--- Log for 26.07.103  Server: calvino.freenode.net  Channel: #rockbox
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00.00.24 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Ah, now I get it. the other one is fixed?
00.00.33 #       <Zagor> exactly
00.01.13 #       <[IDC]Dragon> We'd better use that one then.
00.01.57 #       <Zagor> yes
00.04.18 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I need to think a bit more on how and where my drive works without being ready.
00.04.36 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Following that old code, I mean.
00.04.45 #       <Zagor> yeah, that seems very strange to me
00.05.04 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Worked for 50% of the people or so.
00.05.25 #       <[IDC]Dragon> And gives the famous 3 sec resume.
00.05.53 #       <Zagor> yes. it would be good to get that back for the people it works for.
00.06.17 #       <[IDC]Dragon> OK, another day. Thanks alot so far.
00.06.39 #       <[IDC]Dragon> (It just became my birthday 5 minutes ago)
00.06.48 #       <Zagor> wooo, congrats!
00.07.01 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Better not, at my age.
00.07.07 #       <Zagor> ;)
00.07.38 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I'm now a mid-30s guy :-(
00.12.08 #       <[IDC]Dragon> One thing about the mask value: I strongly urge to use that only within inits, not at runtime.
00.12.26 #       <Zagor> yes
00.12.42 #       <[IDC]Dragon> If a thread is accessing the flash, my programming will be disturbed.
00.13.11 #       <[IDC]Dragon> So this is a _BIG_ no-no.
00.13.53 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Or I have to disable interrupts, I don't like that.
00.13.53 #       <Zagor> it's a big nono code-style-wise too, so that should not become a problem
00.14.49 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Well, I don't see a code style issue with flash accesses.
00.15.27 #       <Zagor> i do. if we need to know a mask value for normal processing, this should be read out to a variable.
00.16.07 #       <[IDC]Dragon> yeah, but this is minor, imho.
00.16.24 #       <Zagor> perhaps. but i'm pedantic :)
00.16.47 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Yeah, I've learned that. Must be in the family.
00.16.53 #       <Zagor> hehe
00.17.42 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Well, old people like me should go to bed now.
00.18.04 #       <Zagor> ok. good night!
00.18.24 #       <[IDC]Dragon> (Party is tomorrow, em, today in the evening)
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00.29.19 #       <Dragania> hey..can someone help me?
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00.36.40 #       <London_blade> hello 
00.36.43 #       <scott666> hey
00.37.09 #       <London_blade> hello
00.37.11 #       <London_blade> scottt
00.38.01 #       <scott666> which archos do you have?
00.38.06 #       <London_blade> recorder 10
00.40.13 #       <London_blade> yo Zagor
00.40.21 #       <Zagor> hi
00.40.51 #       <London_blade> Ive read that flange is achieved by rapidly altering the pitch up and down in quick succession
00.41.00 #       <London_blade> so it may be possible on the Archos since it can pitchshift
00.41.29 #       <Zagor> each pitch change produces a loud click
00.42.21 #       <London_blade> well my Archos doesnt click when i alter the pitch
00.42.58 #       <scott666> so make a patch
00.43.03 #       <Zagor> perhaps not a click, but the sound is briefly interrupted. this means we can't do it continuously
00.43.10 #       <London_blade> oh righty
00.43.14 #       <scott666> so make a patch
00.43.22 #       <scott666> sorry
00.43.29 #       <London_blade> when ive brushed up on my C skills
00.43.31 #       <scott666> i was scrolled up, didnt see it
00.45.48 #       <London_blade> lol
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00.46.41 #       <London_blade> Zagor ive noticed when the backlight is on and the HD spins up the backlight briefly alters brightness
00.46.44 #       <London_blade> Is this normal?
00.46.50 #       <Zagor> yes
00.47.30 #       <London_blade> What is the screen resolution of the Recorder and Player as I wanna try something
00.47.47 #       <Zagor> recorder is 112x64. player does not have graphics.
00.48.11 #       <London_blade> oh right cool. Cant the entire matrix of character cells be used as a graphical area?
00.49.16 #       <Zagor> no. you need to redefine chars and use them. and you can only redefine 4/8 chars (old/new model)
00.49.26 #       <London_blade> oh cool
00.49.33 #       <Zagor> for player, that is. recorder uses a graphic display and thus has no limits.
00.49.40 #       <London_blade> I wanted to do a very basic "aquarium" screensaver
00.49.54 #       <London_blade> basic fish moving around in a "tank" design
00.50.27 #       <Zagor> o
00.50.29 #       <Zagor> k
00.50.57 #       <London_blade> i was gonna do a 1bit image on Paint just to see what a 1bit image would like on those dimensions
00.51.38 #       <hardeep> hmmm, i'm seeing the same problem reported on the mailing list where the battery level is showing as 0 even though it isn't
00.51.50 #       <hardeep> when i ROLO it sets it correctly
00.52.11 #       <Zagor> yes, it seems we've changed something to the worse with the poewr code
00.52.22 #       <hardeep> also, every now and then, the resume "ask" screen is cancelling on it's own even though I didn't press anything
00.54.20 #       <Zagor> odd
00.54.30 #       <Zagor> you are running flash, right?
00.54.37 #       <hardeep> Zagor: no
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00.54.44 #       <Zagor> ok
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00.58.25 #       <hardeep> Zagor: can I commit that plugin change, or were you making changes to it?
00.58.36 #       <Zagor> no, go ahead
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01.04.41 #       <tracktheripper> hiiiiiii
01.05.35 #       <tracktheripper> hi zagor
01.05.55 #       <Zagor> hi
01.06.23 #       <tracktheripper> Zagor when u coming to London?
01.06.47 #       <Zagor> no idea
01.06.52 #       <Zagor> no plans
01.07.29 #       <Zagor> i'm off to bed. see you, guys
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01.13.56 #       <scott666> _blade> scottt
01.13.56 #       <scott666> <scott66
01.14.04 #       <scott666> ummm
01.14.05 #       <scott666> oops?
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01.46.15 #       <midknight2k3> HELLO? HELLO? IS-THIS-- THE------ ROCKBOX--CHANNEL?!?!
02.11.22 #       <edx> YEAHHHH
02.11.42 #       <midknight2k3> GOOOD
02.12.13 #       <edx> Ok but its also 2 AM an i gotta get up at 7... so.. uhm.. how shall I say... I gotta leave you now
02.12.31 #       <edx> good nite
02.12.37 #       <midknight2k3> lol
02.12.37 #       <midknight2k3> no problemo
02.12.37 #       <midknight2k3> bye
02.12.37 DBUG    Enqueued KICK midknight2k3
02.12.37 #       <midknight2k3> good night
02.12.37 #       <midknight2k3> WAIT
02.12.46 #       <edx> what?
02.12.48 #       <midknight2k3> change your name to "edx`sleep"
02.13.06 #       <edx> well i would have left the irc server...
02.13.08 #       <edx> so...
02.13.12 #       <edx> no matter
02.13.14 #       <midknight2k3> ?
02.13.15 Nick    edx is now known as edx`zZz (edx@pD9EABD08.dip.t-dialin.net)
02.13.18 #       <midknight2k3> you're leaving?
02.13.24 #       <midknight2k3> rats
02.13.27 #       <edx`zZz> :>
02.13.28 #       <midknight2k3> i wanted it to be sleep
02.13.31 #       <edx`zZz> ill stay... sleeping
02.13.36 #       <midknight2k3> butr
02.13.40 #       <midknight2k3> i want it sleep
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02.13.42 #       <midknight2k3> not zzz
02.13.46 #       <midknight2k3> thnk god
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02.13.50 #       <edx`sleep> :>
02.13.50 #       <midknight2k3> good nite
02.13.52 #       <edx`sleep> nite
02.13.54 #       <midknight2k3> there we go
02.13.56 #       <midknight2k3> :>
02.13.56 #       <midknight2k3> :D
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02.43.03 #       <BoD[]> azejfiozej
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02.58.28 #       <derfel_> hello all
02.58.54 #       <derfel_> does anyone know how the latest "calendar.rock" runs?
02.59.24 #       <BoD[]> "how" does it run ?
02.59.34 #       <derfel_> I don't see it in the menus 
02.59.53 #       <BoD[]> maybe you just have to open the rock file
03.00.11 #       <BoD[]> i mean ... navigate to the file and click play on it
03.00.21 #       <derfel_> how do you open a rock file from within the menus?
03.00.27 #       <derfel_> ahh
03.00.29 #       <derfel_> maybe
03.00.32 #       <BoD[]> ;)
03.01.09 #       <derfel_> :-D
03.01.12 #       <derfel_> thank you'
03.01.24 #       <derfel_> I thought only rocks can be run from a menu somewhere
03.03.08 #       <BoD[]> nop:) that's the beaty of it
03.08.03 #       <derfel_> this is cool
03.08.16 #       <derfel_> two of them don't work tho: viewer.rock and jackpot.rock
03.08.36 #       <derfel_> I get "Can't find entry point"
03.09.18 #       <BoD[]> viewer.rock cannot work because it needs an argument (the file to view)
03.09.35 #       <BoD[]> for jackpot I'm not sure ... what model do you have ?
03.09.40 #       <derfel_> ahh.. 
03.09.48 #       <derfel_> I have a fm recorder
03.09.56 #       <derfel_> I am using the simulator rightn ow
03.10.08 #       <BoD[]> ok I believe (but I'm not sure) that jackpot is for the players
03.10.25 #       <derfel_> ahh..o well..that sucks for me :)
03.10.32 #       <BoD[]> yeah ;)
03.10.37 #       <derfel_> HA!
03.10.49 #       <derfel_> this firmware is soooooooooooo much better than that crap that comes with the archos
03.10.50 #       <BoD[]> what
03.10.56 #       <BoD[]> héhé ;) yeah
03.11.05 #       <BoD[]> too bad Rockbox don't do hardware too ;)
03.11.10 #       <derfel_> yeah
03.11.27 #       <derfel_> hopefully one day archos will by rockbox, then they will all retire early
03.11.53 #       <BoD[]> humm i'm not sure ;)
03.12.12 #       <derfel_> not sure of what? if they would be able to retire?
03.12.44 #       <BoD[]> would they want to retire??
03.13.07 #       <derfel_> when you have the option, things are a lot less stressful!
03.13.31 #       <BoD[]> but you retire from a job :)
03.13.36 #       <BoD[]> rockbox is not a job
03.13.39 #       <derfel_> true
03.15.19 #       <derfel_> o well...thanks a lot for your help...
03.15.37 #       <BoD[]> noprob
03.15.41 #       <derfel_> later
03.15.45 #       <BoD[]> bye
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04.04.32 #       <diddystar5> naked    hehe
04.04.46 #       <BoD[]> i have to go to bed now
04.04.49 #       <BoD[]> seeyouall
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05.04.12 #       <JasonG> anybody here?
