--- Log for 05.07.103  Server: sterling.freenode.net  Channel: #rockbox
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00.09.08 Join    earHurts [0] (~zic@pool-138-88-169-239.res.east.verizon.net)
00.09.29 #       <earHurts> how are yiu gentlemen !!
00.11.39 #       <hardeep> earHurts: heya earHurts...  are you still having problems with the dynamic playlist stuff?
00.12.29 #       <earHurts> uh, probably. I haven't had an opportunity to try any other builds
00.15.04 #       <hardeep> oh, okay.
00.15.10 #       <earHurts> I,m going to see what the latest build does for me
00.15.31 #       <hardeep> yeah, i can't reproduce it and no one else has reported it
00.16.12 #       <earHurts> how easy is it to call dynamic playlist functions without the dp gui?
00.17.29 #       <hardeep> earHurts: all exported functions are in apps/playlist.h
00.18.06 #       <earHurts> when I first got archos ai was disappointed abd durprised playing a directory judt listed it
00.18.34 #       <earHurts> surprised, even
00.19.02 #       <earHurts> can I use dp to get that functionality?
00.21.13 #       <hardeep> earHurts: sure, just call playlist_insert_directory()
00.22.16 #       <earHurts> how do I override the recursive setting?
00.22.36 #       <hardeep> earHurts: see the arguments to insert_directory
00.23.16 #       <earHurts> nice forward thinking api, hardeep
00.24.17 #       <earHurts> this will address much of what i weant in the gui
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00.32.31 #       <Sparks> is it possible to lock the keypad during recording? - i cant seem to do it :S
00.33.19 #       <hardeep> Sparks: i don't believe you can do it currently
00.33.32 #       <Sparks> :(
00.33.58 #       <hardeep> Sparks: you may want to make a feature request if there isn't one already
00.34.56 #       <Sparks> ...just checking for one!
00.35.03 #       <hardeep> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&group_id=44306&atid=439121&aid=700253
00.35.25 #       <Sparks> also, would it be possible to put "irc://irc.freenode.net/rockbox" on the IRC part of the web page so it is much quicker to connect!
00.36.14 #       <hardeep> Sparks: it's certainly possible... post a request on the mailing list
00.37.37 #       <Sparks> it would be VERY useful!
00.39.11 #       <Sparks> as would the keylock when recording (secret recording with the Arcos in a pocket, for example!)
00.39.24 #       <ClosetPacifist> :) that's fun!
00.39.35 #       <ClosetPacifist> heh, recorded a wedding a while back
00.42.58 #       <Sparks> I have been recording some meetings @ work, due to the fact we are relocating and have had the personell managers talking to us - it would be much nicer to not have to worry about pressing buttons accedently!
00.50.12 #       <Stevie-O> Use the Source, Luke
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00.58.50 #       <devZer0> hi there!  sparks: i tried your link and indeed it makes things much quicker. :)
01.03.02 #       <Sparks> ;)
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01.03.36 #       <Sparks> u using mIRC?
01.04.19 #       <devZer0> didn`t know that i can start irc session so easily from a webbrowser. i`m using mirc - did mirc install a special "handler" for that? is this a mirc "speciality" or do irc clients usually do so? what happens on linux ?
01.04.49 #       <Sparks> not sure, that was why I was asking if you were on mIRC (Like I am)
01.05.33 #       <devZer0> it would be interesting if other irc clients can handle this, too.
01.05.36 #       <Sparks> anyone know of a good place to get a Fujutsu MHS2060AT from?
01.05.48 #       <Sparks> (good=cheap!)
01.07.13 #       <devZer0> mhhh - what is your "reference pricing"?
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01.08.00 #       <Sparks> cheapest I have seen is GBP155
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01.10.13 #       <MT> is that a 60gb drive?
01.10.21 #       <ClosetPacifist> marf... getting stuff like 'lib1funcs.asm:60:Unknown pseudo-op: .global' when I try to compile now on OSX... think I've ran google dry...
01.10.22 #       <Sparks> yep
01.10.27 #       <devZer0> thats very expensive!
01.10.49 #       <MT> do you absolutely require 60gb
01.10.59 #       <MT> 40gb would be much cheaper
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01.11.47 #       <Sparks> MHR2040AT = £90
01.12.05 #       <devZer0> Fujitsu MHS2060AT 60,0 GB 12/2048/4200 U-100 IDE 
01.12.12 #       <devZer0> 173.19 EUR
01.12.17 #       <devZer0> here in germany
01.12.52 #       <Sparks> I use the Jukebox as file storage for backing up peoples PC's etc. (I am an IT Engineer) - so the bigger the better!
01.13.19 #       <telliott> My 1 year warrenty is up in August..  I'm joping I can upgrade the hard drive in my AJR20.
01.13.28 #       <devZer0> thats 119.361 GBP
01.14.50 #       <Sparks> i need to find some other suppliers then!
01.15.27 #       <devZer0> www.mix-computer.de seems to have it in stock for that price
01.16.34 #       <MT> £133.27+VAT from redstore.com
01.16.47 #       <telliott> I just saw the new video from Joerg.  I can't wait till we can boot Rockbox from RAM.
01.16.59 #       <MT> ROM
01.17.06 #       <telliott> ROM
01.18.16 #       <MT> Sparks: if you really want it just for backing up peoples stuff, you could get a 120GB USB2 drive *complete* for less than just your 60gb replacement hd
01.18.54 #       <devZer0> telliott: me too :)
01.18.57 #       <MT> http://www.redstore.com/fx/techinfo.php?itm_code=LACSTO011
01.21.07 #       <devZer0> 60.0 GB 2.5" IDE HDD-ATA5-4200U/Min-13mS-9.5mm - 169,00 EU  @www.berger-daten.de  don`t know the model
01.23.02 #       <devZer0> that guy sold archos-boxes for a long time. he also sold "tuned" ones - with 60gb drive inside
01.23.40 #       <Sparks> MT: - its cheaper from http://www.bluepoint.net/fx/techinfo.php?itm_code=LACSTO011
01.24.04 #       <devZer0> bought mine there a while ago - toshiba 60gb and it works very well since then....
01.24.42 #       <Sparks> MT: a whole 62p :)
01.25.34 #       <devZer0> :D
01.25.53 #       <Sparks> MT: It is a good idea, but I do prefer only having one box to carry arond, and the Archos has the battery if there are no power points!
01.28.28 #       <ClosetPacifist> yay! s/.global/.globl/ fixes that...
01.29.18 #       <Sparks> has anyone here got the FM?
01.30.56 #       <Sparks> i have the FM here, and have just tried plugging in my power supply for my iPAQ (seems to have the same connector) - my battery level is now cycling between 0 34 68 100 - I dont have the proper PSU to hand (It's at work)...is this normal!
01.31.45 #       <Sparks> (I just upgraded to a newer version of Rockbox (I had a May version previously) and didnt remember seeing it do this before
01.32.56 #       <ClosetPacifist> might be the charge-graphic-moving-thingy
01.33.32 #       <devZer0> yes - this is new afaik
01.37.01 #       <ClosetPacifist> anyone have any ideas on how to fix stuff like this: "Invalid mnemonic 'rotcl'" when compiling the cross-compiler? also get it with rts, shar, shlr16, etc
01.39.20 #       <devZer0> no - can`t help - sorry.
01.41.27 #       <devZer0> sparks:  when you upgrade your archos hdd - there are very nice & tiny usb 2.0 aluminium cases out there. very cheap ! http://www.cks-computer.de/cgi-bin/onlineshop/frontkunde/shop_main.cgi?func=det&wkid=4423381&rub1=Geh%E4use&rub2=USB-Geh%E4use&artnr=GEH-U1006&pn=0
01.42.19 #       <devZer0> i don`t think you want to throw away the old hdd :)
01.45.53 #       <ClosetPacifist> OOPS! was putting linus's path in my PATH variable, not mine...
01.47.01 #       <Sparks> devZer0 - that sounds like a very good idea! :)
01.47.30 #       <Sparks> do you know if the USB port will power them, or do you need another wall wart?
01.48.14 #       <devZer0> wooow. beautiful: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3421121109&category=3708
01.48.27 #       <devZer0> that depends
01.48.41 #       <devZer0> on my notebook, the port has enough power
01.48.50 #       <devZer0> @work i need additional power supply.
01.49.17 #       <devZer0> you can put an adapter between keyboard plug as power supply
01.50.50 #       <devZer0> nice stuff @ebay :) http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?cgiurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2F&krd=1&from=R8&MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&ht=1&SortProperty=MetaEndSort&query=usb+2.5+hdd
01.53.01 #       <Sparks> oohh, and it's bloooooo :P
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01.54.15 #       <devZer0> it`s a small blue from big blue :D
01.54.29 #       <devZer0> a beautiful small blue from ugly big blue :D
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01.55.15 #       <Sparks> eh, you lost me there!
01.56.47 #       <tracktheripper> hi
01.56.56 #       <ClosetPacifist> ello
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01.59.05 #       <Sparks> devZer0 - do you know the height of the existing HDD in the FM?
02.00.36 Quit    telliott (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
02.00.45 #       <ClosetPacifist> hmm... that didn't fix it...
02.02.27 #       * ClosetPacifist wonders if the binutils version is incompatible with the gcc version.
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02.05.41 #       <devZer0> sparks - no, i don`t - but isn`t that a regular 9.5mm one?
02.06.00 #       <earHurts> it's regular
02.06.16 #       <Sparks> okay :)
02.06.22 #       <earHurts> I was able to replace mine with a normal laptop hdd
02.07.01 #       <earHurts> 60GB
02.07.09 #       <Sparks> i was just looking at http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3421121109&category=3708http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3421121109&category=3708http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3421121109&category=3708http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3421121109&category=3708 and it clearly states it will only work with the 9.5mm ones
02.07.39 #       * thu is back (Gone: all day)
02.07.43 #       <earHurts> 9.5 is normal, 8 think
02.07.43 #       <Sparks> whoops, i posted the URL twice
02.07.51 #       <thu> Sparks: maybe you want to look at tinyurl.com too :)
02.08.13 #       <Sparks> yea, that wud have been better! :D
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02.08.41 #       <Sparks> it was supposed to be just http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3421121109
02.08.59 #       <Sparks> got knows how I managed to paste it multiple times :/
02.09.07 #       <thu> darn.. cable is slow during the day
02.09.15 #       <earHurts> I didn't de-solder when I replaced mine, but you might want to
02.09.49 #       <Sparks> how did you swap without desoldering then?
