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00.02.13 #       <LinusN> strstr is a standard C library function, it finds a string within a string
00.03.27 #       <elinenbe> ah.
00.03.29 #       <elinenbe> okay :D
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00.40.08 #       <track> ok
00.41.43 #       <none> anyone know about conflicts w/ the archos and windows XP and how to resolve them =/ . damn thing is restarting my computer
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00.45.09 #       <track> LinusN seen the new Archos Gmini?
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00.50.45 #       <LinusN> track: saw a picture on the web, that's all
00.52.05 #       <LinusN> elinenbe: get a decent camera, or a pair of glasses :-)
00.57.04 #       <Plugh> Linus: cvs seems to have straightened out. I needed to check out a fresh start
00.57.15 #       <Plugh> of course that means I have to re-patch everything
00.57.31 #       <Plugh> but I'm current except for the latest id3.c checkin
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01.05.01 #       <track> what do u think?
01.05.18 #       <track> you pay to download extras (such as recording) off the Archos website
01.05.29 #       <LinusN> that suz
01.05.32 #       <LinusN> sux
01.06.43 #       <track> the 3 plugins to purchase as extras include "MadPlay" "CompactFlash photowallet" and "Recording functions"
01.07.31 #       <track> and also the Gmini can play MP3, WAV and WMA
01.09.47 #       <track> yea Linus whats there to stop people filesharing the Gmini plugins via P2P software?
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01.10.52 #       <LinusN> track: i guess they would be tied to the serial number of the device
01.11.38 #       <track> ohhh
01.11.44 #       <LinusN> just a guess
01.11.54 #       <track> now don't you and Bjorn start charging on this website! (joke)!
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01.29.16 #       <elinenbe> LinusN: I don't know why I can't take close up pictures...
01.29.23 #       <elinenbe> It will not focus no matter what.
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01.32.13 #       <LinusN> elinenbe: i have the same problem with my IXUS
01.32.22 #       <LinusN> time to go to bed
01.32.26 #       <LinusN> nite all!
01.32.40 #       <Plugh> nite Linus
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06.21.11 #       <Dogger> hey
06.21.57 #       <ze> http://psyco.yi.org:8042/chorus1_alt_tripped_eh.mp3
06.22.02 #       <ze> ^^ hey, i sing the blues!
06.22.07 #       <ze> haha.
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06.22.57 #       <Bluechip> any developers in?
06.23.16 #       <ze> dunno, but i sing the blues haha: http://psyco.yi.org:8042/chorus1_alt_tripped_eh.mp3
06.24.01 #       <Dogger> <-- developer, but of AV stuff
06.24.27 #       <Bluechip> ah, was kinda after someone interested in working on some core level rockbox stuff
06.26.45 #       <elinenbe> Bluechip: what's up?
06.28.09 #       <Bluechip> told you i'd crack it!
07.02.14 #       <Dogger> crack what?
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08.57.08 #       <webmind> moin
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10.50.39 #       <track> Morning
10.56.45 #       <track> wheres mikeholden?
10.57.07 #       <webmind> morn
10.57.09 #       <webmind> who?
10.59.04 #       <track> just some smartarse in Sourceforge
10.59.11 #       <webmind> aha
10.59.32 #       <track> he does all the "Admin" work in sourceforge 
10.59.49 #       <webmind> aha
11.00.12 #       <track> he adds a lot of smartyarse comments to some requests
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13.40.47 #       <GEM> quick question - is there anything similar to rockbox for the Archos Multimedia jukebox 20?
13.47.58 #       <dsg> GEM: I don't believe so.
13.52.05 #       <dwihno> Not based on this project, afaik.
13.54.37 #       <dsg> Definately not based on this project -- the Multimedia is a completely different architecture.
13.54.59 #       <dwihno> Indeedo
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14.10.05 #       <MT> i dont suppose anyone has an old player or recorder they want to sell? :/
14.10.16 #       <MT> ebay is really frustrating me :/
14.11.43 #       * webmind doesnt think anyone would want his recorder
14.12.49 #       <MT> as long as it works :/
14.13.23 #       <webmind> it does
14.13.31 #       <dsg> webmind: You had a recorder?
14.13.35 #       <webmind> errr
14.13.35 #       <webmind> no
14.13.36 #       <webmind> player
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14.13.37 #       <webmind> sorry
14.13.41 #       <dsg> Ah. ;)
14.13.44 #       <webmind> damn those bugs in my mind
14.13.45 #       <dsg> Mkay.
