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00.00.09 #       <UncleSalty> i've spent hours already reading pages from the website and FAQs
00.00.41 #       <scott666> join the mailing list yet?
00.00.49 #       <hardeep> UncleSalty: nice. :)
00.01.10 #       <UncleSalty> i joined the announce and news lists
00.01.33 #       <UncleSalty> considering joining the devel list
00.03.27 #       <UncleSalty> this is one of the most in-depth and well-organized projects i've seen
00.03.33 #       <UncleSalty> or been interested in at least
00.03.50 #       <UncleSalty> great progress as far as i can tell!
00.04.33 #       <scott666> well yeah, considering they started from nothing
00.04.55 #       <UncleSalty> exactly
00.05.02 #       <UncleSalty> quite brilliant
00.05.54 #       <UncleSalty> how do the daily builds now differ from version 2.0 ?
00.06.28 #       <scott666> new code, new features, new bugs
00.06.39 #       <scott666> makes life more interesting
00.07.51 #       <UncleSalty> yeah... wow, i'm so excited.  i love projects that have rapid development and i'll be able to update my rockbox all the friggin' time!
00.09.22 #       <UncleSalty> i only know C++ but i'd like to get involved with development... i'll have to look at the code and see how foreign it looks
00.25.22 Join    diddystar5 [0] (Lee@AC986066.ipt.aol.com)
00.25.48 #       <diddystar5> hardeep: your patch is cool ;)
00.26.40 Join    Guest [0] (jirc@ACBEF9BE.ipt.aol.com)
00.26.45 #       <Guest> hello
00.26.57 #       <Guest> will someone help me with rockbox
00.27.05 #       <diddystar5> yes
00.27.10 #       <Guest> ok
00.27.13 #       <Guest> for the player
00.27.20 #       <Guest> i have a a archos studio 20
00.27.33 #       <Guest> is it possible to rename the files on the player with rockbox?
00.27.52 #       <Guest> you like press the arrows buttons up and down to get each letter?
00.27.59 #       <scott666> highlight the file in the dir browser and press On+play
00.28.17 #       <diddystar5> scott666: yer just 2 fast ;)
00.28.18 #       <Guest> and then u press up or down to rename it
00.28.42 #       <scott666> you use the keyboard...oh...right...you have a player
00.28.55 #       <scott666> ummm
00.28.58 #       <diddystar5> humm   i think it is the same for the player...
00.29.01 #       <Guest> so u can definelty rename  files on the go without using a pc
00.29.10 #       <scott666> yeah
00.29.14 #       <scott666> just experiment
00.29.16 #       <Guest> on the player
00.29.16 #       <diddystar5> try the on+play
00.29.22 #       <scott666> i have an FMR, so i dont know how to do it on hte player
00.29.22 #       <Guest> ok cool
00.29.26 #       <Guest> rockbox kicks ass
00.29.46 #       <scott666> yes it does
00.29.58 #       <scott666> especially in flash
00.30.03 #       <Guest> the last firmware for archos is 5.7 and they havnt releaseed another one for ages
00.30.16 #       <Guest> hey when will .wma support be avialble?
00.30.22 #       <scott666> never
00.30.27 #       <diddystar5> never
00.30.30 #       <scott666> underlined
00.30.33 #       <diddystar5> hehe   see the FAQ
00.30.34 #       <Guest> its say it will sometime
00.30.41 #       <scott666> no
00.30.42 #       <scott666> never'
00.30.44 #       <scott666> not by us
00.30.53 #       <diddystar5> wma isn't very good anyway
00.30.55 #       <Guest> and how the hell do i register this copy?
00.31.00 #       <Guest> i know
00.31.06 #       <Guest> i have a convertor wma to mp3
00.31.24 #       <scott666> even if we could prgram the MAS, WMA is closed source
00.31.36 #       <Guest> how do i register this ?
00.31.49 #       <diddystar5> what do you mean by register?
00.32.01 #       <Guest> like it keeps saying ask the webmaster
00.32.08 #       <Guest> to register it
00.32.32 #       <diddystar5> not sure...
00.32.48 #       <Guest> can u delete files on the player?
00.33.27 #       <diddystar5> yes   i think it's a option when you press on+play
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00.34.11 #       <nevs> hello
00.34.16 #       <nevs> its me guest
00.34.17 #       <diddystar5> hey
00.34.48 #       <diddystar5> one sec and i can see on the simulator
00.35.23 #       <nevs> how can i get the simulator?
00.35.48 #       <diddystar5> humm you need to know how to compile rockbox
00.36.23 #       <nevs> so does the player now support plugins?
00.36.28 #       <scott666> yeah
00.36.32 #       <diddystar5> yes
00.36.33 #       <scott666> theres even a game
00.36.44 #       <nevs> so what does that mean
00.36.58 #       <diddystar5> jackpot is the name of the game
00.37.23 #       <nevs> what plugins can u get?
00.37.37 #       <diddystar5> humm   helloworld and jackpot
00.37.57 #       <diddystar5> at the moment atleast
00.37.59 #       <nevs> if i download rockbox, should i get v2 or the lastest daily build
00.38.01 #       <scott666> viewer
00.38.18 #       <scott666> both
00.38.22 #       <scott666> wait
00.38.23 #       <nevs> what?
00.38.34 #       <scott666> no download 'full' from the daily builds page
00.38.53 #       <scott666> you need the .rockbox folder
00.38.54 #       <nevs> okl
00.39.05 #       <scott666> but you can get that with the daily build now
00.39.07 #       <nevs> hey by the way
00.39.10 #       <diddystar5> that gets you the .rockbox with plugins, languages...
00.39.42 #       <nevs> at the  moement im using a adapter which is not the normal one and its only 300ma power instead of 600ma , does that matter?
00.40.02 #       <nevs> for my ac/dc charger plug
00.40.09 #       <diddystar5> only the charging time
00.40.23 #       <nevs> cuase archos piss me off
00.40.47 #       <diddystar5> hehe       mine came with a 15v 600mA
00.40.56 #       <diddystar5> 15v = bad
00.41.35 #       <nevs> my original adaptor broke at the top of the charger becuase the wire frayed and then snapped, and i asked archos for new one but they need the whole package to be sent back, including player and stuff!
00.42.02 #       <nevs> and then they give me new player just for a new adapter its crazy
00.42.27 #       <diddystar5> luckly i got a 4 year warrenty from bestbuy ;)       and i'm now on my 3rd unit
00.42.45 #       <nevs> lol!#
00.43.07 #       <scott666> 4 year?
00.43.09 #       <nevs> no problems with my studio 20 so far, apart from battery power and the charger
00.43.12 #       <diddystar5> the first 2 had bad hdd's   and they quit working
00.43.15 #       <scott666> they only offered my a 2 year
00.43.39 #       <scott666> and that was only a replacement plan
00.44.18 DBUG    Enqueued KICK nevs
00.44.18 #       <nevs> 1and its bloody anyyoning on my player
00.44.33 #       <diddystar5> ill be wanting something new after that warrenty is over
00.44.59 #       <nevs> when i fully charge it, so the battery bar is full, i connect it to the pc to transfer some songs, de connect it, turn it back on, battery charge has gone!
