--- Log for 05.11.103 Server: zelazny.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16p1 Started: 10 days and 21 hours ago 00.16.50 Nick LinusN|lurk is now known as LinusN (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 00.17.31 Mode "#rockbox +o LinusN " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 00.18.35 # top_bloke: "generic buttonbar functionality" means that i have moved the f-key bar code from the keyboard text entry code to a more generic place, so it can be used by other code 00.19.03 # ok thanks 00.19.15 # i thought it was some change to what the f buttons do 00.19.19 # not yet 00.19.22 Quit thedude02 () 00.19.47 # its planned though? 00.19.52 # yes 00.20.05 # ok cool 00.20.33 # http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2003-08/0584.shtml 00.22.06 # no more quick screens? 00.23.15 # not if i get to decide 00.23.22 # zagor likes them though 00.23.23 # i think there should be a button that dumps u back to the wps no matter how many menus deep you are 00.24.08 # like youre in main->sound->bass, you have to hit f1 3 times to get out 00.25.01 # yeah, i know 00.25.23 # i'd be cool if u could hit 1 button to get out 00.25.30 # it'd 00.25.43 # the problem is that we don't have many keys to play with 00.25.51 # especially not on the Player 00.26.01 # ah 00.26.27 # well f1 isnt doing anything in that setup 00.26.46 # f1 is a good candidate 00.26.50 # and the players have to use off i guess 00.29.27 Join midknight2k3 [0] (lala@AC991CB2.ipt.aol.com) 00.29.36 # hillo 00.29.53 # helo 00.30.31 # hi 00.30.40 # mid 00.30.49 # hi top 00.31.13 # u do anything toward the animated menus? 00.31.26 # nah 00.31.33 # u should 00.31.35 # first my fm radio patch 00.31.39 # deadline: tonight 00.31.40 # boo 00.31.46 # uh oh 00.31.57 # what 00.32.01 # its almost done 00.32.04 # nothing 00.32.09 # u got a deadline 00.32.15 # its almost done 00.32.21 # i see 00.32.41 # you do indeed 00.33.26 # certainly 00.33.37 # of course 00.33.54 # without question 00.33.55 # indeed 00.34.03 # for sure 00.34.08 # absolutely 00.34.13 # positively 00.34.14 # undeniably 00.34.22 # uh.. 00.34.25 # for surely 00.34.28 # yes 00.34.29 # no 00.34.34 # affirmatively 00.34.35 # that dont count 00.34.37 # i win 00.34.39 # damn 00.35.33 # i got nothing 00.35.42 # lol 00.35.57 # i thought i had it 00.41.15 Join Jet8810 [0] (~Jet8810@adsl-158-225-55.mia.bellsouth.net) 00.42.32 # hi jet 00.43.20 # Jet8810 00.43.29 # hey midknight! 00.43.35 # haha, yea you blued my xchat tab ) 00.43.52 # ? 00.43.57 # oh lol 00.44.04 # when somebody says my exact user name, tab has blue text to get my attention 00.44.04 # :) 00.44.17 # good 00.44.23 # now i know 00.44.32 # i set mine to make a ding sound if anyone says my name or any variation 00.44.46 # ie, mk, midk, midknight, mid, midk2k3, midknight2k3... 00.45.03 # mid range speakers 00.45.06 # (bing) 00.45.16 # try again linus 00.45.47 # mid range speakers 00.45.51 # (bing bing) 00.45.53 # hahah 00.45.54 # yeah 00.45.59 # and the tab turns green 00.46.00 # yea 00.46.07 # im listning to radio anyway 00.46.10 # mid range speakers.. hee 00.49.00 Part top_bloke 00.49.27 Join top_bloke [0] (oayxp@dsc02-chc-il-199-35-146-203.rasserver.net) 00.49.36 Quit midknight2k3 (Excess Flood) 00.49.52 Join midknight2k3 [0] (lala@AC991CB2.ipt.aol.com) 00.51.19 Join scott666 [0] (scott666@c-24-245-58-245.mn.client2.attbi.com) 00.52.08 # hi scott 00.52.25 # hey 00.52.36 # got an fmr right 00.52.43 # yeah 00.52.54 # god the chp8 games are horrible 00.52.55 # lol 00.53.07 # lol 00.53.08 # yes they are 00.53.40 # i tried em all out today 00.53.46 # my fm radio patch will work well 00.54.32 Join Norrin [0] (~JSmith123@ip68-13-107-239.om.om.cox.net) 01.05.05 Join midk2k3 [0] (lala@AC91CD15.ipt.aol.com) 01.05.07 Quit midknight2k3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.05.16 Nick midk2k3 is now known as midknight2k3 (lala@AC91CD15.ipt.aol.com) 01.07.51 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.24.05 Join zsqare [0] (~huszcak@c-24-125-81-212.va.client2.attbi.com) 01.24.17 # is there any way i can fix a hard drive? 01.24.21 # instead of buying a new one? 01.24.29 # is it broken? 