--- Log for 08.08.103 Server: niven.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16p1 Started: 2 days and 16 hours ago 00.00.34 # Santa Monica 00.00.45 # and we also went to san fransisco and las vegas :) 00.01.35 # ah... I just got back from Las Vegas last week (bachelor party) 00.01.44 # I love San Fransisco too. 00.01.55 # I dont think much about Santa Monica. 00.02.19 # venice beach 00.03.23 # that is a fun area to visit. 00.03.33 # I would not want to live there, it is too dirty 00.03.40 # it is good for people watching though 00.04.36 # héhé :) right 00.04.49 # what's the weather like in NY ? 00.04.56 # HUMID! 00.05.03 # it is only about 80F but soo humid 00.05.07 # and it has rained all week 00.05.15 # rain !! but it's summer 00.13.02 Ctcp Ignored 5 channel CTCP requests in 1 hour and 27 minutes at the last flood 00.13.02 # * PsycoXul has sad news 00.13.14 # they didn't have any more archos' at bestbuy 00.13.22 # so i ended up with a nomad jukebox zen :/ 00.13.31 # isn't it good ? 00.13.40 # it doesn't seem bad at all, but i'll still miss rockbox 00.13.50 # is it 60g ? 00.13.52 # PsycoXul: were you in a hurry? 00.14.03 # no it's 20G 00.14.37 # is the firmware good ? :) like .. to they have id3 database thingy like ipods 00.15.39 # Zagor: not so much in a hurry, but somewhat impatient, not wanting to drive to another town's bestbuy, and honestly the FM rec's construction disappointed me anyway, and that's all they seem to have left at the stores around here (and the one closest to us don't have them at all anymore) 00.16.36 # BoD[]: it doesn't seem bad.. from what i read it's the same as the other nomad jukebox's... has a bunch of search and categorization features that i'll probably not put to much use :p 00.17.19 # ok 00.19.05 # hardware wise it seems to have potential... it plays mp3, wma, and wav, so maybe it's potentially ogg-capable 00.19.46 # plus it has some fairly fancing processing, including 4-band EQ and several presets for it, environmental effects, and time-scaling 00.20.02 # have you opened it yet? ;) 00.20.04 # i like this 00.20.07 # nice blue EL backlight heh 00.20.12 # Zagor: opened the unit? no 00.20.21 # thats one big thing i'm wondering about though 00.20.36 # i have no idea about how feasible HD upgrades are on it 00.20.59 # well, older creative jukeboxes used a custom file system... 00.21.40 # oh yeah.. i think this uses the same.. i guess that does pose a problem 00.22.23 # another weird thing is that it apparently has recording capabilities, but you need an optional add-on that's like a remote, mic, and FM tuner all in one to do it 00.22.37 # and it plugs into some weird little slot-shaped jack next to the headphone jack 00.23.13 # that kinda bugs me, but i'm thinking it could be hax0red 00.23.50 # why would the custom file system be a problem 00.23.54 # yeah, but probably not without examining the add-on first... 00.24.31 # well the slot jack has 4 contacts 00.24.53 # some part of it's probably pretty much just a line-in 00.25.03 # true 00.26.25 # the recording's accessed from a menu item 00.26.43 # you select it and it says to plug the remote thing in for a second, and then goes to a basic recording screen 00.26.52 # with meters and such 00.27.11 # so i could probably just try the contacts and watch those meters and find it 00.29.41 # yeah 00.30.05 # my first impression is that HW-wise it's superiour to the archos... but the firmware does seem to have some of the characteristic silly limitations 00.30.37 # like the backlight timeout.. you can select 3, 5, 15, etc from a dropdown menu... heh 00.31.15 # :))) 00.31.25 # that's not for the power user 00.32.23 # oh yeah since they have a 20GB and a 60GB version, i'd assume it's made to where they can easily put either in durring the assembly... so that gives me hope of upgradability 00.32.28 # contact creative and ask if they would like to publish their hardware specs to the rockbox project :) 00.32.35 # it's also got 16MB of ram 00.32.36 # hehe 00.33.16 # do you know have an idea of the processors inside ? 