--- Log for 24.06.103 Server: calvino.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16p1 Started: 1 month and 11 days ago 00.01.35 # I only see one place where ROM is read from 00.01.47 # and that's 0x020000fc or some such place 00.02.17 # Stevie[FP]: that's the one 00.02.18 # <[IDC]Dragon> that is the hardware mask (and version following that) 00.02.55 # The archos engineers should have great fun reading the irc logs. 00.03.20 # <[IDC]Dragon> Probably they get grey hair right now. 00.03.51 # <[IDC]Dragon> With me potentially generating hundreds of service claims ;-) 00.03.53 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.04.00 Quit tracktheripper ("Leaving") 00.04.20 Join tracktheripper [0] (jirc@ACA320AA.ipt.aol.com) 00.06.15 # <[IDC]Dragon> Linus, do you know anything about the set of mask values? (repeating myself) 00.06.58 # i know some, yes 00.07.27 # <[IDC]Dragon> Would you tell me (please)? 00.07.32 # i don't think it is a mask after all 00.07.41 # <[IDC]Dragon> anyway. 00.08.03 # i think it is two bytes with the version number of the two boards 00.08.38 # i have gathered some data from quite a few users 00.08.53 # <[IDC]Dragon> are those different for Player/Recorder/FM as the main branches? 00.09.13 # <[IDC]Dragon> Can you email me that? 00.10.07 # they are different, yes (i have no data for the fm though) 00.10.38 # <[IDC]Dragon> I can ask somebody with an FM. 00.11.08 # you want data for the fm? 00.11.36 # <[IDC]Dragon> Yo got one? What does it say for hardware mask? 00.11.48 # my fm is the only one with 0x0304 00.11.55 # (in my survey) 00.12.10 Join Stevie-O [0] (~whatsit2u@65.114.136.196) 00.12.21 # (pc=0x09009350) > r b 0x020000fc 00.12.21 # (0x020000FC)=0x05 00.12.31 # anything else ye desire? 00.13.10 # a beer? 00.13.12 # that's from one with 1.30j on the fw 00.13.30 # sorry, no tap emulation yet 00.14.12 Quit _aLF ("bye") 00.14.37 # [IDC]Dragon: see hwcompat.[ch] 00.17.31 # <[IDC]Dragon> That tells me how it's read. but not which values are out in the field, right? 00.19.08 # that tells how we use the hw mask to adapt to the different hw versions 00.20.59 # <[IDC]Dragon> OK, currently USB and MAS polarity, all on the same bit. 00.21.08 # yes 00.21.20 # and ATA address 00.21.59 # <[IDC]Dragon> That's defined, but I don't see it being used. 00.22.23 # no, we don't use it 00.22.34 # we autodetect that 00.22.54 # the hw mask survey was done long after we wrote the ata autodetection 00.22.55 # <[IDC]Dragon> Sounds better! 00.23.25 # <[IDC]Dragon> Can I get the results of that survey, please? 00.23.45 # it's in my pda, and i can't sync in linux (yet) 00.24.07 # <[IDC]Dragon> Any time, not now. I appreciate it. 00.24.54 # sure 00.25.02 # <[IDC]Dragon> Thanks! 00.25.58 # <[IDC]Dragon> Tomorrow I'll try downloading Rockbox via my UART monitor. I'm curious if that will run. 00.26.22 # <[IDC]Dragon> Question of enough initializations. 00.26.57 # well 00.27.06 # do you want to know what it initializes? 00.27.14 # ;) 00.27.17 # <[IDC]Dragon> If it runs, the way is clear for flashing. If not, it will be difficult to debug. 00.27.39 # hmm, indeed 00.27.57 # do you have a way to reflash the original FW if it doesn't work? 00.28.30 # <[IDC]Dragon> Currently, I don't need to flash, just load it into DRAM. 00.28.40 # oh 00.28.42 # ok 00.28.47 # well 00.28.48 # I gotta run 00.28.53 # cya l8r 00.29.00 # <[IDC]Dragon> But yes, I could reflash (if that damn chip arrives) 00.31.29 # <[IDC]Dragon> Folks, I'd like to go to bed, see you later! 00.31.35 # cu 00.31.57 # <[IDC]Dragon> (And thanks for all) 00.32.18 Quit [IDC]Dragon ("Leaving") 00.38.33 Join tracktheripper1 [0] (jirc@AC9C1C0D.ipt.aol.com) 00.42.31 Join ^gizz^ [0] (~nico@lns-th2-2f-81-56-186-54.adsl.proxad.net) 00.42.45 # <^gizz^> hi all 00.42.53 # 'ello 00.44.54 # * tracktheripper1 is very upset because Sokoban doesn't work anymore for me 00.45.08 Quit tracktheripper1 ("Leaving") 00.45.26 Join tracktheripper1 [0] (jirc@AC9C1C0D.ipt.aol.com) 00.46.18 # <^gizz^> linus, I have a hardware question for you :-) 00.46.20 Quit tracktheripper1 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.46.30 Quit Stevie-O (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00.47.13 # <^gizz^> do you think it would be feasible/not to hard to wire a second hdd on the archos ATA bus ? 00.47.57 # it would be a lot of work 00.48.14 # <^gizz^> not worth the result you mean ? 00.49.06 # i mean that it would require a hw mod, and some ATA driver hacking 00.49.20 # <^gizz^> hmm 00.50.07 # <^gizz^> recently I saw the prices of standalone hdd for CF backup, and they were so high I got this idea.. 00.50.17 Join tracktheripper1 [0] (jirc@AC9B9C90.ipt.aol.com) 00.50.38 # the current ata driver expects only one hs on the bus 00.50.43 # hd 00.50.47 # <^gizz^> linus : for you, what would be the hardest ? hw or driver mod ? 00.50.58 Quit tracktheripper (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.51.01 # driver 00.51.05 # <^gizz^> argh 00.51.30 # i'm not sure that the originsl firmware can handle it either 00.51.37 # <^gizz^> sure 00.51.45 # i guess they autodetect as well 00.51.55 # so the second drive will confuse them 00.52.15 # <^gizz^> btw : 00.52.33 # <^gizz^> what if I put two FAT32 parts on my rockbox, 00.52.39 # <^gizz^> with files on both 00.52.45 # <^gizz^> what about the fs root ? 00.52.55 # <^gizz^> (for rockbox of coure) 00.52.57 # <^gizz^> course 00.53.10 # the second partition will be ignored 00.53.14 # <^gizz^> ok 00.53.23 # <^gizz^> just listed in the hw menu right ? 