--- Log for 24.07.103 Server: calvino.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16p1 Started: 15 hours and 5 minutes ago 00.02.03 # well, I went away for a few weeks, and now we have plugins. I guess I can finally port Quake. 00.02.16 # go for it! 00.09.15 # well all I want is ID3 tag editing, better file management and timestretching 00.10.07 # Changing the playback speed of a file without changing pitch? 00.10.16 # ye 00.10.30 # There is 2 types of timestretching 00.10.42 # 1) Changing the playback speed without changing the pitch 00.10.51 # 2) Changing the pitch without changing the playback speed 00.10.58 # I don't think that's possible without detailed programming information for the MAS. 00.11.30 # its theoretically possible since you are simply keeping the pitch constant whilst changing playback speed 00.14.23 Quit _aLF ("bye") 00.14.50 # * Unseen2 is stupid - I just inserted the electronics of the JBR backwards into the outer shell. =( 00.15.18 # lol 00.15.45 # Well, at least I'm getting practiced at removing and reinserting those d**n bumpers. 00.16.18 # the bumpers aren't even a problem on the FMR :-) 00.17.23 # Maybe, but I wouldn't want one - I like the remote. 00.18.34 # :D 00.24.31 # Wow, it still works... Didn't expect that... 00.27.04 # i know the feeling 00.44.34 # hey, i have a question about setting up the windows sdk 00.45.33 # #9 on http://rockbox.my-vserver.de/win32-sdk.html doesnt seem to work...did i miss something? 00.53.11 Quit tracktheripper ("Leaving") 00.53.53 # scott666: what happens when you try it? 00.57.20 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.12.29 # 'no such file or directory' 01.13.00 # for the ../tools/configure part 01.31.45 # sounds like you're in the wrong dir then 01.32.01 Quit Unseen2 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.32.18 # im in ~/build-dir 01.32.31 # you should be in ~/rockbox/build-dir 01.32.47 # ahh 01.33.17 # it doesnt say that in #9, at least not clearly enough 01.34.06 # ok. tell roland, so he can fix it 01.34.06 # hardeep and ricII: excellent work on the dynamic playlist patch, I love it! 01.34.58 # elinenbe: heh, thanks 01.36.20 Quit mecraw ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)") 01.40.27 # zagor: i am in rockbox/build-dir 01.43.07 Join midknight2k3 [0] (LaLaLaLaLa@AC994DC0.ipt.aol.com) 01.43.22 # hello 01.43.28 # hey 01.43.55 # scott666: still doesn't work? 01.44.03 # hey Zagor 01.44.07 # hi 01.44.15 # yeah 01.44.42 # just to check, i should be in home\rockbox 01.44.56 # *home\rockbox\build-dir, right? 01.45.07 # yup 01.45.18 # scott is compiling! yay 01.45.19 # :) 01.45.28 # no scott isnt, and thats the problem 01.45.35 # lol\ 01.45.41 # scott is trying to learn to compile 01.45.44 # i dont see any 'configure' in rockbox 01.45.48 # damn \ 01.45.53 # *rockbox\tools 01.46.05 # you must unpack the tools then 01.46.08 # and put them in there 01.46.09 # i did 01.46.15 # hmm 01.46.19 # try again 01.46.21 # lol 01.46.27 # so what's in there? 01.46.47 # all 4 cept configure? 01.46.53 # that happened to me once 01.46.58 # i think lol 01.47.26 # Zagor: what are these write rights i hear about? 01.47.32 # ? 01.47.42 # bmp2rb.exe, convbdf.exe, descramble.exe, scramble.exe, and sh2d.exe 01.48.07 # someone said to me they hope i dont have write rights or something 01.48.14 # it was idc dragon i remember 01.48.23 # they probably meant cvs commit access 01.48.32 # meaning? 01.48.43 # you can add to the official rockbox code 01.48.43 # scott666: there should be more files. try unzipping the file again 01.49.07 # scott, was that directed at me? 01.49.12 # i don't understand 01.49.42 # yeah, it was 01.49.57 # i can add to official rockbox code? 01.50.18 # so what does that have to do anything? the way i see it, (no offense) "duh" 01.50.19 # if you have comit access 01.50.35 # and so i can't? 01.50.38 # no 01.51.10 # (correct me if im wrong) if you have comit access you can add code without it getting approved by anyone 01.51.30 # it just goes in 01.52.01 # so i have to (for example) ask zagor if i can modify something ot see if it works? 01.52.05 # ot=to 01.52.15 # no 01.52.25 # i can't submit a patch? 01.52.30 # no, you can 01.52.43 # so how does the commit access affect me? 01.52.43 # don't worry, you don't have commit access 01.52.50 # meaning? 01.52.51 # but if you need comit access to comit the patch to the cvs 01.53.00 # sigh lol 01.53.02 # err 01.53.08 # meaning you cannot submit changes to cvs 01.53.15 # *If you have 01.53.23 # no 01.53.26 # *but you need 01.53.35 # but that's no big deal? 01.53.42 # not really 01.53.44 # i can do what i want and just keep it to myself right? 01.53.50 # unless i want to let everyone use it 01.53.53 # and you can submit patches 01.53.56 # in which case i do a patch 01.53.59 # yes 01.54.07 # so im safe to modify a bit of rockbox code? 01.54.22 # yes 01.54.32 # thank god lol 01.56.05 # zagor: i redownloaded rockbox-tools.tar.bz2 and re-unzipped it. same files 01.56.23 # very very odd 01.57.15 # seems roland missed some files when he made that file. grab them from the official source file instead. 01.57.31 # and i do that...how? 01.57.42 # lol 01.57.48 # http://rockbox.haxx.se/daily/rockbox-daily-20030723.tar.gz 01.58.01 # oh 01.58.03 # lol 01.58.05 # i did that 01.58.50 # so i should copy the files with no extensions, yes? 01.59.03 # yes 02.00.25 # ok, now it works 02.03.31 # good 02.04.12 # should the source be in its own subdirectory in \rockbox, or should i just unzip it into \rockbox? 02.04.43 # it should be in rockobx 02.06.05 # ok 02.06.20 Join BoD[] [0] (~BoD@m33.net81-67-42.noos.fr) 02.06.32 # hello! 02.07.18 # hi 02.10.32 # should the configure file still ask if you want games and demos now that we have the plugin loader? 02.10.53 # no, but we haven't removed that yet. 02.11.13 # hey bod 02.11.23 # bod 02.11.27 # i mean scott 02.11.29 # does it matter what i answer? 02.11.36 # no never mind 02.11.42 Join earHurts [0] (~zic@pool-138-88-116-122.res.east.verizon.net) 02.12.10 # ?! 02.12.17 # earhurts 02.12.19 # how mice 02.12.23 # nothing bod 02.12.24 # mice? 02.12.28 # how nice 02.12.29 # lol 02.12.32 # three button 02.12.52 # i bet 02.12.56 # with a scroll wheel?? 02.13.00 # yup 02.13.11 # I likes my wheel 02.13.12 # woohoo 02.13.21 # i have a 4 button mouse 02.13.24 # with wheel 02.13.28 # aka intellimouse optical 02.13.38 # and a super keyboard, aka logitech elite 02.13.45 # that must suck, midk 02.14.11 # i bet it does 02.14.13 # having a mouse that's smarter than you 02.14.14 # but it doesn't 02.14.16 # hey 02.14.17 # * earHurts ducks 02.14.21 # it doesn't know C 02.14.22 # lol 02.14.22 # haha\ 02.14.42 # i have a *GREAT* IBM ps/2 keyboard 02.14.56 # it weights like 12k :) 02.15.05 # lol 02.15.06 # 12k? 02.15.12 # kilos 02.15.13 # um 02.15.13 # geek sizing 02.15.19 # right 02.15.23 # hm? 02.16.51 # is there any alignment restriction for char []? 02.16.52 # now i just have to remember C... 02.17.17 # lol scott 02.17.20 # do you know it? 02.17.29 # if not it's simple to get the basic idea 02.17.41 # i took a C++ class in school last year 02.18.18 # c++ allows you to do a lot 02.18.29 # and C? 02.19.00 # c also 02.19.09 # but c++ allows a bit more 02.19.37 # are there any differences in syntax? 02.19.47 # that in c you'd have to do manually and thus error prone 02.19.58 # somw minor differences 02.20.00 # i feel left out 02.20.06 # i know little C 02.20.40 # i know no C but got an A in C++...so learning C should be easy right? 02.20.54 # yeah 02.20.59 # look around C files 02.21.03 # pretty simple to learn 02.21.32 # god 'make' takes a long time 02.21.34 # midnight : did you manage to do the stuff you wanted to do ? 02.21.51 # yeah 02.21.51 # yes, scott 02.21.52 # so far 02.21.56 # i want though 02.22.00 # to make a new peak meter 02.22.03 # is my goal for later 02.22.11 # i want games 02.22.14 # lots of games 02.22.17 # there's 10 already! 02.22.17 # lol 02.22.20 # 7 02.22.26 # close enough ;) 02.22.29 # and thats not enough! 02.22.31 # 8 02.22.34 # i beat star 02.22.38 # there's snake which aint in the menu 02.22.40 # you did? 02.22.44 # snake is GOOD 02.22.45 # yeah 02.22.49 # it should be in the menu 02.22.49 # snake? 02.22.53 # i cant get past that one level where theres like 8 up and down in a row 02.22.57 # what about worm? 02.22.58 # its not bod 02.23.00 # it reminds me of Triton's FC Nibbles 02.23.05 # yeay! 02.23.06 # OH 02.23.11 # i mean FT nibbles ;) 02.23.12 # i know what youre talking about 02.23.21 # i cant do it 02.23.29 # best game ever 02.23.30 # it gets hard, that game 02.23.34 # star i mean 02.23.36 # when did that get into daily builds? 02.23.45 # a long time ago 02.23.51 # 4 days after plugin loader? 02.23.52 # perhaps 02.24.00 # not star 02.24.04 # snkae 02.24.07 # snake 02.24.07 # yes 02.24.10 # right away 02.24.13 # oh 02.24.17 # a few days after plugin loader came 02.24.19 # then why the hell isnt it in the menu? 02.24.30 # it's just not put there yet 02.24.37 # i dont know 02.24.58 # can you go through walls? 