02.10.10 #       <earHurts> I folded the top and bottom of the back plate down
02.10.29 #       <Sparks> did it leave a crease in the metal then?
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02.10.41 #       <earHurts> folding the bottom down was a mistake; you should be able to avoid doing so
02.11.10 #       * thu thinks upgrading his archos' drive is not worth it
02.11.23 #       <earHurts> it did leave a crease; I would suggest if you do it, you attempt to fold at the existing bend
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02.11.42 #       <Sparks> i might just desolder it!
02.11.51 #       <earHurts> I have 22GB of music on it, it's worth it
02.12.02 #       <thu> lol
02.12.11 #       <thu> hardly :)
02.12.20 #       <Sparks> i have a 20 gig disk, and 30 gigs of music, so it is worth it!
02.12.39 #       <Sparks> and I use it for file transfers between PC's!
02.13.04 #       <thu> I'm doing fine dragging just < 20G around
02.13.44 #       <earHurts> if you fold down the top, you can reach a small screwdriver in through the bottom to pop out the hdd
02.13.48 #       <Sparks> it is also usefull for "backing up" a friends DVD collection :P
02.14.00 #       <thu> too slow :P
02.14.14 #       <thu> I use it at lan partys.. last time I backuped around 15G of music
02.14.26 #       <earHurts> the hdd is insulated with a piece of sticky plastic. be sure to  transfer it to the new drive
02.14.40 #       <thu> mm I have about 70G of mp3s on my drive now
02.14.49 #       <Sparks> i think I will just desolder :D
02.14.54 #       <thu> I guess I would need an 80G upgrade drive 
02.15.09 #       <earHurts> be sure the drive is completely insulated, as the battery connects to the back plate
02.15.18 #       <Sparks> what is the biggest 2.5" disk avalable now?
02.15.26 #       <thu> 80?
02.15.32 #       <Sparks> do u have the FM?
02.15.34 #       <thu> anything over would probably be really expensive
02.15.38 #       <thu> I do
02.15.40 #       <Sparks> (earHurts)
02.15.44 #       <thu> he doesn't 
02.15.46 #       <thu> iirc
02.15.50 #       <earHurts> I have an fm
02.15.53 #       <Sparks> lol
02.15.56 #       <thu> okay I don't rc
02.16.25 #       <thu> bleh I don't know what I'm talkin about
02.16.25 #       <Sparks> what iirc mean? (I never worked that one out!)
02.16.29 #       <thu> I'll go eat 
02.16.42 #       <thu> [Linux] thu@dusty thu $ wtf is iirc
02.16.42 #       <thu> IIRC: if I recall correctly
02.16.45 #       <Sparks> ah!
02.16.46 #       <earHurts> it means if I recall correctly, iirc
02.16.48 #       <Sparks> ta
02.18.26 #       <Sparks> any idea when the rockbox flash will be avalable for the FM for the masses?
02.18.39 #       <Sparks> 3second boot really appeals!
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02.25.56 #       <devZer0> n8 guys. gonna sleep
02.27.37 #       <Sparks> night night :D
02.27.51 #       <Sparks> devZer0 - u in the UK?
02.28.51 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Phew! My firmware flashing plugin works!
02.29.52 #       <[IDC]Dragon> So the box can flash itself, without mod.
02.30.01 #       <Sparks> :) that is very good news!
02.30.48 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Expect a first release for the recorder very soon (mask 0x0302 preferred).
02.30.52 #       <Sparks> if one was to kill the flash area (erase it, for example - would it be possible to recover it?
02.31.17 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Yes, but then you need the UART boot mod and the serial mod.
02.31.32 #       <Sparks> okay
02.31.39 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Nothing for the masses.
02.31.44 #       <Sparks> what does mask 0x0302 preferred mean?
02.32.12 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I've only tested it for that so far. (see debug->HW info)
02.32.37 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Those flags decide on some hardware differences.
02.32.44 #       <Sparks> okay, my FM is mask 0x0304
02.32.54 #       <Sparks> ...is that bad!
02.33.04 #       <Stevie-O> oh no
02.33.07 #       <Stevie-O> 0x0304?
02.33.17 #       <Stevie-O> run away BEFORE IT EXPLODES!
02.33.27 #       <Sparks> ahhhhhh!!!!!!#BOOOOMMMMM
02.33.32 #       <Sparks> :P
02.33.36 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Different story. Before flashing the FM, we'd need a developer volunteering to do those mods.
02.33.52 #       <Sparks> is that just the FM's version then
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02.34.51 #       <BoD[]> Hello !
02.34.55 #       <Sparks> why is it the Archos takes so much longer - what is it doing in that extra time?
02.35.06 #       <Sparks> Hello BoD
02.35.37 #       <[IDC]Dragon> There's a little monitor started first. But aport from it's 1 second timeout, I have no idea.
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02.36.37 #       <ClosetPacifist> erb, is a mask 0x0202 good? have the most likely positive flash values that you mentioned on the mailing list
02.36.57 #       <Sparks> and the same when you turn it off - it takes a lot longer to go off with Archos
02.37.18 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Time to sleep.
02.37.25 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Goodnight!
02.37.29 #       * ClosetPacifist waves.
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02.39.22 #       <Stevie-O> Sparks: scratching its virtual balls
02.39.47 #       * Sparks laughs
02.40.08 #       <Stevie-O> what else?
02.40.10 #       <Stevie-O> i mean
02.40.21 #       <Stevie-O> 15 seconds difference
02.40.34 #       <Stevie-O> or, more meaningfully
02.40.39 #       <Sparks> they just wanted to show te progress bar thingie
02.40.50 #       <Stevie-O> 500% longer
02.40.57 #       <Sparks> geez
02.41.14 #       <Stevie-O> or how about '6 times as long'
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02.41.34 #       <Sparks> any idea if a hugher output PSU is used, it would stop the battery drainwhen xfering over the USB?
02.42.09 #       <Sparks> (Sorry about the typing, I obviously need sleep!!)
02.42.17 #       <Stevie-O> dunno
02.43.06 #       <Sparks> must try it on my 2A iPaq one
02.44.01 #       <Sparks> do you have the FM Stevie-O?
02.47.53 #       <thu> he doesn't
02.48.01 #       <Sparks> u do?
02.48.07 #       <thu> iirc
02.48.09 #       <thu> yeah :)
02.48.22 #       <Sparks> can u tell me the voltage of the PSU (Mine it @ work)
02.48.29 #       <Sparks> it -> is
02.49.09 #       <thu> where was that?
02.49.36 Join    Neo [0] (Neo@209.187.167.213)
02.49.40 #       <Sparks> it should be printed on the PSU
02.49.43 #       <Neo> hey all
02.49.44 #       <thu> Sparks: how do i get it?
02.49.47 #       <Sparks> probably on the bottom
02.49.58 #       <Sparks> ello Neo
02.50.05 #       <thu> bottom?
02.50.10 #       <Neo> have some questions about archos jukebox before burchase
02.50.11 #       <Sparks> of the power pack
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02.50.32 #       <Sparks> the thing you plug in the wall to charge the FM :)
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02.50.53 #       <thu> 6v
02.50.54 #       <Neo> sorry
02.51.01 #       <thu> + in the middle
02.51.06 #       <Neo> can i ask some questions about the archos
02.51.19 #       <thu> Neo: this is an ipod channel
02.51.21 #       <Sparks> okay, I thought as much - it;s just the 5v one for my iPaq seems to be chaging it :?
02.51.29 #       <Neo> how is it
02.51.32 #       <Neo> its rockbox
02.51.43 #       <Sparks> i think it was a joke :D
02.51.58 #       <Neo> gotcha
02.51.59 #       <Sparks> i.e of course you can
02.51.59 #       <Neo> my bad
02.52.00 #       <thu> Neo: jk
02.52.03 #       <Neo> thanks 
02.52.04 #       <Neo> ok
02.52.08 #       <Neo> i was here before
02.52.12 #       <Neo> asked some questions
02.52.25 #       <thu> if you say so
02.52.26 #       <Sparks> what do you want to know?
02.52.28 #       <Neo> is the archos jukebox recorder 20 worht buying
02.52.31 #       <Neo> *worth
02.52.47 #       <thu> I chose the recorder fm
02.52.53 #       <Neo> yeh?
02.52.53 #       <thu> it's a pretty good deal for the money
02.52.54 #       <Sparks> depends what you want to do with it - if you want a door wedge, then no :P
02.53.05 #       <Neo> its heavy?
02.53.18 #       <thu> not overly heavy
02.53.36 #       <thu> you can probably pick it up in a store and see for yerself
02.53.42 #       <Sparks> IMO the FM radio is not that good
02.53.53 #       <Neo> ok
02.53.54 #       <Neo> yeh
02.53.56 #       <thu> I second that
02.54.07 #       <Neo> i was just gona get the recorder 20
02.54.15 #       <thu> the recorder fm is just slicker
02.54.26 #       <thu> but it's hardly possible to record hi-q off the radio
02.54.43 #       <Sparks> is the FM the same as the recorder 20, but minus the radio?
02.54.58 #       <thu> nah.. different design
02.55.05 #       <Sparks> ok, thought so
02.55.07 #       <thu> mm and different batteries
02.55.19 #       <Neo> i could get the recorder 20 for 200
02.55.25 #       <Neo> is taht a good deal?
02.55.28 #       <Sparks> yea, not as easy to replace on the FM
02.55.33 #       <Sparks> 200 what?
02.55.39 #       <thu> and I think the recorder has digital in
02.55.42 #       <thu> fm doesn
02.55.42 #       <thu> t
02.55.48 #       <thu> 200 USD sounds good
02.56.12 #       <thu> especially if you compare it to the other jukeboxes
02.56.17 #       <Sparks> the rockbox firmware has the digital input option in the menu
02.56.18 #       <Neo> yeh
02.56.18 #       <thu> Neo: who's selling it for $200?