14.14.32 #       <MT> hey, as long as it works, and is an archos, id want it :/
14.14.56 #       <webmind> MT, hmm. xcept it has no casing..
14.15.00 #       <webmind> but a 40gb disk
14.15.11 #       <MT> does it work tho? :)
14.15.20 #       <webmind> problem is.. i'd only sell it for the price of a new one :_)
14.15.20 #       <webmind> :)
14.15.24 #       <MT> heh
14.15.36 #       <webmind> but it has upgrades
14.15.48 #       <webmind> 2100mah batteries and bigger disk
14.15.55 #       <webmind> and thinking of an 8mb mem mod
14.16.12 #       <MT> im trying to find a replacement for my fmr, they refunded me as no more exist :/
14.16.23 #       <webmind> what ?
14.16.36 #       <dsg> MT: You should be able to afford a new Recorder then?
14.16.48 #       <MT> i returned it due to faulty headphone socket, they said they couldnt repair, and couldnt find any more
14.17.01 #       <MT> dsg: certainly, but i am tight
14.17.07 #       <MT> :)
14.17.32 #       <MT> well
14.17.36 #       <webmind> they dont make the fmr anymore ?
14.17.56 #       <MT> actually the cheapest recorder i could get would cost a little more than i was refunded
14.18.13 #       <MT> plus id need an external charger, better batteries ..
14.18.26 #       <MT> end up costing about £40 more
14.18.46 #       <webmind> ai
14.18.51 #       <MT> plus i have too many mp3s now, would need new hd too
14.19.13 #       <MT> which is why im scouring ebay for knock down prices on recorder 6000 and players
14.19.28 #       <MT> so i can afford a 40gb hd too
14.25.49 #       <webmind> heh k
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14.25.59 #       * webmind thinks about getting a usb2 250gb drive aswell
14.26.07 #       <webmind> the 40gb isnt enough
14.26.22 #       <dwihno> webmind: I got one of those. Great for backups!
14.26.29 #       <webmind> (although the archos can work without net power)
14.26.32 #       <webmind> dwihno, which brand ?
14.26.36 #       <dwihno> webmind: Maxtor
14.26.38 #       <webmind> ah k
14.26.41 #       <webmind> so they work good ?
14.26.50 #       <dsg> Maxtor... and backups?
14.26.56 #       <dsg> Yikes.
14.27.05 #       <webmind> dsg, onl icelandic maxtor disks suck
14.27.07 #       <webmind> lny
14.27.09 #       <webmind> arg
14.27.09 #       <webmind> only
14.27.26 #       <dsg> Kind of like washing dentist's flouride from your mouth with coca-cola.
14.27.38 #       <dsg> webmind: It's not like Maxtor has an Icelandic fab plant. :)
14.28.04 #       <dsg> Besides, I've seen a Maxtor bought in the States die after ~2.5 years.
14.28.14 #       <webmind> dsg, no.. but they ship their buggy disks only to iceland
14.28.23 #       <webmind> dsg, havent seen one die on me yet
14.28.27 #       <dwihno> webmind: I thought it was Ireland ;D
14.28.32 #       <dsg> webmind: Well. I have. Several. :)
14.28.44 #       <dsg> Wouldn't dream of buying them again.
14.28.48 #       <webmind> dwihno, now.. just everyone puts their helpdesks there
14.28.55 #       <webmind> dsg, i have 2
14.28.58 #       <webmind> work like a charm
14.29.02 #       <dsg> webmind: I had 2.
14.29.32 #       <dsg> Worked like a charm until they died without warning.
14.29.39 #       <dsg> Admittedly I think they lived for 3 years.
14.29.53 #       <dwihno> webmind: why?
14.30.08 #       <dwihno> cheap work force?
14.35.27 #       <webmind> dwihno, dunno
14.35.57 #       <webmind> but in the years i used helpdesks for hardware (long time ago) i always got redirected to some irish dude trying to speak dutch
14.36.53 #       <dwihno> webmind: He said: "smeetfrees! waat haat hoet goet woot!" ? :)
14.41.37 #       <webmind> something like that
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17.53.00 #       <tboy> hoi
17.53.19 #       <tboy> where on the rockbox page does it say 
17.53.29 #       <tboy> how to compile rocks
17.59.28 #       <tboy> someone here must be able to give me a hint
18.03.00 #       <tboy> no need to help
18.03.08 #       <tboy> I'll just do it my self
18.03.13 #       <tboy> *myself
18.05.31 #       <webmind> ok
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18.48.45 #       <Scheme31> Whats up guys/gals?
