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00.23.41 #       <tracktheripper> hellllllo
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00.56.04 #       <Santa_Cruz> someone speak up :-)
01.02.02 #       <BoD[]> mblelop
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02.57.18 #       <earHurts> How are you gentlemen !!
02.57.29 #       <earHurts> anyone awake?
02.59.53 #       <BoD[]> moi
03.00.05 #       <earHurts> great.
03.00.21 #       <earHurts> what do you know about the battery?
03.01.02 #       <BoD[]> it gives current to the unit
03.01.29 #       <earHurts> what about the code that calcs the battery level?
03.01.44 #       <BoD[]> :) I have no idea
03.01.48 #       <BoD[]> what do you want to know
03.02.10 #       <earHurts> it doesn't work as well as it could on the fm
03.02.30 #       <earHurts> I want to understand why.
03.02.44 #       <earHurts> is the volume linear?
03.03.14 #       <BoD[]> it is probably because the fm battery is different
03.03.27 #       <earHurts> yeah.
03.03.33 #       <BoD[]> and i'm not sure the coders actually have the unit to test their code
03.03.47 #       <earHurts> linus got an fm as a gift
03.04.54 #       <BoD[]> yeah but the battery code was perhaps not made by linux
03.04.55 #       <BoD[]> s
03.04.56 #       <BoD[]> :))
03.05.08 #       <earHurts> true
03.05.30 #       <earHurts> i think i shorted my battery
03.07.04 #       <BoD[]> you can't change it right ?
03.07.58 #       <earHurts> you can change it, but there are no replacements.
03.09.25 #       <earHurts> you have an fm?
03.10.18 #       <BoD[]> no i have a recorder 20
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03.10.48 #       <BoD[]> i had reboot problems so I replaced the batteries :) the good of it is that it's easy replacable
03.10.54 #       <BoD[]> but it's "big"
03.11.03 #       <earHurts> yeah' and yeah
03.11.23 #       <earHurts> i like the lion form factor
03.11.38 #       <earHurts> but running out of poer suxors
03.11.47 #       <BoD[]> :) true
03.11.49 #       <earHurts> power, even
03.12.17 #       <BoD[]> true2
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03.33.20 #       <Nooby> I don't have a archos player yet but can you guys answer some of my questions
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03.34.54 #       <Nooby> How long is battery life with rockbox firmware?
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03.35.30 #       <Nooby> 4Does the Archos function as an external drive
03.35.48 #       <Nooby> 8Is mp3 play gapless
03.36.22 #       <Nooby> Is anybody even here
03.37.13 #       <BoD[]> oui
03.37.35 #       <BoD[]> how long ... it doesn't depend on the rockbox or archos firmware
03.37.49 #       <BoD[]> yes it works fine as an external drive
03.38.12 #       <BoD[]> mp3 play is not gapless but i'm not really sure about this one :)
03.38.41 #       <Nooby> cool
03.38.57 #       <BoD[]> i mean
03.39.02 #       <BoD[]> it has gaps :)
03.39.07 #       <Nooby> I'm thinking of getting one of these used if I can find one
03.39.07 #       <BoD[]> but sometimes no
03.39.33 #       <BoD[]> if you can find a cheap recorder or fm i think it's worth it :)
03.39.55 #       <Nooby> oh yeah, what kind of quality can it record to
03.40.33 #       <Nooby> I heard vbr mp3; is that true
03.40.43 #       <BoD[]> it records mp3 vbr up to 320 44100
03.41.01 #       <Nooby> and the quality is good?
03.41.29 #       <BoD[]> well actually I only tried to record with the internal mic
03.41.52 #       <BoD[]> so the quality was not very good :) it's only a small mic
03.42.06 #       <BoD[]> but if you record with spdif i guess it's perfect
03.42.19 #       <Nooby> what spdif
03.42.26 #       <BoD[]> not "perfect" since it's mp3 but as good as any high bitrate mp3
03.42.53 #       <BoD[]> spdif? the digital plug
03.43.00 #       <Nooby> line-in?
03.43.10 #       <BoD[]> yes
03.43.53 #       <BoD[]> there's a "normal" line in and a digital one
03.44.29 #       <Nooby> that's good
03.44.37 #       <BoD[]> yup
03.45.19 #       <Nooby> is the sound quality good
03.45.50 #       <BoD[]> yes
03.46.09 #       <BoD[]> sometimes you can hear a low high pitch noise
03.46.44 #       <BoD[]> it's when the hard drive works I think and/or other components
03.46.59 #       <BoD[]> but it's very "low" ... some people don't notice it
03.47.08 #       <Nooby> that's normal with all hard drive players I think
03.47.19 #       <BoD[]> possible, i'm not sure
03.49.02 #       <Nooby> and how big is the archos? Do you have the dimensions or pictures in comparison to some other player?
03.49.36 #       <BoD[]> sorry i dont have such pictures.. you can find the dimensions on archos' web site :)
03.52.49 #       <BoD[]> i go to bed now ! see you
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03.53.58 #       <Nooby> Does anybody else here have any pictures in comparison to ipod or another mp3 player?
03.56.45 #       <Stevie-O> newp
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04.16.33 #       <earHurts> stevie?
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04.51.56 #       <Stevie-O> hmm
04.52.01 #       <Stevie-O> my stdio looks pretty std
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06.56.06 #       <thu> hmm rockbox is acting up on me
06.56.13 #       <thu> I guess I'd better grab the latest build
06.57.03 #       <thu> is it normal for the sound to go off with  Loudness at 10 and volume over 90%?
