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00.39.34 #       <diddystar5> hardeep: ya there?
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00.41.39 #       <ironi> hello
00.42.12 #       <diddystar5> hey
00.43.05 #       <ironi> how much is a jb6000 worth nowadays
00.43.09 #       <ironi> thinking of selling mine
00.43.38 #       <diddystar5> not much
00.43.58 #       <diddystar5> you should get a recorder they are alot better
00.43.59 #       <ironi> it has stopped charging batteries
00.44.13 #       <ironi> so i have an GP charger
00.44.26 #       <ironi> thought of selling it witht he charger and double sets of batteries
00.44.37 #       <ironi> is $70 expecting too much?
00.44.51 #       <ironi> actually i'd be satisfied with $60
00.45.02 #       <diddystar5> sounds about right
00.46.22 #       <tracktheripper> hello
00.46.59 #       <diddystar5> hey track
00.50.34 #       <tracktheripper> hello diddstar
00.50.35 #       <tracktheripper> whats up?
00.50.48 #       <diddystar5> hey track,       are you a good programer?
00.51.54 #       <tracktheripper> no
00.51.57 #       <tracktheripper> i cannot program
00.52.05 #       <tracktheripper> im an admirer here more than anything else
00.52.08 #       <tracktheripper> and I have a recorder 10
00.53.17 #       <diddystar5> never mind     I need to talk to someone that is a pro at it right now like HARDEEP
00.54.47 #       <tracktheripper> well no-one is here
00.54.49 #       <tracktheripper> what JB do u have?
00.55.09 #       <diddystar5> r20
00.55.37 #       <diddystar5> i started with a jb5k then returned it
00.55.59 #       <tracktheripper> oh right 
00.56.03 #       <tracktheripper> what was the player like?
00.56.09 #       <diddystar5> sad
00.56.25 #       <diddystar5> the recorder is so much better
00.57.48 #       <diddystar5> gotta go
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00.58.37 #       <ironi> yeah the player is not much of value
00.58.47 #       <ironi> but it has given me lot of fun
00.59.16 #       <ironi> i will get an ipod now though, for size reasons only (and i get it for a very good price :)
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01.01.51 #       <tracktheripper> ironi do u still have ur player?
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01.11.01 #       <diddystar5> hardeep: please talk to me :)
01.11.02 #       <hardeep> diddystar5: here, what's up?
01.11.16 #       <diddystar5> thanks
01.11.28 #       <diddystar5> the clock in bouncer dosen't work!
01.11.55 #       <hardeep> diddystar5: bouncer?  as in the bounce demo?
01.12.08 #       <diddystar5> yep
01.12.28 #       <hardeep> it used to have a clock?
01.12.48 #       <diddystar5> before it became a plugin    yes
01.14.14 #       <ironi> i do...
01.15.39 #       <ironi> sounded like i was the only one in the world still owning a player =)
01.16.44 #       <hardeep> diddystar5: looks like it was intentionally removed by Zagor when he converted it to a plugin... he'd be the one to ask
01.18.06 #       <diddystar5> i don't know       in bounce.c,  the code for the clock is still there
01.19.17 #       <diddystar5> never mind    it looks like your right,  the clock is defined but never used
01.19.18 #       <hardeep> diddystar5: yes, but it's been #ifdef'd out (USE_CLOCK)
01.20.08 #       <diddystar5> should have looked before i yelled :)
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03.41.20 #       <Neo> hey guys
03.41.25 #       <Neo> reading on the requests
03.41.34 #       <Neo> and there is the chip8 emulator
03.42.33 #       <Neo> how do i install a patch
03.42.38 #       <Neo> and where do i download it
03.45.06 #       <thu> my suggestion would be to wait until it sneaks its way into a nightly build
03.45.17 #       <thu> to use a patch you have to compile your own rockbox
03.46.33 #       <Neo> o
03.46.36 #       <Neo> complicated?
03.46.56 #       <thu> requires more work than just dragging a file to your jukebox
03.47.00 #       <Neo> yeh
03.47.06 #       <Neo> but how do i download a patch
03.47.14 #       <Neo> the one i want is under patches
03.47.16 #       <thu> like any file
03.47.43 #       <thu> patch = set of modifications to the rockbox source code
03.47.56 #       <Neo> ye
03.48.02 #       <Neo> how do i get the modifications
03.48.06 #       <Neo> or the patch
03.48.08 #       <thu> you can't use a patch w/out compiling your own rockbox
03.48.17 #       <Neo> how
03.48.23 #       <thu> read the site
03.48.26 #       <thu> under docs
03.48.31 #       <Neo> ok
03.48.33 #       <Neo> i will tomorrow
03.48.40 #       <Neo> u gona be here in the morning
03.48.49 #       <thu> probably not
03.48.52 #       <Neo> o
03.48.56 #       <Neo> someone else can help me
03.48.56 #       <Neo> thanks
03.48.57 #       <Neo> bye
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06.33.36 #       <adi|home> i _love_ questions from ppl to lazy/stupid to read the directions for themselves
06.35.53 #       <thu> I don't cuz I sometimes ask stupid questions myself
06.35.59 #       <thu> but I usually take the hints and go rtfm
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09.20.30 #       <ironi> there is not gonna be more development on the rockbox for the player, is ti?
09.20.32 #       <ironi> it
09.24.06 #       <tracktheripper> i doubt it
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12.01.48 #       <Quelsaruk> Stevie[FP]: are you alive?
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14.47.40 #       <Quelsaruk> cu!
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15.31.06 #       <Neo> hey
15.31.10 #       <Neo> how do i apply a patch i 
15.31.12 #       <Neo> i have it
15.38.30 #       <Neo> anyone?
