--- Log for 14.08.103 Server: calvino.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16p1 Started: 13 hours and 4 minutes ago 00.00.16 # ive been through all the requests everything seems covered 00.00.29 # what? 00.00.38 # can you code? 00.00.52 # no but I may work on some fonts 00.01.14 # can you pot over Verdana to rockbox? 00.01.20 # no 00.01.39 Quit Empeethree ("Leaving") 00.01.48 Join Empeethree [0] (jirc@ACB9EE15.ipt.aol.com) 00.02.02 # sorry clicked the X by mistake 00.02.45 Join Dyne [0] (jirc@209-122-68-195.c3-0.atw-ubr1.atw.pa.cable.rcn.com) 00.03.09 # Hey guys, I just wanted to say Keep up the good work with the firmware for the recorder..... 00.03.36 # I'm sure Zagor is very welcome :) 00.04.02 Join BoD[] [0] (~BoD@m33.net81-67-42.noos.fr) 00.04.14 # =) 00.04.15 # yo 00.04.15 # oh yea ive heard of him 00.04.24 # hey bod 00.05.13 # One thing I wanted to ask about though, Is There a way I can stiffen the buttons...they are a little loose... 00.05.29 # not really, Dyne 00.05.34 # they're just like that 00.05.48 # a bit of Blu Tack may help 00.05.54 # I mean My on and Off buttons wiggle left and right really badly... 00.05.59 # yeah 00.06.02 # mine did too 00.06.06 # and they randomly get pressed as well 00.06.08 # can't really fix it 00.06.19 # get some blue-tack 00.06.44 # I guess I need to void the warranty now.. ;o) 00.06.58 # bluetack? 00.07.25 # Can the Player have fonts as long as the letters fit within the character matrix? 00.07.49 # no, emeethreee 00.07.52 # oops 00.07.53 # sorry 00.07.57 # empeethree 00.08.02 # oh ok 00.08.03 # tricky nickname 00.08.20 # just call me MP3 for short 00.08.29 # ok 00.09.46 # who the hell is this track guy?? 00.09.52 # he has sent a truckload of requests 00.10.10 # tracktheripper? 00.10.13 # hahaha 00.10.16 # bogus requests 00.10.18 # yea summat like that 00.10.27 # some of them are very amusing 00.10.39 # some of the better ones are "put an end to the iraqi crisis" "sdd" "tea maker" and "mpeg viewer" 00.10.47 # oh yeah 00.10.48 # oh ok 00.10.50 # when he comes in 00.10.54 # ask him 00.10.58 # to show you funny requests 00.11.02 # he is happy to 00.11.08 # they're hilarious someof them 00.11.49 Join tracktheripper [0] (jirc@ACB9EE15.ipt.aol.com) 00.12.38 # hello 00.12.51 # wait a second. 00.12.53 Quit Dyne (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.13.06 # YOU LITTLE. 00.13.32 # yo-- it--- AR-- sh-- gd---! 00.13.42 # I HATE YOU 00.13.58 # hey calm down midknight2k3 00.14.18 # hey tracktheripper 00.14.26 # Empeethree is jirc@ACB9EE15.ipt.aol.com * JPilot jIRC applet User 00.14.27 # Empeethree on #rockbox 00.14.27 # Empeethree using irc.freenode.net http://freenode.net/ 00.14.27 DBUG Enqueued KICK midknight2k3 00.14.27 # Empeethree has been idle 2mins 10secs, signed on Wed Aug 13 14:55:49 00.14.27 # Empeethree End of /WHOIS list. 00.14.27 *** Alert Mode level 1 00.14.27 # - 00.14.28 # hello mid 00.14.29 # tracktheripper is jirc@ACB9EE15.ipt.aol.com * JPilot jIRC applet User 00.14.31 # tracktheripper on #rockbox 00.14.33 # tracktheripper using irc.freenode.net http://freenode.net/ 00.14.35 # tracktheripper has been idle 31secs, signed on Wed Aug 13 15:05:50 00.14.37 # tracktheripper End of /WHOIS list 00.14.39 # Empeethree is jirc@ACB9EE15.ipt.aol.com * JPilot jIRC applet User 00.14.43 # tracktheripper is jirc@ACB9EE15.ipt.aol.com * JPilot jIRC applet 00.14.51 # jirc@ACB9EE15.ipt.aol.com 00.15.35 # anyway hardeep ill look at the font section 00.15.58 # not a good idea, trackie 00.16.09 # why not 00.16.27 # will you want the redzone? 00.16.28 # I like the idea of a digital font 00.16.38 # yea please mid 00.16.44 # say it 00.17.08 # ??? 00.17.12 # yes please mid 00.17.20 # say that you want the redzone 00.17.31 # say that youll like having the redzone 00.17.48 # I like having the redzoney 00.18.03 # whats happening? 00.18.41 # the redzone is delayed is all 00.18.45 # very delayed 00.18.52 # oh okk 00.19.02 # anyway midknight pleased to meet you 00.19.39 # right 00.19.44 # pleased to meet tracktheripper"? 