18.49.01 #       <Scheme31> Anyone wanna help me with my Jukebox?
18.52.26 #       <Scheme31> hello?
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18.53.31 #       <Dogger> hi is anyone still working on the ajz format for AV?
18.53.52 #       <tboy> no one ever did
18.54.03 #       <Dogger> ok I'm starting to make breakthroughs
18.54.12 #       <Dogger> why didnt anyone try?
18.54.18 #       <Dogger> just too much to do too little time?
18.58.32 #       <Scheme31> i got a simple question
19.00.17 #       <tboy> egn
19.00.18 #       <tboy> webmind
19.00.40 #       <tboy> whats the command for reversed make
19.00.49 #       <tboy> while compiling rockb
19.00.58 #       <Scheme31> my jukebox gets stuck on the first screen and sticks there.. whats the deal?
19.01.14 #       <tboy> like if I get an error
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19.01.45 #       <Scheme31> just says "Jukebox 6GB Ver 3.18"   and doesnt do anything else
19.01.50 #       <Scheme31> any help?
19.01.58 #       <tboy> is there somebody who knows
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19.03.39 #       <tboy> someone knows the parameter for reversed compile
19.04.15 #       <tboy> i.e. when errors occure while compiling
19.04.33 #       <Scheme31> i think its just u and me 
19.04.43 #       <tboy> normally that
19.04.44 #       <tboy> way
19.04.48 #       <Scheme31> haha
19.04.57 #       <Scheme31> what kinda player u got?
19.05.01 #       <tboy> but can't help you since I sport a FM
19.05.07 #       <Scheme31> ahhh
19.05.10 #       <Scheme31> yeah same
19.05.20 #       <Scheme31> i have an upgraded jukebox 6000
19.05.33 #       <Scheme31> how are those fm's?
19.05.43 #       <tboy> this one is fine
19.05.54 #       <Scheme31> something wrong with it?
19.05.54 #       <tboy> It looks abit different from the other fms
19.06.23 #       <tboy> abit more tougher
19.06.28 #       <tboy> feeling to it
19.06.39 #       <tboy> no probs
19.06.51 #       <tboy> just wanted to compile something
19.07.02 #       <Scheme31> i cant get mine past the version screen
19.07.08 #       <Scheme31> wont show up thru USB either
19.07.44 #       <tboy> hmm
19.07.53 #       <tboy> do you hear any clicking sounds
19.07.59 #       <tboy> while booting
19.08.14 #       <Scheme31> no
19.08.20 #       <Scheme31> i had that happen with the old drive
19.08.30 #       <Scheme31> it wouldnt do anything before when that happened
19.08.41 #       <Scheme31> so i put in a 30 gig drive
19.08.51 #       <Scheme31> this time its showing that screen
19.08.55 #       <Scheme31> no clicking
19.08.56 #       <tboy> so this is the 30 gig
19.09.06 #       <Scheme31> well i upgraded it myself
19.09.11 #       <tboy> hmm
19.09.23 #       <Scheme31> its been working fine for the past 3 months or so
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19.11.16 #       <tboy> sounds bad
19.11.21 #       <tboy> or maybe not
19.11.41 #       <Scheme31> yeah.. when i was having the problem before with the other one.. some guy in here had a quick fix
19.11.59 #       <Scheme31> but it ended up being the "Bad" problem rather than this one
19.12.04 #       <Scheme31> drive went out
19.12.38 #       <Scheme31> but it didnt do anything before.. now it just gets stuck...
19.13.29 #       <Scheme31> i forget what he said to do tho
19.14.39 #       <tboy> well hope you get this sorted out
19.14.50 #       <tboy> I gotta go
19.14.57 #       <tboy> cya
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19.18.27 #       <Scheme31> anyone here?
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19.25.50 #       <Scheme31> anyone here?
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19.28.18 #       <Scheme31> anyone wanna help me fix my jukebox?
19.30.08 #       <Hadaka> ouch
19.30.29 #       <Hadaka> I think the hd in my archos just died
19.30.34 #       <Hadaka> or almost atleast
19.31.51 #       <Hadaka> anyone have good recommendations for a 2.5" drive?
