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08.54.25 # * MiChAeLoL smacks aol with a large trout because it wont accept the mail he is sending to it through his xbox 08.55.16 # Gavitron: download a daily build 08.55.30 # * MiChAeLoL likes it launching off flash rom 09.02.51 # can i just drop the daily builds into the root menu of my Archos or do i have to do some work. ie. programing 09.03.05 # just download the ajz 09.03.37 # ok 09.04.22 # what kind of new stuff are in the daily builds 09.05.43 # lots of stuff 09.05.53 # dynamic playlists for example 09.06.02 # more games? 09.06.08 # i really liked the games 09.06.09 # 5 09.06.22 # just download the full zip 09.06.30 # cause you need the .rocks too 09.06.33 # (plugins) 09.07.12 # so.... i need to download the ajz's or the full's 09.07.21 # download the full zip this first time 09.07.42 # oh ok 09.08.37 # should i download all the daily builds or just the latest one 09.08.44 # lol 09.08.47 # just the latest 09.09.00 # ok 09.14.20 Join Zagor [242] (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) 09.14.23 # holy shit 09.14.34 # these games are pimp 09.14.57 Mode "#rockbox +o Zagor " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 09.15.39 Topic "(null)" by Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) 09.15.49 Topic ""Rockbox for president"" by Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) 09.15.53 Topic "Rockbox for president" by Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) 09.16.15 # man, this irc client is hard :) 09.17.37 Quit Zagor (Client Quit) 09.18.01 # how come the Othelo game doesnt work 09.23.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.27.19 # what are the Bleeding Edge builds? 09.29.07 # Gavitron: for the othello, i understood that somebody broken a line in the code; but i'm not sure if they have commited a patch or not 09.30.30 # do you know what the Bleeding Ege builds are? 09.30.37 # edge* 09.31.16 # no idea, but perhaps checking the changelogs will tell you :) 09.31.42 # oh ok 09.35.50 Quit scott666 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.36.14 Join scott666 [0] (scott666@c-66-41-171-170.mn.client2.attbi.com) 09.39.59 Part Gavitron 10.23.14 Quit scott666 ("i'll be back...eventually...") 10.30.07 Quit hardeep ("BitchX: better than a penis enlargement!") 10.37.01 # sb there ? 10.52.14 Join Malphas__ [0] (~s@195.101.59.28) 11.16.19 Join AciD` [0] (~Gni@ANantes-106-1-32-72.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr) 11.21.45 Join Guest [0] (jirc@ACBA1B95.ipt.aol.com) 11.23.09 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.26.11 Quit Guest (Client Quit) 11.30.16 Nick dw|gone_ is now known as dwihno (dwihno@h193180246067.kommunicera.umea.se) 11.54.31 Join gizz_ [0] (~nico@parmentier-1-82-67-24-138.fbx.proxad.net) 12.14.16 Nick Malphas__ is now known as MalphAWs (~s@195.101.59.28) 12.14.30 Nick MalphAWs is now known as MalphMiaM (~s@195.101.59.28) 13.02.32 Join nevs [0] (jirc@ACBFFC53.ipt.aol.com) 13.02.37 # hello 13.02.47 # i need some help with a question 13.03.05 # :D 13.03.12 # hey 13.03.18 # I hej on you! 13.03.34 # ? 13.03.54 # I salute thee! :) 13.04.33 # ive got archos studio 20, and i was wondering , does it make it alot quicker if i de frag it? 13.04.43 # ive never done it before 13.04.59 # I doubt it will be a lot quicker. 13.05.08 # is it worth doing? 13.05.14 # Probably not 13.05.19 # i havnt defreeged my jukebox since i got it 13.05.51 # I never defrag mine. 13.06.01 # ok 13.06.10 # im virus checking it at the moment 13.06.44 # erhm 13.06.50 # virus in mp3s? :) 13.07.29 # yes, u can get them in .mp3 and also i have other file formats on it like .exe, .zip etc 13.07.45 # you can get super hidden extensions 13.07.55 # super hidden extensions? 13.08.04 # so even if you make a file.mp3, it might be ssss.mp3.exe 13.08.08 # I got .exe .c and some more :-) 13.08.24 # get the point? 