00.53.28 # yup 00.53.32 # <^gizz^> => 00.54.08 # <^gizz^> I imagined that if it could handle both, it could be feasible to mod rockbox to handle two drives :-/ 00.55.47 # it's not the FAT driver that is the proble, it's the ATA driver 00.56.22 # <^gizz^> last question about that crap : if you decided to do this mod yourself, what time would it take to do it ? (rough approx) -- because if I try to do it, I've got to get it to work before 12. julyy :-/ 00.56.57 Quit tracktheripper1 ("Leaving") 00.57.08 Join tracktheripper [0] (jirc@AC9B9C90.ipt.aol.com) 00.57.20 # does anyone have issues with SOKOBAN? 00.57.21 # <^gizz^> ata : you mean that hw speaking, there is no problem connecting two disks, but the sw (driver) is not aware at all ? 00.58.37 # i guess so 01.02.14 # <^gizz^> ok, g'night everyone ! thx linus ! 01.02.54 # nite ^gizz^ 01.03.05 Part ^gizz^ 01.12.53 Quit tracktheripper ("Leaving") 01.30.24 Quit BoD[] (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.30.24 NSplit calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 01.30.24 Quit Stevie[FP] (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.30.24 Quit mbr (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.30.24 Quit Hadaka (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.30.36 NHeal calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 01.30.36 NJoin BoD[] [0] (~BoD@m198.net195-132-85.noos.fr) 01.30.40 Join Naked [0] (naked@aka.pp.htv.fi) 01.30.43 Nick Naked is now known as Hadaka (naked@aka.pp.htv.fi) 01.30.44 NJoin mbr [0] (~mb@stlx01.stz-softwaretechnik.de) 01.39.01 Join Stevie-O [0] (whatsit2u@user-2inimbh.dialup.mindspring.com) 01.39.30 # * Stevie-O yawns 01.39.45 # tired? 01.42.06 # yeah 01.42.27 # I'm certain I'm doing something wrong with ATA emulation 01.42.47 # me too :-) 01.43.06 # I wasn't aware you were emulating an ATA device :P 01.43.22 # I get a whole crapload of ATA resets on startup 01.45.27 # [freenode] -lilo(levin@lilo.staff.freenode)- [Global Notice] Hi all. We're experiencing severe attacks and we'll be shutting down the network piece by piece. Thanks. 01.46.16 # euh 01.46.50 # yuck 01.48.25 # shuting down the network 01.48.26 # Stevie-O: i'm very sure that the archos firmware probes the ata for master/slave 01.53.15 # hmm irc.freenode points to 127.0.0.1... 01.53.42 # LinusN: but it's doing a LOT of resets 01.59.05 # oh 01.59.30 # maybe it times out or something? 02.00.15 # not likely, since my emulator reacts instantly as far as the program can tell 02.00.51 # oh well 02.01.21 # but how does the firmware detect the timeout? 02.01.26 # timer interrupt? 02.01.41 # hmm 02.01.45 # not sure 02.02.10 # but then 02.02.15 # the firmware is REALLY braindead 02.02.21 # haha 02.02.21 # it does like 20 consecutive reads of the status register 02.02.26 # it doesn't do anything with the value 02.02.28 # it just reads it 02.02.54 # 0x0901C424: 0x6210 read_ata({0x06000206} sel: 1, 0x016: CS1=A CS0=n A=0x06 R=Status2) = 0x40mov.b @r1, r2 ; (0x06000206) = 0x40 02.02.55 # 0x0901C426: 0x6210 read_ata({0x06000206} sel: 1, 0x016: CS1=A CS0=n A=0x06 R=Status2) = 0x40mov.b @r1, r2 ; (0x06000206) = 0x40 02.02.55 DBUG Enqueued KICK Stevie-O 02.02.55 # 0x0901C428: 0x6210 read_ata({0x06000206} sel: 1, 0x016: CS1=A CS0=n A=0x06 R=Status2) = 0x40mov.b @r1, r2 ; (0x06000206) = 0x40 02.03.04 # yeah i have seen that 02.03.35 # i still wonder why on earth it does that 02.03.42 # oh 02.03.45 # I had a theory 02.03.55 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.04.01 # the original Player firmware has background noise 02.04.13 # during quiet portions of mp3s 02.04.13 # right? 02.04.50 # i believe it is the recorder, but yes 02.05.10 # and i'm pretty sure it's the i2c that does it 02.06.48 # but it supposedly doesn't happen under Rockbox? 02.07.12 # because the rockbox i2c implementation is a lot faster, thus higher in frequency 02.07.35 # i2c is used to transfer the commands 02.07.50 # but I thought the data was transferred through some other method 02.07.53 # and to read the RTC 02.08.08 # the archos firmware reads the rtc a lot 02.08.44 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 02.08.44 # * Stevie-O notes that the archos firmware is krap 02.08.46 # and it reads the peak meter from the MAS frequently 02.09.56 # What if they had a bug in their bitswap routine? 02.10.00 # an off-by-one sort of thing 02.10.33 # if the bitswap fails, the sound output would be muted 02.10.51 # I don't know 02.10.57 # if it was an off-by-one 02.11.07 # the CRC check would fail 02.11.07 # *most* of the mp3 data would be valid 02.11.23 # and the entire frame would be discarded 02.11.25 # the mp3 data itself has a crc check? 02.11.34 # yes, optionally 02.12.09 # I thought that was just the frame data 02.12.37 # oh well, I don't know crap 02.12.50 # yes, ecah frame has a CRC 02.12.51 # each 02.13.13 # and the CRC is calculated from the entire frame contents 02.14.28 # mkay 02.14.32 # well it was just a theory :P 02.16.46 # what does it do before the ATA reset? 02.18.11 # hm 02.18.30 # probes the proper address 02.18.40 # at least I'm assuing that that's what it's probing 02.18.46 # write_ata({0x06000102} sel: 1, 0x00a: CS1=n CS0=A A=0x02 R=SCount, 0x55) 02.18.48 # write_ata({0x06000103} sel: 1, 0x00b: CS1=n CS0=A A=0x03 R=Sector, 0xaa) 02.18.56 # read_ata({0x06000102} sel: 1, 0x00a: CS1=n CS0=A A=0x02 R=SCount) = 0x55 02.18.56 # read_ata({0x06000103} sel: 1, 0x00b: CS1=n CS0=A A=0x03 R=Sector) = 0xaa 02.19.13 # right before that it access the RTC 02.19.54 # writes the alarm date 02.20.09 # (I guess that's to turn off any 'wakeup alarm' already scheduled) 02.21.40 # oic 02.23.31 # 0x40 => SQWE (Square Wave Enable) 02.24.32 # that is the backlight 02.26.58 # yeah 02.27.03 # then it writes 0x10 to the RTC register 'SQW' which sets a 32768 Hz square wave output 02.27.14 # which I assume is the closest thing to solid ON that they have 02.27.21 # yup 02.27.26 # I wonder 02.27.31 # if we set it to 16384Hz 02.28.29 # I wonder 02.29.05 # would the blacklight use half as much power? 