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10.15.59 DBUG    Enqueued KICK Bluechip
10.15.59 #       <Bluechip> 02mornin' all
10.20.52 #       <Bluechip> 02anyone in who knows how far the MAS decoding has got?
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10.22.31 #       <tracktheripper> morning
10.22.37 ***     Alert Mode level 1
10.22.37 #       <Bluechip> 02morning
10.23.12 ***     Alert Mode level 2
10.23.12 #       <Bluechip> 02waiting to see if anyone pops on with MAS knowledge - are you him?
10.24.02 #       <tracktheripper> don't know much about the mas except it converts mp3 into sound waves
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10.24.21 #       <Bluechip> 02:(, there seems talk of a programming language for it
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10.24.36 #       <Bluechip> 02...wondering if anyone has any working code for it - any at all
10.24.55 #       <tracktheripper> try asking Bjorn and co
10.25.00 #       <tracktheripper> or even Micronas :-)
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10.25.28 #       <Bluechip> 02I'm guessing that someone has contacted Micronas already
10.25.44 #       <tracktheripper> lol and got told to piss off :-)
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10.26.17 #       <Bluechip> 02really? :(
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10.26.27 #       <Bluechip> 02not surprising i guess
10.26.38 #       <tracktheripper> well, Micronas have an iron grip on the programming docs :-(
10.26.42 ***     Alert Mode level 8
10.26.42 #       <Bluechip> 02YOU WANT TO USE OUR CHIPS!!??
10.26.47 #       <tracktheripper> heehee
10.26.56 ***     Alert Mode level 9
10.26.56 #       <Bluechip> 02yeah, but it's RISC
10.26.56 #       <tracktheripper> I would love to have time streching on the Archos
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10.27.06 #       <Bluechip> 02RISC is simple by nature
10.27.24 ***     Alert Mode level 11
10.27.24 #       <Bluechip> 02spent the last three years working with it
10.27.28 #       <tracktheripper> cool
10.27.44 ***     Alert Mode level 12
10.27.44 #       <Bluechip> 02if we have ANY code for it, we may well be able to reverse it
10.27.46 #       <tracktheripper> Ive read somewhere a Terratec MP3 player uses the same MAS and it features time stretching
10.27.54 ***     Alert Mode level 13
10.27.54 #       <Bluechip> 02oooooohhhhhhhhh
10.27.58 ***     Alert Mode level 14
10.27.58 #       <Bluechip> 02do we have their firmware
10.28.07 #       <tracktheripper> dunno
10.28.10 #       <tracktheripper> i guess not
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10.28.28 #       <Bluechip> 02more options open up :)
10.28.33 #       <tracktheripper> heehee
10.28.47 #       <tracktheripper> there is one other design flaw with the FM recorder as well as the lack of SPDIF
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10.29.13 #       <Bluechip> 02you're joking - they took THAT out of the FM as well???
10.29.23 #       <tracktheripper> yea
10.29.29 #       <tracktheripper> theres no SPDIF on the FM Recorder
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10.29.32 #       <Bluechip> 02prats!
10.29.42 #       <tracktheripper> I think they were forced by the RIAA!
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10.29.50 #       <Bluechip> 02Oh!
10.29.56 ***     Alert Mode level 19
10.29.56 #       <Bluechip> 02lol
10.30.07 #       <tracktheripper> since the SPDIF on the Recorder can output as well as input
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10.30.12 #       <Bluechip> 02need cuppa T - will you still be here in 5 mins?
10.30.23 #       <tracktheripper> i expect so
10.30.39 #       <tracktheripper> And they put the headphone port on the SIDE rather than the TOP of the FM recorder
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10.30.52 #       <tracktheripper> so its harder to put in your pocket
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10.41.04 #       <Bluechip> 02yes, i noticed the socket when I looked at one in a shop - very weird
10.41.49 #       <Bluechip> 02I concluded that if I wanted a radio, i would buy a credit card radio and velcro it to the back of my recorder
10.43.21 #       <tracktheripper> :-)
10.43.28 #       <tracktheripper> and if you wanna record, just line in............
10.43.30 #       <tracktheripper> :-)
10.43.32 #       <tracktheripper> (-:
10.43.34 ***     Alert Mode level 1
10.43.34 #       <Bluechip> 02:)
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10.43.54 #       <Bluechip> 02does rockbox do the 30 second record buffer thing?
10.43.56 #       <tracktheripper> you do need a cable that has the 3.5mm jack on BOTH ends though
10.44.04 #       <tracktheripper> it does not :-(
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10.44.17 #       <Bluechip> 02my soldering is lousy, but I can make a cable up easily enough
10.44.36 #       <tracktheripper> but if you wanna glue a radio to ur Jukebox, you need 2 power sources
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10.44.36 #       <Bluechip> 02perhaps worth adding to the request list
10.44.38 #       <tracktheripper> 2 sets of batteries
10.44.39 #       <tracktheripper> :-)
10.44.49 #       <tracktheripper> you can buy such cables from Malpins
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10.45.02 #       <Bluechip> 02credit card fm radio's tend to work off a lithium button cell every year or so
10.45.12 #       <tracktheripper> hmm
10.46.32 #       <tracktheripper> bluechip there was a request sometime ago "Make the Player's LCD like the Recorder's LCD!"