00.45.10 #       <nevs> why!
00.45.19 #       <scott666> it takes energy to spin up the disk a lot
00.45.37 #       <scott666> keep it plugged in when you copy files
00.45.37 #       <diddystar5> you should leave the charger on while doing that
00.45.40 #       <nevs> but not a full charge
00.46.12 #       <nevs> does it aactually charge it while it says "usb active"?
00.46.17 #       <diddystar5> yep
00.46.35 #       <diddystar5> anytime you have it pluged in it's charging
00.46.38 #       <nevs> didnt know that
00.46.52 #       <UncleSalty> it actually charges from the USB power?
00.47.11 #       <nevs> im ordering a universal adapter from archos for the player
00.47.28 #       <diddystar5> i mean pluged in the charger
00.47.30 #       <nevs> it cant charge form usb power
00.47.39 #       <scott666> it charges VERY slow from the USB, but it does charge
00.47.52 #       <diddystar5> nevs: why buy it from archos?
00.47.56 #       <nevs> does it!?
00.48.07 #       <UncleSalty> okay i had heard something about that
00.48.09 #       <nevs> no i got it from dabs
00.48.09 #       <nevs> dabs.com
00.48.38 #       <nevs> the universal power adapter for the players/recorders from dabs
00.48.50 #       <nevs> £30
00.49.54 #       <nevs> im gonna go now
00.50.06 #       <nevs> im gonna come here tomorow 
00.50.17 #       <nevs> rock box is so cool
00.50.27 #       <nevs> apart from one thing persoanllt
00.50.31 #       <nevs> personally*
00.50.48 Ctcp    Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
00.50.48 #       * diddystar5 waves buy
00.50.58 #       * diddystar5 *bye
00.51.02 #       <nevs> i prefers the WPC screen like the orignal archos
00.51.13 #       <diddystar5> you can do that i think
00.51.23 #       <nevs> like bigger text , rock box is too small text 
00.51.36 #       <nevs> can u change to orignal style in rock box
00.52.17 #       <diddystar5> no     not unless you were a good programmer ;)
00.52.27 #       <nevs> damm
00.52.32 #       <nevs> oh well
00.52.45 #       <diddystar5> gotta go bye
00.52.45 #       <nevs> it still is alot fucking better than archos firmware
00.52.56 #       * diddystar5 goes bye bye
00.52.56 #       <nevs> me too i gtg cya tommorow
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00.53.09 #       <nevs> bye everyone
00.53.12 Quit    nevs ("Leaving")
00.55.14 #       <UncleSalty> peace out
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01.04.09 Join    Neo [0] (~Neo@209.187.167.213)
01.04.10 #       <Neo> hey
01.04.20 #       <scott666> hey
01.04.26 #       <Neo> i only get about 1-3 hours with my archos
01.04.27 #       <Neo> :(
01.04.33 #       <Neo> batterylife that is
01.05.10 #       <bronson> Neo: which archos?
01.05.12 #       <scott666> yeah
01.05.38 #       <bronson> Hey, is bookmarking in Rockbox 2.0?
01.05.42 #       <bronson> I thought it was supposed to be...
01.05.46 #       <scott666> no
01.05.53 #       <bronson> Rats.
01.05.53 #       <scott666> bookmarking isnt even in daily buils
01.05.56 #       <scott666> *builds
01.05.56 #       <Neo> archos recorder 20
01.06.00 #       <scott666> dont use 2.0
01.06.03 #       <scott666> use a daily
01.06.11 #       <scott666> theres sooo many more features
01.06.11 #       <bronson> Happy to do that.
01.06.22 #       <bronson> Is there a patch for BM?
01.06.35 #       <bronson> I've got a 200 hour audiobook.
01.06.43 #       <bronson> Scanning in that is, erm, painful...
01.07.03 #       <Neo> bronson: i have archos recorder 20
01.07.03 #       <bronson> s/200/20/  :)
01.07.11 #       <Neo> and i only get about 1-3 hrs
01.07.16 #       <bronson> Neo: Dunno then.
01.07.22 #       <bronson> The battery should be pretty new.
01.07.32 #       <bronson> It's too bad that Archos put a custom one in there.
01.07.44 #       <bronson> Otherwise, you could just swap it out and see...
01.08.06 #       <Neo> i still have the warranty
01.08.10 #       <scott666> he said recorder 20
01.08.15 #       <scott666> he cause get new NiMHs
01.08.18 #       <scott666> *can
01.08.24 #       <bronson> Er, right.
01.08.30 #       <bronson> For some reason, i was picturing the FM.
01.08.44 #       <Neo> should i get a new one
01.08.46 #       <bronson> Batts for the recorder 20 are darned reasonable.
01.08.46 #       <Neo> swap it out
01.08.54 #       <bronson> Sure.
01.08.55 #       <Neo> with the warranty?
01.09.02 #       <bronson> Give it a shot.
01.09.06 #       <Neo> i mean, how much battery life do u get
01.09.07 #       <Neo> or
01.09.08 #       <scott666> try new batteries first
01.09.16 #       <bronson> See how painful a warranty replacement is.
01.09.29 #       <Neo> am i doing something thats draining the batteries
01.09.42 #       <bronson> Check your settings.
01.09.48 #       <bronson> How old is it?
01.10.05 #       <Neo> less than 30 days
01.10.07 #       <bronson> I have an R20 and after 1.2 years or so of heavy use, I get about 6 hours.
01.10.16 #       <bronson> I got 10 new.
01.10.30 #       <bronson> That's into some Sennheiser headphones though -- I'm sure that helps.
01.10.30 #       <Neo> yeh
01.10.44 #       <Neo> but ive only had it sum 25 days
01.10.46 #       <Neo> less
01.11.13 #       <bronson> I remember someone complaining about something like this on the Mailing list.
01.11.26 #       <bronson> Archos swapped out his device and the problem went away.
01.11.54 #       <bronson> Others have complained of Archos's abysmal support.
01.12.03 #       <Neo> yeh
01.12.04 #       <bronson> Either way, you're rolling the dice.  :)
01.12.10 #       <Neo> do u think im doing anything wrong though
01.12.15 #       <Neo> i havnt really changed anything
01.12.17 #       <Neo> using rombox
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01.13.26 #       <scott666> try charging with F1
01.13.50 #       <Neo> f1?
01.14.32 #       <tpelliott> I finally took my Archos JBR20 apart to see how easy it would be to upgrade the hard drive.  It wasn't too hard to get it apart (and back together).
01.15.06 #       <Neo> what do u mean F1 scott?
01.15.21 #       <Neo> charging wtih F1
01.15.29 #       <scott666> if you boot with F1 you get the orginal firmware
01.15.33 #       <tpelliott> hold F1 when plugging in the charger.
01.15.41 #       <Neo> and?
01.15.46 #       <scott666> so hold f1 while you plug it in and you get the old charging screen
01.16.03 #       <Neo> even with rombox
01.16.04 #       <Neo> ?
01.16.11 #       <Neo> ive charged with taht old screen all the time
01.16.13 #       <Neo> same prob
01.16.20 #       <scott666> u sure?