02.29.32 # i guess not, since the duty cycle is still 50% 02.29.50 # hmm 02.29.55 # true 02.29.57 # it will just flicker more 02.30.14 # ok 02.30.27 # so just before doing the ATA stuff 02.30.30 # it turns on the backlight 02.30.57 # I hate serial interfaces :P 02.31.15 # long log, eh? 02.31.27 # actually I have code to limit that output 02.31.36 # it's the fact that they take so damn long to emulate 02.31.45 # so it probes, and then what? 02.31.47 # read memory: 1 instruction to emulate 02.31.51 # oh 02.32.01 # write_ata({0x06000106} sel: 1, 0x00e: CS1=n CS0=A A=0x06 R=Dev/Head, 0xa0) 02.32.01 # DEV/HEAD: select device 0 02.32.01 # write_ata({0x06000206} sel: 1, 0x016: CS1=A CS0=n A=0x06 R=DevCtrl, 0x0c) 02.32.01 # Device Control Register: SRST=1 nIER=0 02.32.01 # ATA reset start... 02.32.27 # then it reads the alternate status register 24 times (throwing away the value) 02.32.48 # ok 02.33.00 # or maybe it pays attention the 24th time 02.33.03 # anyway 02.33.03 # write_ata({0x06000206} sel: 1, 0x016: CS1=A CS0=n A=0x06 R=DevCtrl, 0x08) 02.33.03 # Device Control Register: SRST=0 nIER=0 02.33.09 # then it turns off the reset 02.34.34 # then 24 more useless reads of the alternate status register... 02.34.34 # and then? 02.34.51 # then another reset 02.35.14 # what do you return on the alt_status reads, then? 02.36.32 # here 02.36.32 # http://www.qrpff.net/~stevie/jbremu/jbremu_ata.log.bz2 02.37.14 # circa line 708 02.43.29 # hmmm 02.46.02 # it's strange that it resets tha ata that many times, but it does seem to continue after that 02.46.29 # yeah 02.46.38 # hmmm 02.46.42 # * Stevie-O posits a theory 02.46.47 # they didn't get it right the first time 02.46.57 # the only way they could pull it off was to reset a whole buncha times 02.47.23 # and they never bothered to figure out what they were doing wrong 02.48.11 # still, it resets, does a few IDENTIFY and READ_MULTIPLE, and then goes back to the reset stage again 02.48.11 # the Windows and BIOS way: it works, just leave it 02.49.23 # yup. 02.49.43 # gotta sleep now 02.49.48 # ok 02.49.50 # cya l8r 02.49.55 # cu tomorrow 02.49.58 Part LinusN 03.31.33 Quit BoD[] ("dodozitude") 03.31.34 Quit elinenbe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.40.18 Quit Jet8810 ("Client exiting") 04.03.56 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.42.56 Join diddystar5 [0] (Lee@AC850056.ipt.aol.com) 04.43.28 Part diddystar5 ("Client exiting") 04.46.30 Join elinenbe [0] (trilluser@user-0cev103.cable.mindspring.com) 04.49.33 Join thu [0] (~thu@h24-87-64-169.vc.shawcable.net) 05.27.35 Join earHurts [0] (~zic@pool-138-88-68-139.res.east.verizon.net) 05.28.01 # anybody here understand electricy? 05.33.15 # no 05.33.30 # you plug one end of the cable into the socket 05.33.32 # what about formatting disks? 05.33.34 # the other end into the archos 05.33.42 # what about it? 05.34.17 Quit hardeep ("BitchX: its magically delicious!") 05.34.21 # windows wants to "write a signature" to my new disk. 05.34.32 # what's that? 05.34.33 # uhm 05.34.34 # no idea 05.34.55 # it's been years since i did more than a format c: \u 05.35.30 # me too 05.36.52 # windows can't seem toi use a disk unless a signature is written. 05.37.28 # 11574.0740740741/365 05.37.35 # er doh 05.38.28 # know about electricty, psyco? 05.38.54 # voltage is pressure, amps is current 05.39.06 # great. 05.39.26 # you familiar with the mechanical design of the fm recorder? 05.39.44 # well it's got buttons and a harddrive 05.40.09 # great. 05.40.42 # okay, it's got a battery. the battery top is metal under plastic. 05.41.03 # the metal contacts, among other things, the outer case. 05.41.15 # why is this NOT a problem? 05.41.49 # why would it be? 05.42.50 # um, ok, why don't I get the current into me when I touch the case. 05.43.02 # because there's no voltage between you and the case? i dunno 05.43.10 # please don't tell me it,s the thin and disappearing veneer of paint 05.43.57 # earHurts: maybe they're considering a zapper module 05.44.03 # for self-defence 05.44.06 # heh 05.45.21 # you need an electromotive force, given by a difference of voltage, to produce a current 05.45.25 # i think 05.45.55 # yeah, I'm pretty ignorant about the subject 05.46.03 # and so the difference in voltage can be either something with an excess of electrons vs something with a diffiency, or it could also be an excess or defficiency vs. the ground state 05.47.27 # in the latter case, one of the contacts for the voltage difference is a ground, which is either litteraly connected to the earth, or is just the biggest conductor you can connect it to 05.48.03 # in an electric guitar the ground is provided by the player 05.48.22 # in many things it's provided by the casing, and sometimes whoever/whatever is holding the casing 05.48.49 # and there's probably lots wrong with all i just said, but i think it answers your question heh 05.49.02 # yeah, ok, so the electricty follows the path of least resistance to the opposite battery pole, and that's never me? 05.49.34 # heh 05.50.00 Quit adi|home (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 05.50.00 NSplit calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 05.50.00 Quit dw|gone (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 05.50.06 # well you're only touching one pole 05.50.11 # you're not part of the circuit 05.50.14 # the question came up when I opened the archos 05.50.24 # I replaced the hdd 05.50.55 NHeal calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 05.50.55 NJoin adi|home [0] (~adi|home@as5300-11.216-194-24-173.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) 05.50.55 NJoin dw|gone [20] (dwihno@h193180246067.kommunicera.umea.se) 05.50.58 # gave myself a shock, i think 05.51.07 # really? 