05.06.32 #       <scott666> me
05.06.41 #       <JasonG> are you one of the developers?
05.06.48 #       <scott666> no
05.06.54 #       <JasonG> =)
05.07.17 #       <JasonG> hmm well, i wanted to thank them
05.07.34 #       <JasonG> i just bought an archos and was about to return it until i did a google search on a whim
05.07.43 #       <scott666> send a mail to the list
05.08.05 #       <scott666> rockbox really is exellent
05.08.19 #       <JasonG> the original FM recorder firmware can't even randomize above entry 20 in a playlist
05.08.26 #       <JasonG> since that was a feature i wanted most of all, i was going to return it
05.09.07 #       <scott666> the radio features are still a bit lacking at the moment
05.09.14 #       <JasonG> i noticed, but i can wait =)
05.09.18 #       <scott666> yeah
05.09.28 #       <JasonG> i just wanted to be able to randomize more than 2 cds, lol
05.09.31 #       <JasonG> now i can randomize 100
05.09.34 #       <scott666> thats the great thing about open source, it'll get there eventually
05.09.52 #       <JasonG> I do this shit for a living too, embedded programming and hardware development
05.10.00 #       <scott666> know C?
05.10.11 #       <JasonG> that's 80% of my experience
05.10.18 #       <JasonG> low level C and assembly
05.10.28 #       <scott666> then get working! theres noever too many developers
05.10.31 #       <scott666> hehe
05.10.47 #       <JasonG> i want to know how they did so much without having any of the original source
05.11.07 #       <JasonG> unless the ICs are pretty self-contained
05.11.12 #       <scott666> read the mauling list archives
05.11.23 #       <JasonG> looks like a lot of the features are canned, like the decoding and power managemtn
05.11.36 #       <scott666> yeah
05.11.51 #       <scott666> all encoding is done by the MAS chio
05.11.56 #       <scott666> *chip
05.12.03 #       <JasonG> this was one of the most recent things I designed:
05.12.04 #       <JasonG> http://www.medtronic.com/neuro/gerd/explainproced.html
05.12.07 #       <scott666> decoding too
05.12.44 #       <JasonG> i have to convert all of my oggs and wavs now =)
05.13.46 #       <scott666> yup
05.14.49 #       <scott666> or reprogram the MAS...but theres no documentation
05.14.59 #       <JasonG> oh, it's programmable?
05.15.15 #       <scott666> yeah
05.15.16 #       <JasonG> who's the manufacturer, or what's MAS stand for?
05.15.31 #       <scott666> the manucaturer is micronas
05.15.41 #       <scott666> and we have no documenation at all on how to program it
05.15.52 #       <scott666> its all at rockbox.haxx.se/docs
05.16.04 #       <JasonG> schematics
05.16.19 #       <JasonG> sweet, i'm at home
05.16.25 #       <scott666> hehe
05.17.31 #       <JasonG> lol, no parts #s on the ics
05.17.38 #       <JasonG> oh wait, nmd
05.18.18 #       <JasonG> http://www.micronas.com/products/documentation/consumer/mas3587f/index.php
05.19.28 #       <scott666> but do they say how to program it?
05.21.08 #       <JasonG> hmm, i wonder if rockbox is programming it or using some default programming in the mas
05.22.23 #       <JasonG> lol, i see where all of the audio features come from now
05.22.43 #       <scott666> heh
05.22.56 #       <scott666> i suggest you join the mailing list
05.22.59 #       <JasonG> i see how they do it with a 12 mhz processor now
05.23.06 #       <JasonG> i joined
05.23.15 #       <JasonG> this is the kind of shit i love working on
05.23.44 #       <scott666> good!
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05.58.28 #       <Bluechip> Hi all
05.58.45 #       <Bluechip> anyone know why the simulator has stopped compiling?
05.58.57 #       <Bluechip> I just get "Error 255" !!??
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09.14.12 #       <earHurts> wooo-hoooo!
09.15.13 #       <earHurts> I have excellent new!
09.29.52 #       <PsycoXul> what kinda new?
09.38.22 #       <earHurts> remember my charging problem?
09.38.47 #       <PsycoXul> hmm, not really
09.39.06 #       <earHurts> well, battery problem
09.39.28 #       <earHurts> I was down to as little as 1.5 hours per charge
09.40.11 #       <earHurts> then we did the experiment last night: charger voltage as reported by the debug screen
09.44.30 #       <earHurts> Well, it's fixed. I've been ruuning contiously for the last 8 hours
09.45.02 #       <earHurts> continuosly, even
10.13.38 #       <PsycoXul> cool
10.21.01 #       <earHurts> 8:40 now {)
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11.40.14 #       <earHurts> is anybody there?
11.40.29 #       <earHurts> does any hear?
11.40.41 #       <earHurts> does anybody see what I see?
11.49.46 #       <Hes> no.
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12.02.21 #       <Mine78> Problem: I used the last daily build for the recorder, all works except plugins: it says "incompatible version"
12.02.24 #       <Mine78> anyone can help ?
12.05.20 #       <_aLF> you have to get the .rock of the same version
12.05.52 #       <Mine78> but I did
12.05.56 #       <Mine78> I took the FULL file
12.06.33 #       <_aLF> arg, I don't know then
12.07.07 #       <Mine78> Now it works, I copied the complete folder, maybe something missing 
12.07.10 #       <Mine78> another thing
12.07.23 #       <Mine78> I tried to flash the recorder following step by step instructions
12.07.42 #       <Mine78> but when it is going to flash it says "version mismatch" or a similar thing
12.07.53 #       <Mine78> I backedup my firmware
12.08.02 #       <Mine78> but the next step doesn't work
12.10.05 #       <earHurts> 10.5!!!
12.10.46 #       <Mine78> ?
12.11.01 #       <earHurts> get a daily build that's a few days older
12.11.42 #       <earHurts> my fm has been running on batteries continuously for the last TEN AND ONE HALF HOURS!
12.12.39 #       <Mine78> wow
12.13.11 #       <earHurts> yes, I'm actually beginning to worry I've overloaded the battery or something
12.13.22 #       <earHurts> what time does archos claim?
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12.13.43 #       <tracktheripper> mornings
12.13.50 #       <earHurts> 10.5!!
12.14.52 #       <earHurts> track, you have am fm?
12.15.47 #       <earHurts> hey star wars kid is sueing!
12.18.29 #       <tracktheripper> i wish i did
12.18.33 #       <tracktheripper> i have a plain recorder 10
12.18.52 #       <Mine78> can anyone tell me how the VIEWER plugin works ?
12.20.23 #       <tracktheripper> sorry don';t know
12.20.54 #       <earHurts> it views .txt files
12.21.14 #       <earHurts> playing it alone doesn't do anything
12.21.17 #       <tracktheripper> oh
12.21.22 #       <tracktheripper> i thought it views ID3 tags
12.21.34 #       <earHurts> erm
12.21.36 #       <tracktheripper> earHurts when can we have an ID3 tag editor plugin?
12.21.56 #       <earHurts> jzoss is doing the editor
12.22.21 #       <earHurts> why not edit on your pc?
12.23.41 #       <Mine78> how can I use it with txt and not alone ?
12.23.50 #       <tracktheripper> well sometimes its
12.23.58 #       <tracktheripper>  convieninet to edit tags on the fly
12.25.17 #       <earHurts> play any .txt file
12.25.33 #       <earHurts> ok, on the fly i can see
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12.28.12 #       <tracktheripper> hello Zagor
12.28.16 #       <Zagor> hi
12.28.22 #       <Mine78> Hi zagor
12.28.32 #       <earHurts> let's all pester Zagor with questions! Me first!
12.28.42 #       <tracktheripper> no, mine first
12.28.43 #       <tracktheripper> :)
12.28.44 #       <Mine78> I have a Sanity check fail
12.29.01 #       <Mine78> firmware version 1.28
12.29.03 #       <earHurts> ok, let the insane guy go first 
12.29.13 #       <earHurts> :)
12.29.17 #       <Mine78> thx
12.29.20 #       <Mine78> :)
12.29.30 #       <Mine78> nothing to do with that ?
12.29.54 #       <tracktheripper> Zagor when I tried to record a 30Mb file using the spdif all I got was a load of crackle
12.30.04 #       <Zagor> Mine78: what's a sanity check fail?
12.30.24 #       <Zagor> tracktheripper: as I said, there are lots of things that can be wrong with digital recordning
12.30.31 #       <earHurts> the result of too much existential ennui?
12.30.37 #       <Mine78> while trying to flash my firmware
12.30.50 #       <Mine78> I hit F1 and I got the sanity check fail
12.30.55 #       <Zagor> Mine78: ah. did you read the flash docs?
12.31.22 #       <Mine78> yes
12.31.41 #       <Mine78> I suppose I have to wait something is programmed, isn't it ?
12.32.35 #       <Zagor> no, sanity check fail simply means "you haven't read and followed the instructions"
12.33.09 #       <earHurts> Zagor, any idea the expected battery life of a fully charged fm battery?
12.33.25 #       <Zagor> earHurts: 8-10 hours iirc
12.33.35 #       <Mine78> If the sanity check fails, you have the wrong kind of boot ROM and are out of luck by now, sorry. 
12.33.40 #       <Mine78> this is what is written
12.33.52 #       <Zagor> exactly
12.34.00 #       <earHurts> ok, I was worried. I'm hitting eleven hours in seven minutes
12.34.05 #       <Zagor> what kind of rom do you have?
12.34.10 #       <Mine78> 1.28
12.34.21 #       <Zagor> no, that's version. what kind? (hw info)
12.34.33 #       <Mine78> M=BF
12.34.35 #       <Mine78> D=D6
12.34.42 #       <Mine78> MASK=0x0302
12.34.55 #       <Zagor> then it should work, and the problem is more likely you haven't prepared the files as per the instructions
12.35.10 #       <Mine78> ..................................
12.35.19 #       <Mine78> I dumped my rom
12.35.21 #       <Zagor> *or* it could be you have the rare "special" boot rom that we cannot upgrade right now
12.35.35 #       <Mine78> and followed step by step
12.35.36 #       <Zagor> in any case, dragon is the man to talk to.
12.35.53 #       <Mine78> :(
12.35.56 #       <earHurts> any idea what the voltage level on the fm is when the unit stops?
12.36.03 #       <Mine78> Thank you !
12.36.05 #       <Zagor> earHurts: no idea
12.36.19 #       <earHurts> dragon's responsive to mail on the list
12.37.09 #       <earHurts> the funny thing is, I was doen to about 1.5 hours until I tinkered with it
12.38.20 #       <earHurts> has anyone tried out hoffman's id3 db build?
