--- Log for 06.11.103 Server: zelazny.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16p1 Started: 11 days and 21 hours ago 00.03.15 Join M2k961 [0] (~M2k961@24-164-135-95.si.rr.com) 00.03.55 # Hey, does anyone know how to speed up the time it takes to skip songs? 00.04.31 # u cant 00.04.33 # yeah, double the memory and overlock the CPU :-) 00.04.44 # It takes long :( 00.04.47 # well yeah 00.04.56 # maybe faster hd too 00.05.05 # And the shuffle hates me. It purposely picks the worst songs. 00.05.08 # i think the spinup is part of the problem 00.05.17 # yeah the shuffle can suck 00.05.23 # sometimes it picks good songs 00.05.24 # M2k961: you can increase the spindown time 00.05.50 # hmm.. 00.05.54 # Booting it up now. 00.06.12 # well depends on what kind of skip 00.06.13 # spindown = 5s 00.06.26 # like go through the playlst 00.06.26 # increase it 00.06.42 # Err.. 00.06.42 # it keeps going 00.06.44 # would it even matter then 00.06.46 # im at 20 :) 00.06.58 # you'll lose bat. life 00.07.10 # top_bloke: only when skipping songs 00.07.25 # LinusN: what do you recommend on the time? 00.07.25 # what? 00.07.38 # am i missing something 00.07.40 # M2k961: 10-20 seconds may be ok 00.07.53 # oh 00.07.58 # well i think i get it 00.08.18 # top_bloke: the disk spindown timer only affects user-generated disk activity 00.08.27 # yeah 00.08.32 # like skipping 00.08.39 # automatic disk activity, such as mp3 buffering, always spins down asap 00.08.47 # ok 00.09.02 # how about browsing? 00.09.09 # user interaction 00.09.19 # hey whats the cheapest device I can run rockbox on? is it the mp3 jukebox 10 or something? 00.09.27 # i think maybe i should do this too 00.09.50 # the disk spindown timer is defined as "how long to spin the disk after last user-generated disk activity" 00.10.00 # yeah i get it 00.10.15 # Dogger: probably, but i'd go for a recorder device 00.10.34 # for the LCD and USB2.0 00.10.39 # LinusN: ok, just wanted *some* platform I can try this out on, to learn how to do it for av products 00.10.46 # ah ok, yeah usb2 is nice 00.10.57 # better sound as well 00.11.13 # M2k961: have you tried out the disk timer? 00.11.22 # cant u just use the simulator? 00.11.43 # hmm yeah suppose, 00.11.59 # Yea, it didnt show no real improvement.. 00.12.05 # I mean, some. 00.12.38 # M2k961: skipping in playlists is somewhat slower than directory play 00.12.44 # Well yea 00.12.46 # I meant that 00.12.54 # DIrectory play. 00.17.39 # speeding up next/prev is not easily done 00.18.20 # the playlist handling and the mp3 buffering takes time 00.21.42 Join scott666 [0] (scott666@c-24-245-58-245.mn.client2.attbi.com) 00.22.31 Quit Dogger ("Client Exiting") 00.22.39 # maybe if u buffered a little bit of the next track in playlist 00.23.20 # only a few sec 00.23.30 # top_bloke: reading the next entry in the playlist takes time too 00.23.44 # and it will complicate the mp3 buffering 00.23.52 # so do it along with the first read 00.23.58 # when the disk is already spun 00.24.12 # still, the mp3 buffering gets complicated 00.24.18 # i see 00.24.26 # and what if the user wants to do Prev 00.24.37 # dont account for that 00.25.06 # i dont know 00.25.22 # it's not impossible, only complicated 00.25.47 # and it will only speed up the first Next operation 00.26.03 # then load 2 tacks 00.26.07 # lol 00.26.09 # then 3 00.26.11 # :-) 00.26.17 # and soon youre all out of buffer 00.26.34 # so? who listens to more than 5 seconds per song anyway? 00.26.45 # hehe 00.26.46 # ? 