01.16.24 #       <Neo> yes
01.16.33 #       <Neo> how long should i let it charge with the F1
01.16.36 #       <scott666> then try getting new batteries
01.16.38 #       <Neo> ill try it
01.16.45 #       <Neo> how long
01.16.46 #       <scott666> with more mAh preferably
01.16.57 #       <scott666> overnight?
01.17.43 #       <scott666> id say 6-8 hours
01.17.45 #       <scott666> to be sure
01.18.53 #       <Neo> ok
01.19.01 #       <Neo> what about the backlight staying on all that long
01.20.10 #       <scott666> 1, the backlight doesnt take enough power to make a difference in charging
01.20.19 #       <Neo> o
01.20.27 #       <Neo> could it burn out
01.20.30 #       <scott666> 2, you can turn it off
01.20.32 #       <scott666> no
01.20.40 #       <Neo> while charging that way?
01.20.40 #       <scott666> i doubt it anyway
01.20.55 #       <Neo> it wont go off while charging F1
01.21.17 #       <scott666> well it doesnt matter
01.22.14 #       <Neo> can u though?
01.23.26 #       <scott666> i dunno
01.23.31 #       <scott666> but it doesnt make a difference
01.23.50 #       <Neo> ok
01.23.58 #       <Neo> ill let it charge over night
01.24.07 #       <Neo> im actually thinking about going ipod scott
01.25.19 #       <Neo> will i wanto do that?\
01.27.35 #       <scott666> if you have the money and a mac
01.27.39 #       <scott666> and no soul
01.27.40 #       <scott666> lol
01.27.48 #       <Neo> lol
01.27.50 #       <Neo> alright
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01.28.20 #       <Neo> ill let this charge
01.28.35 #       <tpelliott> No Archos will turn off with the charger plugged in (hardware switch in socket).
01.29.29 #       <Neo> it will turn off?
01.29.46 #       <Neo> when its done charging
01.30.23 #       <tpelliott> The charging will turn off, but not the entire unit.
01.30.28 #       <Neo> ooo
01.30.29 #       <Neo> soo
01.30.34 #       <Neo> it will waste the power
01.30.38 #       <Neo> casue it will stop charging
01.30.42 #       <Neo> is that my problem?
01.31.13 #       <Neo> that i let it charge
01.31.22 #       <Neo> but i let it keep going and it wastes the power
01.31.31 #       <tpelliott> Rockbox has a trickle charge to keep the batteries topped off.  Make sure trickle charge is turned on.
01.32.17 #       <Neo> and deep discharge off?
01.35.41 #       <Neo> then do i let it charge with the F1 (old screen) or rockbox's charge
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01.36.26 #       <tracktheripper> hey
01.36.30 #       <Neo> hey
01.36.37 #       <tracktheripper> whats up?
01.36.49 #       <Neo> when trickle charge is on should i charge in the old screen or rockbox's screen
01.37.26 #       <BoD[]> heyloo
01.37.31 #       <tracktheripper> ello
01.37.55 #       <tpelliott> I usually charge with the new Rombox charging screen.
01.38.02 #       <tracktheripper> :D
01.39.35 #       <Neo> rombox looks the same
01.39.41 #       <Neo> am i correct?
01.39.51 #       <tpelliott> If I upgrade my hard drive, I wander if Rombox will see a virgin blank hard drive and enable USB so I can format it  as FAT32 in Windows over USB.
01.40.16 #       <Neo> my rombox looks exactly the same
01.40.30 #       <tpelliott> same as what?
01.40.43 #       <Neo> old rockbox
01.41.17 #       <tpelliott> No charging screen in old Rockbox.
01.41.29 #       <Neo> theres a charging screen in rombox?
01.41.36 #       <Neo> and does anything else look differnt
01.42.15 #       <tpelliott> Do you have a newer daily build of Rombox?
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01.43.08 #       <Neo> no
01.43.11 #       <Neo> how do i do taht
01.43.14 #       <Neo> im new to rombox
01.43.18 #       <Neo> good with old rockbox
01.43.26 #       <tpelliott> Read the message archive.
01.43.29 #       <Neo> new to rombox
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01.58.50 #       <Neo> sorry guys
01.58.53 #       <Neo> got disconnected
01.59.02 #       <Neo> where can i get a daily build for rombox
01.59.05 #       <Neo> or is there
01.59.19 #       <scott666> the daily build page
01.59.32 #       <scott666> downlaod a .ucl file and run rockbox_flash.rock
02.00.47 #       <Neo> o
02.00.58 #       <Neo> do i put the .ucl in my root?
02.01.36 #       <scott666> yup
02.01.55 #       <Neo> ive deleted the flash.rock
02.02.02 #       <Neo> it sais to in the instructions
02.02.10 #       <scott666> no
02.02.13 #       <scott666> theres another file
02.02.18 #       <scott666> called rockbox_flash
02.02.36 #       <Neo> ooo
02.02.39 #       <scott666> if you dont have it download the .rocks off the site
02.02.41 #       <Neo> not firmware flash
02.02.51 #       <Neo> the other 8 kb file
02.02.55 #       <scott666> well it is but only the second image
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02.03.20 #       <Neo> so run rockbox flash?
02.03.25 #       <scott666> yup\
02.03.34 #       <Neo> and all of this in the root?
02.03.55 #       <scott666> it doesnt matter where the .rock is
02.04.07 #       <scott666> but the ucl file should be in the root and named rockbox.ucl
02.04.25 #       <Neo> ok
02.04.36 #       <Neo> and this wwont hurt my rom at all?
02.04.40 #       <Neo> flashing every day?
02.04.40 #       <scott666> no
02.04.50 #       <scott666> unless you flash more than 100,000 times
02.04.54 #       <Neo> haha
02.05.01 #       <Neo> but i flash everyday?
02.05.07 #       <Neo> with the new daily build?
02.05.37 #       <scott666> so youre only good for the next 273 years
02.05.39 #       <scott666> ....darn
02.05.47 #       <Neo> darn?
02.06.01 #       <scott666> *sarcasm&
02.06.02 #       <scott666> *
02.06.23 #       <Neo> o
02.06.24 #       <Neo> ok
02.06.31 #       <Neo> so do u recommend updating everyday
02.06.34 #       <Neo> or like everyothe
02.06.35 #       <Neo> r
02.06.49 #       <scott666> you should look at the change log
02.06.56 #       <scott666> cause if its 0 theres no point
02.06.59 #       <Neo> ok
02.07.12 #       <scott666> but usually theres a new feature or bug fix every day
02.07.31 #       <Neo> do they actually compile a new one everday
02.07.36 #       <Neo> or its made by itself
02.08.10 #       <scott666> the daily builds are made every day at 6
02.08.24 #       <scott666> bleeding edge updates every 20 minutes
02.09.26 #       <Neo> bleeding edge?
