--- Log for 07.10.103 Server: orwell.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16p1 Started: 1 month and 4 days ago 00.00.04 # lol 00.00.39 # ?-?-? 00.01.04 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.01.33 # I'll go and laugh my head off elsewhere unless you want to talk to me... 00.01.44 # about life with bush and anything else 00.02.05 # *OR anything else 00.02.20 # *AND/OR anything else 00.02.22 # lol 00.02.27 # sorry. 00.02.55 # but I'm ROMBLMAOOMH 00.03.38 # *Rolling on my ball laughing my ass out of my head 00.03.52 # I did NOT just say tht, did I? 00.04.58 # Very interesting converstion, this, isn't it. With myself. Any of you care to say something more useful than ? 00.05.44 # no. bye. 00.05.51 # I'm sad to go. 00.06.15 # if you do care, meet me in the unregistered channel #ssotm. 00.06.17 Part Dude 00.06.51 Join Dude [0] (Dude@pm472-17.dialip.mich.net) 00.07.11 # UGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! Still not here!!!!!!!! Bye! 00.07.21 # unless any of you protest... 00.08.24 # some of you guys need to get IM :) 00.08.35 # I do 00.08.38 # Yahoo 00.08.46 # guess my name 00.09.07 # I couldn't presume 00.09.15 # THEFIRSTDUDE02 00.09.18 # sorry for caps 00.09.32 # why are you 02 if you're thefirstdude? 00.09.49 # and MK is Hotmail... 00.10.08 # I am too, but... uhm... I don't have permission to use messenger 00.10.19 # why am I 02? Because I wanted to be. 00.10.52 # aim can do icq :) 00.10.59 # it is a contradiction, tin't it. 00.11.04 # DFon't got AOL 00.11.18 # what's ICQ 00.11.31 # I use AIM mostly 00.11.47 # what's ICQ? AIM? 00.11.47 # and occasionally ICQ, MSN, Yahoo 00.12.04 # other IM programs 00.12.07 # yahoo? what are you? 00.12.14 # Plughie 00.12.15 # WHO are you? 00.12.19 # oh. 00.12.48 # thanks! 00.13.10 # Got my message? 00.13.12 # if I'm logged on at all, it's at home and I can't see it now 00.13.19 # actually 00.13.24 # wha 00.13.42 # \actually what? 00.13.54 Quit AciD (".L") 00.13.59 # I pulled up my home box 00.14.02 # remote control 00.14.08 # oh 00.14.09 Quit yeft ("|| ¥ n e m e s i s ¥ || v2.0 - by d0n - http://page.by/donquijote ||") 00.14.10 # but I didn't get the message 00.14.15 # what? 00.14.21 # I sent it to plughie 00.14.23 # IM 00.14.38 # I think my privacy options don't allow it 00.14.46 # oh 00.14.50 # change them 00.15.02 # what privacy settings anyways? 00.15.58 # 1q 00.16.16 # ok 00.16.19 # I added you 00.16.24 # what? oh 00.17.21 # got em 00.17.22 # ? 00.17.33 # *got em? 00.17.39 # oddly, no 00.17.45 # huh 00.17.47 Quit Kamayaka (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.17.49 # stwange 00.17.56 # maybe Yahoo broke Trillian again 00.17.59 # what all these persons quitting? 00.18.12 # brok Trillian...?????????????????????????????? 00.18.50 # yep 00.18.57 # yahoo is broke under trillian 00.19.06 # which means/....? 00.19.10 # they're working on it 00.19.18 # wh ois 00.19.26 # Cerulean Studios 00.19.35 # which are 00.19.50 # sorry for my ignorance 00.19.59 # the people who write Trillian 00.20.04 # circular logic here :) 00.20.06 # which is 00.20.09 # www.trillian.cc 00.20.28 # I'm too lazy to push the IE button on my keyboard 00.20.54 # oh well 00.21.01 # it combines MSN, ICQ, AIM, Yahoo, and IRC 00.21.11 # all in one program with one contact list 00.21.42 # so I see 00.21.47 # I looked on the site 00.21.55 # sounds too good to be true 00.22.07 # it's actually really well done 00.22.10 # but I only have MSN and Yahoo 00.22.21 # but Yahoo is broken in the free version right now 00.22.26 # so I don't need it, nor care about 00.22.35 # then use yahoo direct 00.22.44 # obviously you use IRC too 00.23.06 # uh, we're on IRC now, so yeah 00.23.13 # only the trial of the client though 00.23.18 Join AciD [0] (~gni@longchamp44-1-82-67-133-87.fbx.proxad.net) 00.23.34 # now, why were you gone for seven minutes? 00.23.50 # eh? 00.24.02 # was talking to AciD 00.25.13 # who's MT? 00.26.07 # why every time I come here are there always Plugh, Schneuff, uski, webmind, ze, mecraw_, Galik etc 00.26.30 # BTW how do you pronounce Plugh? 00.27.04 # A 00.27.07 # B 00.27.08 # Dude: Because I 'autoconnect' to this channel when I boot my computer :) 00.27.09 # C 00.27.15 # OH 00.27.28 # you have always-on WWW? 00.27.31 # broadband? 00.28.00 # Ploo with a gutteral gh 00.28.06 Join Kamayaka [0] (Kamayaka@pD9E97C65.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.28.16 # Pl-ooooh? 00.28.16 # or just Ploo, for the gutterally challenged 00.28.37 # I pronounced it Pl-euh 00.28.47 # with a funny thing on the ugh 00.29.09 # wha staet you live? 00.29.11 # like a ch, but softer and in the back of the tongue 00.29.12 # me MI 00.29.14 # California 00.29.25 # I thougth so for some reason 00.29.42 # just... who you would vote for? 00.29.44 # probably because I've said it 100 times in this channel 00.29.53 # Ahnold 00.29.59 # not while I weas here 00.30.03 # what isuspected 00.30.04 # but they fucked up my voter registration 00.30.12 # how> 00.30.14 # ? 00.30.29 # I put in a change of address, but they never sent me a confirmation 00.30.39 # oh 00.30.47 # so you're over 16 00.30.55 # I'm over 30 00.31.00 # oh 00.31.13 # just you never know round these places 00.31.17 # I have a wife and 2 step-kids 00.31.18 # on the web 00.31.25 # huh! 00.31.25 # oldest is 19 00.31.32 # youngest 17 00.31.48 # so your wife, therefore I presume, is over 40. 