10.47.34 ***     Alert Mode level 6
10.47.34 #       <Bluechip> 02check this: http://ohmslaw.com/radiokits.htm
10.47.43 #       <tracktheripper> :-)
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10.48.51 #       <Bluechip> 02as I understand, the lcd panel on the player does not have pixel addressing
10.49.38 #       <tracktheripper> well it has 22 character cells
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10.49.59 #       <Bluechip> 02what are the dimentions?
10.50.01 #       <tracktheripper> Bluechip don't laugh but check out this request and my comment
10.50.13 ***     Alert Mode level 9
10.50.13 #       <Bluechip> 02go4it...
10.50.37 #       <tracktheripper> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&group_id=44306&atid=439121&aid=622395
10.52.00 #       <tracktheripper> did u get it?
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10.52.06 #       <Bluechip> 02yep just reading
10.52.18 #       <tracktheripper> :-)
10.53.07 ***     Alert Mode level 11
10.53.07 #       <Bluechip> 02the real problem is WHAT to display?
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10.53.16 #       <Bluechip> 02a scan of a cd will look AWFUL
10.53.25 ***     Alert Mode level 13
10.53.25 #       <Bluechip> 02cd-cover
10.53.56 #       <tracktheripper> its the comment "squeeze an entire cover into one character cell :-) "
10.54.25 ***     Alert Mode level 14
10.54.25 #       <Bluechip> 02I agree with one of the posts ...produce a couple of images 64x112 so that the programmers would have something to display
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10.54.36 #       <Bluechip> 0264x112x2
10.55.57 #       <Hanzz> hi, does anyone know where the mp3-buffer gets filled in the rockbox source code ?
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10.57.07 #       <Bluechip> 02i'm only guessing here - mepc.c??
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10.57.11 #       <Bluechip> 02mpeg.c
10.58.51 #       <tracktheripper> bluechip ive gotta go
10.58.56 #       <tracktheripper> nice talking to ya
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10.58.58 #       <Bluechip> 02ok m8 - good chatting
10.58.59 #       <tracktheripper> have a nice day :-)
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10.59.03 #       <Bluechip> 02you too :)
10.59.04 #       <Hanzz> hmm, yes, definitely somethings happening there, thanks
10.59.07 #       <tracktheripper> ill be around later :-)
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10.59.22 #       <Bluechip> 02could grep for "open\("
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10.59.43 #       <Bluechip> 02Agent Ransack is 10/10 windows grep
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10.59.52 #       <Bluechip> 02freeware of course
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11.02.00 #       <Bluechip> 02you're right, though, its not obvious is it?
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11.04.34 #       <Bluechip> 02yep, mpeg.c ...file handle is "mpeg_file"
11.04.52 #       <Hanzz> well, i'm searching for the place were the buffer gets filled, it's the same place where the current status is stored on hd
11.05.35 #       <Hanzz> i'd like to log the battery levels to a file, so i could determine a unload-curve for it
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11.05.47 #       <Bluechip> 02nice one
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11.06.06 #       <Bluechip> 02why do you need the buffer_fill routine
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11.06.34 #       <Bluechip> 02maybe that is where you plan to add your code?
11.08.14 #       <Hanzz> i want to write to hd when it is running
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11.08.21 #       <Bluechip> 02yep, makes sense
11.08.29 #       <Hanzz> and it runs when it fills the buffer
11.08.49 #       <Hanzz> for the player at least, it also write the current playing position to hd
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11.09.29 #       <Bluechip> 02slightly o/t (but relevant) my editor will not spot procedure names prefixed with "static" can you do regular expressions - if i send what I have, can you reproduce it with "static" as a prefix
11.11.08 #       <Hanzz> sorry, i work under windows, i'm totally not good at regular expressions
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11.11.20 #       <Bluechip> 02same problem here :(
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11.11.26 #       <Bluechip> 02lol
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11.20.42 #       <Bluechip> 02mpeg.c line 1731, on daily build 20030616
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14.30.34 #       <Zagor> uh, my irc client has gone bonkers. brb
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14.30.40 #       <hanzz> q: when rockbox refills the mp3 buffer from hd, it also saves playing status on the HD, does anyone know where that code is ?
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14.59.52 #       <hanzz> another question : is there some counter in rockbox that keeps track of how many seconds it is on ?
15.03.43 #       <Zagor> hanzz: yes, although it bugs a bit
15.04.08 #       <Zagor> actually the "on" counter doesn't bug, but the "runtime" counter does slightly
15.04.26 #       <hanzz> do you know where the on counter is defined ?
15.04.48 #       <Zagor> the "on" counter is the clock tick, current_tick. it's defined in the kernel
15.05.01 #       <Zagor> it increases 100 times/s
15.05.51 #       <hanzz> ok, thanks
15.11.22 #       <Zagor> use the HZ define to split it into seconds
15.11.34 #       <Zagor> int seconds_on = current_tick / HZ;
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15.44.34 #       <hanzz> nice, it seems to work
15.44.43 #       <Zagor> what are you working on?
15.45.33 #       <hanzz> i'm logging the time and battery level to a file, so i can improve the battery status
15.45.37 #       <Zagor> ah
15.45.46 #       <hanzz> it is different for almost everyones batteries
15.46.06 #       <Zagor> check out globlal_settings.runtime too. it keeps track of runtime since last charge.
15.46.34 #       <hanzz> i now log the number of seconds since the last write to the log file
15.46.43 #       <hanzz> should be enough
15.46.57 #       <Zagor> but do you remember that across reboots?