02.56.23 #       <Neo> circuit city
02.56.30 #       <Neo> 30 dollars off
02.56.32 #       <thu> mm cheap
02.56.34 #       <Neo> last day tomorrow
02.56.35 #       <Neo> yeh
02.56.41 #       <Neo> how fast of a pause between songs
02.56.42 #       <thu> imho it's worth it
02.56.50 #       <thu> but then again.. I payed $260 for my fm
02.57.12 #       <thu> pauses are long or short
02.57.13 #       <thu> they can't be fast
02.57.24 #       <Neo> why/
02.57.25 #       <Neo> ?
02.57.35 #       <thu> well unless you make them run
02.57.41 #       <Sparks> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3033469539
02.58.21 #       <Sparks> it is apparently only 6 months old, so I guess you could return it under warentee
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02.58.32 #       <Neo> but there is a pause
02.58.33 #       <thu> don't count on it
02.58.35 #       <Neo> between songs
02.58.40 #       <thu> Neo: umm guess so
02.58.57 #       <Neo> like its not track 1 then its over then track 2
02.59.12 #       <thu> probably not
02.59.22 #       <Neo> even with rockbox
02.59.40 #       <thu> dunno
02.59.55 #       <Neo> dont u have it?
03.00.04 #       <thu> I do but I didn't notice that
03.00.08 #       <thu> I guess it pauses
03.00.13 #       <Neo> o
03.00.14 #       <thu> I never thought of it
03.00.18 #       <Neo> but its not like u have to wait long
03.00.23 #       <thu> nah
03.00.51 #       <thu> doesn't circuit city have a 30-day return policy?
03.00.58 #       <Neo> yeh
03.00.58 #       <thu> if you have the money go try it
03.01.12 #       <Neo> do u think ill like it?
03.01.13 #       <thu> in the (very unlikely) case you hate it just take it back
03.01.27 #       <thu> I can't say what _you_ like
03.01.44 #       <thu> but I've went through 4 mp3 cd players and one memory mp3 player and hated them all
03.01.53 #       <thu> well.. afterwards
03.02.21 Join    Master_Debator [0] (pooper@ip68-101-208-171.sd.sd.cox.net)
03.02.26 #       <thu> umm.. don't expect to jog with it or anything
03.02.29 #       <Neo> but u like this one the best
03.02.30 #       <thu> it's pretty sensitive to shocks
03.02.41 #       <thu> as any hard disk
03.02.43 #       * ClosetPacifist got his recorder 15 for ~$175
03.02.52 #       <Neo> even ipod?
03.02.57 #       <Master_Debator> hey all, is it OK to use the defragment option in XP on the archos jb20?
03.03.00 #       <thu> yeah
03.03.19 #       <thu> Master_Debator: afaik it's just a regular fat filesystem
03.03.23 #       <thu> you can do to it whatever you want
03.03.31 #       <Neo> whey master 
03.03.35 #       <Neo> do u like ur archos?
03.03.43 #       <Master_Debator> Yes, I just got it a couple days ago
03.03.43 #       <thu> Neo: I can't even walk with it in my pocket 'cuz it will stop
03.03.49 #       <thu> Neo: so that would be one limitation
03.03.55 #       <ClosetPacifist> the main reason I got an archos over and iPod was price, but rockbox defintally makes me happy with it
03.03.55 #       <Master_Debator> the rockbox rocks!
03.04.02 #       <thu> Neo: in rest.. the battery life is big
03.04.13 #       <thu> ClosetPacifist: true.. ipod is nicer in some ways
03.04.16 #       <thu> but the price tag turns me off
03.04.30 #       <ClosetPacifist> ya, and the recording sounded rather neato, heh
03.04.46 #       <thu> as I've said before.. the only jukebox I'd consider besides archos is neuros
03.04.57 #       <Neo> how much is the neuros
03.04.57 #       <thu> I never tried one first hand though
03.05.07 #       <thu> 3-400
03.05.11 #       <Neo> o
03.05.15 #       <Neo> yeh
03.05.19 #       <thu> I don't know how much it's in stores
03.05.22 #       <Neo> i have 200 to spend on an mp3 player
03.05.29 #       <Neo> (have the tax)
03.05.38 #       <thu> Neo: imho it's worth that money
03.05.43 #       <Neo> whats the best mp3 player at that price range
03.05.47 #       <Master_Debator> i got mine at circuit city also... 
03.05.48 #       <Neo> the archos?
03.05.54 #       <thu> you can use it as an usb drive also
03.06.02 #       <thu> does the recorder 20 do usb2?
03.06.07 #       <Master_Debator> they have that $199 after rebate thing
03.06.18 #       <Master_Debator> thu: Yes
03.06.31 #       <thu> well then.. it's worth it
03.06.33 #       <Neo> yeh
03.06.34 #       <Neo> ok
03.06.58 #       <Neo> i just want an mp3 player at that range
03.06.59 #       <Master_Debator> While I was there, I noticed they seemed to have two versions, one with blue "pads" and another with black/grey "pads"...
03.07.07 #       <Neo> yeh
03.07.14 #       <Neo> is the archos worth it?
03.07.15 #       <Master_Debator> any difference?
03.07.26 #       <Neo> can u shuffle on the player itself
03.07.27 #       <Master_Debator> So far, I think it's worth it
03.07.31 #       <thu> recorders?
03.07.42 #       <Neo> ok
03.07.45 #       <Neo> is that what u have
03.08.03 #       <thu> it's just an usb drive with a mp3 player on it 
03.08.09 #       <thu> and there are no major issues that I know of
03.08.14 #       <thu> not much more to say
03.08.26 #       <Neo> can i walk with it
03.08.37 #       <thu> yeah but on your belt
03.08.38 #       <Master_Debator> My battery life seems to suck though.....
03.08.44 #       <thu> it doesn't like to stay in a pocket
03.08.48 #       <thu> at least mine doesn't
03.09.05 #       <Neo> pocket
03.09.06 #       <thu> if you put it in the belt pouch it's happy
03.09.28 #       <Neo> lol
03.09.35 #       <Neo> but it would slip out of what?
03.09.43 #       <thu> slip?
03.10.13 #       <thu> Master_Debator: I kill my battery life jumping from song to song
03.10.26 #       <thu> dir to dir that is
03.10.39 #       <Neo> o
03.10.45 #       <Neo> how does the display work
03.11.00 #       <thu> you can customize it
03.11.02 #       <thu> and change the fonts
03.11.09 #       <Master_Debator> thu: yeah, I think that's the problem... but still, it seemed to kill -15 off the battery just from an hour of playing music (no jumping songs)
03.11.10 #       <thu> in rockbox of course
03.11.13 #       <ClosetPacifist> if you have a recorder
03.11.38 #       <thu> yeah he's talkin about a recorder 20
03.11.51 #       <thu> do they even sell players anymore?
03.11.51 #       <Neo> so i should get it
03.12.04 #       <ClosetPacifist> think outpost has a player 6000 for cheap, heh
03.12.14 #       <thu> not that cheap
03.12.24 #       <thu> I mean not dirt cheap
03.12.30 #       <thu> otherwise I would have gotten it last year
03.12.32 #       <thu> instead of this fm
03.12.34 #       <Neo> but thats just 6 gigs right?
03.12.39 #       <ClosetPacifist> ya
03.12.40 #       <thu> yea
03.12.42 #       <Neo> yeh
03.12.44 #       <Neo> i watn 20
03.12.50 #       <ClosetPacifist> don't think they have it anymore anyway
03.13.15 #       <Neo> so i should get it?
03.13.17 #       <thu> Neo: you can take it apart and put an 80G drive inside if you want
03.13.23 #       <thu> Neo: that's for you to decide
03.13.39 #       <thu> Neo: there are no really unhappy archos users afaik
03.13.46 #       <Neo> circuit city can do that?
03.14.04 #       <thu> Neo: a new drive is 2-300$
03.14.11 #       <Neo> o
03.14.14 #       <Neo> 20 is enough
03.14.14 #       <thu> oO
03.14.49 #       <thu> I don't think you can get any jukebox half as decent as the archos for that money
03.14.58 #       <Neo> ok
03.15.02 #       <Neo> is it solid?
03.15.19 #       <thu> solid enough but just don't drop it :)
03.15.41 #       <thu> or hammer nails with it
03.15.52 #       <ClosetPacifist> heh, mine's slid to the floor a few times x.x
03.16.00 #       <thu> btw does the recorder 20 shed?
03.16.00 #       <Sparks> just treat it with the respect it deserves :)
03.16.13 #       <thu> my fm sheds all over
03.16.19 #       <Sparks> shed!?
03.16.21 #       <Neo> how long should it last
03.16.28 #       <telliott> It won't break if you drop it a short distance on carpet.  Mine didn't.
03.16.33 #       <thu> Neo: until you drop it really hard
03.16.38 #       <Neo> ok
03.16.41 #       <thu> yeah I dropped it on carpet too
03.16.42 #       <Neo> but if it lasts a shed
03.16.44 #       <Neo> lol
03.16.50 #       <thu> oh lol
03.16.53 #       <Neo> lol
03.16.54 #       <Neo> ok
03.16.57 #       <thu> the paint on the back of my fm is gone
03.17.02 #       <Sparks> ohhh
03.17.06 #       <Neo> what color looks better
03.17.08 #       <thu> probably because of the heat 
03.17.11 #       <thu> Neo: pink
03.17.12 #       <ClosetPacifist> oh, don't think the paint on my rec15's gone yet
03.17.18 #       <Neo> pink?\
03.17.25 #       <thu> mine looks pretty beat
03.17.33 #       <thu> esp with the scratched screen and the paint gone
03.17.38 #       <Neo> what color
03.17.39 #       <thu> works like a charm though
03.17.49 #       <thu> Neo: lime green
03.17.55 #       <Neo> they have green?
03.17.55 #       <ClosetPacifist> haven't taken the plastic screen cover off mine yet
03.18.02 #       <thu> Neo: no
03.18.03 #       <thu> :)
03.18.09 #       <Neo> lol
03.18.15 #       <Neo> blue or silver
03.18.19 #       <Sparks> you could always re spray it :P
03.18.23 #       <thu> you can spraypaint it later
03.18.24 #       <thu> :P Sparks
03.18.32 #       <ClosetPacifist> heh
03.18.56 #       <telliott> I really liked the FM till I saw they took out the digital I/O.  I use my recorder 20 to play through my Pioneer reciever's digital input.  Sounds great.