00.31.57 # um no 00.32.00 # * Kamayaka slaps Dude around a bit with a large trout 00.32.15 # oh. 00.32.27 # where you got the trout from? 00.32.44 # you know asterix and obelix the fish dealer :) 00.32.58 # sort of... 00.33.00 # I love Asterix and Obelix 00.33.10 # it´s where the fish comes from 00.33.20 # I've never gotten it in a language in which I undersdtand it fully 00.33.27 # so you said 00.33.30 # heh. I understood it in German 00.33.51 # who's MT? <<-- me 00.33.55 # well, It's soret of... I read it in Hebrew. 00.34.01 # lol 00.34.08 # uh, thanks. who's that? 00.34.17 # (to MT) 00.34.29 # gonna get to bed, hopefully i´ll meet idc dragon some day :) 00.34.35 # MT is ~MT@no.beer.for.beating.me.uk * Tom Evans 00.34.44 # he'll show up 5 mins after you leave 00.34.46 # oh. 00.34.47 # just watch 00.34.48 # :) 00.34.55 # okay :) 00.35.03 # i´m leaving coming back in 5 minutes ! 00.35.04 Quit Kamayaka () 00.35.15 # is there a feature request for an email reader yet? 00.35.27 # probably not 00.35.33 # it's uhmm, 3:36 over there 00.35.33 # but... why? 00.35.41 # i was planning on doing one 00.35.44 # I want to read your email! 00.35.52 # OH! 00.35.54 # (not a request, a plugin) 00.35.57 # I'm a system administrator 00.36.01 # I read your email 00.36.02 # a thing that reads your emal 00.36.25 # its only a specialised text viewer after all 00.36.35 # somewhat 00.36.53 # h, what the point of a text viewer for Windows? 00.37.04 # it has a couple, deosn't it. 00.37.14 # sure, parse the headers, display the body 00.37.29 # that reminds me... I fyou wish to dig a bit in this forum, you 00.37.41 # 'll find something about a text viewer 00.38.06 # http://pub82.ezboard.com/bblackeyesoftware56428 00.38.10 # byue 00.38.15 # gonna have dinner 00.38.17 Part Dude 00.38.24 # some sort of 'folder browser' to browse 'imap' folders 00.39.03 # and a little perl script to extract email from said imap server and place on rockbox, and sync it etc 00.39.30 # MT: I think you'd have to use maildir 00.40.13 # imap isn't going to work unless you write a TCP/IP driver for the archos, over USB 00.40.20 Join Kamayaka [0] (Kamayaka@pD9E97C65.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.40.24 # and ? 00.40.30 # you haven't left yet 00.40.31 # :) 00.40.36 # you were hanging around 00.40.43 # should i go and get another fish ? :) 00.40.45 # erm 00.40.47 # Plugh 00.41.07 # try a herring 00.41.07 # is there a feature request for an email reader yet? 00.41.13 # reader 00.41.16 # not a client 00.41.21 # herring hua 00.41.31 # finally gonna go get some bed :) 00.41.34 # cya 00.41.35 Quit Kamayaka (Client Quit) 00.41.38 # id use a host PC to extract messages into a format and style that suits us 00.41.43 # I know. But you're still going to need to have the data stored somewhere 00.41.46 # use maildir 00.41.58 # established standard 00.42.07 # for personal computers 00.42.09 # you can just tar it up and untar to the archos 00.42.19 # not for embedded devices with 64k of usable ram 00.42.33 # plus i dont use maildir on my server 00.42.38 # so not likely to do that :) 00.42.38 # that's why you'd need to use maildir 00.42.46 # because mbox would be friggin huge 00.42.54 # i wouldnt use EITHER 00.43.07 # why not? 00.43.15 # because i dont need either 00.43.19 # maildir is just folders and subfolders 00.43.36 # and individual files representing individual messages 00.43.46 Join scott666 [0] (scott666@c-66-41-171-170.mn.client2.attbi.com) 00.43.52 Part scott666 00.44.04 # pretty much exactly what you're looking to do with your mailbox file converter 01.09.29 Join midknight2k3 [0] (jirc@12-229-204-15.client.attbi.com) 01.10.37 # mid 01.10.41 # ding 01.14.40 Join scott666 [0] (scott666@c-66-41-171-170.mn.client2.attbi.com) 01.16.29 # oh hi 01.19.37 Quit midknight2k3 ("Leaving") 01.22.10 Quit scott666 ("i'll be back...eventually...") 01.25.38 Join diddystar5 [0] (diddystar5@ACA94360.ipt.aol.com) 01.28.45 # sup plugh 01.29.10 Quit mecraw_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.29.44 # hi did 01.29.46 # what's up 01.30.03 # nothing 01.30.25 # have you tried my new "changes to new .rockbox browseing patch" 01.30.54 # nope. I don't even have the browsing patch 01.31.13 # it's in CVS now 01.31.25 # ah. guess I need to checkout and pop off a build 01.31.45 # lots of people were complaining about it taking up all the menus, so i made some changes that make it alot beter! 01.33.52 # October 6, 2003 -- A sick game called "hogging" - in which men 01.33.52 # try to score with heavyset women - is all the rage in Cleveland. 01.34.16 # "It's just easier. You're not embarrassed getting shot down by 01.34.18 # them. You're not embarrassed when they leave," one player, Mark, 01.34.18 # 26, told clevescene.com. 01.34.35 # err... kinda sick... 01.37.22 # rockbox has to many patches to see my new patch, you have to click the "next 50" button 01.46.29 Join adi|home [0] (~adi|home@as5300-9.216-194-23-77.