15.47.10 #       <hanzz> nope
15.47.36 #       <hanzz> not yet
15.48.01 #       <hanzz> but a reboot can be detected with initialization of a variable to a certain value
15.49.05 #       <hanzz> i'll first let my archos run for a while, see what the data looks like
15.52.52 #       <hanzz> so, now reboots can be detected.
15.53.42 #       <hanzz> only have to write a (windows) program to update the table in powermgmt.c
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16.11.58 #       <hanzz> ...or let rockbox itself update the table, so battery status would keep improving by itself (little farfetched though)
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16.25.47 #       <Zagor> hi hardeep
16.27.45 #       <hardeep> heya Zagor... unusual to see you on a weekend. :)
16.28.11 #       <Zagor> yeah :)
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16.43.04 #       <thu> hey
16.43.12 #       <thu> I'm just leaving for a few days with my archos
16.43.18 #       <thu> what can I turn off to get longer battery life?
16.43.26 #       <thu> other than lcd backlight?
16.43.36 #       <hardeep> the music?
16.43.42 #       <Zagor> hehe
16.44.12 #       <thu> other than that
16.44.13 #       <hanzz> you could recode some things to lower bitrate....
16.44.23 #       <thu> heh too late for that
16.44.31 #       <hanzz> that'll give only a few percent anyway
16.44.51 #       <Zagor> thu: if it's a recorder, enable disk poweroff
16.44.56 #       <thu> it is
16.45.12 #       <thu> and I have it set but I found out that it seems to eat more battery than anything else
16.45.16 #       <thu> powering off/on that is
16.45.25 #       <thu> is it true?
16.45.26 #       <hanzz> do not browse much, just play, hd activity matters a lot
16.46.24 #       <thu> I see
16.46.28 #       <thu> do the sound settings matter?
16.46.31 #       <Zagor> no
16.46.55 #       <thu> btw would it help if I could turn off the lcd totally when playing?
16.47.01 #       <hanzz> hardly
16.47.03 #       <thu> I know I can't but I'm just wonderin
16.47.13 #       <thu> so I'm basically doomed, right?
16.47.17 #       <Zagor> the lcd only draws 1 mA or so
16.47.28 #       <thu> okay lemme make this short
16.47.32 #       <Zagor> bring spare batteries and a charger
16.47.34 #       <thu> is there any setting that would matter in the end?
16.47.45 #       <hanzz> disk spindown time maybe
16.47.47 #       <thu> what kind of batts does a recorder have?
16.47.54 #       <thu> hanzz: what would be optimum?
16.47.57 #       <thu> recorder fm that is
16.48.22 #       <hanzz> if you're mainly playing, set it to a few seconds
16.48.25 #       <Zagor> oh, then you're out of luck. those aren't replacable
16.48.59 #       <thu> heh thought so
16.49.18 #       <thu> okay.. thanks for the tips
16.49.32 #       <thu> I'll try hard to stay off the buttons.. maybe that will save a few mins of batt life
16.49.56 #       <hardeep> there might be some portable battery chargers that run off standard batteries...
16.50.16 #       <hardeep> i have one for my pda and it's come in handy a few times
16.50.20 #       <thu> heh.. maybe next time
16.51.11 #       <hanzz> 6 1.5v volt batteries in series should be able to give you one or 2 hours extra
16.51.22 #       <hanzz> (just connect to your charger input)
16.51.37 #       <hanzz> but a lot of energy gets lost in the charger circuit
16.52.16 #       <hardeep> are you going to a place with a lot of sun? http://www.solardyne.com/isporsolchar.html
16.52.23 #       <hardeep> that's pretty cool
16.53.35 #       <thu> I actually am
16.53.59 #       <thu> I don't have one of those solar chargers though
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17.15.54 #       <Zagor> whee
17.15.58 #       <Zagor> i just ran my first plugin
17.17.31 #       <Zagor> it's a whopping 100 bytes :-)
17.18.39 #       <hardeep> cool
17.20.06 #       <TBoy> cool
17.21.05 #       <hardeep> what did it do?
17.21.20 #       <Zagor> print "hello world" and exit :-)
17.21.45 #       <hardeep> laugh :)
17.22.08 #       <Zagor> i'll do the text reader now
17.23.39 #       <TBoy> hehe I'm having some problem compiling rb
17.26.10 #       <TBoy> it happens when it tries to convert the clR6x8.bdf file
17.26.39 #       <TBoy> to be specific
17.26.40 #       <TBoy> tools/convbdf -c -o /home/rockbox/sysfont.c fonts/clR6x8.bdf
17.26.40 #       <TBoy> make[1]: *** [/home/rockbox/sysfont.o] Error 255
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17.26.40 #       <TBoy> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/rockbox/firmware'
17.26.40 #       <TBoy> make: *** [firmware] Error 2
17.27.16 #       <TBoy> I just can't figure it out
17.27.30 #       <TBoy> and Quel couldn't think of a solution
17.27.49 #       <hardeep> that's the error when it can't find convbdf
17.27.56 #       <hardeep> does it exist in the tools directory?
17.28.01 #       <TBoy> but its there
17.28.31 #       <hardeep> where are you building from?
17.29.11 #       <TBoy> do you mean in what dir
17.29.15 #       <hardeep> yeah
17.29.28 #       <TBoy> its in home/rockbox
17.29.58 #       <TBoy> i'm using windows, cygwin
17.30.47 #       <hardeep> weird, doesn't build properly from root... create a 'build' directory and build from that
17.30.52 #       <hardeep> for now
17.31.19 #       <TBoy> ok
17.31.20 #       <hardeep> so 1. mkdir build 2. cd build 3. ../tools/configure
17.32.37 #       <TBoy> ok
17.36.05 #       <TBoy> hmm still doesn't wirk
17.36.39 #       <TBoy> wirk=work
17.36.52 #       <hardeep> what happens now?