12.38.57 #       <Mine78> I think I have the rare firmware. I just retryed all the procedure
12.39.31 #       <Mine78> Zagor, do you think it will solved ? I look the .avi and got stunned !!! Really fast !!!
12.40.20 #       <Zagor> i don't know. if the special boot rom is as different as dragon says, supporting it will be almost as big an effort as doing the original flash support
12.40.35 #       <earHurts> dragon seems very committed to making flash work
12.41.08 #       <Zagor> yes, but i wouldn't count on him working his butt off to support the last 1% of units
12.41.42 #       <Mine78> I think you are right :(
12.41.58 #       <Mine78> can I contact him or will I be ignored ?
12.42.01 #       <earHurts> is it a being safe issue? couldn't the special boot just be overwritten?
12.42.03 #       <tracktheripper> ive filed my bug report not
12.42.04 #       <tracktheripper> :-)
12.42.08 #       <tracktheripper> now i mean
12.43.08 #       <Zagor> Mine78: he is very responsive, i doubt you will be ignored
12.43.29 #       <Zagor> earHurts: this boot rom can not be overwritten
12.43.54 #       <earHurts> and it's what loads the flash rom. ah
12.44.02 #       <Zagor> exactly
12.44.11 #       <Mine78> how can I contect him ?
12.44.41 #       <earHurts> but the flash rom is the same as the normal, or no?
12.44.54 #       <Zagor> earHurts: i don't know
12.45.04 #       <Zagor> Mine78: look up his address in the mail archive
12.45.57 #       <earHurts> or he might consider mail to the list more polite?
12.47.01 #       <Zagor> a mail to the list might be more useful for other people too, so it may be the better option
12.47.44 #       <earHurts> has any disk spindown code or defaults been changed in the last week or so?
12.48.01 #       <Mine78> how can I mail the list ?
12.51.07 #       <Zagor> Mine78: http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/
12.52.00 #       <Zagor> you should browse the archive first so you don't repeat an already answered question
12.52.35 #       <Mine78> thank you
12.53.49 Quit    Mine78 ()
12.54.49 #       <earHurts> dear lors, eleven hours and still 2.9 volts
12.55.29 #       <Zagor> is our estimated-time-remaining value good on the fm?
12.55.36 Quit    earHurts (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer))
12.56.33 Quit    scott666 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
12.57.13 Join    earHurts [0] (~zic@pool-141-156-194-200.res.east.verizon.net)
12.57.41 #       <earHurts> so much for linux stability on pdas
12.57.50 #       <Zagor> haha
12.57.53 #       <Zagor> which pda?
12.58.01 #       <earHurts> zaurus 5600
12.58.13 #       <earHurts> I always irc from the pda
12.58.24 #       <tracktheripper> Zaggor did u get my bug report?
12.58.24 #       <Zagor> is it comfortable?
12.58.28 ***     Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
12.58.40 #       <earHurts> moreso than gaim on a w2k box
12.58.44 #       <Zagor> tracktheripper: yes. but i think linus will look at it.
12.59.03 #       <tracktheripper> cool
12.59.08 #       <tracktheripper> is Linus the recording man?
12.59.12 #       <Zagor> yes
12.59.15 #       <earHurts> actually it's pretty cool. I'm reclining on my bed; sometimes I soak my feet in the tub
13.00.01 #       <earHurts> it's like reading a tiny paperback, with characters named "Zagor" and "track"
13.00.22 #       <tracktheripper> what u on about earhurts
13.00.35 #       <earHurts> I irc on a handheld pda
13.00.43 #       <tracktheripper> oh righty
13.00.49 #       <earHurts> I don't irc on anything else
13.00.54 #       <tracktheripper> yea
13.01.01 #       <tracktheripper> u know what would be agood idea?
13.01.07 #       <earHurts> remember the "n"s?
13.01.13 #       <earHurts> what?
13.01.27 #       <tracktheripper> plug a webcam into the usb and use the LCD as a viewfinder :))
13.01.44 #       <earHurts> so I see myself?
13.01.49 #       <earHurts> oh
13.01.54 #       <earHurts> no usb
13.02.09 #       <earHurts> needs a cf card, and then I'd lose wifi
13.02.37 #       <tracktheripper> earhurts what u mean all the Ns?
13.02.55 #       <earHurts> theoretically, I could vnc to my pc, and use its webcam
13.03.07 #       <tracktheripper> cool
13.03.17 #       <earHurts> when I first irc'd here, i had a buggy pda
13.03.19 #       <tracktheripper> earhurts this is my fave request
13.03.29 #       <earHurts> the n key was hypersensistive
13.03.41 #       <earHurts> what's your fave?
13.04.16 #       <tracktheripper> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=706783&group_id=44306&atid=439121
13.04.24 #       <tracktheripper> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=706783&group_id=44306&atid=439121
13.05.22 #       <tracktheripper> :))
13.05.37 #       <earHurts> _!+9
13.05.43 #       <earHurts> hang on
13.06.51 #       <tracktheripper> did u  get it?
13.06.53 #       <earHurts> touching
13.07.35 #       <earHurts> wonder how hard that would be
13.08.09 #       <tracktheripper> pardon?
13.08.13 #       <tracktheripper> what is the request?
13.08.44 #       <earHurts> touchscreen
13.09.34 #       <tracktheripper> :)
13.13.17 #       <earHurts> you hear about star wars kid?
13.13.23 #       <earHurts> he's suing
13.14.35 #       <tracktheripper> y
13.17.24 #       <tracktheripper> i think Bjorn and co could be sued by Archos :-)
13.19.04 #       <earHurts> reverse engineering is legal
13.19.05 #       <tracktheripper> or Archos could be sued by Bjorn and co :-)
13.19.34 #       <earHurts> besides, rb increases their market share
13.19.45 #       <earHurts> probably quite a bit
13.20.28 #       <tracktheripper> we need sliders
13.20.29 #       <tracktheripper> :-)
13.21.02 #       <earHurts> sliders maybe
13.24.40 #       <tracktheripper> what "Invert" for the Player? :)
13.25.59 #       <tracktheripper> Earhurts do an "Invert" for the Player :-)
13.25.59 #       <earHurts> :)
13.26.30 #       <tracktheripper> if the Recorder can have it why not the Player? :-(
13.27.02 #       <earHurts> uhuh
13.27.37 #       <tracktheripper> its a simple question :D
13.28.30 #       <earHurts> uh
13.28.55 #       <tracktheripper> well???
13.29.10 #       <earHurts> are you serious?
13.29.17 #       <tracktheripper> YES!
13.29.33 #       <Zagor> tracktheripper: we've answered this a dozen times: it's not possible.
13.29.43 #       <tracktheripper> :-/
13.29.44 #       <earHurts> the player has onlt two lines, right?
13.29.49 #       <tracktheripper> :-(
13.29.55 #       <earHurts> and a bitmapped font
13.30.36 #       <earHurts> we can't directly control player pixels, righr?
13.30.43 #       <tracktheripper> right, im off to write the "software tuner" now
13.31.45 #       <earHurts> 12 hours continous play on one charge in nine minutes
13.31.54 #       <tracktheripper> :|
13.33.21 #       <tracktheripper> done
13.36.27 #       <earHurts> ?
13.36.43 #       <Zagor> earHurts: sounds good
13.36.58 #       <earHurts> what? the battery?
13.37.04 #       <Zagor> yeah
13.37.16 #       <earHurts> yeah, it's curious
13.37.56 #       <earHurts> I've NEVER had it last this long
13.38.33 #       <earHurts> (which is also what my gf says)
13.38.40 #       <Zagor> boo :)
13.39.54 #       <earHurts> And no I've been up 22.5 hours taking battery metrics
13.41.45 Quit    tracktheripper ("Leaving")
13.41.58 #       <earHurts> lost several when the pda excel abended on me
13.42.35 #       <earHurts> still, 2e points of data over 1w hours survived
13.42.39 #       <earHurts> 23
13.44.18 #       <earHurts> and to make it a good test, it's been the same album all 1w hours
13.44.23 #       <earHurts> 12
13.45.04 #       <earHurts> frustratingly, the first half of an opera
13.52.59 #       <Zagor> over and over again?
13.54.52 #       <earHurts> yep
13.54.58 #       <earHurts> on repeat
13.55.51 #       <earHurts> and vbr 126, so assume 8 hours for 192
14.02.31 #       <Zagor> i wouldn't say it's that linear
14.02.50 #       <Zagor> more frequent disk spinup is only a small increase in power consumption
14.03.24 #       <earHurts> i was assuming disk usage was the main drain
14.03.46 #       <Zagor> well it depends how you look at it
14.03.59 #       <earHurts> yes?
14.04.05 #       <Zagor> the unit draws ~100 mA always, with disk spun down
14.04.51 #       <Zagor> spinning up the disk twice per minute thus does not draw twice as much power as spinning up only once
14.05.25 #       <Zagor> since there is always the base consumption which actually is the biggest (until you do really much disk access, of course)
14.05.30 #       <earHurts> what's 100 mA in volts?
14.05.47 #       <Zagor> it's not. those are two different entities. mA is current
14.06.12 #       <earHurts> i thought you'd sat that
14.06.17 #       <earHurts> say
14.07.48 #       <earHurts> the disk is noiser
14.08.03 #       <earHurts> it's ckick-thumping on spindown
14.08.13 #       <earHurts> that's new, I think
14.09.18 #       <Zagor> odd
14.11.43 #       <earHurts> little bug in debug battery, page three
14.12.23 #       <earHurts> when est. remaining is < 3 digits, we get pixel trash after the number
14.12.51 #       <earHurts> or is it a clipped charcter more likely
14.13.46 #       <Zagor> ah, that page sort of assumes a smaller-than-default font :)
14.15.20 #       <earHurts> and i use atadore
14.15.34 #       <earHurts> which is > default
14.15.41 #       <Zagor> yeah
14.22.29 #       <earHurts>  down to 2.73 volts
14.24.36 #       <earHurts> you're writing code to allow plugins to grab the mpeg memory
14.40.53 #       <Zagor> yes
14.42.24 #       <earHurts> I suspect the plugins are going to want data structures
14.42.38 #       <earHurts> I nearly wanted an avl tree recently
14.43.00 #       <Zagor> they are free to
14.43.11 #       <earHurts> the data structure will want allocators
14.43.19 #       <Zagor> they are free to that aswell
14.43.32 #       <earHurts> if not mallocing from the system, from a static pool
14.43.36 #       <Zagor> exactly
14.44.01 #       <earHurts> you wrote a malloc implementatio. is it linked in?