01.24.31 # whats wrong with it? 01.24.35 # cuz i'm pretty sure it is physically broken 01.24.42 # it makes a clicking noise 01.24.43 # as it runs 01.24.50 # sounds broken to me 01.24.52 # is it the default one? 01.24.52 # and displays the typical hd error 01.24.58 # default what? 01.25.01 # HD 01.25.03 # yeah 01.25.10 # the hitachi 01.25.11 # they make funny noises 01.25.11 # scott's all over this guy 01.25.12 # lol 01.25.46 # anyway, is there any way to repair it 01.25.53 # or do you need "special" training 01.25.54 # no 01.26.02 # not really 01.26.13 # if its physicially broken all you can do is replace it 01.26.20 # any suggestions for replacements? 01.26.20 # or sell it on ebay "as is" 01.26.32 # (hard drives) 01.26.38 # right now i've got the 10 gb 01.26.45 # how much do you need? 01.26.49 # well 01.26.55 # at least the 10 01.26.56 # but 01.27.01 # i want to upgrade cause i now have more than 20gb of mp3s 01.27.01 # if its gonna cost me 01.27.13 # so i'd go for a 60gb 01.27.13 # 20 bucks more for something significantly larger 01.27.20 # but if you only need 10... 01.27.23 # well 01.27.36 # i've got about 8 gb of mp3's 01.27.40 # id say go for the best deal within your pricerange/needs 01.27.44 # www.pricewatch.com 01.27.49 # and have a 20 gb hard drive 01.27.55 # so probably 30 would be good 01.28.03 # IBM travelstar 80gb 5400rpm $500 high end super powerful ultra cool drive? 01.28.14 # just a suggestion 01.28.20 # does it meet all the power reqs? 01.28.41 # hehe 01.28.53 # if its 5400 i would guess not 01.29.13 # i'm lookin for an EIDE drive right? 01.29.57 Join thedude02 [0] (~thefirstd@pm474-17.dialip.mich.net) 01.30.07 # make sure its a 2.5 inch one 01.30.10 # k 01.30.15 # 9.5mm 01.30.29 # 5400rmp ones work too 01.30.51 # Has anyone been on the Archos website lately? What's the FM Recorder V2? 01.30.59 # fm recorder v2? 01.31.01 # not good 01.31.03 # you mean Recorder V2 01.31.09 # Yep. 01.31.19 # What's the difference versus V1 01.31.24 # it's a repackaged recorder 01.31.26 # v2 is rockbox proof 01.31.34 # i see 20GBs for around $90 01.31.40 # v2 is based on the fm recorder design 01.31.46 # with liion battery etc 01.31.46 # AND rockbox proof 01.32.01 # when will they learn, rockbox HELPS them sell 01.32.02 # i thought we fixed it? 01.32.04 # they are losing customers 01.32.15 # that's the recorders with V2 boot rom we fixed i think 01.32.22 # if you could call it "fixed" 01.32.25 # but the funniest thing is that the current batch of v2 recorders they are selling are in fact FM recorders 01.32.37 # minus fm 01.32.38 # lol 01.32.39 # midknight2k3: v2 boot has nothing to do with it 01.32.42 # I can't even find any documentation on it. 01.32.44 # i know 01.32.44 # midknight2k3: not minus fm 01.32.50 # i think thats what scott was referring too 01.32.51 # the radio is a for-pay downloadable plugin 01.32.54 # the FM is there! 01.32.54 # not minus fm? 01.33.00 # oh yeah 01.33.08 # but the arshos firmware hides it 01.33.15 # scott: you download stuff for the gmini 01.33.19 # not the rec v2 01.33.32 Quit zsqare () 01.33.38 # im sure i read that somewhere 01.33.45 # Anyone messed with the Gmini yet? Looks cool but probably another failed attempt by Archos. 01.34.15 # scott666: no, that is indeed for the Gmini 01.35.20 # rockbox on the recorder v2 enables the fm radio :-) 01.35.50 # i thought rockbox wont run on it 01.35.53 # right? 01.35.53 # would we need separate builds for v2 recorders? 01.36.05 # however, next production batch of the v2 will probably not have the fm radio chips mounted 01.36.10 # scott666: yes 01.36.19 # linus: you mean we broke into it 01.36.20 # ? 01.36.27 # rockbox does run on it? 01.36.37 # i thought it wasn't gonna happen 01.36.44 # the v2 recorder needs a different scrambler 01.37.01 # but it is 100% compatible with the fm recorder firmware 01.37.04 # how can you scramble it without knowing how? 01.37.14 # because i know how 01.37.16 # i thought there was no firmware file 01.37.20 # I think he does know how 01.37.22 # i read about it at funmp3 players 01.37.29 # dude: very observant 01.37.49 # you should be a detective! :D 01.38.01 # as soon as archos published the firmware filem it wasn't hard to figure out 01.38.08 # they published it? 01.38.10 # haha 01.38.11 # yes 01.38.13 # i didnt