17.36.58 #       <TBoy> the same thing
17.37.55 #       <hardeep> you're building from home/rockbox/build ?
17.38.26 #       <TBoy> yes
17.38.42 #       <TBoy> then I tried what you told me
17.38.47 #       <hardeep> and home/rockbox/tools/convbdf exists?
17.39.07 #       <TBoy> yes convbdf.exe
17.40.57 #       <hardeep> what's the convbdf command line now?
17.41.06 #       <TBoy> ???
17.41.25 #       <hardeep> when you do a build... what's the line where convbdf is being called?
17.41.54 #       <TBoy> tools/convbdf -c -o /build/sysfont.c fonts/clR6x8.bdf
17.42.04 #       <TBoy> thats the one, righto?
17.42.19 #       <hardeep> that means you're not building from rockbox/build
17.42.43 #       <hardeep> it should be ../tools/confbdf ...
17.43.01 #       <TBoy> hmm
17.43.07 #       <TBoy> ok
17.43.16 #       <TBoy> I try it again
17.43.23 #       <hardeep> start with fresh source
17.44.14 #       <TBoy> I appreciate you takin time to help me
17.46.19 #       <TBoy> now I'm buildin in rockbox/build
17.46.42 #       <TBoy> hmm
17.46.48 #       <TBoy> still says
17.46.49 #       <TBoy> tools/convbdf -c -o /rockbox/build/sysfont.c fonts/clR6x8.bdf
17.47.22 #       <hardeep> where is the tools directory?  rockbox/build/tools ?
17.47.28 #       <TBoy> yes
17.47.48 #       <hardeep> ah, heh...
17.48.03 #       <TBoy> what
17.48.15 #       <TBoy> sounds like you figured it out
17.48.18 #       <TBoy> :D
17.48.24 #       <hardeep> don't move everything into the build directory...
17.48.36 #       <TBoy> but?
17.49.54 #       <hardeep> follow the instructions here on how to build rockbox... see esp. where to create the build dir http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/how_to_compile.html
17.50.25 #       <hardeep> there's a bug in the Makefile... you can't build from root
17.50.34 #       <TBoy> oh
17.56.23 #       <TBoy> I used to be able to compile it
17.56.42 #       <TBoy> and then I used the dir usr/local/rockbox
18.00.12 #       <hardeep> okay, replace tools/configure with http://hardeeps.freeshell.org/patches/configure
18.00.21 #       <hardeep> build from wherever you want
18.01.08 #       <TBoy> hey thx man
18.01.26 #       <TBoy> do you use windows
18.01.40 #       <hardeep> yes, but this isn't a windows problem
18.02.22 #       <TBoy> i know 
18.02.26 #       <TBoy> just wondering
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18.17.35 #       <franz> anyone in there?
18.17.41 #       <hardeep> where?
18.18.13 #       <franz> inside my srcreen...
18.18.50 #       <franz> hi hardeep... do you know why my sokoban not longer works?
18.19.17 #       <hardeep> franz: what rockbox version are you using?
18.19.42 #       <franz> pretty new... like 20030623
18.20.05 #       <Zagor> food time
18.20.06 #       <hardeep> franz: update to latest.  then make sure yo copy the levels.txt file to /.rockbox/sokoban
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18.20.36 #       <franz> ahhh... it loads the levels... like it! where to get them?
18.20.50 #       <hardeep> http://rockbox.haxx.se/levels.txt
18.21.10 #       <franz> thanx maid!
18.21.18 #       <hardeep> er, maid?
18.21.43 #       <franz> yeah... i am in sydney...
18.22.09 #       <hardeep> oh, laugh
18.22.31 #       <franz> why is that funny?
18.22.47 #       <hardeep> i was laughing at the maid=mate thing
18.23.18 #       <franz> they are using it all the time here... it IS funny...
18.23.27 #       <telliott> hardeep. is 030602-2113 the latest "dynamic playlist" version?
18.24.01 #       <hardeep> telliott: uhm, i don't believe so.  the latest version is always at hardeeps.freeshell.org/dynamic
18.24.08 #       <hardeep> it's up to date with latest cvs
18.24.15 #       <franz> btw - i saw a recorder20 lately in a shop here - they charge you 999$ AUD
18.24.48 #       <hardeep> franz: fear, for a rec20?  even with the exchange that's obscene
18.25.08 #       <telliott> ok.  I'll get the latest version.
18.25.10 #       <hardeep> there selling for around $250 US nowadays
18.25.26 #       <franz> 250 us - where?
18.26.00 #       <hardeep> actually, amazon as it for $221.88
18.26.06 #       <hardeep> i'm sure you can find cheaper elsewhere
18.26.37 #       <franz> i have it allready... baught it 1.5 years ago... 400Euro
18.26.56 #       <hardeep> telliott: i haven't been sending mails to the mailing list but I've been keeping the patch up to date with latest cvs
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18.27.29 #       <hardeep> telliott: plus bug fixes...  the SF site has more info
18.28.16 #       <telliott> ok.  Thanks for your help with the dynamic playlist feature.  I love the ability to just toiss a few folders into the mix at random.
18.28.23 #       <telliott> toss
18.32.18 #       <hardeep> hopefully it gets into the mainline soon. :)
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18.42.27 #       <telliott> Is it possible to insert the current file/folder into the dynamic playlist with a long-press on play?