00.27.17 # yeah a scan mode could be done like this too 00.27.31 # where it plays the first x seconds of tracks 00.28.16 # yeah 00.28.42 # but would also have to buffer all those 00.29.29 # * M2k961 just wants faster next timings :( 00.29.45 # i do too 00.29.51 # me too 00.29.52 # :-) 00.29.58 # we all do 00.30.15 # Well, im going, cya around. 00.30.15 Part M2k961 00.30.21 # later 00.31.06 # is counting over the claimed end of a song a known bug? (eg: 3:29/3:30, 3:30/3:30, 3:31/3:30, 0:00/5:00) 00.31.43 # yes 00.31.54 # but a bug? 00.32.04 # well...it seems like one 00.32.10 # yes it is 00.32.15 # any idea what causes it? 00.32.19 # yes 00.32.32 # care to enlighten me? 00.32.38 # yes 00.32.39 # :-) 00.33.06 # well, the duration calculation code lacks precision 00.33.36 # obviously 00.33.49 # each mp3 frame is (in the 44.1kHz case) 26.12 ms long 00.34.08 # but we only count 26ms 00.34.22 # ahh, figured it'd be a rounding error 00.34.32 # that is one of the causes 00.34.48 # are we able to count as 26.12? 00.34.59 # another is that the timer counts independently from the mp3 decoding 00.35.25 # so the timer could be started before the actual decoding starts 00.35.40 # i see 00.35.55 # we can increase the precision, but then we have to use 64-bit ints for the calculations 00.36.44 # if you pause the song, the timer will be slightly off 00.37.19 # because of the delay between starting hte decoding and starting the timer? 00.37.30 # and the stopping 00.40.04 Quit scott666 ("i'll be back...eventually...") 00.40.49 Quit edx () 00.44.18 Join klaxon [0] (trilluser@adsl-64-142-36-45.sonic.net) 00.45.27 # how common is it to hear pauses in playback caused by disk spinup? 00.45.42 # should be very uncommon 00.45.51 # is it a vbr file? 00.46.00 # yeah 00.46.14 # then run "Update VBR file" on it 00.46.20 # ON+Play 00.46.29 # in the browser 00.46.47 # ah. is that some xing vbr header thingie? 00.46.54 # most probably 00.47.20 # yes, "update vbr file" recalculates the xing header 00.47.22 # fine. i was concerned, the disk was lame and not spinning up fast enough 00.47.54 # rockbox takes the disk spinup time into account 00.48.05 # in the daily builds at least 00.48.59 # i just built today's tarball. 00.49.00 # but this dynamic buffer handling fails when the Xing header is missing 00.49.23 # that makes perfect sense. 00.51.00 # i encode cds as one file, then split them by track for the archos, so i'll need to add fix the vbr header 00.53.03 # why do you do that? 00.53.47 # for continuous mix discs, to avoid the track gap. 00.54.04 # lame --nogap does that for you 00.54.07 # i listen to them as mp3 on archos, but burn cdda for the car 00.54.32 # yeah i have heard about --nogap but it was not ready last i heard. look again you say? 00.55.02 # works for me 00.55.35 # but if whole-cd encoding works for you... 00.55.47 # even if the files get id3 tagged and mangled, you can put them back together okay? 00.55.57 # of course 00.56.28 # okay i'll revisit. i've had quite a long discussion about this with friends. 00.56.36 # rockbox strips all non-mp3 information 00.57.30 # yeah i haven't noticed a gap in archos playback. the issue is recreating a nogap cdda 00.57.40 # yup 00.58.07 # infact while many car mp3 players can't get the gap out, notably pioneer (pioneer!), archos does it fine. 00.58.36 # so i use archos on linein on my pioneer car system. wish they would get some decent programmers.. 00.58.39 # i've put a lot of effort in that 00.58.46 # you rock. 00.59.37 # pretty tricky, since many files violate the id3 specs in one way or another 01.00.27 # i can imagine. id3 is really messy. 