--- Log for 05.09.103 Server: orwell.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16p1 Started: 2 days and 6 hours ago 00.33.45 Quit shaten ("Leaving") 00.41.20 Quit adi|home (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.53.02 Join adi|home [0] (~adi|home@as5300-10.216-194-24-59.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) 00.57.04 Quit knobby () 01.01.03 Join k3no [0] (trilluser@80.178.48.80.forward.012.net.il) 01.11.28 Join t-rack1 [0] (jirc@ACBA8403.ipt.aol.com) 01.11.33 Join Guest [0] (~jirc@216.52.209.222) 01.11.34 Join somf [0] (~jirc@216.52.209.222) 01.11.34 Quit somf (Remote closed the connection) 01.11.37 Quit Galik ("Client exiting") 01.11.55 # what is a ROCK file? 01.12.29 # I see next to daily bulds there are rock files 01.13.22 Quit Guest (Client Quit) 01.14.00 Join somf [0] (~jirc@216.52.209.222) 01.14.03 # hello? 01.14.10 # hey 01.14.33 # rock files are plugins 01.14.45 Join UncleSalty [0] (~raindeer@chcgil2-ar2-4-64-099-027.chcgil2.dsl-verizon.net) 01.14.48 # how do you install them? 01.15.07 # you put them in \.rockbox\rocks 01.15.11 # good afternoon everyone 01.15.24 # mmm Salty 01.15.35 # i have a question for the gang 01.15.40 # do they work on the players or just the recorders? 01.15.41 Quit T-rack ("Leaving") 01.15.41 Quit t-rack1 (Client Quit) 01.16.09 # download the one for your model, and they will all work 01.16.26 # i see on the feature list that rockbox can queue files, but i can't find how to do it... anybody know? 01.16.36 # Thanks scott666 01.16.43 # hold on and press play while in the dir browser 01.16.51 # BTW: Rockbox for governer of California - has my vote! 01.17.11 # awesome thanks! 01.17.25 # i couldn't find it in the manual.. was it in there? 01.17.30 # and if you get a daily build theres about 7 options for queueing 01.17.49 # never read the manual 01.17.51 # heh 01.18.09 # you can also rename and delete files with the on+play menu 01.18.12 # i'll get one of the newer builds then 01.18.19 # i've still got one from july i think 01.18.44 Join hardeep [0] (1098@208.247.65.237) 01.18.49 # might want to look into flashing too 01.19.03 Quit somf ("Leaving") 01.19.09 # i've thought about that.. but kinda scared 01.19.32 # did you check your flash values in debug>view HW info? 01.19.45 # yes i did 01.20.32 # the only risk is the first flash 01.20.36 # after that youre fine 01.21.20 # i know.. i flash other devices all the time.. but when it comes to my jukebox i'm protective 01.21.25 # however i think i'll do it 01.23.35 # thanks for your help scott! 01.23.46 # np 01.24.02 # props to rockbox and the gang 01.24.12 # peace out 01.24.22 Part UncleSalty 01.28.30 Join LinusN [200] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 01.40.25 Quit scott666 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.42.06 Join scott666 [0] (scott666@c-66-41-171-170.mn.client2.attbi.com) 01.44.43 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.46.16 Join diddystar5 [0] (diddystar5@AC9274D6.ipt.aol.com) 01.46.41 Quit diddystar5 (Client Quit) 01.59.14 # slow day 02.00.03 # not much time for rockbox hacking nowadays... :-( 02.00.57 Quit _aLF ("Client exiting") 02.01.14 # more debate on the mailing list than the IRC 02.01.26 # yeah 02.01.40 # but I've been somewhat at fault in that ;) 02.01.45 # hehe 02.02.04 # i have contacted Micronas, waiting for a response 02.02.13 # awesome 02.02.23 # I'm also interested in those dirt cheap speakers 02.03.18 # just trying to dig up info on the cables 02.04.40 # yeah, kind of unusual with a mini-DIN 02.05.04 # people say they work on an SBLive 5.1, which I have 02.05.15 # but the connector there is the same as the FMR 02.09.22 # do you know if the PCM input pin is wired on the recorders? 