03.19.16 #       <Neo> could i record off a portably cd player
03.19.22 #       <thu> Neo: yes
03.19.35 #       <Neo> ok
03.19.36 #       <ClosetPacifist> Neo: if you got a two-ended audio cable like comes with computer speakers, yup
03.19.37 #       <Neo> thats cool
03.19.38 #       <thu> Neo: you can record off any external audio source
03.19.44 #       <thu> or internal microphone
03.19.44 #       <Neo> ok
03.19.45 #       <Neo> thanks
03.19.50 #       <Neo> another question
03.19.51 #       * ClosetPacifist still has his cable from his first speakers, it's yummy.
03.19.52 #       <Neo> i forgot
03.19.54 #       <Sparks> or external preamped mic
03.19.58 #       <thu> nice thing is that you record directly in mp3
03.20.12 #       <thu> you just connect it to your pc later and get the songs
03.20.19 #       <thu> s/songs/sounds
03.20.23 #       <Sparks> and rockbox now has auto splitting for BIG recording sessions :)
03.20.33 #       <Neo> cool
03.20.39 #       <thu> yeah.. I used to record 2h lectures
03.21.00 #       <Neo> um, whats some more good things abut it
03.21.03 #       <Sparks> ...but they still need the keylock in the recording screen :D
03.21.11 #       <telliott> Did they ever get spliiting to work without losing a tiny amount between tracks?
03.21.16 #       <MT> forget the internal mic, its awful
03.21.31 #       <thu> awful if you want good quality
03.21.36 #       <MT> it picks up all the hd screeches
03.21.42 #       <thu> but good for recording compromising stuff
03.21.53 #       <Sparks> they should make it spin the disk down forst...
03.22.04 #       <thu> can't really help that with any disk
03.22.24 #       * ClosetPacifist takes shelter from the fireworks.
03.23.07 #       <thu> lool it's the 4th today right
03.23.13 #       <ClosetPacifist> ya
03.23.14 #       <thu> I wrote 3rd all day
03.23.17 #       <ClosetPacifist> heh
03.23.19 #       * Sparks wonders what ClosetPacifist of on about!
03.23.20 #       <thu> in lotsa places
03.23.39 #       <thu> darn lotech watch
03.23.42 #       * ClosetPacifist 's had great fun with the internal mic, and having his recorder in his pocket.
03.23.45 #       <thu> I have to set it every 2 months
03.23.46 #       <Sparks> it's the 5th now (In the UK)
03.24.04 #       <ClosetPacifist> heh, lucky, you don't have fireworks floatin' bout then!
03.24.38 #       <thu> I don't either :P
03.24.46 #       <ClosetPacifist> marf
03.24.57 #       <ClosetPacifist> thought it was thunder at first...
03.25.02 #       <Neo> ok
03.25.05 #       <Neo> how does it operate
03.25.09 #       <Neo> the buttons
03.25.16 #       <thu> Neo: you have to push them
03.25.21 #       <ClosetPacifist> :) you might wana look at the manuel for that
03.25.28 #       <thu> ClosetPacifist: are you some sort of terrorist? 
03.25.28 #       <Sparks> u press them, and it does somthing :P
03.25.28 #       * ClosetPacifist 's had great fun with the internal mic, and having his recorder in his pocket.
03.25.31 #       <Neo> o really
03.25.33 #       <Neo> no i mean
03.25.35 #       <thu> how come you're not outside shootin fireworks?
03.25.40 #       <Neo> what kind of buttons
03.25.47 #       <thu> mm rectangular mostly
03.25.47 #       <Neo> is there a lock button
03.25.49 #       <Sparks> http://rockbox.haxx.se/manual/manual.pdf
03.25.49 #       <ClosetPacifist> thu: eh? cause I'm a geek!
03.25.52 #       <Neo> freature
03.25.53 #       <thu> plastic buttons
03.25.56 #       <Sparks> neo: yes
03.26.06 #       <ClosetPacifist> we stay inside at our computers all day long, correct?
03.26.06 #       <Neo> is the screen easy to see
03.26.09 #       <thu> ClosetPacifist: oh.. so you _are_ a terrorist then
03.26.24 #       <thu> ClosetPacifist: is that a new terrorist group that I didn't hear about yet?
03.26.36 #       <Neo> is the backlight good?
03.26.36 #       <Sparks> not in the dark when the backlight has gone ofNeo: 
03.26.37 #       <ClosetPacifist> thu: yup, related to the evil hackers!
03.26.39 #       <thu> you are clearly antipatriotic
03.26.47 #       <Neo> when the backlight is on
03.26.52 #       <Sparks> neo: the backlight is very good
03.26.58 Part    telliott
03.27.09 #       <Sparks> the contrast is also ajustable in rockbox
03.27.14 #       <thu> there should be a way to turn the backlight on after you set it to off
03.27.22 #       <Neo> how are the games
03.27.26 #       <Neo> probably not too good
03.27.27 #       <Neo> just basi
03.27.28 #       <Neo> c
03.27.29 #       <thu> Neo: multiplying
03.27.39 #       <Sparks> i did put in a feature request for that @ thu
03.27.43 #       <thu> Neo: they have doom running on the archos
03.28.04 #       <thu> Sparks: I usually turn the light off during the day cuz it's really sunny and I don't see it anyway
03.28.07 #       <thu> then forget about it
03.28.14 #       <thu> and when I try to use it @ night I have  no light
03.28.24 #       <Sparks> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=677219&group_id=44306&atid=439121
03.28.52 #       <thu> yeah
03.29.03 #       <Neo> where can u get more games
03.29.04 #       <Neo> doom?
03.29.07 #       <Sparks> and http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=677204&group_id=44306&atid=439121
03.29.08 #       <Neo> awesome
03.29.24 #       <Neo> where can u get more games
03.29.29 #       <Sparks> doom was a April Fools joke :-)
03.29.34 #       <Neo> damn
03.29.44 #       * thu steps on Sparks' foot
03.29.45 #       <thu> shhhh
03.29.49 #       <Neo> sorry
03.29.53 #       <Neo> where can u get more games
03.29.53 #       <ClosetPacifist> woah! http://rockbox.haxx.se/doom/camera.jpg
03.30.10 #       <thu> lol ClosetPacifist
03.30.29 #       <thu> ClosetPacifist: you can even shoot planes in doom with that left button
03.30.50 #       <Neo> no doom on rockbox?
03.30.53 #       <ClosetPacifist> didn't see /that/ picture when they released the doomstuffs... heh
03.31.05 #       * Sparks apologises, and rubs his foot better
03.31.08 #       <Neo> where can i get a download
03.31.10 #       <Neo> for doom
03.31.21 #       <thu> Neo: http://rockbox.haxx.se/doom/gogogo.jpg
03.31.41 #       <Neo> yeh
03.31.42 #       <Neo> i see it
03.31.46 #       <Neo> where can i get a download
03.31.46 #       <Sparks> http://rockbox.haxx.se/doom/recorder.jpg
03.31.52 #       <ClosetPacifist> the recorder dl is http://rockbox.haxx.se/doom/ajbrec.ajz
03.32.05 #       <Neo> and its in there
03.32.10 #       <thu> Neo: there are quite a few games.. tetris, sokoban, wormlet, flipit, othelo, sliding puzzle, star
03.32.12 #       <Sparks> http://rockbox.haxx.se/doom/doom-logo-big.jpg
03.32.34 #       <ClosetPacifist> ya, and with the new rock feature people'll likely be making more
03.32.38 #       <Neo> and is doom in there
03.32.59 #       <thu> Neo: I heard they are working at doom3 for rockbox now
03.33.05 #       <Stevie-O> lmao
03.33.06 #       <thu> Neo: they want to release it with the official version
03.33.09 #       <thu> to support rockbox
03.33.09 #       <Neo> lol
03.33.14 #       <Neo> what doom?
03.33.17 #       <Sparks> I have Unreal Tourament ported too
03.33.26 #       <thu> Neo: doom3 and duke nukem forever
03.33.38 #       <Neo> and can i get doom now?
03.33.46 #       <thu> Neo: just doom1 for now
03.33.49 #       <Neo> yeh
03.33.52 #       <Neo> where?
03.34.04 #       <thu> <ClosetPacifist> the recorder dl is http://rockbox.haxx.se/doom/ajbrec.ajz
03.34.12 #       <Neo> and its included in there?
03.34.26 #       <thu> yeah.. it's the rockbox version
03.34.36 #       <Neo> ok
03.34.45 #       <Neo> will rockbox always be free?
03.34.57 #       <ClosetPacifist> ya
03.35.00 #       <Neo> ok
03.35.00 Quit    Master_Debator (Remote closed the connection)
03.35.01 #       <Sparks> any Idea when Microsoft Office XP will be finished for the Archos?
03.35.03 #       <Neo> cool
03.35.13 #       <Neo> office xp?
03.35.19 #       <ClosetPacifist> it's open source and such, and I belive the liscense prevents anything else
03.35.27 #       <thu> Sparks: they had some problems with the windows emulation for xp
03.35.43 #       <thu> I don't think wine for rockbox can run anything newer than office 2000
03.35.45 #       <Sparks> okay, i heard it was somthing to do with the USB mouse driver?
03.36.01 #       <Stevie-O> oh
03.36.08 #       <Stevie-O> I fixed the windows emulation bug
03.36.17 #       <Stevie-O> it was an error in the CreateFile emulation
03.36.46 #       <Stevie-O> CreateFile on Windows returns -2147483648 on error instead of NULL
03.36.55 #       <thu> :P
03.36.56 #       <Sparks> ok, i lost track of that a while ago
03.37.00 #       <thu> that was an easy one to fix
03.37.05 #       <thu> windows always return null
03.37.15 #       <Stevie-O> not from CreateFile
03.37.16 #       <thu> no matter what you try to do with it
03.37.17 #       <Stevie-O> everything else tho
03.37.22 #       <ClosetPacifist> windows = null
03.38.51 #       <Neo> im confused
03.38.57 #       <Neo> how can u get windows on an archos
03.39.01 #       <thu> the words of wisdom have been spoken
03.39.16 #       <thu> Neo: windows only takes up 1-2G
03.39.20 #       <thu> the recorder has a 20G drive
03.39.24 #       <Neo> yeh
03.39.32 #       <Neo> but u cant use windows on the small screen
03.39.50 #       <thu> it's kinda hard.. especially with the usb mouse driver not working
03.39.55 #       <thu> you have to use mouse keys
03.40.12 #       <Neo> but how does it look?