19.32.08 #       <Scheme31> ummm
19.32.12 #       <Scheme31> what is it doing?
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19.32.47 #       <miner_69er> hi! does anyone wanna try out my version of snake?
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19.33.31 #       <Hadaka> continuously seeking, making a chugging sound when I power it on - at times it manages to read even something, but very very slowly
19.34.02 #       <miner_69er> no?
19.34.07 #       <Scheme31> does any screens pop up?
19.34.17 #       <Scheme31> or is it always a blank screen?
19.36.54 #       <miner_69er> i feel really rejected now
19.37.04 #       <Scheme31> haha
19.37.18 #       <Scheme31> i dont have that type of player but if i did i would try it  ;)
19.37.40 #       <miner_69er> oh, all right then
19.38.56 #       <Scheme31> wanna help me with my jukebox?
19.39.39 #       <miner_69er> yeah, okay
19.40.12 #       <miner_69er> whats the problem?
19.40.16 #       <Scheme31> when i turn it on.. it wont go past the  "Jukebox 6GB Ver: 3.18" screen
19.40.21 #       <Scheme31> stays there
19.40.38 #       <Hadaka> Scheme31: ata error comes up at times, at times it boots through that and triest to start playing, but it can't read the HD fast enough to play
19.41.06 #       <Scheme31> no error shows
19.41.33 #       <Scheme31> "part. Error pls chck HD"
19.41.35 #       <miner_69er> i don't know, u got rockbox on it?
19.41.35 #       <Scheme31> fuck
19.41.37 #       <Scheme31> whats that
19.41.39 #       <Scheme31> yeah
19.42.34 #       <miner_69er> have you tried removing it? is the problem still there?
19.43.03 #       <Scheme31> i havent tried to remove the drive
19.43.19 #       <Scheme31> maybe taking it out and re-inserting it?
19.45.07 #       <Hadaka> I'll be taking my unit apart if the problem persists after I drop it a time or two
19.45.26 #       <Scheme31> haha yeah was just gunna say that
19.45.34 #       <Scheme31> unscrewing as we speak  ;)
19.45.35 #       <miner_69er> well, try the drive in a pc with a 3.5 to 2.5 converter. 
19.45.55 #       <Scheme31> got it
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19.47.57 #       <miner_69er> i don't know a great deal. You're probably better posting a question in the rockbox mailing list.
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19.54.12 #       <Scheme31> yeah
19.54.19 #       <Scheme31> well thanks fer yer help...
19.54.56 #       <miner_69er> hey, no problem
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21.44.49 #       <track> hi Zagor
21.44.57 #       <Zagor> hi
21.45.06 #       <track> :-)
21.45.10 #       <track> welcome to IRC
21.45.43 #       <track> Zagor seen the new Archos Gmini?
21.45.46 #       <Zagor> yes
21.45.59 #       <track> what u think?
21.46.04 #       <track> doing a rockbox for that?
21.46.25 #       <Zagor> probably not. the cpu for that thing is one big mystery.
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21.48.49 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Hiya!
21.48.56 #       <Zagor> hi dragon!
21.49.33 #       <[IDC]Dragon> we can continue talking startup here...
21.49.43 #       <Zagor> sure
21.49.55 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I'd like to get some infrastructure first:
21.50.22 #       <[IDC]Dragon> We should splid the config load into RTC and disk seperately.
21.50.27 #       <[IDC]Dragon> split
21.50.45 #       <[IDC]Dragon> So he have a chance for early config.
21.50.48 #       <Zagor> yes
21.50.50 #       <[IDC]Dragon> we
21.50.57 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Grr typos!
21.51.05 #       <Zagor> hehe
21.51.22 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I was thinking of using the 40 bytes a bit different:
21.51.38 #       <[IDC]Dragon> as a stream of bits.
21.51.51 #       <[IDC]Dragon> So there won't be unused gaps.
21.52.33 #       <[IDC]Dragon> (no arithmetic coding yet, don't worry)
21.52.54 #       <Zagor> and just using bit numbers to identify the location of specific values?
21.53.11 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I meant, read 3 bits for an item, 2 for the next, etc.
21.53.23 #       <[IDC]Dragon> without caring for byte boundaries.
21.53.49 #       <[IDC]Dragon> We serialize/deserialize them only once, as bulk.
21.54.26 #       <Zagor> would we really gain much?