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) 01.46.43 # hey adi 01.50.41 Quit _aLF ("Client exiting") 01.51.04 Quit AciD (Remote closed the connection) 01.54.42 # hehe 01.54.57 # what? 01.55.24 # oh, the patch flood 01.55.25 # :) 01.55.32 # yep... 01.55.51 # tree.c:88: parse error before '<<' token 01.55.51 # tree.c:92: parse error before '==' token 01.55.51 # tree.c:820: conflicting types for `dirbrowse' 01.55.51 # tree.c:91: previous declaration of `dirbrowse' 01.55.51 # tree.c: In function `dirbrowse': 01.55.53 # tree.c:1217: `start_wps' undeclared (first use in this function) 01.55.56 # tree.c:1217: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once 01.55.58 # tree.c:1217: for each function it appears in.) 01.56.01 # tree.c: In function `bookmark_play': 01.56.03 # tree.c:1528: `start_wps' undeclared (first use in this function) 01.56.06 # make[1]: *** [/home/plugh/archos/rockbox/build/tree.o] Error 1 01.56.09 # bloody hell 01.56.15 # haha 01.56.28 # what did you do? :) 01.56.30 # oh 01.56.33 # I see 01.56.40 # bookmarks.diff 01.57.01 # zagor said the bookmarks used way to much stack 01.57.02 # dir browse changes aren't compatible with bookmark 01.57.17 # yeah, it's a bit piggy 01.57.25 # but the functionality is SO nice 01.58.02 # i haven't used it since it first came out 01.58.19 Join tpelliott [0] (telliott@208-251-255-120.res.evv.cable.sigecom.net) 01.58.29 # does anyone have a player here? i need someone to test a game! 01.59.05 # Has anyone had trouble with the battery covers on the JBR20? 01.59.20 # nope 01.59.30 # what are your troubles? 01.59.52 # gotta go... 02.00.24 Part diddystar5 (""VY Meters are cool"") 02.01.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.24.00 Join Dude [0] (Dude@pm478-04.dialip.mich.net) 02.24.14 # gdang it! Bye! 02.24.16 Part Dude 02.32.44 Quit Galik ("Client exiting") 02.34.57 Quit tpelliott (Remote closed the connection) 02.46.00 Join dw|gone_ [20] (dwihno@h193180246067.kommunicera.umea.se) 02.46.00 Quit dw|gone (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.47.03 Join kenm92 [0] (~km87@adsl-209-1-91.mia.bellsouth.net) 02.47.08 # hello 02.47.11 # can someoe help me 02.47.28 # my archos jukebox 20 is really messed up 02.51.36 # nevermind then 02.56.35 Quit kenm92 () 04.01.11 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.16.39 Join zombiejeff [0] (~chatzilla@pcp730548pcs.arlngt01.va.comcast.net) 04.16.55 Quit zombiejeff (Client Quit) 04.31.01 Join dw|gone [20] (dwihno@h193180246067.kommunicera.umea.se) 04.31.01 Quit dw|gone_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.36.53 Quit MT ("changing servers") 04.40.26 Join MT [0] (~MT@194.154.163.134) 04.52.07 Join tpelliott [0] (telliott@208-251-255-120.res.evv.cable.sigecom.net) 04.52.38 Part tpelliott 04.52.52 Join thu [0] (~thu@h24-87-64-169.vc.shawcable.net) 04.58.19 Quit adi|home (Connection timed out) 06.01.13 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.05.11 Join adi|home [0] (~adi|home@as5300-11.216-194-25-59.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) 07.16.23 Join scott666 [0] (scott666@c-66-41-171-170.mn.client2.attbi.com) 07.35.44 Join matsl [0] (~matsl@dhcp86.contactor.se) 07.54.38 Nick dw|gone is now known as dwihno (dwihno@h193180246067.kommunicera.umea.se) 08.01.14 *** No seen item changed, no save performed. 08.08.36 Quit scott666 ("i'll be back...eventually...") 08.37.19 Join k3no [0] (trilluser@80.178.40.135.forward.012.net.il) 08.37.19 Quit ze (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.01.09 Join ze [20] (psyco@adsl-63-205-44-105.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) 09.31.44 Join Malphas__ [0] (~s@kangourou.sntteam.org) 10.01.18 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.55.36 Quit thu ("zZz") 11.05.55 Quit ze ("reboot") 11.08.18 Join dsg [0] (~david@a194-109-195-187.adsl.xs4all.nl) 11.10.03 Join ze [20] (psyco@adsl-63-205-42-238.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) 11.17.16 Quit k3no (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.24.03 Join AciD [0] (~acid@longchamp44-1-82-67-133-87.fbx.proxad.net) 11.29.53 Quit adi|home (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 11.33.30 Quit Malphas__ ("Preparing subject to return IRL .... CLACK") 11.36.10 Join track [0] (jirc@ACBBFD42.ipt.aol.com) 11.38.10 Join Galik [0] (~galik@195.137.124.20) 11.44.54 # morning galik 11.45.07 # hi track 11.45.17 # r u tracktheripper? 11.52.24 # yes 11.53.34 # why are there so many people here and so little chat? 11.56.38 # Well I connect to the channel automatically when my pc boots. I'm often off doing other things 11.57.08 # Perhaps it's because rockbox works so well :) 12.01.22 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.02.57 # yea 12.03.08 # rockbox still has a couple of missing features 12.09.52 # hehe yeah like making the toast :) 12.10.19 # * Galik wonders whether that would be possible through the usb... 12.10.21 # I never filed such a request 12.11.02 # Galik: nah, but using serial communication it should be possible 12.11.34 # all you have to do is perform a few full formats then the Archos will heat up enough to burn bread.... 12.11.43 # lol 12.12.27 # there was a feature request "tea maker" once 12.13.11 # Well if tea maker ever gets implemented then toast is a must! 12.13.29 # the tea maker was rejected :-( 12.13.35 # bah 12.13.52 # actually the "war stopper" request should be implemented 12.14.03 # what's that? 12.14.09 # oh i see 12.15.00 # http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=705949&group_id=44306&atid=439121 12.15.24 # lol 12.16.29 # or how about a software touchscreen? 12.17.12 # Might make the archos go haywire when it's in my pocket 12.17.24 # http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=706783&group_id=44306&atid=439121 12.19.24 # Could the LCD ever be replaced with a colour LCD like the one found in a digital camera? 