--- Log for 03.10.103 Server: orwell.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16p1 Started: 1 month and 0 days ago 00.23.20 # webmind: But does your archos make clicking sounds when accessing the disk? 00.26.06 Quit _aLF ("Client exiting") 01.02.18 Join Track [0] (jirc@ACBA172F.ipt.aol.com) 01.02.46 # hi 01.03.22 Quit AciD ("www.cpm-fr.com") 01.03.28 Quit mecraw ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)") 01.03.58 Join BoD[] [0] (~BoD@m33.net81-67-42.noos.fr) 01.04.00 # yo yo yo 01.04.09 # hi 01.05.39 Nick BoD[] is now known as BoD[dvd_i_guess] (~BoD@m33.net81-67-42.noos.fr) 01.20.30 Quit Track ("Leaving") 01.32.57 Join yeft [0] (nospin@AC8BB662.ipt.aol.com) 01.33.05 # yizzo my rizzzzzo 01.33.18 # anyone here who can help with patching.... 01.33.22 # (heres the catch) 01.33.29 # on WINDOWS! 01.33.31 # lol 01.37.04 Quit yeft (Client Quit) 01.45.16 Join Dude1 [0] (~jirc@pm475-29.dialip.mich.net) 01.54.59 Quit edx () 01.57.29 Join nifti [0] (nifti@h183n2fls305o1037.telia.com) 01.59.02 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.59.21 Quit Galik ("Client exiting") 02.04.46 # Anyone know a good mass-conversion script from ogg->mp3? 02.04.56 # I'm lazy, don't feel like making one. 02.08.19 Quit Dude1 ("Leaving") 02.09.00 # hmm 02.09.35 # i've got one i wrote, you may not like it or at least wanna modify it.. i haven't used it in a while either there may even be broken things about it... 02.09.39 # but here 02.10.27 # ze: Well... does it set the ID3 tags correctly? 02.10.31 # That's all I need really. 02.10.34 # i think it depends on it being properly tagged too 02.10.40 # Hm. 02.10.51 # it takes *.ogg and gives you Artist/Album/#-track.mp3 02.10.52 # Damn. Not sure all this stuff is tagged. 02.10.56 # and yeah, tagged too 02.11.09 # (Random stuff from various sources). 02.11.23 # well how's it gonna get auto-tagged if it's not already tagged? heh 02.12.01 Join soaponachain88j [0] (soaponacha@c68.113.233.28.stp.wi.charter.com) 02.12.02 # Well, I just want it to preserve tags on those files that do have them. 02.12.11 # hey all 02.12.17 # well accept the dcc 02.12.23 # Hm. 02.12.25 # take a look and see what you can do with it *shrug* 02.12.43 # Thanks :) 02.12.54 # hey does anyone have a range when the next rockbox 2.0 will be released? 02.13.46 # rockbox 2.0's been out for a long time 02.13.46 # heh 02.14.01 # arg i mean 2.1 sorry lol 02.14.12 # ah, well, no idea, sorry 02.14.12 # heh 02.14.17 # ok 02.14.51 # do you know if you guys could make rockbox for that av player by archos? 02.15.16 # big differences in hardware, and nobody knows the firmware format 02.15.28 # oo yea that thing looks rad though 02.15.33 # last i heard, so don't hold your breath 02.15.33 # heh 02.16.05 # what the heck is CVS i always wondered 02.16.10 # im a n00b ah 02.16.16 # concurent versioning system 02.16.23 # is that automated 02.16.32 # it's a method of keeping source that's easy to update by multiple developers 02.16.45 # o cool 02.17.09 # it's basically the live source tree, updated as development happens more or less 02.17.20 # so if you want the absolute latest, you can get it from cvs 02.17.50 # yea i do that about once a week but theres never anything new in it 02.18.11 # it can also handle branches and tags, so you can have multiple source trees that don't effect each other, or you can choose to download a version from any particular day or whatnot 02.18.26 # there is, there's been several new things go in recently 02.19.41 # o sweet im gonna do that now do you know any off-hand? 02.19.55 # well a couple patches got merged 02.19.57 # i forget what 02.20.06 # thats cool 02.20.18 # dammit i cant find my usb cord haha 02.21.13 # ok i got it lol 02.21.40 # what archos model do you have? 02.22.24 # heh 02.22.27 # i don't have one anymore 02.22.35 # haha did you fry it? 02.22.54 # i had a studio20 for a long time, and then it quit charging so i took it in and bestbuy replaced it with an fm rec 02.23.09 # then the fm rec's harddrive went dead, so i took it in again and they gave me a creative njb zen 02.23.31 # cool 02.23.31 # which has been pretty good so far, but i wish it had opensource firmware hehe 02.23.41 # i need to understand something.. 