01.00.35 # indeed 01.00.37 Join midknight2k3 [0] (lala@AC849AC5.ipt.aol.com) 01.00.43 # hi 01.00.49 # hi linus 01.00.53 # my patch is merged! yay 01.00.54 # hi 01.01.18 # * midknight2k3 thinks about new patches 01.01.43 # midknight2k3: i discovered a sad thing when i merged your patch 01.01.44 # so in order to get in the credits, you make up something from scratch and not just patch an existing file right? 01.01.48 # uh oh 01.01.49 # ahem *animated menus* 01.01.50 # what 01.01.54 # top: yes yes 01.02.01 # midknight2k3: you are in the credits 01.02.06 # i am? 01.02.12 # * midknight2k3 rushes to check 01.02.16 # lol 01.02.20 # i discovered that LCD updates disturb the FM reception 01.02.30 # they do? 01.02.46 # also the Stereo/Mono check communication with the FM chip 01.02.51 # at least on my FMR 01.02.57 # sounded ok to me 01.03.14 # am i looking at the wrong credits? 01.03.29 # my FMR has been opened auite a few times, to the copper cage may be leaking 01.03.43 # apps/recorder/radio.c 01.03.43 # apps/lang/english.lang 01.03.43 # Patch #836267 by Zakk Roberts, adds peak meter to the radio screen, plus a few more changes 01.03.55 # docs/CREDITS 01.03.56 # did you forget to add me? or is it my eyes ? :) 01.04.10 # http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/credits.html 01.04.12 # this one? 01.04.13 # and in the "version" scrolle rin the menu 01.04.35 # hmm 01.04.43 # * midknight2k3 doesn't see midknight2k3's name 01.04.49 # was it at that link? 01.04.52 # http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/credits.html 01.05.07 # * midknight2k3 tries CTRL+F5 01.05.24 # DOH! I forgot to commit it! 01.05.33 # i thought so! 01.05.34 # lol 01.05.38 # i committed it now 01.05.42 # just this second? 01.05.45 # that was quick 01.05.46 # yes 01.06.04 # did you like the f-key button bar? 01.06.14 # where at? 01.06.35 # i saw that as a new thing recently but i didnt try a new release 01.07.56 # * midknight2k3 jumps around with joy 01.07.56 # so just like the archos firmware? 01.07.56 # the button bar? 01.08.00 # like Menu, etc? 01.08.14 # yes, but only for the radio screen for now 01.08.19 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.08.34 Join thedude02 [0] (~thefirstd@pm637-19.dialip.mich.net) 01.08.43 # i tried to make PLAY mute 01.08.45 # did you notice that the station search is a lot faster now? 01.08.45 # but the oly un-mute option was up and down 01.08.50 Quit AciD ("www.acid.ht.st") 01.08.51 # ill take a look 01.09.31 # linus 01.09.45 # i think we should put button bars around the whole setup 01.09.51 # and have an option for it 01.09.57 # we will 01.10.04 # general settings->display->button bar 01.10.10 # exactly 01.10.30 # maybe i can do it 01.11.08 # i want that to accompany the ui overhaul 01.11.22 # i can try it 01.11.36 # right now, the menu functions can't handle the button bar 01.11.44 # ? 01.12.13 # they will overwrite it 01.12.24 # when will the credits be replaced? 01.12.37 # in tomorrow's daily build 01.12.48 # but they will be put up right now right 01.12.53 # for bleeding edge or something? 01.12.59 # whats a button bar? 01.13.06 # the site is updated sometime during the night 01.13.08 # like the archos fw 01.13.17 # a bar of buttons 01.13.21 # hehe 01.13.31 # dude: button :LABELS 01.13.32 # top_bloke: a bar describing what the F-keys do 01.14.02 # AHHHHHHH! in Rockbox! 01.14.13 # no duh 01.14.21 # constantly on the screen? 