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15.44.12 #       <eXus> hi
15.44.23 #       <Neo> hi
15.44.28 #       <Neo> i have the diff
15.44.29 #       <Neo> the patch
15.44.33 #       <Neo> how do i install it now
15.44.45 #       <eXus> sorry; don't know...
15.44.57 #       <Neo> no
15.44.59 #       <Neo> ugg
15.45.05 #       <Neo> thanks anyway
15.45.09 #       <eXus> np...
15.45.18 #       <eXus> anybody there got a FM recorder ?
15.45.26 #       <eXus> or know the specs of the charger ?
15.46.08 #       <eXus> or knows any other Archos products related IRC ?
15.46.42 #       <Neo> i have an archos recorder
15.46.44 #       <Neo> not fm
15.46.51 #       <Neo> ive heard the fm tuner isnt that good
15.46.57 #       <eXus> it's really good...
15.47.02 #       <Neo> o
15.47.04 #       <eXus> even if it doesn't work for me ;)
15.47.07 #       <Neo> ok
15.47.12 #       <Neo> no
15.47.19 #       <Neo> it tuning into radio stations isnt clear
15.47.26 #       <Neo> the product itself is probably good
15.47.30 #       <eXus> I'm in France, so it won't matter there
15.47.33 #       <Neo> all archos products are good
15.47.34 #       <Neo> ;)
15.47.38 #       <eXus> :)
15.47.57 #       <eXus> just before it died, I tried to hear at some radio stations....
15.48.00 #       <eXus> worked great
15.48.16 #       <eXus> (it's not dead, it's just... hmmm... sleeping)
15.48.48 #       <eXus> seems like they gave me the wrong charger... they gave me the same as u'r
15.49.02 #       <eXus> v u the specs ?
15.49.11 #       <Neo> 1 sec
15.49.14 #       <Neo> leme see
15.49.14 #       <eXus> k
15.49.41 #       <Neo> input: 120v av 60 hz
15.49.52 #       <Neo> output: 9v dc 600mA
15.49.55 #       <eXus> LOL
15.50.04 #       <eXus> ok; they're almost stupid....
15.50.21 #       <eXus> now the charger they gave me is dead, and my player has it's batteries down
15.50.37 #       <Neo> that sucks
15.50.38 #       <Neo> i gtg
15.50.40 #       <eXus> in fact I believe it should be a 5V 1200mA for me !
15.50.42 #       <eXus> ok
15.50.44 #       <eXus> bye
15.50.51 #       <Neo> email me if u find out about the plugins
15.50.56 #       <eXus> ok
15.50.59 #       <Neo> rubberdukkie52@aol.com
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17.14.57 #       <Neo> do i haveto install rockbox-daily.tar.gz
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18.07.47 #       <Neo> hey
18.09.05 #       <diddystar5> Neo: hey
18.11.15 #       <Neo> does anyone know how to install a diff patch
18.11.16 #       <Neo> or plugin
18.11.58 #       <diddystar5> use the command patch < (name).diff
18.12.35 #       <diddystar5> this explains alot   http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/patch.html
18.13.11 #       <Neo> wyeh
18.13.15 #       <Neo> thats confusing to me
18.13.19 #       <Neo> whree do i type in a patch
18.13.29 #       <Neo> where do i get the command patch
18.13.40 #       <diddystar5> do you have cygwin?
18.13.55 #       <Neo> no
18.13.58 #       <Neo> whre do i get that
18.14.28 #       <diddystar5> ok one sec
18.14.33 #       <Neo> :)
18.15.14 #       <diddystar5> http://rockbox.my-vserver.de/win32-sdk.html    read that
18.16.06 #       <Neo> ok
18.16.12 #       <Neo> stay on just incase i need some help
18.16.22 #       <diddystar5> ok
18.18.30 #       <MT> patches are for developers really
18.18.39 #       <MT> they arent meant for users to apply themselves
18.19.09 #       <diddystar5> im not a *good* developer      but i learned to use patches!
18.19.31 #       <Neo> yeh
18.19.35 #       <Neo> its confusing
18.19.44 #       <Neo> i just want my archos to run the chip 8 emulator
18.19.46 #       <Neo> u kno?
18.20.02 #       <MT> hah
18.20.04 #       <MT> ye
18.20.07 #       <diddystar5> o     trust me   your not missing much with the chip 8 thingy
18.20.07 #       <MT> yes
18.20.11 #       <Neo> do u have it
18.20.15 #       <Neo> o really?
18.20.15 #       <Neo> why
18.20.21 #       <MT> funnily enough its the most common thing people ask for
18.20.23 #       <MT> guess what
18.20.32 #       <MT> theres a reason its not in the main firmware
18.20.37 #       <MT> its not very good.
18.20.38 #       <Neo> why
18.20.42 #       <MT> at all.
18.20.42 #       <Neo> how
18.20.49 #       <diddystar5> many games don't work very well      and the rest are just kinda boring    except space invaders
18.21.01 #       <Neo> well id like to have the option
18.21.09 #       <Neo> any way i could get other games?
18.21.15 #       <MT> sure
18.21.18 #       <Neo> how
18.21.19 #       <MT> do you know much C?
18.21.24 #       <Neo> nope
18.21.30 #       <Neo> cant i download
18.21.54 #       <Neo> and install more games
18.22.20 #       <diddystar5> hey MT do ya have that wormlet patch done?
18.22.28 #       <MT> if someone writes one, yes
18.22.32 #       <MT> no diddystar5
18.22.39 #       <MT> im going on holiday on friday you see
18.22.52 #       <diddystar5> ok
18.22.56 #       <MT> and i ahve <------------------------------------------------------> that much work to finish by friday morning
18.23.03 #       <MT> well
18.23.08 #       <MT> 'a lot' of work
18.23.08 #       <MT> :/
18.23.14 #       <diddystar5> o     don't hurry yourself :)
18.23.32 #       <Neo> what does this mean
18.23.33 #       <Neo> cd c:\cygwin
18.23.33 #       <Neo>    bzip2.exe -d rockbox-sdk_win32.tar.bz2
18.23.33 DBUG    Enqueued KICK Neo
18.23.33 #       <Neo>    tar xvf rockbox-sdk_win32.tar
18.23.45 #       <MT> you've got an ordinary recorder yeah?