02.24.18 # when you flash your archos does that basically preload and keep the firmware in the memory or what? 02.24.30 # there's ROM that keeps default firmware 02.24.42 # it comes with a version of the archos firmware there 02.25.03 # which it boots first, and which looks for a firmware file on the harddrive to load, or just keeps loading itself if there is none 02.25.19 # flashing replaces the archos firmware there with rockbox 02.25.30 # so it doesn't have to wait to be loaded off the HD and such 02.26.00 # o thats cool 02.26.06 # i get it now duh haha 02.26.17 # god how do ppl figure this crazy shit out? 02.26.18 # haha 02.26.30 # heh 02.26.45 # it's not that crazy, lots of things do similar stuff 02.27.12 # well i mean like coding and all these guys are smart 02.27.25 # yes they are 02.27.25 # hehe 02.27.28 Join diddystar5 [0] (diddystar5@ACAEFFE9.ipt.aol.com) 02.27.57 # sup plugh 02.28.28 # are you a coder or something ze? 02.28.32 # not really 02.28.44 # i've done a tiny bit, and contributed a few ideas and such 02.28.53 # im sorta of a coder 02.28.58 # i'm mostly just a long-time fan of rockbox 02.29.23 # yea rockbox well , rocks ha 02.29.23 # i decided on the archos for xmas of 2001 because i looked at it and just knew that it was gonna be hax0r3d 02.29.30 # hah 02.29.31 # yea 02.29.43 # shortly after i found bjorn's page with a little LED blinking firmware and tried it out 02.29.50 # i got mine for my birthday its the jukebox 500 its old lol 02.30.04 # haha o yea tha first thing 02.30.16 # so i've been a fan ever since 02.30.16 # hehe 02.30.33 # me too 02.30.46 # i remember the LED blinker ;) 02.31.04 # i also owned a jb5000 back then 02.31.10 # now i have a recorder 20 02.31.35 # i want that av thing its so rad 02.32.04 # but it only has 3-4 hours of battery life :( 02.32.06 # god its like 900$$ 02.32.09 # yea that sucks 02.32.19 # that like 1 movies worth 02.33.18 # o no wait its $300 02.33.34 # heh 02.33.44 # i looked at the crazy video recored 02.33.49 # recorder* 02.33.50 # personally, i'm waiting for a few generations to go by in the all-in-one mobile devices 02.34.12 # that have the big screen and pda and movie player and etc functionality and with standardized expandability and etc 02.34.28 Quit dsg ("foo") 02.34.43 # yea like that nokia thing 02.35.04 # what nokia thing? 02.35.13 # heh 02.35.53 # i forgot what its called 02.36.04 # its like a gameboyphone thing 02.36.09 # heh 02.36.48 # the n-gage here it is 02.36.50 # http://www.n-gage.com/R1/en/home.html 02.38.17 # heh 02.38.23 # man 02.38.35 # ze: have you played with my vu meter it's in the patches now! 02.38.37 # its kinda cool i guess 02.38.45 # why does EVERY single mobile device have to be modled by laura croft? 02.38.50 # hahah 02.38.59 # whats a vu meter diddy? 02.39.13 # diddystar5: no i haven't, but i don't have an archos :/ heh 02.39.30 # ? 02.39.46 # soaponachain88j: it's a meter with a needle that moves with the level of the volume 02.40.02 # only for the recorder though.... 02.40.06 # o for better than jukebox im guessing 02.40.08 # haha 02.40.23 # how'd you do it? i thought they said you couldn't get that kinda data to do such things with 02.40.52 # no works fine and it's a plugin 02.41.01 # couldn't you do a thing with lines sortof like the winamp vis thing like that? 02.41.22 # and like other kinds of vis 02.41.22 # heh 02.41.40 # shit that jumps to beats and stuff... ? 