02.25.05 # no 02.25.06 # its snake 02.25.07 # like to the other side of the screen 02.25.08 # not snake 2 02.25.13 # :( 02.25.16 # lol ok 02.25.21 # but probably simple to code to go thru walls 02.25.47 # this is really slow 02.25.50 # i can type while playing 02.25.56 # lol 02.25.58 # change speed 02.26.08 # true snake should have a "wrap" option ;) 02.26.13 # to go thru walls 02.26.17 # don't boast of your ability to type with one hand 02.26.19 # does it get faster on its own? 02.26.20 # :) 02.26.24 # no 02.26.33 # change speed by restarting it then pressing UP till the number is 9 02.26.35 # bed time 02.26.36 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 02.26.38 # bye zagor 02.26.45 # not even time to say nite lol 02.27.01 # wish i could port alex4 to rockbox :D 02.27.22 # im thinking about making asteroids 02.27.29 # please do 02.27.32 # to test your skills 02.27.34 # or breakout 02.27.35 # and to let me have fun 02.27.36 # lol 02.27.40 # breakout yeah 02.27.44 # do that first :D 02.27.55 # gotta get all the games ipod has so i can piss off my friend 02.27.55 # lol 02.28.01 # loool 02.28.05 # probably possible 02.28.06 # lol 02.28.16 # but solitaire is grayscale so probably not possible 02.28.17 # yeah breakout would be easy 02.28.20 # yeah 02.28.22 # and fun 02.28.22 # no 02.28.23 # :D 02.28.26 # not solitare 02.28.30 # why not lol 02.28.33 # thatd be impossible 02.28.53 # tetris should could be improved a bit 02.28.58 # why 02.28.58 # yeah 02.28.59 # and how 02.29.13 # the pieces are too "dark" 02.29.20 # um 02.29.20 # and small :) 02.29.24 # it should have a replay option when it ends so you dont have to reload the plugin 02.29.26 # you can't control the shading 02.29.31 # it's black or white 02.29.34 # no grayscale 02.29.41 # you can put dots in the middle 02.29.46 # that's gay 02.29.52 # then it looks like you left a spot open 02.29.53 # youre gay 02.29.55 # lol 02.30.01 # you have a solid outline 02.30.04 # i guess i should go then 02.30.19 # the gameboy tetris had dots, fuck 02.30.29 # its also grayscale 02.30.31 # duh 02.30.34 # exactly 02.30.41 # acrhos is not 02.30.42 # duh 02.30.52 # and the gameboy tetris IS the best version ever 02.30.52 # shut up 02.30.52 # yeah 02.30.55 # you can make "outlines" 02.31.02 # ok 02.31.04 # i leave now 02.31.10 # like [ ][ ][ ][ ] 02.31.22 Quit midknight2k3 ("im gay and im stupid. what else? scott sucks.") 02.31.27 # bye 02.31.27 # lol 02.31.37 # lol 02.31.51 # tetris sucks. 02.32.00 # ! ! ! ! ! 02.32.09 # APOLOGIZE NOW 02.32.14 # no, it really sucks 02.32.20 # or be damned for ever 02.32.25 # i could never even stand to play it for more than a few minutes 02.32.38 # i love tetris 02.32.43 # tetris is fun 02.32.53 # it's my absolute favourite game 02.33.00 # i can play for hours 02.33.21 Join midknight2k3 [0] (LaLaLaLaLa@AC994DC0.ipt.aol.com) 02.33.26 # i win 02.33.31 # I never finished the game boy version .. that's the big regret of my life 02.33.42 # lol 02.33.46 # how do you finish the archos / rockbox version? 02.33.54 # you dont? 02.33.56 # i get to like level 1 lines 8 or something 02.34.07 # how far did you get? 02.34.23 # i got to 70 lines in the archos tetris 02.34.28 # no 02.34.29 # i dont play a lot with archos 02.34.32 # you did not 02.34.35 # yes 02.34.35 # really? 02.34.35 # i did 02.34.40 # i want to see picture 02.34.48 # and i will never be able to do it again 02.34.50 # but i did it 02.34.58 # i usually die 40ish 02.34.59 # now solitaire mahjong, what you call it tai pei? that's a good game :p 02.35.03 # but i just kicked ass one time 02.35.22 # 70 lines 02.35.34 # hey, make finished 02.35.37 # i don't like "solitaire" type games 02.35.58 # i don't think mahjong'd work to well on the archos though 02.35.58 # card games and such ... deminer ... never liked them 02.36.16 # BoD[]: well tetris is a "solitaire" game.. you play it by yourself 02.37.01 # and "solitaire" mahjong isn't like the card solitaire game(s) 02.37.18 # but you know what i mean right ? 02.37.20 # it's you know what most people incorrectly know of as mahjong 02.37.22 # we gotta look though atari games for ideas 02.37.34 # i don't like the type of game where you have to "think" :) 02.37.40 # like i said 02.37.42 # atari 02.37.43 # in tetris it's all about reflex, not thinking 02.37.49 # heh 02.37.52 # asteroid 02.37.54 # breakout 02.37.55 # thats probably why i don't like tetris 02.37.56 # i like to think :p 02.38.21 # but tai pei isn't much for thinking either 02.38.24 # just matching tiles 02.38.41 # that game would be hard to put on an archos 02.38.51 # it's strategy is more about putting yourself in the right frame of mind than any kindof active thinking 02.39.10 # scott666: indeed it would, i don't think it'd be too nice heh 02.39.27 Join BoD{{}} [0] (~BoD@m33.net81-67-42.noos.fr) 02.40.01 Quit BoD[] (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.40.50 # oooh!! how about centipede 02.40.59 # i like asteroid 02.41.03 # what was it again ? 02.41.10 # nethack 02.41.11 Nick BoD{{}} is now known as BoD[] (~BoD@m33.net81-67-42.noos.fr) 02.42.05 # yeah i wanted to have some sortof semi rogue-like game on my player 02.42.34 # i want a flight sim 02.42.35 # Quake 3 02.42.40 # thats actualy one of the few styles of game that'd be implimentable on a player 02.43.17 # i don't know nethack 02.43.21 # i still think doom is a good idea 02.43.37 # but impossible 02.43.43 # why?? 02.43.49 # not impossible 02.43.50 # the logo looked like crap so of course the game would be unusable 02.44.01 # it'd be crappy but possible 02.44.02 # heh 02.44.11 # who cares? its doom 02.44.11 # some of the demos good 3d 02.44.11 # lol 02.44.13 # the chip is what, 12MHz? 02.44.17 # lol 02.44.20 # so?? 02.44.23 # lol 02.44.31 # i used to play doom just great on a 20mhz 486 02.44.41 # i saw a doom-like on the hp 48 02.44.44 # there was a decent 2.5D dungeon for the palm 02.44.47 # it was good 02.44.56 # demo, anyway 02.45.02 # palm's got grayscale doesn't it? 02.45.08 # which was what, 33MHz 02.45.14 # uh, yeah 02.45.26 # good point Psy 02.45.40 # why can't we grayscale? 02.45.46 # it's not about grayscale in doom :) 02.45.46 # the LCD sucks 02.45.46 # heh 02.45.50 # LCD limitations 02.46.03 # could we replace it? 02.46.08 # though i've seen some demo's that sortof fake grayscale with fast flashing 02.46.09 # heh 02.46.23 # it's probably not a very practical effect though 02.46.26 # on the archos ?? 02.46.36 # replacing the LCD sounds like an easier mod than upgrading the ram 02.47.01 # well you'd have to replace both the LCD and it's controller i think 02.47.16 # yeah, youre probably right 02.47.22 # and then rockbox would have to support it 02.47.35 # yeah 02.47.43 # need a whole new lcd driver 02.47.48 # wait 02.47.53 # fuck greyscale 02.47.55 # heh 02.47.58 # SIGH 02.48.10 # if were replacing the LCD lets replace with a color one 02.48.15 # i'm not sure the "lcd blinking" trick to do gray scales coule be possible with the current lcd 02.48.34 # BoD[]: well it worked on my studio20 02.48.39 # it's an ugly hack anyway 02.48.43 # i dunno about recorders 02.48.47 # psycho : oh ok :) 02.48.58 # and either way like i said i don't think it's really practical to make good use of 02.48.58 # studio20? arent those players? 02.49.01 # i wasn't sure it was tested sometime 02.49.03 # scott666: yeah 02.49.34 # do they have the new lcd? 02.49.36 # somebody made some cool little demos for the players 02.49.41 # oh ok 02.49.43 # that use a block of custom chars for a bitmap display 02.50.15 # i will go now 02.50.28 # ok 02.50.53 # is he quoting yeats or wordsworth? 02.51.00 Quit midknight2k3 ("don't forget i am ugly and stupid and youre gay") 02.51.04 # ? 02.51.11 # bastard 02.51.12 # lol 02.51.18 # :)p 02.51.18 # i will arise and go now 02.51.26 # who the fuck called him ugly? 02.51.41 # i want a truecolor, resizable, 3D display with a sortof 3D touch-sensitive-ish kindof interactability 02.51.44 # dumb bastard... 02.51.57 # like in minority report? 02.52.00 # everyone is beautiful 02.52.01 # psyco : i want neuronal connectivity ;) 02.52.07 # ...one the web 02.52.09 # why don't one of you invent that and mod the archos for it 02.52.13 # lol 02.52.21 # ill put it on my to-do list 02.52.26 # scott666: i don't recall seeing anything quite like it anywhere 02.52.30 # right after porgramming the MAS chip 02.52.38 # what i picture is something you pull out of your pocket and you can stretch out to any size you like 02.52.41 # heh 02.52.48 # pervert 02.52.56 # :_) 02.52.58 # HAHAHAH 02.53.00 # heh 02.53.09 # thats great 02.53.47 # you would want something like that, wouldnt you psycho? 02.53.51 # :p 02.53.59 # yea scohtt 02.54.56 # as far as neuronal connectivity, well then i start to wonder why not just develop your mind to the point you don't need a computer :p 02.55.22 # and by computer i mean to say a 2nd, inferiour, man-made one 02.55.23 # heh 02.55.49 # or go the other direction 02.56.00 # and replace your brain with a portable Deep Blue 02.56.08 # that'd be a downgrade 02.56.32 # people don't seem to realize that the human mind is the most powerful, sophisticated thing in the known universe 02.56.36 # well pick a super computer 02.57.06 # sha1 is enough 02.57.18 # and part of the problem seems to be that people think their mind consists of the conscious part that they tend to think with 02.57.19 # but, like the MAS chip, we dont have the documentation to use it the way we want to 02.57.22 # when really that's more like the UI of it 02.57.24 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.57.58 # people are mistaking their monitor and keyboard for the whole computer :p 02.58.42 # but god, like micronas, doesnt want to release the docs because they dont want their intellectual property stolen 02.58.56 # you cant have just anyone building brains 02.59.02 # god believes in IP 02.59.08 # god uses LISP 02.59.11 # :_) 02.59.19 # heh 02.59.22 Join thu [0] (~thu@h24-87-64-169.vc.shawcable.net) 02.59.23 # why not lambda calculus ;) 02.59.35 # the design, or any openness of such isn't the problem 02.59.36 # wheres the fun in that? 02.59.44 # it's how much people are willing to study it 02.59.54 # and how they go about it... 02.59.56 # well its not easy to study a live brain 03.00.09 # like you can't really learn much about how to use your mind by studying anybody elses, or by studying it's mechanisms even 03.00.19 # what with it being it peoples heads and all 03.00.27 # it's quite easy 03.00.32 # just look within yourself 03.00.37 # OH 03.00.42 # pay attention to your own mental workings 03.00.44 # its THAT easy is it?? 03.00.50 # well ill just turn my eyes inside out hen 03.00.52 # you'd be suprised how much you learn 03.00.52 # *then 03.01.07 # your eyes cannot percieve it 03.01.10 # (sarcasm?? whats that?!) 03.01.25 # you are self-aware you know 03.01.31 # just use your minds eye to examine your mind 03.01.33 # it can do that :p 03.01.39 # but my dinner's ready 03.01.57 # so i'll leave with one piece of advice everybody on earth should follow: study yourself 03.02.13 # i'm not sure it's really possible 03.05.26 # 'study yourself' theres some simple, straight-forward advice 03.05.45 # know thyself 03.06.19 # brb 03.06.23 Quit elinenbe (" HydraIRC -> http://hydrairc.sf.net <- s0 d4Mn l33t |t'z 5c4rY!") 03.14.10 # anyone know what the version 2.2 GUI overhaul is supposed to be? 03.20.11 # ? 