know that 01.38.20 # lol 01.38.22 # they keep feeding you the stuff you want 01.38.33 # here's the firmware - make rockbox run on it 01.38.35 # http://www.archos.com/download/firmware.html 01.39.01 # the thread on funmp3players continued after you read it 01.39.17 # probably 01.39.19 # it looked dead 01.39.33 # http://www.funmp3players.com/forum/topic.asp?topic_id=7114&forum_id=8&Topic_Title=Getting+Back+To+Rockbox+%2D+AJBRec20v2&forum_title=General+%2D+Jukebox+Player%2FRecorder&M=False&S=True 01.39.43 # http://www.funmp3players.com/forum/topic.asp?topic_id=7119&forum_id=8&Topic_Title=New+Recorder+Version+2+has+FM&forum_title=General+%2D+Jukebox+Player%2FRecorder&M=False&S=True 01.39.43 # looks are often deceivingh 01.39.53 # lol@address 01.39.57 # dude: once more, very observant 01.39.59 # false=true 01.40.04 Quit mecraw ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)") 01.40.07 Join track [0] (jirc@ACBB72C2.ipt.aol.com) 01.40.42 # hi 01.40.43 # Another question: If you got tired of the Archos FM Recorder, what other MP3 player would you consider? 01.40.58 # the scrambling algorithm hasn't changed 01.41.00 # wow 01.41.02 # hi track 01.41.10 # hi mid 01.41.13 # no dude 01.41.16 # IF I had an archos I would probably get an iPod 01.41.21 # m is false, s is true 01.41.24 # only a field in the header, probablky to make sure that the user doesn't install the wrong firmware 01.41.28 # dude: use rockbox before you speak 01.41.30 # Norrin what about one of the Nomad Zens? 01.41.30 # ah 01.41.45 # i'm not sure what i would use 01.41.48 # or the iRiver 01.41.54 # good point 01.42.04 # linus 01.42.13 # LinusN do the ch8 games have sounds? 01.42.14 # i would never use a device with DRM, or a device that required a special database program to load it with songs 01.42.18 # track: no 01.42.18 # have you merged the recorder v2 firmware into the original recorder firmware? 01.42.23 # ok 01.42.27 # midknight2k3: no use 01.42.29 # i see no additional category 01.42.33 # fm recorder firmware then? 01.42.45 # the fm and v2 firmware are the same 01.42.47 # I think I would stay with my current one: my Dell Axim X5 Pocket PC 01.42.50 # linusN maybe said devices will find it compulsory to have DRM in the future 01.42.50 # ok 01.42.56 # I actually looked at one. Whatever player I replace my Archos with needs to show up as a drive so I don't have to use special software to transfer files. 01.42.56 # all i need is to scramble them differently 01.42.59 # dude: what, 64mb of mp3's 01.43.00 # haha 01.43.14 # no 01.43.20 # 300MB of MP3s 01.43.20 # 32mb? 01.43.27 # or 20gb mp3s 01.43.33 # Norrin the Archos is the only player that has basic drag and drop 01.43.33 # i choose 20gb. 01.43.33 # I have a 256MB SD card 01.43.36 # 300mb is still a laugh 01.43.38 # the others require software 01.43.42 # lol 01.43.52 # and I could get a 4GB Microdrive 01.44.01 # STILL a laugh :-) 01.44.06 # haha 01.44.13 # archos whips that 01.44.16 # 4.3GB 01.44.17 # but they are pushing memory cards up to 10Gb 01.44.26 # can your x5 have a VU METER? 01.44.30 # yeah 01.44.34 # DU meter 01.44.34 # not really 01.44.49 # dunno if they made one for the Windows Mobile 2003 yet 01.44.54 # they didnt 01.44.58 # why would they 01.45.05 # good point 01.45.09 # but why would I want one 01.45.18 # because your x5 is so cool right 01.45.24 # what about the archos AV units? 01.45.25 # anyways 01.45.27 # yeah 01.45.29 # fm patch out in a few... 01.45.34 # it's out of make now 01.45.37 # unfortunately 01.45.45 # it was the best PPC around 01.45.48 # CF and SD 01.45.48 # in the meantime, linus, we removed peak_meter_playback(true)? 01.45.49 # well theres the Ondio 01.45.53 # that has FM 01.46.02 # err enabled i think 01.46.35 # Gotta go, thanks for the info. You guys still Rock. I would have trashed my Archos long ago if it weren't for Rockbox! 