02.42.35 # err do you mean the spectrum annalizer? 02.42.39 # hehe i always want everything to be way more/better than what it is 02.43.02 # diddystar5: well thats what it is in winamp, but i mean you could fake the same kinda look anyway 02.43.37 # how do i install a plugin onto my jukebox ? 02.43.42 # well not really since that much information cannot be read from the mas all the lines would be the same levle 02.43.45 # or a ptch rather? 02.43.49 # patch** 02.44.06 # soaponachain88j: got to the daily builds and download a full build for your player 02.44.11 # diddystar5: well you'd make it be like 1 line and scroll or be placed randomly or some other such trick to make it look good heh 02.44.41 # soaponachain88j: you have to know how to compile rockbox, unless the person that made the patch made a precompiled version 02.44.46 # yea i have that but i mean like when i go to patches and theres a .rocks and a .c file 02.44.54 # o 02.45.05 # the .rock files you can use 02.45.17 # .c files are source code 02.45.24 # are the .c for compiling? 02.45.30 # ahh ok 02.45.50 # will the vu meter work on a jukebox 02.45.51 # ? 02.45.56 # there aren't very many plugins for the players 02.46.00 # o 02.46.19 # soaponachain88j: no the players lcd isn't good enough to make it works 02.46.23 # *work 02.46.29 # ahh i thought so 02.46.38 # do you know of any that i could use/? 02.46.51 # soaponachain88j: one minute 02.46.55 # ok 02.47.22 # hmm 02.47.36 # wait, it's not for the players just cause of the LCD? 02.47.41 # shit, use a custom char 02.48.08 # whats that haha 02.48.11 # ze: just the lcd everything but the lcd would work 02.48.32 # the players lcd screen sucks 02.48.42 # soaponachain88j: the player's LCD is charcell, it can't do graphics, just text in a predefined font 02.48.52 # that sucsk 02.48.53 # but there's 4 or 8 (depending the model) custom chars that you can define 02.48.54 # sucks* 02.48.56 # at a time 02.48.57 # o 02.48.58 # see http://rockbox.haxx.se/screenshots/ 02.49.08 # all those are the looks of the recorder screen 02.49.12 # and you can change them as much as you like 02.49.26 # so if you display a custom char on the screen, you can draw to it and animate it and all 02.49.32 # that should be just fine for a VU meter 02.49.33 # thats cool 02.49.43 # man now i want a recorder 02.50.07 # ze: not enough room on that screen for the needles 02.50.21 # there are only 2 lines on the player screen 02.50.29 # o well i g2g bye guys 02.50.30 Quit soaponachain88j ("—I-n-v-i-s-i-o-n— 2.0 Build 2520") 02.50.35 # lemme see a shot of the VU meter on the recorder 02.50.48 # i wouldn't think it'd be the same style on a player but still possible 02.50.52 # ok give me a minute to compile a simulator 02.51.08 # each char is 7 pixels tall 02.51.24 # so if you used 2 chars stacked on top of each other you've got 15 levels (counting 0) 02.53.00 # still youll see... 02.53.17 # i'm sure i will, but still like i said it could be a different style 02.53.18 # heh 02.53.38 # like a line or bar that goes up and down instead of a needling going back and forth or whatever it is 02.53.53 # better than nothing 02.55.01 Join Guest [0] (kenney10@66-159-173-190.adsl.snet.net) 02.55.02 # argg the win32 sim won't compile since games_menu was removed... 02.55.07 Quit Guest (Client Quit) 02.55.08 # heh 02.55.27 # but if you saw it you would see why it just wouldn't works 02.55.48 # but i think a simple peakmeter for the player is possible 02.56.07 # * diddystar5 might give that a try 02.57.06 # hi did 02.57.10 # thanks for the props 02.57.28 # sure plugh 02.57.45 # i have been thinking about the logarithmic scale 02.57.55 # oh? 02.58.04 # yes it sounds hard... 02.58.13 # I came to the same conclusion 02.58.23 # I found the formulae for it 02.58.32 # really? 