03.25.14 # it's not that hard... just be more self-aware, and do it consistently... eventualy you'll notice all kinds of things you never realized your mind does and can do 03.26.13 # moi j'ai example 03.26.16 # hum 03.26.23 # copypaste error 03.40.37 # french! 03.40.42 # right;) 03.40.47 # lol 03.41.02 # ive had about 3 years of french 03.41.23 # donc tu parles français 03.41.34 # donc? 03.41.58 # == so 03.42.05 # je parle un peu de français, oui 03.42.20 # was that right? 03.42.27 # its summer, i usually forget everything 03.42.29 # lol 03.43.08 # remove the "de" 03.43.35 # ok 03.43.59 # heh 03.51.03 Quit edx () 04.08.12 Quit fraggle ("My damn controlling terminal disappeared!") 04.47.50 # i have to go to bed! 04.47.52 # a++++++++ + + 04.47.56 Quit BoD[] ("bebebeb") 04.48.48 Join elinenbe [0] (elinenbe_@user-0cev103.cable.mindspring.com) 04.57.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.59.07 # .3 05.13.07 Quit hardeep ("[BX] Back wit anutha one of doz BitchX-rockin' beats!") 05.24.38 Quit Galik (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 05.24.38 NSplit calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 05.24.38 Quit ricII (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 05.25.24 NHeal calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 05.25.24 NJoin Galik [0] (~galik@195.137.124.20) 05.25.24 NJoin ricII [0] (~ricv@debianalpha.xs4all.nl) 05.35.51 Join hardeep [0] (1098@208.247.65.237) 05.38.37 # anyone know what the version 2.2 'gui overhaul' is supposed to be about? 05.39.03 # scott666: clean up the menus etc., make it more user friendly 05.39.14 # ok 05.52.25 Quit Galik ("Client exiting") 06.08.51 # what is there to clean? 06.08.58 # plenty 06.09.04 # * thu wonders how you can make a line of text more user friendly 06.09.15 # you can organize it better 06.09.33 # maybe 06.09.40 # as long as it doesn't get over-organized and slower to navigate 06.10.16 # its just as easy to go left and right as it is to go up and down 06.10.55 # it's harder to keep track where you are though 06.11.16 # I'm happy enough with the current menus 06.11.20 # not if its categorized right 06.11.23 # I'd like to be convinced otherwise 06.11.42 # scott666: I don't disagree that there's always room for improvement 06.11.55 # if youre in an options menu and all the options deal with the same type of thing its easy enough to tell where you are 06.12.01 # im working on it now 06.12.10 # cause im bored and i saw it on the main page 06.12.11 # lol 06.12.13 # :) 06.12.19 # I should get into rockbox too 06.12.25 # I didn't code anything fun in ages 06.12.30 # yeah 06.12.31 # me too 06.12.45 # but its hard to just jump into a big project like this 06.12.52 # I was actually thinking of nokia-style menus 06.12.57 # with pictures for categories 06.13.00 # or for all items 06.13.13 # but I brought it up and I get it that it would eat up memory 06.13.21 # yeah 06.13.21 # and cause more disk spinning => less battery life 06.13.29 # and itd be a lot more confusing that text 06.13.36 # maybe maybe not 06.13.43 # again.. it could be ok if done right 06.13.45 # you could make it a plugin 06.13.57 # then no spin-ups as long as its <30k 06.14.19 # 2M is not enough for anything fun 06.14.27 # I had in mind a sort of audio-based nethack game 06.14.36 # but that would take some work and kill the battery in no time 06.14.50 # everything comes down to spin-ups and batt life 06.15.00 # not to mention youd have to reprogram the MAS 06.15.21 # mas? 06.15.29 # the mp3 decoding chip 06.15.42 # which is programmable, but we have no documentation 06.15.51 # look at the nodo.txt file in the docs 06.16.06 # I think I remember reading something like that 06.16.21 # * thu wonders why archos wouldn't give out all their docs to the rockbox devs 06.16.34 # its not archos, its micronas 06.16.43 # cause archos didnt make the MAS 06.16.49 # well doesn't archos have the MAS docs? 06.16.59 # or did they devel a device with parts they know nothing about 06.17.15 # they do but probably cant release it 06.17.29 # because its micronas' intellectual proterty 06.17.30 # or something 06.17.39 # besides, archos are bastards 06.17.51 # then make the rockbox people do "contract work" for archos or something 06.17.59 # rockbox is in their direct best interest 06.18.07 # better firmware => more buyers 06.18.42 # especially with all their new models coming out 06.18.52 # they basically have people writing code for them for free 06.19.08 # but then theyd have to pay us 06.19.10 # if I were an archos rep I'd start shipping new units to the rockbox people 06.19.40 # and rockbox doesnt work with anything newer than FM 06.19.49 # exactly my point 06.19.57 # and they dont plan to 06.20.07 # what if all notable rockbox devels got a shiny new multimedia thingy to their door 06.20.11 # with a big box of docs 06.20.15 # figuratelly speaking 06.20.25 # one wonders 06.20.46 # yeah but i dont HAVE a multi media, so i dont really care 06.21.03 # guess they didn't discover good business sense in france 06.21.06 # $300 was enough to pay for me 06.21.19 # yeah I was close to that too with my FM 06.21.35 # but in a year from now the multimedias will be under $300 06.21.38 # yeah, i think i came in at about $270 06.22.49 # the rockbox project is great but doesn't seem to have any future 06.23.01 # plugins 06.23.12 # it's strictly linked to the player/recorder/fm series 06.23.15 # 30k apps to do whatever you want 06.23.19 # they are already getting old 06.23.32 # my point is that the user base isn't all that big 06.23.41 # what more do you need though? 06.23.44 # and the devices will become obsolete soon 06.24.00 # well some view of the future 06.24.00 # how? 06.24.13 # like extending to the new multimedia thingies 06.24.15 # mp3 is too big to be obsolete any time soon 06.24.25 # not mp3 but the actual archoses 06.24.29 # players are already gone 06.24.52 # no 06.24.59 # you can still buy the studios 06.25.10 # www.archos.com 06.25.37 # archos isn't developing anything similar to the recorders afaik 06.25.46 # and rockbox has no plans to expand do the multimedia devices 06.26.05 # so probably rockbox will slowly die on its own 06.26.36 # as long as people have their archos, rockbox wont die 06.26.56 # i invest $300, im expecting a few years use out of it 06.27.10 # there's only so many things you can do within the hardware limitations 06.27.20 # heh I don't expect mine to last that long 06.27.23 # but you never know :) 06.27.25 # it plays mp3s 06.27.31 # it records mp3s 06.27.35 # it has a radio 06.27.38 # what more do you want? 06.27.54 # all id want is upgrade 06.27.55 # s 06.28.11 # how much devel time is a project worth when you can't add any major features? 06.28.18 # 60gb hd, 8mb (or more) ram, better processor 06.28.34 # hmm it would be fun to upgrade the processor 06.28.38 # id say games were a major feature 06.28.38 # wonder if it's even possible 06.28.57 # not for me.. don't know about most people 06.29.32 # obviously this project is worth something, as its been going for multiple years 06.30.13 # the mailing list archive goes back to 12/01 06.30.20 # it's not really worth all the effort imho but I guess people had fun working on it 06.30.29 # and the end product is a few steps better 06.30.44 # yeah 06.30.50 # the archos firmware is terrible 06.30.55 # that's not true 06.30.58 # it does the job 06.31.06 # it doesnt do it well though 06.31.08 # I used it for a few months before I switched to rockbox 06.31.13 # you hit play, you hear the song 06.31.34 # any firmware is good as long as you never think about it 06.31.39 # i expect this project was well worth the money they spent on getting your archos to work well 06.31.53 # that didnt come out right 06.32.00 # what's so bad about the original firmware? 06.32.08 # I'm not talking about features but bugs 06.32.14 # it works 06.32.17 # but it doesnt work well 06.32.26 # no resume 06.32.33 # thats a big one 06.32.36 # is it? 06.32.37 # yeah 06.32.47 # I said I'm not talking about features 06.32.53 # i am 06.32.54 # you say it doesn't work _well_ 06.33.04 # in what way doesn't it do the implemented features? 06.33.14 # it doesnt have enough features to defint a _good_ product 06.33.21 # *define 06.33.31 # its acceptable 06.33.32 # it works 06.33.39 # but it isnt good 06.33.45 # rockbox is 06.33.56 # not good usually means buggy 06.34.09 # well it doesnt in this case 06.34.09 # in this case you use it for "lacking some secondary features" 06.34.14 # just feature lacking 06.34.21 # yeah I agree with that 06.34.43 # it doesnt take full advantadge of the hardware 06.35.31 # I bet that will be even more the case for the new models 06.35.40 # they seem to be getting some better hw inside 06.35.45 # bigger screens too 06.35.50 # and color 06.35.56 # => more things one could do with an alternate firmware 06.35.59 # yeah 06.36.09 # just think of the games on the new one 06.36.26 # but thats probably powerful enough to just run a PDA OS 06.36.38 # the input is still limited 06.36.47 # input? 06.36.53 # no touch screen, no keyboard 06.37.00 # ahh 06.37.00 # right 06.37.13 # have you seen the new models? 06.37.23 # a really nice thing would be a slick PDA with a hard drive attached 06.37.26 # nah just pics 06.37.27 # that are the size of hte archos but like all of its screen? 