02.09.41 #       <scott666> bottom of the daily build page
02.10.02 #       <Neo> wats the point of those
02.10.48 #       <ClosetPacifist> they're more uptodater :D so you can get the features that have been added since the last daily build
02.11.03 #       <Neo> o
02.11.08 #       <Neo> or wait till 6 the next day
02.14.07 #       <Neo> it didnt work
02.14.09 #       <Neo> i did
02.14.13 #       <Neo> F1 to check
02.14.17 #       <Neo> and F2 to program
02.14.25 #       <Neo> and it is stil the old version
02.14.42 #       <Neo> and i got an ATA error -32
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02.18.02 #       <corbell> heh, Hd register errors!
02.18.05 #       <Neo> is that a problem?
02.18.10 #       <Neo> for me
02.18.11 #       <corbell> I do believe so
02.18.19 #       <corbell> SC1 (85) 227
02.18.24 #       <corbell> SN1 (170) 0
02.18.26 #       <Neo> no, i have ATA error -32
02.18.32 #       <corbell> SC2 (170) 18
02.18.38 #       <corbell> SN2 (85) 211
02.18.40 #       <corbell> that's all the output
02.18.44 #       <corbell> doesn't matter if it's plugged in or not
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02.27.59 #       <corbell> heh
02.28.02 #       <corbell> okay, there it goes
02.28.53 #       <corbell> anyone know a good replacement paint for the recorder FM's paint?
02.29.13 #       <corbell> the metallic paint over the metal part of the chassis has almost completely disappeared :P
02.29.22 #       <corbell> across the back panel, at least.
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02.31.30 #       <scott666> you could just take off all of the paint with thinner
02.31.54 #       <corbell> what kind of thinner?
02.31.57 #       <corbell> anything specific?
02.32.10 #       <scott666> no
02.32.14 #       <scott666> i just heard someone did it
02.32.15 #       <scott666> well
02.32.18 #       <scott666> paint thinner
02.32.18 #       <scott666> lol
02.32.43 #       <corbell> I could just make it ugly
02.32.47 #       <corbell> and roll masking tape across it :P
02.33.02 #       <corbell> more comfortable than crappy naked metal
02.33.51 #       <scott666> duct tape!
02.33.54 #       <scott666> lol
02.34.09 #       <corbell> that's like using a sledgehammer to nail in a board :P
02.34.21 #       <scott666> so?
02.34.31 #       <corbell> it's uglier
02.34.34 #       <Neo> am i next in line scott?
02.34.42 #       <scott666> what line?
02.34.45 #       <scott666> line for what?
02.34.47 #       <Neo> for problems
02.34.53 #       <scott666> ummmm
02.34.57 #       <scott666> yes?
02.34.58 #       <Neo> :p
02.35.00 #       <Neo> ok
02.35.01 #       <Neo> a
02.35.06 #       <Neo> are u ready for me?
02.35.15 #       <scott666> sure?
02.35.18 #       <Neo> ok
02.35.22 #       <Neo> i did wat u told me
02.35.25 #       <Neo> the ucl
02.35.27 #       <Neo> everything
02.35.30 #       <scott666> yeah
02.35.36 #       <Neo> and, i get ATA error -32
02.35.39 #       <Neo> after i reboot
02.35.41 #       <Neo> its fine
02.35.47 #       <Neo> now i cant charge anymore though
02.35.59 #       <scott666> i have no idea
02.36.02 #       <Neo> and im at 90
02.36.06 #       <corbell> kickass
02.36.08 #       <Neo> i want to goto 100
02.36.13 #       <corbell> fixed a broken button on my recorder FM
02.36.13 #       <scott666> i have an FMR, i havn had any charging problems
02.36.18 #       <corbell> and I managed to get rid of that thing :P
02.36.21 #       <corbell> that 'issue'
02.36.24 #       <corbell> so all is well
02.36.44 #       <Neo> o
02.36.49 #       <Neo> but u have rombox?
02.37.00 #       <scott666> yeah
02.37.15 #       <scott666> i reflashed today or yesterday, i hanvt had any problems
02.37.21 #       <Neo> hmm
02.37.25 #       <Neo> ok
02.37.30 #       <Neo> do u charge up to 100?
02.37.54 #       <Neo> caue it sais charging mode: not charging
02.38.36 #       <Neo> and im at 91%
02.39.27 #       <Neo> ?
02.41.57 #       <Neo> ?
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02.47.48 #       <Neo> anyone?
02.47.51 #       <Neo> have a fix
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05.56.56 #       <scott666> hey earhurts
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07.34.08 #       <PsycoXul> no, everyone's down
07.39.15 #       <scott666> damn
07.39.17 #       <scott666> heh
07.45.05 #       <PsycoXul> heh
07.45.45 #       <scott666> whats goin on?
07.47.27 #       <PsycoXul> everything, all the time, as usual
07.47.50 #       <scott666> fun
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11.33.23 #       <tracktheripper> morning
11.37.04 #       <scott666> u there track?
11.45.41 #       <tracktheripper> yea
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14.48.33 #       <nevs> hey scott
14.48.59 #       <nevs> anyone here
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14.50.46 #       <nevs> hello
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15.03.41 #       <earHurts> Who's here?
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15.08.49 #       <nevs> is some one here
15.08.58 #       <earHurts> Noooooooo.....
15.08.59 #       <nevs> hello?
15.09.03 #       <nevs> hello
15.09.09 #       <earHurts> only ghoooosts
15.09.14 #       <earHurts> what's up?
15.09.15 #       <nevs> hello
15.09.27 #       <nevs> do u know alot about rock box?
15.10.01 #       <earHurts> I know a little
15.10.06 #       <nevs> how likely is it that when i load rockbox it will lock my hard drive? i dont want to viod my warranty
15.10.56 #       <nevs> ?
15.11.24 #       <earHurts> It is loaded the same way that archos software updates are loaded
15.11.41 #       <earHurts> it is unlikely to lock your drive.
15.11.44 #       <nevs> so if my archos works now it will work with rock box
15.11.53 #       <earHurts> yes
15.12.00 #       <nevs> it better
15.12.16 #       <earHurts> what sort of archos do you have?
15.12.28 #       <nevs> studio 20
15.12.48 #       <earHurts> with the two line screen?
15.13.07 #       <nevs> yes
15.13.21 #       <nevs> archos stuido 20gb
15.13.46 #       <earHurts> so you just follow the install instructions
15.14.03 #       <nevs> yeah
15.14.20 #       <nevs> im charging my player at the moment then when its done ill change firmware to rockbox
15.14.27 #       <nevs> do u have a player?
15.15.06 #       <earHurts> no, an fm recorder
15.16.48 #       <nevs> uhh
15.17.09 #       <earHurts> the rockbox software's a major improvement on the archos
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15.18.14 #       <nevs> yeah
15.19.16 #       <earHurts> do you write C?
15.22.16 #       <nevs> no
15.22.27 #       <nevs> c + + , cant be bothered
15.23.45 #       <earHurts> well, i'm more of a c++ guy too
15.24.06 #       <earHurts> nonetheless, you can hack the source
15.24.23 #       <nevs> yeah
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17.04.58 #       <Neo> hey
17.05.01 #       <Neo> i have 2 probs
17.05.02 #       <earHurts>  hey
17.05.14 #       <Neo> hey
17.05.17 #       <Neo> first problem
17.05.18 #       <earHurts> me too
17.05.26 #       <Neo> it doenst seem my rockbox keeps charge overnigth
17.05.28 #       <earHurts> my gf is returning ny calls
17.05.33 #       <Neo> lol
17.05.47 #       <earHurts> what kind of archos?