02.58.42 # yeah. That's not the hard part 02.58.51 # I need to find a baseline 02.59.06 # so 0 volume? 02.59.12 # yeah 02.59.22 # i don't think thats very hard 02.59.40 # I need to find what the corresponding register value is to 0dB 02.59.57 # from there I can work the calculations 03.00.11 # not 0 volume. 0dB 03.00.15 # make a simple plugin that displays the levle coming out of the mas_readreg code when there is nothing playing(or playing something with no volume) 03.00.47 # why? 03.00.51 # that's in the debug menu 03.01.03 # o n/m 03.02.40 # did you read that i wanted to set a button to go from lagarithmic to linear? 03.02.50 # yeah 03.02.57 # good call 03.03.01 # maybe f3 03.03.09 # it works kinda well as is for listining to rock music 03.03.22 # sure. For any music 03.03.37 # it doesn't work well for levels monitoring though 03.03.51 # which is kinda the point of a vu meter, imo 03.04.10 # at least for my desired use 03.04.29 # Plugh: gotta go to order a pizza ill be back later 03.04.34 # ok 03.04.38 # bye! 03.04.41 Part diddystar5 ("Client exiting") 03.24.42 Nick BoD[dvd_i_guess] is now known as BoD[] (~BoD@m33.net81-67-42.noos.fr) 03.48.27 Quit hardeep ("[BX] He-Man uses BitchX. *HE HAS THE POOWWEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRR!!!!!*") 03.59.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.08.33 Join scott666 [0] (scott666@c-66-41-171-170.mn.client2.attbi.com) 05.59.08 *** No seen item changed, no save performed. 06.11.45 Quit BoD[] ("TCL 4EVA") 07.22.20 Quit scott666 ("i'll be back...eventually...") 07.59.13 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.32.10 Nick dw|gone is now known as dwihno (dwihno@h193180246067.kommunicera.umea.se) 08.32.21 # Way! 08.44.39 Quit uski (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.10.42 Join Il [0] (jirc@162.Red-213-98-121.pooles.rima-tde.net) 09.11.01 # hi everybody 09.11.35 # i've got a problem with my jukebox 09.12.04 # it doesn't pass the version screen 09.59.15 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.05.50 Join matsl [0] (~matsl@dhcp86.contactor.se) 10.05.52 Join matsl_ [0] (~matsl@dhcp86.contactor.se) 10.07.08 Quit matsl_ (Client Quit) 10.27.16 Quit Il (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.33.00 Join Galik [0] (~galik@195.137.124.20) 11.37.43 Join track1 [0] (jirc@ACBFFC12.ipt.aol.com) 11.37.48 Quit track1 (Client Quit) 11.59.19 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.03.18 Join edx [0] (edx@pD9EAB73B.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.48.20 Join jayjaye_ [0] (~jayjayem@host81-128-65-221.in-addr.btopenworld.com) 12.49.00 # can anyone tell me if the tiny delay between tracks is an architectural limitation of the archos? 13.10.59 # nope 13.11.09 # its a factor of how you rip your mp3s 13.13.48 Join xam [0] (~xam@tqpc.ucc.ie) 13.13.49 Quit xam (Client Quit) 13.18.09 Join AciD [0] (~acid@longchamp44-1-82-67-133-87.fbx.proxad.net) 13.41.31 # i have no gaps in my mp3s, but i get gaps when listening on my archos 13.41.57 # gapless playback requires sequential mp3s 13.42.08 # you cant have gapless playback with non sequential mp3s 13.42.18 # what does 'sequential' mean? 13.42.29 # track 1 is followed by track 3 13.42.30 # er 13.42.31 # track 1 is followed by track 2 13.42.34 # :)))))) 13.42.37 # oh, i have that 13.42.47 # i listen to them in order 13.42.56 # and there is a tiny gap 13.43.02 # you notice it on mixed cds 13.43.03 # how did you encocde them gapless? 