06.37.33 # something like that 06.38.08 # add a 20G drive to something like a sharp zaurus or hp jornada / ex-compaq ipaq and you got one cool device 06.38.11 # its capable of being a pda with a mic, camera, and 60gb HD 06.38.20 # exactly 06.38.34 # well basically you can have a whole pc 06.38.35 # all it needs is wifi 06.38.43 # the new pdas run at ~233MHz and above 06.38.45 # or something similar 06.38.55 # there are wifi modules for pdas 06.39.00 # yeah 06.39.21 # and 802.11b, but i cant recall what exactly that is atm 06.39.29 # actually what is actually possible to do is get a pda with an usb host expansion card 06.39.32 # 802.11b is wifi 06.39.35 # ok 06.39.35 # lol 06.39.56 # I think someone was saying here that one of the toshibas has an usb host option 06.40.08 # they you can have a cable going into your pocket to a simple usb2 drive 06.40.12 # or an archos for that matter 06.40.15 # s/they/thn 06.40.17 # then 06.40.18 # bleh 06.40.32 # => wearable computer 06.40.45 # heh 06.41.01 # like the glasses that have a screen in them? 06.41.16 # but you can still see through it 06.41.31 # heh maybe.. that's not ready for the end user yet 06.41.34 # unfortunatelly 06.41.37 # :-( 06.41.39 # lol 06.42.09 # but you can get a pda with wifi/bluetooth/60G drive 06.42.37 # nice thing about the archos multimedia versions is that you can plug them into yer tv 06.42.44 # and record / playback divx 06.42.48 # have you noticed that cell phones, PDAs, and mp3 players are all going in the same dirrection? 06.43.10 # well there's only so many things a device can do 06.43.27 # in the idea of a wearable computer I like modularity 06.43.29 # phones are becoming camera and internet 06.43.37 # heeh 06.43.45 # * thu drools at sony-ericsson p800 06.43.56 # pdas have internet and can be used as phones and mp3 players 06.44.08 # it would be fun if you could have different modules interact through wifi 06.44.17 # or even cable in the beginning 06.44.17 # yeah 06.44.28 # have your archos call your pda 06.44.37 # so you can have a hdd in your pocket that you can share with your pda/phone and with the guy sitting next to you 06.44.44 # yeah 06.45.05 # as long as it's short-range it shouldn't be a problem 06.45.10 # but that calls for one more thing 06.45.12 # integration 06.45.23 # thats the problem 06.45.23 # be it wifi, bluetooth or something else 06.45.44 # http://www.semsons.com/usbhoscabfor.html 06.45.46 # different brands of cell phones arent even compatible for text messaging 06.45.53 # hmm toshibas do have usb hosts 06.45.58 # I know 06.46.14 # thats the good thing about monopolies 06.46.16 # and unfortunatelly they're converging towards the old web standars 06.46.19 # standards 06.46.20 # everyting is compatable 06.46.29 # that weren't designed for mobile devices 06.46.47 # I don't think I'd appreciate a cell phone manufacturer monopoly 06.46.56 # standards do better 06.46.59 # yeah 06.47.01 # but we dont have any 06.47.11 # bluetooth 06.47.13 # wifi 06.47.24 # we dont have A standard 06.47.33 # as in one 06.47.39 # that everyone uses 06.48.08 # and the problem with stanards is new technology 06.48.31 # I guess nobody has a clear vision for the future 06.48.33 # cause if a newer, faster, better, incompatable technology comes out, all old devices are ovsolete 06.48.36 # they keep putting out weird devices 06.48.42 # that do things poorly 06.48.47 # yeah 06.48.52 # just look at all the weird cellphones 06.48.58 # camera phones take TERRIBLE pictures 06.49.03 # well duh 06.49.11 # that nokia n-gauge is gonna fail miserably 06.49.12 # nobody seems to care 06.49.29 # heh I used my pda with a cellphone module for about a year 06.49.32 # a visor phone 06.49.40 # then switched back to a huge old motorola 06.49.42 # felt sooo good 06.49.46 # heh 06.49.53 # (I broke the visor phone's antenna and they wouldn't replace it) 06.50.03 # I dropped the old phone in some awful ways 06.50.06 # it still works 06.50.16 # try doing that with a new cell phone 06.50.26 # it'll break into pieces 06.50.51 # hehe I actually threw my motorola at someone and missed 06.51.04 # it slammed against the wall and broke in two pieces 06.51.10 # battery and phone 06.51.17 # I just picked them up and put them back together 06.51.20 # lol 06.51.20 # no problem :) 06.51.39 # ive seen some cheap phones that flip open 06.51.45 # ...and then the top breaks off 06.51.52 # for me that's more of a feature than whistles and bells 06.52.05 # yeah I remember people talking about the new motorola flip phones 06.52.08 # they had some really small ones 06.52.19 # *snap* 06.52.24 # they said they break realllllly easy 06.52.59 # a friend of a friend got one 06.53.10 # i saw it happen 06.53.16 # hehe nice 06.53.25 # was that covered by warranty? 06.53.36 # he flipped it open and the top just kept going into the table 06.53.40 # lol 06.53.42 # i think 06.53.44 # oh and audio quality is dropping too 06.53.53 # because nobody wants ugly antennas anymore 06.53.59 # i havnt bought a cell phone yet 06.54.08 # I lost one 06.54.10 # too expensive 06.54.11 # had one stolen 06.54.13 # broke one 06.54.17 # at fisrt and per month 06.54.23 # and I ended up with this old motorola 06.54.28 # oh funny story 06.54.37 # I used to keep this big phone in my backpack 06.54.44 # same reason i didnt buy SW galaxies... 06.54.56 # some guys crowded me, opened my backpack and stole the phone 06.55.07 # then they ran after me and asked for some money to give it back :) 06.55.14 # they didn't even wanna keep it when they saw it 06.55.14 # lol 06.55.25 # I payed them less that it would have cost me to replace the SIM card 06.55.31 # heh 06.55.41 # that's like the perfect phone 06.55.56 # if you can get a good battery.. that's the only thing going bad with time 06.56.09 # it did only one thing 06.56.13 # but it did it well 06.56.15 # call people? 06.56.17 # lol 06.56.28 # yeah.. no problems with range and call quality 06.56.32 # but what if you NEED a phone that makes pasta? 06.56.34 # lol 06.56.42 # I'd have 1-2 bars of signal when people with fancy phones didn't have any signal 06.57.10 # hehe I didn't see one of those yet 06.57.26 # yet 06.57.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.57.29 # lol 06.57.57 # I'm looking at the specs for toshiba e350 now 06.58.02 # 300MHz CPU 06.58.06 # 64M RAM 06.58.18 # better than this old comp next to me 06.58.22 # you can expand it with an usb host and connect to an external drive 06.58.24 # from 96 06.58.28 # yeah same here 06.58.34 # I have a p166/32 ram under the table 06.58.36 # its a p2 166 with 48MB ram 06.58.42 # p1 166 06.58.46 # really? 06.58.46 # there's no p2 166 :) 06.58.49 # yah 06.58.53 # youre right 06.59.03 # p2s were in the 400s right? 06.59.18 # 3-400 06.59.22 # they went as high as 450MHz iirc 06.59.31 # infrared port 06.59.34 # usb client and usb host 06.59.35 # the computer im using is a p3 600 06.59.38 # lol 06.59.41 # stereo headphone jack 06.59.48 # heh what more can you want 06.59.53 # ik 06.59.59 # brand new in 1999 07.00.04 # it's about $300 too 07.00.06 # geforce2 32mb 07.00.13 # heh 07.00.22 # soundblaster live 07.00.32 # 640mb ram 07.00.39 # sound: ac-97 codec chip 07.00.41 # ...ok that was an upgrade 07.00.50 # yeah same here 07.00.54 # stated with 128 07.00.58 # 640M I mean 07.01.04 # I went as high as 890M 07.01.15 # but downgraded since 07.01.23 # or 894? 07.01.29 # 128+256+512 07.01.31 # you do the math :) 07.01.43 # 1024 - 128 07.02.12 # 896 07.02.24 # here :) 07.02.25 # ok 07.02.41 # i love Calculator 07.03.14 # 'IRC is just multiplayer notepad 07.03.16 # ' 07.03.56 # hehe sorta 07.04.09 # I'm too lazy to fire up a terminal 07.05.13 # I wonder if this toshiba can play divx-es 07.05.19 # heh 07.05.21 # and whether I could run linux on it 07.05.27 # windows ce is evil 07.05.45 # that the PDA OS? 07.05.58 # yeah 07.06.08 # Additional software: Pocket Word, Pocket Excel, Pocket Outlook®, Pocket Internet Explorer, Microsoft® Windows® Mediaâ„¢ Player 9 for Pocket PC, File Explorer, MSN® Messenger, Microsoft® Active Sync® 3.7, Microsoft® Outlook® and ArcSoft PhotoBaseâ„¢. 07.06.11 # what kinda toshiba 07.06.18 # ick 07.06.28 # PsycoXul: e350 07.06.38 # my parents have e740-NW's 07.06.49 # PsycoXul: it's cool that it has an usb host.. you can link it with an archos 07.07.14 # they've got 400mhz x-scale's but oddly my 300mhz MIPS be-300 that was several hundred $ cheaper actualy plays video better 07.07.17 # heh 07.07.27 # PsycoXul: toshiba? 07.07.30 # thu: yeah thats cool 07.07.36 # PsycoXul: can you run anything else than windoze on it? 07.07.42 # as in linux 07.07.45 # their e740's are toshiba my be-300 is casio 07.07.47 # thu: i think so 07.08.14 # sweet 07.08.15 # i haven't checked into it so much since they won't let me put it on there, but i think there's a version that'll run on 'em 07.08.35 # does the xaurus use linux by default? 07.08.42 # yeah.. with qtopia 07.08.47 # and it's zaurus 07.08.50 # heh 07.08.55 # close enough 07.08.56 # lol 07.09.09 # i wish i could put linux on mine... 07.09.19 # me too 07.09.26 # there's a project for it, but it's reaaaallly slow going and barely getting anywhere 07.09.28 # rockbox PDA edition... 