03.40.35 #       <thu> it looks pretty good
03.40.45 #       <thu> they're still having problems with the 3d acceleration though
03.40.49 #       <thu> so you can't play any games yet
03.41.05 #       <Neo> u can actually use it
03.41.11 #       <Neo> on the tiny screen?
03.41.42 #       <thu> it's not great but it's good for when you're on the move
03.41.58 #       <Sparks> there is a cable that you can plug a monitor into too
03.42.12 #       <Neo> so
03.42.24 #       <thu> that's a hack though.. you have to open the archos
03.42.24 Quit    Snorlax ()
03.42.24 #       <Neo> is the start like one pixel large?
03.42.33 #       <thu> Neo: no.. it has a virtual screen.. you can scroll around
03.42.40 #       <Neo> o
03.42.41 #       <Sparks> the start button is assigned to a function key
03.42.45 #       <Neo> but it must be annoying
03.42.57 #       <thu> mm I didn't know that
03.42.57 #       <thu> I have to try it
03.42.57 #       <Neo> right?
03.42.57 #       <Sparks> F2
03.43.06 #       <thu> yeah F2 isn't used by the firmware
03.43.10 #       <thu> that's why
03.43.23 #       <Neo> do u have a screenshot of windows
03.43.25 #       <Neo> hard to believe
03.43.28 #       <Neo> windows on the archos
03.43.52 #       <thu> mine is recharging now
03.43.55 #       <thu> but I can take a picture of it later
03.43.56 #       <Sparks> I dont, but i can take a picture if i can find me camera
03.44.44 #       <thu> who's written some rockbox code here?
03.44.47 #       <thu> Stevie-O: ?
03.45.02 #       <Neo> can u do it now
03.45.07 #       <Neo> im buying in the morning
03.45.09 #       <Neo> its ok if u cant
03.45.22 #       <thu> Neo: you can ask the circuit city guys to demo it for you
03.45.28 #       * ClosetPacifist would be playing with rocks if gcc would compile >.<
03.46.13 #       <Neo> no
03.46.19 #       <Neo> not with windows
03.46.37 #       <Neo> thats all i want to see
03.46.38 #       <thu> they must have one installed around
03.46.46 #       <Neo> archos with windows?
03.46.57 #       <thu> yeah.. ask the circuit city guys
03.47.04 #       <Neo> seriously?
03.47.07 #       <thu> they must know about it if they're selling it
03.47.13 #       <Neo> they'd put windows on it
03.47.17 #       <Neo> doubt it
03.47.17 #       <Sparks> i got the camera, but I think my cable is at work (The same ones the Archos uses, I was using it today when i should have been working :)
03.47.20 #       <thu> sure.. if you ask them
03.47.29 #       <thu> Sparks: those cables are hard to get :(
03.47.31 #       <thu> and expensive
03.47.40 #       <Neo> what do i say "do u have archos with a windows installed on it"
03.47.52 #       <thu> yeah.. maybe they do
03.47.56 #       <Neo> doubt it
03.47.59 #       <ClosetPacifist> 'd spect so since they didn't use the propper usb cable type, heh
03.48.09 #       <Neo> but u can watch movies on this then
03.48.20 #       <thu> the archos multimedia is optimized for movies
03.48.25 #       <Neo> yeh
03.48.27 #       <thu> you can play and record divx
03.48.32 #       <Neo> but its 300
03.48.40 #       <thu> yeah
03.48.43 #       <Neo> yeh
03.48.46 #       <Neo> do u have it?
03.48.58 #       <thu> no.. when I got mine it was more than 300
03.49.10 #       <Neo> o
03.49.14 #       <thu> oO
03.49.16 #       <Neo> dont really need that
03.49.36 #       <Neo> well, since ur claiming u can put windows on the recorder, cant u play movies in black in white?
03.49.37 #       <Sparks> if they do have the windows version in circuit city, make sure you get the Version SE3 - the previous version had a bug that ran the battery down too quick
03.49.39 #       <PsycoXul> why would you want windows on an archos when we've got rockbox
03.50.16 #       <Neo> u guys keep saying uve put windows on the archos
03.50.18 #       <Neo> they come that way?
03.50.24 #       <thu> PsycoXul: ms office doesn't work well under rockbox
03.50.34 #       <thu> PsycoXul: it works much better on windows
03.50.47 #       <PsycoXul> thu: thats your opinion
03.50.48 #       <thu> Neo: yeah but nobody cares about it
03.50.50 #       <thu> like PsycoXul here
03.50.55 #       <thu> they all like to run rockbox
03.51.01 #       <thu> they say it's better than windows :(
03.51.09 #       <Neo> yeh
03.51.15 #       <Neo> but windows u wouldnt be able to see
03.51.28 #       <Neo> does it look like my windows screen now
03.51.31 #       <Neo> just really small?
03.51.39 #       <thu> something like that
03.51.42 #       <Sparks> it's like Windows CE
03.51.44 #       <Neo> hmm
03.51.49 #       <Neo> u haveto download it
03.51.51 #       <PsycoXul> imagine a pda running windows
03.51.51 #       <Neo> ?
03.51.53 #       <thu> I don't know what your screen looks like
03.52.00 #       <PsycoXul> and think of like taking a piece of cardboard
03.52.02 #       <Neo> or can i use my xp cd here
03.52.07 #       <PsycoXul> and cutting out a hole the size of your archos screen
03.52.11 #       <Sparks> but it is Windows SE (Smaller Edition)
03.52.13 #       <PsycoXul> and then putting that over the pda's screen
03.52.19 #       <thu> Neo: no.. you have to upload it through usb
03.52.24 #       <PsycoXul> and when you move the pointer, you move the window
03.52.38 #       <PsycoXul> it's like that
03.52.45 #       <thu> Neo: or connect one of the archos external cdroms to your jukebox
03.52.59 #       <thu> Neo: see the archos website for info on getting external cdroms
03.53.06 #       <thu> they even have cd writers
03.53.07 #       <Neo> sorry guys, im confused
03.53.22 #       <thu> no problem.. so are we sometimes
03.53.40 #       <Neo> u use a windows cd to install to your archos recorder beacuse it acts like a harddrive
03.53.49 #       <Neo> then on the tiny tiny screen windows appears 
03.53.56 #       <Neo> right?
03.54.07 #       <thu> you can only use the cd if you get an archos external cdrom
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03.54.15 #       <Neo> the "Windows professional Sp1" 
03.54.23 #       <thu> that's buggy
03.54.25 #       <Neo> why cant i install it from windows
03.54.28 #       <thu> you must use sp3
03.54.39 #       <Neo> ok
03.54.42 #       <thu> can you install windows on another pc from windows?
03.54.48 #       <Neo> yeh
03.55.06 #       <Sparks> it is Windows SE3 - this is the latest version
03.55.15 #       <Neo> but u can see "a desktop" on the archos?
03.55.22 #       <thu> Neo: if you want to use your cd you must also buy one of these http://www.archos.com/products/prw_500364.html
03.55.33 #       <Sparks> SE3 = Smaller Edition, service pack 3
03.55.52 #       <thu> Neo: the screen is kinda small but it works
03.56.13 #       <thu> archos sells external dvdroms as accessories to the jukeboxes
03.56.25 #       <Neo> wehre do i get smaller edition?
03.56.46 #       <thu> you can just use 2000
03.56.57 #       <Neo> 2000?
03.57.00 #       <thu> don't listen to Sparks.. I don't think SE is even out yet
03.57.03 #       <thu> windows 2000
03.57.09 #       <thu> he must have a beta or something
03.57.18 #       <thu> you can crash your jukebox with it
03.57.21 #       <thu> windows 2000 sp3
03.57.35 #       <Neo> how have u guys put windows on ur juekbox
03.58.08 #       <thu> you just copy the kit on the drive and then reboot the jukebox
03.58.18 #       <thu> or you get one of those external drives and boot from cdrom
03.59.11 #       <Neo> its black and white
03.59.19 #       <thu> yeah :(
03.59.28 #       <thu> you have to get a multimedia archos if you want color screen
03.59.31 #       <Neo> do u have a screen shot of windows on the jukebox
04.00.39 #       <thu> lemme see where is my camera
04.01.18 #       <Neo> thanks
04.01.22 #       <Neo> i really wanto see it
04.01.24 #       <Neo> email me
04.01.30 #       <Neo> @ rubberdukkie52@aol.com
04.03.37 #       <Neo> ok?
04.03.57 #       <Sparks> i think he is looking for his camera!
04.04.00 #       <Neo> o
04.04.01 #       <Neo> sorry
04.04.17 #       <Neo> sparks
04.04.21 #       <Sparks> yep
04.04.26 #       <Neo> have u had luck with windows on the archos
04.04.51 #       <Sparks> how do you mean luck?
04.05.37 #       <Neo> does it work?
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04.06.06 #       <Sparks> yea, it takes a while to master the controls though, but like anything you get used to ut
04.06.20 #       <Neo> yeh
04.06.28 #       <Neo> do u ahve a screen of it?
04.07.13 #       <Sparks> i have a photo, but i havent got my camera's cable :(
04.07.44 #       <Neo> u mean its on the camera
04.07.49 #       <Neo> but u cant find the cable?
04.07.52 #       <Neo> thats sucks
04.07.57 #       <Neo> i wanto see it!
04.08.40 #       <Sparks> it is the same cable as the Archos, but i left it at work, wich is a bummer, as i have loads of stuff i want to put on the Archos :(:(:(
04.08.56 #       <Neo> o
04.08.59 #       <Neo> yeh
04.09.13 #       <Neo> do u think thu found his camera
04.09.30 #       <ClosetPacifist> he probally got sidetracked
04.09.32 #       <Sparks> u found yr camera thu?
04.09.39 #       <ClosetPacifist> and fired off some fireworks instead, heh
04.09.45 #       <Neo> yeh
04.09.46 #       <Neo> lol
04.10.36 #       <Neo> have u heard of the Rio Riot 20 gig mp3 player?