13.08.36 # Renaming files... Yeah, I get it. 13.09.33 # even though it has the icon of widnows meadia player and stuff , and it says.mp3 after it still could be a super hidden extension which could be a worm or virus code 13.09.55 # do use kazaa? 13.10.00 # 'super hidden extension' ? 13.10.08 # super hidden extension? 13.10.28 # i just told you 13.10.39 # tools -> folder options -> view -> disable hide extension for known file types 13.10.43 # How is the extension hidden? 13.10.51 # uhh 13.10.58 # * dwihno uses file management utilities and not explorer. 13.11.25 # tom@linux.woodhall.barn [12:05 PM] '~/rockbox/mnt' 13.11.27 # > $ sh virus.mp3.exe 13.11.27 # virus.mp3.exe: virus.mp3.exe: cannot execute binary file 13.11.27 # :/ 13.11.33 # i cant catch the virus :/ 13.11.35 # u see mt when u go to folder options in windows and click display all file extensions, it still wont display super hidden extensions 13.11.41 # lmao 13.11.47 # seriously 13.11.52 # super hidden extensions 13.11.54 # what? 13.11.56 # made my day 13.11.57 # yes 13.12.04 # :-) 13.12.24 # mt what the fuck are u on about 13.12.27 # I don't buy it. 13.14.05 # u guys still here 13.15.44 # the key to not getting viruses is not having a brilliant virus checker, its not making sure you dont have any super hidden extensions, its not even making sure all your patches are up to date, its not even installing 'zonealarm' or any other 'personal' firewall program 13.15.54 # two simple rules 13.16.02 # deny all new incomming traffic 13.16.08 # dont run untrusted code 13.16.08 # thats bollocks 13.16.11 # no 13.16.36 # tbh, im not the guy virus checking his mp3s 13.16.45 # any program u download or create must be virus checked before opening or priviewing 13.17.09 # thats rule number 2 13.17.15 # untrusted code 13.17.21 # just dont run it 13.17.22 # u do know that i could find a virus hidden as a .mp3 file and if you ran it it would fuck up your pc like hell 13.17.34 # haha 13.17.35 # really 13.17.53 # a virus embedded in a non executable file 13.18.01 # well, first for everything i suppose 13.18.09 # how would this virus code get executed then? 13.18.27 # nevs: you are wrong 13.18.28 # its a fucking .exe program which looks like a .mp3 file! 13.18.36 # then it isnt an mp3 13.18.45 # but u think it is 13.18.47 # if you tell windows to show the extension, you will not be fooled... 13.18.51 # and why would i run britney spears goes pop.mp3.exe 13.19.03 # nevs: why on earth would i do that 13.19.10 # that would be pretty fucking dumb 13.19.11 # BECUASE IT WONT SHO W .exe after .mp3 dipstick 13.19.18 # nevs: it is a setting 13.19.24 # see the options... 13.19.24 # ok, addendum: rule 3 - thou shallt not be dumb 13.19.30 # go to google , type in super hidden file extensions and look at the results 13.19.40 # open "My computer", go to Settingsd or sth like this and there is an option "Hide known extensions" 13.19.50 # YES! 13.20.00 # so, uncheck the box 13.20.04 # i know but it doesnt show super hidden extensions 13.20.19 # not in windows 13.20.21 # my computer.lnk is going to get me! 13.20.23 # let me look on google then.. 13.20.25 # unless u edit the registry 13.20.35 # do 13.20.51 # tbh, even if i did have some super hidden extensions 13.20.51 # anyway, im not using windows so... :] 13.20.52 # ! 13.21.06 # i trust all the executable code on my computer 13.21.10 # thats why its still there 13.22.15 # uski 13.22.19 # A number of viruses (virii?) masquerade as normal files by adding an extra, super-hidden file extension to the filename of an e-mail attachment. For example, the AnnaKournikova virus that recently made the rounds had an attachment named "AnnaKournikova.jpg.vbs", but because of Windows' habit of always hiding certain file extensions, seemed to be named "AnnaKournikova.jpg", a seemingly-innocent graphic file. The vbs extension is hidden, even whe 13.22.19 # n you have instructed Windows Explorer to show all filename extensions. 