07.09.33 # I have a 16MHz hanspring visor :) 07.09.42 # heh 07.10.42 # well actualy it's gotten to be able to run on it, have a commandline with a text input thing via the direction pad and buttons, and apparently there's some very basic support for the touchscreen, but that minimal touchscreen support's all that's happened since i got this thing in january 07.12.37 # is no one trying anything or is there just no documentation on how to do any of this? 07.13.32 # many pda's inner workings are dark and esoteric 07.14.33 # wince, like all versions of windows, is terrible to deal with 07.14.44 # and all the main developers are busy with other things most of the time 07.14.58 # it's not exactly a widesrpead pda either 07.15.03 # so it all adds up to extremely slow development 07.15.26 # thats funny 07.15.33 # windows ce = wince 07.15.35 # yeah 07.15.35 # heh 07.15.45 # it's the most appropriately named microsoft product ever 07.16.00 # im trying decide if thats ironic or just apt 07.17.16 # casio even put their own semi-crippled version of wince on this thing 07.17.27 # instead of the standard interface, it's got a really crappy menu thing 07.17.45 # and it's missing a bunch of standard stuff so that most regular MIPS pocketpc apps won't even run on it 07.18.17 # fortunately one project that's had considerably more progress is expod that gives it a standard windows-like shell and puts back most of the missing stuff so it'll run many of pocketpc apps 07.19.07 # *is completely ignorany about PDAs* 07.19.55 # heh i don't have much experience with them, but like 07.19.58 # *ignorant 07.20.14 # my parents' e740's run pocketpc2002 or such OS which is just a newer version of wince i guess 07.21.00 # steal it and install linux 07.21.04 # put it back and wait for reaction 07.21.06 # and it's interface is just like a screen with some info on it and a menu that lets you start some software, including something that's sorta like win3.1's program manager 07.21.42 # *shudder* bad memories 07.22.12 # wince sucks though, they try to make it as un-computer-like as they can it seems 07.23.12 # just because most people don't usualy want to resize their windows and run a bunch of stuff that can be displayed at once on a 240x320 screen, doesn't mean it should simply not have that functionality :p 07.23.45 # that's probably a feature 07.23.53 # my mother usually loses windows on the screen 07.23.57 # heh 07.23.58 # or drags them to some shady corner 07.24.03 # see, now thats just your problem for expecting M$ to make a decent product 07.24.07 # and she ends up with literally tens of windows 07.24.11 # mostly popups and crap 07.24.26 # well actualy thats still a problem but it's worse cause with this thing you've got no way at all to see what windows are behind the top one 07.24.41 # theres no alt-tab?? 07.24.44 # sounds just like my openbox workstation :) 07.25.08 # scott666: i think i even tried that hehe 07.25.33 # heh 07.26.14 # i think i got everything 07.26.37 # im redesigning the menu 07.26.38 # lol 07.26.51 # my cheap pda suits my needs though... can't beat 300mhz MIPS with 15bit color screen for ~$125 07.26.52 # I'd rather get a sony u1 or the like than a pda 07.27.00 # theres a lot of options in those sub dirs 07.27.09 # PsycoXul: can I connect to an usb hdd 07.27.10 # ? 07.27.17 # all i need is a more efficient way to input to it 07.27.27 # thu: i can't, but if yours has USB host support than i'd say so :p 07.27.41 # PsycoXul: heh the $300 toshibas do 07.27.46 # just tape the archos to the PDA 07.27.49 # my parents' do but it needs an expasion thing or an adapter plug 07.27.57 # PsycoXul: not much sense in having a 300MHz cpu if you can't play movies 07.28.08 # PsycoXul: yeah it needs a special chord 07.28.15 # thu: hehe well i got a network card for it 07.28.35 # let me guess.. 10-T coax :) 07.28.50 # 10mbit ethernet 07.29.03 # it's ne2k compatible 07.29.03 # heh 07.29.04 # if it's not wifi it's no good 07.29.12 # yeah but it was cheap 07.29.26 # i don't have anything wireless, so if i got a wifi card it'd have cost me 07.29.33 # more than the pda itself heh 07.29.58 # http://www.dynamism.com/u1/main.shtml 07.30.00 # I like this baby 07.30.30 # sweet 07.30.36 # 6.4" LCD :) 07.30.56 # I'm not sure if it also comes with a cute japanese chick like in the ad 07.31.03 # lol 07.31.22 # mail order bride/PDA combo pack 07.31.37 # dump the bride.. send me 2 pdas :) 07.31.39 # hehe 07.31.44 # :p 07.31.55 # oooh! or the 'buy the 12yo who made it' package 07.32.01 # it's still not up to what i'm waiting for 07.32.22 # i still want that resizable screen :p 07.32.31 # heh 07.32.50 # http://www.dynamism.com/mapp/masamune-bk.jpg 07.32.55 # japanese designers are weird 07.32.55 # 'something you can pull out of your pocket and make it any size you want' 07.32.56 # i want something that's smaller than that thing in my pocket or in-hand, but bigger on a table :p 07.33.34 # smaller than that thing in your pocket? 07.33.41 # smaller than that thing 07.33.45 # while in my pocket or hand 07.33.46 # heh 07.33.46 # :p 07.33.56 # set yourself up for that one 07.34.13 # i didnt even get to 'or in-hand' 07.34.18 # it doesn't have to be 3D, but it should be high quality, high res, and stretchable 07.34.21 # heh 07.34.23 # 36-inch monitor in which Sony uses thermal transfer films that were printed by laminating the color filter and phosphorus to allow the monitor to thermally transfer pictures directly to the glass of the CRT 07.34.32 # hmm sony rulz 07.34.36 # yup 07.34.43 # i want a PSP!! 07.34.58 # PSP? 07.35.07 # playstaion portable 07.35.12 # heh 07.35.21 # mp3/video/game player than runs on UMBs 07.35.25 # &UMDs 07.35.28 # ** 07.35.36 # http://www.dynamism.com/u101/intro_couch2.jpg 07.35.37 # hmm heh 07.35.50 # 1.7gb on a minidisc 07.35.54 # thu: looks awkward 07.36.02 # like a book 07.36.04 # PsycoXul: "subnotebook" 07.36.13 # http://www.dynamism.com/u101/index.shtml 07.36.19 # this site has some nice toys 07.36.25 # your thumbs would smudge the screen 07.37.01 # my image of technology is set too far into the future to be impressed by much that's even nearing a consumer market 07.38.03 # * thu is laptopless and looking 07.38.09 # the stretchable screen thing is one of my more realistic for the near future ideas 07.38.24 # can you guys help me think of a category name for these fatures?: 07.38.34 # Misc 07.38.38 # heh 07.38.48 # yeah "heh" is pretty good too 07.39.28 # scroll bar, status bar, invert LCD, line selector, volume display, battery display, show icons 07.39.43 # scott666: Display 07.39.45 # yeah 07.39.55 # sub dir of display 07.40.10 # bleh 07.40.13 # theyre all gui-type changes 07.40.20 # GUI 07.40.25 # Interface 07.40.27 # Feedback 07.40.40 # Force Feedback 07.40.42 # heh 07.40.58 # the archos shocks you when the song changes? 07.41.07 # though i dunno if scroll bar really fits with those 07.41.07 # 'ultimate tetris' 07.41.25 # why not? 07.41.32 # User Interface 07.41.33 # well ok it could 07.41.42 # it fits just as well as status bar 07.42.06 # actualy you're right, nm 07.42.26 # ui might work 07.42.29 # they all are feedback options, uh info toggles, ... 07.42.44 # *shrug* 07.43.03 # oh invert LCD isn't feedback/info so i guess not 07.43.10 # :p 07.43.20 # any of those are better than the current name. [a good name for all these visual changes] 07.43.26 # User Interface 07.43.27 # i'm gonna watch the last episode of taken now heh 07.43.35 # yeah 07.43.37 # thats good 07.43.48 # thanks 07.45.24 # i think im done 08.05.12 # theres about 5 feature suggestions imbedded in it 08.05.13 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.05.14 # heh 08.06.04 # the .rockbox browsing patch, new FM radio stuff, lots of new dirs in the .rockbox directory... 08.07.43 Quit earHurts (Remote closed the connection) 08.12.52 Nick dw|gone is now known as dwihno (dwihno@h193180246067.kommunicera.umea.se) 08.29.10 # ok, its posted to the list 08.29.26 # if anyones still awake who cares 08.57.29 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.03.26 Quit hardeep ("BitchX: the un-Cola") 09.18.50 Nick scott666 is now known as scott666|asleep (scott666@c-24-245-71-45.mn.client2.attbi.com) 09.26.51 Join Schnueff [0] (mah@d096.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de) 09.27.50 Quit thu ("Client exiting") 10.05.47 Join TotMacher [0] (tot@ip117.rsidus.riege.de) 10.07.29 Quit TotMacher (Client Quit) 10.10.52 Join TotMacher [0] (tot@ip117.rsidus.riege.de) 10.18.21 Join Nibbler [0] (~Nibbler@port-212-202-78-19.reverse.qsc.de) 10.57.30 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.23.47 Join Wolfe [0] (~jirc@ip68-6-104-43.sb.sd.cox.net) 11.23.47 Quit Wolfe (Remote closed the connection) 11.25.09 Join Wolfe [0] (~jirc@ip68-6-104-43.sb.sd.cox.net) 11.27.39 # hello? 11.28.04 Quit Wolfe (Client Quit) 11.28.31 Join Bagder [241] (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) 11.36.38 Quit TotMacher (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.36.38 NSplit calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 11.40.15 Quit PsycoXul (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.47.08 NHeal calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 11.47.08 NJoin TotMacher [0] (tot@ip117.rsidus.riege.de) 11.59.56 Nick dwihno is now known as dw|gone (dwihno@h193180246067.kommunicera.umea.se) 12.15.54 Join tracktheripper [0] (jirc@ACBE6846.ipt.aol.com) 12.16.04 # Mornings 12.16.18 # howdy 12.16.27 # hi badger 12.16.59 # ive ran out of ideas for requests :-( 12.17.44 # bet you are well pleased :-) 12.18.05 # I think we have requests to fill up a few years ahead ;-) 12.19.16 # cool :-) 12.19.23 # ive a good one :-) 12.19.53 # "Turn off 'Rejected', 'Invalid' and 'Works For Me' in Sourceforge :-) 12.28.32 Quit leni_ (Remote closed the connection) 12.29.20 Quit tracktheripper ("Leaving") 12.32.56 Join PsycoXul [0] (psyco@63.205.41.140) 12.39.45 Join leni_ [0] (~lenny@ua40d99.elisa.omakaista.fi) 12.42.37 Join Zagor [242] (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 12.44.51 Quit leni_ (Remote closed the connection) 12.48.31 Nick Zagor is now known as Zagor|away (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 12.49.00 Join earHurts [0] (~zic@pool-138-88-116-122.res.east.verizon.net) 12.49.42 # in rb, pointers are 4 byte aligned? 12.50.11 # yes 12.50.43 # time for some ugly code then 12.52.15 # when shuffle is on, can I determine what the next song would be in NON shuffled mode? 12.53.10 # no 12.54.08 # you sure? I mean, if I turn shuffle off while song x is playing, don't I get song x+1 next? 12.55.29 # yes, but the list must be resorted to get it 12.55.42 # so, unless you actuall unshuffle it you can't find out 12.56.09 # ah 12.57.04 # well.. you wouldn't have to unsuffle.. 12.57.16 # you could just open the playlist, read to the offset you do know 12.57.21 # so the songs in the playlist have orinal numbers 12.57.26 # and parse to the next cr... 12.57.32 # ordinal, even 12.57.33 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.57.35 # but it doesn't really help you all that much 12.57.59 # the 'playlist' for rockbox is a list of the offsets into a file for a particular song 12.58.12 # then we shuffle that list off offsets 12.58.21 # (i'm really away now... :) 12.58.21 # into a file! 12.58.28 # so if you want to call that ordinal, then yup. 12.58.37 # earHurts: yup.. into your playlist file 12.58.42 # so I could just read line x + 1 of the original file 12.58.48 # yup 12.58.59 # but it wont' help you for file x+y 12.59.04 # song rather 12.59.27 # because the playlist (to be efficient) will still hve to be "unshuffled" which means just reading in the file and parsing it again. 