01.46.43 # lol 01.46.43 # good to hear 01.46.48 # dude needs to learn that too 01.47.01 # midknight2k3: i don't know what would look best 01.47.04 # midknight don't forget the ipod has a huge fan base 01.47.14 # track 01.47.18 # i held an ipod a few days ago 01.47.18 # well I dont have an archos nor do I want an MP3 player 01.47.21 # playback(true) is probably best 01.47.22 # what a hunk of garbage 01.47.30 # why? 01.47.31 # I dont give 01.47.34 # it has a metal chassis 01.47.41 # track: its stupid 01.47.44 # ok 01.47.49 # opininons 01.47.51 # thedude02: ...and whay are you here then??? :-) 01.47.52 # going 01.47.52 # rest your finger on the buttons and bam, oops i forgot they're SENSORS 01.48.00 # lol 01.48.05 # so fussy 01.48.09 # ot 01.48.09 # the main wheel is also a touchsensitive thing 01.48.12 # press it easy and it goes, press it hard then it goes 01.48.15 # i know 01.48.17 # too jumpy 01.48.21 # press it once, it wont move 01.48.27 # press it twice, it works twice 01.48.29 # all over the place 01.48.32 # dont give 01.48.33 # bad idea 01.48.34 # dont care 01.48.36 # dude: fine 01.48.42 # dont want mp3 player 01.48.42 # im not sure about the devices with built-in batteries 01.48.46 # ok then 01.48.49 # yeah 01.48.51 # once the battery is dead you are stuffed 01.48.55 # that's a good point 01.48.56 # track? 01.49.04 # yea? 01.49.04 # they battery gets you stuffed once per 5 years 01.49.08 # they last a while you know 01.49.16 # yeah but 01.49.18 Quit Norrin () 01.49.21 # yea but what if you use your mp3 device heavily all day like mine? 01.49.23 # dude: are you the spectator or something 01.49.29 # the battery will wear out faster 01.49.32 # exactly 01.49.37 # track: as a music server for your old ladies? 01.49.41 # dude: please 01.49.48 # they are not old ladies you faggot 01.49.54 # "GASP" 01.50.18 # i always remember you told me that your roomates were old ladies 01.50.27 # they are NOT old ladies 01.50.30 # so behave 01.50.34 # you behave 01.50.36 # room ates.............. 01.50.47 # good thing i finally digured out how to use ignore 01.50.54 # when dude was bugging me out of my brains 01.51.01 # lol 01.51.10 # midknight you fret far too easily 01.51.17 # fret? 01.51.18 # you dont know me 01.51.20 # you were mean to me 01.51.24 # we know you dont 01.51.25 # i know you 01.51.31 # if you did you would do the same as he didd 01.51.34 # sigh 01.51.37 # mid is dude picking on u? 01.51.45 # was 01.51.46 # not really 01.51.48 # no morw 01.51.49 # should he be? 01.51.57 # yeah] 01.52.00 # JK 01.52.06 # midknight try speaking a bit nicer to everyone :-) 01.52.14 # ok track 01.52.18 # yeah he should 01.52.18 # how are your roomates? 01.52.19 # good 01.52.26 # very well thanks 01.52.28 # great 01.52.32 # ;-) 01.52.38 # and your air plane bus driving job? 01.52.49 # which doesn't exist but is still reffered to? 01.52.50 # crap like it always is 01.52.55 # i'm sure 01.52.55 # it does exist 01.52.58 # ok 01.53.04 # i didnt think so but i guess i was wrong 01.53.10 # so uh 01.53.14 # what happened today at work? 01.53.17 # well aren't we here to talk MP3 things? 01.53.22 # its my day off 01.53.24 # today 01.53.29 # brb 01.53.30 # lol 01.53.32 # ok 01.53.35 # im sure it is 01.53.36 # very nice 01.54.39 # i may buy an archos rec 20 01.54.44 # to replace my ageing 10 01.54.50 # haa 01.54.58 # usb2.0 rulez 01.55.01 # bye 01.55.03 # bye 01.55.03 # bye 01.55.05 # yeah it does 01.55.08 Quit thedude02 (Client Quit) 01.55.09 # i have a USB2.0 card on my PC 01.55.19 # Linus how can u make USB1.1 like USB2? 01.55.28 # you can't 01.55.31 # haha 01.55.33 # why not? 01.55.35 # thats good 01.55.39 # that goes down in the books 01.55.43 # the sockets are the same physical size 01.55.45 # Linus how can u make USB1.1 like USB2? 01.55.54 # its not got a same chip 01.56.05 # ok 01.56.15 # i wonder if there will be a USB3.0 01.56.20 # probably 01.56.30 # or firewire 01.56.41 # there is a firewire track 01.56.49 # or ieee139 01.56.55 # iee1394 01.57.43 # LinusN I copied 6Gb of data to my Archos in one hit and it didn't crash 01.57.50 # and thats on USB1.1 01.58.00 # why should it crash? 01.58.15 # haha 01.58.17 # good one 01.58.17 # because you say that sustained copying drains so much power the charger can't keep up 01.58.22 # ah 01.58.49 # but my Archos was red-hot when it finished though 01.58.53 # hehe 01.59.10 # I think thats why they are metal, it acts as a heatsink 01.59.49 # to keep the HD cool 02.00.20 # no mh around 02.00.29 # yeah 02.00.30 # thats it 02.00.37 # no mh around 02.00.48 # ? 