.22.40 # if you don't want to do real OO, then use c++, which allows OO or non-OO 02.22.41 Join |nso|dead [0] (pussy@81-29-33-238.tau.hesby-radio.no) 02.22.41 # but maybe it's better to have bad programmers doing Java than them doing C++ :) 02.23.02 # bnad progranmmners don't do c++ long. 02.23.10 # very steep learning curve 02.23.42 # you know, in passed njava certificationn bEFORE i evern conmnpiled any njava? 02.24.00 # you did it on paper ? 02.24.07 # yeah 02.24.13 # and i knew c++ 02.24.14 # cool :) 02.24.30 # c++ prepares you for a lot 02.24.33 # <|nso|dead> when you install the "rockbox" os, do all the files on it get deleted ? 02.24.51 # |nso|dead: nop 02.24.54 # nso< none get delted 02.25.15 # <|nso|dead> so if u have lots of mp3s on it and decide to change os, nothing gets lost ? 02.25.23 # the extra copy of the archos firmware, if you have it, is overwritten 02.25.26 # |nso|dead: nop 02.25.29 # righr 02.25.31 # <|nso|dead> nice :) 02.25.46 # it's a no worry 02.25.53 # earHurts : do you code a lot for embedded and/or other small devices ? 02.26.02 # bod never have 02.26.10 # oh 02.26.12 # nbefore rocknbox of course 02.26.24 # do you like it ? :) 02.26.26 # and my contribs are small 02.26.28 # <|nso|dead> i might change to the rockbox os then, if its that much better than the archos firmware ? 02.26.39 # yes, and it is 02.27.00 # bod: i do, though i'd prfer c++ 02.27.13 # so you prefere high level 02.27.19 # no 02.27.41 # i prefer design nby contract anbd abnstraction 02.28.03 # c++ can nbe low level, unlike java 02.28.13 # well i would call that high level 02.28.34 # it,s all in the attitude. 02.28.34 # or .. level higher than C for embeded devices :) 02.28.48 # I wrote 'OO' assemnbly 02.28.57 # really ?! 02.29.06 # wow 02.29.07 # in the sense that i passed around pointers to structs 02.29.32 # nothing that impressive 02.29.47 # it "sounds" impressive :) 02.29.59 # anyway assembly impresses me 02.30.24 # no more so than a pointer ton strucy and arrays of pointer to function 02.30.40 # in wish java had function pointers. 02.30.51 # and no, not reflection 02.31.02 # real ptfs 02.31.02 # eark 02.31.36 # functors, of course can nbe used 02.31.57 # what is functor ? sounds "fun" ;) 02.32.19 # an onbnjnect that acts like a function 02.32.34 # like it has only one method? 02.32.41 # nbut can nbe passed and be stateful, like an object 02.33.02 # yes, it has one interestung method 02.33.24 # ok 02.33.45 # so when did you need real function pointers then 02.33.52 # in c+ it ncan bne syntacticly indistinguishable fronm a function call 02.34.17 # when i use a framework that is not really onbject oriented 02.34.47 # you're familiar with beans, right? 02.35.04 # getFoo' set Foo 02.35.05 Join Jet8810 [0] (~Jet8810@adsl-34-206-251.bct.bellsouth.net) 02.35.09 # yes 02.35.25 # ok, say I want to validate some nbeans 02.35.26 # heh, wow, Bob Marley really is awesome... 02.35.34 # yah' mom 02.35.37 # jet : ?? 02.35.40 # er, mon 02.35.59 #