01.14.22 # like the keyboard input has 01.14.27 # I thought he was asking in general what it means 01.14.31 # yes 01.14.33 # top_bloke: yes 01.14.33 # just like that 01.14.42 # there is no general definition 01.14.50 # so its on the screen all the time? 01.14.57 # unless you turn it off 01.15.01 # of button bar? yeah there is: a bar of buttons 01.15.01 # there will be an option 01.15.14 # dude: sure. 01.15.23 # "votever" 01.15.25 # votever 01.15.43 # well if its an option its cool 01.15.43 # ok got it 01.15.53 # linus 01.15.59 # will ableeding edge have the button bar? right 01.16.10 # sheesh 01.16.22 # might as well reflash 01.16.47 # oh no 01.16.53 # there is no UCLs for bleeding edge 01.16.55 # fix it! lol 01.17.36 # midknight2k3: i included the buttonbar in your patch, it should be in today's daily 01.18.26 # linus 01.18.35 # the radio looks a little bad 01.18.41 # oh? 01.18.54 # well we should do font_sysfixed for one 01.19.02 # as the custom font disappears after a few seconds 01.19.20 # i'm working on that as we speak 01.19.27 # updating SLOW too 01.19.36 # * midknight2k3 looks worried 01.19.42 # i hope i put up the right patch 01.19.49 # i did 01.19.57 # well, your submitted patch was very slow 01.19.57 # i remember testing it 01.20.03 # it was good for me... 01.20.08 # but i fixed it before committing it 01.20.08 # hmmmmmm 01.20.19 # let me check that button_get_w_tmo 01.20.27 # it was not the timeout 01.20.39 # it was lots of unnecessary lcd updates 01.20.50 # well 01.20.55 # it made it run nice 01.21.03 # now its like twice per second or less 01.21.08 # and it looks terrible 01.21.52 # just in case yuo wanted to know I'm going. 01.21.57 Quit thedude02 () 01.22.02 # that was uncalled for 01.22.16 # button = button_get_w_tmo(HZ / peak_meter_fps); 01.22.23 # are you sure that's the way to do it? 01.22.35 # which reminds me, let me put up my PM FPS patch 01.22.53 # timeout = current_tick + HZ/2; 01.22.57 # that looks like the problem 01.26.18 # no, that's not a problem 01.26.30 # it goes slow for me 01.26.34 # that timeout is not for the peak meter 01.26.40 # the whole LCD goes slow 01.26.48 # midknight2k3: are you sure that your radio.c is up to date? 01.26.54 # the station skipping goes like 2-3 at a time until you hold 01.27.01 # yes it has the button bar so it must be right 01.27.19 # if you go click click click it will only update every 2 or 3 stations 01.27.26 # aka every 1/2 second or so 01.30.57 # yeah, that's a bug i have fixed but not committed 01.33.22 Join thedude02 [0] (~thefirstd@pm475-32.dialip.mich.net) 01.37.35 Quit thedude02 (Client Quit) 01.44.03 Quit mecraw ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)") 01.50.56 # bye all thx linusn 01.51.02 # you're welcome 01.51.03 # bye 01.51.04 Quit klaxon ("Ahwoooga!") 01.59.22 Join thedude02 [0] (~thefirstd@pm475-32.dialip.mich.net) 02.02.54 Quit thedude02 (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.02.54 NSplit zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 02.02.54 Quit webmind (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.02.54 Quit dsg (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.02.54 Quit midknight2k3 (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.02.54 Quit adi|home (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.02.54 Quit Hes (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.02.54 Quit Hadaka (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.02.54 Quit BoBB (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.02.54 Quit MT (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.02.54 Quit ze (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.02.54 Quit [IDC]Dragon (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.02.54 Quit LinusN (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.02.54 Quit elinenbe (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.02.54 Quit [OFF]BtT (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.02.54 Quit Schnueff (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02.05.47 NHeal zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 02.05.47 NJoin [IDC]Dragon [0] (~idc-drago@pD9FF81D7.dip.t-dialin.net) 02.05.47 NJoin LinusN [200] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 02.05.47 NJoin elinenbe [0] (elinenbe_@207-237-236-36.