02.00.57 # nothing 02.01.07 # u don;t' even know what i meant 02.01.16 # i noticed 02.01.32 # when i say peak_meter_peek() you dont know what i mean 02.01.33 # we're even 02.01.34 # lol 02.01.34 # mh as in 200mh batteries 02.01.41 # its mah, not mh 02.01.42 # 2000mh batteries 02.01.45 # ok 02.02.04 # 2000mah batteries 02.02.14 # ok 02.02.24 # yea when i said mh i meant as in batteries 02.03.18 # i didn't mean mh as in your mate 02.03.39 # mh = mate? 02.03.50 # m***h***** 02.04.01 # mateh..... 02.04.27 # or mr holden 02.04.37 Quit hardeep (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.04.41 # oh 02.04.42 # lol 02.05.36 # lol 02.05.39 # mr smartyarse 02.06.30 # he 02.06.31 # he 02.08.19 # he is 02.12.54 # just great 02.13.46 # at being smartyarsey 02.15.24 Quit track ("Leaving") 02.26.06 Part scott666 02.26.52 Join thedude02 [0] (~thefirstd@pm476-11.dialip.mich.net) 02.28.22 Quit top_bloke (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.41.19 Quit thedude02 (Client Quit) 03.07.52 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.13.46 Join thedude02 [0] (~thefirstd@pm476-11.dialip.mich.net) 03.14.12 # on klient? 03.14.18 # no 03.14.20 # mIRC 03.14.33 # AHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA 03.14.38 # revolverlution 03.15.04 # FU 03.15.07 # ck 03.15.10 # you 03.15.15 # why 03.15.31 # because u meik fun of me all of da time 03.16.22 # beecoz u meik fan ov mie all da taim 03.20.37 Quit thedude02 () 03.39.56 Part LinusN 04.27.28 # hi jet 04.27.30 # Jet8810 05.07.54 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.34.00 # bye all 05.34.08 Quit midknight2k3 () 07.07.55 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.25.12 Join matsl [0] (~matsl@dhcp86.contactor.se) 07.35.48 Quit schuepf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.42.48 Join o-_-o [0] (~manju@203-195-203-113.now-india.net.in) 07.42.55 # hello 07.43.13 # hello 07.45.39 # have you used pfaedit ? 07.46.06 # Yes. 07.46.21 # cool :-) 07.46.25 # * o-_-o thanks the gods 07.46.36 # ok...the little window above each font 07.46.47 # there is a character right ? 07.47.05 # Let me launch pfaedit ... 07.47.12 # ok... 07.48.30 # you see the list of characters in a font 07.48.48 # above each character is what it is supposed to be ? 07.50.33 # Damn. I don't have pfaedit on this workstation :( 07.50.38 # I think it is. 07.50.56 # because I have a problem... 07.51.00 # let me explain it 07.51.08 # I am trying to make fonts for devangari 07.51.15 # devanagari* 07.51.30 Quit k3no (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 07.51.40 # the devanagari characters in unicode is not complete 07.51.46 # the rest of the character 07.52.12 # set is the in the private use area 07.52.23 # there is not standard yet for those characters 07.52.56 # pfaedit gives me some (devanagari) characters in that place, is it reading those from an existing font ? 07.53.06 # or is it inbuilt into pfaedit 07.53.13 # that is my questions 07.53.16 # question* 07.53.33 # because if it is inbuilt then whoever designs a font using pfaedit follows that standard 07.53.52 # but there is another standard which is floating on the web also 07.54.18 # so I need to know what the character in the little window above each actual font character represent ? 07.54.31 # a template or just a read out from an existing font 07.55.33 # :-) 07.57.24 # Well, using pfaedit only gives you the specific font data, afaik. 07.57.39 # So everything it interprets is actually font data. 07.57.44 # but this is a new font I started :-) 07.57.53 # so where is it getting the data from ? 07.58.43 # it is telling me what character needs to be a particular place, by showing a character at that place 07.59.04 # is it getting it from another font on my system or it inbuilt into pfaedit 07.59.45 # Well, in the "main" window, it does show some kind of helping glyphs 08.00.06 # ok... 08.00.13 # those helping glyphs 08.00.23 # are in built ? 08.04.05 # I guess they use some kind of standard font. 08.04.14 # ok... 08.05.08 # can I get this font anywhere ? 08.05.09 # :-) 08.06.09 # Not that I know 08.06.46 # ok... 08.12.04 # alright thanks for your help 08.20.14 # not that it was much of a help ;D 08.20.43 # :D 08.20.51 # still something is better than nothing 08.26.51 Quit o-_-o ("Leaving") 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nope 16.03.44 # great 16.03.45 # :P 16.03.52 # is it ? 