12.20.31 # doubt it 12.22.59 # so you could watch movies on the Archos? :-) 12.24.32 # http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&group_id=44306&atid=439121&aid=622395 12.27.01 # that could prolly be done. i'd like that feature 12.28.21 # yea but did u read the comments? 12.29.08 # yes. but i'd draw my own icons for my albums so they'd be distinctive 12.29.22 # you could even have a CDDB type repository of them 12.29.32 # so people couold share them 12.29.43 # lol 12.29.49 # a 5x7 1 bit image? 12.29.54 # they don't have to be the 'original' cover picture 12.30.04 # lo 12.30.04 # lol 12.30.09 # the FM recorder has a bigger screen than that 12.30.10 # u tell Zagor that :-) 12.30.27 # yea but what abou the Player? 12.30.27 # :-) 12.30.39 # player? who cares :P 12.30.43 # j/k 12.31.55 # :-( 12.33.37 # whats wrong wiv the Player? 12.33.44 # they are still being made 12.34.30 # Nothing wrong with it. It's just that I don't own one so it doesn't affect me ;) 12.35.04 # lol 12.35.12 # Ive noticed Archos no longer make the FM Recorder 12.35.54 # shame. what would i do if i droped mine off a cliff? 12.36.16 # >> other than jump down to find it... 12.36.42 # they still make the normal Recorders and Players 12.37.10 # i think the FM bit wasn't really worth it. I never use the radio 12.37.38 # they still make the Ondio which has a radio tuner built in! 12.37.53 # besides there must be some players out there that do ogg by now... I'd prolly have to buy one of them 12.38.06 # ogg is very hard to decode 12.38.17 # it's my most important feature 12.38.25 # rio karma, baby 12.38.35 # yes but now i think there is a h/w decoder 12.38.38 # even in Soundforge it took ages to make an Ogg file from a WAV file 12.38.51 # and there's some other one that does ogg too 12.38.58 # and besides, I feel MP3Pro has better sound quality than Ogg 12.39.05 # ive compared MP3Pro to Ogg 12.39.14 # heh 12.39.16 # well i can't justify buying a new one till my archos goes tits up 12.39.23 # and theres always WMA :-) 12.39.42 # i haven't heard anything to indicate that mp3pro's really even any better than mp3 12.39.44 # MP3Pro is nonfree 12.39.59 # Besides even mp3 is good enough quality for me 12.40.01 # beside the fact that ogg vorbis is free and more future-oriented 12.40.04 # well an MP3Pro file at 64kbs has similar sound quality to an MP3 at 128kbs 12.40.12 # you never tell through tiny headphones anyway 12.40.29 # ok here's the other one that plays ogg, the neuros neurosaudio.com 12.40.55 # track: yeah supposedly, i hear it's just some silly voodoo to do a crappy replacement of frequencies it cuts out 12.40.55 # archos should really think about ogg for future players 12.41.06 # :-) 12.41.48 # my pda plays ogg 12.42.03 # it's just too bad it doesn't have an HD, and despite that also only has a couple hours battery life 12.42.07 # heh 12.42.09 # so did mine before someone swaped it for a broken one 12.42.42 # but yeah that neuros player does vorbis, and so does/will the rio karma which looks mad sexy 12.43.13 # are they likely to be programable like the archos? 12.43.17 # the karma's what i would get next if i were to upgrade any time soon 12.43.34 # do they run linux? 12.43.37 # heh 12.43.50 # hell if i know, go look it up if you're interested 12.43.52 # heh 12.46.15 # :-) 12.46.28 # but Archos are still adamant about supporting MP3 only 12.46.37 # they aren't interested in WMA or Ogg or MP3 Pro 12.46.58 # then i won't buy archos when mine bites the dust 12.47.11 # neuros looks like the business 12.47.26 # yea what you have to realise is that the Neuros is prob SDMI compliant 12.47.32 # the Archoes are not SDMI compliant 12.47.46 # i dunno about that 12.47.57 # I don't have a problem with that. 12.48.06 # my friend's all into the neuros, always talking about it and wishing he had one 12.48.12 # If the mp3 is not digitally stamped than it can't be stopped 12.48.29 # and i don't think he'd go for one that had anything shitty like that about it 12.48.29 # heh 12.48.34 # So I can rip my own CD's still 12.48.46 # yes but like on the Creative Labs Nomad it prevents you uploading MP3s to someone elses's PC 12.49.04 # i've got a zen 12.49.08 # afaik it don't prevent anything 12.49.19 # not only that the Archos is the only HD player Im aware of that supports drag and drop in My Computer 12.49.22 # Hmmm doubt it. The synchronization software is Open Source i think 12.49.30 # with the Zen you have to use the shitty Playcenter software 12.49.41 # I had a Nomad once and the Playcenter kept fucking up my PC 12.49.41 # with the zen i use a commandline util in linux 12.49.47 # it's nice i don't even have to mount or umount it 12.49.47 # so I took it back and got the Archos 12.49.55 # and ive been happy ever since Ive had it 12.50.39 # well i have to go out. cu later ppl 12.50.44 # How long does the Archos take to boot up? 10 seconds? 12.50.59 # less 12.51.06 # i'm rather fond of my zen actually 12.51.25 # there's also some 3rd party crap for windows for transferring files to/from it 12.51.39 # when I had a Nomad if you fill the HD up, it takes 2 minutes to startup whilst it checks all the files! 