00.19.46 # why? 00.19.48 # I' 00.19.53 # don't really know him 00.19.54 # I've met you before 00.19.57 # like i said im new here 00.20.59 Quit tracktheripper ("Leaving") 00.21.05 Quit TotMacher (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.21.22 # empeethree 00.21.25 # now look what u done u frightened him off 00.21.32 # can you please stop playing games and come back as track? 00.21.38 # now look what you done 00.21.40 # you left 00.22.45 # I unfortunatly have a Player 00.22.46 # :-( 00.22.53 # sure 00.23.01 # tell me this empeethree 00.23.16 # when it boots up do you see a rockbox logo or just letters? 00.23.24 # rockbox logo 00.23.34 # sorry sir 00.23.37 # you are track 00.23.41 # it is only letters that show up 00.23.52 # i know i was just kidding you 00.24.03 # ok 00.24.05 # how about this 00.24.10 # credits 00.24.14 # do they scroll or jump? 00.24.28 *** Alert Mode OFF 00.24.30 # they jump 00.24.57 # ok 00.25.02 # and how about the battery meter? 00.25.09 # steps or single? 00.25.13 # steps 00.25.59 # what are the options for auto volume? 00.26.11 Join Zagor [0] (jirc@ACB9EE15.ipt.aol.com) 00.26.26 # zagor do not be fooled 00.26.27 # none on the Player 00.26.38 # empeethree is tracktheripper 00.26.44 # bass boost? 00.27.13 # none 00.27.14 Nick thu_ is now known as thu (~thu@h24-87-64-169.vc.shawcable.net) 00.28.33 Join Bagder [0] (jirc@ACB9EE15.ipt.aol.com) 00.29.04 # OHO 00.29.06 # you fool me again 00.29.21 # TELL ME THIS. 00.29.27 # never mind 00.29.30 # i giv eup 00.29.36 # i hate tracktheripper now 00.30.05 Join LinusN [0] (jirc@ACB9EE15.ipt.aol.com) 00.30.05 *** Alert Mode level 1 00.30.05 DBUG Enqueued KICK Empeethree 00.30.05 DBUG Enqueued KICK Zagor 00.30.05 *** Alert Mode level 2 00.30.05 DBUG Enqueued KICK Bagder 00.30.05 DBUG Enqueued KICK LinusN 00.30.05 *** Alert Mode level 3 00.30.06 Quit LinusN (Client Quit) 00.30.11 Quit Bagder (Client Quit) 00.30.13 Quit Zagor (Client Quit) 00.30.16 # dammit track 00.30.18 # stop 00.30.30 # don't steal other people's nicks 00.30.46 # Zagor was never here and people this he was 00.30.53 # i should have you banned for this 00.31.48 # anyway wiv reference to the Player 00.31.54 # it can't display a peak meter 00.32.07 # anyway wiv hate to tracktheripper 00.32.14 # anyone with half a brain knows that 00.33.31 # where u from mid? 00.33.33 # i so want to punch in your face right now 00.35.07 # calm down 00.35.16 # yes great idea 00.35.20 # i will leave for a bit 00.36.35 # sorry mid 00.36.40 # im trying to shake off something 00.36.52 # what is that? 00.36.57 # image 00.36.58 # of 00.37.00 # ttr 00.37.18 # tell me why please? 00.37.31 # because 00.37.34 # just because 00.38.12 # them funny requests? 00.38.16 # it would help if you wern't so obsessed with IP addresses 00.38.29 # it would help if you would not do this 00.39.28 # ? 00.39.57 # it would help if you would next time admit it and not please act like it's someone else 00.40.00 # either way 00.40.06 *** Alert Mode OFF 00.40.08 # stay with tracktheripper 00.40.22 # no I won't 00.40.33 # well i won't like it 00.42.39 # ok 00.43.08 # apart from thema ll knowing it is going to be you i liked the old name and old persona better 00.43.16 Quit Empeethree ("Leaving") 00.43.25 Join tracktheripper [0] (jirc@ACB9EE15.ipt.aol.com) 00.43.46 Quit _aLF ("Client exiting") 00.44.10 # oi 00.44.22 # aha 00.44.27 # i feel angered now 00.45.22 Join mosdefnet [0] (~mosdefnet@CPE004063c0cd41-CM013299904075.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 00.45.35 Quit joshn () 00.46.02 # track 00.46.12 # did you ever consider downloading mirc? 00.46.18 # it's alot better then jirc 00.46.23 # no 00.48.45 # this has probably been asked many times already, but are there any plans for AV300 haxx 00.48.57 # nope 00.49.01 # sorry 00.49.10 # thanx 00.49.38 # may i ask why? is it not possible? 