18.24.09 #       <MT> seriously, if you didnt get that, id worry about applying patches :)
18.24.18 #       <Neo> recorder 20
18.24.22 #       <Neo> ok
18.24.31 #       <Neo> i just wana learn it
18.24.40 #       <MT> sure
18.24.44 #       <diddystar5> hehe   me to neo   do you have one of the black ones?
18.24.48 #       <MT> those are commands that you type in on the command line
18.25.03 #       <MT> i could do you an old build of it diddystar if you like
18.25.34 #       <Neo> no
18.25.35 #       <Neo> blue
18.26.16 #       <diddystar5> sure MT
18.27.27 #       <diddystar5> Neo: what version of windows do you have?
18.27.37 #       <Neo> xp pro
18.27.39 #       <Neo> sp2
18.27.49 #       <Neo> cant u just build one for me
18.27.54 #       <Neo> and tell me how to install the patch
18.28.46 #       <diddystar5> to open a command line, go to start-all programs-accesories-command prompt
18.29.02 #       <Neo> or cmd on run
18.29.05 #       <Neo> yeh
18.29.07 #       <Neo> then waht to i do
18.29.40 #       <diddystar5> type you commands like "cd"
18.29.41 #       <Neo> ?
18.31.28 #       <diddystar5> ya got it now?
18.31.56 #       <MT> diddystar5: http://mt.staff.impulsed.net/rockbox/
18.32.07 #       <MT> its _very_ old cvs its built with tho
18.32.22 #       <Neo> cd?
18.32.31 #       <MT> and i may have actually nuked the changes, not sure ;)
18.32.36 #       <Neo> whats the fill command
18.32.39 #       <Neo> *full
18.32.41 #       <Neo> ;)
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18.32.57 #       <MT> http://rockbox.my-vserver.de/win32-sdk.html explains it
18.33.36 #       <diddystar5> MT: thanks for the builds
18.33.53 #       <MT> np
18.36.17 #       <Neo> i type in this
18.36.18 #       <Neo> cd c:\cygwin
18.36.18 #       <Neo>    bzip2.exe -d rockbox-sdk_win32.tar.bz2
18.36.18 #       <Neo>    tar xvf rockbox-sdk_win32.tar
18.36.19 #       <Neo> ?
18.37.28 #       <MT> assuming you have done steps 1, 2 and 3 first, yes
18.38.05 #       <Neo> ok
18.38.08 #       <Neo> then what will come out
18.38.35 #       <diddystar5> should
18.39.21 #       <MT> a lot of text should fly past when you do the last command
18.39.27 #       <Neo> yeh
18.40.09 #       <Neo> how do i do an enter in the command promt 
18.40.23 #       <MT> umm
18.40.26 #       <Neo> without it processing the first line
18.40.36 #       <MT> you do each one in turn
18.40.42 #       <Neo> yeh
18.41.31 #       <Neo> well
18.41.36 #       <Neo> it sais input file doenst exist
18.42.01 #       <MT> im guessing you didnt follow step 2 then
18.42.39 #       <Neo> i put the  rockbox-sdk_win32.tar.bz2 in my c:\cygwin
18.42.47 #       <Neo> then i typed 
18.42.53 #       <Neo> bzip2.exe -d rockbox-sdk_win32.tar.bz2
18.42.57 #       <Neo> but it said it doenst exist
18.43.15 #       <MT> what directory are you in
18.43.25 #       <Neo> c:\cygwin
18.43.29 #       <Neo> i think its named wrong
18.43.30 #       <Neo> my bad
18.43.33 #       <Neo> leme try again
18.44.33 #       <Neo> :0
18.44.37 #       <Neo> worked
18.44.55 #       <Neo> not text
18.45.09 #       <Neo> but it made my rockbox-sdk_win32.tar.bz2 20 megs
18.45.12 #       <Neo> does that mean it worked?
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18.45.25 #       <MT> do the next command
18.46.06 #       <diddystar5> ya getting there neo!
18.46.11 #       <Neo> then comes lost of text
18.46.13 #       <Neo> :)
18.46.20 #       <Neo> ok
18.46.21 #       <Neo> done 
18.46.22 #       <Neo> now what
18.46.30 #       <MT> move to step 5
18.47.20 #       <Neo> ive already done that
18.47.23 #       <Neo> should i do it again?
18.48.06 #       <MT> go to step 6
18.48.19 #       <Neo> ok
18.48.24 #       <Neo> its at the prompt
18.48.28 #       <Neo> and i have that file
18.48.36 #       <Neo> now do i type in the stuff down there?
18.49.39 #       <Neo> or what
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18.50.08 #       <Neo> where do i put rockbox-tools.tar.bz2
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18.54.44 #       <diddystar5> Neo: i have a chip8 build for you but you *must* not send this to anyone else   ok?
19.00.16 #       <Neo> yes
19.00.17 #       <Neo> ok
19.00.21 #       <Neo> i wont
19.00.30 #       <Neo> do u wana send it through here
19.00.31 #       <Neo> or email
19.00.38 #       <diddystar5> ok  whats your email?