17.05.54 #       <Neo> recorder 20
17.06.05 #       <Neo> well, it first doenst charge over 85
17.06.10 #       <Neo> which i read is ok
17.06.16 #       <Neo> annoying, but its supposed to do that
17.06.22 #       <earHurts> it does, but not aggresively
17.06.26 #       <Neo> then i have 100, turn off archos, wake up and i have 70
17.06.40 #       <earHurts> that's the battery code
17.06.52 #       <Neo> its the percentage left
17.07.04 #       <earHurts> it's not always right
17.07.09 #       <Neo> alright
17.07.21 #       <Neo> uh, if i put in my charger over 85
17.07.26 #       <earHurts> do this
17.07.30 #       <Neo> it is charging but slowly, so i wont lose any power?
17.07.32 #       <Neo> ok
17.07.38 #       <earHurts> track the voltage
17.07.42 #       <Neo> how
17.08.00 #       <Neo> on the batter screen it sias charge: not charging
17.08.01 #       <earHurts> menu/debug/view battery/page down
17.08.06 #       <Neo> and 5.27 volts
17.08.08 #       <Neo> ok
17.08.38 #       <Neo> den wat
17.08.40 #       <earHurts> now, that will decrease some overnight, but not too much if it's off
17.08.54 #       <earHurts> see if that does down overnighr
17.09.00 #       <Neo> its 5.23 volts
17.09.24 #       <Neo> if my charger is on
17.09.28 #       <earHurts> ok, turn it off, and check it 8 hours from now
17.09.33 #       <Neo> im not losing any power, right
17.09.35 #       <Neo> alright
17.09.39 #       <Neo> and wat should happen
17.09.55 #       <earHurts> we hope the voltage goes down only a little
17.10.12 #       <Neo> ok
17.10.14 #       <earHurts> in other words, ignore the battery percent
17.10.27 #       <Neo> but wat if its 87 and i want 100 for a trip the next day
17.10.34 #       <Neo> my trickle charge doenst seem to work
17.11.01 #       <earHurts> try turning off trickle charge
17.11.15 #       <Neo> off?
17.11.28 #       <earHurts> there's a setting for it, I believe
17.11.34 #       <Neo> yeh
17.11.36 #       <Neo> its off now
17.11.47 #       <Neo> deep discharge on?
17.11.49 #       <Neo> or off?
17.12.10 #       <earHurts> off
17.12.13 #       <Neo> ok
17.12.14 #       <Neo> so both off
17.12.22 #       <Neo> and it will charge over 85?
17.12.41 #       <earHurts> deep discharge allows the battery to get really low before charging it
17.12.55 #       <Neo> o
17.12.55 #       <earHurts> so as to prevent battery memory problems
17.12.56 #       <Neo> ok
17.13.02 #       <Neo> ok
17.13.06 #       <Neo> well let it charge
17.13.10 #       <earHurts> now, you may get memory probs
17.13.17 #       <Neo> alright
17.13.25 #       <Neo> see, yesturday i went on a trip
17.13.29 #       <Neo> strted with 100
17.13.37 #       <Neo> listened to maybe 30 minutes
17.13.41 #       <Neo> and it was down to 40
17.13.48 #       <Neo> and kept going down the more i listened
17.13.53 #       <earHurts> the percentage can be very misleading
17.14.03 #       <Neo> but i still have actually power?
17.14.08 #       <Neo> why cant it be more accurate?
17.14.09 #       <earHurts> try checking the voltage
17.14.35 #       <Neo> the graph?
17.14.49 #       <earHurts> it's difficult becuase voltage use depends on charge level and user axtions
17.15.11 #       <Neo> wehn u say voltage
17.15.21 #       <Neo> where do u want me to look, the graph?
17.15.42 #       <earHurts> nope
17.15.54 #       <Neo> where
17.15.56 #       <earHurts> go to the graph, the hit the down key
17.16.07 #       <Neo> yeh
17.16.11 #       <Neo> then i get more options
17.16.15 #       <Neo> which one do i look at
17.16.21 #       <earHurts> battery
17.16.33 #       <scott666> (the one with a V after it)
17.16.40 #       <earHurts> yeah
17.16.44 #       <earHurts> V for volts
17.16.44 #       <Neo> alright
17.16.59 #       <Neo> ok
17.17.06 #       <Neo> how will that tell me how much power i have
17.17.13 #       <Neo> its at about 4.46
17.17.20 #       <Neo> now 5.47
17.17.26 #       <earHurts> well, you have a recorder
17.17.33 #       <Neo> eys
17.17.43 #       <earHurts> I don't know when recorders stop
17.17.53 #       <earHurts> fms stop at < 2 volts
17.17.54 #       <Neo> hmm
17.17.55 #       <scott666> what are nimh cells each? 1.4V or something?
17.17.57 #       <Neo> they stop at 85
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17.18.10 #       <Neo> it stops charging at 85
17.18.19 #       <scott666> 85 what?
17.18.20 #       <Neo> i just wanto know when i have 100% power
17.18.22 #       <Neo> and such
17.18.23 #       <earHurts> no, I mean when it shuts down
17.18.27 #       <Neo> 85 %
17.18.35 #       <scott666> no
17.18.47 #       <earHurts> no, I mean when it stops playing and turns itself off
17.19.01 #       <Neo> o
17.19.02 #       <Neo> um
17.19.03 #       <Neo> never?
17.19.06 #       <scott666> when your batteries are run all the way down
17.19.11 #       <Neo> i turn it off
17.19.17 #       <Neo> o, its never run all the way down
17.19.26 #       <earHurts> fms turn themslves off
17.19.27 #       <scott666> the voltage where the batteries cant support the archos anymore
17.19.32 #       <Neo> should i run it all the way down before charging?
17.19.35 #       <earHurts> at < 2 volts
17.19.47 #       <Neo> i just think taht my archos cant keep a good charge
17.19.48 #       <Neo> :(
17.19.50 #       <earHurts> that's what deep discharge does
17.20.14 #       <Neo> i might exchange it for a new one
17.20.17 #       <scott666> youre sure it isnt hte batteries?
17.20.31 #       <scott666> you can just replace the batteries...with better ones
17.20.35 #       <Neo> if its the batteries then ill switch it for a new one
17.20.35 #       <scott666> for < $20
17.20.43 #       <Neo> yeh, i rather get a new one
17.20.50 #       <Neo> i have the warranty still
17.21.01 #       <earHurts> on the fm, it's rare to see the battery % over 80 excwpt immediately after charging
17.21.09 #       <scott666> no it isnt
17.21.10 #       <scott666> lol
17.21.19 #       <earHurts> is for me
17.21.26 #       <Neo> so, ill swap it out, see if its a difference
17.21.38 #       <Neo> my other problem, i cant updgrade today's daily build
17.21.39 #       <scott666> thats what i like about the FM
17.21.43 #       <Neo> it said version mismatch
17.21.47 #       <scott666> all the charging is done internally
17.21.58 #       <earHurts> did you get today's rocks?