00.49.40 # np 00.49.44 # well 00.49.47 # it is possible 00.50.00 # but it is very different from the players and recorders 00.50.05 # different cpu and such 00.50.18 # and it would be started from scratch if it were done 00.50.23 # which it won't be sorry 00.51.52 # "read .zip files" 00.55.14 Quit mosdefnet ("—I-n-v-i-s-i-o-n— 2.0 Build 2520") 00.56.26 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.03.56 # hmm 01.04.32 # bye 01.04.34 # sleep 01.04.40 # bye 01.04.43 # seeya 01.04.44 Quit BoD[] ("-0, null") 01.08.03 Quit tracktheripper ("Leaving") 01.10.50 Join LinusN [200] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 01.15.30 # Linus! 01.15.42 # And it's no fake linus either 01.15.45 # hello hello 01.16.45 # hi 01.16.52 # fake? 01.17.12 # tracktheripper was.. well he was coming in as Bagder, Zagor and LinusN 01.17.19 # and he was also one Empeethree 01.17.35 # oh 01.18.02 Join joshn [0] (joshn@204.251.225.74) 01.18.44 # back from vacation 01.18.49 # yay 01.18.53 # we missed you 01.19.02 # "downloading message 4 of 2082" 01.19.09 # lol 01.19.33 # thank god i have a good set of filters 01.20.34 # is that new set of sound filter things coming along? 01.20.38 # the clip preventors? 01.21.55 # no, mail filters 01.22.25 # i meant the thing that checks the settings and makes sure that they won't clip 01.22.56 # ah, no, i haven't worked any more on that 01.23.17 # haven't hacked much rockbox at all 01.23.32 # that's and odd term 01.23.37 # hacking your own project :) 01.24.00 # but i am working on frame-accurate splitting in recording mode plus retro-recording 01.24.29 # cool 01.24.32 # retro recording 01.24.38 # can it be more than 30s? 01.24.41 # linus, I have a question 01.24.55 # yes, but not much more 01.25.08 # not on the highest quality level 01.25.12 # I'm porting Rockbox to another player, but the bootloader doesn't copy the code from flash to dram. 01.25.15 # joshn: shoot 01.25.40 # ah, we spoke a while ago about that didn't we? 01.25.40 # I don't know assembler to know how to do it.\ 01.25.43 # yes 01.25.49 # I finally got the player 01.26.00 # joshn 01.26.03 # which player? 01.26.06 # which player is that 01.26.08 # ? 01.26.13 # the NEO55 01.26.17 # http://www.neomp3.com.tw/index1.htm 01.26.45 # hardware-wise, it's almost exactly like their portable jukebox 01.26.56 # wow 01.26.57 # adds an am/fm tuner and a car amp 01.27.13 # it's also almost identical to the Archos recorder 01.27.18 # except no recording 01.27.42 # hardware info? 01.28.07 # same CPU, mpeg chips, dram, etc. 01.28.20 # noce 01.28.20 # different LCD, but I wrote code for that 01.28.26 # nice 01.28.37 # different tuner, I think, but I haven't got that far :-) 01.28.40 # how does it load the firmware? 01.29.07 # it's a lot like the flashing that [IDC]Dragon did 01.29.30 # it has a bootloader that is in another flash chip 01.29.40 # so you can load bogus firmware, and recover 01.30.12 # I think the firmware is resposible for copying itself to DRAM, but LCD, etc. is already init 01.30.34 # so you need to flash it 01.30.37 # yes 01.30.56 # you hold down a certain key on boot, which brings up the flash util 01.31.07 # it looks for a file called "neo55.bin 01.31.11 Quit mecraw ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)") 01.31.11 # in root 01.31.17 # sounds easy 01.31.22 # the bin file is unscrambled 01.31.25 # it is 01.32.22 # the problem is that I haven't set up an RS232 connection yet, so I have to pull out the HDD and copy in the file every time I change the firmware 01.32.45 # oh 01.32.55 # would also like to set up gdb or something like that, but that can come later... 01.32.57 # but you want to run from RAM 01.33.12 # I think that's best...? 01.33.35 # is it faster to access DRAM than the flash, or not? 01.33.53 # If there's no advantage, I don't really care. 01.34.27 # BTW, I do have the .h and .o files for the old firmware. 