05.51.20 # i didn't know there was enough voltage in these little things to shock 05.51.21 # heh 05.51.47 # not sure. tingle and a littlw burn in my left hand 05.52.04 # a little sore now, an hour later. 05.52.21 # might ahve been a spontaneous muscle spasm. 05.52.46 # the hdd has a plastic wrap on it. 05.53.02 # I replaced it without the wrap. 05.53.26 # *shrug* 05.53.26 # before i relized I should put the NEW drive in. heh 05.53.38 # heh 05.54.52 # what drive did you get? 05.55.15 # fujitsu 60. it's formtiing via usb now 05.55.31 # how much? 05.55.39 # $170 05.55.54 # heh 05.56.09 # not a fortune but a lot more than an ide drive 05.56.25 # now if I've broken the arcos, it's $340 total 05.56.38 # if I wouldn't be expecting to crash/lose my archos I'd get one too 05.56.46 # did you zap your unit? 05.57.13 # of course, if the shock had given me another heart attack, the cost would have been more 05.57.19 # zap the unit? 05.59.16 # yeah 05.59.39 # what do you mean? 05.59.56 # how did you break your archos? 06.00.58 # I didn't. but in replacing the drive I bent the case and broke a solder point. 06.02.01 # oh I see 06.02.32 # but if it works, I have 55gb 06.04.00 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.05.11 # it will never be enough 06.05.15 # no matter how much space you have 06.07.46 # yeah. 06.08.01 # I another year I'll get a 120 06.08.23 # are there 120G notebook drives? 06.08.37 # in another year there will be. 06.09.05 # true 06.09.21 # I'll probably replace this archos at some point 06.09.25 # because of the limited interface 06.09.38 # I almost crashed my car a few times trying to find a track 06.09.51 # actually I crashed it into the sidewalk once 06.09.53 # the ipods are twmpting, but I have faith in Rockbox 06.10.04 # rockbox rulez but the hardware is limited 06.10.07 # the display is too small 06.10.11 # I don't skateboard 06.10.32 # a bigger display would be excellent 06.39.22 Join OliverKlozoff [0] (whatsit2u@user-2inimbh.dialup.mindspring.com) 06.39.23 Quit Stevie-O (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.40.14 # stevie? 06.45.17 # he ain't here no more 06.45.47 # I though he was also OliverKlozoff. 06.48.04 # * OliverKlozoff wonders if anybody's said that out loud yet 06.48.22 # yeah, yeah, we get it 06.48.43 # know anything about electricty? 06.49.03 # electricity? 06.49.08 # yeah. 06.49.14 # population 1820 06.49.34 # the archos batter connects tot the case. I'm wondering why that's ok. 07.11.51 # it's OK because archos doesn't care about their product? 07.14.15 # erm. 07.14.38 # w2k won't let me format a drive >32gb 07.14.46 # yes? 07.14.53 # that's documented somewhere 07.15.12 # yes, it's by freakibg design!! 07.15.19 # yes 07.15.22 # bill knows freaking best 07.15.33 # I'm uncertain as to what design they're referring to 07.15.37 # so use mkdosfs 07.15.55 # will that do fat32 07.15.58 # ? 07.16.01 # ... yes 07.16.05 # use -F 32 07.16.09 # not fat16 07.16.30 # not in cygwin. 07.16.41 # is there a cygwin build? 07.17.19 # what do you mean not in cygwin? 07.18.25 # it's not in my cygwin path 07.18.38 # so I assume it doesn't exist 07.19.08 # ... 07.19.15 # you have to GET IT and COMPILE IT 07.19.24 # oh. 07.19.26 # right 07.19.44 # crap 07.21.14 # you know 07.21.16 # i swear 07.21.21 # these people are fucking worthless 07.22.26 # which? 07.23.06 # who? 07.23.07 # the people who have webpages mentioning that 'by design Windows 2000/XP won't format a drive over 32gb' 07.23.21 # instead of say, supplying a damn program that WILL 07.25.09 # i say .. thats their own fault for using windows ;) 07.25.47 # yeah, it's my own damn fault. 07.25.50 # ahem 07.26.15 # but by design. asses. 07.26.50 # I can't boot 98, it won't see the usb drive. 07.26.52 # i think you mean 'by brain damage' 07.26.56 # http://www.han.de/~jum/mkdosfs/ 07.28.00 # there ye go 07.28.07 # thank you oliver! 07.28.17 # yw. 07.28.19 # you google better than do I! 07.28.35 # * earHurts has 5 tabs open 07.28.42 # all googling 07.30.39 # the hell of it is, windoze went through the entire 55gb -- BEFORE it complained about the size. 07.30.41 # i've got practice 07.30.48 # HAHAHHAA 07.30.51 # the archos got really, really hot. 07.30.52 # you're kidding 07.31.01 # nope 07.31.22 # omfg 07.31.24 # took nearly an hour even with usb 2.0 hi speed 07.31.26 # you should email microsoft 07.31.54 # how do i attach a clue stick to email in outlook? 07.32.01 # im not sure 07.32.31 # I use Mozilla 07.32.32 # kidding 07.32.50 # ;) 07.33.15 # have you seen the latest screenshawts? 07.36.01 # of mozilla mail? 07.36.33 # mozilla is sloww 07.36.46 # lol, no 07.36.49 # http://www.qrpff.net/~stevie/jbremu/revelation.jpg 07.36.51 # does it allow skins? I never like netscape mail's look 07.37.08 # mmm emulator 07.38.01 # eww windows though 07.38.08 # usb working? how do I attach a cable to the emu? ;) 07.38.09 # I want an emu for linux 07.38.22 # earHurts: actually that was usb not working 07.38.27 # it was stuck on 'on' mode 07.38.30 # i want stevie to make biaries available 07.38.40 # sweet, stevie 07.38.43 # http://www.qrpff.net/~stevie/jbremu/fixedadc.jpg <- fixed ADC 07.38.50 # shit 07.39.01 # mkdosfs is done? 07.39.06 # * thu shudders at the windows interface 07.39.13 # how can you switch around all that mess? 07.39.21 # did it not physically write the disk? 07.40.27 # earHurts: your format was really going overkill 07.40.27 # thu: alt+tab 07.40.32 # how many times? :P 07.40.37 # a lot 07.40.45 # hehe. fixedadc is what I just saw for real 07.40.52 # http://www.qrpff.net/~stevie/jbremu/charged.jpg 07.41.06 # wait 07.41.13 # you ran it and you got that message? 