18.47.38 #       <hardeep> telliott: certainly possible, but probably won't happen.  That was the original way I had implemented queuing but it had been changed to the current ON+PLAY method
18.50.38 #       <telliott> What;s the problem with long-play?  I like having the menu opeions in on-play also.
18.53.50 #       <hardeep> telliott: Zagor didn't really like the idea of time-based button presses
18.54.14 #       <hardeep> telliott: if you do want to see it, post it as a feature request if/when this patch goes in
18.54.42 #       <telliott> ok.
18.56.50 #       <telliott> I guess you had the best solution since "time-based button presses" can be confusing, especially on the go.
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19.15.30 #       <dionoea> the link in the sidenews.net sidebar is wrong. it should be something like http://rockbox.haxx.se/digest/digest.htm instead of .../digest/recent.htm
19.15.49 #       <dionoea> btw, thanks for the great jobs u guys are doing
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20.12.10 #       <Zagor> whee, tetris now runs as a plugin
20.33.18 #       <Zagor> ugh, player icons are defined in the lcd driver. bueh!
20.37.28 Ctcp    Ignored 3 channel CTCP requests in 13 hours and 51 minutes at the last flood
20.37.28 #       * Zagor draws a power plug icon
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20.59.53 #       <Zagor> -rwxrwx---    1 bjst     bjst        10628 Jun 28 20:51 plugins/tetris.rock
21.00.30 #       <Hes> Ooooh!
21.01.08 #       <Hes> Awesome.
21.02.16 #       <Zagor> i wonder where we should put them all?
21.02.27 #       <Hes> .rockbox/rocks/ ?
21.02.39 #       <Hes> That sounds nice when you put it that way.
21.02.43 #       <Zagor> until the .rockbox browser patch is merged, putting them in .rockbox means people will have to turn on "show files: all" to run plugins
21.02.51 #       <Zagor> really nice path, yes :-)
21.03.38 #       <Zagor> otoh, just adding plugin_load("/.rockbox/rocks/tetris.rock") in the menu isn't too hard...
21.03.54 #       <Hes> I'd guess it would be nice to scan the rocks directory and put the items in the menu dynamically
21.04.18 #       <Zagor> yes. there's a patch to do that for .wps, .cfg and fonts etc. so this will fit right in.
21.04.59 #       <Hes> maybe the rocks could contain some "readable name" identifier
21.05.14 #       <Hes> which could be used in the menu instead of the filename
21.06.05 #       <Zagor> or we just force people to name the rocks properly :)
21.06.25 #       <Hes> Yeah. Getting the case right for short strings seems a bit hard on FAT, though.
21.07.06 #       <Zagor> i'm also envisioning some sort of plugin registry, for things like file viewers.
21.07.36 #       <Zagor> so there's a "view" entry in the on+play menu, which will give you a list of available viewers to use
21.07.47 #       <Zagor> hex, text, image, id3 or whatever
21.10.27 #       <Hes> That would make sense.
21.10.45 #       <Hes> Did I tell you that I'm happy with rockbox stability with motorcycle now?
21.11.25 #       <Hes> I think the hard disk read error handling code is quite ok at the moment, I did some extensive motorcycle driving suit testing during the last couple weeks
21.11.44 #       <Hes> Went to barcelona and back in a couple weeks, I think I had two playback stops while driving which were not due to dead batteries.
21.11.50 #       <Zagor> interesting. i can't think of anything special we've done to it...
21.12.08 #       <Hes> One recovered after some 10-20 seconds, the other was probably because of no keylock and the pause button got pressed, and before I stopped the idle timer shut it off.
21.12.19 #       <Hes> Thought it might be my new driving suit has a better pocket 8-)
21.12.36 #       <Zagor> hehe
21.12.47 #       <Hes> But I doubt that. It's just so much better with my hard disk than last summer.
21.13.13 #       <Hes> And this was _heavy_ testing at various speeds, day-long drives, 5500 km.
21.13.38 #       <Hes> I'm running CVS-030401.
21.14.22 #       <Zagor> ok
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21.22.06 #       <Lynx0> Hi!
21.23.30 #       <hardeep> hello
21.24.26 #       <Lynx0> Just got my recorder 20 today :-)
21.25.03 #       <hardeep> Lynx0: nice, make sure you install rockbox :)
21.25.19 #       <Lynx0> already did, of course. 
21.25.28 #       <Lynx0> and I already have a question....
21.25.51 #       <Lynx0> what is the standard font? I changed it, and now can't recognize which one the standard one is...
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21.27.08 #       <hardeep> Lynx0: rockbox_default.fnt
21.27.41 #       <Lynx0> hmm, mussed have missed that one...pretty self-explanatory ;-)
21.41.27 #       <Lynx0> Rockbox is really nice :)
21.44.55 #       <Zagor> did you ever run the stock firmware? ;)
21.47.02 #       <Lynx0> Yes, for 5 minutes ;)
21.47.24 #       <Zagor> hehe
21.47.26 #       <Lynx0> I only considered buying it after finding out about rockbox
21.48.50 #       <Lynx0> I don't think there's any other device out there that lets you use custom fonts...
21.50.04 #       <Lynx0> Is there a way to check what's in the queue?
21.50.04 #       <Zagor> hehe, no that's a rather uncommon feature. the 19 supported languages too, and the configurable wps
21.50.25 #       <Zagor> not really. joining the developer list is the only real way.