01.34.30 # it depends on the flash of course 01.35.09 # there are two chips, an SST 39VF040, 01.35.24 # and an EliteMT M11L16161A 01.35.36 # the archos has the SST, doesn't it? 01.36.24 # oh, and I have the schematics 01.36.50 # yes, archos has the sst 01.37.13 # ok, so what do you need from me? 01.37.49 # Is it worth it to copy the code into DRAM? 01.38.07 # probably 01.38.26 # you can of course do a benchmark to prove it 01.38.31 # I don't know assembler, so I don't know how to set it up to copy the code in 01.40.08 # ok, your firmware is started by the boot loader, right? 01.40.16 # that's right 01.40.29 # I can get you a copy of the original firmware, if you want... 01.40.37 # no need 01.40.40 # ok 01.41.22 # i assume that the boot loader moves the vector table pointer and jumps to your reset vector? 01.41.37 # yeah 01.41.58 # or to the boot vector... 01.42.11 # there is a boot vector and a reset vector, right? 01.42.18 # it's the first one 01.42.33 # good 01.43.26 # then we need to write a position independent piece that copies the code to RAM and executes it 01.43.31 # should be pretty easy 01.43.43 # ok, if you say so... :-) 01.43.58 Join k3no__ [0] (trilluser@80.178.44.156.forward.012.net.il) 01.44.49 # send me an email to linus at haxx.se and i'll reply to it with the code 01.44.58 # ok, thanks alot 01.45.39 Join k3no [0] (trilluser@80.178.44.156.forward.012.net.il) 01.45.59 # Linus: rockbox started by taking the ajbrec.ajz, turning it into a bin file and then what? 01.46.15 # after the bin file was produced what did you do? 01.46.16 # midknight2k3: huh? 01.46.48 # what does a bin file do for you? is it encrypted? is it all the code? 01.46.53 # aha 01.47.17 # well, we started with examining the hardware to find out which CPU it had 01.47.54 # then we knew what to look for when trying to crack the scrambling algorithm 01.49.18 # when that was done, we disassembled parts of the archos firmware to find out how the hardware ws designed 01.50.58 # halt pls 01.51.16 # how did you disasssemble? 01.52.22 # using the sh2d tool 01.52.45 # which takes an ajbrec.ajz and makes it a bin filoe? 01.52.53 # or does it start with a bin file? 01.53.49 # it takes a bin file 01.54.05 # sh2d is a generic SH disassembler 01.54.19 # bin file turns into what? 01.54.34 # into a text file with the assembler code 01.55.36 # Linus: I just sent you an email 01.55.37 # i guess where i am going with this is, if the rio riot firmware was an exe and i got the bin file from it, what would go from there? sh2d would disassemble/decrypt it? 01.55.54 Quit adi|home (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.56.48 # midknight2k3: yes, if it has a sh1 CPU 01.57.11 # hmmm 02.02.52 Join adi|home [0] (~adi|home@as5300-9.216-194-23-17.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) 02.12.49 Join Plugh_ [0] (plugh@adsl-68-122-77-189.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) 02.13.17 Quit Plugh_ (Client Quit) 02.19.49 Quit Plugh ("leaving") 02.22.23 Join Plugh [0] (plugh@adsl-68-122-77-189.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) 02.26.52 # Linus, can you code the redzone on hte peak meteR? 02.27.30 # i could, but i don't see the point 02.27.41 # why not? 02.27.55 # it helps for recording-if there's a menu option it's more than great 02.29.19 # first of all, how do you define the "red zone"? 02.29.28 # 0db mark 02.29.31 # for recording 02.29.44 # well originally it was going to be 20pixels from edge of screen 02.29.50 # more or less to taste 02.30.03 # but now i am thinking it should be set up so it works in dbfs and linear 02.30.06 # is that hard? 02.30.13 # you want to set the level such that it isn't overdriven but also isn't too low 02.30.19 # so it is basically saying inver video for last 15db or so 02.31.02 # but if it is simpler, 15pixels from screen edge is good i guess 02.31.14 # as long as you don't hit the top, you should be safe 02.31.27 # "hit the top"? 02.31.43 # of the red zone? 02.32.14 # the main point is to have the level between just under and just over the red zone (aka on the red line) 02.32.23 # or maybe reaching in 02.32.36 # i realy don't know as i havent tested it yet lol 02.33.54 # ok, i see what you mean now 02.34.05 # makes more sense? 