02.09.42 # there is no PCM input pin, afaik 02.10.11 # hm. I was looking at the data sheet and could have sworn I saw it 02.10.24 # or perhaps it's just a logical connection 02.21.14 # gotta get some sleep 02.21.16 # nite all 02.21.21 Part LinusN 02.21.24 # what I'm seeing is that pin 49 is a PCM input 02.34.54 Join thu [0] (~thu@h24-87-64-169.vc.shawcable.net) 02.55.33 Quit k3no (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.28.23 Join Guest25 [0] (jirc@82-39-113-14.cable.ubr03.newy.blueyonder.co.uk) 03.28.28 # hi all 03.29.29 # i have a loan of a jukebox studio 10 and have added a load of tunes to it, now i get a 'HD Error' and it won't start up, can any one advise what i should do 03.29.39 # will rockbox help to fix it ? 03.30.31 # Guest25: that usually happens when your batteries are low 03.31.03 # i have the power lead in the player 03.31.22 # the disk checks as ok in windows as works fine 03.31.47 # Guest25: so you can connect via USB? 03.31.52 # yeah 03.32.19 # Guest25: and it doesn't report an HD error? 03.33.01 # notthru usb, only when i try to turn on the unit with no usb lead in 03.33.30 # Guest25: hmmm, that's strange 03.33.58 # Guest25: sounds like some sort of a hardware issue. switching to rockbox won't help 03.34.08 # er, probably won't help 03.34.30 # the archos site says that i could format and reinstal the firmware using the 'rchos Firmware installer' 03.34.44 # ui dont seem to be able to find the installer utility any ideas where to get it from ? 03.35.08 # you just need the archos.mod file 03.35.30 # you can go ahead and grab the rockbox one, it won't hurt any to use it 03.37.53 # hmmm weird it just came on, then went off maybe it is the batteries or the charger socet 03.38.38 # should there be an icon on screen when it is charging 03.38.44 # not powered on 03.39.02 # any help much appreciated i have only lent the unit ! 03.39.07 # Guest25: yes, it should boot up to the archos charging screen 03.44.44 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.06.49 Join k3no [0] (trilluser@80.178.40.130.forward.012.net.il) 04.19.14 # . 04.19.22 # .. 04.19.30 # ... 04.26.11 Quit Guest25 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.29.53 Quit AciD- ("www.cpm-fr.com - www.acid.ht.st") 04.50.30 Quit k3no (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.51.00 Join k3no [0] (trilluser@80.178.40.130.forward.012.net.il) 05.10.48 Nick _seb_ is now known as seb-sleep (Sean@bgp421116bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 05.35.48 Quit hardeep ("[BX] I'm out like a light...") 05.44.48 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.50.52 Join k3no_ [0] (trilluser@80.178.40.130.forward.012.net.il) 05.50.52 Quit k3no (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.41.15 Join thu_ [0] (~thu@h24-87-64-169.vc.shawcable.net) 06.42.25 Join joshn [0] (joshn@204.251.225.94) 06.43.07 Quit thu (Nick collision from services.) 06.46.17 Nick thu_ is now known as thu (~thu@h24-87-64-169.vc.shawcable.net) 06.57.44 Join thu_ [0] (~thu@h24-87-64-169.vc.shawcable.net) 07.01.04 Join thu__ [0] (~thu@h24-87-64-169.vc.shawcable.net) 07.16.55 Quit thu (Connection timed out) 07.20.58 Quit thu_ (Connection timed out) 07.23.05 Join thu_ [0] (~thu@h24-87-64-169.vc.shawcable.net) 07.27.46 Quit thu__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.43.23 Join k3no [0] (trilluser@80.178.41.30.forward.012.net.il) 07.43.23 Quit k3no_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.44.51 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.07.48 Nick thu_ is now known