13.43.40 # i encoded them as i encode all my mp3s 13.43.51 # but there is no gap at the end of the track 13.43.54 # ie they play gapless on my pc 13.44.00 # (bear in mind that this is (mostly) fruitless, rockbox has very little to do with mp3s, we just feed raw data into a chip) 13.44.04 # what encoder tho 13.44.10 # lame 13.44.10 # with what options 13.44.24 # don't have them to hand, but it does play gaples on my pc 13.46.36 # because it's such a small delay (about half a beat at 140bpm) i thought maybe it was an arch. limitation 13.49.33 # http://lame.sourceforge.net/tech-FAQ.txt may be relevant 13.49.42 # can i ask what kind of music it is? 13.59.21 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.18.34 Join k3no [0] (trilluser@80.178.49.183.forward.012.net.il) 14.50.32 # it's premixed dance music 14.50.45 # so a delay is undesired 14.52.11 # thanks for the FAQ 15.01.28 Join dsg [0] (~david@a194-109-195-187.adsl.xs4all.nl) 15.09.02 Quit matsl ("Client Exiting") 15.18.34 # Has anyone had problems with battery measurements with a flashed recorder? 15.19.20 # After I flashed mine, it seems to drain batteries really fast. I just reflashed the original firmware, and the battery meter now shows 9%, where it showed 56% with rockbox flashed. 15.19.39 # So I'm guessing it measures incorrectly so it stops charging too soon. 15.22.19 # Hmh. And now it jumped to 33%. 15.22.43 # But still, I just took it out of charging this morning, and used it maybe two hours. 15.58.15 Quit Galik ("Client exiting") 15.59.22 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.00.42 Join edx` [0] (edx@pD9EA9B74.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.16.15 Join uski [0] (~moo@gandalf.digital-network.org) 16.16.24 # hi all 16.16.30 # i'd like to know sth 16.16.51 # is the warrant sticker easy to remove ? and can it be sticked again ? 16.17.01 # i'd like to remove it, remove the screw hidden by it, then put the stocker on the hole 16.18.01 Quit edx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.18.34 Nick edx` is now known as edx (edx@pD9EA9B74.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.27.37 Quit k3no (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 16.39.14 Quit jayjaye_ () 16.52.29 Nick dwihno is now known as dw|gone (dwihno@h193180246067.kommunicera.umea.se) 17.07.02 Quit uski ("Fermeture du client") 17.21.06 Join uski [0] (~moo@gandalf.digital-network.org) 17.23.00 Quit uski (Client Quit) 17.23.47 Join mecraw [0] (~mecraw@69.2.235.2) 17.32.16 Join uski [0] (~moo@gandalf.digital-network.org) 17.32.26 # AAAAAAAHHH my newly bought recorder is not flashable 17.32.29 # GRRRRR 17.32.40 # damn i thought i could work on rockflash 17.56.48 # GRRR 17.56.50 # Filesystem panic (dev 08:01). 17.56.50 # fat_free: deleting beyond EOF 17.56.50 # File system has been set read-only 17.56.54 # * uski hates archos 17.57.13 # does anybody knows how to format the harddrive using linux ? 17.59.25 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.59.41 # uski: Sure... use mkfs.msdos 17.59.57 # ok thanks 18.00.09 # mkfs.msdis -F 32 for 32-bit FAT. 18.00.13 # msdos even ;) 18.00.29 # btw: always mount your usb drives with the sync option... it will prevent a lot of trouble if you are forced to unplug the device.......... 18.00.52 # Hm... yeah... I guess that's a good idea. 18.01.02 # mkfs.msdos /dev/sda1 ? 18.01.07 # Also probably not that big a performance impact since it's so damned slow already. 18.01.18 # I'd add "-F 32" to the commandline... 18.01.22 # ok 18.01.29 # Otherwise yes. 18.03.21 # ok, let's do it then 18.07.04 # worked 18.07.10 # :)) thanks 18.07.13 # oi 18.07.16 # np 18.07.16 # io :) 18.07.19 # webmind: Eyh. :) 18.13.48 # * webmind in munchen atm 18.14.25 # webmind: k. 18.14.32 # webmind: What are you doing there? 