14.44.15 #       <Zagor> no
14.44.47 #       <earHurts> i'd rather see one good one, than a bunch of adhocs
14.45.16 #       <Zagor> yes, but i don't want to add a lot of stuff to rockbox just because some plugins might maybe want to use some of it
14.45.35 #       <Zagor> there is plenty of code space for plugins, and a malloc is not complex
14.47.23 #       <earHurts> if we could dynamically resize the mpeg buffer, we might also free up memory for more mpeg buffer
14.47.45 #       <Zagor> we can, but only at boot.
14.48.28 #       <earHurts> why only at boot? the mas chip needs to know the buffer's extent?
14.48.45 #       <Zagor> no but the the mpeg thread does...
14.49.31 #       <earHurts> i was assuming there's a pointer to start, and a pointer to end, and a pointer to current
14.49.42 #       <earHurts> like a streambuf
14.50.25 #       <earHurts> btw, 13 hours, 10 minutes :)
14.50.25 #       <Zagor> there is, but the buffer is circular and nearly always full. so we can't change the start or end pointer without interrupting and reloading the mpeg data
14.51.33 #       <earHurts> if we moved (say) end back, we'd only have to reload to beginning when current was > end - threshold
14.53.05 #       <earHurts> hah! I've never seen w% battery before!
14.53.07 #       <Zagor> well, current is constantly moving (at ~20KB/s) and "only" reloading part of the buffer still means we have to spin up the disk one extra time.
14.53.26 #       <Zagor> above all, there is very little benefit in adding this rather complex system
14.54.16 #       <earHurts> why the extra spinup?
14.54.52 #       <earHurts> I mean we jsut move the seek pointer back by however many bytes we need to re-read
14.56.38 #       <Zagor> right, in the ideal case we'd only have to spin up sooner
14.57.53 #       <earHurts> the next question is, how much statically allocated memory do we have, that isn't used frequently
14.58.32 ***     Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
14.58.35 #       <Zagor> that all depends on your use patterns, of course
14.59.10 #       <earHurts> yes
15.01.00 #       <Zagor> but yes, there is of course static data that is used only rarely that could be saved by using a common buffer.
15.01.24 #       <Zagor> however the gain would be small and the added complexity (== bug risk) big
15.01.57 #       <earHurts> valid point
15.02.39 #       <Zagor> you can see all static data in the rockbox.map file
15.03.14 #       <earHurts> how can tell its size from the map?
15.04.03 #       <Zagor> the third column is size
15.04.29 #       <earHurts> 5_!+*@
15.04.36 #       <earHurts> thanks, i mean
15.04.39 #       <Zagor> ?
15.05.11 #       <earHurts> battery is really tailing off, the graph went from linear to a nice curve
15.05.40 #       <earHurts> it's the pda. I had the equivalent of num lock on, to enter the battery data
15.05.46 #       <Zagor> aha
15.06.04 #       <earHurts> no seperate number or symbol keys
15.25.50 #       <earHurts> all done!
15.26.20 #       <earHurts> 13 hours, 45 minutes
15.41.33 #       <Zagor> excellent
15.53.21 Join    Neo [0] (~Neo@209.187.167.213)
15.53.24 #       <Neo> hey guys
15.53.30 #       <Neo> can anyone tell mea
15.53.40 #       <Neo> are the headphones just cheap on the archose
15.53.43 #       <Neo> *archos
15.53.46 #       <Neo> casue mine died
15.53.51 #       <Neo> bfore 30 days
15.55.06 #       <Neo> i need to know today
15.55.56 #       <Zagor> yes they are pretty cheap. but they are too covered by the warranty so if you liked them and want a new pair, go see your salesman
15.56.40 #       <Zagor> i would however recommend getting new headphones of better quality
15.58.12 #       <Neo> did urs die?
15.58.19 #       <Neo> after a while u got it?
15.58.31 #       <Zagor> i've hardly every used the included headphones
15.58.40 #       <Neo> o, ok
15.58.52 #       <Neo> otherwise im not having any other problems
15.59.02 #       <Neo> yeh, they just stopped working
15.59.06 #       <Neo> i have other headphones
15.59.12 #       <Neo> to use for now
15.59.22 #       <Neo> except my button is still loosee
15.59.24 #       <Neo> :(
15.59.47 #       <Zagor> button?
16.00.32 #       <Neo> yes
16.00.38 #       <Neo> the play button is loose
16.00.58 #       <Zagor> so you can remove it, or just so it wiggles?
16.01.10 #       <Neo> wiggles
16.01.20 #       <Zagor> that's normal
16.01.55 #       <Neo> ok
16.01.58 #       <Neo> alright
16.02.48 #       <Neo> i think i had a problem that when i resume that it wouldnt play but now that my headphones arent woeking then thats probably the reason, i probably just couldnt of heard it
16.03.53 #       <Neo> when is rombox comming out?
16.04.09 #       <Zagor> it's out
16.04.29 #       <Neo> how do i get it?
16.05.03 #       <Neo> o
16.05.07 #       <Neo> i get the .ucl?
16.05.17 #       <Neo> and use that instead of the ajz?
16.05.23 #       <Zagor> see the docs page on the web site. "how to flash rockbox on your archos"
16.05.32 #       <Neo> yeh
16.05.34 #       <Neo> im reading it now
16.06.03 #       <Neo> so theres a possibility that it could erase my archos?
16.06.31 #       <Zagor> not if you follow the instructions
16.06.51 #       <Neo> ok
16.07.11 #       <Neo> so no more daily builds?
16.11.25 Join    Bluechip [0] (~bluechip@pc3-colc1-3-cust61.colc.cable.ntl.com)
16.11.32 #       <Neo> hey
16.11.36 #       <Neo> trying to install rombox
16.11.46 #       <Bluechip> Afternoon all :)
16.13.06 #       <Bluechip> anybody got any ideas on how to fix the simulators?
16.15.39 #       <Neo> i get an ata error -32
16.15.41 #       <Neo> :(
16.16.32 #       <Neo> but it seems to work
16.20.36 #       <Neo> anyone?
16.21.03 #       <Neo> well
16.21.06 #       <Bluechip> think they all gone away :(
16.21.11 #       <Neo> its seeming to work
16.21.19 #       <Neo> do u have rombox blue chip?
16.21.30 #       <Bluechip> mine is not flashable :(
16.21.39 #       <Neo> that sucks
16.21.41 #       <Neo> why not?
16.22.00 #       <Bluechip> wrong chip inside
16.22.07 #       <Neo> that sucks
16.22.13 #       <Neo> it boots in like 2 seconds now
16.22.27 #       <Bluechip> irony is the fact that the guy who wrote it also has an unflashable player
16.22.41 #       <Neo> o
16.22.50 #       <Neo> how can i charge without the over 85 rule
16.22.51 #       <Neo> u know?
16.23.08 #       <Bluechip> no idea - rockbox chargin sucks donkey parts
16.23.21 #       <Neo> lol
16.23.25 #       <Neo> how do u get a charge?
16.23.28 #       <Bluechip> I use the Archos charging or else it never charges properly
16.23.43 #       <Neo> yeh 
16.23.44 #       <Neo> me too
16.23.54 #       <Neo> but i mean do u wait until it goes down from 85?
16.24.03 #       <Neo> or explain the deep discharge to me
16.24.14 #       <Neo> if u know
16.24.21 #       <Bluechip> I recharge when it gets below about 20
16.24.26 #       <Neo> ok
16.24.32 #       <Bluechip> but it jumped from 67 to 9 last night
16.24.42 #       <Neo> but what if i want to take it on a trip the next day
16.24.46 #       <Neo> and i want full power
16.25.05 #       <Bluechip> are you saying that it will not charge at all over 85???
16.25.29 #       <Neo> yeh
16.25.34 #       <Neo> it hasto wait
16.25.45 #       <Bluechip> jeez - that sucks big time
16.25.49 #       <Neo> because if the batteries get too full then they could fry
16.25.57 #       <Neo> well
16.26.04 #       <Neo> mine is going up now from 87
16.26.06 #       <Neo> lets see
16.26.12 #       <Neo> u dont like ur archos?
16.26.32 #       <Bluechip> all great but want a flashable one
16.26.39 #       <Neo> o yeh
16.26.46 #       <Neo> when did u purchase ur last one?
16.26.58 #       <Bluechip> my only one purchased about 3 months ago
16.27.36 #       <Neo> o
16.27.38 #       <Neo> that sucks
16.27.46 #       <Neo> why isnt it flasshable?
16.28.01 #       <Bluechip> dunno - there are just different version of the unit available
16.29.18 #       <Bluechip> cant tell until rockbox is installed tho
16.29.34 #       <Neo> o
16.29.34 #       <Neo> yeh
16.29.36 #       <Neo> that sucks
16.30.22 #       <Bluechip> need to find a replacement chip and pay someone to swap it out for me
16.30.31 #       <Neo> yeh
16.30.39 #       <Neo> the only difference is that it boots faster
16.31.00 #       <Bluechip> i hate waiting for my player to bbot
16.31.19 #       <Neo> o
16.31.21 #       <Neo> yeh
16.31.48 #       <Bluechip> and now, it is just me, i must confess to being a little jealous of others
16.31.54 #       <Zagor> Bluechip: fix the simulators? what's wrong with them?
16.32.16 #       <Bluechip> hey Zagor
16.32.32 #       <Neo> hey
16.32.36 #       <Neo> well my problems fixed
16.32.52 #       <Neo> thanks
16.32.54 #       <Bluechip> trying to fix a couple of bugs introduced by the plugin system, but keep getting compile errors
16.33.00 #       <Bluechip> also have a new game to test
16.33.01 Quit    Neo ("Client exiting")
16.33.33 #       <Zagor> neo: it does charge >85% too, just not the most aggressive mode
16.34.05 #       <Zagor> Bluechip: the simulators work fine for me. are you sure you have the latest code? which sim and which host?
16.34.24 #       <Bluechip> win32 on a windoze box using yesterdays code
16.34.51 #       <Zagor> brb
16.36.00 #       <Bluechip> Z: mind you, I have noticed that although the main build spews errors - it actually completely okay - the plugins dir terminates with an Error 255 - maybe things are not as bad with the simulators as it seems, but I cannot work out how to run a plugin
16.43.29 #       <Zagor> can you show me a build log?
16.44.26 #       <Bluechip> I can only capture the last screenful of info as I have yet to work out how to pipe the output to a file!!!
16.45.06 #       <Bluechip> ">" only seems to capture SOME of it!?
16.45.23 #       <Zagor> yes, only stdout
16.45.32 #       <earHurts> it doesn't get stderr
16.45.52 #       <earHurts> on linux, you can use 2>
16.46.15 #       <earHurts> Won't cygwin do that too?