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 02.05.47 NJoin [OFF]BtT [0] (~quasi@80.238.199.45) 02.05.47 NJoin Schnueff [0] (mah@d096.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de) 02.06.19 NJoin midknight2k3 [0] (lala@AC849AC5.ipt.aol.com) 02.06.19 NJoin adi|home [0] (~adi|home@as5300-10.216-194-24-62.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) 02.06.19 NJoin BoBB [0] (~bob@ip68-106-225-254.ph.ph.cox.net) 02.06.19 NJoin MT [0] (mt@no.beer.for.beating.me.uk) 02.06.19 NJoin Hadaka [0] (naked@aka.pp.htv.fi) 02.06.19 NJoin Hes [0] (~hessu@hessu.zedi.sonera.fi) 02.06.19 NJoin ze [20] (psyco@adsl-63-205-42-70.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) 02.07.01 NJoin thedude02 [0] (~thefirstd@pm475-32.dialip.mich.net) 02.07.01 NJoin dsg [0] (~david@pasky.xs4all.nl) 02.07.01 NJoin webmind [0] (~cme2@217-195-236-172.dsl.esined.net) 02.08.58 Quit top_bloke (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.17.15 # Hillo 02.17.28 Join Jet8810 [0] (~Jet8810@adsl-158-225-55.mia.bellsouth.net) 02.17.37 # hi jet 02.19.10 # hillo 02.20.16 Quit thedude02 () 02.33.37 Part GEM 02.36.52 Quit [IDC]Dragon () 02.49.49 # hey midknisht 02.49.55 # hi 02.50.24 Join diddystar5 [0] (~jirc@cbcpl-fw.ci.corvallis.or.us) 02.50.28 Join diddystar50 [0] (~jirc@cbcpl-fw.ci.corvallis.or.us) 02.50.30 # diddystar! 02.50.34 # hey!!!!!!!!!! 02.50.40 # vu meter away 02.50.44 # ! 02.50.54 # is my text being doubled? 02.50.59 # ? 02.51.02 # no 02.51.20 # rolands irc page is down, and i had to find another client 02.51.32 # hah 02.52.35 # lol all the text is doubled on my screen 02.52.48 # or maybe im drunken lol 02.52.57 # hehe 02.55.47 # time to sleep 02.55.51 # nite all 02.55.52 # night! 02.56.00 Part LinusN 03.06.58 Join hardeep [0] (hardeeps@norge.freeshell.org) 03.07.10 # hi hardeep 03.07.22 # i'm in the credits, im in the credits, woo woo, wooo woooooooo 03.07.25 # hey hardeep! 03.07.32 # me 2! 03.08.00 # hey hardeep 03.08.08 # lol 03.08.11 # hello 03.08.13 # stop crowding hardeep 03.08.20 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.08.21 # midknight2k3: nice :) 03.08.26 # hehe 03.08.31 # diddystar50: nice :) 03.08.36 # :) 03.08.49 # lol 03.08.54 # ya ya ya ya YA ya 03.09.09 # PARTY TIME!!!!! 03.09.27 # WOO WOOO 03.09.31 # * midknight2k3 throws a party 03.09.37 # ok party over 03.11.48 # wow 03.11.53 # its really hard to find a local sponsor a child 03.11.58 # or jus tsomething of the sort... 03.12.06 # oh yeah 03.12.08 # lol 03.12.09 # but I want it local, I dont want huge multinational, international charity 03.12.10 # lol 03.13.14 # am I thinking about this donating thing WAY too much? 03.13.19 # yes 03.13.25 # very overthunk 03.13.26 # haha 03.13.37 # so whats your reccomendation? 03.13.44 # hmm 03.13.50 # stop overthinking it 03.13.54 # the answer will come 03.14.02 # such as 03.14.09 # DEAD PAPER! 