as thu (~thu@h24-87-64-169.vc.shawcable.net) 08.13.27 Nick dw|gone_ is now known as dwihno (dwihno@h193180246067.kommunicera.umea.se) 08.16.20 Quit joshn (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 08.45.19 Join Kinslayer [0] (dragon@wastelands.net) 08.50.09 Join matsl [0] (~matsl@dhcp88.contactor.se) 09.01.57 Join joshn [0] (joshn@204.251.225.94) 09.31.57 Join knobby [0] (~knobby@gso26-201-245.triad.rr.com) 09.33.01 Join k3no_ [0] (trilluser@80.178.48.53.forward.012.net.il) 09.39.39 Join whiskas [0] (~radu@adonix.cs.unibuc.ro) 09.39.42 # hello 09.39.50 # so what's going on here? 09.39.55 Quit k3no_ (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.39.59 # Not much. Watching the game, having a bud' ;) 09.40.08 # true, true 09.40.12 # :) 09.41.36 Join Malphas__ [0] (~s@kangourou.sntteam.org) 09.43.21 # WHAZZAAAAAAAA! 09.43.36 # :)))) 09.43.48 # argg.. -scared and runs off- 09.44.52 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.45.36 Quit whiskas ("brb") 09.49.22 Quit scott666 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.51.31 Quit k3no (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.51.31 Quit joshn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.43.02 Quit thu ("zZz") 11.44.56 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.49.42 # can anyone help me with a panic ata: -31 error? 13.01.49 Join AciD [0] (~Gni@ANantes-106-1-21-20.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) 13.13.44 Join Bagder [0] (~daniel@c25025a.hud.bostream.se) 13.17.39 # hey Bagder, would you happen to know anything about ata panics? :) 13.18.02 # not a lot, but I can try 13.19.52 # well, I keep getting a panic when i boot. ata: -31 13.20.20 # it's due to a busy status when entering check_registers 13.20.45 # but right before the call, there is a wait_for_bsy, so it doesn't seem logical 13.21.54 # :) 13.21.54 # I agree 13.21.55 # seems odd 13.23.34 # I warn you now though, I'm porting rockbox atm so it very well could be the different arch... 13.23.46 # aha 13.24.03 # it could very well be an explanation, yes 13.24.10 # but I have the same cpu, adc, etc, etc 13.24.23 # same ata stuff too? 13.25.00 # as far as I know 13.25.02 # :) 13.27.32 # it sees a master hd at address 0x206 13.27.44 # then panics 13.28.09 # you tried skipping the test? 13.29.10 # I've tried forcing settings, but I haven't tried to skip the register check yet 13.29.52 # trying that now 13.30.07 # I bet it fails in the next function then 13.30.43 # panic disk: NULL :) 13.31.30 # ok 13.31.34 # disk_init() fails 13.32.44 # bad boot sector signature 13.38.02 # it seems to toss up the busy flag when it wants to 13.38.12 # freeze_lock just died due to timeout 13.44.56 # any idea where the addresses for the ATA registers came from? how were they determined? 13.44.58 *** No seen item changed, no save performed. 13.45.14 # some kind of docs Björn has 14.07.23 Quit satino ("Client exiting") 14.15.15 Join Smabbage [0] (~jirc@63.175.92.130) 14.15.40 # Question: 14.16.03 Join Galik [0] (~galik@195.137.124.20) 14.16.17 # On the player version of the Rockbox, where can I find the option for deep charge or normal charge? 14.16.28 # you can't 14.16.36 # the charging is controlled by hw on that unit 14.16.51 # Darn! 14.17.20 # Oh well, all the other features make up for it. :) 14.17.25 # :-) 14.18.16 # I've only had it on the player a day . Hope to play with it this afternoon and try to figure out how to make the resume feature work. I have a Studio 20 14.19.06 # resume should work once you enable the option 14.19.20 # and allow the disk to save the option when you stop/pause the playback 14.20.45 # Ok. Thanks. I'll try it a little later. Sitting at work at the moment. :P 14.20.57 # hehe 14.27.00 Join edx [0] (edx@pD9EA990A.