12.51.40 # that's either a windows explorer-like interface or actualy makes windows explorer work for it, or there's both, i forget 12.51.55 # thereby draining a lot of power from the batteries 12.51.59 # my zen updates it's database as tracks are transferred 12.52.04 # and the battery life was shitty at 4 hours anyway 12.52.15 # and it's got nice 12+ hour battery life 12.52.24 # it boots up like instantly too 12.52.37 # my Archos has a 14hour battery life with the 2000Mah batteries 12.52.38 # when it shuts off it goes into like a sleep mode or something 12.52.45 # and comes right back up when you turn it on 12.52.53 # unless you leave it off for like a few days 12.53.13 # then it turns off further and takes a few seconds to boot next time 12.53.32 # cool 12.53.34 # sound quality's great too 12.53.39 # I use Windows Media Player to make my playlists 12.53.44 # far far easier than Musicmatch 12.53.51 # has some nifty little processing too that i never use 12.54.01 # can do timescaling and EQ and reverb and shit 12.54.16 # so what? 12.54.17 # i build my playlists on the zen 12.54.21 # the Archos can alter the playback speed 12.54.31 # it's really super easy, i love it's playlist building 12.54.44 # you can sit there and throw on exactly what you want real quick 12.55.10 # want to listen to all of an artist? just click add to play over the artist 12.55.14 # yea but the Zen has non-removable non-standard battery 12.55.15 # same for an album or a genre 12.55.30 # when the battery dies you are fucked 12.55.45 # not necessarily 12.55.53 # depends on your warranty/service plan and such 12.56.02 # unless you mean just like when it's drained 12.56.12 # i mean when it no longer holds its charge 12.56.14 # then you just gotta recharge it, oh well 12.56.24 Quit Galik ("Client exiting") 12.56.32 # the Archos uses batteries that are readily available 12.56.33 # ah yeah, well lithium ion's are generally covered under warranty or service plans 12.56.49 # not that I think the Zen looks like an old-fashioned Walkman 12.57.35 # heh well i never really look at it much, it's in my pocket most of the time 12.57.46 # but it's blue EL-backlit screen is nice 12.58.09 # and the jog wheel's cool 12.58.18 # or scroll wheel or whatever you wanna call it 12.58.37 # it's much quicker than any other way i've seen to scroll through lists 12.58.46 # cause you can spin it real quick and jump way far through it 12.59.08 # well i still think its a boring design 12.59.31 # and it's suprisingly usable with either single hand 13.00.13 # yea but the Archos is shock-proof with its blue corners 13.00.18 # indeed 13.00.31 # that and rockbox are the only thing i miss about the archos 13.00.38 # i bet if you drop your Zen on a concrete floor it smashes to smithereens 13.00.44 # nah 13.00.50 # the whole case is aluminum 13.01.00 # well except for the joining part around the edge 13.01.00 # yea but it will still scratch 13.01.20 # which appears to be some sortof hard rubberyish plastic 13.01.21 # the blue Bumpers protect the Archos's metal chassis from hitting terra firma ..... 13.01.41 # yeah 13.01.58 # i do wish it had bumpers, but oh well 13.02.17 # and the most important feature........... 13.02.19 # ROCKBOX!!! 13.02.20 # :-P 13.02.32 # i didn't have much of a choice in the matter, it was either the zen or drive to another store to get an fm rec 13.02.37 # and honestly the fm rec's suck, the zen's way better 13.02.47 # lol 13.02.52 # anyway im off nice chatting 13.02.54 # be good 13.02.55 # :-) 13.02.57 # except for a few of the nice recorder features, my old studio20 was better than the fm 13.03.01 # heh 13.03.04 Quit track ("Leaving") 13.03.05 # bye 14.01.26 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.43.10 Join Galik [0] (~galik@195.137.124.20) 15.04.56 Join edx [0] (edx@pD9EA9DA2.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.15.09 Join Kama [0] (~Kamayaka@pD9E4F6A6.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.15.17 # heyaho 15.15.25 Nick Kama is now known as Kamayaka (~Kamayaka@pD9E4F6A6.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.15.38 # Way! 15.25.10 # oi 15.28.33 # webmind: Eyh ;) 15.28.46 Quit matsl (Remote closed the connection) 15.29.31 # ej dsg 15.29.37 # dsg, hows your recorder ? 15.29.44 # * webmind thinking he might just buy one :) 15.33.50 # damn.. still expensive 15.40.53 # webmind: It's nice... but I've hit a small prob (not sure if it's rockbox or the recorder). 15.41.07 # what thern? 15.41.11 # It's only happened twice, but still... it stops playing. 15.41.31 # But when I push buttons and such, the backlight goes on and such. 15.41.38 # odd 15.41.41 # And I push pause, the play icon turns to a pause icon. 15.41.44 # i've had the same problem though 15.41.48 # i think it might be rock box 15.41.54 # But it looks like it's locked up, because the off and on buttons don't return to the browser. 15.41.59 # webmind: Could be. 15.42.02 # but i thaugt it was my batteries 15.42.15 # thought 15.42.47 # webmind: Well... I bought new batteries (2000mAh GP batteries) with the player, so... 15.43.00 # And put them in. Originals haven't had a charge yet. 15.43.02 # then there shouldn't be a problem 15.43.09 # heh 15.43.28 # btw u there sunday or no ? 15.44.25 # Yeah. 15.44.34 # Or I think I should be here. 15.44.43 # You thinking of popping by? 15.45.27 # er 15.45.36 # i meant klaphek meeting :) 15.45.41 # Ah, mkay ;) 15.45.45 # Sure, I could do that. 15.45.46 # got a new toy btw 15.45.49 # In Utrecht again? 15.45.54 # Oh, what is it? 15.45.55 # pen with a knife hidden in it 15.46.09 # Nice. 15.46.14 # Got it in kroatia? 