07.41.18 # Oliver, I think I missed your last transmission 07.41.26 # hmmm 07.41.36 # yeah. after I added the new disk 07.41.41 # I wonder if Z or Linus have ever really used it 07.41.50 # http://www.qrpff.net/~stevie/jbremu/charged.jpg 07.42.37 # I wonder if mkdosfs has a bug 07.42.41 # * OliverKlozoff wouldn't be all that shocked 07.43.46 # windows sees the volume, with the right size, 55gb 07.44.06 # now we copy >20 gb to it. 07.44.43 # http://www.qrpff.net/~stevie/jbremu/charging.jpg 07.44.52 # chkdsk? 07.45.10 # good idea 07.45.33 # then we reformat M: and Z: into a single drive. 07.45.47 # I just copied Z/*.* to I: 07.45.57 # mark and zibowski? 07.46.02 # I copy m: to archos 07.46.10 # music and zips 07.46.34 # then I have 40gb on the expanded M 07.46.43 # to 'mirror' the archos 07.47.26 # mk 07.47.39 # mk? 07.47.44 # mk 07.47.58 # I need the src to daemontools 07.48.20 # dunno what daemontools is 07.48.32 # that's OK, I do 07.48.33 # :P 07.48.40 # chkdsk says the new volume is RAW?? 07.48.40 # it involves my emulator 07.49.43 # so i thought 07.51.36 # i can't say i really get the point of an emulator for the archos.. but im just glad it makes ppl happy :) 07.52.25 # will make debugging easier 07.52.36 # shrugs 07.52.50 # will make testing faster, as no unmount required. 07.53.04 # I wants it, my preciousssss 07.53.08 # fair enough... 07.53.22 # hmmm.. i want opinions on somehting... 07.53.33 # the 'rename' action 07.54.15 # looking over the code.. i realized that if you rename a file to the exact same name, we spin the drive, rename it and spin down... 07.54.27 # that make much sense to anyone else... or am i being anal? 07.54.47 # it avoids extra code? 07.55.17 # hmm but costs you a drive spin up when not needed... 07.55.17 # shrgus 07.55.21 # i just wasn't sure how other os's handled it.. 07.55.55 # might be useful if reading the name is incorrect becuase it contains special characters? 07.56.17 # eg, (char)0? 07.56.33 # hmmm.. i guess. 07.56.52 # oh.. and . umm.. what do we think of actually being able to delete dirs 07.56.58 # and doing it recursivly 07.57.12 # i think 07.57.14 # having to delete 15 files when i wa sin the car the other day drove me nuts... i wanted to just delete the dir... 07.57.16 # that's what rm -rf is for 07.57.27 # heheh only if you are hooked up to a pc ;) 07.57.44 # we need recursive delete, I agree. 07.58.15 # well 07.58.18 # bring a laptop 07.58.18 # i would assume we make it redudantly question right? 07.58.18 # :) 07.58.22 # with a warning "This will delete directory foo, and all files and directories in foo" 07.58.27 # you buy me one i will. 07.58.36 # lol 07.58.39 # see, I already have one :P 07.58.46 # :) 07.58.50 # haven't you seen the screenshots? 07.58.53 # im unemployed.. very unemployed... 07.58.56 # I can't connect my pda to srchos (yet) 07.59.06 # haven't you noticed they're a bit... big? 07.59.21 # ask for a job at archos. they need talent 07.59.35 # and brains 07.59.37 Join Bagder [241] (~dast@neptunus.contactor.se) 07.59.40 # they need brains 07.59.46 # hey Dan 07.59.58 # wanna check the latest in screenshot technology? 08.00.13 # I do! 08.00.24 # http://www.qrpff.net/~stevie/jbremu/revelation.jpg 08.00.24 # :-) 08.00.37 # the damn startup code in the archos fw records from the mic 08.01.09 # is there a tolls that will join two contigous volumes into a single volume? 08.01.26 # the startup /records/??? 08.02.02 # that's what I said. 08.02.10 # it RECORDS 08.02.11 # from the builtin mic 08.02.16 # Bagder: long time no talk 08.02.22 # hi adi 08.02.25 # hey... bud... question for you... 08.02.44 # sure 08.02.53 # that's insane 08.02.54 # any opinions about a recursive directory delete? 08.03.12 # i was deleting files... was very annoying... 08.03.27 # if you have an FM 08.03.27 # I think using delete on a directory should be recursive 08.03.35 # k... good 08.03.44 # cause we dont do dir delete at all... 08.03.53 # ill see about that... 08.03.53 # right 08.03.59 # we already have a recursive routine in create playlist. 08.04.02 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.04.09 # right 08.04.14 # dirs are files on our system right? 08.04.15 # it's right when the the marker is halfway between the 'OS Version:' and the version number 08.04.18 # let's see if we can reuse that. 08.04.26 # nods 08.04.28 # adi|home: yeah but you have to delete the '.' and '..' entries 08.04.34 # nods 08.04.42 # dirs have a bit set in the dir cache that marks them 08.04.47 # the FM startup code records 16KB from the MAS 08.04.54 # right.. thats easy enough to detect.. 08.05.06 # so it's a POST 08.05.16 # record to ensure it works. 08.05.17 # I guess so 08.05.24 # OliverKlozoff: you found out why? 08.05.27 # but 08.05.32 # it doesn't DO anything if it doesn't work 08.05.34 # it just hangs there 08.05.36 # that's annoying I want a build that prevenst recording at all 08.05.39 # heh 08.05.58 # that's what I was fighting with for a week 08.06.01 # it would just *hang* there 08.06.10 # no output 08.06.12 # ... 08.06.17 # damn pos 08.06.27 # gaurd wouldn't let me take my archos into jury duty becuase it records. 08.06.35 # guard, even 08.06.44 # how did he know it records? 08.06.58 # put it in a Player case :D 08.07.03 # it says on the front, and I was honest. 08.07.40 # ah, see, if you had an FM you could have just said it was for recording the radio :P 08.07.43 # I'm going to make a build that doesn't record, rolo, or delete/rename ajbrec.ajz 08.08.03 # hey bager, you know about the mechanics of the fm? 08.08.25 # only a little, I don't have one myself 08.08.27 # lying to courst officials is asking for trouble 08.08.30 # Bagder: 'revelation' had a broken ADC emulation that made it think it was in USB mode all the time 08.08.45 # http://www.qrpff.net/~stevie/jbremu/fixedadc.jpg 08.09.09 # :-) 08.09.15 # bagder, the battery negative lead attaches directly to the metal case. 08.09.36 # perhaps that's for grounding? 