12.59.41 # make sense? 12.59.50 # yeah 13.00.34 # maybe I'll keep two copies of the lists of pointers 13.00.45 # waste of space.. 13.00.48 # what are you trying to do? 13.01.04 # maybe i can offer advice since im not up close on the code 13.01.19 # I have classical music. usually, each movement of a work is a seperate track 13.01.34 # but I want all movements to play in order 13.01.48 # while shuffling the works 13.02.05 # okay... i think i understand... 13.02.14 # nestable playlists! 13.02.19 # nods 13.02.25 # basically thats what he wants yup. 13.02.26 # with shuffle toggles for each layer? 13.02.28 # Psy yes, that would work 13.02.42 # and indeed, it has occurred to me 13.02.58 # but I'm thinking of generated playlists 13.02.59 # but we can't make our playlists include codes to make them recursive 13.03.05 # that would make them not standard 13.03.24 # hmm 13.03.25 # the #EXTINFO|line is standard and extensible 13.03.39 # bah.. humbug 13.03.59 # in any case 13.04.07 # yeah but anything that doesn't know the thing telling it what playlist to recurse to will miss whatever's in that 2nd playlist 13.04.14 # which makes that playlist incomplete 13.04.29 # an auto playlist won't be nested 13.04.59 # so I thought of a kludge 13.05.04 # an ugly kludge 13.05.12 # heh 13.05.34 # We suffle as usual. 13.05.58 # when we load an mpeg, we check the TPOS tag 13.06.30 # are we sure to have a TPOS tag on every file? 13.06.36 # if it's not blank and doesn't start with [0]*1 13.07.13 # we skip the song. if it is [0]*1 13.07.38 # we play it and the subseqent tracks 13.07.55 # but how do you know what those 'subseqent' tracks are? 13.08.16 # I'm assuming the tpos is of the form 1/4 13.08.29 # current/total 13.08.48 # rigth.. but if the playlist is shuffled.. there is no way to assure that the next file on the playlist is 2/4 13.09.31 # thus the need to find the next unshuffled track 13.10.00 # still won't solve your problem 13.10.11 # oh? 13.10.19 # what if the first (very first) file i hit on the shuffled playlist is 3/4? 13.10.28 # do we 'search back' till be find 1/4? 13.10.31 # you skip it 13.10.55 # optionally, you also remove it from the playlist pointer list 13.11.07 # might i offer an easier solution? 13.11.18 # please 13.11.26 # okay.. let me see if this helps you.. 13.11.35 # take the sorted list (normal playlist) 13.12.06 # jump to a random point (its a playlist, you know how big it is, so take a random # from 1 - sizeof(list)) 13.12.16 # now.. see if that is your 1/4 13.12.34 # if not... skip till you find it (you are in a sorted list so you know how far to jump ahead) 13.13.02 # now.. play until you finish songs listed in that directory (you can compare path's minus the filename itself) 13.13.12 Join leni_ [0] (~lenny@ua40d99.elisa.omakaista.fi) 13.13.18 # when you finish that directory.. choose a new random # 13.13.32 # two probs 13.13.58 # one, to find the tpos we have to read the mpeg (at least the id3 part) 13.14.17 # that's expensive 13.14.40 # two, we can have >1 works per directory 13.15.20 # if you have >1 works per direcoty you have no choice but to read the id3 tags.. so you are screwed no matter what. 13.15.50 # now.. lets say we have 3 works in a single direcoty 13.15.53 # works a, b, c 13.15.56 # in dir bach concerti: work 1 track 1 tpos 1/4... w1 t4 tpos 4/4... w2 t1 tpos 1/3.... 13.16.04 # would you want them played in sorted order... or 13.16.23 # a, , b, etc... 13.16.26 # or just a, b, c 13.16.29 # i'd shuffle the works but not the movements in each work 13.16.47 # okay... 13.16.50 # now... 13.16.59 # would you shuffle works across compossers? 13.17.06 # sure 13.17.27 # okay... then you have to break out the works into subdirs 13.17.43 # if you don't you don't know at what point you are dealing with a diff composer or a diff work 13.17.56 # unless you read the id3 tags as i said 13.18.12 # yeah, you need to read the tags 13.18.19 # tpos, at least 13.18.34 # now.. let me just see if i get this 13.18.44 # you would present the user with 3 options now. 13.18.51 # 1. play the playlist straight 13.18.57 # 2. play the random shuffled playlist 13.19.16 # 3. play the playlist by artist/composer and album/work? 13.19.23 # nope 13.19.27 # namely.. all of bach, then all of leintz 13.19.51 # 3. play shuffled except for movements in a larger work 13.20.03 # _and_ 4 13.20.18 # play shuffled works within the artist 13.20.28 # namely.. all of bach's works randomly 13.20.40 # or all of bachs and brahms work's randomly mixed 13.20.50 # we don't need your three, because we can dynamically create a playlist at whatever level in the dir hierarchy 13.21.06 # my hierarchy anyway 13.21.20 # genre/subgenre/composer/album 13.22.07 # classical/baroque/bach/goldberg variations 13.22.40 # right.. but you can't just dynamically create a playlist at any level.. 13.22.51 # sure I can 13.22.57 # because if you do it at bach/ you get his movements randomly.. fine 13.23.03 # dynamic playlist, recurse subdirs 13.23.09 # if you do it at baroque you get all the barogue 13.23.32 # but how do you differentiate between random composer and random composer AND album 13.24.37 # I don't understand 13.25.07 # trying to find a better way to state it.. just a moment 13.25.41 # okay... 13.25.53 # lets say we have classical/baroque 13.26.03 # i don't know classicall.. so im inventing here :) 13.26.14 # and in that we have bach, mozart, and harry 13.26.20 # ok 13.26.37 # now.. i want to listen to all of bach's works in random order 13.26.43 # yah 13.26.54 # so i hear all the goldberg variations 13.27.02 # you start your playlist in the bach dir 13.27.07 # nods 13.27.15 # but _now_ i want to hear harry's works 13.27.18 # no prob.. same thing 13.27.48 # finally.. i want to hear a work of harry's then a work of bach's then a work of harry's again (lets assume that that is random) 13.27.55 # how do i do that? 13.28.10 # you are only allowing me to randomly play the order of my composers with your recursion 13.28.21 # you start the plsylist in the lowest common parent dir 13.28.40 # so you get mozart as well, too bad 13.28.45 # ie: baroque? 13.28.50 # in this case 13.28.51 # yeah 13.29.09 # (mozarts's more classical, but... :) 13.29.15 # okay.. then how do i do all of harry, all of bach and all off mozart.. 13.29.28 # you see what im getting at? 13.29.32 # the lowest common parent 13.29.41 # which is baroque ;) 13.29.49 # yeah 13.29.55 # but you already said that plays random works of those composers, which isn't what i want :) 13.30.06 # okay.. lets think outline.. cause names are confusin.. 13.30.07 # I'm ok with random 13.30.17 # lets say we have A, B, C 13.30.22 # as long as eaxh work isn't shuffled 13.30.35 # right.. but your going to confuse ppl.. 13.30.46 # yeah 13.31.30 Quit leni_ (Remote closed the connection) 13.31.38 # because it doens't make sense why they randomness occurs at the last parent node in the tree no matter where you choose to go random 13.32.01 # becuase only ordered movements matter to me 13.32.10 # right :) to you 13.32.22 # what do you tell someone who tries to use this.. 13.32.25 # think of a work of n movements as a song 13.32.28 # i mean what are the rules to it? 13.32.32 # nods 13.33.00 # imagine a regular song was split into 4 tracks, one for eaxh verse of the song 13.33.05 # nods 13.33.15 # basically "this is my work of diff movements".mp3 13.33.25 # uh, yeah 13.33.40 # so I want to shuffle rock 13.34.16 # but I don't want each verse of stairway to heaven split and played at different times and out of order 13.34.35 # nods 13.35.02 # i understand what you mean.. im just saying you have to be careful because if you aren't you are going to confuse the heck outta ppl :) 13.35.15 # but i'm ok with a song by the beatles, then a floyd, then a beatles, then a skynyrd 13.35.21 # nods 13.35.23 # right 13.36.00 # the problem is eaxh verse has a seperate "name" 13.36.06 # nods 13.36.24 # no matter what you do (back to 100 lines ago :) ) you have to read the mp3 to get the tag no matter what... 13.36.35 # (really a direction how it should played: "fast", "slow", etc.) 13.36.36 # unless you break stuff into subdir's.. as you said you didn't want to 13.36.45 # yeah 13.37.02 # actually, for mozart each work is in a subdir 13.37.11 # but that's a pain 13.38.03 # I just had a dunbass idea 13.38.10 # i still say keeping an ordered list is best 13.38.12 # k.. shoot 13.38.37 # btw.. not trying to be a pain on all this.. just trying to be a sounding board for ya :) 13.38.38 # fake mpgs 13.38.46 # i tend to think better in discussion so :) 13.39.02 # no, what you're doing is exactly why I broached the idea here 13.39.03 # fake mp3s? doing what? 13.39.10 # k ;) 13.39.17 # being a continer for real ones 13.39.21 # container 13.39.36 # we call those directories ;) 13.39.55 # yeah, I said a dumbass idea, right? 13.40.01 # :) 13.40.24 # well.. keep explaining it.. it might give you/us other ideas 13.41.10 Nick adi|home is now known as adi|MurderingChi (~adi|home@as5300-10.216-194-24-105.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) 13.41.14 # damn 13.41.18 Nick adi|MurderingChi is now known as adi|home (~adi|home@as5300-10.216-194-24-105.