17.21.59 #       <scott666> it never has this kinda problem
17.22.09 #       <Neo> and when i do upgrage (like yesturday) i get ata error -32
17.22.13 #       <Neo> but then its fine
17.22.15 #       <scott666> in flash?
17.22.19 #       <Neo> yeh
17.22.26 #       <Neo> does that error mean anything?
17.22.36 #       <earHurts> the ata error happens with flash
17.22.46 #       <earHurts> learn to live with it
17.22.48 #       <Neo> with everyone?
17.23.06 #       <scott666> you need the rockbox_flash.rock from when you last flashed your archos, and then the new .rocks afterwards so you can use them with the newly flashed firmware
17.23.30 #       <Neo> its on my archos already
17.23.39 #       <Neo> ok
17.23.43 #       <Neo> so i need the new ucl
17.23.45 #       <Neo> and the new rocks
17.25.49 #       <scott666> and the old flashrock
17.25.55 #       <Neo> yeh
17.25.57 #       <Neo> same problem
17.26.04 #       <earHurts> the OLD rock?
17.26.07 #       <Neo> incompatable version
17.26.15 #       <Neo> i use rockbox_flash.rock
17.26.36 #       <scott666> you need the compatable versiom of flashrock
17.26.40 #       <Neo> ooo
17.26.43 #       <Neo> where do i get that
17.26.50 #       <scott666> one that can work with the flashed firmware
17.27.13 #       <Neo> where can i get the new .rock
17.27.14 #       <scott666> find out your version and get the rocks for that day
17.27.40 #       <Neo> ok
17.27.41 #       <Neo> yes
17.27.44 #       <Neo> i have the new .ucl
17.27.47 #       <Neo> and the new rock
17.27.47 #       <Neo> s
17.27.49 #       <Neo> then
17.30.19 #       <Neo> ?
17.30.34 #       <earHurts> run the rock?
17.31.18 #       <Neo> the old one?
17.31.25 #       <Neo> the rockbox_flash.rock
17.31.31 #       <Neo> then i get the error
17.32.15 #       <Neo> the
17.32.20 #       <Neo> incompatable version
17.32.42 #       <scott666> then youre (obviously) not using hte right version
17.32.57 #       <scott666> you need the rock from the same day as your build
17.33.10 #       <scott666> and if its different it wont work
17.33.11 #       <Neo> yeh
17.33.15 #       <Neo> where do i ge that
17.33.33 #       <scott666> the daily build page has hte last ~7 days
17.33.39 #       <Neo> yeh
17.33.46 #       <scott666> so find out your version (version screen)
17.33.48 #       <Neo> i can find everything but the new rock
17.33.55 #       <scott666> and download the .rocks for that day
17.34.24 #       <Neo> i did
17.34.34 #       <Neo> is the rock in there?
17.34.37 #       <scott666> unzip them
17.34.46 #       <Neo> ooo
17.34.47 #       <Neo> i see
17.34.49 #       <Neo> it is in there
17.34.53 #       <scott666> *sigh*
17.34.58 #       <Neo> sorry
17.35.08 #       <scott666> lol
17.35.36 #       <scott666> 'what? you mean i have UNZIP the zip file??'
17.35.43 #       <scott666> :-þ
17.35.49 #       <Neo> lol
17.35.50 #       <Neo> no
17.35.56 #       <Neo> i didnt know that the rock was in there
17.35.58 #       <Neo> thats all
17.36.35 #       <Neo> ok
17.36.40 #       <Neo> and i didnt get the error
17.37.02 #       <Neo> now my rockbox sais 100
17.37.05 #       <Neo> its been charging
17.37.13 #       <Neo> should i let it run playing
17.37.25 #       <Neo> and see how long it lasts?
17.37.27 #       <Neo> or wat
17.37.30 #       <Neo> just trust it?
17.39.37 #       <scott666> how longs it been charging?
17.40.16 #       <Neo> not that long
17.40.31 #       <Neo> see, im not sure how long i need to charge it because the numbers are soo screwy
17.40.33 #       <Neo> :p
17.40.49 #       <scott666> thats why its good to charge overnight
17.40.55 #       <scott666> you cant see it saying it says 100
17.41.14 #       <scott666> did you charge with archos or with rockbox?
17.41.32 #       <Neo> rockbox
17.41.42 #       <Neo> but when i charge overnight, it stops at 100
17.41.50 #       <Neo> then starts using the power
17.42.02 #       <Neo> i would like it to turn itself off when its fully done
17.42.13 #       <scott666> you want trickle on
17.43.02 #       <scott666> trickle (almost) constantly charges so the battery stays up
17.43.24 #       <Neo> okok
17.43.43 #       <Neo> but whoever i was talking with told me that i want both things off
17.43.46 #       <scott666> BUT theres a problem with rockbox charging at the moment
17.43.49 #       <scott666> something with the inits
17.43.57 #       <Neo> o
17.43.57 #       <Neo> really?
17.44.07 #       <scott666> so use archos' charger and see what happens
17.44.10 #       <earHurts> that was me. I was probebly wrong about trickle charge
17.44.22 #       <Neo> o
17.44.23 #       <Neo> ok
17.44.31 #       <Neo> but the screen stays on all night
17.44.34 #       <scott666> hold F1 while you plug in the power cord
17.45.02 #       <Neo> i kno
17.45.12 #       <Neo> the backlight stays on
17.45.19 #       <Neo> any way of turning it off?
17.45.42 #       <earHurts> there was, but I think it doesn't work with flash?
17.45.49 #       <Neo> o
17.45.49 #       <Neo> ok
17.45.50 #       <scott666> no but the backlight doesnt take a significant amount of power
17.46.05 #       <earHurts> but it's annoying
17.46.18 #       <scott666> put something over it
17.46.22 #       <scott666> or turn it upside down
17.46.59 #       <Neo> ok
17.47.00 #       <Neo> lol
17.47.05 #       <Neo> yes, it is annoying
17.47.18 #       <Neo> so, over night, upside down, trick charrge on, deep discharge off
17.47.38 #       <scott666> yeah
17.47.57 #       <Neo> ok
17.48.02 #       <scott666> or for atleast 6 hours while youre awake
17.48.08 #       <Neo> awake?
17.48.21 #       <scott666> not overnight
17.48.28 #       <scott666> (assuming you sleep at night)
17.48.30 #       <Neo> u said overnight
17.48.31 #       <Neo> yes
17.48.39 #       <Neo> i should be awak when it charges
17.48.49 #       <scott666> it doesnt matter
17.48.54 #       <Neo> alright
17.49.02 #       <Neo> just wake up after 6 and turn it off
17.49.07 #       <scott666> just let it charge for at least 6 hours
17.49.14 #       <scott666> no
17.49.20 #       <scott666> just let it charge
17.49.28 #       <Neo> ok
17.49.34 #       <Neo> ill let it charge now
17.49.35 #       <scott666> for a minimum of 6 hours
17.49.42 #       <scott666> longer is fine
17.50.02 #       <Neo> hey
17.50.07 #       <Neo> i cant goto the archos charge
17.50.09 #       <Neo> screen
17.50.16 #       <Neo> its at the rockbox charge screen
17.50.16 #       <scott666> why not?