13.22.22 # do u see my point 13.22.22 # that's what i said 13.22.35 # ask windows to show the extensions of known types 13.22.44 # no 13.22.46 # nevs: wait i try on a winxp box to be sure... 13.22.47 # that wont work 13.23.05 # windows doesnt show super hidden file extensions! 13.23.12 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.23.17 # uski : 13.23.24 # Show Super hidden file extensions 13.23.24 # By default, there are some extensions that windows will never display, even if "Always show file extensions" is checked. This can be a security problem. A program can use one of these extensions and you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Example: Message.txt.shs. Shs is a shell scrap object and is not displayed, you would only see Message.txt. To show ALL file extensions... 13.23.24 # 13.23.38 # thank you gizz 13.23.46 # hmmm 13.23.47 # "even if "Hide known..."..." 13.23.50 # intersting :) 13.23.52 # :) 13.23.54 # thanks 13.23.54 # see 13.24.04 # i want to try it myself, wait :) 13.24.13 # uski : not interesting, ugly... (I'm a linux so wnyway :)) 13.24.22 # anyway, it shows that windows SUCKS really, and that microsoft is really doingnothing to protect users 13.24.32 # linux person, sorry 13.24.38 # does linux show super hidden files? 13.24.41 # gizz_: yea im using linux too but i have a windows partition on my laptop so i'll test in a few secs 13.24.46 # nevs: yea of course 13.24.53 # linux shows files 13.24.54 # nevs : linux is not a dumb OS :) 13.24.59 # linux is able to find a file type without any extension 13.25.04 # it has no concept of 'super hidden' 13.25.10 # but if you want you can use extensions too 13.25.16 # linux is... wonderful ;) 13.25.19 # yea 13.25.25 # linux, hurraaa ! 13.25.39 # anybody have an archos recorder here ? 13.25.43 # yeah, but whats linux like playing games 13.25.51 # heh 13.26.00 # linux could do this very well if there were games developped for it 13.26.09 # anyway im not concerned, i don't play games lol 13.26.13 # if there were a market too 13.26.17 # linux is very very good for programming 13.26.22 # uski : same as me ;) 13.26.28 # gizz_: by creating linux games, they will create the market 13.27.04 # uski : you're right, but I won't buy them anyway ;) I prefer coding (and learning to also ;)) 13.27.19 # nevs, gizz_: on my box, creating a file called "test.mp3.vbs" shows ".vbs" at the end 13.27.25 # aha 13.27.32 # i keep my windows OS up to date, perhaps a patch is removing super hidden extensions... 13.27.35 # on what os 13.27.40 # windows 13.27.49 # test.mp3.vbs shows as test.mp3.vbs.. 13.27.54 # so maybe your registry doesn't contain "NeverShowExt" key in reg 13.27.55 # ant not test.mp3 or anythinh 13.28.05 # gizz_ yea but i never removed it 13.28.13 # so: it was NOT here or it was removed by a patch 13.28.14 # uski : see http://forums.betarun.net/showthread.php?tid=96 for infos 13.29.02 # uski : BTW all these wind*ws stuff makes me laugh here :D 13.29.13 # gizz_: yea lol 13.29.29 # i plan to remove this fucking windows from my laptop asap 13.30.04 # anybody with an arhcos recorder ? 13.30.08 # just a small question 13.30.39 # uski : the point (to my opinion) is it is good to use both, to find easily jobs in CS :) [but keep Nux @home :)] 13.31.07 # CS ? 13.31.43 # Computer Science 13.32.05 # oh ok 13.34.55 # giz i have a archos stuido is it worth defragging it? 13.35.13 # err 13.35.17 # well 13.35.29 # what hdd size ? 13.35.41 # 20gb 13.35.48 # ok 13.35.58 # do you add/remove MP3 often ? 13.36.27 # a bit 13.37.20 # woudl it ake file browsing on the archos any quicker? 13.37.28 # make* 13.37.30 # nevs: i don't think it will improve speed 13.37.34 # at all 13.37.41 # k 13.38.04 # nevs : well, 13.38.22 # if your hdd is really fragd, 13.38.41 # do it, but if not, you must know doing it will reduce its lifetime a bit 13.38.53 # serisouly, it won't improve speed... 