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.27.43 Quit Smabbage ("Leaving") 15.10.24 Join satino [0] (~martin@0x50c4991f.adsl-fixed.tele.dk) 15.45.00 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.45.41 Join LinusN [200] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 16.00.39 Join webmind_ [0] (webmind@seal.student.utwente.nl) 16.00.40 Quit webmind (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.15.10 Quit Galik ("Client exiting") 16.16.01 Join Quelsaruk [20] (~Swordmast@faerun.ugr.es) 16.16.11 # good afternoon to all :) 16.16.43 # 'ello 16.18.01 Part LinusN 16.21.32 Join heiner-ich [0] (diego@tucan.physik.uni-giessen.de) 16.22.20 # Hi! 16.22.46 # Does anyone know when a new version of rockbox will be released? 16.22.59 # there's no set date 16.23.05 # so no one can know 16.24.08 # heiner-ich: why do you ask ? are you experiencing bugs ? 16.24.24 # if you want a new version, you can try to get a CVS version or a bleeding edge 16.25.26 # nor even you Bagder? 16.25.46 # Quelsaruk: we don't set release dates long in advance 16.25.52 # so no 16.26.46 # heh 16.26.50 # i know :P 16.27.10 # but I think we should start thinking about making a release soon 16.27.14 # so i still have an oportunity to end my gfx menu... some day 16.27.25 # that would be nice 16.27.40 # are we still in 2.0 official release? 16.27.43 # gfx menu ? 16.27.51 # Quelsaruk: yes 16.28.00 # uski: a paranoid idea i had once 16.28.08 # tell me more plz :) 16.28.33 # Bagder: would you mind waiting 'till first week of October? 16.29.06 # i'll be stablished in Portugal for that date and have enough spare time for the manual 16.29.11 # we haven't discussed this lately, so I think it'll last until then whatever we do before we get a release together 16.30.21 # :) 16.32.33 # just to tell i am about to test the new firmware to see if the new method for detecting ATA works or not (it no longer probes); where to report the results ? 16.36.19 # brb 16.36.20 Quit uski ("Fermeture du client") 16.38.40 Join Bu88a1 [0] (~jirc@cbord.com) 16.43.19 Nick dwihno is now known as dw|gone (dwihno@h193180246067.kommunicera.umea.se) 16.44.02 Quit Malphas__ ("Preparing subject to return IRL .... CLACK") 16.45.58 # Anyone know if Uwe's RTC alarm mod code still in rockbox? 16.46.42 # I think it is 16.47.22 Quit Bagder ("http://daniel.haxx.se") 16.48.58 # it should be 16.50.30 # Yea I just CVS'd the code and found rtc.c etc. thanks 16.52.00 Join mecraw [0] (~mecraw@69.2.235.2) 16.53.45 # for me a new release would be nice, because I the new features may be usefull. Concrete bugs I could not find. 16.54.50 Quit Bu88a1 ("Leaving") 16.56.27 Join uski [0] (~moo@gandalf.digital-network.org) 16.56.40 # is it known that the "red led of death" did not happen on rockbox 1.3 ? 16.56.52 # i installed rockbox 2.0 recently and it is since this setup that i experience this problem 16.58.55 # ummm 16.58.58 # not shure 16.59.24 # have you tried zagor's special releases? 16.59.44 # he tries to seek and destroy that nasty bug 17.01.15 # hmmm i did not know that there was a special release, where to find it ? im reading the mailling list archives currently 17.02.09 # actually i'm playing with my brother's archos as i did not receive mine, and he told me "hey since you updated the firmware it freeze !" "how does it freeze ? the red led light up then boom ?" "yea exactly" 17.02.50 # (im using the lastest cvs build right now, i'd like to see if it improves the situation or not :)) 17.04.45 # umm 17.04.47 # dunno 17.04.53 # i don't have that problem 17.05.08 # ok :) 17.05.18 # does Zagor come on IRC ? 