17.50.20 #       <Neo> and wen i press F1
17.50.26 #       <Neo> it just blinks on and off
17.50.29 #       <scott666> unplug it and turn it off
17.50.36 #       <Neo> ok
17.50.38 #       <Neo> then
17.50.40 #       <scott666> hold F1, then plug in the charger
17.50.44 #       <Neo> ok
17.51.05 #       <Neo> will trickle charge effect the archos charge screen?
17.51.22 #       <scott666> i have no idea
17.51.44 #       <Neo> ok
17.51.51 #       <Neo> in other words chek it after 6 hrs
17.52.09 #       <scott666> yeah
17.52.12 #       <Neo> ok
17.52.21 #       <scott666> but you dont need to set an alarm or anything
17.52.22 #       <scott666> lol
17.52.29 #       <Neo> trickle charge only effects rockbox charge screen
17.52.34 #       <scott666> just anywhere after 6 hours will be fine
17.52.47 #       <Neo> but its normal that it wont charge after 85%, right?
17.52.59 #       <scott666> maybe
17.53.03 #       <scott666> whered you hear that?
17.53.11 #       <Neo> on the documentation
17.53.17 #       <scott666> then yes
17.53.31 #       <Neo> that its made so it wouldnt charge over 85 becuse it could overload the batteries or something
17.53.35 #       <Neo> its really annoying
17.53.39 #       * scott666 is soo glad FMRs dont have these kind of problems
17.53.53 #       <Neo> but then if i need it 87-10 ill use the archos charge
17.54.11 #       <scott666> and if archos breaks it theyll fix it
17.54.31 #       <Neo> who?
17.54.39 #       <Neo> archos will fix it
17.54.56 #       <scott666> if their firmware breaks your archos, yes
17.55.06 #       <scott666> but it probably wont
17.55.10 #       <Neo> ok
17.55.19 #       <Neo> and im still parrinoid about my play button
17.55.23 #       <Neo> it wiggles
17.55.24 #       <Neo> urs?
17.57.07 #       <scott666> *doesnt have a rec##)
17.57.19 #       <scott666> i have an FMR
17.57.58 #       <scott666> but the buttons do wiggle a bit
17.58.15 #       <Neo> ok
17.58.17 #       <Neo> how bad
17.58.23 #       <Neo> like a loose tooth?
17.58.26 #       <Neo> lol
17.58.27 #       <Neo> :p
18.04.41 #       <Neo> huh/
18.06.12 #       <scott666> yeah
18.06.14 #       <scott666> sure
18.12.10 #       <Neo> ok
18.12.17 #       <Neo> 1 mor question
18.12.26 #       <Neo> whta if my archos is already almost full
18.12.32 #       <Neo> and i charge it for 6 more hours
18.12.36 #       <Neo> will it do any damage?
18.12.56 #       <Neo> like what if its actually 3/4 full
18.12.58 #       <Neo> doenst say it is
18.13.02 #       <Neo> but it is
18.13.12 #       <Neo> and i charge it for the 6 hrs u say
18.13.22 #       <Neo> will it over load the batteries or anything like tht?
18.20.16 #       <scott666> trickle charge lets it run down until you can charge again, then does it
18.20.24 #       <scott666> so no
18.21.40 #       <Neo> but im now charging with the archos chare screen
18.29.14 #       <Neo> ?
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18.46.01 #       <earHurts> hardeep, what do you know about reading the keys?
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19.27.43 #       <paulheu> Any 'charging specialists' here?
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19.59.51 #       <Bluechip> hi all
20.01.23 #       <Bluechip> still on my endeavour to sort things out here ...I've read back over a rather long conversation, and think I've sussed the problem ...Am I correct when I say "the simulator does not support .rock plugins"?
20.02.07 #       <hardeep> Bluechip: both the win32 and x11 simulators build their own version of .rock files that do work
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20.02.22 #       <hardeep> Bluechip: and can be used for testing
20.02.25 #       <Bluechip> darn! back to square one :(
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20.03.49 #       <Bluechip> think I'll stick to writing for the old version - i can get that to work - if anyone else wants my code they can port it themselves :)
20.04.24 #       <carwash^> Does the rockboxx firmware work with the jukebox 15?
20.04.27 #       <hardeep> Bluechip: it's really not that hard... as i told you yesterday, you need to download one new package for cygwin and you can build them
20.04.34 #       <hardeep> carwash^: yes
20.05.24 #       <carwash^> hardeep: thanks, thats what i thought, but it wasn't stated in the FAQ
20.06.03 #       <Bluechip> hd: yeah - any number of times, perhaps if I could find someone helpful who would send me these files I would have them - but sadly that person does not exist
20.06.24 #       <hardeep> carwash^: it's stated on the front page. :) "Rockbox is an Open Source replacement firmware for the Archos Jukebox 5000, 6000, Studio, Recorder and FM Recorder MP3 players."
20.06.46 #       <hardeep> Bluechip: www.cygwin.com, it's not too difficult to download them
20.07.08 #       <Bluechip> hd: shall we just keep going around in circles whereby you say the same thing, and then I say the same thing back to you?
20.07.27 #       <Bluechip> why is it so horrifically difficult to just send the damn files over?
20.07.35 #       <Bluechip> i shall explain for you again....
20.07.37 #       <carwash^> hardeep: yes, but only the recorder 20 was mentioned in the FAQ, that's why i wondered. Guess i'll just have to go buy myself one now
20.07.39 #       <hardeep> Bluechip: i don't understand what the problem is...  you don't need to use the cygwin installer to download them
20.07.43 #       <Bluechip> the cygwin setup util trashes my machine
20.07.49 #       <Bluechip> i will NOT run it again!
20.07.52 #       <hardeep> Bluechip: then don't use it
20.08.18 #       <hardeep> Bluechip: you just need one package, see the cygwin faq on how to install it without the setup program
20.08.41 #       <Bluechip> your blindingly helpful RTFF also led me no-where, perhpas I should have less to do with my life - let's have this conversation again sometime
20.09.36 #       <Bluechip> Hardeep: i am glad you have no problems - i am soo mind-numbingly happy for you - could you repeat the same answers for me one more time before I get bored
20.10.04 #       <Bluechip> then perhaps you will let someone else give me an answer which actually helps me
20.10.27 #       <Bluechip> RTFF is *not* helpful
20.10.43 #       <Bluechip> i have no idea who told it was, but they were lying to you and you bought it!
20.12.06 #       <Bluechip> Hardeep: so come on then Mr I Know Everything But Aren't Going To Actually Going To Anything But Repeat Myself Endlessly - WHERE are these files - ........or don't you know!?
20.12.24 #       <Bluechip> I bet you don't actually know!