00.33.19 # after i familiarize myself with it's operation and am secure in it's non-defectiveness, i'll probably tear it open, see how hard it'll be to upgrade, take pics of all the boards, etc 00.33.49 # on the outside it's just got 7 little phillips screws 00.33.58 # and no warranty void stickers 00.33.59 # heh 00.34.28 # wee :) 00.37.42 # apparently it uses all the same file transfer stuffs as the older nomad jukebox's, which have already been all reverse engineered and implimented in a handfull of different projects 00.40.46 # this might be cool and fun... but in the meantime, i must sleep 00.40.51 # i'm up waaay past my bedtime 00.41.04 # and tomorrow i'll be getting my sennheiser hd-280pro headphones 00.41.51 Join keno [0] (trilluser@80.178.36.113.forward.012.net.il) 00.42.22 Part keno 00.42.58 # 8 buttons plus a clickable jogwheel too, so it totals 11 inputs, 2 of which are repeatable at variable speed from one at a time to really fast heh 00.43.09 # anyway, night 00.44.47 # see you :) 01.04.53 Quit mecraw ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)") 01.10.56 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.21.12 Join tracktheripper [0] (jirc@ACBDF1B2.ipt.aol.com) 01.44.56 # hi 01.45.01 # hey 01.45.09 # hi Scott 01.46.03 # www.xgamestation.com 01.47.35 # how fast is the processor in the archos? 01.47.50 # 12Mhz 01.48.10 # anyone here with a hitachi DK23DA drive? 01.48.16 # me 01.48.47 # do you have the red led dead problem? 01.49.16 # yes 01.49.20 # happened to me a few times 01.50.23 # scott666: someone should try this: http://www-3.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/MIGR-43349.html 01.50.44 # it's a firmware update for those hitachi disks 01.50.52 # ok 01.51.21 # hows it work/ 01.51.35 # you need to remove the drive and put it in a computer 01.51.39 # you need a thinkpad 01.51.46 # Plugh: are you sure? 01.52.13 # unless IBM has made changes in the past 10 years, I'm sure 01.52.15 # scott666: which firmware version do you have? (debug->disk info, right) 01.52.18 Quit tracktheripper ("Leaving") 01.52.23 # The supported models are as follows: 01.52.23 # - ThinkPad R31 01.52.24 # but I don't count on IBM to make changes 01.52.31 # it's still worth trying 01.52.57 # zagor: hold on, ill check 01.53.11 # here's the same thing from dell: http://support.dell.com/filelib/download.aspx?FileID=51876&ReleaseID=R43169 01.53.22 # 00j2a0a1 01.53.38 # or here for the html page: http://support.dell.com/FileLib/Format.aspx?ReleaseID=R43169 01.53.44 # oh, that fixes the click? 01.53.46 # cool 01.53.55 # I'd love to disable that silly click 01.55.00 # i have firmware 00J2A0A1 01.55.06 # ok 01.55.30 # the update is A0B6 01.55.39 # um, no 01.56.00 # "A0F3 for Hitachi 20GB DK23DA-20" 01.56.19 # lovely version numbering :) 01.56.47 # its in hex 01.56.48 # no wait 01.56.50 # theres a J 01.57.02 # we should see if we can dump the patch directly to the drive through the Archos 01.57.04 # ;) 01.57.19 # whoa :) 01.57.20 # would it be possible ? 01.57.29 # yes 01.57.29 # yeah! lets make a plugin 01.57.47 # * Plugh instigates 01.57.49 # how does a hard drive firmware patch work ? 