17.06.22 # yups 17.06.28 # most mornings 17.06.45 # (morning in sweden) 17.09.05 # ok 17.18.49 # uski: where are you from? 17.18.58 # (i have a theory) 17.19.05 Join LinusN [200] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 17.19.14 # i ONLY get red led when its either very cold, or very hot 17.19.14 Quit heiner-ich (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.22.26 # France 17.22.32 # want my room temperature ? :) 17.22.44 # hmm anyway it is interesting. 17.23.01 # some components like resistors or capacitors might have a high thermal coefficient 17.23.16 # it may change their value enough to make problems like: failling CPU clock, ... 17.23.45 # also, the current appeal made when the disk starts up might be the condition to crash the box, after the components values were modified by temperature. 17.23.51 # that's a theroy :) 17.26.27 # you know what ? i will put my jukebox in the fridge ! 17.26.37 # i'll see if it crashes after this 17.28.01 # heh 17.28.12 # it will get condensation in the fridge:) 17.28.29 # hmmm right, i'll put it into a sealed bag 17.28.40 # of course it will be OFF and i'll switch it on after 17.28.55 # do you have any silica gel? 17.28.56 # i do the test now :) 17.28.59 # brb 17.29.01 # like you get with trainers 17.29.03 # hmmmm yea 17.29.08 # i should find this somewhere 17.29.11 # good idea :) 17.29.15 # brb in 3mins 17.30.26 # if uou do the test, remove the batteries before putting th archos into the fridge 17.30.39 # also, the LCD might look weird when cold, but it is reversible, it cannot be damaged 17.31.09 # it could be you upgraded the firmware just when france had that heat wave 17.31.47 Quit matsl (Remote closed the connection) 17.45.02 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.45.21 # nope 17.45.26 # i updated it like 2-3 days ago 17.46.03 # (it's in the fridge now, i soldered a static-shield bag so no humidity can enter) 17.46.16 # i'll tell you the results this evening if you're here ;) 17.46.17 # gtg 17.53.51 # time to go 17.53.51 # cu! 17.53.51 Part Quelsaruk (""Eve's Avatar - Avatar's Eve"") 18.30.04 Join _aLF [0] (~alexandre@AGrenoble-203-1-18-24.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr) 19.26.41 Quit AciD ("www.cpm-fr.com - www.acid.ht.st") 19.29.05 Nick LinusN is now known as LinusN|away (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 19.33.36 Join AciD [0] (~Gni@ANantes-106-1-21-20.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) 19.45.05 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.10.27 Join Quelsaruk [20] (~Swordmast@faerun.ugr.es) 21.10.32 # hi 21.10.39 # ... again 21.11.36 # hi 21.11.38 # again 21.24.16 Join Thernadrim [0] (~webch914@125.Red-80-34-1.pooles.rima-tde.net) 21.24.58 #>> "explain Quelsaruk" by Quelsaruk (~Swordmast@faerun.ugr.es) 21.25.54 # time to go! 21.25.57 # cu! 21.26.42 # logbot: explain Plugh 21.26.48 # logbot: hello 21.26.52 Part Quelsaruk (""Eve's Avatar - Avatar's Eve"") 21.28.02 Quit Thernadrim (Client Quit) 21.33.18 Quit seb-sleep (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.45.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.47.30 Join AciD- [0] (~Gni@ANantes-106-1-31-8.w81-51.abo.wanadoo.fr) 21.50.55 Join Beau [0] (Beau@cust143-108.dsl.versadsl.be) 21.51.08 Part Beau 22.04.59 Quit AciD (Connection timed out) 22.14.41 Join [IDC]Dragon [0] (~idc-drago@pD9FF8AA5.