16.03.53 # well 16.03.59 # it is nice and quiet yes... 16.04.43 # btw, i can't remember... there's not a rockbox "charge only" yet, no? 16.04.55 # huh ? 16.04.58 # i mean, like when you plug the carger with the jukebox off 16.05.13 # and starts that charging screen with archos firmware 16.05.14 # If you flash the box,yes. 16.05.26 # FLash your box, and it'll use the rockbox loader 16.05.35 # dwihno, i have my box flashed 16.05.54 # even.. i can say i flashed it even before than you :P 16.06.30 # (but i still use that first version, with no archos on "safe boot" mode) 16.07.12 # just wanted to know.. as i have to re-flash it again to get that flash-rockbox ver.2 16.08.45 # \o/ 16.08.48 # flash flash! 16.09.48 # i should do it, as soon as i have time 16.09.50 # :P 16.10.15 # dwihno, no flash for player right ? 16.13.02 # webmind: there is flash for player, afaik. 16.13.14 # hmm,, which is up2date ? 16.13.57 # erhm. dunno? :) 16.14.11 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(countrey) 21.55.30 # UK 21.55.35 # ah 21.55.41 # yeah I knew that 21.55.54 # I'm just not stinking properly 21.55.56 # bye! 21.55.58 # goota go 21.56.02 Quit thedude02 () 21.59.12 # I'm just not stinking properly 21.59.12 # wtf? 21.59.29 Quit scott666 ("i'll be back...eventually...") 22.05.24 Join Dogger [0] (~jimmy@cpc3-colc1-5-0-cust13.colc.cable.ntl.com) 22.05.47 Quit track ("Leaving") 22.22.11 Join gsn [0] (~guest@p508B62A5.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.26.28 Join Cheek [0] (~alberto@cc54259-a.assen1.dr.home.nl) 22.28.01 # hey anyone around? 22.28.12 Quit gsn () 22.29.16 # <[IDC]Dragon> I'm here, working on Rockbox. 22.29.23 # hey IDC 22.29.33 # anyone in here know arm assembly? 22.29.42 # <[IDC]Dragon> Hey Snoop Doggy Dog 22.29.44 # or know where I find a good assembler/disassembler for linux? 22.29.51 # <[IDC]Dragon> I know ARM 22.30.08 # really? 22.30.14 # <[IDC]Dragon> there is a gnu toolchain 22.30.27 # <[IDC]Dragon> dunno about disassemblers 22.30.30 # ok, where do I get that from? 22.30.40 # <[IDC]Dragon> (I earn my bread programming ARM) 22.30.41 # any websites where I can find opcodes etc? 22.30.43 # cool, 22.30.49 # I just wanted to do an infinite loop 22.30.56 # to check my code is getting executed 22.31.05 # if it locks, BRILLIANT! 22.31.30 # <[IDC]Dragon> branch is just "b" 22.31.57 # any ideas on hex bytes? 22.32.05 # <[IDC]Dragon> not here at home 22.32.32 Nick LinusN|away is now known as LinusN (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 22.32.39 # <[IDC]Dragon> Hi linus 22.32.43 # ok, so are all arm instruction sets the same basically, 22.32.48 # hi 22.32.50 # or do I need to look at arm7 specifically? 22.32.52 # hi linus 22.32.59 # I got some code to run! 22.33.05 # <[IDC]Dragon> I think I found some unsafe code about port read-modify-write 22.33.21 # [IDC]Dragon: oh? 22.33.21 # and now have a secure envornment to develop without breaking my archos! (Unless I accidently write to flash) 22.33.33 # <[IDC]Dragon> Dogger: no, they are alike. 22.33.46 # ok, so I can just find arm assembly stuff and it should work 22.34.14 # <[IDC]Dragon> LinusN: we do PBDR |= 0x... all the time 22.34.32 # <[IDC]Dragon> and it's not locked against an interrupt. 22.34.47 # <[IDC]Dragon> So interrupts can't use those ports. 22.34.55 # is that a problem? 22.35.11 # <[IDC]Dragon> I can't assure none does. 22.35.36 # it's a design decision we've made 22.35.50 # <[IDC]Dragon> It just became a problem for me, using port B in an ISR to output on the remote pin. 22.36.25 # <[IDC]Dragon> I have to do it inan ISR, else the timing is too jittered. 22.36.41 # ouch 22.37.05 # <[IDC]Dragon> No big deal to secure the code, I just did it for I2C 22.37.21 # what *is* I2C? 22.37.21 # how did you do it? 22.37.23 # a bus? 22.37.27 # <[IDC]Dragon> I'm concerned about the upper half of PortB only. 22.37.28 # Dogger: yes 22.37.34 # ah ok... used on the av300 22.38.42 # <[IDC]Dragon> for I2C, I encapsulated those parts in cli() and sti() 22.38.51 # ouch 22.39.04 # <[IDC]Dragon> Only the fast ones, without any wait inbetween. 