08.09.52 # what key makes recording stop? 08.09.56 # I think I even shocked myself, when I left the plastic wrap off the hdd 08.10.09 # oliver, could it be? 08.10.17 # I dunno 08.10.19 # I'm no EE 08.10.24 # me neither 08.10.28 # I'm no anything E for that matter 08.10.30 # crap 08.10.35 # * OliverKlozoff flunked out of college, never went to class 08.10.50 Join hardeep [0] (1098@208.247.65.237) 08.10.52 # and you writw compilers for a living? cool. 08.10.58 # no? 08.11.03 # I don't write compilers for a living... 08.11.11 # thought you said as much 08.11.16 # no... 08.11.25 # not even close 08.11.41 # you are stevie-fp, yes? 08.11.48 # indeed 08.11.52 # but I don't write compilers 08.12.00 # hmmph. 08.12.06 # my bad inference. 08.12.28 # OliverKlozoff: what do you do? 08.12.28 # Bagder: I found a way to detect charging status on the FM 08.12.28 # well hmm 08.12.34 # hardeep, know any electricity? 08.12.41 # you guys know what Mobil Speedpass is? 08.13.00 # yeah. 08.13.05 # yup.. 08.13.09 # imagine using that sort of thing to buy candy/soda from a vending machine 08.13.14 # a credit card 08.13.19 # or your lunch from Burger King or McD's 08.13.27 # your trying to make me more poor aren't you oliver 08.13.37 # you write software for that? cool 08.13.37 # lmao 08.13.46 # I write the software that runs on the devices 08.13.53 # nice 08.13.57 # that plugs into vending machines and cash registers 08.14.01 # sweet.. where you located.. and are you hirering :) 08.14.05 # for a similar system 08.14.07 # * earHurts earHurts: electricity and I are old friends 08.14.21 # lmao hardeep 08.14.26 # earHurts: starting when i first stuck a fork in the socket 08.14.29 # adi|home: lol 08.14.33 # perhaps you can help me then. 08.14.48 # OliverKlozoff: im not joking... 08.14.50 # i need a job :) 08.14.52 # bad 08.15.00 # the archos fm battery negative connects to the case. 08.15.04 # I doubt we have a position available 08.15.22 # code java? live in the US? 08.15.40 # we've barely started recovering from a loss that nearly put us out of business 08.15.48 # back in november, massive layoffs happened 08.15.52 # the freaking case, does that make sense? 08.16.43 # 13gb copied to the new archos drive! 08.16.51 # congratulations. 08.17.08 # no, thank you for the mkdosfs link. 08.17.21 # does it werk? 08.18.02 # else ny head would have exploded. I left the usb cable at work, had to cab back to get it after nearly destroying the case installing the new drive. 08.18.15 # seems to work but not chkdsk. 08.18.56 # ouch 08.19.01 # broke a solder joint. bent the case. 08.19.18 # double ouch 08.19.28 # should have un-soldered it, but I don't solder 08.20.18 Nick dw|gone is now known as dwihno (dwihno@h193180246067.kommunicera.umea.se) 08.21.07 # I thinking I might have to buy a new archos. 08.21.19 # so.. umm.. how do i turn off recording? 08.21.51 # never recorded with rockbox. 08.22.53 # now, how do attach the old 20gb to my zaurus 08.23.17 # 'stop' or 'pause' maybe? 08.23.26 # off? 08.23.27 # 'very large hammer' perhaps 08.23.47 # * OliverKlozoff is pretty sure that would stop recording AND playback as well 08.24.33 # press, not hold. 08.25.09 # bagder, not rockbox issues with 60gb drive, yes? 08.25.17 # s/not/no 08.25.23 # nope, not that I know of 08.26.00 # then it's the only thing involved in this upgrade that doesn't 08.26.41 # w2k won't format 08.27.08 # >32gb BY|DESIGN. 08.27.09 # feh 08.27.18 # right 08.27.29 # but linux and others have no issues 08.28.05 # the archos should work fine with anything up to 128GB 08.28.25 # or 138 as the disk-manufactorers say 08.28.51 # hmm 08.29.02 # one file eefused to copy. 08.29.21 # one. out of all 18gb 08.30.24 # what's the max dir or file name length with mkdosfs? 08.30.42 # I dunno 08.31.44 # crap 08.33.36 # * Bagder hates news-articles on the web split up on N different pages instead of one single 08.33.39 # ah. 08.33.57 # the file is corrupt on the source drive. 08.33.59 # yeah! 08.34.40 # that way the lower their bandwidth and guage your interest. and yes, it >> next page. 08.34.53 # << previous page sucks 08.34.54 # yeah 08.35.01 # I just use the printer-friendly link and read that one 08.35.18 # if there is one 08.36.20 # new drive boots archos. 08.36.28 # setting gone of course. 08.36.59 # what's the keys to change contrast? 08.37.23 # its in the faq 08.37.36 # I can't tell for sure, I have my version patched 08.37.54 # got it! 08.41.00 # config loaded! 08.41.22 # display seems less bright. 08.41.35 # but power specs for new hdd same as old 08.41.49 # perhaps imagining, or used to pda 08.43.11 # playing music from new drive! 08.44.52 Join matsl [0] (~matsl@dhcp101.contactor.se) 08.46.56 # new 60gb drive working. 08.53.45 # the new drive can be heard in recording from the built in mike, but not enough t make the recording unintelligible 09.04.09 Quit hardeep ("[BX] Yo quiero BitchX") 09.48.44 Join LinusN [200] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 09.49.13 Part LinusN 10.04.