13.38.56 # of the hd? 13.39.06 # the disk is accessed very very rarely compared to its capabilities 13.39.09 # => because it must be USB plugged all the time, and hdd will be spinning all time too 13.39.16 # and the data rate is so slow that it will not improve speed at all 13.39.56 # ok 13.40.30 # im scan disking my archos right now 13.41.58 # you can do that too, but same issues apply :( 13.42.10 # (I did it yesterday because of FAT pb) 13.42.20 # nevs: really, it is useless unless you have a problem 13.42.45 # ok 13.43.47 # hmm 13.43.58 # thinking fo buying a denison mp3 player head unit for my car 13.44.23 # particularly elegant solution - the front flips up and you slot in the hd caddy 13.44.33 # wich also acts as a portable mp3 player 13.44.39 # and gets recharged as you drive along 13.49.40 Quit nevs ("Leaving") 13.50.49 # hmm 13.51.06 # yesterday i wanted to buy a creative zen, but now i want to buy an archos "because of" rockbox :)) 14.06.29 Quit satino (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.13.24 Nick MalphMiaM is now known as Malphas__ (~s@195.101.59.28) 14.23.23 Join Bagder [241] (~dast@neptunus.contactor.se) 14.24.55 # hi Bagder 14.25.27 # hi 14.26.15 # I managed to adapt you uisimulator x11 sources to compile with SDL 14.26.18 # your 14.26.25 # woo 14.26.31 # but 14.26.52 # it's almost buggy for recorders (it works for players) 14.27.04 # the point is : 14.27.11 # is it worth it ? 14.27.40 # well, what would we gain with using SDL? 14.27.54 # I mean : the only interest would be to compile it for win32 platforms this way, but I didn't manage to do that :-( 14.28.14 # gain : one source, many platforms (natively) 14.28.54 # true 14.29.09 # but with the added price that everyone need to install sdl 14.29.20 # well 14.29.31 # *install* sdl ? :) 14.29.39 # it's quite light 14.29.48 # well 14.29.48 # compare it to X1 :) 14.29.51 # x11 14.29.58 # I'd need to built it from source 14.30.11 # which *I* have no problem with 14.30.13 # but you must be true, I don't know if all this is worth it 14.30.14 # but some will 14.30.22 # oh, 14.30.35 # I'm just trying to add pros and cons 14.30.43 # many sdl-using soft distribute SDL.dll, etc.. as binary packages 14.30.52 # yes 14.30.56 # Bagder : you're the master, not me ;) 14.30.57 # but I'm on linux 14.31.05 # Bagder I'm too ;) 14.31.20 # actually 14.31.32 # if we got one source that use SDL and works for both windows and Linux 14.31.36 # I'd say that would be good 14.31.42 # one pro though : 14.32.05 # I find it's a pity there are two separate uisim branchs : x and win32, 14.32.15 # and there are *difference* between 'em 14.32.15 # yes 14.32.42 # ie : no jukebox scan in the window for x : only the virt screen 14.33.08 # in win32, there is the nice looking face of jukebox 14.33.09 # yeah, but that picture is only giving us problems 14.33.14 # hm 14.33.30 # I vote for its removal in the win32 sim 14.33.30 # at least, with one source tree, devs can work together 14.34.52 # tbh tho, not much dev work goes on in the simulator tree 14.35.19 # as long as the simulator tree works for whatever OS it is required for, people can then get on with the job of developing the apps tree 14.35.35 # which is why people compile the simulator anyways 14.35.37 # mt : right 14.35.47 # from my perspective that is 14.36.05 # yeps 14.36.43 # so, I'd certainly forget about all this... 14.36.48 # sorry all 14.37.06 # so the benefit of an sdl port would be to allow the sim to work on a platform where it currently doesnt, but sdl does 14.37.21 # mt : exactly 14.37.25 # (thats not insignificant) 14.37.33 # it seems people have problems today with building/using it on windows 14.37.45 # personnally, I can run linux and win32, but I was wondering about aother users indeed... 14.38.17 # you may have all noticed, 14.38.31 # someone did compile the sim with eclipse, 14.38.47 # but it needs java, and when Bagder talked about SDL *install* needed, 14.38.51 # well, :-) 14.38.54 # Wheeeeeeeeeeee! 