03.14.10 # heh 03.14.12 # well I dont overthink it 03.14.19 # I have though tabout it like twice briefly since I mentioned it to you 03.14.24 # but I really would like to donate the money 03.14.25 # okay 03.14.25 # haha 03.15.34 # so, hows life? 03.15.51 # good 03.16.37 Quit diddystar50 (" ("switching clients")") 03.16.44 Quit diddystar5 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.17.15 Join diddystar5 [0] (~diddystar@cbcpl-fw.ci.corvallis.or.us) 03.18.27 # bye have to go home 03.18.44 # sorry i couldnt stay longer 03.18.47 # bye 03.18.52 Quit diddystar5 (Client Quit) 03.19.30 Quit hardeep ("Erection reset by queer") 03.19.50 Join hardeep [0] (hardeeps@norge.freeshell.org) 03.21.08 # bye all 03.21.18 Quit midknight2k3 () 03.41.55 Quit Jet8810 ("Leaving") 04.06.54 Join Mighty2 [0] (mboss@h72n1fls35o931.telia.com) 04.07.24 Join scott666 [0] (scott666@c-24-245-58-245.mn.client2.attbi.com) 04.10.21 Quit Mighty2 (Client Quit) 04.14.51 Quit hardeep ("Real programmers code it into the client") 04.22.56 # anyone here? 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13.05.43 # everything :( 13.05.50 # have a bad cold :( 13.08.32 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.10.01 # Sheez :/ 13.10.06 # So what's up with AVOS? 13.10.10 # I read something about legal stuff :) 13.10.15 # Did Archos screw you up? 13.10.15 # yeah! 13.10.18 # don't get him started :-) 13.10.35 # Archos got their heavies in 13.10.42 # they came round my house and took all my stuff 13.10.51 # said 'this should pay for the damage you've done' 13.11.09 # then they gave me a bloody nose, stole my laptop and said next time, we'll break your knees 13.12.52 # you sure that was not the mafia? 13.13.34 # I believe the mafia OWN Archos 13.13.49 # they have also embedded bombs in all archos products, 13.13.55 # which can be set off remotely 13.14.03 # they just release a new firmware, 13.14.10 # with the code that says 'blow up' 13.14.13 # No, that's Nokia, they've put the bombs in the batteries. 13.14.14 # You wanna know where all the Rockbox donations go? 13.14.15 # and there is mass suicide 13.14.34 # :) 13.14.37 # we pay Archos for "protection" 13.14.58 # and in return they dont come round YOUR house and take all your stuff 13.15.20 # yup 13.15.39 # :-) 13.15.53 # i gotta fly 13.15.58 # cu around 13.16.03 # Bye L 13.16.06 # nah that cant be it... I offered to pay archos money to do this ages ago 13.16.09 # ok laters :) 13.16.11 # Dogger: Seriosley though. What happened? 13.16.14 Part LinusN 13.16.31 # dwihno: they have passed it to their atourney 13.17.45 Quit Dogger ("Client Exiting") 13.17.59 Quit adiamas (Connection timed out) 13.41.09 Join Dogger [0] (~jimmy@cpc3-colc1-5-0-cust13.colc.cable.ntl.com) 14.10.46 Quit dsg (Success) 14.11.06 Join dsg [0] (~david@pasky.xs4all.nl) 14.15.16 Quit dsg (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.16.21 Join dsg [0] (~david@pasky.xs4all.nl) 14.17.05 Quit dsg (Client Quit) 14.19.11 Join dsg [0] (~david@pasky.xs4all.nl) 14.24.22 Quit dsg (Success) 14.25.01 Join dsg [0] (~david@pasky.xs4all.nl) 14.37.30 # Dogger: tell me all the dirty details! :) 14.45.48 # hey 14.45.48 # thats probably not a good idea 14.45.59 # I think when legal people contact you, you should prolly keep it to yourself 14.46.07 # just to be safe 14.49.25 # True. 14.49.29 # Are they being nasty? 14.49.31 # :-( 14.49.49 # yeah pretty nasty 14.49.59 # :-[ 14.50.03 # they will prolly go out of business if they carry on being so stupid 14.52.35 # Is it really illegal to crack an encryption algorithm? Or providing tools to do it? 14.52.48 # I mean, they haven't done anything nasty (as far as I know) to the RockBox project. 14.54.08 # dwihno, depends on the country ? 