01.58.16 # you put it on a floppy and boot from it i think 01.58.25 # there are ata commands to upload new firmware to the drive 01.58.34 # oh ok :) 01.59.04 # it would be fun to have this plugin 01.59.16 # drive patcher? 01.59.22 # yeah, that'd rock 01.59.26 # rockbox the firmware that FIXES your drive :)) 01.59.56 # the problem with it being a plugin is the 32k limit 02.00.10 # oh 02.00.13 # I figure it's probably bigger than that 02.00.33 # yeah 02.00.37 # almost 700k 02.00.41 # you'd have to find a way to stream data from a file to the ATA bus 02.01.00 # well the plugin needs a file 02.01.07 # not that a big problem :) 02.01.13 # or perhaps even load it into the device RAM 02.01.32 # then cut the connection to the drive and patch it 02.01.59 # yeah you just have to make it make sure theres no music playing 02.07.13 # is that the silence of people in serious thought? 02.07.26 # or did everyone just lose interest 02.08.58 # i lost interest 02.09.01 # ;) 02.10.41 # figures 02.11.06 Part scott666 02.16.48 Join scott666 [0] (scott666@c-24-245-71-45.mn.client2.attbi.com) 02.20.50 # (far beoyond) bed time 02.20.53 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 02.26.02 # I have about 8 chats going on at any one time. Didn't lose interest. Just got sucked into another window 02.26.48 # heh 02.27.39 # so, who thinks we can give people a hard drive patcher for their rockbox? :) 02.29.33 # i do! 02.29.58 # ya know... 02.30.16 # we could do it as a replacement OS 02.30.48 # who says it has to be a plugin? 02.31.10 # thats the easiest way 02.31.37 # easier to barebone a firmware image 02.32.14 # copy it to the drive, boot it to patch, then plug it into the USB and put the right firmware in 02.32.23 # that way it doesn't get used accidentally 03.08.56 Join hardeep [0] (1098@208.247.65.237) 03.10.59 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.17.38 Join keno [0] (trilluser@80.178.36.113.forward.012.net.il) 03.26.43 # hardeep, you missed our fun conversation :) 03.27.22 # there's a patch from Hitachi for the hard drive clicking 03.27.50 Join diddystar5 [0] (Lee@ACA3EE89.ipt.aol.com) 03.28.40 # hardeep: would you add the calendar with memos v5 to cvs please? 03.31.34 Quit earHurts (Remote closed the connection) 03.32.19 # I was trying to come up with a way to patch in Hitachi's code without having users pull the drive out and put it in a computer 03.32.27 # the patch is around 770k 03.35.27 # umm what is your patch for? 03.36.25 # the harddrive 03.36.31 Quit diddystar5 ("Gotta Go!") 03.36.42 # and its 660k 03.36.47 Join diddystar5 [0] (Lee@ACA3EE89.ipt.aol.com) 03.37.00 # aol, figures 03.37.05 # :-ţ 03.37.25 # hehe i'm not the one that wants aol my dad does 03.37.40 # poor bastard 03.38.23 # i know aol sucks donkey pooh 03.42.01 Quit scott666 ("i'll be back...eventually...") 03.42.04 # i must have magic fingers 03.42.21 # ooh! Put em on my back. I need a massage 03.42.24 # 4 hrs solid playing and the earphone hasnt messed up yet 03.42.52 # not bad for a first time solder job, using a soldering iron that looks like it last saw action in the early 80s 03.43.07 # woot 03.43.29 # I haven't done much soldering since the late 80s 03.43.36 # i may give it a clean actually 03.43.42 # the tip looked fairly knackered 03.43.59 # but I used to be able to solder a patch wire to a surface mounted chip without too much effort 03.44.05 # the only bit that got hot was the side of the tip where i scraped some decade old solder off the side 03.44.14 # hehe 03.44.24 # i found it really disconcerting when the solder gave off smoke too :) 03.44.42 # i kept having to stop, boot