15.46.20 # customs here in .nl is apearently quite lazy :) 15.46.22 # nope 15.46.23 # post order 15.46.28 # Hehe ;) 15.47.33 # Too bad flashed rockbox not working properly on the recorder though. 15.48.57 # its not ? 15.51.15 # Big problems with charging. 15.51.39 # It measures the battery completely wrong, so it stops charging when it's far from full. 15.51.52 # Like recently it was ~26% and it thought it was 100%, so it stopped charging 15.52.19 # aah 15.52.19 # suz 15.52.27 # sux 15.52.46 # Yeah. Really strange though... in all other ways it works beautifully (just over 2s bootup). 15.53.11 # toobad it doesnt really work for player.. 15.53.34 # Yeah... did they have different flash chips or something? 15.55.58 # dont think so 15.56.06 # but too little people devving i think 16.01.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.08.35 # Ah. 16.08.44 # (Sorry, a little loesje meeting ;) 16.08.46 # Back now. 16.09.45 # wb 16.11.00 # Just figured one good thing about having vmware on the laptop though (have it for quarkxpress for poster&bulletin layout). 16.11.10 # I can play Planescape: Torment ;) 16.11.17 # Before we get our VCR. 16.11.23 Join k3no [0] (trilluser@80.178.33.105.forward.012.net.il) 16.15.48 Join Track [0] (jirc@ACBF4AD8.ipt.aol.com) 16.15.56 # hello 16.16.50 # hell Ze 16.16.54 # sorry Hello Ze 16.20.50 # oi 16.26.07 # grrrrrrrrrr 16.26.16 # I told you not to address a man as "oi!" 16.30.07 Quit dsg ("foo") 16.32.20 Quit Track ("Leaving") 16.42.35 Join k3no_ [0] (trilluser@80.178.33.105.forward.012.net.il) 16.42.35 Quit k3no (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.09.21 Quit Galik ("Client exiting") 17.15.34 Join mecraw_ [0] (~mecraw@69.2.235.2) 17.17.53 Quit k3no_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 17.25.23 Nick mecraw_ is now known as mecraw (~mecraw@69.2.235.2) 18.01.30 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.06.59 Quit Kamayaka () 18.19.42 Join Galik [0] (~galik@195.137.124.20) 18.53.13 Join adi|home [0] (~adi|home@as5300-9.216-194-23-154.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) 19.05.19 Join track [0] (jirc@ACBCD027.ipt.aol.com) 19.27.10 Join mecraw_ [0] (~mecraw@69.2.235.2) 19.27.10 Quit mecraw (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.31.42 Join JusLookn [0] (~mrconfuz@204.212.103.2) 19.33.47 Nick mecraw_ is now known as mecraw (~mecraw@69.2.235.2) 19.36.05 Part JusLookn 20.01.31 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.16.17 Quit BoBB ("Lost terminal") 20.16.54 Quit track ("Leaving") 20.26.42 Join BoBB [0] (~bob@ip24-56-43-44.ph.ph.cox.net) 20.29.22 Quit Galik (Remote closed the connection) 20.32.20 Nick dwihno is now known as dw|gone (dwihno@h193180246067.kommunicera.umea.se) 20.32.23 Quit BoBB ("leaving") 20.41.44 Join track [0] (jirc@ACBCD027.ipt.aol.com) 20.42.57 # hi 20.43.14 # hi 20.43.21 # hey plugh 20.43.22 # :D 20.43.34 # I was argueing with Ze earlier on 20.43.53 # regarding? 20.44.05 # I should scroll back, but I'm feeling too lazy right now 20.44.14 # him saying his Zen is better than the Archos 20.44.40 # hardware wise, I probably wouldn't argue with him 20.45.11 # Archos makes pieces of cold-soldered junk with cheap batteries 20.45.30 # what's Zen? does it run rockbox? 20.45.50 # Plugh the Archos is NOT cold-soldered junk 20.46.06 # My Recorder is over a year old and it is bomb-proof compared to the Nomad I used to have 20.46.17 # my recorder is 20.46.30 # I've soldered some contacts back together a couple times now 20.46.32 # track: I saw some of the solder joints inside my unit. 20.46.44 # you prob have an early Player 20.46.51 # I would have been ashamed to release anything of that level of quality 20.46.53 # track: I have the recorder 20 20.46.55 # I have an FMR 20.47.12 # well the FMR is a crap unit anyway 20.47.19 # im talking about the normal Recorders 20.47.22 # so I've noticed 20.47.23 # Archos no longer make the FMR 20.47.29 # sorta 20.47.35 # the normal Recorders are bomb-proof 20.47.47 # they moved the recorder 20 into the same case with the same exploding battery 20.48.00 Join BoBB [0] (~bob@ip24-56-43-44.ph.ph.cox.net) 20.48.09 # what? 20.48.16 # don't get me wrong. I haven't had any problems with mine 20.48.16 # my battereis have never exploded 20.48.37 # my battery is swollen 20.48.48 # LMFAO!!! 20.48.54 # it's a matter of time before it cracks the screen, and there's nothing I can do about it 20.48.59 # but wait for it to happen 20.49.02 # heehee 20.49.30 # butbut, what's the Zen? 20.49.38 # until then, though, I'm more than happy with the performance 20.49.57 # ah, found it 20.50.17 # I just feel like it's teetering on the verge of a hardware disaster 20.50.36 # the FMR has no digital out, just digital in 20.50.53 # any why oh why did they put the headphone socket on the SIDE of the FMR and not the TOP 20.51.06 # got me 20.51.17 # side has been fine 20.51.22 # so far 20.51.50 # I just turn it top down into the neoprene case and run the zippers around to the side 20.52.38 # ah, so zen is just nomad's try at the same thing - no bonus for me since no rockbox 20.54.25 # yea 20.55.06 # There is a way you can make your Archos crossfade 20.56.15 # nope 20.56.20 # simply connect it to the USB and the songs in Windows Media Player with the crossfading in Windows Media Player turned on 20.56.24 # there's only one decoder stream 20.56.56 # i mean connect the archos to the usb, and play all your songs in Windows Media Player with the crossfading in Windows MEdia Player turned on 20.57.24 # oh. sure 20.58.20 # I wouldn't want to do it in USB 1 mode though ;) 20.59.16 # im doing mine in USB1 mode now and it works great 21.00.07 # you can 21.00.10 # I wouldn't want to 21.01.21 # woot. Realized I had a 20gig drive in an old broken-down Creative Nomad 21.01.38 # my laptop can be upgraded now from 4 to 20 21.03.10 Join Galik [0] (~galik@195.137.124.20) 21.11.47 Join k3no_ [0] (trilluser@80.178.32.227.forward.012.net.il) 21.12.04 Quit track ("Leaving") 21.20.13 Quit AciD (Connection timed out) 21.24.53 Quit k3no_ (".oOo.") 21.37.21 Join edx` [0] (edx@pD9EAA20B.