16.46.31 #       <Bluechip> ">>" does append in my experience
16.47.10 #       <Zagor> 2> is not the same as >>. actually type 2>
16.47.25 #       <Bluechip> righty
16.47.27 Nick    earHurts is now known as earHurts13h45m (~zic@pool-141-156-194-200.res.east.verizon.net)
16.47.53 #       <earHurts13h45m> and that means typing 1> too, I think
16.48.29 #       <Bluechip> $ make 1> 2> x.x 
16.48.29 #       <Bluechip> BASH: syntax error near unexpected token `2'
16.49.45 #       <earHurts13h45m> bash supports  both the "2>&1" and "&>"
16.50.02 #       <Zagor> oh, bash
16.50.35 Ctcp    Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
16.50.35 #       * earHurts13h45m thinks. . o 0 O ( Google is my friend )
16.50.56 #       <earHurts13h45m> a thought bubble. like in cartoons
16.53.07 #       <Bluechip> i can type make a second time and reproduce only a small section of the build - but nonetheless complete with Error 255
16.54.18 #       <earHurts13h45m> what build is it?
16.54.29 #       <Bluechip> yesterday
16.54.37 #       <earHurts13h45m> wasn't clean out subdirs just recently added?
16.54.44 #       <earHurts13h45m> nevermind
16.55.06 #       <Bluechip> nope ...clean download
16.57.03 #       <Bluechip> should I presume you guys are linux people?
16.57.12 #       <earHurts13h45m> no
16.57.21 #       <Bluechip> can YOU get the sim to work?
16.57.36 #       <earHurts13h45m> you should presume I'm a midget with a hunchback
16.57.53 #       <Bluechip> how do your feet reach the pedals?
16.58.02 #       <earHurts13h45m> I gave up on the sim a long time ago
16.58.15 #       <earHurts13h45m> I'm running w2k and cygwin
16.58.36 ***     Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
16.58.42 #       <earHurts13h45m> what are these "feet" you speak of?
16.59.59 #       <Bluechip> brb
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17.13.18 #       <blastman007> hi
17.15.34 #       <blastman007> why does the game "jackpot" not work on my archos recorder?
17.15.46 #       <earHurts13h45m> got no idea
17.16.02 #       <Zagor> blastman007: because it's written for players
17.16.06 #       <earHurts13h45m> didn't know there was a jackpot game
17.16.31 #       <earHurts13h45m> don't be a playa hayta
17.17.06 #       <blastman007> hmm
17.17.26 #       <blastman007> cant they write it for recorders_
17.18.23 #       <earHurts13h45m> take a look at the code, and port it, blastman
17.18.36 #       <blastman007> and why is tetris from right to left?
17.18.58 #       <earHurts13h45m> dunno why
17.19.08 #       <earHurts13h45m> you a lefty?
17.19.14 #       <blastman007> what is "port" ?
17.19.27 #       <earHurts13h45m> move
17.19.44 #       <blastman007> im not a programmer
17.19.52 #       <earHurts13h45m> to move to another architecture/language
17.20.10 #       <blastman007> is this the only game for players?
17.20.21 #       <earHurts13h45m> dunno
17.20.30 #       <Zagor> sure it can be written for recorders too. but it was written more to prove that games can be done on players too.
17.20.39 #       <Zagor> yes, it's the only player game
17.20.48 #       <blastman007> ohh
17.21.10 #       <blastman007> will they do it for recorders?
17.23.03 #       <blastman007> and why is snake not inluded in the game menu?
17.23.25 #       <earHurts13h45m> dunno
17.23.52 #       <Bluechip> back now: family member with "why can't i connect to MSN"
17.24.09 #       <earHurts13h45m> zagor's working on dynamic menus
17.24.20 #       <Bluechip> go go gadget zagor
17.24.28 #       <earHurts13h45m> you have a family?
17.24.29 #       <blastman007> whats zagor?
17.24.37 #       <Bluechip> lol
17.24.46 #       <Bluechip> one of out resident coders
17.24.46 #       <earHurts13h45m> the rockbox founder
17.24.56 #       <Bluechip> oh! didn't realise that
17.25.15 #       <earHurts13h45m> zagor==bjorn, no?
17.25.28 #       * earHurts13h45m checks
17.25.54 #       <earHurts13h45m> Nick reference Zagor       => Björn Stenberg
17.26.33 #       <blastman007> ok and what is a "dynamic menu" ?
17.26.46 Join    hardeep [0] (1098@208.247.65.237)
17.27.48 #       <earHurts13h45m> a menu that sees what rocks you have, and gives you the option to run them
17.28.30 #       <earHurts13h45m> then, if you hand snake.rock, it would be in the menu
17.28.41 #       <blastman007> cool
17.29.09 #       <Bluechip> ../../apps/plugin.c:100: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type
17.29.15 #       <earHurts13h45m> hardeep, when did you make the fix for the recursive dir option?
17.29.24 #       <Bluechip> same error on lines 102, 103, 105, and 141
17.29.49 #       <earHurts13h45m> icheck to see if you can cast it
17.30.04 #       <Bluechip> it's only a warning
17.30.17 #       <hardeep> earHurts13h45m: uhm, last week sometime, tuesday or wed.  why?
17.30.19 #       <earHurts13h45m> yeah, and it's probably ok
17.30.34 #       <earHurts13h45m> I've got the problem again
17.30.59 #       <Zagor> Bluechip: yeah, that's because rockbox implements open/close/read/write with different parameter types. i'll fix that some day.
17.31.03 #       <Bluechip> Would you expect the sim to run .rocks?
17.31.07 #       <earHurts13h45m> on 030714
17.31.16 #       <Bluechip> cool - np
17.31.31 #       <hardeep> Bluechip: yeah, both x11 and win32 sims run there own version of .rocks
17.31.31 #       <Zagor> yes, the sims run rocks
17.31.55 #       <Bluechip> hmm - so it is MY problem then! :(
17.32.07 #       <earHurts13h45m> how far are the file funcs from ansi?
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17.32.54 #       <hardeep> earHurts13h45m: the change was made in settings.h on Tue. Jul 15.  Please make sure you are using that version
17.32.58 #       <earHurts13h45m> four line quit message
17.33.00 #       <Zagor> earHurts13h45m: not far. just using int instead of ssize_t etc.
17.33.10 #       <Bluechip> i have noticed that "char x[]={'1','2','3'}" in a local procedure causes a call to memcpy which is no longer supported by the plugin system - is there a simple solution
17.33.57 #       <earHurts13h45m> make it static
17.34.01 #       <Zagor> exactly
17.34.16 #       <earHurts13h45m> which is better anyway
17.34.25 #       <earHurts13h45m> for a couple of reasons
17.34.27 #       <Bluechip> it was precisely that fix which killed one function in othelo
17.34.46 #       <Bluechip> i've got a work around, just trying to establish what is going on
17.34.47 #       <earHurts13h45m> blue, are you the othelo guy?
17.34.51 #       <Zagor> really? how did that happen?
17.34.52 #       <Bluechip> yes
17.35.10 #       <earHurts13h45m> can you priv msg me, please?
17.35.23 #       <Zagor> ah, the code assumed the values would be reset at each invocation?
17.35.33 #       <Bluechip> indeedly ;)
17.35.46 #       <earHurts13h45m> put it at file scope
17.36.00 #       <earHurts13h45m> have ab init function reset it explicitly
17.36.09 #       <Zagor> Bluechip: sorry about that. i should have seen that.
17.37.03 #       <Bluechip> z: no problems dude, I've changed the code to keep it happy now :)
17.39.03 #       <Bluechip> now all I need to do is work out how to test it 
17.39.40 #       <earHurts13h45m> when I was a lad, I sketched out some simple plans for computer othello bb never got very far, but I learned the value of certian squares
17.40.18 #       <Zagor> Bluechip: do you get any .rock files at all in your build dir?
17.40.55 #       <Bluechip> no :(
17.41.10 #       <Bluechip> it bails with Error 255 when trying to build "bounce"
17.41.11 #       <hardeep> Bluechip: you're probably missing a few tools
17.41.20 #       <hardeep> Bluechip: you need "dlltool" and "dllwrap"
17.41.29 #       <Zagor> can you put up the last screenful or text somewhere?
17.41.30 #       <hardeep> Bluechip: they are in the "binutils" package of cygwin
17.41.47 #       <Zagor> ah, that sounds like it
17.43.01 #       <hardeep> Zagor: btw, the win32 simulator compiled with mingw on linux works!
17.43.28 #       <Zagor> really?
17.43.36 #       <hardeep> yep
17.44.18 #       <Zagor> even http://rockbox.haxx.se/auto/build-recordersimwin32/uisw32.exe ?
17.44.34 #       <Bluechip> with complete set of .rocks?
17.44.55 #       <hardeep> Zagor: yep, just verified
17.45.03 #       <Bluechip> grrrrrrr
17.45.06 #       <hardeep> Zagor: as do all the rocks built with that version
17.45.06 #       <Zagor> excellent! i'll add the links to the web page then.
17.47.00 #       <Zagor> lovely
17.48.07 #       <Zagor> bleeding edge link added
17.48.31 #       <hardeep> cool
17.49.23 #       <hardeep> one thing i noticed with bleeding edge, not sure if it's intentional... plugin errors don't get reported on main creen, have to see debug output to see if they occurred
17.49.48 #       <Zagor> that's not intentional
17.50.37 #       <Zagor> btw, what is "main screen" as opposed to "debug output"? in linux there is just one stdout...
17.50.47 #       <earHurts13h45m> anyone here have an fm?
17.50.55 #       <Bluechip> is there anywhere I can get a full working toolkit?
17.50.57 #       <hardeep> Zagor: sorry, was referring to the daily builds page
17.51.16 #       <hardeep> Zagor: the table doesn't report plugin errors
17.51.35 #       <Zagor> i doesn't? do you have an example?
17.51.52 #       <earHurts13h45m> blue, what do you mean by toolkit?
17.52.14 #       <Bluechip> something that will let me compile the code in the same way as others
17.52.17 #       <hardeep> Zagor: take a look at last "Player Norm" build
17.52.30 #       <earHurts13h45m> what os do you have?
17.52.37 #       <Zagor> hardeep: ok, thanks. odd...
17.52.37 #       <Bluechip> 98se
17.52.44 #       <earHurts13h45m> get cygwin
17.53.12 #       <earHurts13h45m> get all of cygwin, while you're at it
17.53.22 #       <hardeep> Bluechip: roland is updating his toolkit to include the new utilities required for rocks
17.53.31 #       <hardeep> Bluechip: for now you have to get it manually
17.54.11 #       <Bluechip> in which case - I give up - I would rather work a different project than try to smash my head into cygwin installer again
17.54.15 #       <earHurts13h45m> cygwin's like those fancy margerines
17.54.33 #       <earHurts13h45m> "I can't believe it's not linux"
17.54.42 #       <Bluechip> yeah full of undigestible fats which cause cancer of the colon
17.54.59 #       <earHurts13h45m> cygwin installer caused you probs?