21.54.36 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Or maybe you could address them as bit number and size, if you want "random access".
21.54.58 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Dunno, was just an idea since everything's used up now.
21.55.51 #       <Zagor> 0x31 is still free :)
21.56.12 #       <[IDC]Dragon> One day I was looking for some unused bit to remember the play state for resume, but found none.
21.56.43 #       <Zagor> the top run time value could be moved to disk, too
21.57.03 #       <Zagor> 0x2f looks like it has a few bits free
21.57.08 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Yes, we could re-balance some items.
21.58.23 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Anyway, if nobody objects I'd do some coding on it as time allows.
21.58.55 #       <Zagor> i don't think the gain is worth the abstraction
21.59.05 #       <Zagor> at least I haven't been convinced yet :)
21.59.47 #       <[IDC]Dragon> It's more generic, no more fiddling with masks, etc. You just have to define the order and bit size.
22.03.15 #       <Zagor> well, maybe. but it doesn't really solve any problem, does it? i'd like to think about it for a bit, ok?
22.04.19 #       <[IDC]Dragon> It gives us a couple of extra bits or bytes to put information. But the main thing is seperating RTC and disk config.
22.05.07 #       <Zagor> rtc and disk is already separated. see load_config_buffer()
22.05.22 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Right now the poor charging algorithm has to work with some defaults.
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22.08.00 #       <Zagor> how will serializing the config data help separating rtc from disk btw? all of it doesn't fit into the rtc anyway.
22.08.00 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Yeah, without looking at it I was assuming it can't be difficult to split.
22.08.53 #       <[IDC]Dragon> It won't help the seperation at all, it was just an idea I had while being at the subject.
22.09.06 #       <Zagor> ok
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22.18.52 #       <elinenbe> Zagor: you do not like my suggestions...
22.19.03 #       <elinenbe> about the plugins?
22.19.35 #       <Zagor> i haven't really made up my mind about it.
22.21.46 #       <Zagor> we discussed using categories before announcing plugins, but decided against if for the reasons i mentioned in the mail. but i'm not above reconsidering that decision.
22.22.29 #       <elinenbe> minimally there should be some things fixed... like if you do not have any .fnt files in the dir... a blank screen comes up
22.22.56 #       <Zagor> yeah
22.23.49 #       <elinenbe> that is confusing.
22.24.14 #       <elinenbe> I don't understand why you are agains a couple of subdirs in the .rockbox dir?
22.24.39 #       <track> Zagor i have a problem with the bass booster
22.24.43 #       <elinenbe> ...  /fonts /wps /games /apps /utils /cfg .....
22.29.57 #       <Zagor> elinenbe: i'm not really against it. i just don't want to end up in a situation where we wind up with a "misc" dir at the end because we can't categorise plugins
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22.42.45 #       <track> hi
22.47.54 #       <elinenbe> well, you just need to think of what will be there.
22.48.30 #       <elinenbe> we have Games, Applications, Utilities, Demos, Fonts, Configs, While Playing Screens
22.48.43 #       <track> I love an italic version of the Atadore font
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23.19.02 #       <track> Linus hiya!
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23.19.09 #       <LinusN> yo
23.19.14 #       <track> :-)
23.19.19 #       <track> Did u find a solution to my bug?
23.19.36 #       <LinusN> haven't looked at it yet
23.19.37 #       <Zagor> LinusN: why did you change wps.c?
23.20.17 #       <LinusN> because i didn't like the way the boolean was assigned
23.20.33 #       <Zagor> ?
23.20.56 #       <LinusN> or rather, compared
23.21.16 #       <LinusN> paused != (mpeg_status & MPEG_STATUS_PAUSE)
23.21.29 #       <Zagor> ah, right. i agree with that one.
23.21.33 #       <LinusN> MPEG_STATUS_PAUSE is 2
23.21.44 #       <Zagor> however I don't agree with the bool assignment using ?:
23.21.53 #       <Zagor> completely unneccessary
23.21.57 #       <LinusN> how would you like it then?
23.22.11 #       <Zagor> bool mpeg_paused = mpeg_status() & MPEG_STATUS_PAUSE;
23.22.24 #       <LinusN> bool mpeg_paused = 2;
23.22.32 #       <Zagor> bool cannot be 2
23.22.42 #       <Zagor> it will be 'true'
23.23.07 #       <LinusN> ah right
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