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.19.44 Part LinusN|away 22.31.28 # <[IDC]Dragon> Hello uski, do you read? 23.16.41 Quit _aLF ("Client exiting") 23.18.58 Join hardeep [0] (1098@208.247.65.237) 23.19.41 # <[IDC]Dragon> Anybody with a flashed FM here? 23.20.27 # I have a non-flashed fm 23.20.45 # <[IDC]Dragon> Why? ;-) 23.20.55 # cuz I'm chicken-shit 23.21.03 # <[IDC]Dragon> :( 23.21.36 # well, I generally run a build that is 1-2 checkins behind bleeding edge\ 23.24.26 # if it'll help you out, I'll flash now 23.24.53 # <[IDC]Dragon> Not if you're uncomfortable with it. 23.25.04 # <[IDC]Dragon> There are others I can ask. 23.25.06 # actually, I was going to the other day 23.25.12 # but I couldn't find the ucl 23.26.18 # wanna give me a hand with this? 23.26.45 # <[IDC]Dragon> Have you downloaded my pachage and read the instructions? 23.26.51 # <[IDC]Dragon> package 23.27.23 # nope 23.27.38 # <[IDC]Dragon> required. ;-) 23.27.46 # point me 23.28.05 # <[IDC]Dragon> http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/flash.html 23.28.27 # <[IDC]Dragon> I'll have to update it. 23.32.24 # oh. joy. I gotta install ucl 23.32.51 # <[IDC]Dragon> Only if you want to complile. 23.33.13 # I always compile my own build 23.33.27 # <[IDC]Dragon> Linux or Win? 23.33.48 # generally Linux 23.33.52 # occasionally win 23.34.13 # I have 3 rockbox devel environments 23.34.29 # <[IDC]Dragon> For linux, you'd need to compile it. For Win, no, just copy it to the SH compilers. 23.34.43 # compiling now 23.35.26 # [IDC]Dragon: im there, hi ! 23.35.54 # <[IDC]Dragon> Just send you email with updated RockFlash. 23.36.21 # ok :) 23.36.41 # i'll try to find what does not work with my jukebox this week end 23.37.07 # i'll receive my recorder 20 the 20/09 (approx), i'll flash it :) 23.39.58 Join phalan [0] (~q@modemcable181.110-202-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca) 23.40.03 # <[IDC]Dragon> I thought you're working on some half dead player or so? 23.41.01 # i have the Jukebox Studio 20...And I put in the latest rockbox...i have only 1 question...how do i turn the thing off? It used to be On & Stop...how do i shut it off with rockbox 23.41.27 # hm, uclpack isn't available 23.41.47 # <[IDC]Dragon> Plugh,: why not? 23.41.47 # uclpack? 23.42.01 # dunno. I just built ucl-1.01 23.42.03 # [IDC]Dragon: i am, but i'll receive a new archos too, and i also have a working jukebox 6000 23.42.18 # <[IDC]Dragon> A collector... 23.42.29 # (so i have 3 archos: a half dead player, a working player, and my new one :) 23.42.31 # yeaa ;) 23.44.16 # found it 23.45.07 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.47.28 # how do i turn off the j studio 20 with rockbox 23.48.40 Join hanzz [0] (~hanzz@withaar.student.utwente.nl) 23.48.56 # hold the stop button 23.49.23 # thank you 23.49.28 Quit phalan () 23.49.38 # [IDC]Dragon: odd. I put the rockbox.ucl in the root dir and ran rockbox_flash, but it says there's no image available 23.52.56 # <[IDC]Dragon> Plugh: RTFM 23.53.02 Join klax0n [0] (~klaxon@66.88.20.185) 23.53.03 # working on it 23.53.23 # I didn't have firmware_fm.bin in there 23.53.32 # w00t! jbr 15g $160 at fry's 23.53.38 # or... wait 23.53.41 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 23.53.41 # * klax0n can't wait!! 23.53.45 # not you 23.53.47 # heh 23.54.20 # half price and i can pick my own font! take that apple! 23.54.38 # you can also upgrade the hard drive to 80gig 23.55.05 # here in SF there are soooo many ipod lamers. easy to spot: 23.55.16 # heh. same here in SJ ;) 23.55.20 # they rock those ghay earbuds. 23.55.31 # $160 only ???!!! 23.55.33 # damn 23.55.36 # w00t!! 23.55.41 # next time i have to buy an archos, i import it ! :) 23.56.27 # the jbr 15g, is discontinued? well i don't care, it's usb 2.0 23.56.53 # i just bought a jbr 20 for $300 23.56.58 # ..