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.06.32 Join quelsaruk [20] (~swordmast@faerun.ugr.es) 10.13.22 # morning 10.20.26 Quit thu (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.20.26 NSplit calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 10.20.26 Quit quelsaruk (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.20.26 Quit OliverKlozoff (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.20.26 Quit MT (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.20.26 Quit PsycoXul (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.20.26 Quit matsl (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.20.26 Quit mbr (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.20.26 Quit ricII (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.20.26 Quit Hes (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.20.29 # morning 10.20.30 Quit Hadaka (Dead socket) 10.27.30 NHeal calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 10.27.30 NJoin matsl [0] (~matsl@dhcp101.contactor.se) 10.27.30 NJoin thu [0] (~thu@h24-87-64-169.vc.shawcable.net) 10.27.30 NJoin mbr [0] (~mb@stlx01.stz-softwaretechnik.de) 10.27.30 NJoin ricII [0] (~ricv@debianalpha.xs4all.nl) 10.27.30 NJoin Hes [0] (~hessu@hessu.zedi.sonera.fi) 10.37.36 Quit thu (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.37.36 Quit Hes (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.37.36 Quit mbr (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.37.36 Quit ricII (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.37.36 Quit matsl (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10.40.05 NJoin quelsaruk [20] (~swordmast@faerun.ugr.es) 10.40.05 NJoin OliverKlozoff [0] (whatsit2u@user-2inimbh.dialup.mindspring.com) 10.40.05 NJoin MT [0] (mt@fido.impulsed.net) 10.40.05 NJoin PsycoXul [20] (psyco@adsl-67-123-43-216.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) 10.43.18 Join Hadaka [0] (naked@aka.pp.htv.fi) 10.43.18 NJoin matsl [0] (~matsl@dhcp101.contactor.se) 10.43.18 NJoin thu [0] (~thu@h24-87-64-169.vc.shawcable.net) 10.43.18 NJoin mbr [0] (~mb@stlx01.stz-softwaretechnik.de) 10.43.18 NJoin ricII [0] (~ricv@debianalpha.xs4all.nl) 10.43.18 NJoin Hes [0] (~hessu@hessu.zedi.sonera.fi) 10.50.53 Part quelsaruk (""Eve's Avatar - Avatar's Eve"") 10.52.12 Quit earHurts (Remote closed the connection) 11.04.01 Quit thu (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.04.01 NSplit calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 11.04.01 Quit Hadaka (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.04.01 Quit Hes (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.04.01 Quit mbr (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.04.01 Quit ricII (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.04.01 Quit matsl (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.04.01 Quit OliverKlozoff (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.04.01 Quit PsycoXul (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.04.01 Quit MT (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.04.01 Quit dwihno (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.04.01 Quit adi|home (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.15.59 NHeal calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 11.15.59 NJoin adi|home [0] (~adi|home@as5300-11.216-194-24-173.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) 11.15.59 NJoin dwihno [20] (dwihno@h193180246067.kommunicera.umea.se) 11.15.59 NJoin OliverKlozoff [0] (whatsit2u@user-2inimbh.dialup.mindspring.com) 11.15.59 NJoin MT [0] (mt@fido.impulsed.net) 11.15.59 NJoin PsycoXul [20] (psyco@adsl-67-123-43-216.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) 11.15.59 NJoin Hadaka [0] (naked@aka.pp.htv.fi) 11.15.59 NJoin matsl [0] (~matsl@dhcp101.contactor.se) 11.15.59 NJoin thu [0] (~thu@h24-87-64-169.vc.shawcable.net) 11.15.59 NJoin mbr [0] (~mb@stlx01.stz-softwaretechnik.de) 11.15.59 NJoin ricII [0] (~ricv@debianalpha.xs4all.nl) 11.15.59 NJoin Hes [0] (~hessu@hessu.zedi.sonera.fi) 12.04.10 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.39.34 Join Kuji [0] (~kuji@cuji.gotadsl.co.uk) 12.39.53 # hola 12.39.59 # hey badger.. 12.40.25 # hi 12.41.06 # you remember I was having the recording problems ?? missing record time etc ? maybe you dont.. heh 12.41.38 # anyway... It seems that the recorded file contains errors that RB ignores while playing.. but any other windows app I have found cannot handle 12.42.22 # I couldnt remember if it was you who was the recording dude.. hehe 12.42.35 # linus is the recording master 12.42.39 # I posted a bug report which should be killed, the change in mpeg version is due to the VBR 12.42.52 # but the file does have random errors.. 12.43.54 # is annoying me, as the original fw works, but RB recording screws up.. its quite odd.. I cant use the time split either as it doesnt chop properly... althought that does stop the bugs getting in if the recording is only 15mins. 12.44.50 # VBRfix just chops the file at the first error it finds. 12.45.30 # but yet, when playing from the RB it ignores the error and continues... Im wondering if maybe my JB encoder is screwing up.. 12.45.43 # a hw fault.. 13.14.32 Join LinusN [200] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 13.16.23 # Kuji: the recording bug you are experiencing might be a filesystem driver bug 13.16.53 # can you see any pattern regarding file size etc? 13.28.59 # hey linus 13.29.19 # there is no pattern to the bug... usually over 30mins 13.30.01 # if I record 15mins segments they are ok, but are not split correctly... if I record 30mins segments sometimes they are ok, yesterday the middle one screwed up half way 13.30.06 # I have the file if you would like it. 13.30.26 # it seems to happen after 30mins recording 13.30.59 # what is your cluster size? 13.31.18 Nick LinusN is now known as Linus|brb (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 13.31.30 # I will tell you now, I have tried formatting on XP, 2000, win 98 and ME.. 13.31.59 # check out the time split bug too !! hehe... its a bummer 13.41.41 Join Kuji_ [0] (~kuji@cuji.gotadsl.co.uk) 13.41.41 Quit Kuji (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.41.49 # arggh 13.42.01 # linus.. sorry bout that.. batteries on JB ran out as I was getting partinfo and it crashed machine 13.42.01 # hehe 13.42.20 # cluster size is currently 16k 13.42.47 # should I change cluster size ? 