19.00.44 #       <Neo> my email is rubberdukkie52@aol.com
19.01.06 #       <Neo> thanks
19.01.12 #       <Neo> tell me wen to check it
19.03.37 #       <diddystar5> it should be sent now
19.03.40 #       <Neo> ok
19.03.47 #       <Neo> what is it and what do i do with it
19.04.30 #       <diddystar5> just unzip it       paste ajbrec.ajz to your ajb    and copy to games to your drive
19.04.44 #       <Neo> but what about future daily builds
19.04.55 #       <diddystar5> to play the games just "play" them like songs
19.04.59 #       <Neo> yeh
19.05.08 #       <Neo> but wont it replace my ajbrec.ajz now?
19.05.26 #       <diddystar5> yes   you can just rename that one
19.05.30 #       <Neo> yeh
19.05.37 #       <Neo> but wont it boot to the new one
19.05.50 #       <Neo> and tehn future ajbrecs that come out
19.06.22 #       <diddystar5> ooo     just name is to chip8.ajz        and rolo to it
19.06.30 #       <Neo> rolo?
19.07.44 #       <Neo> ?
19.07.46 #       <diddystar5> yep    just press play on chip8.ajz    (make sure you can see all files and folders: F2 and down til it says "all")
19.09.11 #       <Neo> o
19.09.15 #       <Neo> gotcha
19.09.19 #       <Neo> thanks
19.09.21 #       <Neo> brb
19.09.25 #       <diddystar5> ok
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19.11.09 #       <Neo> do i need to copy those rocks?
19.42.29 #       <Neo> hey
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19.43.23 #       <Neo> hey
19.43.25 #       <Quelsaruk> hi
19.43.28 #       <Quelsaruk> i need linus!!
19.43.31 #       <Quelsaruk> or zagor
19.44.25 #       <Neo> yeh
19.44.30 #       <Neo> same here
19.44.44 #       <Neo> have u done anything with the chip8 emulator
19.50.16 #       <Quelsaruk> nops
19.50.39 #       <Quelsaruk> i have rockbox on flash and have detected a quite serious problem with ata driver :)
19.50.54 #       <Quelsaruk> i'm a rat lab.. or a really crazy guy
19.51.38 #       <Neo> rockbox on flash?
19.51.56 #       <Quelsaruk> yups
19.52.02 #       <Quelsaruk> just a test
19.52.34 #       <Quelsaruk> but it needs a bit more time to be perfect for everyone
19.52.49 #       <Quelsaruk> just works perfectly on certain jukeboxes
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19.55.39 #       <Neo> what do u mean flash
19.57.20 #       <Quelsaruk> rockbox on rom
19.57.27 #       <Neo> o
19.57.34 #       <Neo> can u make patches?
19.57.41 #       <Quelsaruk> not right now
19.57.49 #       <Quelsaruk> maybe later...
19.58.00 #       <Quelsaruk> (i have to change to linux for that)
19.59.09 #       <Neo> o
19.59.15 #       <Neo> is it easy in linux?
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20.01.34 #       <Neo> hey
20.01.34 #       <Neo> alf
20.01.37 #       <Neo> can u make patches
20.02.06 #       <_aLF> hi
20.02.08 #       <_aLF> ?
20.02.10 #       <adi|home> neo.. what are you looking for/
20.02.12 #       <adi|home> ?
20.02.14 #       <Neo> well
20.02.29 #       <Neo> the word wrap for viewing text 
20.02.32 #       <Neo> u know?
20.02.49 #       <adi|home> what about it
20.03.46 #       <Neo> do u have na already built patch
20.03.50 #       <Neo> *an
20.04.07 #       <adi|home> okay.. we don't do 'already built patches'
20.04.17 #       <adi|home> patches are intended for developers to play with..
20.04.21 #       <adi|home> but if you want one.. 
20.04.29 #       <Neo> yeh?
20.04.36 #       <adi|home> or to try other patches...
20.04.48 #       <adi|home> follow the docs on building a cross compiler, then build rockbox yourself...
20.04.55 #       <Neo> yeh
20.04.58 #       <Neo> i cant do that
20.05.02 #       <Neo> i got to step 5
20.05.04 #       <Neo> then no more
20.05.10 #       <Neo> can u build one for me?
20.05.54 #       <Quelsaruk> adi, do you understand *panic* messages??
20.05.55 #       <Quelsaruk> ;)
20.06.04 #       <Neo> no
20.06.08 #       <Neo> dont know what they are
20.06.10 #       <adi|home> quelsaruk .. not to much about them...
20.06.19 #       <Neo> and i need the calinder and memos
20.06.19 #       <adi|home> but i can try and help if you want ;)
20.06.20 #       <Neo> ;)
20.06.35 #       <adi|home> neo.. no one is going to build it for you...
20.06.47 #       <adi|home> give you a fish.. you eat for a night.. teach you to fish, you eat for a life time
20.07.01 #       <adi|home> what was this 'step 5' you go to...
20.07.01 #       <Neo> haha
20.07.05 #       <Neo> yeh
20.07.07 #       <Neo> ok
20.07.08 #       <adi|home> got to rather
20.07.21 #       <Neo> well, im no sure how becasue each patch is a differnt file 
20.07.33 #       <adi|home> have you read the patches doc?
20.07.37 #       <Neo> if you could teach me how to make th calender/memo
20.07.39 #       <Neo> yeh
20.07.51 #       <Neo> could u teach me now
20.07.56 #       <Quelsaruk> adi|home: i get *PANIC* ATA -1
20.08.21 #       <Quelsaruk> it's a strange problem, i just get it using RomBox
20.08.33 #       <adi|home> ahh.. that i cant help ya...
20.08.43 #       <adi|home> i have no experiance with the flash branch
20.08.46 #       <Quelsaruk> i've just mailed idc-dragon to tell him, but... i'd like to talk with zagor or linusn
20.08.55 #       <adi|home> neo.. you don't learn how to work a specific patch..
20.09.01 #       <Quelsaruk> it's ant ata error.. something with the drive
20.09.06 #       <adi|home> you have the source tree as a whole...