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) 13.41.26 # who's chi? 13.41.37 # nah.. was seeing how long the name tag was :) 13.41.45 # adi|MurderingChickensWhileTheSleepInPeacefulPiggyDreams 13.42.17 # hmm 13.42.40 Join leni_ [0] (~lenny@ua40d99.elisa.omakaista.fi) 13.52.12 # xxx 13.59.03 Quit Bagder ("http://daniel.haxx.se") 13.59.03 Quit leni_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.03.51 Join leni_ [0] (~lenny@ua40d99.elisa.omakaista.fi) 14.14.38 Quit leni_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.27.06 Join leni_ [0] (~lenny@ua40d99.elisa.omakaista.fi) 14.27.11 # off to nap 14.37.14 Quit leni_ (Remote closed the connection) 14.48.12 Join leni_ [0] (~lenny@ua40d99.elisa.omakaista.fi) 14.54.04 Join Lynx0 [0] (Lynx@134.95.189.59) 14.56.46 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 14.57.35 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.11.19 Quit leni_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.13.55 Quit earHurts (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.19.05 Join leni_ [0] (~lenny@ua40d99.elisa.omakaista.fi) 15.19.20 Quit TotMacher (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 15.19.20 NSplit calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 15.40.45 NHeal calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 15.40.45 NJoin TotMacher [0] (tot@ip117.rsidus.riege.de) 15.48.32 Quit leni_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.52.47 Join leni_ [0] (~lenny@ua40d99.elisa.omakaista.fi) 16.01.14 Quit Lynx0 ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 16.09.34 Quit leni_ (Remote closed the connection) 16.15.48 Join leni_ [0] (~lenny@ua40d99.elisa.omakaista.fi) 16.22.54 Quit leni_ (Remote closed the connection) 16.25.41 Join leni_ [0] (~lenny@ua40d99.elisa.omakaista.fi) 16.32.29 Join hardeep [0] (1098@208.247.65.237) 16.46.59 Join tracktheripper [0] (jirc@ACB95DA5.ipt.aol.com) 16.57.38 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.09.52 Join blastman007 [0] (blastman00@p50840D77.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 17.10.10 Part blastman007 17.19.07 Quit tracktheripper ("Leaving") 17.23.28 Nick scott666|asleep is now known as scott666 (scott666@c-24-245-71-45.mn.client2.attbi.com) 17.23.39 Join mecraw [0] (~mecraw@69.2.235.2) 17.33.15 Join Galik [0] (~galik@195.137.124.20) 17.38.13 Join tracktheripper [0] (jirc@ACB95DA5.ipt.aol.com) 17.40.39 # hi 17.51.25 Quit tracktheripper ("Leaving") 18.23.01 # anybody here? 18.28.09 Nick Zagor|away is now known as Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 18.28.13 # i'm here 18.28.51 # hey 18.30.07 # see my menu thing on the list? 18.30.24 # yeah 18.30.31 # comments? 18.30.41 # i havnt gotten any feeback yet 18.30.43 # but a menu reorganisaton is not the difficult thing 18.30.55 # what is then? 18.31.03 # what we need is a whole new "think" about how we use buttons in the wps and overall 18.31.36 # but it would have to be easy enough for users of older versions to pick up 18.31.39 Join Lynx0 [0] (Lynx@134.95.189.59) 18.32.04 # yes. it must be a noticable improvement, just not "a little better" 18.33.05 # i defeintly think programmable f2 and f3 should be added 18.33.23 # yeah, but a bit more details than a vague "programmable" concept is required 18.34.00 # i mentioned it in my menu thing 18.34.03 # there are a few well-written proposals alredy. unfortunately i don't have the links right now. 18.34.39 # well, i supposed mine wasnt that well written 18.34.39 # heh 18.35.17 # well, it was a good suggestion for an updated menu layout. but we need to take a bigger look at it. 18.35.38 # Bagder's proposal here: http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2003-04/0946.shtml 18.36.12 # Zagor: what was the problem you saw in the plugin_get_buffer() call in my patch? 18.36.43 # hardeep: i was wrong. it looked like you gave a bad address to the memory. 18.37.06 # ah 18.37.51 # you have my blessing to commit it 18.37.52 # Zagor: would you prefer a playlist viewer to be added as a plugin or a build-in module? 18.38.22 # a plugin, i think 18.38.33 # unless there are strong reasons against 18.38.49 # Zagor: not really, just need to export all the playlist functions 18.39.28 # do we, really? 18.39.50 # Zagor: oh, i was referring to a dynamic playlist viewer, not for viewing m3u files 18.40.06 # ah, ok. yeah, that's a different story. 18.41.18 # is there a way to look at m3u files with the text viewer plugin? 18.41.22 # i'd say we add it as an internal module to start with 18.41.34 # Lynx0: rename to .txt and view 18.41.36 # Lynx0: not currently. but that will be added soonish. 18.42.00 # Zagor: either way is okay 18.42.02 # hardeep: I could have thought of that one :) 18.42.41 # hardeep: yeah, i just prefer to not export all those playlist functions in the plugin api until i'm sure we really want that 18.43.01 # ah, okay 18.45.48 # hmmmm....thats odd. i seem to have magically lost 30% of my battery 18.46.59 # scott666: is it smaller now ? ;-) 18.47.13 # *30% of my charge 18.47.18 # :-þ 18.48.49 # it was at 95% and a i turned it off. turned it back on and its at 63% 18.49.39 Quit TotMacher (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 18.53.32 Join _aLF [0] (~Alexandre@AGrenoble-203-1-11-53.w81-51.abo.wanadoo.fr) 18.56.20 # now its back up to 75% 18.56.40 # odd.. 18.57.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.07.20 Join edx [0] (edx@pD9EAAA11.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.10.31 Quit leni_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.15.28 # cu 19.15.29 Quit Lynx0 ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 19.17.49 Join diddystar5 [0] (Lee@ACC4C248.ipt.aol.com) 19.18.02 # welcome back Zagor! 19.18.07 # thanks 19.18.20 # i'll be away for next week too, though :) 19.21.39 # there are a few // comments in calendar.c! 19.22.41 # yeah, some non-policed code has crept in during my absence. i will assimilate it later. 19.33.32 # Ahh, just upgraded to a brand new daily build. Plugins rocks. 19.34.21 # Hes: do you own a player or recorder? 19.34.32 # anyone tried the new player game? 19.34.40 # Recorder 20 (with a 40G disk) 19.35.48 # i tried it on the simulator 19.37.06 # Zagor: i remember a LONG time ago someone wrote a maze game for the player do you still have it? 19.37.33 # I have an idea for plugins... once a plugin is running, could a special keyboard combination (and an API call from the plugin) 'suspend' the plugin and give the control back to the normal UI thread? 19.37.36 # no. was it ever published? 19.38.00 # And then, it could be resumed later. 19.38.08 # Hes: tricky. that would require a lot of logic in the plugin 19.38.22 # humm i don't remember... 19.38.43 # Zagor: hm, why? Dang, I though it would have been trivial. 8-) 19.40.30 # Hes: well the only way to suspend the thread is to save all variables and return, and then resume when called the next time. a callback won't work. 19.41.43 # yay, the jackpot game is pretty cool 19.43.03 # very boring, but cool :) 19.43.13 # hm, would an alternative be saving the stack of the plugin, or having a separate stack space? 19.44.02 # well the plugins run in the gui thread and so use the gui thread stack. we'd have to run them in a new thread or make nasty stack tricks. 19.44.21 # (which remainds me of something - I wonder how long it takes before someone makes a stack-smashing exploit that runs SH-1 code from say, id3 tags 8-] ) 19.44.42 # I guess I was thinking of nasty stack tricks. 8-) 19.45.03 # should be too easy outside of plugins, actually 19.45.18 # zagor: i found that old game in the mail archive http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2002-08/1039.shtml 19.45.24 # i think you should start with describing what you want to achieve :) 19.45.38 # diddystar5: ok, nice 19.47.59 # It could be cool to be able to switch songs or tune volume while a plugin is running (for example in a middle of a good, long game 8-) 19.48.19 Quit scott666 () 19.52.31 # Hes: agreed. 19.52.37 # gotta go 19.52.38 Quit diddystar5 ("Gotta Go!") 19.55.41 # I've been wondering if the current charging algorithm still sucks badly on some hardware/batteries, or is the init code still bust... 19.56.02 Join scott666 [0] (scott666@c-24-245-71-45.mn.client2.attbi.com) 19.56.17 # and if people have really been using the rockbox charger or not so far. 19.56.35 # Once they flash they're almost forced to do so. 19.59.49 # yes. i guess there is an unsolved issue with the flash. 19.59.58 # however charging seems to work fine for me 20.15.14 Join alexandre [0] (Alexandre@AGrenoble-203-1-11-53.w81-51.abo.wanadoo.fr) 20.16.08 Quit hardeep ("Read error: 69 (Excessive sex)") 20.17.29 Quit _aLF (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.18.23 Quit ricII (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 20.18.23 NSplit calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 20.18.56 NHeal calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 20.18.56 NJoin ricII [0] (~ricv@debianalpha.xs4all.nl) 20.24.24 Quit Galik (Remote closed the connection) 20.42.44 Join hardeep [0] (1098@208.247.65.237) 20.50.56 # Zagor you around? 20.51.47 # yup 20.51.51 # k... 20.51.59 # im trying to fix the build warnins on the simulator... 20.52.22 # i can fix it for linux.. but it just causes more on Windows because of diff types. 20.52.24 # ah, that's a bit messy. i don't want #ifdefs around each function 20.52.31 # nods 20.52.57 # other problem is that if we don't have 2 diff #defins for win/lin then we don't build proper anyways 20.53.08 # i think the proper fix is to change rockbox read() etc to use the ssize_t etc types 20.53.30 # that makes it more POSIX compliant too 20.53.31 # well.. that will still cause build errors on windows 20.53.45 # i think anywyas 20.53.47 # really? 20.54.01 # i think.. not sure.. ill have to play with it later.. 20.54.27 # either way.. we would need ssize_t, size_t, off_t 20.55.15 # are those just defined as types somewhere? 20.57.32 # yes 20.57.42 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.58.43 # so basically we would just do #define ssize_t int 20.58.44 # ? 20.59.29 # no, we should use typedefs 20.59.42 # k 20.59.52 # but I'm not sure exactly how I want this. it's a little complicated. 21.01.54 # well... would it be along the way that time_t is defined in firmware/include/sys/timeb.h 21.22.01 # either that or a special types.h 21.23.30 Quit alexandre (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.27.08 # woo 21.27.16 # anyone up for testing a new feature? 21.28.08 # maybe 21.28.23 # what/where is it? 21.29.12 # Dynamic playlist viewer. Binaries/patch can be found at: http://hardeeps.freeshell.org/viewer/ 21.29.32 # Accessible from Menu->Playlist Options->View Dynamic Playlist 21.29.35 Join _aLF [0] (~Alexandre@AGrenoble-203-1-15-222.