22.39.19 Quit AciD (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 22.39.51 # <[IDC]Dragon> Your taskswitcher is not preempting, just cooperative? 22.39.57 # yes 22.40.08 # very much cooperative 22.40.11 # <[IDC]Dragon> ;-) 22.40.57 # <[IDC]Dragon> would that cli-sti encapsulation be OK for you guys? 22.41.22 # i'd rather have atomic read-modify-write instructions 22.41.32 # <[IDC]Dragon> me too, but how? 22.41.33 # but gcc is not very good at emitting them... 22.42.09 # <[IDC]Dragon> the SH has such? Have to check... 22.42.39 # there are atomic and/or/xor instructions 22.43.07 # but they only work with the (r0,gbr) addressing mode, and only on bytes 22.43.18 # check out system.h for examples 22.43.26 # <[IDC]Dragon> bytes, mmh 22.43.28 # those macros should work, btw 22.44.26 # <[IDC]Dragon> I've seen them, but dunno if it works for ports 22.44.33 # it does 22.44.56 # check out lcd.c 22.45.18 # <[IDC]Dragon> then we have to define the port halves, hi and lo part. 22.45.24 # check out lcd.c 22.45.51 # <[IDC]Dragon> lcd is all assembly. 22.46.09 # <[IDC]Dragon> works on bytes 22.46.19 # yes, but it is using the rmw instructoins on the upper half of port b 22.46.27 # so you can see that it works 22.46.34 # <[IDC]Dragon> nice. 22.46.48 # <[IDC]Dragon> I had no problems with LCD interfering. 22.47.09 # <[IDC]Dragon> I2C for shure, LED would also. 22.47.33 # speaking of interference, the FM radio is disturbed by the LCD updates :-( 22.47.41 # <[IDC]Dragon> OK, I'll change it for the system.h macros, OK? 22.47.58 # the peak meters makes the reception worse... :-( 22.48.07 # <[IDC]Dragon> FM is also on SPI? 22.48.12 # yes 22.48.33 # <[IDC]Dragon> no seperate chip select or such? 22.48.58 # of course 22.49.11 # but there is still noise generated from the lcd updates 22.49.17 # <[IDC]Dragon> brb 22.51.04 # disabling the screen updates reduced the fm noise considerably on my fmr 22.53.41 # <[IDC]Dragon> back again 22.54.10 # <[IDC]Dragon> Well, I have a look at the "semaphores" and massage that in 22.54.22 # semaphores? 22.54.34 Quit Cheek () 22.54.36 # <[IDC]Dragon> the atamic instuctions. 22.54.41 # <[IDC]Dragon> atomic 22.54.42 # ah 22.55.42 # should be pretty straightforward, changing the SDA_xx macros 22.55.51 # and the SCL_xx macros 22.55.53 # <[IDC]Dragon> yep 22.56.00 # <[IDC]Dragon> same for the FM and LED 22.56.10 # yup 22.56.16 # <[IDC]Dragon> __set_bit_constant(), __clear_bit_constant() 22.56.18 # should make them faster as well 22.56.39 # <[IDC]Dragon> maybe that'll make it stop working 22.57.02 # could be 22.57.07 # <[IDC]Dragon> I thing your I2C may be way too fast already 22.57.15 # <[IDC]Dragon> think 22.57.22 # i don't 22.57.31 # <[IDC]Dragon> did you measure? 22.57.45 # yes, back in the days when i wrote it 22.58.11 # <[IDC]Dragon> 1 MHz, 400 kHz or 100 kHz? 22.58.21 # 400khz 22.58.26 # <[IDC]Dragon> I think those are the levels 22.59.28 # <[IDC]Dragon> I'll define the byte ports in sh7034.h then, too? 22.59.38 # do so 22.59.54 # <[IDC]Dragon> OK, off for work.... 23.01.03 Join Plugh [0] (~plugh@adsl-68-122-77-189.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) 23.01.14 # Dogger: you there? 23.03.54 Join cjnr11 [0] (nmpjhb@l01v-62-211.d1.club-internet.fr) 23.06.24 # hi Plugh 23.06.37 # I saw today's site update 23.06.51 # o yeah, only just did that :) 23.07.10 # sounds like you finally got in touch with Archos ;) 23.08.13 Quit _aLF (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.08.15 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.08.37 # why are they on your case about it and not on Rockbox's? 23.09.06 # because they love rockbox, and hate me? 23.09.14 # I asked henri, 23.09.20 # he just ignored me as usual 23.09.25 # seems they have 3 answers 23.09.29 # 1. ignore 23.09.46 # 2. some carrot on a stick about 'the next platform' under NDA of course 23.09.51 # 3. threaten legal action 23.10.00 # I don't think they know any other way to anser things 23.10.18 Quit cjnr11 () 23.10.52 # so they don't want people hacking their products under current devel, but they don't mind people working on things that have an upcoming end of life? 23.11.16 # no idea 23.11.19 # Plugh: you can't really blame them, can you? :-) 23.11.25 # he said 'the av300 is already an