20.09.17 #       <adi|home> and the patches are chunks of code that ppl wnat to add...
20.09.36 #       <adi|home> you need to add that code using the 'patch' command as per the doc 
20.09.43 #       <Neo> patch command?
20.09.56 #       <adi|home> in other words you didn't read the doc neo ;)
20.10.08 #       <Neo> on the site?
20.10.16 #       <adi|home> nods
20.10.28 #       <Neo> i read that
20.10.28 #       <adi|home> neo... have you built rockbox w/o any patches yet?
20.10.46 #       <Neo> someone built one for me with the chip8 emulator
20.10.51 #       <Neo> but i dont know how to myself
20.10.57 #       <adi|home> well... 
20.11.01 #       <Neo> so i do have the chip 8 emulator
20.11.04 #       <adi|home> you have 3 choices..
20.11.22 #       <adi|home> 1. learn how to do this all on your own and add patches/test code whenever you want
20.11.34 #       <adi|home> 2. keep relying on the random acts of strangers
20.11.54 #       <adi|home> 3. wait for the patches to get integrated into the main tree (if/when) happens.
20.12.04 #       <Neo> yeh
20.12.06 #       <Neo> id like one
20.12.13 #       <adi|home> okay.. 
20.12.14 #       <Neo> can u briefly explain how to do this
20.12.19 #       <adi|home> so.. are you on linux or windows?
20.12.23 #       <Neo> because the other dox confused me
20.12.24 #       <Neo> mostly
20.12.30 #       <adi|home> no.. i can't.. but i can point youto the docs that will teach you
20.12.31 #       <Neo> windows
20.12.35 #       <Neo> ok
20.12.42 #       <Neo> email me the docs at rubberdukkie52@aol.com
20.12.43 #       <adi|home> http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/firsttime.html
20.12.43 #       <Neo> i gtg
20.12.50 #       <adi|home> no.. no emailing..
20.12.52 #       <Neo> why?
20.12.53 #       <adi|home> you read on your own
20.12.55 #       <Neo> no
20.12.57 #       <adi|home> you have to put the time 
20.12.58 #       <Neo> email me the links
20.13.00 #       <Neo> ok?
20.13.04 #       <adi|home> nope ;)
20.13.07 #       <adi|home> read the sites.. docs
20.13.13 #       <adi|home> first time rockbox stuff...
20.13.18 #       <Neo> ok
20.13.19 #       <Neo> well
20.13.20 #       <Neo> gtg
20.13.22 #       <Neo> byet
20.13.25 #       <Neo> thanks anyays
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20.13.29 #       <adi|home> np
20.13.33 #       <adi|home> grrrrr...
20.13.44 #       <adi|home> 'can you do this for me because i don't want to do the work'...
20.13.45 #       <adi|home> sight
20.13.49 #       <adi|home> sigh even
20.14.25 #       <MT> he is very tedious that neo fella
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20.15.20 #       <MT> but not nearly as tedious as trying to use sf pserver cvs :/
20.15.37 #       <MT> hmm
20.15.53 #       <MT> im not an official sourceforge rockbox developer
20.16.14 #       <MT> but i wonder if i can cvs co over my sf account
20.17.13 #       <Quelsaruk> hardeep: don't you think that we should create a .rockbox dir if it doesn't exist? to work with dinamic playlists and so on :)
20.17.41 #       <hardeep> MT: the daily source tarballs are a good way to get almost latest source without worrying about SF cvs
20.18.01 #       <MT> true
20.18.02 #       <hardeep> Quelsaruk: yes, we should.... unfortunately, mkdir() hasn't been implemented yet in the fat code
20.18.45 #       <hardeep> MT: you can also access latest CVS from rockbox site... e.g. rockbox.haxx.se/apps
20.18.59 #       <hardeep> MT: combine that with wget and you have another way of getting latest cvs
20.19.17 #       <MT> that i did not know *G*
20.21.40 #       <MT> hmm
20.21.48 #       <MT> line 1549 of english.lang
20.21.58 #       <MT> id: LANG_RECORD_TIMESPLIT_REC
20.22.00 #       <MT> decs: Display of record timer interval setting, on the record screen
20.22.12 #       <Quelsaruk> shit
20.22.12 #       <Quelsaruk> ok
20.22.16 #       <Quelsaruk> doesn't matter
20.22.29 #       <Quelsaruk> good work (even if i'm not able to use dinamic playlists)
20.22.45 #       <MT> no, its like bugfixing xfree ;)
20.22.46 #       <MT> find a typo here and there, and everyone loves you ;)
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20.37.46 #       <MT> aha
20.37.54 #       <MT> i thought i was 'speshal'
20.38.04 #       <MT> all simulator builds are dieing :)
20.38.17 #       <diddystar5> yep
20.38.25 #       <MT> oh hmm
20.38.31 #       <MT> theirs arent actually erroring
20.38.36 #       <MT> just warnings
20.39.00 #       <diddystar5> the plugins for the win32 sim cause a nasty error :)
20.39.19 #       <MT> RCS file: /cvsroot/rockbox/uisimulator/x11/file.h,v
20.39.19 #       <MT> retrieving revision 1.11
20.39.19 #       <MT> retrieving revision 1.13
20.39.19 DBUG    Enqueued KICK MT
20.39.19 #       <MT> Merging differences between 1.11 and 1.13 into file.h
20.39.22 #       <MT> its my bad :D
20.39.55 #       <hardeep> diddystar5: hmmmm, the win32 sim plugins were working fine for me last time i tried
20.40.37 #       <diddystar5> one sec let me find what the error says
20.43.23 #       <hardeep> diddystar5: i just tried with latest cvs and it's still fine
20.43.51 #       <ricII> d1stel+
20.45.38 #       <diddystar5> "The application or DLL C:/cygwin/home/rockbox/build/archos/bounce.rock is not a valid windows image" is the error i get when trying to play a plugin
20.46.50 #       <diddystar5> my source is almost new (1 and a half day old)
20.49.59 #       <diddystar5> i dunno if it helps  but im running winxp
20.50.20 #       <MT> im running XP too
20.50.38 #       <MT> but 7 ssh terms, and a nice xserver too :D
20.50.51 #       <diddystar5> cool MT
20.51.19 #       <MT> developing on windows is not fun
20.51.33 #       <MT> but linux has too sucky a windowing system
20.51.54 #       <MT> diddystar5: I'm actually working on the patch!