02.34.21 # it's supposed to be useful, not just some "neat" function 02.34.42 # (for more info on NEAT functions, read icr logs of last week where i tried to get Zagor to make the red led into a kyeypress indicator) 02.34.55 # :D 02.41.21 # so what's the verdict, linus? 02.41.50 # did you file a feature request? 02.41.59 # tracktheripper did 02.42.05 # a few months ago 02.42.14 # Zagor seems to think it is useless 02.42.18 # no help there 02.42.21 # Bagder as well i think 02.42.27 # so Linus is the only hope 02.43.28 # hehe, i too think it't pretty useless, but it also seems pretty easy to do 02.43.49 # i was trying to do it myself 02.43.52 # earhurts helped 02.43.55 # like a tutorial 02.44.06 # but it got delayed and never happened :( 02.44.30 # i did all the defining but telling it to draw the redzone just never happened 02.51.08 Join FamaCelox [0] (famacelox@209-166-243-233.dsl.cust.walrus.com) 02.51.31 Quit thu ("Client exiting") 02.52.08 Quit adi|home ("Damn flying monkies") 02.52.25 Quit joshn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.52.33 Join thu [0] (~thu@h24-87-64-169.vc.shawcable.net) 02.52.56 Join adi|home [0] (~adi|home@as5300-9.216-194-23-17.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) 02.52.59 # hello 02.53.04 # hiya 02.53.09 # hi 02.53.32 # anyone mind if i ask a question ... 02.53.40 # you can always ask 02.53.47 # yes 02.53.50 # what plug said 02.53.53 # :) 02.54.00 # worst we can do is shun you, hunt you down, and shave your dog 02.54.05 # cool - i usually lurk in a new irc for a while before chiming in .... 02.55.06 # i have a jb20 that says it's charging but, in fact, drains the batts - archos tech said the rectifier has to be replaced ... sound valid? 02.55.48 # yes 02.56.05 # 02.56.19 # the unit is always working off the batteries 02.56.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.56.36 # so if it thinks it's charging, it'll go to charge mode 02.57.19 # but if the regulator is fried, it won't actually be feeding the batteries power, and the unit wouldn't know about it 02.57.52 # did you do something weird like reverse the polarity on the charger or use one that didn't come with the unit? 02.58.35 # ah - - i have an extra motherboard, can i unsolder the rectifier from that one - if so, do you know how to identify it? 02.59.07 # it's usually a rectangular device with a hole in it and 3-4 leads 02.59.27 # dunno about the one in the Archos units though 02.59.27 # hmmm .... brb ... 03.00.21 # well 03.00.28 # if you mean a computer motherboard... 03.00.29 # lol 03.00.45 # they don't have the same type of rectifier as an archos 03.00.52 # not usually 03.01.06 # the rectifier that usually dies is a IR7416 03.01.20 # computers generally use the power supply for rectification 03.01.23 # http://www.funmp3players.com/forum/Topic.asp?topic_id=6396&forum_id=8&Topic_Title=Fried%2BChip%2Bduring%2Bcharging&forum_title=General+%2D+Jukebox+Player%2FRecorder 03.02.00 Ctcp Ignored 5 channel CTCP requests in 15 minutes and 38 seconds at the last flood 03.02.00 # * Plugh introduces Linus to tinyurl.com. http://tinyurl.com/jym9 03.02.48 # lol 03.02.58 # * LinusN doesn't like tiny urls 03.03.07 # ooh 03.03.15 # he told you ;) 03.03.53 # I don't like long ones ;) 03.04.09 # they can be violated 03.04.44 # like the above 03.04.53 # but a 5 instead of a nine is something an apple store 03.04.57 # and a 4 is something else 03.05.00 # too insecure 03.05.20 # windows IRC clients suck. They make people inconsiderate of console users 03.05.45 # how? 03.05.51 # i was looking for the jb20 motherboard i replaced a couple of months back ... 03.05.53 # so people will paste these HUGE urls and expect everyone in the world to simply click on it to bring it up in their browser 03.06.08 # lol 03.06.09 # but people like me need to copy and paste the link into a browser 03.06.11 # hahahhahaa 03.06.24 # watch me carefully 03.06.28 # click click 03.06.30 # tada! 03.06.32 # watch you 03.06.43 Join Galik [0] (~galik@195.137.124.20) 03.06.48 #