20.12.39 #       <Bluechip> I reckon you're just blagging it Hardeep
20.12.53 #       <Bluechip> I'd be surprised if you even have copies of these files yourself
20.13.06 #       <hardeep> Bluechip: i've never added anyone to my kill file until now
20.13.14 #       <Bluechip> byeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
20.13.31 #       <Bluechip> glad to see the back of mr RTFF
20.14.59 #       <Bluechip> Seems I was right though - LOL
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21.27.11 #       <Bluechip> FYI: Don't seem to able to access rockbox.haxx.se atm.  I have, otherwise, full internet access, so I am ugesing this problem is at the rockbox end   ...just a report
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21.59.33 #       <earHurts> anybody here?
21.59.44 #       <Bluechip> no ;)
22.00.13 #       <earHurts> how's cygwin treating you?
22.00.31 #       <Bluechip> you can probably smell the steam coming from my ears from where you are
22.01.10 #       <earHurts> don't worry mate, I've just been dumped and downsized
22.01.10 #       <Bluechip> I finally hunted down copies of the files that would allegedly fix the problem - and the file to fix the next problem and I am stuck at the next problem
22.01.19 #       <hardeep> earHurts: in answer to your mailing list question: button_get() will block until a button is pressed
22.01.53 #       <earHurts> it's always the next problem
22.02.06 #       <Bluechip> eh: if I recall correctly it is button_get(true) to wait for a keypress
22.02.07 #       <earHurts> hardeep, it's that simple?
22.02.25 #       <Bluechip> i think button_get(false) just get what is waiting
22.02.38 #       <hardeep> earHurts: yep, there is also button_get_w_tmo() if you want to specify a timeout
22.03.07 #       <earHurts> if only there were new_girlfriend and new_job functions that easy
22.03.13 #       <Bluechip> othelo has code which will loop until tmo or keypress
22.03.37 #       <Bluechip> eh: real sorry to hear you crap news dude :(
22.04.32 #       <earHurts> I just offer it to make your cygwin problems seem better
22.04.53 #       <Bluechip> lol - cheers - it worked
22.05.04 #       <earHurts> and she tells me after I've arranged a lovely picnic of organic fruits
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22.05.39 #       <earHurts> ok hardeeps, cheer me up some more: how can I turn the screen off entirely?
22.06.03 #       <Bluechip> you can clear the screen easily enough
22.06.05 #       <hardeep> earHurts: do you mean clear it?
22.06.26 #       <earHurts> no, turn it off.
22.06.32 #       <Bluechip> the lights?
22.06.40 #       <earHurts> the screen
22.07.03 #       <hardeep> earHurts: oh, hmmm, i don't believe anything exists to do that
22.07.11 #       <Bluechip> confused: I don't think you can - but I'm not sure why you would want to?
22.07.14 #       <earHurts> cause power not to flow to it, that sort of thing
22.07.15 #       <hardeep> earHurts: why do you want to shut it off?
22.07.22 #       <Bluechip> ahhhhhh
22.07.39 #       <earHurts> well, ok, I'll just blank it then
22.08.09 #       <earHurts> I wish to do this becuase I discovered something interesting
22.08.16 #       <Bluechip> lcd_clear_display();
22.08.26 #       <earHurts> in the midst of the pathos of my personal life:
22.08.36 #       <Bluechip> ...then you must
22.08.36 #       <Bluechip> lcd_update();
22.08.48 #       <earHurts> when I'm on the battery screen, rather than the wps
22.09.04 #       <earHurts> I get about 1/3 more battery time
22.09.24 #       <earHurts> thus my plan: a "screensaver"
22.09.51 #       <Bluechip> hmmm, i would guess that it would be the maths that cause the power drain rather than the screen
22.10.22 #       <earHurts> and the scrolling and the dB bars
22.10.52 #       <Bluechip> yep, but the maths behins creating that data - rather than the action of maintaining the display
22.11.00 #       <earHurts> so I'll also call, uh, set_scroll_off
22.11.24 #       <earHurts> yes, I assume the maths have to do with it as well.
22.12.13 #       <earHurts> can I putback the button press I get?
22.12.40 #       <earHurts> and anyway, the wps thread isn't the one getting the volume buttons, at least
22.12.49 #       <Bluechip> hmmm, good Q, sadly "don't know" - not tried that before :(
22.13.11 #       <earHurts> as sleeping the wps thread doesn't affect volume
22.37.48 #       <earHurts> how many ticks in a second?
22.38.11 #       <Bluechip> HZ
22.38.22 #       <earHurts> oh right
22.38.27 #       <Bluechip> :)
22.42.01 #       <Bluechip> any idea what this could mean? : /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-mingw32/3.2/dllcrt2.o(.text+0x77):dllcrt1.c: undefined reference to `_pei386_runtime_relocator' 
22.43.20 #       <earHurts> well, it wants to link to something
22.43.50 #       <earHurts> what, precisely, I don't know
22.44.04 #       <earHurts> are you compiling it from a make file?
22.44.32 #       <Bluechip> This is all to do with me trying to fix the rockbox sdk 
22.44.59 #       <Bluechip> it just doesn't compile the code any more
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23.22.09 #       <tpelliott> I tried the playlist viewer and I love it!  I think the quick access key would be great to view the current playlist (dynamic or regular).
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23.31.33 #       <hardeep> tpelliott: by regular playlist do you mean one that isn't currently playing (a .m3u file) ?
23.32.25 #       <tpelliott> No.  If I play an m3u file, is it copied to the dynamic playlist right away?
23.32.45 #       <tpelliott> or just when I add stuff to it?
23.32.58 #       <hardeep> tpelliott: oh, yes, that's now considered the dynamic playlist
23.33.41 #       <hardeep> tpelliott: i've been using the term poorly... dynamic playlist = current playling playlist
23.33.50 #       <hardeep> s/playling/playing
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23.34.25 #       <tpelliott> ok.  You should get rid of the word "dynamic" since all playlists are dynamic.  Just explain that when you update the docs.
23.34.45 #       <tpelliott> Great work, btw.
23.35.11 #       <hardeep> tpelliott: yeah, maybe replace with "current"
23.35.31 #       <hardeep> tpelliott: i want to distinguish between the current playing playlist and an .m3u file on disk
23.36.36 #       <tpelliott> An m3u is copied to "playlist control" as soon as it's played?
23.37.05 #       <hardeep> tpelliott: not copied, but the filename is stored in the control file
23.38.15 #       <tpelliott> You mean as in "file.m3u, file1.mp3, file2.mp3, etc" in a list?
23.39.34 #       <hardeep> tpelliott: just the .m3u filename.... we retrieve the tracknames directly from the mru file
23.39.41 #       <hardeep> er m3u
23.42.40 #       <tpelliott> ok.  That's why we have to write a new file when saving the dynamic playlist.
23.43.19 #       <hardeep> tpelliott: yes.  i'm not modifying the original m3u file in any way
23.45.09 #       <tpelliott> Cool.  Would it be hard to add the ability to view any .m3u to your viewer?
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23.46.58 #       <hardeep> tpelliott: yeah, since I rely on the dynamic playlist mechanism.  Viewing an m3u file will probably be implemented as a standalone plugin
23.49.34 #       <tpelliott> I'm sure someone will make a playlist viewer plugin.