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr) 21.30.05 # You can "PLAY" a new track, and ON+PLAY gives you Delete and Move 21.30.36 # viewer fm seems to think its an mp3 21.31.33 # scott666: it's a firmware binary, just rename to ajbrec.ajz and copy to your root folder... or ROLO into it if you prefer 21.32.11 # yeah but on the site its viewer-fm.mp3 21.32.15 # shouldnt it be ajz? 21.32.56 # scott666: bizarre, IE is renaming it to .mp3, it's saved as .ajz 21.33.10 # scott666: just manually rename 21.33.10 # yeah 21.33.13 # i did 21.35.14 # roloing... 21.38.54 # can it say 'playlist empty' instead of 'error'? 21.44.42 Join [IDC]Dragon [0] (~idc-drago@pD9512D7C.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.45.19 # move is a little confusing 21.46.39 # it seems logical to move it one down to me for some reason 21.47.26 # maybe add options 'move up one' and 'move down one' 21.50.07 # other than that its great! i wish there was something similar for .m3u files 22.14.59 # <[IDC]Dragon> Zagor, do you read? 22.18.58 # <[IDC]Dragon> OK, different subject: is anybody using mIRC? 22.20.28 # <[IDC]Dragon> How do I quote people's nick when addressing them? So far I type it in. 22.20.41 # im using mIRC 22.21.12 # <[IDC]Dragon> tell me some tricks 22.21.16 # dont konw any 22.21.17 # lol 22.22.00 # if you click on someones name it highlights it in the user list 22.22.19 # if you double click it you get a new private window 22.22.25 # if you right click it you get options 22.23.06 # <[IDC]Dragon> But I havent't fount how to use that name 22.23.14 # <[IDC]Dragon> found 22.23.15 # use it? 22.23.30 # <[IDC]Dragon> scot666: I mean you. 22.23.34 # <[IDC]Dragon> like that. 22.23.45 # ahh 22.24.01 # try typing "z" then hit tab, "Zagor" shows up on my client 22.24.07 # i dont know what slap is but it interests me 22.24.12 # yeah 22.24.23 # or [+tab = [IDC]Dragon 22.24.25 # * [IDC]Dragon slaps scott666 around a bit with a large trout 22.24.32 # * scott666 slaps [IDC]Dragon around a bit with a large trout 22.24.34 # <[IDC]Dragon> that's slap 22.24.38 # yes it is 22.24.39 # lol 22.24.57 # * scott666 wonders how you do those 22.25.09 # * scott666 says, "oh." 22.25.14 # * [IDC]Dragon test 22.25.31 # * [IDC]Dragon astonished 22.25.53 # <[IDC]Dragon> fff 22.26.13 # if you type /emote it eats what you write 22.26.34 # <[IDC]Dragon> dfff 22.26.35 # ahh, anything with a / in front, i see 22.26.39 # fff? 22.26.50 # <[IDC]Dragon> wasn't eaten 22.27.23 # well mine is 22.27.53 # <[IDC]Dragon> is is possible to watch for the own name to appear, then make a sound or so? 22.28.11 # <[IDC]Dragon> (if you're not focused on the chat) 22.32.16 # go to options>sounds 22.33.12 Join tracktheripper [0] (jirc@ACBF6E6D.ipt.aol.com) 22.33.25 # hey! 22.33.31 # hey 22.33.37 # hi scotty 22.33.37 # :) 22.34.11 # hey! i had an idea 22.34.28 # yea? 22.34.39 # does someone want to make a plugin with me so i can learn what the hell im doing while still trying to be useful? 22.35.02 # well i cant' help u there since i cannot program :( 22.35.25 # so learn 22.35.26 # lol 22.35.36 # all i know is a bit of BASIC 22.35.47 # i can program, i just dont understand the rockbox specific stuff 22.35.49 # ...yet 22.36.08 # scott i was browsing some old requests. the "Make the LCD like a PDA touchscreen" made me laugh :)) 22.36.16 # lol 22.36.49 # wish there was a 'rejected: youre an idiot' option 22.36.56 # heh 22.36.59 # lol 22.37.23 # what about "Make the normal Recorder pick up FM like the FM recorder" 22.37.44 # <[IDC]Dragon> scott666: how about starting from the hello world example, then work it upwards? 22.38.01 # i looked at hello world 22.38.18 # <[IDC]Dragon> don't say it's too tough 22.38.25 # but theres just a _tiny_ gap between hello world and tetris 22.38.47 # <[IDC]Dragon> well, pich something intermediate first. 22.38.51 # <[IDC]Dragon> pick 22.39.03 # like? 22.39.09 # <[IDC]Dragon> hangman? 22.39.22 # i did that in python 22.39.23 # lol 22.39.32 # that was a fun language... 22.40.02 # oh! i did that in C++ too 22.40.06 # I have a good idea for a game!! 22.40.11 # what?? 22.40.16 # <[IDC]Dragon> actually, rockboy and plugins ar no good starter, since it's hard to debug. 22.40.17 # How about a basic "Fruit Machine" game for the Recorder? 22.40.33 # wtf is fruit machine? 22.40.49 # you have to make fruit? 22.40.55 # no! 22.41.08 # 'rockboy'? that sounds dirty and illegal 22.41.09 # lol 22.41.11 # its like what you see in amusement arcades 22.41.28 # uhhh...? 22.41.41 # oh look it up on Google 22.41.42 # :) 22.41.56 # <[IDC]Dragon> rockbox, that was a typo 22.42.02 # www.google.com/search?q=fruit+machine+game 22.42.10 # yea 22.42.59 # ahhh 22.42.59 # <[IDC]Dragon> Zagor: still not listening? 22.43.12 # slot machine 22.43.45 # crazy brits :-p 22.44.11 # why dont people use :-b? 22.44.33 # or :-þ 22.44.50 # <[IDC]Dragon> that looks difficult. 22.45.00 # alt+0254 22.45.08 # <[IDC]Dragon> moustache 22.45.17 # :-þ 22.46.06 # yay 22.46.17 # cheers for that 22.51.14 # <[IDC]Dragon> Zagor: one last try befor I go to bed. 22.51.41 # timezones make statement like that very odd 22.51.46 # cause its 4pm here 22.51.47 # heh 22.51.56 # *statements 22.52.08 # <[IDC]Dragon> I've been sleeping at 4pm, too. 22.52.43 # <[IDC]Dragon> Zagor? 22.53.18 # <[IDC]Dragon> OK, I'm out. 22.53.23 Quit [IDC]Dragon () 22.57.43 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.07.01 # ouch, back now. too late... 23.07.27 # :) 23.07.44 # can we add building the UCLs to the default build process? 23.08.27 # "we" meaning "not me" since I'm not too proficient with make 23.08.44 # heh 23.11.00 # mecraw: yes, but it requires the ucl packer, which is a separate project 23.11.18 # not a big deal, just we haven't done that 23.16.00 Quit tracktheripper ("Leaving") 23.16.33 # "the terms of the Archo warranty as currently displayed on their website state that installation of any unauthorized software voids the warranty." can anyone find this? the website is apparently designed to only work on msie... 23.17.35 # ill look 23.25.57 # Q: How can I upgrade the size of the hard drive in my Jukebox FM Recorder? 23.25.57 # A: Archos does not offer hard drive size upgrades. 23.25.57 # There are other third-party companies that do offer this service. If you should decide to have this done to your unit, your factory warranty will be voided. 23.25.57 DBUG Enqueued KICK scott666 23.25.57 # Archos does not support units with modified hardware or firmware. 23.26.24 # do you have a link? 23.26.32 # http://archos.com/support/faq/faq_jukebox_fm_recorder.html 23.26.46 # its probably in all hte FAQs though 23.27.43 # fuzzy wording. "does not support" doesn't have to mean "will refuse warranty on", although at least in the case of hardware it most commonly does 23.28.19 # it's interesting that they at all mention the possibility of modified firmware... 23.28.30 # yeah 23.29.15 # Archos is currently working on also supporting WMA format for all Jukebox players. 23.29.21 # hmmmm 23.29.36 # right. and i have a nice bridge to sell you... 23.29.43 # heh 23.30.05 # The main user group for the Jukebox can be found here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/archos_mp3/ 23.30.13 # heh 23.30.34 # the recorder (not fm) faq states: "All other formats WAV, WMA, OGG, Etc. will not be support on the Jukebox Recorder product line." 23.32.04 # interesting 23.32.27 Join tracktheripper [0] (jirc@ACBF6E6D.ipt.aol.com) 23.32.50 # How do touchscreens on LCDs work? 23.33.19 # lol 23.33.33 # as in how does the glass magically know where the stylus is? 23.33.45 # tracktheripper: google is your friend 23.34.15 # very old ones little sensor dots 23.35.35 # yes Zagor 23.35.40 # whatever you say Zagor 23.35.45 # Google is my friend Zagor 23.35.45 # :D 23.35.56 # it's simply a better way to get better answers 23.36.34 # Yes Zagor 23.36.44 # ill try typing Zagor into Google and see what that brings up :-) 23.37.01 # i'm #2 23.37.08 # :-) 23.37.10 # #1 is a wacko italian comic 23.37.18 # oh right 23.37.20 Join Nibbler [0] (~Nibbler@port-212-202-78-4.reverse.qsc.de) 23.37.22 # i thought u was Sweedish 23.38.28 # i am. i used this nick for many years before someone pointed out there was a comic with the same name. 23.39.10 # cool 23.39.32 # sourceforge cant make 'ö's 23.39.47 # Zaggor is there ever gonna be a feature where you can make/erase folders and store recordings/playlists in the folder of your choice? 23.40.05 # probably, yes 23.40.50 # and is there gonna be a way you can alter the brightness of the backlight? 23.41.18 # probably not 23.41.43 # the only way to do that is to rapidly turn it on and off. too much cpu work for too little gain. 23.42.05 # yeah 23.42.28 # i asked that because ive noticed when it goes out it fades out 23.42.52 # that is not done in software 23.43.10 # http://www.a-regular-joe.com/GodzillaJesus.jpg 23.43.59 # oh 23.44.25 # the request "Make the Player's LCD like the Recorders LCD" is funny 23.44.35 # youre kidding 23.44.42 # im not i 23.44.45 # ill show u the link 23.46.16 # it's not funny, it's a waste of everybodies time 23.47.10 # yeah, that page is way too long 23.48.25 # ??? 23.49.01 # what isnt funny? 23.49.16 # stupid suggestions 23.49.19 # why is wasting our time funny? 23.49.41 # people filling up nonsense requests is not funny after the first or second time someone does that... 23.49.44 # i didn't say it was 23.49.59 # i never file funny requests 23.50.42 # http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=706783&group_id=44306&atid=439121 23.51.01 # Zagor: anything new that you have been working on? 23.52.07 # no, i've mostly spend the last two days catching up :) 23.52.27 # Zagor: I like the new daily build tables... 23.52.28 # Zagor do "Invert" for the Player as well :-) 23.53.25 # Zagor: I think that you need to update the features page as well... 23.53.28 # that option doesnt work quite right for me, i get slightly dimmer lines going up and down 23.53.58 # elinenbe: what's missing? 23.55.45 # exactly