17.55.23 #       <Bluechip> to the point that it ate my machine and I swore never to use it again
17.55.39 #       <earHurts13h45m> it's a bit cryptic...
17.56.02 #       <earHurts13h45m> install or download probs?
17.56.22 #       <Bluechip> eat my machine problems
17.56.49 #       <earHurts13h45m> oh
17.56.52 #       <earHurts13h45m> that
17.56.58 #       <Bluechip> that was AFTER i spent about 45-60mins trying to turn off all the bits I didn't want - which it kept turning back on every time I clicked on something else
17.57.16 #       <earHurts13h45m> dependencies
17.57.43 #       <earHurts13h45m> the bits you didn't want were required by the bits you did
17.57.46 #       <Bluechip> that only work one way
17.58.04 #       <earHurts13h45m> it's easiest to get it all
17.58.28 #       <Bluechip> no, the bits i didn't want were only required by other bits that I also didn't want, but I had to expand the list to realise that - by which time it is too late
17.58.43 #       <earHurts13h45m> although I remember when I first got it, I was on dialup...ugh
17.58.47 #       <Bluechip> what a shame that the plugins has broken the compile :(
17.59.04 #       <Bluechip> everything was working just fine before
17.59.13 #       <earHurts13h45m> and will again
17.59.14 #       <Zagor> everything still works if you don't use the plugins
17.59.37 #       <Zagor> and everything still builds if you install the required build tools
17.59.39 #       <Bluechip> yes indeed - what a shame I am trying to debug a plugin
17.59.54 #       <Bluechip> also what a shame that my new code needs to be produced as a plugin
18.00.12 #       <Bluechip> i suppose I could embed it into the main code and let someone else do the conversion like last time
18.00.23 #       <earHurts13h45m> plugins are a good idea
18.00.46 #       <earHurts13h45m> and it's already been unembeded
18.01.09 #       <Bluechip> not commenting on the value of the idea - just trying to get the damn things to compile
18.01.16 #       <Bluechip> ...under sim
18.01.40 #       <Bluechip> I can ignore the fatal errors, i just can't debug the plugins any more
18.01.59 #       <earHurts13h45m> hardeeps, if he isn't using cygwin, is he using the mingw toolchain?
18.02.32 #       <hardeep> earHurts13h45m: well, we're using the mingw tools package for cygwin
18.03.02 #       <earHurts13h45m> there's a mingw for cygwin now?
18.03.05 #       <earHurts13h45m> why?
18.03.16 #       <Bluechip> who cares why - will it fix my problem?
18.03.28 #       <earHurts13h45m> well, apparently
18.03.42 #       <hardeep> earHurts13h45m: why not? :)  it allows you to build the gui stuff
18.03.54 #       <earHurts13h45m> but I suspect you'll need to compile it
18.04.00 #       <earHurts13h45m> under cygwin
18.04.09 #       <hardeep> Bluechip: i've told you what you need, the "binutils" cygwin package, download that and you'll have everything up and working again
18.04.11 #       <earHurts13h45m> oh right
18.04.14 #       <earHurts13h45m> cygwin
18.04.39 #       <earHurts13h45m> no, wait, you can get to the mswin32 apibfrom cygwin
18.04.45 #       <Bluechip> i will try to work out how to obtain this util without killing my machine
18.05.01 #       <hardeep> earHurts13h45m: i'm sure there are other ways, this is just what we're using
18.05.12 #       <hardeep> earHurts13h45m: it's also compatible with the linux compile of the win32 simulator
18.05.17 #       <earHurts13h45m> ok, 
18.05.41 #       <earHurts13h45m> so you build mingw using cygwin? an I undertsanding correctly?
18.06.01 #       <hardeep> earHurts13h45m: nah, no need to build, there's already a package for it
18.06.13 #       <earHurts13h45m> binaries?
18.06.18 #       <hardeep> earHurts13h45m: yes
18.06.47 #       <earHurts13h45m> so blue just needs which, cygwin or mingw binaries?
18.07.08 #       <Bluechip> binutils apparently - but god only knows how to get these
18.07.38 #       <earHurts13h45m> use the cygwin installer, check only binutils?
18.07.51 #       <earHurts13h45m> It's Wagner time!
18.08.23 #       <earHurts13h45m> hmm. Rienzi? no, siegfried.
18.08.34 #       <Bluechip> i did mention earlier that there wasn't a chickens chance in a super-nove that cygwin installed will get the chance to eat my machine again
18.09.12 #       <hardeep> Bluechip: there are ways to manually install the package as well... see the cygwin faq
18.09.18 #       <Zagor> Bluechip: what are you compiling with?
18.09.42 #       <Bluechip> god knows - whatever I downloaded from the rockbox web page
18.09.54 #       <earHurts13h45m> mmm, fried chicken
18.10.02 #       <Zagor> heh, cygwin then :)
18.10.20 #       <earHurts13h45m> no fried chicken??
18.10.29 #       * earHurts13h45m hungry
18.10.39 #       <Bluechip> all i need to do is find the files that were missing from the official dev kit and maybe I can sima .rock
18.10.54 #       <Bluechip> but all I have to work with is RTFF
18.12.44 #       <Bluechip> seems that all my efforts to help rockbox are in vain - when I offered to help crack the MAS, all I got was reams of "that's impossible"
18.13.42 #       <earHurts13h45m> no, you've given us a vey fun game
18.14.00 #       <Zagor> Bluechip: you did? i thought we had a reasonable discussion about it the other day.
18.14.03 #       <earHurts13h45m> I've enjoyed it quite a bit
18.15.12 #       <Bluechip> Perhaps this group's methods are just alien to me - the last team I was in worked together quite tightly - but then, it was a smaller group
18.15.43 #       <Bluechip> The other night, I felt that I shared everything I had to date, and did not get any of my questions answered
18.15.51 #       <Zagor> what are out alien methods? i don't understand what you are referring to.
18.16.24 #       <Zagor> which questions was that? i answered a few about the mas.
18.16.52 #       <Bluechip> I have tried and tried to help out here at rockbox, but i feel that it is a closed group, and I am just not with the "in" crowd
18.17.37 #       <Bluechip> without reading back over the logs, the only Q I recall asking was with regard to contacting micronas
18.18.20 #       <Zagor> it's unfortunate you feel this way. personally I take pride in welcoming all developers who want to help.
18.20.11 #       <earHurts13h45m> You know, it's easy for different people to get different impression, especially in text only media, like irc and email.
18.20.30 #       <Zagor> what was the question about contacting micronas? if we've done it? if so, no we haven't tried officially. but i recall someone talked to them and they were interested in talking, if we planned to buy >1000 units
18.21.32 #       <Bluechip> perhaps a little more effort could be put in there before we start reversing their stuff
18.21.40 #       <Zagor> naturally, it can't hurt trying again. it's just not very high up on my personal priority list.
18.21.47 #       <Zagor> yes, i agree
18.22.06 #       <Bluechip> do we have any "codec" code?
18.22.19 #       <Bluechip> ...other than the Terratec stuff
18.22.24 #       <Zagor> not that i know
18.23.37 #       <Bluechip> does ANYone know ANYthing about the terratec?
18.23.54 #       <Zagor> i don't :)
18.23.57 #       <Bluechip> ....even if we could use their codecs, that would be a start
18.24.02 #       <Bluechip> darn!
18.24.09 #       <earHurts13h45m> have you asked on usenet?
18.24.29 #       <Bluechip> no, not a usenet man myself
18.24.47 #       <Zagor> yes it would. however i suspect they've spent money developing it and are unwilling to publish it freely (they may even be legally restrained)
18.24.51 #       <Bluechip> one day they will write a decent newsreader for windoze that is NOT called Outlook and I will run it ;)
18.25.18 #       <earHurts13h45m> xnews is quirky but quite nice
18.25.44 #       <earHurts13h45m> it's not an offline reader, but hamster can be used to cache news
18.26.05 #       <Zagor> Bluechip: how come you still use windows? most programmers tend to shift to a free unix sooner or later. (no flame, just curious)
18.26.05 #       <Bluechip> would there be anything to stop home users holding a copy of terratec firmware on their own hard-drive?
18.26.20 #       <Zagor> Bluechip: apart from it being terratec property?
18.26.28 #       <Bluechip> mainly for the software
18.26.39 #       <Bluechip> freely downloadable
18.27.27 #       <Zagor> i always feel there is too little free software for windows...
18.28.45 #       <Bluechip> there is also my resistance to change, hence why I still run 98se
18.28.47 #       <earHurts13h45m> that's why you get cygwin.
18.28.50 #       <earHurts13h45m> whoops
18.29.37 Join    JasonG [0] (~jgore@CPE-65-29-128-208.wi.rr.com)
18.30.11 #       <Zagor> Bluechip: terratec firmware being freely downloadable means anyone can download it from their site. it still doesn't mean we are allowed to distribute it, or use parts of it in our firmware. however it's definitely worth asking them.
18.30.26 #       <JasonG> hi guys
18.30.27 #       <Bluechip> i think also, working in the private sector for so long, you realise that everything is released for windows - try compiling your phoenix bios code under linux - maybe possible, but totally unsupported
18.30.54 #       <Bluechip> we do not need to distribute it - they already do that for us
18.31.28 #       <Zagor> Bluechip: yeah, but it's not very practical if we'd want the feature in rockbox
18.32.20 #       <Bluechip> a link to their f/w with a free advert?
18.33.21 #       <Bluechip> to me it is just another file on the internet - download it, slap it on a hard drive somewhere
18.34.03 #       <Bluechip> if a program then opens this file (such as grep, or explorer, or rockbox) then is that a problem?
18.34.30 #       <Zagor> no
18.34.51 #       <Bluechip> so you have a solution :)
18.34.52 #       <Zagor> however it's a rather messy way to integrate it into rockbox :)
18.35.03 Quit    Galik (Remote closed the connection)
18.35.08 #       <Bluechip> open file, read data, close file ?
18.35.27 #       <Bluechip> maybe a user could do "save data"
18.35.40 #       <Zagor> well the file is an .exe so it's a bit more than that.
18.35.50 #       <Bluechip> what file is an exe?
18.35.55 #       <JasonG> hey, I wanted to thank you for working on this.. bought an Archos the other day and almost returned it after I found out it couldn't randomize worth crap
18.36.09 #       <Zagor> the firmware file distributed by terratec
18.36.10 #       <JasonG> did a last ditch google search, and found rockbox, lol
18.36.28 #       <Bluechip> JG: Welcome to the future ;)
18.36.42 #       <Bluechip> z: its a self extracting archive
18.36.50 #       <Bluechip> the firmware is a .bin
18.36.56 #       <JasonG> and I'm also an embedded software engineer, so I'm looking at the schematics
18.37.08 #       <Bluechip> hey cool :) muchos welcome :)
18.37.33 #       <Zagor> JasonG: which model did you buy?