18.14.38 # good question :) 18.14.44 # crashinh for one 18.14.48 # maybe something else 18.14.50 # Mkay ;) 18.14.54 # Sounds fun. 18.14.55 # oktoberfest here it seems 18.15.05 # dsg, i hope it'll be fun yes :) 18.15.22 # there have been arests of some of the group during the trip :) 18.15.35 # Oh? 18.15.37 # What for? 18.16.36 # uhm 18.16.38 Join MP3glee [0] (~jirc@66.28.226.77) 18.16.45 # depends 18.16.56 # this gut was in this one building 18.16.58 # guy 18.17.01 # with some people 18.17.04 # then cops came 18.17.09 # and arrested them 18.18.23 # Hey- I have the newly redesigned Jukebox Player 20 V2 18.18.48 # Came with OS 1.40a 18.19.25 # Trying to load ROCKbox on it 18.19.49 # MP3glee: and ? does something fails ? 18.19.55 # Does not recognize (boot) the abjrec.ajz 18.20.08 # ... or perhaps I haven't thought of something. 18.20.09 # yes, ajbrec.ajz is for RECORDERS :) 18.20.19 # you must use archos.mod for players 18.20.26 # Oh, sorry, this is the Jukebox RECORDER 20 V2 18.20.37 # called Archos, they said uses the same system, 18.20.43 # hmmm 18.20.51 # and should load firmware from AJBREC.AJZ 18.20.55 # you put the ajbrec.ajz on the root directory ? 18.21.03 # Ype 18.21.05 # yep 18.21.17 # stupid question: you restarted the recorder after doing so ? 18.21.32 # (off/on) 18.21.35 # I'm a longtime Archos owner - owned the player/fmrecorder/recorder 18.21.40 # Yep. Rebooted. 18.21.50 # ok.. 18.21.51 # MP3glee, your a rich archos owner? :) 18.22.28 # Not rich - My archos purchases are funded by trading in used audio equipment 18.23.55 # Photo of new recorder at file://anonymous@sharphouse.dyndns.org/public/rec20v2.jpg 18.24.02 # brb, i have to reboot (my stupid belkin usb card does not want to work in usb 2.0 mode) 18.24.28 # you mean http:// instead of file:// 18.24.40 # ftp 18.24.45 # No.. I mean ftp. Yep. 18.25.31 # (does not work for me, brb after rebooting) 18.25.33 Quit uski ("Fermeture du client") 18.25.33 # ftp://anonymous@sharphouse.dyndns.org/public/rec20v2.jpg 18.25.58 # Manual at... 18.26.33 # ftp://anonymous@sharphouse.dyndns.org/EN_Jukebox_Recorder_2_v10.pdf 18.27.18 # Doesn't work here - we're both NATted out. 18.41.04 Quit MP3glee ("Leaving") 18.53.40 Join MattF [0] (~jirc@cpc2-heck1-4-0-cust202.hudd.cable.ntl.com) 18.57.52 # Lo all! 19.04.58 Join uski [0] (~moo@gandalf.digital-network.org) 19.05.02 # hi again :) 19.05.12 # "it's me" 19.09.16 Join MP3glee [0] (~jirc@66.28.226.77) 19.11.15 Quit MP3glee (Client Quit) 19.14.29 # what is the difference between the normal daily build and the debug one ? 19.34.05 Join elinenbe [0] (trilluser@207-237-236-68.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 19.34.17 # just picked up a Rio Karma today -- piece of shit. 19.34.23 Join _aLF [0] (~alexandre@AGrenoble-203-1-13-225.w81-51.abo.wanadoo.fr) 19.35.33 # elinenbe: really ? what are the problems with these ? 19.36.48 # Eek! My JB recorder 20 has started getting the HD register error 19.39.54 # is there a way to master reset the Archos manually? I cant get it to load at all, not on batteries nor power adaptor or USB 19.58.20 Quit MattF ("Leaving") 19.59.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.16.02 Join hardeep [0] (1098@208.247.65.237) 20.29.48 Join track1 [0] (jirc@ACBA76B5.ipt.aol.com) 20.29.56 # hello 20.29.59 # hi 20.30.03 # hi Dsg and webmind 20.40.17 # hiya 20.48.11 Quit mecraw ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)") 21.09.23 Join yeft [0] (nospin@AC81F653.ipt.aol.com) 21.09.40 # i have a question... 21.10.08 # is loading a new build to a flashed fmrec the same as loading to an unflashed fmr? 21.11.04 # ... 21.11.11 # im an idiot... bye 21.11.17 Quit yeft (Client Quit) 21.48.07 Quit dsg ("pub, maybe Bosch opening party later") 21.59.31 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.11.09 Join k3no [0] (trilluser@80.178.41.145.forward.012.net.il) 22.26.14 Join [IDC]Dragon [0] (~idc-drago@pD9E34F22.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.47.25 # hello 22.48.15 Join mecraw [0] (~mecraw@69.2.235.2) 23.09.57 # [IDC]Dragon: hi 23.10.06 # guess what: my newly received recorder 20 is NOT flashable ! 