up the unit just to reassure myself i hadnt killed it 03.45.33 # :) 03.45.39 Join diddystar5_ [0] (diddystar5@ACA43F4F.ipt.aol.com) 03.45.43 # don't solder on a device with the batteries in 03.45.49 # that's asking for pain 03.45.57 # :) ouch 03.47.08 # well 03.47.11 # not much option 03.47.25 # the batteries are fully wedged in until you free the solder points 03.47.37 # ahh 03.47.48 # then they pretty much drop out :) 03.47.49 # FMR? 03.47.59 # yep 03.48.08 # yeah. silly design 03.48.57 # i actually prefer it to the recorder 03.49.21 # except for when you knock it/breathe on it, the battery clip flies off the end 03.55.19 # thanks for the calendar change hardeep! 03.56.31 # Huw Smith is the guy to thank 03.57.42 # huw isn't here :( but you commited it to cvs ;) 04.00.01 Quit diddystar5 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.00.29 Nick diddystar5_ is now known as diddystar5 (diddystar5@ACA43F4F.ipt.aol.com) 04.06.13 Join thu [0] (~thu@h24-87-64-169.vc.shawcable.net) 04.09.58 # gotta go 04.10.02 Part diddystar5 ("Client exiting") 04.13.04 Quit Galik ("Client exiting") 04.18.59 Quit dw|gone (niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.18.59 NSplit niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 04.18.59 Quit PsycoXul (niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.18.59 Quit keno (niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.18.59 Quit BoD[] (niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.18.59 Quit elinenbe (niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04.19.42 NHeal niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 04.19.42 NJoin keno [0] (trilluser@80.178.36.113.forward.012.net.il) 04.19.42 NJoin BoD[] [0] (~BoD@m33.net81-67-42.noos.fr) 04.19.42 NJoin elinenbe [0] (elinenbe_@user-0cev103.cable.mindspring.com) 04.19.49 NJoin dw|gone [20] (dwihno@h193180246067.kommunicera.umea.se) 04.19.49 NJoin PsycoXul [20] (psyco@adsl-63-205-41-140.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) 04.59.54 Quit BoD[] ("dodo") 05.03.11 Quit hardeep ("[BX] Tabardation - the inability to master use of the key. See: retardation; Headcase.") 05.09.27 Quit keno (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.11.00 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.16.40 Join scott666 [0] (scott666@c-24-245-71-45.mn.client2.attbi.com) 05.27.55 Join rhyno666 [0] (scott666@c-24-245-71-45.mn.client2.attbi.com) 05.29.38 # feeling schizophrenic scott? 05.37.15 Join midknight2k3 [0] (LaLaLaLaLa@ACAF81CE.ipt.aol.com) 05.37.27 # ok 05.37.37 # who is it who said something about office space? 05.47.00 # plugh 05.47.14 # you can't make the disk firmware patch into a firmware itself 05.47.23 # archos supports only to 200kb and it's over 700 05.47.56 >>> "seen" used by midknight2k3 (LaLaLaLaLa@ACAF81CE.ipt.aol.com) [snoop prevented] 05.50.38 # i found an article on upgrading the HD of nomad zen's http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,1186827,00.asp 05.50.49 # cool 05.51.17 Quit scott666 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.51.36 # apparently their "filesystem" is more sortof just a method of storing the data and not so much a filesystem in the traditional sense 05.51.49 # one you upgrade the drive, you just re-install the firmware and start transferring your files 05.51.52 # heh 05.51.55 # lol 05.51.57 # no formatting or anything 05.52.02 # that's nice to kniw 05.52.06 # know 05.52.14 # i remember that first day i came in here 05.52.19 # "I have a question." 05.52.38 # If you have a question, ask it. Don't state it. 05.52.46 # hehe 05.53.04 # you lucky 05.53.05 # at least i don't have to talk to you often :) 05.53.10 # lucky? 