21.50.35 #       <Lynx0> yes, I'll have to look into the wps config later on
21.51.01 #       <Lynx0> sorry, i meant the queue rockbox queue, on the player
21.51.09 #       <Zagor> you can of course look in the feature request list (http://rockbox.haxx.se/requests.shtml). many of those will happen sooner or later.
21.51.14 #       <Zagor> oh :-)
21.51.22 #       <Zagor> no, you can't look in that yet
21.51.57 #       <Zagor> i expect with plugins a playlist viewer/editor will not be long
21.52.27 #       <Lynx0> plugins? are they supported now, or is that a feature to be implemented?
21.52.34 #       <Zagor> i'm working on it right now
21.53.11 #       <Lynx0> cool. I wish I knew more about this kind of stuff.
21.53.30 #       <Zagor> it's never too late to learn...
21.53.56 #       <Lynx0> Yes, but there's also never enough time ;)
21.54.03 #       <Zagor> hehe, true
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21.55.07 #       <Lynx0> Does it matter if i keep the ajbrec.ajb file on the hd? Does take longer to boot if it has to load the firmware into rom?
21.56.40 #       <Zagor> you have to keep it. it is loaded at every boot.
21.57.31 #       <Lynx0> Ah, I thought I read somewhere if it's not there the one in rom from last boot is used.
21.58.06 #       <Zagor> yes, and the one in rom is archos' firmware. we never change the rom.
21.58.53 #       <Lynx0> Ok, that's how it works...
21.58.59 #       <Zagor> yup
21.59.47 #       <Zagor> there's an effort to explore the possibility of burning Rockbox into rom, but its only in the research stage yet
22.00.56 #       <Lynx0> So the rom can be changed without taking the thing apart? Is that what the official firmware updates do?
22.02.42 #       <Zagor> no, the official updates use the same method we do: a file on disk
22.03.00 #       <Zagor> it appears most units can be reflashed without taking it apart. not all though.
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22.06.42 #       <Lynx0> Man, if only the firmware coders from companys were this responsive ... and competent
22.07.51 #       <Zagor> well to be fair we don't have to make a profit
22.08.50 #       <Zagor> wormlet is now a plugin too
22.09.02 #       <Lynx0> ok, but still. Some devices barely work because of the firmware. Like my NEC DVD burner...
22.09.21 #       <Lynx0> Umm, so it's a seperate file?
22.09.32 #       <Zagor> yeah, i know. there's a line where bad firmware becomes bad for your business.
22.09.54 #       <Zagor> right. i'm picking off the games and demos right now, extracting them into separate files called "rocks"
22.10.14 #       <Zagor> it's a word joke: a box of rocks = rockbox
22.10.44 #       <Lynx0> And it's just a really bad feeling sitting there with some expensive hardware, which could be better through a few hours / days of coding, but the company just doesn't bother
22.11.11 #       <Lynx0> Let me guess, the ending is *.roc ? ;)
22.11.21 #       <Zagor> no, *.rock
22.11.41 #       <Lynx0> Even better :)
22.12.11 #       <Zagor>  11K Jun 28 21:45 tetris.rock
22.12.16 #       <Zagor> 7.6K Jun 28 22:05 wormlet.rock
22.13.08 #       <Lynx0> With plugin support all kinds of features are probably going to appear.
22.13.29 #       <Zagor> yeah, hopefully
22.13.33 #       <Lynx0> Is it known how widespread the studio/recorders are?
22.13.50 #       <Zagor> not in exact numbers, but they are fairly common
22.19.22 #       <Lynx0> Well, thanks a lot!
22.19.34 #       <Lynx0> cu
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22.21.31 #       <Hes> I'm writing a web-manageable version of my photo album browser so that my friends can upload their photos too...
22.21.46 #       <Zagor> cool
22.22.09 #       <Hes> they like the browsing interface but don't do enough unix to upload/rescale/edit php browser's config files 8-)
22.22.56 #       <Zagor> get new friends ;-P
22.24.43 #       <Hes> I enjoy non-hacker friends too 8-)  especially friends that do music well
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22.49.22 #       <nooby> Does anybody have pics that compare the size of the archos with an ipod or some other mp3 player?
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22.50.50 #       <Lynx0> hi again...
22.50.59 #       <Lynx0> I have another question :)
22.51.29 #       <Lynx0> What's this remote that's mentioned on the website?
22.51.57 #       <Zagor> nooby: not that i know of
22.52.16 #       <Zagor> Lynx0: it's a wired remote that goes between your headphones and the archos
22.52.27 #       <Zagor> for players/recorders only. not fm recorder.
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22.52.49 #       <Lynx0> Is it available from archos?
22.52.58 #       <Zagor> yes, in their travel kit
22.54.01 #       <Lynx0> 35 euro? Hmm, thats a lot...
22.54.20 #       <Zagor> yeah, they bundle it with a lot of gunk that few people want...
22.54.41 #       <Lynx0> Yes...damn, the remote would be really cool. I already missed that.
22.56.57 #       <nooby> zagor:You're one of the main developers right?
22.57.03 #       <Zagor> yes
22.57.25 #       <nooby> what new features are you guys working on, i'm just curious
22.57.45 #       <Zagor> i'm writing a plugin loading system right now
22.58.17 #       <nooby> what would that be good for?
22.59.12 #       <Zagor> it means all the extras such as games and demos etc will not take up space in ram but instead be loaded on demand
22.59.26 #       <nooby> cool
23.00.04 #       <Zagor> it also means people can write stuff for rockbox more easily. you don't have to wait for us to merge it into the main rockbox source.