14.38.59 # i'd probably have tried it on windows, but when i have linux on the computer next to me, seemed silly to be installing huge dev environments 14.39.09 # you can compare blue whales and fish tanks ;-) 14.39.26 # plus im on a 56k modem, getting updates just for my OS is enough for me :) 14.39.50 # Modems rule! 14.40.02 # and.. adsl sucks ?? ;) 14.40.07 # LOL 14.40.42 # the only thing i miss about adsl is the low ping 14.40.51 # very hard to work over ssh on 56k 14.40.53 # Bagder : I'm running into problems by working on flash-the-player code, 14.41.36 # I'm consedring setting up an SH1 emulator, any infos about the guy called Stevie O ? 14.41.40 # I'm not that involved in flashing, but is there anything I can do? 14.41.51 # considering- 14.41.55 # gizz_: no, he's been gone for a while now 14.42.01 # :( 14.42.22 # I believe he's one some work for emulating recorders, 14.42.30 # yes 14.42.30 # Bagder: have you flashed yet 14.42.31 # ? 14.42.34 # dwihno: nope 14.42.41 # but what a pity he didn't leave some open source behind him... 14.42.44 # Bagder: well, you should! it rocks the rombox ;) 14.44.29 # BAgder : yes, you should try ;) even on player, dual-boot is great 14.45.50 Join lieting [0] (~lieting@ool-44c16da3.dyn.optonline.net) 14.45.54 # Yeah. Zero boot time! :D 14.46.25 # I know I should 14.46.35 # been focusing on other things lately 14.46.37 # Wicked! :D 14.46.54 # Focusing too much on the karaoke competitions in Stockholm? 14.47.08 # yeah 14.47.11 # ;-P 14.47.13 # anybody knows the progress of supporting unicode? 14.47.59 # rockbox will never support full unicode 14.48.18 # why not? 14.48.25 # its simply too much 14.48.43 # you mean the font size? or the effort? 14.48.47 # we have very little memory to play with 14.48.52 # the font size 14.48.55 # the tables 14.49.38 # how much memory does the MP3 cache need out of the 1.7M left? 14.49.54 # the 1.7M is for the mp3 cache 14.50.02 # the more, the merries 14.50.05 # merrier 14.50.20 # so it is really a tradeoff of the battery life? 14.50.27 # yes 14.50.34 # Bagder: do the 8 meg mod on my recorder :-D 14.50.39 # hehe 14.50.49 # I'll pay you with kebab (starka såsen of course) 14.50.51 # I have a Studio 20 14.51.02 # or perhaps I should ask Linus ;D 14.51.06 # can I mod it to an 8m? 14.51.07 # lieting: then forget about unicode, as you have a fixed charset 14.51.31 # lieting: I *think* you can, but I'm not sure 14.51.49 # thanks guys. 14.54.39 # :D 15.06.04 Nick dwihno is now known as dw|gone (dwihno@h193180246067.kommunicera.umea.se) 15.21.34 Quit lieting ("Leaving") 15.23.16 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.38.55 # is someone using a usb 2 card under linux ? 15.39.08 # bagder ? 15.40.03 # I do 15.42.40 # what card is it ? 15.42.53 # a belkin one 15.43.04 # i am about to order an archos recorder 20, but i would need a usb 2.0 card as my motherboard only have usb 1.1 15.43.05 # oh ok 15.43.09 # the card i can order is a balkin 15.43.15 # it should work then... let's hope 15.43.17 # works perfectly 15.43.25 # good 15.43.34 # the driver is provided with the kernel or is it a separate one ? 15.43.45 # 2.4.19 and later has it built-in 15.50.52 # ok ty 15.57.03 Quit Bagder ("Client Exiting") 16.01.42 Quit matsl (Remote closed the connection) 16.49.22 Join edx` [0] (edx@pD9EAB1C2.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.51.17 # bye all 16.51.33 Part gizz_ 16.59.15 # uski: make sure it is ehci (most if not all are) 16.59.47 # i bought a super cheap (10 euros) no-name card with an NEC chipset (i think) 16.59.51 # works fine 17.00.44 Quit edx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.03.40 Nick edx` is now known as edx (edx@pD9EAB1C2.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.23.20 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.27.05 Quit Malphas__ ("Preparing subject to return IRL .... 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20.35.34 # <_DarkAngel> fine, n u ? 