04.11.15 #       <Sparks> I have heard of Rio, but haven't been following their stuff now I have the Archos :)
04.11.25 #       <Neo> the archos is better?
04.12.07 #       <Sparks> i dont know, but I am more than happy with the Archos (With Rockbox) so i havent been looking at others
04.12.23 #       <Neo> how loud does it get?
04.12.34 #       <Sparks> the archos?
04.13.22 #       <Sparks> Neo: you mean how loud does the Archos get?
04.13.51 #       <Neo> yes
04.14.06 #       <Sparks> depends on what you plug it in to!
04.14.20 #       <Sparks> plug it into a 2KW amplifier, and it is REALLY loud!
04.14.20 #       <Neo> headphone
04.14.24 #       <Neo> the ones it comes with
04.14.46 #       <Sparks> they are not brilliant IMO - i prefer the in-ear ones
04.14.46 #       <ClosetPacifist> they have a little volume knob
04.15.19 #       <Neo> is there adjustable volume on the archos?
04.15.22 #       <Neo> there better be
04.15.44 #       <Sparks> of course 0-100
04.15.50 #       <Neo> ok
04.15.53 #       <Neo> how loud does 50 get
04.16.00 #       <Neo> loud enough?
04.16.06 #       <Sparks> and there is a volume control on the headphones
04.16.58 #       <Sparks> i have mine on 68% right now
04.17.02 #       <Neo> ok
04.17.08 #       <Neo> what kind of music u listen 2>
04.17.12 #       <Sparks> but 100% is well loud
04.17.49 #       <Sparks> Stuff like Euphoria, Clubland..
04.18.26 #       * ClosetPacifist listens to Aphex Twin, noisemusic, Mechwarrior 2, electricfunstuff,etc.
04.18.53 #       <thu> lol fuck this
04.18.57 #       <thu> the gimp got stuck and i lost my image
04.19.01 #       <thu> no more windows on archos
04.19.07 #       <Sparks> currently listining to http://www.discogs.com/release/85903
04.19.34 #       <Neo> ha
04.19.36 #       <Neo> no image?
04.19.41 #       <thu> no image
04.20.04 #       * thu listens to some weird medieval music he got off emusic
04.20.52 #       <Neo> o
04.20.56 #       <Neo> yeh
04.21.13 #       <Neo> well
04.21.15 #       <Neo> im off
04.21.20 #       <Neo> i think ill buy one tomorrow
04.21.21 #       <Neo> hey thu
04.21.26 #       <thu> good for you
04.21.28 #       <ClosetPacifist> cya, best of luck
04.21.29 #       <Neo> if u ever get that pic (hope u do)
04.21.34 #       <Neo> email me
04.21.37 #       <thu> ok
04.21.38 #       <Neo> rubberdukkie52@aol.com
04.21.41 #       <Neo> thanks
04.21.49 #       <Neo> if u have available
04.21.52 #       <Neo> email other screens
04.22.02 #       <Neo> of the jukebox itself
04.22.06 #       <Neo> just pics of it
04.22.07 #       <Neo> thanks
04.22.08 #       <Neo> bye
04.22.09 #       <thu> you can find tons of that on the net
04.22.10 #       <thu> bye
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04.22.12 #       <Sparks> ask them in Circuit City - they are not allowed to promote it, but if you ask, they will proabbaly show u
04.22.26 #       <ClosetPacifist> he he he
04.22.32 #       <Sparks> :D :P
04.22.45 #       <thu> that was too much
04.22.53 #       <thu> unfortunatelly my talents with the gimp are slim to none
04.23.33 #       * thu is away
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04.39.45 #       * Sparks is Away also
04.40.59 #       * Sparks is Going to bed...
04.41.30 #       <ClosetPacifist> cya
04.42.06 #       * Sparks waves, and prepares to enter the real world...
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05.06.24 #       <artine> Greetings all.  Got a bit of a question.  I just added some new directory sorting features to the Rockbox that seem to work just fine on the Archos, but not the X11 sim.  I've traced the problem down to x11_readdir, but I get stumped in there.  Where is x11_dirent defined?  I need to add two members to it, but I can't find it anywhere...
05.07.24 #       <artine> I did a search through the entire file tree for any files containing any reference to it, none of the files it returned had its definition.  Did a scan through my entire directory structure.  No go.  I'm reallly stumped on this one.
05.08.33 #       <artine> Any ideas on even how to approach this one?
05.11.27 #       <Stevie-O> nada kloo
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06.04.45 #       <OliverKlozoff> does anyone else think it's rather ironic
06.04.53 #       <OliverKlozoff> that one of the sponsors for a race car driver
06.05.00 #       <OliverKlozoff> is Smirnoff Ice?
06.06.56 #       <thu> lol
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06.13.45 #       <earHurts> How are yiu gentlemen?
06.15.51 #       <thu> it is you!!
06.15.56 #       <thu> earHurts: any emusic suggestions?
06.16.03 #       <thu> earHurts: I don't know what to get
06.16.19 #       <thu> earHurts: and btw some people are saying emusic is capped at 2000 songs / monthg
06.16.21 #       <artine> What genres you into?
06.16.25 #       <artine> Yeah, I heard about that, too.
06.16.33 #       <thu> it's against their policy
06.16.37 #       <thu> they can be sued or something
06.16.45 #       <thu> it says UNLIMITED on their first page
06.16.46 #       <artine> It doesn't affect me 'cuz I never download that much, but it still pisses me off that they say unlimited and then cap you at 2000
06.16.49 #       <thu> yeah
06.17.00 #       <thu> I got almost 300 songs in the first day
06.17.10 #       <thu> so it looks like I'll be there to test it soon
06.17.13 #       <artine> I'm sure.  eMusic is too fun :-)
06.17.19 #       <thu> so.. suggestions?
06.17.25 #       <artine> Well, what genres do you like?
06.17.26 #       <thu> new age / jazz
06.17.33 #       <thu> some world but ambientalized
06.17.37 #       <thu> mm maybe blues
06.18.09 #       <thu> dunno anything
06.18.14 #       <thu> just tell me what you got last and liked
06.18.22 #       <artine> Jazz: Bill Evans' Waltz for Debbie or anything from Miles Davis
06.18.38 #       <earHurts> I like folk & classical
06.18.49 #       <thu> I didn't get into classical yet
06.18.56 #       <thu> I have to look at it some early morning
06.19.07 #       <artine> ::nods::  They've got some pretty good selections in classical, but not nearly enough, IMHO.
06.19.14 #       <earHurts> I don't know about the cap, but downloads see, to  be slower the more I have queued OR completed
06.19.16 #       <thu> today at 6am I was getting > 300KB/s from emusic
06.19.40 #       <artine> World: Gabrielle Roth's Bardo is fantastic.  Not a big fan of their others, though.
06.19.56 #       <earHurts> so if I 'clear completed' form the dlm, it moves a bit faster
06.20.11 #       <earHurts> s/form/from
06.20.13 #       <artine> earHurts: How odd...  I oughta check that out sometime.
06.20.30 #       <thu> I'm obsessed by an Ancient Future song
06.20.47 #       <artine> thu: Which'n?
06.20.50 #       <thu> Playing: Ancient Future - Ne Po Pogrebu Bochonochek [120/475]
06.21.02 #       <thu> mm I seem to have 475 songs from emusic now :)
06.21.08 #       <artine> thu: Hmm...  Don't think I've heard that one, oughta check it out :-)
06.21.10 #       <thu> and this is my 2nd day
06.21.16 #       <earHurts> the classical is what really does it for me; I'm afraid of buying classical cds for fear of getting bad renditions
06.21.29 #       <thu> artine: it's a russian folk song but I heard it before and it somehow stuck to my mind
06.21.43 #       <earHurts> so getting them form emusic really allows me to  branch out
06.21.52 #       <thu> earHurts: I hate the concert ones where you hear people cough and stuff
06.22.02 #       <thu> studio recordings are generally good
06.22.06 #       <thu> well for my taste anyway
06.22.13 #       <artine> earHurts: Yeah, that's true.  But they never seem to have the ones I'm looking for :-/
06.22.13 #       <earHurts> I really like the Koch & drg lablels
06.22.39 #       <earHurts> do you guys like Gilbert & Sullivan?
06.22.46 #       <thu> never heard of them
06.22.49 #       <thu> what do they do?
06.22.50 #       <artine> Nor've I.
06.23.05 #       <earHurts> light comedic opera
06.23.13 #       <artine> Hmmm...  Are they on eMusic?
06.23.15 #       <earHurts> Pirates of Penzance
06.23.22 #       <thu> lol I even found gypsy music
06.23.24 #       <earHurts> HMS|Pinafore?
06.23.35 #       <earHurts> emusic has a best of
06.23.47 #       * thu getting gabrielle roth
06.24.42 #       <earHurts> how manu queued songs are you capped at?
06.24.55 #       <thu> didn't try
06.25.05 #       <thu> I generally have 1 album coming and another one queued
06.25.08 #       <thu> the rest in in the stash
06.25.15 #       <artine> 45, IIRC.
06.25.18 #       <earHurts> try to queue as many as you can
06.25.22 #       <thu> I'll be unhappy when they cap me at 2k songs though
06.25.28 #       <earHurts> it's 35 for me
06.25.31 #       <thu> probably before monday :-\
06.25.40 #       <artine> thu: I think what they do is eMail you and threaten to cancel your account if you hit 2000 :-/
06.25.50 #       <artine> thu: At least, that's the impression I've gotten from people on the Message Boards.
06.25.52 #       <thu> artine: hehe to much bandwidth? :)
06.26.00 #       <earHurts> half a cent per track, huh?
06.26.05 #       <artine> thu: That and cutting into profits since they have to pay so much for each track downloaded.
06.26.13 #       <thu> artine: thing is I can't leave a bot downloading or anything like that
06.26.23 #       <thu> so I'm not a harvester
06.26.28 #       <thu> I'm doing it by hand
06.26.31 #       <thu> the site says unlimited
06.26.37 #       <thu> so I'm not breaking any agreement with them
06.26.44 #       <earHurts> yeah, I'd be happier with a cap if I could queue a bunch at a time
06.26.46 #       <artine> thu: Yeah.  I think people using bots are jerks, but somebody downloading by hand should be able to download as many as they want.