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20.53.53 #       <diddystar5> MT: could you send me your last source!
20.54.52 #       <diddystar5> i want send it to anyone
20.54.56 #       <MT> well i need to make it work with plugins see
20.55.13 #       <MT> nice
20.55.22 #       <diddystar5> oooh
20.55.25 #       <MT> only 1897 lines differ
20.55.30 #       <MT> :/
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20.56.09 #       <diddystar5> the build you sent me is cool!
20.58.04 #       <diddystar5> gotta go
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21.10.48 #       <MT> hmm
21.11.03 #       <MT> a lot of the stuff im doing here isnt in the rockbox api
21.11.40 #       <MT> is it better to extend the plugin api, or to just include the required stuff directly
21.15.16 #       <MT> this is crazy, even stuff like lcd_setmargins isnt in there
21.21.07 #       <MT> neither is lcd_clear_display
21.23.26 #       <MT> doh
21.23.30 #       <MT> my bad, that IS in there
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21.46.25 #       <MT> none of the lang stuff is in the plugin api?
21.46.27 #       <MT> i suppose that makes sense actually
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22.10.50 #       <midknight2k3> hello
22.11.16 #       <MT> wicked
22.11.20 #       <MT> segfaults agogo
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22.11.29 #       <midknight2k3> Dragon!
22.11.33 #       <midknight2k3> how is rombox?
22.11.38 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Yes!
22.11.42 #       <midknight2k3> :)
22.12.07 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I released it today to Jose Maria.
22.12.15 #       <midknight2k3> it is fully functional?
22.12.33 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I'd like to do one at a time currently, to avoid broken boxed piling up.
22.12.41 #       <midknight2k3> lol
22.12.55 #       <midknight2k3> so it'd done?
22.12.56 #       <[IDC]Dragon> It works for him, but the HD startup is unstable.
22.12.58 #       <midknight2k3> basically?
22.13.07 #       <midknight2k3> very cool
22.13.23 #       <midknight2k3> is there a way to replace archos rom?
22.13.32 #       <[IDC]Dragon> It gived ATA error -1, but gets out of it if USB is plugged and unplugged.
22.13.43 #       <midknight2k3> that's weird
22.13.51 #       <[IDC]Dragon> You have the wrong chip?
22.13.57 #       <midknight2k3> me?
22.14.02 #       <[IDC]Dragon> yes.
22.14.07 #       <midknight2k3> I meant is there a way to restore archos firmware to rom
22.14.16 #       <[IDC]Dragon> You mentioned replacing it.
22.14.23 #       <midknight2k3> oh lol
22.14.42 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Yes, certainly, you can burn the old stuff back in.
22.14.42 #       <midknight2k3> I meant replacing rockbox in rom with archos firmware
22.14.47 #       <midknight2k3> yeah
22.14.52 #       <midknight2k3> a good idea i just had!
22.15.01 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Which is?
22.15.05 #       <midknight2k3> make a program where you load any AJZ file and it will load it to rom
22.15.21 #       <midknight2k3> so you can have new dailybuilds and restore archos and stuff
22.15.37 #       <[IDC]Dragon> As I said in the group, that's not so easy because of memory restrictions.
22.15.45 #       <midknight2k3> oh
22.16.26 #       <[IDC]Dragon> descrambling and compressing works better when you have memory for the full thing.
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22.16.44 #       <midknight2k3> yeah and I know nothing about it :)
22.17.25 #       <Stevie[FP]> [IDC]Dragon: i saw a conversation earlier between you and Z, you had said you didn't need to sleep() because the ATA stuff started up fast enough?
22.18.12 #       <[IDC]Dragon> slow enough, you mean.
22.18.15 #       <Stevie[FP]> err
22.18.20 #       <Stevie[FP]> something like that
22.18.36 #       <Stevie[FP]> it would seem you know what I mean though
22.18.47 #       <Stevie[FP]> well wait
22.19.06 #       <Stevie[FP]> in order for it to be ready at a certain time
22.19.07 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I need to find out if USB is plugged, and for that some ADC measurements must have happened. They work from a different thread.
22.19.21 #       <Stevie[FP]> okay
22.19.34 #       * Stevie[FP] notes that he has a patch for the current ADC stuff, it could run faster
22.19.48 #       <midknight2k3> i gotta go
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22.19.56 #       <[IDC]Dragon> But while we wait for the disk, these measurements happen.
22.20.05 #       <Stevie[FP]> that adc stuff could happen faster tho
22.20.23 #       <[IDC]Dragon> what do you mena? Each tich samples one channel.
22.20.29 #       <[IDC]Dragon> mean
22.20.34 #       <Stevie[FP]> actually that's not quite accurate
22.20.35 #       <[IDC]Dragon> tick
22.20.43 #       <Stevie[FP]> if you read the spec sheet
22.20.54 #       <Stevie[FP]> when we set it to sample channel 3
22.20.59 #       <Stevie[FP]> the adc actually samples channels 0, 1, 2, and 3
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22.21.25 #       <Stevie[FP]> we could actually update those samples about four times as fast as we do now
22.21.26 #       <Guest> hi all
22.21.43 #       <[IDC]Dragon> No need to worry, I think.