20.37.01 # good, glad that the site is back and that i ordered my recorder 20.37.44 # <_DarkAngel> nice choice :) 20.38.17 # yeah i've had the player for a year and now i'm selling it to my brother 20.41.10 # oh and i also picked up 2100mAh batteries 20.41.20 # <_DarkAngel> great :) 20.41.48 # <_DarkAngel> I'm currently preparing my computer for hardware changes :) 20.42.09 # <_DarkAngel> unplug of TVCard and plug of SCSI (3 HDD of 200Go:) ) 20.42.38 # <_DarkAngel> I'll be disconnected for some time soon :) 20.43.47 # heh 20.43.55 # i wish i had 200 gigs of HD 20.44.04 # <_DarkAngel> lol 20.44.08 # but i do have a tv card :) 20.44.14 # <_DarkAngel> got them from work... :) 20.44.30 # i don't have a job 20.44.36 # and if i did i don't think it would be a computer one 20.44.56 # <_DarkAngel> sorry about that :( (job, not about computer!) 20.46.30 # heh 20.46.40 # i'm 17 and about to go to college so it's not a big deal :) 20.47.17 # <_DarkAngel> lol... 20.47.30 # <_DarkAngel> what are you planning to do after 20.47.48 # after college? 20.47.59 # i'm not sure, hopefully work in europe 20.48.23 # i think at college i'll study linguistics and computer science 20.48.25 # but i'm not sure 20.51.57 # * _DarkAngel is going to shutdown for some time :) 20.52.02 # <_DarkAngel> see ya all :) 20.52.16 Quit _DarkAngel ("HDD Connection :)") 21.11.50 Quit mecraw_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 21.16.45 Join _DarkAngel [0] (~DarkAngel@ARouen-106-1-6-141.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr) 21.16.59 # <_DarkAngel> re :) 21.23.25 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.24.21 Quit _DarkAngel () 21.24.27 Join Galik [0] (~galik@195.137.124.20) 21.27.05 Join [IDC]Dragon [0] (~idc-drago@p50861615.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.36.43 Join gizz [0] (~gizz@parmentier-1-82-67-24-138.fbx.proxad.net) 21.38.10 # hi all 21.39.10 # dragon are you there ? 21.39.25 # <[IDC]Dragon> just ringed me here. 21.39.44 # <[IDC]Dragon> how are you doing? 21.39.51 # fine 21.40.05 # but lcd still un inited 21.40.14 # <[IDC]Dragon> oooh 21.40.36 # <[IDC]Dragon> how come? 21.40.55 # I wonder when I could ask linus for info about general init.. 21.41.06 # I dunno 21.41.20 # <[IDC]Dragon> He will possibly send you to Stevie... 21.41.33 # I tried every combo with POR cmds 21.41.43 # Stevie oh yeah 21.42.11 # but nobody has seen him for a long time 21.42.23 # <[IDC]Dragon> Do you at least have code that recovers from our de-init? 21.42.32 # if only he left *code* behing him 21.43.51 # <[IDC]Dragon> Sorry: Do you at least have code that recovers from our de-init? 21.44.10 # well I had code that worked in MOD mode, but not in UCL mode 21.44.36 # <[IDC]Dragon> aha, at least. 21.45.04 # <[IDC]Dragon> But it seems there's more POR'ed than with our de-init. 21.45.09 # indeed today I modified the flash code to wait for keys, so I can toggle values at boot time 21.45.31 # so I can test more values and easier 21.45.49 # but it brought nothing new :( 21.46.40 # <[IDC]Dragon> You don't happen to have access to a logic analyzer? 21.47.39 # no; I even started some kind of sh1 emulator.. but I need infos (I projected to simulate the firmware bootup from flash) 21.48.12 # do you know well the functionning of firmware in flash ? 21.48.13 # <[IDC]Dragon> writing an emulator, or using one? 21.48.52 # <[IDC]Dragon> not for players. 21.48.57 # well, I couldn't find one, so I picked up code from a sega saturn emulator 21.49.19 # <[IDC]Dragon> I've seen that, I think. 21.49.35 # there are 2 sh2 in them 21.49.48 # <[IDC]Dragon> There is an SH simulator from Lauterbach, I'm using that. 21.49.57 # so I started a standalone sh1/2 emu, 21.50.07 # in order to simulate firmware exec 21.50.16 # <[IDC]Dragon> Nah, don't do that. 21.50.36 # well if you say so 21.50.58 # <[IDC]Dragon> Not because I say, but because it's double work. 21.51.28 # did the Stevie lcd init logs help you to fix your flash code ? 