23.00.18 #       <nooby> do you think there will ever be any support for any other codecs other than mp3?
23.00.28 #       <Lynx0> now the whole thing always goes into ram, right?
23.01.40 #       <Zagor> yes
23.01.44 #       <Zagor> nooby: no
23.02.21 #       <Lynx0> is the ram for the firmware the same, the 2 mb that are used for buffering?
23.02.29 #       <Zagor> yes
23.03.13 #       <Lynx0> so, it would theoretically be possible to use 1 mb ram, althought battery life would go down by half?
23.03.26 #       <Zagor> Lynx0: exactly
23.03.55 #       <Lynx0> how much ram does the current version use?
23.04.06 #       <nooby> but if you do that 8mb ram upgrade, how much extra battery life do you get
23.04.41 #       <Zagor> about 30% extra is what I've heard
23.05.12 #       <Zagor> or maybe it was a bit more, but as far as I remember it didn't even double the time
23.05.26 #       <Zagor> i haven't tried it myself
23.06.16 #       <Lynx0> 10 hours is enough for me, I think.
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23.10.01 #       <Triple-z> sup lads?
23.10.25 #       <Zagor> i'm having a very strange bug in my new plugin loader
23.10.42 #       <Zagor> rockbox->lcd_puts() works, *most* of the time!
23.12.02 #       <Lynx0> cu guys...
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23.14.39 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Any MAS expert around?
23.14.48 #       <Zagor> i need linus' gdb-enabled recorder...
23.15.03 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I have one.
23.15.24 #       <Zagor> feel like helping find a plugin problem?
23.15.55 #       <Triple-z> anyone know if there is a cue file support in the future?
23.16.04 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Dunno if I can, gdb is unreliable for me under Windows.
23.16.10 #       <Zagor> ok
23.16.20 #       <Zagor> Triple-z: only if someone writes it :-)
23.16.24 #       <[IDC]Dragon> What do you wanna test?
23.17.07 #       <Zagor> i have a very wierd problem: in wormlet, the text is shown on the first screen (pre-play) but not on the second screen (in game)
23.17.18 #       <Zagor> it's the same function
23.17.31 #       <[IDC]Dragon> How could I help?
23.17.59 #       <Zagor> setting a breakpoint at the address of the call and see what is passed to it
23.18.17 #       <[IDC]Dragon> OK, can try that. 
23.18.27 #       <Zagor> ok, i'll fix a tarball
23.18.38 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Is there a way to disable much of those traces?
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23.19.02 #       <[IDC]Dragon> That seems to flood gdb under Windows.
23.19.35 #       <Zagor> yes, comment out DEBUGF and LDEBUGF in firmware/export/debug.h
23.22.35 #       <nooby> in what language (c, c++) is rockbox compiled under
23.22.49 #       <Zagor> nooby: mostly c with some parts in assembler
23.26.17 #       <nooby> thanks
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23.28.24 #       <Zagor> [IDC]Dragon: http://rockbox.haxx.se/test/plugintest.tar.gz
23.29.33 #       <Zagor> build it from your normal build dir, copy the .ajz and the .rock files to your archos.
23.29.36 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Got it.
23.29.54 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Is it a debug build?
23.30.16 #       <Zagor> boot the new ajz and select tetris.rock, then ^C your gdb and set a breakpoint on lcd_puts. then continue gdb and press play on the archos
23.30.38 #       <Zagor> it's a source tree, just apps and firmware
23.30.59 #       <Zagor> make a new build dir as normal
23.32.57 #       <[IDC]Dragon> OK, please standby...
23.35.27 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Should I configure the makefile for games and demos? (need some space for debug build)
23.35.40 #       <Zagor> no you can skip those
23.38.45 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I get a build error in the plugin dir
23.39.14 #       <[IDC]Dragon> make[2]: Entering directory `/home/Jörg/rockbox_plugin/apps/plugins'
23.39.14 #       <[IDC]Dragon> make[2]: *** No rule to make target `1'.  Stop.
23.39.14 #       <[IDC]Dragon> make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/Jörg/rockbox_plugin/apps/plugins'
23.39.14 DBUG    Enqueued KICK [IDC]Dragon
23.39.14 #       <[IDC]Dragon> make[1]: *** [rocks] Error 2
23.39.14 #       <[IDC]Dragon> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/Jörg/rockbox_plugin/apps'
23.39.14 ***     Alert Mode level 1
23.39.14 #       <[IDC]Dragon> make: *** [apps] Error 2
23.39.29 #       <Zagor> target "1"??
23.39.34 #       <Zagor> weird
23.40.07 #       <[IDC]Dragon> there's no such file
23.41.23 #       <[IDC]Dragon> is ../tools/cofigure still OK for your new stuff?
23.41.27 #       <Zagor> yes
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23.43.35 #       <Zagor> there's no such file and no such target. quite odd.
23.44.55 #       <[IDC]Dragon> how about a package including your object code?
23.45.01 #       <Zagor> ok
23.47.56 #       <Zagor> ah, found the error. in apps/Makefile the rocks: target has a command line which include $(DEBUG) alone. it should be: DEBUG=$(DEBUG)
23.49.15 ***     Alert Mode OFF
23.49.30 #       <Zagor> that should fix your build
23.50.13 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Yes.
23.50.19 #       <[IDC]Dragon> (it did)
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23.51.58 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Let's see if I have to disable the traces...
23.53.24 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Hmm, freezes after the splash screen, gdb hangs. I'll try without.