05.53.11 # i? 05.53.13 # how? 05.53.15 # i might've just told you to hang on to it, keep it in a bottle 05.53.20 # lol 05.53.33 # with a warning of how if you don't keep an eye on it, you might wake up one day and find it gone with nothing left but an answer 05.54.09 # i would have cried and never looked at rockbox again 05.54.12 # hehe 05.54.16 # to afraid of the hard drive password lock thing 05.55.08 # heh a google search for the terms creative zen hack returns some pretty mixed results 05.55.18 # actualy hack OR hacks OR hacking 05.55.19 # heh 05.55.27 # so does "smashing a computer monitor" :\ 05.56.04 # heh 05.56.19 # i did get a good video 05.56.24 # someone shooting it with a rifle 05.56.32 # and another blowtorching it 05.56.34 # heh 05.56.36 # but that's all really 05.58.20 # so who hears of this drive firmware upgrade? 05.58.27 # i blew it lol 05.58.33 # hmm 05.58.37 # heh 05.58.55 # the neighbors had this old computer by the trash and i wanted to sneak over at night and snag the hard drive 05.58.58 # the next day it's gone 05.59.09 # it would have been great to throw off the roof 05.59.42 # heh 06.00.00 # so uh this firmware thing 06.00.07 # it stops the hard drive clicks? 06.02.35 # heh the shutdown takes longer than the startup on this thing 06.02.44 # what thing? 06.02.49 # the zen 06.02.57 # you got the ZEN? 06.03.07 # you're kidding me 06.03.09 # no more rockbox? 06.03.25 # unless i guess you leave it shutoff for more than 24 hours.. apparently it goes into a sorta standby mode for 24 hours, so it starts up instantly within 24 hours of being shutoff 06.03.30 # yeah :/ 06.03.33 # they didn't have anything else 06.03.42 # that's junk 06.03.49 # WHAT IF I HAVE TO? 06.03.52 # when mine dies? 06.03.55 # actualy so far it seems pretty good 06.03.56 # i shudder to think... 06.03.58 # but 06.04.01 # it needs a rockbox 06.04.01 # no more rockbox.. 06.04.04 # yes 06.04.06 # i agree 06.04.08 # but as far as hardware goes it seems better than the archos 06.04.15 # really 06.04.17 # tell me about it 06.04.38 # well it supports mp3, wma, and wav, which gives me hope for the possibility of ogg 06.04.51 # you want ogg? 06.04.58 # indeed 06.05.04 # ogg>* 06.05.14 # well ogg isn't much in and of itself actualy 06.05.17 # but vorbis>* 06.05.17 # heh 06.05.22 # lol 06.05.31 # there firmware update? 06.05.36 # i see none 06.05.40 # it also has some fancy processing capabilities 06.05.45 # yes, there is 06.05.46 # like what? 06.05.48 # where? 06.05.56 # processing: what, firmware:where? 06.05.58 # :) 06.06.18 # well it has time-scaling, 4-band EQ, and environmental effects (simulate various halls and rooms and such) 06.06.28 # cool 06.06.33 # wheres the firmware thing 06.07.04 # www.nomadworld.com 06.07.36 # does it record? 06.07.47 # well 06.07.48 # it can 06.07.56 # but you supposedly need an accessory to do it 06.08.09 # that plugs into this little 4-contact slot-shaped jack next to the headphone jack 06.08.26 # junky 06.08.32 # whats the options? 06.08.33 # bitrate? 06.08.35 # i'm gonna try to find which contacts maybe act as the line-in 06.08.40 # and what else for settings 06.09.02 Join littleteapot|afk [0] (~abigger@CPE0080c6fd6d37-CM000039345c5b.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 06.09.11 # thats the other thing that seems kinda crappy is that what i saw for recording is just 16 or 22khz mono or stereo wav heh 06.09.21 Part littleteapot|afk 06.09.28 # what is that lol 06.09.32 # no bitrate? 