21.51.41 # <[IDC]Dragon> The Lauterbach s/w is free eval, but has some bugs. 21.51.56 # <[IDC]Dragon> fix my flash code? 21.52.37 # didn't stevie provided you some lcd init log ? 21.52.58 # <[IDC]Dragon> He gave me the init sequence for recorder, yes. 21.52.59 Join Walld001 [0] (~jirc@195.157.202.208) 21.53.20 # <[IDC]Dragon> I've put that into rockbox, and it worked. 21.53.22 # well I supposed I could try to mimic the trick for my player 21.53.48 # <[IDC]Dragon> let me try to disassemble the firmware. 21.54.19 # <[IDC]Dragon> It should be possible to find the bitbanging for the LCD, then maybe what calls it. 21.54.26 Quit Walld001 (Client Quit) 22.37.46 # <[IDC]Dragon> gizz: I think I found something! 22.42.07 Quit hardeep ("[BX] Dr. Kavorkian is DYING to use BitchX. Aren't you?") 22.42.11 # aha ? :) 22.42.34 # <[IDC]Dragon> looks like an init here. 22.42.40 # woohoo 22.43.04 # <[IDC]Dragon> hang on... 22.43.27 # can you tell me in what file you are searching ? 22.43.35 # fw ? internal rom ? 22.44.12 # <[IDC]Dragon> I disassembled the 5.08 flash. 22.44.31 # ok 23.02.52 Join T-rack [0] (jirc@ACBDD978.ipt.aol.com) 23.07.47 # <[IDC]Dragon> gizz: I got it now. 23.08.30 # <[IDC]Dragon> I'd better write you an email, or code it right away and send you that. 23.09.12 # no pb 23.09.28 # BTW : you rule :) 23.09.54 # <[IDC]Dragon> wait, try it first... 23.11.06 # <[IDC]Dragon> The tricky part is that there are pauses between the commands, and they set the bits gradually. 23.11.17 # aha 23.11.30 # that could explain my failures 23.11.31 Quit edx () 23.12.15 # <[IDC]Dragon> The pauses seem rather arbitrary, we can probably thin it out. 23.12.40 # <[IDC]Dragon> It's just counting loops with very "human" values. 23.13.00 # <[IDC]Dragon> counting to 12000 and 300000. 23.13.18 # idc !! 23.13.21 # hi 23.13.25 # <[IDC]Dragon> odd numbers in the hex disassembly, but nice in decimal. 23.13.35 # I didn't see timings to respect when setting POR cmd in the specs, though 23.13.44 # the uart boot does not work. also it seems i don't have the lastest binary of RockFlash 23.13.54 # <[IDC]Dragon> Hi uski 23.14.02 # <[IDC]Dragon> what dis it do? 23.14.05 # <[IDC]Dragon> did 23.14.15 # it says "error while sending monitor byte 0x??, got 0x??" 23.14.23 # i don't get the "uploading monitor... done" message 23.14.50 # <[IDC]Dragon> areyou doing a clean start? 23.14.56 # clean start ? 23.15.26 # <[IDC]Dragon> first set your switch, then the box must be freshly started, then run the program. 23.15.27 # you mean an off/on cycle then i launch rockflash immediatly ? 23.15.32 # yea i do it 23.15.49 # <[IDC]Dragon> with the switch, the box should stay dead. 23.16.05 # it does 23.16.13 # i get only the green led and the backlight, which stay on forever 23.16.20 # nothing on the screen 23.16.27 # (obviously) 23.16.29 # <[IDC]Dragon> during monitor download, the red LED should flash 23.16.35 # it does not 23.16.39 # <[IDC]Dragon> hmm 23.16.40 # dragon : sorry, but did you sent your email already ? (I don't mind if you send only init bytes + wait loops = I can code them in) 23.17.05 # <[IDC]Dragon> gizz: not yet, uski is distracting me. 23.17.18 # oopz 23.17.20 # <[IDC]Dragon> uski: may I finish this first? 23.17.29 # sorry 23.18.16 # <[IDC]Dragon> no , I'm sorry for letting myself get dragged away. 23.18.28 # please, don't :) 23.18.33 # (be sorry) 23.19.08 # [IDC]Dragon: yea; i can't stay, i go back to work tomorrow. if i don't go to bed now i know i will not go to bed before 2 am :) 23.19.31 # <[IDC]Dragon> uski; I know that problem. 23.19.35 # gizz: desolé de te piquer le magicien ;)) 23.19.39 # cya all 23.19.40 # arf 23.19.40 # <[IDC]Dragon> do you have a scope? 23.19.45 # [IDC]Dragon: yea 23.19.53 # uski=lucky 23.20.02 # <[IDC]Dragon> have you measured TX from the PC? 23.20.06 # gizz_: i have a Tektronix TDS220 23.20.15 # [IDC]Dragon: yea, and also the RX from the archos 23.20.25 # <[IDC]Dragon> do they talk? 23.20.27 # i mean what the archos is sending back 23.20.27 # yes 23.20.50 # <[IDC]Dragon> so it looks like the monitor gets transferred? 