22.21.47 #       <Guest> what's new about the flash rom??
22.21.48 #       <Stevie[FP]> but anyway
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22.21.56 #       <Wurst> hi all!
22.22.04 #       <Stevie[FP]> you said that the drive is ready by the time we check usb
22.22.05 #       <Stevie[FP]> right?
22.22.32 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I check USB after the ATA init (which waits for the drive).
22.22.39 #       <Stevie[FP]> okay
22.22.57 #       <[IDC]Dragon> If it's plugged, I don't auto-rolo
22.23.01 #       <Stevie[FP]> <[IDC]Dragon> It gived ATA error -1, but gets out of it if USB is plugged and unplugged.
22.23.05 #       <Stevie[FP]> what is 'ata error -1'?
22.23.36 #       <[IDC]Dragon> look into the code, I didn't yet.
22.23.43 #       <Stevie[FP]> ok how about this
22.23.51 #       <Stevie[FP]> how do you know you're getting 'ata error -1'?
22.24.09 #       <[IDC]Dragon> The box gives a panic srceen
22.24.36 #       <Stevie[FP]> if (master_slave_detect())
22.24.36 #       <Stevie[FP]> return -1;
22.24.58 #       <Stevie[FP]> the status bit is indicating busy
22.25.32 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Yea, I'm browsing through that now, too.
22.26.02 #       <Stevie[FP]> i don't see where
22.26.06 #       <Stevie[FP]> according to the code i have here
22.26.11 #       <[IDC]Dragon> my wait code is in check_registers(), which is the thirs step.
22.26.12 #       <Stevie[FP]> usb is checked before ata
22.26.17 #       <[IDC]Dragon> third step.
22.26.26 #       <Stevie[FP]> now, it may be a little old
22.26.31 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I should move that higher up.
22.26.48 #       <Stevie[FP]> the code i have right here says
22.26.49 #       <Stevie[FP]> adc_init
22.26.51 #       <Stevie[FP]> usb_init
22.26.55 #       <Stevie[FP]> ata_init
22.27.07 #       <Stevie[FP]> actually there's a backlight_init and button_init in there
22.27.09 #       <[IDC]Dragon> USB after ata in main::init
22.27.19 #       <Stevie[FP]> ok, they must have moved it
22.27.21 #       <[IDC]Dragon> not init, using values.
22.27.41 #       <Wurst> sorry, is there anybody who knows about a opensource-project for the ajb multimedia?
22.27.53 #       <Stevie[FP]> Wurst: not I
22.27.56 #       <[IDC]Dragon> The init is before, whis is what I want. So the thread is installed and collects measurements.
22.31.33 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Does anybody know the registry keys to disable autoplay per drive?
22.31.52 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I'ts just pissing me off.
22.36.33 #       <devZer0> IDC: i`m not sure - but perhaps this helps: http://www.jsiinc.com/subh/tip3700/rh3733.htm
22.38.19 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Hmm, I'm also not shure. The Powertoys can do it, but I was trying to avoid installing them just for this detail.
22.39.04 #       <devZer0> google:  disable autoplay xp gives lots of hits - but very different ones :)
22.39.34 #       <devZer0> for me, it is "off" - but i don`t remember anymore, how i did disable that :D
22.40.01 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I tried google, too, but no success at first glance.
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22.42.20 #       <devZer0> idc: don`t badly dissapoint us :) you are the god of rockbox-flashing - so you just should do a quick magic spell to your windoze box to disable autoplay ;)
22.42.52 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Thanks for the credits, I'm just too lazy to bother.
22.43.08 #       <devZer0> :)
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22.43.23 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I'm working on the plugin that flashes the second image. Almost there.
22.44.31 #       <devZer0> greatest new "feature" in rockbox for long :D
22.44.39 #       <devZer0> but also the most dangerous one :)
22.44.58 #       <devZer0> but nevertheless: COOOOOOL!
22.45.00 #       <adi|home> Dragon.. so whats the advantage of having Rockbox in the flash?
22.45.12 #       <adi|home> im very ignorant about that...
22.45.13 #       <devZer0> adi: didn`t you see the video?
22.45.30 #       <adi|home> nope...
22.45.44 #       <adi|home> give me a url agaikn.. and ill spend the next 6 hrs downloaidng it :)
22.45.45 #       <devZer0> 3 seconds too boot and resume playing music...
22.46.10 #       <adi|home> what is being overwritten in the flash?
22.46.30 #       <devZer0> http://joerg.hohensohn.bei.t-online.de/archos/rockbox_flash_boot.avi
22.46.39 #       <devZer0> divx , 1.5mb
22.46.54 #       <devZer0> the original firmware :)
22.47.21 #       <ironi> fast
22.47.36 #       <ironi> very nice
22.51.27 #       <[IDC]Dragon> adi: everything's overwritten in the flash ;-)
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22.55.47 #       <devZer0> idc: will you make a "dump" option for backup of the original firmware (and possible later restore)
22.56.14 #       <[IDC]Dragon> There is already, look at the first entry of the debug menu.
22.56.30 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Linus made that for me when I started.
22.57.05 #       <Stevie[FP]> yeah
22.57.29 #       <devZer0> is it in the latest build?
22.57.40 #       <[IDC]Dragon> That's how it all began, me disassembling the boot ROM.
22.58.28 #       <devZer0> ok -will take a look
23.02.20 #       <Stevie[FP]> I doubt having an emulator hurt much
23.02.21 #       <Stevie[FP]> ;)
23.03.02 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Yes, your LCD findings were also very helpful.
23.03.11 #       <Stevie[FP]> ty :D
23.03.11 #       <[IDC]Dragon> How is the project going?