23.10.08 # <[IDC]Dragon> Heya! 23.10.18 # so i can't work on rockflash 23.10.19 # <[IDC]Dragon> ?? ?? 23.10.22 # yes 23.10.26 # ?? ?? exactly lol 23.10.31 # in hardware info :) 23.10.44 # <[IDC]Dragon> I've read from you in the log. 23.10.49 # hardware V1, mask 0x0302 23.10.55 # <[IDC]Dragon> Sorry about it... 23.10.57 # and these stupid question marks 23.11.13 # yea that's annoying :( 23.11.16 # <[IDC]Dragon> Can you exchange it? 23.11.32 # even if i exchange it i'll get one from the same batch 23.11.40 # so there are 99% chances that it won't be flashable too 23.12.42 # <[IDC]Dragon> Do you know a recorder owner who doesn't care? 23.12.49 # <[IDC]Dragon> So you can swap? 23.12.51 # i have a 15 days satisfied or runfed warranty, but im not sure if it is worth sending it back to buy another recorder in another shop that might not be flashable too... 23.13.14 # no i don't; but that's a good idea, i might swap the cpu card 23.13.18 # <[IDC]Dragon> Another shop may have another batch 23.14.12 # yea but it took me weeks to get one, and im not sure i want to wait some other weeks to get another one (christmas is coming, and shops are cleaning their stock to create a lack of products so they can raise the price) 23.14.17 Join mecraw_ [0] (~mecraw@69.2.235.2) 23.15.19 Quit track1 ("Leaving") 23.15.24 # hmmmm i know somebody who has a recorder 15 ! but im not sure he will be ok to open it (warranty...) 23.15.44 # <[IDC]Dragon> Hmmm 23.16.02 # a good thing would be to print some others "warranty seal" stickers :) 23.16.09 # <[IDC]Dragon> I tried to revove the seal without destruction, but no success. 23.16.10 # im sure it can be done 23.16.15 # yea 23.16.31 # even by heating it ? 23.16.32 # <[IDC]Dragon> I tried alcohol and a heat gun 23.16.39 # hmm 23.17.10 # <[IDC]Dragon> but my tries were a bit half-hearted. 23.17.32 # i'll try to see if there is not a way to print some stickers 23.17.38 # <[IDC]Dragon> Would be difficult to claim warranty with my heavy-modded box anyway. 23.17.49 # heh ;) 23.18.23 # i want to wait 2-3 months before doing anything to my box, to see if there is not a big problem with it 23.18.37 # if it lasts 3 months, it is reasonable to expect it to last some years 23.18.43 # but if it fails after 1 month... 23.18.43 # <[IDC]Dragon> Maybe the most discreet thing would be to just remove the sticker without a trace that there's ever been one. 23.18.52 # yea 23.19.12 # or to print another stiocker that looks like a normal one 23.19.26 # <[IDC]Dragon> Mine was metallized 23.19.30 # poeple don't care a lot about it and they won't open another archos box to check if the sticker is the same 23.19.39 # mine is, but i saw some metallized paper on the net 23.20.26 # i'll see... and perhaps if they notice i removed it, i can trying to say "??? what ?" 23.20.32 # "i never removed anything" 23.20.40 # "perhaps there was not any sticker on it" 23.20.42 # :) 23.20.56 # <[IDC]Dragon> exactly. 23.21.10 # after all they might have forgotten to put one at the factory.. 23.21.25 Join track1 [0] (jirc@ACBA76B5.ipt.aol.com) 23.21.27 # but the problem is that if i start modding it, i'll do things like putting white leds for the backlight 23.21.46 # (but i may replace the leds with some green ones if i have to return it) 23.21.47 Quit mecraw (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 23.21.47 # <[IDC]Dragon> not so good. 23.22.01 # why ? im bored of this stupid green color 23.22.05 # <[IDC]Dragon> they need higher voltage. 23.22.15 # yea 23.22.16 # 3.6v 23.22.28 # hmm 23.22.30 # <[IDC]Dragon> You'd have to cut traces to re-wire 23.22.37 # damn 23.22.42 # <[IDC]Dragon> Right now its 2 in series 23.22.45 # they putted the led in a serie arrangment ? 