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.45.47 Quit edx (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 21.45.51 Nick edx` is now known as edx (edx@pD9EAA20B.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.53.06 Join scott666 [0] (scott666@c-66-41-171-170.mn.client2.attbi.com) 21.57.29 Join track [0] (jirc@ACBCD027.ipt.aol.com) 22.00.38 # hi] 22.01.34 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.04.25 # hi 22.07.02 # hi 22.08.29 # read the contents of zip folders 22.09.04 # err 22.09.15 # just got the funniest reply to an email ive sent to rockbox mailing list 22.09.27 # lol 22.09.30 # wot? 22.09.36 # Hey there, thanks for answering my ad. I'm out and about and on the road and would love to connect. Call me at 510-415-2552. 22.09.36 # Grif 22.09.42 # i mean 22.09.44 # wtf?! 22.10.08 # was in reply to the message about autorebooting on panic messages 22.10.32 # they're in Oakland :) 22.10.35 Join _aLF [0] (~alexandre@AGrenoble-203-1-6-191.w81-49.abo.wanadoo.fr) 22.10.49 # what you could do is dump your MP3s into compressed zip folders thereby saving HD space without losing quality as zip folders use lossless compression 22.11.17 # mp3 doesn't compress 22.12.31 Join Guest1 [0] (~jirc@c-213-160-35-252.customer.ggaweb.ch) 22.13.54 # well I put an MP3 that was 6,000kb into a zip folder and it compressed it to 5990kb 22.14.04 # reduced it by 10k 22.15.53 # oh 22.15.55 # umm 22.16.03 Join mecraw_ [0] (~mecraw@69.2.235.2) 22.16.04 # not worth the decompression overhead 22.16.09 Quit mecraw (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.16.14 # and if you put zip folders into zip folders into zip folders into zip folders save even more HD space!!! 22.16.54 # ok 22.17.02 # do it enough times and you'll get it down to 1k 22.17.29 # how about putting MP3s into cabinet files since cabinet files use LZW compression which is much more efficient than zip compression :-) 22.17.44 Join [IDC]Dragon|away [0] (~idc-drago@pD9E344CA.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.17.56 Quit Guest1 ("Leaving") 22.18.04 Nick [IDC]Dragon|away is now known as [IDC]Dragon (~idc-drago@pD9E344CA.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.18.10 # hey Dragon 22.18.11 # ltns 22.18.22 # <[IDC]Dragon> Hi! 22.18.38 # <[IDC]Dragon> "ltns" ??? 22.18.44 # long time no see 22.18.50 # <[IDC]Dragon> ah! 22.19.12 # <[IDC]Dragon> right, I was more on the couch watching TV in my evenings. 22.19.25 # figured as much 22.19.33 # TV is the mind killer 22.19.49 # yea Plugh you could use cabinet files instead 22.20.04 # <[IDC]Dragon> ususally, but not always. 22.20.38 # hi all 22.20.54 # hm, what is my next language to learn? 22.21.02 # just finished Spanish 22.21.03 # <[IDC]Dragon> C++ 22.21.39 Quit track ("Leaving") 22.21.55 # French? German? Mandarin? Japanese? Arabic? Russian? 22.22.12 # <[IDC]Dragon> Smalltalk? Ruby? 22.23.10 # Plugh: is you learn, french i could help you ;)) 22.23.23 # wow it's late, let me redo it: 22.23.45 # <[IDC]Dragon> uski, lean english ;-) 22.23.50 # <[IDC]Dragon> learn 22.23.59 # Plugh: if you learn french i could help you ;)) 22.24.05 # <[IDC]Dragon> (I need, too) 22.24.08 # I was thinking of French or German 22.24.15 # much better 22.24.15 # gtg 22.24.15 # seeya 22.24.32 Nick uski is now known as uski|aw (~moo@gandalf.digital-network.org) 22.24.34 # I took French in school 21 years ago 22.24.47 Join AciD [0] (~acid@longchamp44-1-82-67-133-87.fbx.proxad.net) 22.24.48 # [IDC]Dragon: :) 22.24.53 # i took french in school 5 hours ago 22.24.53 # and German 14-16 years ago 22.25.07 # heh 22.25.09 # german is much more usefull that spanish (i think) 22.25.19 # heh so it won't be a "cold start" 22.25.20 # not in California 22.25.33 # I finished my Spanish course 22.26.02 # now I can speak enough to find out how to get a beer and where to piss it out 22.26.14 # all you need 22.26.20 # pretty much 22.26.45 # Donde esta el Ban~o? 22.27.12 # Quiero una cerveza. 22.27.37 # Quantos coesta? 22.27.56 # 30 pesos? Bien! 22.33.37 Join dw|gone_ [20] (dwihno@h193180246067.kommunicera.umea.se) 22.33.37 Quit dw|gone (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.36.17 Join mecraw__ [0] (~mecraw@69.2.235.2) 22.36.33 Quit adi|home (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.36.49 Quit mecraw_ (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.46.46 # that was nice 22.47.02 # my 20gig drive is half the size and weight of my 4 23.11.12 Quit edx () 23.14.48 Join Dogger [0] (~jimmy@cpc1-colc1-5-0-cust201.colc.cable.ntl.com) 23.14.57 # hi anyone know how to do serial firmware update? 23.18.54 # <[IDC]Dragon> guess I do ;-) 23.21.48 # ok what settings do I need etc? 23.22.11 # also is there any off the shelf line level converter? or do I *have* to build one 23.22.17 # <[IDC]Dragon> just of curiosity, or why are you asking? 