06.09.36 # wav 06.09.44 # the ihp-100 can do 320kbps mp3 or wav recording 06.09.51 # i.e uncompressed 06.09.52 # i want that crack badly 06.10.04 # (crack meaning product) 06.10.10 # just do you don't get any ideas 06.10.10 # lol 06.10.13 # i'd be suprised if it's really incapable of encoding though, but you never know 06.10.14 # heh 06.10.37 # yeah 06.11.48 # man though i wish there was a rockbox for everything 06.12.01 # hehe 06.12.16 # such as the rio riot it BADLY needs it 06.20.19 # GRR 06.20.27 # earHurts i hope he comes soon 06.21.11 # mmm can't wait till my order comes in 06.21.20 # me too 06.21.31 # what order 06.21.46 # 500' cat5e, keystone wallplates, a/v cables to run my computer to the TV 06.21.48 # and 06.21.59 # hehe 06.22.04 # really? 06.22.07 # a 6' USB a to mini b that the ends light blue when it's powered 06.22.15 # lol 06.22.18 # WOW 06.22.19 # heh 06.22.21 # what a neat site 06.22.21 # for my rockbox 06.22.22 # http://lap.umd.edu/computer_rage/ 06.22.46 # mine's just a pair of sennheiser hd-280pro headphones that'll be getting here tomorrow 06.22.49 # i need another 3 pcs 06.23.04 # one video server to stream video around the house 06.23.18 # one video encoder to record and encode tv 06.23.32 # midknight2k3: see look at that 06.23.38 # midknight2k3: microsoft is giving computers a bad name 06.23.45 # hey 06.23.48 # its not their fault 06.23.50 # one video player to display and output media 06.23.52 # yes it is 06.23.53 # linux can run on a toaster 06.23.56 # heh 06.24.09 # yeah... what about it? 06.24.13 # so can Java 06.24.14 # er 06.24.23 # java is designed to run on toasters 06.24.28 # yeah I know 06.24.35 # crazy shit 06.24.49 # company I work for is all java shop 06.24.59 # i love java 06.25.06 # SHUSHH 06.25.30 # wow 06.25.36 # wish i did nick that hard drive 06.25.37 # http://lap.umd.edu/computer_rage/broiled.html 06.25.40 # we have an app for processing genomic expression data 06.26.59 # http://lap.umd.edu/computer_rage/mousetrap.html 06.27.00 # lol 06.29.49 # -rw-r--r-- 1 psyco users 905216 Mar 11 14:10 Zen(USB2.0)Upgrade_1_01_01.exe 06.30.03 # it's not a zip or a cab and it does nothing run in winex 06.30.03 # heh 06.30.25 # so it seems their firmware upgrade process is somewhat obfuscated 06.30.38 # OBfUSHIATED? 06.31.20 # you know, made so that it's difficult to get to, see, and understand or whatever 06.31.44 # ub fu shi ated 06.33.18 # lol 06.33.30 # some guy went after his compaq with a baseball bat 06.33.45 # but since it's usb protocol has been reverse engineered and implimented in a handful of projects, i'm thinking i can find some way to scrutinize the firmware heh 06.34.04 # scrutinize the firmware eh lol 06.34.05 # WAIT 06.34.06 # HALT 06.34.07 DBUG Enqueued KICK midknight2k3 06.34.07 # STOP 06.34.09 # WAIT 06.34.10 # SILENCE 06.34.28 # if you have a bin file is it simple to write a replacement? 06.34.30 # huh? 06.34.46 # never mind 06.35.54 # no 06.35.56 # not simple :p 06.36.08 # is that what rockbox did? 06.36.12 # yep 06.36.15 # it's enabling 06.36.18 # but not simple 06.36.18 # heh 06.36.30 # so.. 06.36.39 # rockbox started with a bin file? 06.36.43 # ahh i remember the early days of rockbox 06.37.01 # they figured out how to descramble the mod file 06.37.24 # and then disassembled it and worked their voodoo 06.37.42 # and wrote a re-scrambler 06.37.44 # dude! im busy here 06.37.50 # and before long there was a new firmware up to try 06.37.56 # "how to smash tv tubes" 06.37.56 # a happy fun LED BLINKER 06.38.04 # http://www.zyra.org.uk/tvtube2.htm 06.38.12 # i broke a TV once 06.38.21 # really? 06.38.23 # was it fun? 06.38.26 # i was probably like 11 06.38.28 #