23.22.50 # ... ok 23.23.02 # i could place yellow leds then 23.23.11 # <[IDC]Dragon> Yes, saves power, you waste less on the current adjusting resistor. 23.23.16 # with a black bumpers box, all gray, it may look very cool 23.23.20 # or how about put multicoloured leds? 23.23.27 # track1: what do you mean ? 23.23.38 # different colors ? 23.24.00 # yea i.e 1 green led, one blue, one red and one wight 23.24.02 # white 23.24.04 # it can be done but the problem is that they'll have a different forward voltage, so one led will be much brighter than the other 23.24.20 # also as [IDC]Dragon said, you can use only red green yellow and orange leds 23.24.26 # (or infrared leds lol) 23.24.27 # <[IDC]Dragon> These LEDs are really tiny, and mounted sideway. The ones in mobile phones are larger. 23.24.55 # no problem, im used to work with 0603 componentns and i already soldered 0402 resistors 23.25.10 # <[IDC]Dragon> It's something like this. 23.25.12 # but in the recorder it looks like 1206 aren't they ? 23.25.23 # in the player they are much smaller 23.25.49 # <[IDC]Dragon> But sideways, against manufacturers usual way. 23.25.58 # yea but it's not a problem too 23.26.10 # i have some sideways leds, but they are red and i don't want a red light 23.26.17 # <[IDC]Dragon> OK, I was just telling you. 23.26.33 # yeap ;) 23.26.48 # * uski thinks that his warranty sticker won't last long 23.27.02 # <[IDC]Dragon> The LEDs are normal chip scale, not meant to be sideways, but Archos is soldering them on the thin edge. 23.27.20 # oh ok 23.27.29 # lol 23.27.37 # one day i done this for 0805 smt capacitors 23.27.50 # i didn't have enough pcb space to put them so i mounted them sideway 23.28.19 # not very hard to do, but it must be a little harder to do with leds 23.28.26 # <[IDC]Dragon> I've seen this often for patching in damping resistors on a cut PCB 23.28.43 # yea 23.28.46 # <[IDC]Dragon> cut trace, I mean. 23.28.48 # I wish Archos used Blue LEDS 23.29.03 # track1: blue leds need 3.6v 23.29.12 # :-( 23.29.14 # and: they are mor expensive 23.29.17 # <[IDC]Dragon> I think white is the most reasonable, blue is just a current fashion. 23.29.21 # yea 23.29.29 # white is so cooool ;) 23.29.47 # also it would be great with the colors of the black bumpers archos 23.29.53 # does that explain why the Rockbox website is blue? 23.30.28 # that's different 23.30.37 # <[IDC]Dragon> I'm happy I have black bumpers, blue looks so toy-ish 23.30.43 # exactly lol 23.30.55 # i thought i'll receive blue bumpers and i was very happy to get black ones 23.30.59 # nah blue looks better 23.31.31 Nick [IDC]Dragon is now known as [IDC]Dragon|away (~idc-drago@pD9E34F22.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.43.01 # Ive just realised 23.43.05 # you lot on about LEDs 23.43.15 # and theres the bug in Sourceforge Red LED dead!!! 23.43.16 # hahahaha! 23.48.32 # I just placed an order for some cool LEDs 23.48.41 # got red, blue, orange, and UV 23.49.48 # why not reprogram the firmware to change the LED colours? 23.51.20 # * Plugh pops track with a clue-by-four 23.52.25 # lol 23.52.33 # when you find the pin on an LED that allows you to change the light output wavelength, let me know. We can make a FORTUNE together 23.52.48 # actually get a felt-tip pen and colour the LEDs yourself!!! 23.53.15 # * Plugh hefts the clue-by-four 23.53.19 # time for another lesson 23.53.38 # what? 23.56.07 # a thin veneer of ink isn't going to override the light output of a modern LED 23.56.31 # it's hardly going to affect the displayed color 23.57.02 # http://www.lsdiodes.com 23.57.04 # fun stuff 23.57.30 # more high power stuff than low 23.58.09 # and blue LEDs are expensive like 45 cents is expensive ;) 23.58.58 # they also have a min 2.8V forward voltage and draw around 20mA at that power