23.03.14 #       <devZer0> whooha. coool. somebody interested in some other useful stuff? sorry to be "off topic" - but perhaps someone is interested in a cool way to tunnel a samba share via ssh and mount that on a windows box. i can mount my vserver on the internet now as a "network drive" :)
23.03.15 #       <Stevie[FP]> ehh
23.03.20 #       <Stevie[FP]> I'm in a fight with Windows
23.03.25 #       <Stevie[FP]> I'm trying to emulate a serial port
23.03.41 #       <Stevie[FP]> I *almost* have one there
23.04.07 #       <[IDC]Dragon> hoe is it emulated? what's on the other end?
23.04.22 #       <devZer0> thats what i asked myself , too :)
23.04.22 #       <[IDC]Dragon> how
23.04.41 #       <[IDC]Dragon> and what did you answer yourself?
23.05.09 #       <devZer0> it`s still a question :D
23.05.26 #       <devZer0> cut of the "ed" from the asked :D
23.05.34 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Do you want to connect it to the PC UART?
23.05.56 #       <[IDC]Dragon> then you can connect to yourself using the othe COM port ;-)
23.06.12 #       <[IDC]Dragon> (today is typo day)
23.06.53 #       <devZer0> there is already a usenet typo king on the list...
23.07.00 #       <devZer0> what about an irc typo king?
23.07.01 #       <devZer0> :D
23.07.30 #       <MT> dlopen(archos/.rockbox/rocks/wormlet.rock): archos/.rockbox/rocks/wormlet.rock: undefined symbol: global_settings
23.07.49 #       <MT> im not much on shared objects, laodable modules and such forth im afraid :/
23.07.58 #       <MT> s/ao/oa/;
23.08.29 #       <devZer0> ahhh - someone i can ask if i need a regex :D
23.08.41 #       <MT> regex i can do :)
23.09.27 #       <MT> is the loaded module unable to access 'stuff' in the main rockbox firmware?
23.09.48 #       <MT> can it _only_ do things prescribed in the plugin api?
23.11.05 #       <devZer0> mhh - don`t know for shure - but i think so
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23.26.32 #       <hardeep> MT: yes, only what's in the plugin api is available to plugins
23.27.53 #       <hardeep> MT: ie. you cannot access the global_settings structure
23.28.00 #       <hardeep> directly
23.28.19 #       <MT> well, how CAN i access it?
23.28.48 #       <MT> and the other stuff, like the menu functions?
23.29.05 #       <MT> the plugin idea is good, but it shouldnt restrict what we can already do
23.29.18 #       <Stevie[FP]> the problem is doing it right
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23.29.49 #       <Stevie[FP]> plugins should store their configurations in some sort of dotfile under /.rockbox
23.30.14 #       <MT> sure
23.30.17 #       <MT> mine already does
23.30.22 #       <MT> but it draws menus
23.30.34 #       <MT> and it draws them in a style that reflects the users preferences
23.33.15 #       <Stevie[FP]> okay
23.33.27 #       <Stevie[FP]> i can understand that
23.33.32 #       <Stevie[FP]> we need a more solid API
23.33.58 #       <MT> also, i found myself having to add really basic functions to the api
23.34.11 #       <Stevie[FP]> makes sense
23.34.23 #       <MT> like lcd_setmargins
23.34.31 #       <hardeep> MT: as Zagor mentioned in his e-mail, he only added functions that were being used by the current set of plugins
23.34.44 #       <hardeep> MT: the design is intended so that new apis can be added easily, if needed
23.34.55 #       <Stevie[FP]> Rockbox is great, but it suffers from the 'progressive development' syndrome
23.35.15 #       <Stevie[FP]> early on, a certain task had to be performed once
23.35.32 #       <Stevie[FP]> so the code was put wholesale into the function that needed to perform that task
23.35.51 #       <Stevie[FP]> then later on, some other function needed to do the same thing
23.35.57 #       <MT> hardeep: thats not_strictly_ true, wormlet did use lcd_setmargins, but in the new pluginform, it wasnt
23.36.14 #       <hardeep> MT: in that case, Zagor must have had a reason to remove it
23.36.32 #       <Stevie[FP]> rather than split out the task into a function that can be called from either, they just did a copy-and-paste
23.37.10 #       <MT> the reason is that the only time it is sensible to setmargins is when you have checked to see whether the user has requested a statusbar or not
23.37.21 #       <MT> the only way to see that is to examine global_settings
23.37.31 #       <MT> and the API doesnt (yet) provide that
23.39.07 #       <ironi> tracktheripper see,s to be interested in my palyer
23.39.10 #       <ironi> seems
23.39.17 #       <ironi> i missed him again
23.39.22 #       <ironi> maybe he wants to buy it
23.39.48 #       <ironi> =)
23.39.54 #       <MT> im just reading the man page for dlopen
23.40.23 #       <Stevie[FP]> MT: I would suggest tthis
23.40.24 #       <MT> im assuming there is some reason why we cannot link rockbox with -rdynamic ?
23.40.24 #       <Stevie[FP]> this
23.40.58 #       <Stevie[FP]> ... lots of technical reasons
23.41.07 #       <Stevie[FP]> i would suggest this
23.41.07 #       <MT> (im really quite out of my league with loadable modules and whatnot, sorry if im asking stupid questions)
23.41.31 #       <Stevie[FP]> lcd_setmargins() is used to account for status bar and cursor type, right?
23.41.53 #       <MT> yes
23.42.04 #       <Stevie[FP]> thus it would make more sense if instead we had some version of lcd_setmargins() that would automatically account for those settings
23.42.17 #       <Stevie[FP]> and then simply return the maximum width/height
23.42.35 #       <MT> that would make more sense
23.42.46 #       <Stevie[FP]> then you wouldn't need to worry about font height, or the global settings
23.42.53 #       <Stevie[FP]> other than maybe the cursor type
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