18.37.39 #       <JasonG> FM Recorder 20
18.37.49 #       <Zagor> good choice
18.37.57 #       <JasonG> it was only $10 more than the others
18.38.03 #       <Bluechip> stll favour the recorder20 personally
18.38.07 #       <earHurts13h45m> excellent!
18.38.26 #       <earHurts13h45m> Jason, I wonder if you have a moment...
18.38.32 #       <Zagor> Bluechip: actually, so do I :)
18.38.36 #       <JasonG> sure
18.38.51 #       <earHurts13h45m> excellent!
18.38.57 #       <JasonG> I was going to look at the source and schematics and see if I can do anything to help with the tuner functionality
18.39.08 #       <earHurts13h45m> You've installed rockbox on your fm?
18.39.11 #       <Bluechip> Z: can we do data via digital I/O - or is this also on the other side of the MAS?
18.39.17 #       <JasonG> yeah, 7/25's build
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18.39.29 #       <Zagor> Bluechip: it's connected to the mas only
18.39.31 #       <earHurts13h45m> and you have it at hand?
18.39.37 #       <JasonG> yep
18.39.43 #       <earHurts13h45m> superb!
18.39.47 #       <scott666> hey all
18.39.57 #       <Bluechip> if we can crack this MAS we will open pandoras box
18.40.06 #       <Zagor> Bluechip: indeed
18.40.08 #       <earHurts13h45m> would you mind plugging in the charger, and stopping playback?
18.40.08 #       <JasonG> i was looking at the MAS datasheet last night
18.40.20 #       <Zagor> i'd say the terratec firmware can be our rosetta stone
18.40.24 #       <JasonG> does Rockbox program the decoding firmware into it, or does it use the default?
18.40.26 #       <Bluechip> don't suppose you have contacts at micronas?
18.40.33 #       <Zagor> JasonG: the default
18.40.38 #       <Bluechip> we just use the default :(
18.40.45 #       <JasonG> does the Archos ROM use the default too?
18.40.49 #       <Zagor> yes
18.41.01 #       <scott666> but the terratec firmware doesnt?
18.41.01 #       <JasonG> sorry, i'm being lazy, i just haven't looked into it yet
18.41.16 #       <Bluechip> no, much easier to ask first - save doing the same work trwice
18.41.25 #       <JasonG> so i should turn it on, play something, plug in the charger, and stop it?
18.41.44 #       <earHurts13h45m> no, plug, but don't play anything
18.41.51 #       <Zagor> scott666: it appears not. they advertise "Variable playback speed possible without affecting pitch" which requires custom dsp code
18.42.14 #       <earHurts13h45m> then go to menu (f1 key)
18.42.22 #       <JasonG> ear: but what am I stopping if I plug it in?
18.42.27 #       <earHurts13h45m> scroll to debig, then view battery
18.42.28 #       <Bluechip> there is apparently a player by a company called Terratec which also uses the MAS chip, they offer features that are not supported by the native MAS code - so we may have a route in
18.42.29 #       <JasonG> err, if i don't start anything
18.43.01 #       <earHurts13h45m> turn it on, just don't play any music
18.43.09 #       <JasonG> I wish I was still at my previous employer, doing work for polk.  i'm sure i could get specs for the MAS
18.43.25 #       <Bluechip> still have friends at the old company?
18.43.35 #       <Bluechip> i am currently trying this myself :)
18.43.52 #       <earHurts13h45m> ahem, clean room
18.43.53 #       <JasonG> i did a wireless 5.1 system for polk using 802.11
18.44.04 #       <Bluechip> cooool
18.44.13 #       <earHurts13h45m> wifi?
18.44.19 #       <earHurts13h45m> er, yes
18.44.42 #       <JasonG> ear: says battery voltage scale 4.17 - 4.20 V
18.45.01 #       <JasonG> external: 1.3 V
18.45.03 #       <JasonG> charger: present
18.45.50 #       <earHurts13h45m> external is q.e? what,s battery?
18.46.07 #       <earHurts13h45m> s/q.e/1.3
18.47.00 #       <earHurts13h45m> is the charger plugged in to the outlet/mains?
18.47.16 #       <JasonG> ?  i don't know what you mean
18.47.27 #       <JasonG> i'm just using the DC charger, DC IN
18.48.12 #       <earHurts13h45m> right
18.48.31 #       <earHurts13h45m> is the dc charger plugged into the wall?
18.48.38 #       <JasonG> yep
18.49.15 #       <earHurts13h45m> and it's 1.3 V, and battery is 4.17 V?
18.49.45 #       <JasonG> external goes between 1.00 and 1.50 V, but it is fully charged
18.49.56 #       <earHurts13h45m> on the screen that starts "Power Status"?
18.50.01 #       <JasonG> yep
18.50.10 #       <earHurts13h45m> ok, thanks
18.50.14 #       <earHurts13h45m> that's odd
18.50.20 #       <JasonG> is it?
18.50.30 #       <earHurts13h45m> well, no
18.50.39 #       <earHurts13h45m> Yours may be corect.
18.50.56 #       <earHurts13h45m> but my external is 6.95 V
18.51.10 #       <JasonG> same unit?
18.51.18 #       <earHurts13h45m> recorder fm
18.51.27 #       <JasonG> and is the battery charged?
18.51.37 #       <earHurts13h45m> charging
18.51.42 #       <Zagor> Bluechip: it seems our dcc chat isn't working
18.51.53 #       <JasonG> aren't li-ions charged with varying voltages?
18.51.55 #       <Bluechip> hmmm, do you use any other form of IM?
18.52.06 #       <JasonG> if there's an IC charger chip, it'll vary voltage based on your charge
18.52.21 #       <Zagor> Bluechip: we can use private irc messages without dcc
18.52.40 #       <earHurts13h45m> yeah, it'll run down a bit lower
18.53.19 #       <earHurts13h45m> but yours is new and un-modded, so I trust it more
18.54.00 #       <earHurts13h45m> I'm completely ignorant about electricity
18.54.40 #       <JasonG> li-ions are charged based on change in current and voltage over time, it's really screwy
18.55.20 #       <earHurts13h45m> it's odd.
18.55.43 #       <JasonG> and i don't know if that number is from the charger or what
18.56.06 #       <earHurts13h45m> i was having very bad battery problems, getting as little as 1.5 hours fully charged to no power
18.56.48 #       <Zagor> JasonG: the unit (not the charger) handles the charging "intelligence". it's done by a chip.
18.56.59 #       <earHurts13h45m> then I tinkered and got charger voltage up to 6.9, and got 13.75 hours
18.57.09 #       <JasonG> i figured, that'd be a shitty thing to have to do in software =)
18.57.15 #       <Zagor> indeed
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18.59.06 #       <earHurts13h45m> recorder does it in software, yes?
18.59.20 #       <JasonG> i'm trying to look for DC IN on the schematics
18.59.30 #       <Zagor> well recorder does nimh charging, which is much simpler. 
18.59.36 #       <JasonG> yeah
18.59.39 #       <Zagor> basically all we control is on/off
18.59.50 #       <JasonG> you mean players
18.59.59 #       <Zagor> no, the non-fm recorders
19.00.00 #       <JasonG> recorders have li-ion, right
19.00.06 #       <JasonG> players have nimh
19.00.07 #       <Zagor> only fm has liion
19.00.09 #       <Bluechip> no NiMh
19.00.11 #       <JasonG> oh, ok
19.00.18 #       <Bluechip> 4 x AA
19.00.44 #       <JasonG> do you have FM recorder schematics?
19.02.36 #       <Zagor> no
19.02.58 #       <Zagor> hardeep: compile status table bug fixed
19.03.16 #       <hardeep> Zagor: merci
19.03.27 #       <JasonG> oh there it is, Linear 1734
19.03.59 #       <earHurts13h45m> The ancient Cretan alphabet?
19.04.08 #       <JasonG> man, I can't believe they fit all this into a package this small, with a battery and all
19.04.24 #       <scott666> open it up and see for yourself
19.04.32 #       <earHurts13h45m> It's quite tight.
19.04.51 #       <earHurts13h45m> the battery is sandwiched between the board and the hdd
19.04.51 #       <JasonG> i've designed some this small, but it didn't have nearly as much crap =)
19.05.00 #       <Zagor> haha
19.05.08 #       <Bluechip> lol
19.05.28 #       <earHurts13h45m> any idea what the tiny screw on the top of the board is for?
19.05.28 #       <JasonG> i wonder if they did heat stress tests
19.06.33 #       <JasonG> ear: according to the datasheet, the voltage is at 1.5 when charging and dips down to 0 as the battery completes charge
19.06.35 #       <earHurts13h45m> said screw doesn't really attach to anything
19.06.43 #       <JasonG> so you shouldn't be seeing above 1.5 V, if you have a li-ion unit
19.06.54 #       <earHurts13h45m> hmm
19.07.00 #       <Bluechip> I was wondering - do you think it would be possible to attach an IR sensor for a PC motherboard to the Archos?  If so, is the "read ir" flexible enough?
19.07.02 #       <JasonG> you might have broke it =)
19.07.11 #       <earHurts13h45m> quite possibly
19.07.15 #       <JasonG> i've done some IR stuff
19.07.18 #       <earHurts13h45m> I opened it up
19.07.32 #       <Bluechip> looking for a simple solution that anybody cqan implement
19.08.18 #       <earHurts13h45m> what datasheet are you looking at Jason?
19.08.19 #       <JasonG> this thing is a lot like something I designed for medtronic, except data was flash-based, and there was no audio
19.08.21 #       <JasonG> but it was wireless
19.08.31 #       <JasonG> http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/1734i.pdf
19.08.46 #       <JasonG> http://www.medtronic.com/neuro/gerd/explainproced.html
19.14.23 #       <earHurts13h45m> jason, maybe you can speculate on something else
19.14.55 #       <JasonG> like why archos doesn't ditch their firmware and use yours
19.15.06 #       <earHurts13h45m> well, not mine
19.15.25 #       <earHurts13h45m> my contribution has been minimal
19.15.37 #       <JasonG> the collective "yours"  =)
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19.15.59 #       <Bluechip> JG: Are you rtying to get "corporate" and "free" in the same sentence?  lol
19.16.07 #       <earHurts13h45m> at one point during charging, my external voltage was lower
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19.16.23 #       <JasonG> like i said, i would have returned it if i wouldn't have found rockbox
19.16.38 #       <earHurts13h45m> and i was getting output to the headphones. low volume white noise
19.17.05 #       <earHurts13h45m> not the charger noise; through the headphones
19.17.16 #       <earHurts13h45m> a short?