13.42.51 Nick Kuji_ is now known as kuji (~kuji@cuji.gotadsl.co.uk) 14.04.14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.27.09 # there is no "wrong" cluster size 14.27.19 # and 16k is ok 14.27.47 # it seems its only me getting these recording fuckups... 14.27.54 # any suggestions 14.28.17 # not really 14.28.25 # which rb version do you use? 14.28.33 # latest build 14.28.53 # time split bug? 14.28.57 # yeah 14.29.08 # if you record and set the split... the split is not accurate 14.29.16 # that is not a bug 14.29.23 # ie they dont join seamlessly.. 14.29.27 # it is a missing feature 14.29.42 # I find the next split usually has a second of the previous split on it 14.29.48 # the current split function is lame 14.29.52 # join with other prog 14.30.01 # useful as it stops the record fucking up.. 14.30.07 # but then cant join em back up heh 14.30.21 # and you should set the "independent frames" setting to "yes" 14.30.26 # it is 14.31.02 # the current split function is not even attempting to split accurately 14.31.08 # ahh ok. 14.31.12 # that would be why then 14.31.13 # it just stops the recording and restarts it 14.31.47 # do you think cluster size would make a difference ? 14.31.55 # i will write a better one when i find the time 14.32.03 # there is something going wrong and I cannot tell... 14.32.15 # dont want to have to use the archos record as thats flaky too.. 14.32.30 # kuji: yiu cuuld try to change the cluster size and see if the errors come in a different point in time 14.32.47 # what would be best, smaller or bigger 14.32.53 # bigger would be faster yes. 14.32.55 # bigger is better 14.33.09 # what can RB handle ... any idea ? 14.33.09 # i think you have found a bug 14.33.19 # rb can handle any size 14.33.21 # boo! 14.33.23 # ok 14.33.44 # i gotta go, cu later 14.33.51 Part Linus|brb 14.34.33 Part kuji 14.40.19 Quit OliverKlozoff (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 14.51.31 Join Jet8810 [0] (~Jet8810@adsl-34-221-14.bct.bellsouth.net) 15.00.47 Join Stevie[FreedomPa [0] (~whatsit2u@65.114.136.196) 15.14.42 Nick Stevie[FreedomPa is now known as Stevie[FP] (~whatsit2u@65.114.136.196) 16.04.16 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.04.22 # mehh 16.35.39 Nick dwihno is now known as dw|gone (dwihno@h193180246067.kommunicera.umea.se) 16.45.14 Join hardeep [0] (1098@208.247.65.237) 16.57.52 # * Stevie[FP] prays for some patience 17.04.13 Quit Bagder ("Client Exiting") 17.28.51 Join TotMacher [0] (tot@ip67.rsidus.riege.de) 17.41.39 Join mecraw_ [0] (~mecraw@69.2.235.2) 17.53.16 Join lgl [0] (~linus@h238n1fls22o1056.telia.com) 17.53.35 # yo. are we speaking english or swedish... 17.54.21 # lgl: english 17.54.29 # anybody out there? oh hi! 17.55.04 # well, I used to own a jb recorder 20, and using rockbox of course. 17.55.27 # then it got stolen and I'm thinking, either I buy a jb fm rec or a small flash-based player. 17.56.06 # i started digging through the mail archives (jumped off the list just last week actually) to get some info about the supportage of the fm recorder. 17.56.26 # and it seems pretty well supported and all, but now I'm looking for some input on how good it is. 17.56.32 # lgl: the fm recorder is fully supported 17.57.05 # so to make a long story short, does anyone here have anything to say about the fm recorder, pros, cons... 17.57.33 # lgl: i don't ave an fm recorder so can't comment 17.57.42 # hardeep: well, I saw that (except that the status page for the fm recorder says that radio isn't supported) 17.58.03 # lgl: fm radio is supported in the daily builds 17.58.06 # although, as I understand it there is no "retro record" which seems pretty nifty. 17.58.47 # lgl: no retro record _yet_ =) 17.59.03 # of course =) 17.59.42 # hum, ok, 'cause I saw some stuff on the battery, that the battery time isn't very good (might have changed tho') 17.59.52 # since it's a Li-Ion battery. 18.00.55 # it's a pretty tough decision. otherwise I'm thinking about a 256 MB, 37 grams flash-based player. 18.02.08 # lgl: you'll have to ask someone else that... although one of the negatives of the fm recorder is that the battery isn't easy to replace 18.03.09 # hardeep: hmm, yes that's true. although I like built-in batteries for some reason. 18.03.36 # but do archos sell it anymore? 'cause I can't find it on their site. 18.04.11 # battery time is excellent on the fm 18.04.19 # lgl: i dunno 18.04.19 # i dont know where these rumours come from 18.04.21 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.04.31 # i regularly get 10 hours from my fm 18.05.12 # i dont know what the old style recorders/players do with *stock* batteries, but i doubt its more 18.06.00 # MT: ok that's nice to hear! 18.06.13 # MT: I usually got 8-10 hours from my old recorder 18.06.23 # MT: yeah, that sounds about right on my recorder 18.06.26 # what else have you got to say about the fm? 18.06.38 # i never use the radio :D 18.06.41 # thats about it 18.06.56 # also the paint flakes off the back 18.07.00 # ok... it isn't flaky or bad form factor 18.07.07 # but i think thats a generic fm problem 18.07.08 # er 18.07.12 # s/fm/archos/ 18.07.24 # yup, i think that happened to my recorder 18.07.38 # it's nice that it's lighter than the recorder too. 18.07.54 # my model is one of the very early fms, the flap covering the battery is quite easy to dislodge 18.08.05 # but the more recent ones have it secured with a few screws 18.08.12 # which is good 18.08.31 # it takes a quite hard knock to dislodge it anyways on mine 18.11.16 # ok sounds good. 18.11.31 # oh well gotta go now. thanks for the info! I'll decide tomorrow. 18.11.32 Quit lgl ("[BX] Hanson uses BitchX. 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