06.26.48 #       <thu> if they said 2000 it would be ok
06.26.56 #       <thu> heh it would be easy to use a bot
06.27.00 #       <earHurts> if they said, precisely
06.27.03 #       <artine> thu: I, and tons of people on the boards, agree wholeheartedly.
06.27.17 #       <thu> you could just feed the downloader one album at a time
06.27.24 #       <thu> and watch the bandwidth to see when it's finished
06.27.30 #       <thu> but I don't do that :(
06.27.57 #       <thu> not my fault that I wake up early in the morning and emusic works so good :)
06.28.04 #       <artine> Hee hee :-)
06.28.07 #       <thu> I think I got something like 6 albums while I was shaving
06.28.20 #       <earHurts>  how many tracks?
06.28.43 #       <thu> Playing: Ella Fitzgerald - Since I Fell For You [253/484]
06.28.47 #       <thu> 484
06.28.50 #       <thu> since yesterday
06.28.53 #       <earHurts> oh
06.29.00 #       <earHurts> not whilst shaving
06.29.15 #       <thu> in the morning I got something like 50 tracks at least
06.29.16 #       <thu> probably more
06.29.26 #       <thu> around 300kb/s
06.29.37 #       <earHurts> is the fitzgerald vbr?
06.29.43 #       <thu> yues
06.29.51 #       <earHurts> gonna go get that.
06.30.05 #       <earHurts> I've got a few of hers already
06.30.14 #       <thu> gabrielle roth sounds good
06.30.23 #       <earHurts> what genre?
06.30.25 #       <thu> earHurts: yeah lots of her albums.. I didn't know what to get
06.30.27 #       <thu> jazz of course
06.30.28 #       <thu> top of list
06.30.40 #       <earHurts> new jazz or old style?
06.30.49 #       <thu> go to jazz and she's on top of the list
06.30.57 #       <artine> thu: Yeah, I really dig that Gabrielle Roth album.  I was so excited to get all the others, but they don't sound anything like that one.
06.30.59 #       <thu> bebop I think
06.31.06 #       <earHurts> hmm
06.31.42 #       <thu> I'm so used to p2p networks that I can't stand an idle downloader
06.31.45 #       <thu> I like to feed it all the time
06.32.20 #       <earHurts> i prefer legality
06.32.49 #       <artine> I prefer the consistent sound quality of eMusic.  I tried the p2p networks for a while, but there was no QC.  Such a pain.
06.32.53 #       <thu> I like emusic too
06.33.04 #       <thu> yeah I can't say I got too much off p2p
06.33.08 #       <thu> mostly out of friends
06.33.11 #       <thu> who got it out of friends
06.33.13 #       <thu> etc
06.33.18 #       <thu> who encoded it
06.33.45 #       <artine> Damn!  My settings aren't applying unless I save and load them.  I'm so close to having this feature fully implemented, and yet so far.
06.33.46 #       <earHurts> want to do a test guys?
06.33.48 #       <thu> oh and that guy who let me copy his 70 mp3 cd collection
06.34.01 #       <earHurts> settings are a bitch
06.34.09 #       <thu> who's implementing what?
06.34.15 #       <artine> earHurts: Yeah they are
06.34.22 #       <earHurts> settings don't save until the disk spins for another reason
06.34.22 #       <artine> thu: I"m adding some new sorting features to RockBox
06.34.44 #       <thu> artine: how hard is it to write a rock if i've never played with stuff like this before?
06.34.44 #       <artine> earHurts: Some settings do seem to take effect immediately (show files of type (dirfilter)) for example.
06.35.00 #       <thu> artine: in other words how much hardware do I have to know and how much is just C api?
06.35.00 #       <earHurts> are not saved to disk
06.35.20 #       <thu> artine: I was thinking of doing some sync software
06.35.27 #       <earHurts> it's all C unless you want to talk directly to the hardware
06.35.39 #       <earHurts> let's do a test of emusic.
06.35.42 #       <thu> hmm I don't think I need to do that
06.35.45 #       <thu> okay.. test what?
06.35.55 #       <artine> thu: Depends on what you're doing.  For me, it was mostly just API, except for getting the time/dates of files when they were being loaded.
06.36.03 #       <thu> I'd only need to store the pc music library on the jukebox
06.36.04 #       <earHurts> d/l speed: we all d/l the same thing
06.36.07 #       <artine> thu: But for sync software, you'd prolly need to know a bit more hardware.
06.36.09 #       <thu> then browse it and save requests in a file
06.36.20 #       <thu> artine: nah.. the syncing is done by the pc software
06.36.30 #       <thu> artine: it just moves music in and out
06.36.31 #       <artine> earHurts: Can't join in the test, I'm on my development platform, so I don't have the DLM installed :-/
06.37.00 #       <thu> artine: the only thing that I must do on the archos is to store and browse the pc media library and save requests into a file
06.37.08 #       <thu> artine: I got the idea from neuros
06.37.11 #       <thu> it has software that does that
06.37.17 #       <artine> thu: (Although it took me a good 1.5 hours just to find the parts of the code that I needed to be working with.)
06.37.18 #       <thu> you can request a file from the hard drive when you're on the move
06.37.27 #       <thu> then when you sync you get the stuff
06.37.44 #       <artine> thu: Hmm...  That'd be pretty cool...  That seems like it'd be more of a computer thing than an archos prog, though.
06.37.50 #       <thu> right
06.37.53 #       <earHurts> yeah
06.37.57 #       <thu> I'm no archos programmer either
06.38.12 #       <artine> thu: If you know C, you can learn the archos pretty quickly.
06.38.18 #       <thu> it still needs to have a library manager and a browser on rockbox
06.38.35 #       <thu> I'm not sure what happens when you move the files on your pc though
06.39.17 #       <thu> artine: also my alternate idea was an interactive text-to-speech generated nethack kind of game
06.39.22 #       <artine> thu: Post your idea to the listserv and see if you can get some suggestions.
06.39.35 #       <thu> artine: that would be sweet in a perverse kind of way
06.39.52 #       <artine> thu: I don't think that's really feasible on the archos hardware, actually.
06.40.08 #       <thu> artine: why not? can't you play short mp3s?
06.40.15 #       <earHurts> games with sound won't be playable with music playing
06.40.22 #       <thu> I realize that
06.40.34 #       <artine> thu: Oh, yeah, you can do that.  I thought you meant generating the speech in realtime.
06.40.42 #       <thu> no
06.40.47 #       <thu> just filling a dir with tons of short files
06.40.55 #       <thu> generated automatically with a text to speech engine
06.40.59 #       <artine> thu: Ah, that might be conceivable.
06.41.21 #       <thu> artine: so you'd have a sort of interactive book on tape
06.41.30 #       * artine nods
06.41.32 #       <thu> artine: that's more work though
06.41.37 #       <artine> thu: Lots.
06.41.43 #       <thu> artine: and it needs a good TTS engine.. like at&t
06.41.46 #       <artine> thu: But it could be a fun little project.
06.42.02 #       <thu> mm I wonder how much text nethack has in it
06.42.26 #       <earHurts> lots
06.42.38 #       <thu> still.. voice doesn't need hiq sound
06.43.02 #       <thu> the other problem would be that it would require tons of disk access
06.43.09 #       <thu> so the drive would be spinning non-stop
06.43.21 #       <thu> buh bye battery life
06.43.41 #       <thu> oh well.. back to the sync software then :)
06.43.46 #       <artine> thu: Heh. Good point.
06.43.58 #       <earHurts> um
06.43.58 #       <thu> artine: any idea how much memory a recorder has?
06.44.05 #       <thu> the buffer thing
06.44.08 #       <artine> thu: 2MB, I believe.
06.44.38 #       <earHurts> about 1.6 for the mp3
06.44.39 #       <thu> not enough for any intelligent sound preloading
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06.45.01 #       <thu> okay.. getting back to the real world
06.45.10 #       <artine> Hee hee
06.45.10 #       <thu> what features would you guys like in a rockbox syncer
06.45.11 #       <thu> ?
06.45.23 #       <thu> I'm still evaluating whether I wanna get into this
06.45.46 #       <earHurts> somebody on the list already has a syncer
06.45.54 #       <thu> oh they do?
06.45.56 #       <earHurts> you might look at his
06.46.01 #       <artine> thu: Think CVS...  It'd be frickin' awesome if I could just type archos-sync update, and then it automatically updates my MP3s onto the archos
06.46.01 #       <thu> link
06.46.01 #       <thu> ?
06.46.06 #       <earHurts> dunno
06.46.17 #       <earHurts> I use another product
06.46.27 #       * ClosetPacifist just types archstuff to sync his.
06.46.27 #       <thu> product?
06.46.29 #       <earHurts> I just want to mirror
06.46.40 #       <thu> oh I don't mean mirror
06.46.49 #       <thu> I mean 80G of mp3 on pc and 20G of space on archos
06.46.51 #       <thu> like in my case
06.46.56 #       <thu> mirroring is easy
06.47.10 #       <earHurts> yeah, that's why I have 60 on the archos
06.47.21 #       <artine> ::drools::
06.47.34 #       <earHurts> and a bent case
06.47.37 #       <thu> I'm too destructive to upgrade mine
06.47.40 #       <artine> Ouch.  What happened?
06.47.50 #       <thu> he used a bigger hammer :)
06.47.53 #       <thu> like the good book says
06.47.55 #       <artine> LOL
06.47.56 #       <earHurts> I bent it to swap the drives
06.48.25 #       <earHurts> no bigge
06.49.34 #       * thu wonders where his irc logs are
06.51.59 #       <artine> Okay, this is weird now.  My settings will become effective immediately if I also change other settings, but not if I change mine alone...
06.52.38 #       <OliverKlozoff> you probably forgot to call some code
06.52.51 #       <earHurts> reboot. set your settings. play a track. reboot.
06.53.20 #       <earHurts> you did and code to settings_save
06.53.32 #       <artine> OliverKlozoff: Yeah, that's what I was thinking.  But dirfilter is one of those that takes place immediately, and I'm not doing anything markedly different from it.
06.53.33 #       * thu looks for his good rockbox ideas in his irc logs
06.53.45 #       <artine> earHurts: Yep, it's all added.