23.21.10 # no, before it seems to send only 0xF0 or sth like this 23.21.24 # <[IDC]Dragon> before what? 23.21.46 # oops s/before/but/ [/me is tired] 23.22.09 # <[IDC]Dragon> hmm, then they don't understand each other. 23.22.20 # i can't work on this now; i will do some more advanced tests and i'll drop you a mail with the results 23.22.34 # <[IDC]Dragon> Let's offload this to tomorrow. 23.22.41 # yea 23.22.46 # good night everyone :) 23.22.51 # gizz: je te rends le magicien ;) 23.22.52 # bye 23.22.55 # <[IDC]Dragon> see ya 23.22.56 # thx :) 23.23.09 # * uski is away: [afk] 23.23.29 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.32.27 # <[IDC]Dragon> gizz: OK, it compiles. 23.32.32 # cool 23.32.47 # could you send me the sources ? 23.33.04 # <[IDC]Dragon> doing that right now... 23.33.09 # thx 23.34.29 # <[IDC]Dragon> Out to laposte 23.34.56 # ook 23.35.09 # gotcha 23.35.27 # <[IDC]Dragon> suspense 23.35.39 # must I patch directly ? 23.35.53 # <[IDC]Dragon> just use that file 23.36.07 # <[IDC]Dragon> overwriting yours 23.36.10 # ok 23.36.17 # <[IDC]Dragon> (mabe backup yours first ;-) 23.36.25 # <[IDC]Dragon> maybe 23.36.34 # done 23.36.54 # compiled 23.37.39 # do I test MOD or directly UCL ? 23.37.51 # <[IDC]Dragon> however you like 23.39.33 # sending 23.41.05 # mod blew lcd out 23.41.30 # (I can't test anymore) 23.41.35 # <[IDC]Dragon> which mod? de-init ot the new one? 23.41.39 # *joke here* 23.41.51 # the mod from your file 23.42.08 # <[IDC]Dragon> did what? (not joking) 23.42.35 # it turned off the lcd 23.42.46 # now, I'm gonna test the ucl 23.42.48 # <[IDC]Dragon> hmm, no good. 23.43.00 # sniff 23.43.47 # I have to have a look to your file... 23.43.59 # <[IDC]Dragon> shure 23.44.58 # well 23.45.17 # how did you find this magic sequence ? 23.45.41 # <[IDC]Dragon> I told you: by disassembling the Archos software. 23.45.54 # ok, I meant : entry point, etc... 23.46.24 # <[IDC]Dragon> I started with port B, to which the LCD connects at the lower 4 bit. 23.46.37 # oh I see, clever 23.47.12 # <[IDC]Dragon> Once I had the function pulsing out a byte, I searched for references to that. 23.47.25 # cool 23.47.34 # <[IDC]Dragon> And found this sequence, which seems to make sense. 23.47.46 # do you think you've surrounded the whole lcd init seq ? 23.47.53 # <[IDC]Dragon> but somehow doesn't work. 23.48.38 # I have a question for you : 23.48.51 # maybe at the time we're cold starting the lcd, 23.49.11 # maybe the port B low bits aren't config'ed right for in/out, etc... ???? 23.49.28 # <[IDC]Dragon> That's a possibility, yes. 23.50.03 # ok , there are all to be outputs, but anyway :) 23.50.21 # <[IDC]Dragon> I'll review the recorder LCD changes, maybe I had to do something like this. 23.50.33 # <[IDC]Dragon> (default is all inputs) 23.50.42 # oho 23.50.46 # hm 23.51.27 # maybe a PBIOR |= 0xF; could help ? 23.51.42 # I'll try that 23.51.50 # <[IDC]Dragon> OK 23.53.24 # <[IDC]Dragon> PBCR2 &= 0xff00; /* MD = 00 */ 23.53.24 # <[IDC]Dragon> PBIOR |= 0x000f; /* IOR = 1 */ 23.53.31 # but the fact that the MOD corresponding to your file turn the lcd off sounds no good 23.53.54 # the 2 lines come from ? 23.53.57 # <[IDC]Dragon> ah, yes, correct. 23.54.17 # <[IDC]Dragon> from the recorder LCD, but I didn't put them in. 23.54.30 # <[IDC]Dragon> They've been there before. 23.55.27 # do you confirm every cmd values you gave me (from what you disass) -- if yes, I try the UCL, bypassing the MOD weird effect.. 23.56.12 # <[IDC]Dragon> you haven't tried UCL yet? 23.56.57 # with PBIOR modif ? 23.57.05 # oh 23.57.07 # <[IDC]Dragon> hmm, dunno 23.57.16 # without : yes (failed) 23.57.24 # <[IDC]Dragon> is there nothing like it? 23.57.26 # with : about to :) 23.58.06 # dragon : I meant : the values in your new file come directly from the code you disass right ? 23.58.20 # <[IDC]Dragon> yes, values and loops. 23.58.29 # ok 23.58.31 # let's go