ageing platform' 23.11.35 # yes you can, their firmware is rubbish, 23.11.39 # rockbox has prolonged the life of the jukebox series 23.11.42 # and their encryption could be cracked by a cat 23.12.03 # well, I just find it fascinating that they're pushing legalities on Dogger and letting Rockbox run rampant 23.12.03 # oh well, 23.12.07 # Dogger: yes, you cracked it, so i guess anybody can :-) 23.12.29 # I'll laugh when I get a video of me playing doom on linux on the archos on slashdot, with a news story saying 'archos wont allow this to be released' 23.12.39 # LinusN: exactly! I'm a dog! 23.13.44 # Plugh: me too 23.14.02 # my guess, is they saw that I had replaced 'archos' with 'linux', and assumed I was releasing modified firmware 23.14.07 # they are a pretty stupid bunch 23.14.36 # I think I'm gonna have to resolder my headphone jack 23.14.56 # I suspect it's cold solder and typically poor strain relief 23.15.06 # anyone know how to install gnu binutils so that it will assemble to arm7? 23.15.47 # Dogger: did they ask you to cease and desist development? Or just releasing info? 23.15.48 # yes, you build a cross compiler 23.16.19 # Dogger: http://rockbox.haxx.se/sh-win/ 23.16.30 # same instructions apply to the arm7 target 23.16.44 # Linus: I've run into a bit of a limitation in developing plugins 23.16.44 # Plugh: they don't really say things clearly so I'm unsure really 23.16.59 # Plugh: shoot 23.17.04 # LinusN: thanks 23.17.06 # I want to perform a logarithm call for the vu meter 23.17.18 # so it reflects in dB rather than linear scale 23.17.29 # but log() is in math.h and libmath 23.17.58 # floating point arithmetic is banned from rockbox 23.18.02 # ahhh 23.18.06 Join top_bloke [0] (qewt@0-1pool12-48.nas6.oakbrook1.il.us.da.qwest.net) 23.18.08 # I missed that somewhere 23.18.19 # I guess I'll just build a log table 23.18.20 # banned? 23.18.28 # i guess we don't explicitly say it in the docs 23.18.38 # tables are faster for that sort of stuff I'd have thought anyway 23.18.44 # Plugh: look at the peak meter code 23.18.48 # wouldnt need to be that big a table anyway right? 23.18.51 # yeah, but not necessarily smaller ;) 23.18.54 # ok Linus 23.19.08 # I didn't realize the peak meter was using dB scale 23.19.16 # it can do both 23.19.20 # cool 23.19.36 # also, I have a whine about the change to config files 23.19.50 # what change? 23.19.59 # I can't go back and forth between cvs build and the bookmark build 23.20.16 # each has a different format for storing the prefs 23.20.24 # @find razed in black 23.20.24 # crap 23.20.24 # wrong chan sorry 23.20.26 # the bookmark build is not supported 23.20.27 # and resets to default 23.20.29 # I know 23.20.36 # LinusN: that link doesn't have an option for arm7? 23.20.40 # I completely realize this 23.20.56 # Dogger: i wrote it specifically for the SH 23.21.06 # ah ok, I see cool 23.21.06 Quit hardeep (Remote closed the connection) 23.21.17 # so I need to do some customisation like that for the arm7 23.21.30 # which is why it's a whine, not criticism or a request for assistance 23.21.31 # ;) 23.22.00 # it should probably work just by replacing sh-elf with arm7-elf (or whatever the target is called) 23.23.23 # ok, cool 23.23.27 # will give it a try 23.23.33 # do so 23.23.37 # is there a dissassembler in the bintools? 23.23.44 # no 23.23.49 # not that i know of 23.23.55 # gdb 23.23.55 # ah that sucks 23.23.56 # :) 23.23.59 # might have to make one 23.28.54 Join AciD [0] (~acid@longchamp44-1-82-67-133-87.fbx.proxad.net) 23.30.25 # ok, well, I just wanted to see what was up with Dogger's project page changing so drastically. Thanks for the info on floating point math Linus. I'll explore the peak meter code. 23.30.28 # seeya 23.30.37 Part Plugh 23.37.13 # user interface question: 23.37.48 # if the user presses, let's say, F2 to pop up a menu, does he expect to be able to leave it with the same key? 23.38.57 # yeah 23.39.09 # i think so 23.39.13 # me too 23.39.57 # in any case, there should be no harm done by accidentally pressing F2 twice 23.40.19 # just go in to menu and quit 23.52.17 Quit top_bloke ("wasted 8 minutes and 34 seconds online") 23.52.32 Join top_bloke [0] (~Email@0-1pool12-48.nas6.oakbrook1.il.us.da.qwest.net)