06.53.48 #       <thu> oh right.. stats
06.54.04 #       <thu> some rockbox watchdog that could tell ya about stuff you keep around but you never listen to
06.54.35 #       <earHurts> there is an id3 tag for that
06.54.40 #       <earHurts> consider using it
06.54.47 #       <artine> thu: Yeah, that was a cool feature that I like about the Rio back when I was researching portable MP3 players.  I was gonna try to implement something like that, but I decided it was too much hassle :-)
06.55.06 #       <thu> hmm but then again there is stuff I keep around because I want the whole discography
06.55.15 #       <earHurts> btw, windows media player will severely fuck with your tags
06.55.35 #       <thu> unfortunatelly it doesn't work well on linux :)
06.58.07 #       <OliverKlozoff> whats windows media player?
06.58.10 #       <OliverKlozoff> is that like winamp?
06.58.23 #       <earHurts> yeah
06.58.29 #       <thu> it's like xmms but worse
06.58.43 #       <earHurts> damned thing even added a copyright to my mp3s
06.59.10 #       <earHurts> I got them from emusic; emusic could have added a copyright if one was needed
06.59.10 #       <artine> earHurts: You mean just playing an MP3 will cause it to write ID3 tags???
06.59.18 #       <earHurts> yes
06.59.23 #       <artine> earHurts: Yikes...
06.59.31 #       <earHurts> there are settings to disable this
07.00.18 #       <earHurts> it also adds proprietart tags, with tag titles prefixed WM/
07.00.42 #       <artine> Most unpleasant.
07.00.58 #       <earHurts> it does do a good job of looking up track composers though
07.01.14 #       <earHurts> what is needed is a freedb for id3 tags
07.01.25 #       <artine> That'd be spiffy.
07.03.24 #       <earHurts> wmp also has the worst interface this side of music match
07.04.25 #       <earHurts> fortunately, I've stayed with a much older version of wmp at home
07.07.15 #       <artine> Okay, maybe someone can help me.  My new settings take effect if I reboot the machine, if I play a file, or if I change another setting.  But they do not take effect immediately just from changing my setting.  My setting pretty much requires the box to reload the directory listing.  Any idea how I can force that to happen?
07.08.50 #       <artine> Wait, I take that back: simply playing a file does not cause it to take effect.
07.08.53 #       <earHurts> oh, you wante the dir cache invalidated?
07.09.08 #       <artine> earHurts: That's my current theory, yes. :-)
07.09.28 #       <earHurts> becasuse you change the sort order?
07.09.56 #       <artine> earHurts: Right.
07.10.31 #       <earHurts> dunno how, but tree.c probably has a way to invalidate the cache
07.11.15 #       <artine> earHurts: You're prolly right.  I'll have a little look-see.
07.23.11 #       <artine> Hmm...  I got it working through a bit of a hack.  In build_dir, I told it to always reload_root when it returns from main_menu.  Now I just need to figure out why main_menu is returning true for the other settings and not mine...
07.23.50 #       <earHurts> I assume true means a change occurred?
07.24.05 #       <artine> Or, dirbrowse(), rather than build_dir()
07.24.24 #       * thu downloading loong ambiental tracks
07.24.35 #       <artine> earHurts: Well, no actually...  True means USB is connected...  At least, that's the only condition I can find for it to return true.  That and there being some sort of function attached to the menu item.  (Which there isn't for dirfilter)
07.24.44 #       <earHurts> get bamboo rainsticks
07.25.20 #       <thu> yup it's on my list
07.25.27 #       <thu> is there a todo list for rockbox?
07.25.32 #       <earHurts> maybe you need a special function then, which will return true on a change
07.25.36 #       <thu> something a new guy might look at for places to start?
07.25.49 #       <earHurts> look at the requests list
07.25.50 #       <artine> thu: Feature Requests, from the main page
07.26.23 #       <artine> earHurts: Yeah, I was thinking I could do that if all else fails.  Just doesn't make sense that mine would need it and the others, which are of the same format, wouldn't...
07.26.57 #       <earHurts> the others don't need to invalidate the cache, do they?
07.28.59 #       <thu> darn I have no way of implementing any of this stuff
07.29.35 #       <artine> earHurts: Yes.  The ones I've played with, anyway.
07.29.38 #       <thu> hmm this is cool.. automatic volume adjustment using the builtin mic
07.29.43 #       <thu> I wonder if it's possible
07.29.50 #       <earHurts> it's not
07.30.07 #       <earHurts> I asked about doing that a couple of days ago
07.30.19 #       <earHurts> mic doesn't worl while playing
07.30.19 #       <thu> too bad
07.30.31 #       <thu> they should close the request then
07.31.08 #       <thu> what about sound activated recording?
07.31.36 #       <earHurts> that should be doable
07.32.02 #       <artine> thu: But prolly not a good first project...
07.32.08 #       <thu> heh what is then
07.32.12 #       <earHurts> problem is this: data is put into mp3 format BEFORE you see it
07.32.16 #       <artine> thu: Might be better to start with something a bit easier, just to learn about it.
07.32.20 #       <thu> Write a driver for Windows XP that is digitally signed.
07.32.24 #       <thu> mm nice request :)
07.32.42 #       <thu> only micros~1 signs stuff iirc
07.33.18 #       <earHurts> you want a project, thu?
07.33.25 #       <thu> earHurts: I'm considering one
07.33.43 #       <earHurts> ok, I'll give you  a simple on to start with
07.33.54 #       <thu> what would that b?
07.34.54 #       <earHurts> make the play button, for directories, do what on+playlplaylistlinsert first does
07.35.08 #       <earHurts> in other words, play a directory
07.35.31 #       <thu> hmm got it
07.35.36 #       <artine> That'd be very nice.
07.35.44 #       <artine> And shouldn't be too terribly tough.
07.36.10 #       <thu> how would you get into the dir then?
07.36.22 #       <earHurts> right button
07.36.31 #       <thu> mm right
07.36.51 #       <earHurts> might not do  for players
07.37.21 #       <thu> okay I'll start with the first time docs
07.37.25 #       <thu> see where I get to
07.37.28 #       <earHurts> ok, can you have that by, say, Monday?
07.37.56 #       <thu> I have no idea
07.38.08 #       <thu> probably not but who knows
07.38.48 #       <earHurts> Then you're fired!
07.38.56 #       <earHurts> damn contractors!
07.39.11 #       <artine> Hee hee.  Fired from a volunteer, open source project. :-)
07.39.28 #       <artine> Gawd, thu, pitiful :-P
07.39.37 #       * thu ducks
07.39.38 #       <earHurts> and I'm not even a member of the executive cmmtt
07.42.35 #       <thu> hmm on news.gmane.org there is nothing from the mailing list 
07.42.40 #       <thu> just a single message
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07.56.26 #       <artine> Whoa...  I finally figured it out.  I just got unlucky: turns out there's a special case in dirbrowse() for the two settings that I had tested.  LOL.  Programming drives me nuts sometimes :-)
07.56.56 #       <earHurts> told ya
07.57.30 #       <artine> Hee hee.
07.57.34 #       <artine> Sneaky little bastards.
07.57.52 #       <artine> It was in the middle of a 4 line if clause...
07.59.36 #       <earHurts> lot of that sort of thing in rockbox
08.01.56 #       <artine> Sweet.  It works now.
08.01.58 #       <artine> Bedtime
08.01.59 #       <artine> :-)
08.02.02 #       <artine> Have a good one, all.
08.02.20 #       <earHurts> night
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08.05.58 #       <thu> i'm off too
08.06.10 #       <thu> got myself a river flowing
08.06.14 #       <thu> made me sleepy
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20.39.23 #       <eXus_> hi
20.39.50 #       <eXus_> need some help (again)
20.41.47 #       <eXus_> I ask, hope someone'll answer : what the value of the tension delivered by the FM recorder charger (9V 600mA) when unplugged from the player ?
20.42.54 #       <eXus_> (mean is it an intelligent charger, which delivers a tension only if plugged to some device ?)
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21.10.56 #       * OliverKlozoff yawns
21.11.06 #       <OliverKlozoff> tension?
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21.30.06 #       <OliverKlozoff> sup thu
21.30.15 #       <thu> hey
21.31.10 #       <OliverKlozoff> you wouldn't happen to be loaded with experience on writing Windows device drivers, would you?
21.39.30 #       <thu> far from that
21.39.37 #       <thu> I'm not even using windows
21.40.58 #       <eXus> sorry Oliver, didn't saw u'r question
21.41.35 #       <eXus> yeah, tension (is it the wrong word ????)
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21.54.31 #       <_Jiggy_> 'lo guys
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21.54.41 #       <ClosetPacifist> ello
21.54.58 #       <_Jiggy_> Heya mate, you involved in this project ?
21.55.21 #       <ClosetPacifist> not really, just use it and try to get the cross compiler running
21.55.32 #       <_Jiggy_> :)
21.56.20 #       <_Jiggy_> I found my Archos earlier, haven't played with it for a year or so and remembered the start of an open source firmware project... anyway, I just wanted to say thanks to the developers. Works a treat.
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23.14.26 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Does anybody know if and how I can distinguish Player/Recorder/FM at _runtime_?
23.14.39 #       <OliverKlozoff> hmmmm.
23.14.43 #       <OliverKlozoff> an interesting challenge
23.15.08 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I don't like 3 builds for my boot code.
23.15.14 #       <OliverKlozoff> it should be easy for the player vs non-player
23.15.28 #       <[IDC]Dragon> By what?
23.15.36 #       <OliverKlozoff> oh, I see
23.16.01 #       <OliverKlozoff> ok, the Players have a different ATA addressing method
23.16.27 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Which is found out how?
23.17.12 #       <OliverKlozoff> well
23.17.15 #       <OliverKlozoff> probing?
23.17.40 #       <OliverKlozoff> theres ata probing code in RB
23.17.49 #       <[IDC]Dragon> YOu may be right, I think I've seen that code.
23.18.02 #       <OliverKlozoff> if you look
23.18.14 #       <OliverKlozoff> ata.c points ATA_NSECTOR at 0x06100102
23.18.42 #       <OliverKlozoff> ATA_NSECTOR is actually 0x06100002 on a player
23.18.53 #       <OliverKlozoff> and 0x06000102 on a recorder/fm
23.20.08 #       <[IDC]Dragon> These registers are physically in the harddrive?
23.21.56 #       <[IDC]Dragon> gotta go, see you!
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