23.23.07 Join track [0] (jirc@ACBE5AB9.ipt.aol.com) 23.23.33 # I'd rather buy one if poss 23.23.40 # I have made one for my playstation before 23.23.46 # used to program it 23.24.30 # <[IDC]Dragon> So, can you use that? 23.24.40 # yeah prolly 23.25.02 # how do I know the connections to make to the archos? 23.25.06 # <[IDC]Dragon> Do you have to UART-boot? 23.25.08 # doesnt seem to say in the mod 23.25.24 # ok I'll come clean... I'm doing work on the AV 23.25.36 # so yeah I need to work out the serial 23.26.06 # <[IDC]Dragon> but not my UART boot, tight? 23.26.12 # <[IDC]Dragon> right? 23.26.34 # <[IDC]Dragon> that's most likely very different. 23.27.44 # <[IDC]Dragon> Everybody, different subject: is there a good ogg -> mp3 converter? 23.30.56 # huh? 23.31.09 # yeah I know AV will be different, but they will prolly have used similar stuff 23.31.34 # cant find out connections to archos for a start 23.32.23 # <[IDC]Dragon> RS232 connections and UART boot are different things, you know? 23.33.11 # <[IDC]Dragon> the UART boot is very specific to the JBR, with the 3 LCD lines pulled low. 23.33.29 # <[IDC]Dragon> For an AV, you won't have these lines... 23.34.43 # ok, I cant find the UART boot info 23.34.49 # where is it on the site? 23.35.05 # how did you find out about the lines? by REing the rom? 23.35.29 # <[IDC]Dragon> yes. 23.35.40 # <[IDC]Dragon> http://joerg.hohensohn.bei.t-online.de/archos/uart_boot/ 23.35.54 # <[IDC]Dragon> (but it won't help you!) 23.36.19 # sure I know it won't 23.36.30 # so is the serial cable any use without that mod? 23.36.36 # does their OS send any info on it? 23.36.48 # any things you can send to do stuff? 23.37.02 # <[IDC]Dragon> yes, you can use gdb 23.37.18 # <[IDC]Dragon> or play with the Archos flash monitor. 23.37.20 # but with the standard archos firmware I mean 23.38.41 # <[IDC]Dragon> You can try to hookup a serial to the AV, if you find out if and where this goes, and just listen. 23.39.01 # <[IDC]Dragon> But don't expect similarities to the JBR. 23.39.09 # <[IDC]Dragon> It's a different CPU. 23.39.48 # any ideas which cpu it is? 23.40.02 # I know the dsp/lcd chip/dram etc 23.40.04 # <[IDC]Dragon> Maybe a TI OMAP. 23.40.49 # <[IDC]Dragon> I'm shure it's TI. 23.40.49 # hmm ok, will have a look for that 23.40.55 # the DSP is a TI 23.41.01 # havent found the cpu yet 23.41.14 # <[IDC]Dragon> A DSP is a CPU. 23.41.37 # what the DSP does everything? 23.41.41 # <[IDC]Dragon> OMAP is an ARM core together with a TI DSP in a SOC. 23.41.47 # o ok, 23.42.09 # well in that case, its a TMS320 I believe 23.42.14 # got a photo of it somewhere 23.42.50 # hmmm am new to these kind of devices 23.42.56 # I'm used to games consoles etc 23.43.15 # www.axod.net/archos.html 23.43.49 # also know the USB2.0/ATA/ATAPI bridge chip it uses 23.43.55 # so I'm making some progress lol 23.43.59 # <[IDC]Dragon> neat box! 23.44.39 # yeah it's got a lovely screen + joystick 23.44.49 # I was expecting a cpu + a dsp 23.44.50 # <[IDC]Dragon> can you make closeups of the chips? 23.45.05 # yeah I have the original images - 6Megapixels 23.45.14 # I have all the chips noted down 23.45.21 # have got datasheets on most 23.45.27 Quit Galik (Remote closed the connection) 23.45.38 # imagine how please I was when I put it back together and it still worked! 23.45.59 # <[IDC]Dragon> That Atmel chip looksno good. 23.46.21 # oh yeah thats an isp 23.46.29 # has another name as well 23.46.32 # <[IDC]Dragon> They make FPGAs, so any sort of custom stuff could be inthere. 23.46.44 # 64 subsection things 23.46.53 # there is another chip like it 23.47.02 # but surely thats just reprogrammable if you want to 23.47.19 # as I understand it you program the chip tell it what you want it to do, then get it to do it? 23.47.48 # the ISSI is 8Megabyte DRAM x2 23.47.52 # <[IDC]Dragon> Very simplified, yes. 23.47.55 # so got 16meg ram to play with 23.48.18 # ok but ur saying if they have programmed it with odd stuff we dont know about, it will be hard to use 23.48.27 # unless we reprogram it from scratch 23.49.20 # <[IDC]Dragon> Are you in VHDL anf FPGA synthesis? 23.49.24 # <[IDC]Dragon> and 23.51.48 # nope not yet 23.51.57 # I just wanna write some games for it for a start though 23.52.03 # not a complete replacement o/s 23.52.07 # *yet* 23.52.33 Join ClosetPacifist [0] (~ClosetPac@newppp09.ts3-3.NewportNews.visi.net) 23.52.48 # <[IDC]Dragon> This box would indeed be a very cool platform, if Archos opens it. 23.53.10 # I'm working on that 23.55.15 # even without their help I will work it out 23.55.58 # <[IDC]Dragon> Hmm, if it's not buit from standard chips which are documented, I don't see that. 23.56.12 # yeah but the dsp is standard 23.56.19 # the screen driver is standard 23.56.25 # the usb2.0/ata is standard 23.56.38 # ok, so some stuff may take longer 23.56.47 # but you can do a lot with just those chips 23.56.55 # <[IDC]Dragon> The ISP has 64 macrocells. No FPGA, not big, but enought to give you a very hard time. 23.57.16 # <[IDC]Dragon> Have you identified the CPU yet? 23.57.21 # well, turns out the hd in my old broken nomad was 6gig. Still an improvement over 4 in my laptop, and it's half the size and weight 23.57.44 # the TI DSP chip? http://www.axod.net/pics/ftree/archos//m2-011.jpg 23.58.08 # I have the full number written down somewhere 23.58.27 Join Zagor [242] (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se)