19.17.35 #       <JasonG> it was off?
19.17.53 #       <earHurts13h45m> on
19.17.59 #       <JasonG> what is "low voltage"?
19.18.15 #       <earHurts13h45m> 4.x
19.18.31 #       <JasonG> i still don't see how it can be above 1.5
19.18.35 #       <Zagor> JasonG: you should tell archos that
19.18.40 #       <JasonG> i'd have to answer that question first
19.18.57 #       <Zagor> i mean "i would have returned it if i wouldn't have found rockbox"
19.19.17 #       <JasonG> the thing couldn't even randomize above entry 20 in a playlist
19.19.21 #       <JasonG> that was like the biggest reason I bought the thing
19.19.50 #       <JasonG> I had a nice big old playlist of 600 songs, and it just shuffled among the first 20, lol
19.19.56 #       <Bluechip> Rockbox is possibly the best thing since lift-up toilet seats
19.20.04 #       <scott666>    lol
19.20.07 #       <Zagor> haha
19.20.56 #       <JasonG> i'm surprised at how canned everything is
19.21.13 #       <JasonG> fm tuner, charger, decoder, usb-ata bridge, etc
19.21.19 #       <Bluechip> is the guy here who reported the "last move" bug in othelo
19.21.27 #       <scott666> yup
19.24.29 #       <Zagor> JasonG: yeah, the hardware is nice. that's why we started the project. "with all this cool hardware, *this* was all they did?" :)
19.25.14 #       <JasonG> it helps reverse engineering, too =)
19.25.22 #       <Zagor> yeah
19.25.24 #       <JasonG> as long as the parts aren't proprietary
19.25.24 #       <Bluechip> JG: So, dude, I don't want to sound tooo enthusiastic, but what are the odds of getting hold of the MAS sdk?
19.25.40 #       <JasonG> i have no idea, i've never even heard of micronas
19.25.46 #       <JasonG> i don't know how tight they'd be with it
19.26.27 #       <JasonG> but even if you could do like wavs, would the micro be able to handle the throughput?
19.26.37 #       <Bluechip> I do wonder that if they started the bidding at 1000 units, how much 500 units would cost
19.28.41 #       <Zagor> JasonG: nog 44.1 kHz /16 bit wavs. we're limited to 1Mbit data.
19.28.47 #       <Zagor> not
19.29.46 #       <JasonG> is codespace limited to the micro's RAM space?
19.29.48 #       <JasonG> or can it page?
19.30.10 #       <Zagor> Bluechip: here is a mail from another guy who asked micronas: http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2002-07/0366.shtml
19.30.12 #       <Bluechip> micros ram afaik
19.30.21 #       <Zagor> yes
19.30.23 #       <JasonG> so how much of it is rockbox currently using
19.30.28 #       <Bluechip> 0
19.30.44 #       <Zagor> JasonG: do you mean the dsp ram space, or the cpu's?
19.30.48 #       <JasonG> cpu
19.30.59 #       <Bluechip> !0
19.31.01 #       <JasonG> to me, micro = sh1
19.31.25 #       <Zagor> well we're using all ram. all that isn't used by rockbox code is used for mp3 buffer
19.31.36 #       <JasonG> i mean micro as in microcontroller, not micronas =)
19.31.50 #       <JasonG> so rockbox is about as big as it can get?
19.31.58 #       <Zagor> you can see how much rockbox uses by going to menu->info and subtracting the buffer size from 2MB
19.32.41 #       <Zagor> no, rockbox can grow lots. we just don't want it to, since a big buffer space is important.
19.33.06 #       <Zagor> we've just added a plugin loader so we can swap seldom-used parts of the code out to save space
19.33.15 #       <earHurts13h45m> what, no clippy?!
19.33.27 #       <Zagor> :)
19.33.35 #       <JasonG> so it's like 300k
19.33.41 #       <Zagor> yes
19.34.01 #       <JasonG> write a VMM driver =)
19.34.23 #       <Bluechip> Z: I get the impression that the (very helpful) guy who wrote to Micronas was not "in the industry" and maybe they smelled that and did not want to deal with HOME users
19.34.27 #       <Zagor> we could, but then we'd have to keep the disk spinning which would negate the gains...
19.34.38 #       <Zagor> Bluechip: very possible
19.34.52 #       <JasonG> but i mean, just page in the demos and games and stuff
19.34.57 #       <JasonG> although I don't know which takes up the most ram
19.35.04 #       <Zagor> JasonG: that's exactly what we do with plugins.
19.35.05 #       <earHurts13h45m> oh, hell, Zagor won't even add malloc :)
19.35.15 #       <JasonG> but plugins to me sounds like you'd have to do it manually?
19.35.26 #       <earHurts13h45m> much less operator new
19.35.30 #       <Zagor> yes, such as choose "tetris" in the menu :)
19.35.45 #       <JasonG> oh, ok, then we're talking about the same thing
19.36.17 #       <JasonG> so it's 300k not including plugins?
19.36.27 #       <earHurts13h45m> erm
19.36.39 #       <Zagor> no, it includes the plugin space. they have a dedicated memory are.
19.36.46 #       <Zagor> 32kb
19.36.49 #       <earHurts13h45m> the firmware won't load more than 204
19.36.50 #       <JasonG> but just enough room for one plugin
19.36.53 #       <JasonG> not all, right?
19.36.56 #       <Zagor> exactly
19.37.09 #       <JasonG> and that's why there's a lot more plugins, eh
19.37.32 #       <Zagor> yup
19.37.40 #       <Zagor> i gotta go. talk to you later, all
19.37.44 #       <earHurts13h45m> bye
19.37.47 #       <JasonG> you mean Archo's firemware won't load more than 204 from disk, ear?
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19.37.54 #       <earHurts13h45m> right
19.37.54 #       <JasonG> cya zag
19.37.54 #       <Bluechip> Laters Mr Z
19.38.17 #       <JasonG> but you essentially have another bootloader with the plugin thing
19.38.22 #       <earHurts13h45m> which we were up against until the plugins
19.38.47 #       <earHurts13h45m> a dll or.so loader
19.39.24 #       <earHurts13h45m> there's a seperate bootloader
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19.44.40 #       <earHurts> linux more stable for pdas? nope
19.45.35 #       <scott666> heh
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19.46.19 #       <earHurts> any other fm owners?
19.46.46 #       <scott666> me
19.47.19 #       <earHurts> want to do my voltage test?
19.47.45 #       <scott666> where i have to hold it while i plug in the charger?
19.47.45 #       <JasonG> poor ear doesn't trust me
19.47.48 #       <JasonG> =)
19.48.00 #       <JasonG> i've designed hardware, too
19.48.01 #       <scott666> or was that someone else
19.48.21 #       <earHurts> well, last time I did it someone else reported different results than yours
19.48.41 #       <earHurts> no holding anymore
19.49.02 #       <earHurts> just plug in, without playing music, and tell me numbers
19.49.11 #       <scott666> k
19.49.12 #       <scott666> hold on
19.50.28 #       <earHurts> Jason, let's use your ahrdware knowledge.
19.50.46 #       <scott666> 3.0x internal, ~6.95 external
19.51.01 #       <scott666> *4.0x
19.51.13 #       <earHurts> aha!
19.51.25 #       <JasonG> which version of rockbox?
19.51.41 #       <scott666> 7/25/03
19.52.03 #       <JasonG> and your unit says "JBR FM" on the back
19.52.05 #       <JasonG> ?
19.52.08 #       <earHurts> I was wondering about that too
19.52.20 #       <scott666> yeah
19.52.27 #       <JasonG> it's almost as if mine's showing the charging voltage, and yours is showing the voltage from the DC adapter
19.53.07 #       <earHurts> yours is new, Jason?
19.53.31 #       <JasonG> yep
19.53.38 #       <scott666> mines only a month or 2 old
19.53.44 #       <JasonG> hmm, i just turned it on and it says only 7% charge is left
19.53.51 #       <earHurts> scott, you'll remember my battery problem?
19.53.53 #       <scott666> mine has 84%
19.54.03 #       <scott666> maybe?
19.54.17 #       <scott666> your external was 2V down when u werent holding it
19.54.24 #       <earHurts> I was getting external of about 4.x
19.54.43 #       <earHurts> and my battery life was 1.5 to 3 hours
19.54.54 #       <earHurts> I styaed up all last night
19.54.58 #       <scott666> yeah?
19.55.12 #       <earHurts> no sleep in 29 hours
19.55.31 #       <earHurts> becuase last night I got 13.75 hours
19.55.38 #       <earHurts> of battery
19.56.13 #       <scott666> hmmm
19.56.16 #       <earHurts> because my external is noe like yours, 6.95
19.56.30 #       <scott666> so it fixed itself?
19.56.36 #       <earHurts> nope
19.56.40 #       <scott666> see? it was just lonley
19.56.40 #       <earHurts> 8 fixed it
19.56.47 #       <scott666> 8?
19.56.52 #       <earHurts> s/8/I
19.57.08 #       <earHurts> say key on my keyboard
19.57.12 #       <earHurts> same
19.57.50 #       <scott666> you lost me
19.57.54 #       <scott666> heh
19.58.27 #       <earHurts> 8 and I are on the same key -- it's a pda keyboard
19.59.30 #       <scott666> oh
19.59.31 #       <scott666> lol
19.59.32 #       <scott666> ok
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20.00.19 #       <Bluechip> l8rz all
20.00.30 #       <earHurts> we scared him with our talk of high voltage
20.00.39 #       <earHurts> bye blue
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20.01.35 #       <earHurts> I need a nap too
20.01.48 #       <earHurts> thanks for your help scott
20.01.55 #       <scott666> np
20.02.00 #       <earHurts> bye
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20.32.36 #       <Galik> argh
20.32.40 #       <Galik> hi ppl
20.32.51 #       <Galik> I can't turn my rockbox off :(
20.34.18 #       <Galik> Ahh it's okay now... phew
20.37.17 #       <hardeep> Galik: try holding on to the OFF button for several seconds
20.39.06 #       <Galik> It's off now. It was saying *PANIC*   ata error -32 !!
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20.39.21 #       <Galik> But it went off eventually
20.39.37 #       <Galik> I think I was panicing a bit...
20.40.13 #       <Galik> I just flashed it.
20.40.26 #       * Galik always panics a bit when he flashes things
20.40.35 #       <Galik> The flash is awesome :)
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23.21.18 #       <bronson> Hey guys.
23.21.29 #       <Zagor> hi
23.25.47 #       <scott666> hey
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23.54.38 #       <UncleSalty> hi everyone
23.54.49 #       <hardeep> hello
23.55.06 #       <UncleSalty> i just ordered a Archos Recorder yesterday
23.55.15 #       <UncleSalty> i can't wait to get it and start using rockbox