14.54.46 # its not illegal at all 14.54.51 # in this case 14.54.56 Join schuepf [0] (sockd@212.8.217.52) 14.55.10 # its publicly available algorithms, that anyone with half a brain would think of anyway 14.55.23 # releasing KEYS etc however, may be illegal 14.55.34 # think that comes under trade secrets 14.56.39 # Dogger: Well, if the keys are stored in the file, you just provide the offsets and descrambling routines :) 14.57.17 # well the keys arent' stored in the file as it is! That would be even stupider than Archos are 14.58.20 # Okay. 14.59.07 # if you know about cryptography you dont need the keys though anyway 15.00.31 # Dogger: Actually in the US it might be illegal because of the stupid DMCa. 15.01.00 # Pretty much any attempt at circumventing "encryption" in products is illegal under that. 15.01.06 # REing for purposes of interoperbility, OR for purposes of porting an OS are explicitly allowed 15.01.19 # depends on your definition of encryption then 15.01.31 # I would not class this as encryption 15.01.42 # just as the courts as far as I know decided deCSS was so lame it wasnt encryption either 15.02.00 # Dogger: But I think a court would, because a court doesn't really know how encryption works. 15.02.12 # Dogger: Well, the guys that broke CSS were from Norway. 15.02.18 # Well, at least the one that was being hassled. 15.02.33 # sure... 15.02.40 # I'm from europe 15.02.45 # oh well doesnt matter anyway 15.02.48 # Ah. You should be safe then ;) 15.02.56 # I will continue to develop my own apps privately 15.03.22 # SO ironic americans think they are free 15.03.26 # But what, is Archos threatening something because of the AV firmware stuff? 15.03.34 # they treasure their constitution 15.03.34 # free speach etc 15.03.35 # Yeah. 15.03.42 # they are the most repressed nation I know! 15.03.44 # "Land of the free and the proud" indeed ;) 15.04.05 # you cant move in the US unless a corporation says its ok 15.04.21 # haha 15.04.42 # it's a big country, with a big mix of people with a big mix of lifestyle 15.04.57 # thats only true for the cattle population 15.04.58 # :p 15.05.44 # Well... I'm from Iceland, the law situation is in most ways decent. 15.05.55 # Actually in the Netherlands at the moment though. 15.06.18 # I think in Iceland there's a law clause that specifically allows reverse-engineering. 15.06.21 # Which is nice. 15.08.04 # dsg, on concearning press your one of the most free countries 15.08.34 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.10.10 # as I say before though 15.10.10 # just say I make tables for a living 15.10.17 # a new table comes out which is brilliant 15.10.23 # I want to see how they built it 15.10.23 # so I take it to bits 15.10.34 # oh! they put on security screws, and I haven't got the right screwdriver, 15.10.41 # but I make my own screwdriver to get round it 15.10.49 # I find out how they made the table 15.11.10 # are they gonna sue me for reverse engineering a table and circumventing security measures??? 15.11.54 # Of course! :) 15.12.14 # that would be a cool court case :) 15.12.21 # would love to see them argue that 15.12.36 # ok, so I bought this table, but I'm not allowed to do what I want with it? 15.12.40 # I can blow it up and you dont mind, 15.12.46 # but if I take it to bits you do? 15.12.55 # absolute stupidity 15.13.39 # Yup. 15.48.16 # hmm 15.48.27 # i cant even see them having a case under DMCA tbh 15.48.56 # the encryption of the firmware in no way relates to a copy protection mechanism 15.49.26 # however, breaking the ecryption is required to have 'fair use' of the device 15.49.45 # have you contacted EFF? 15.53.35 # yep 15.53.41 # maybe meeting them sometime 16.19.22 Quit dsg (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16.19.22 NSplit zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 16.19.22 Quit elinenbe (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16.19.22 Quit Hes (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16.19.22 Quit Hadaka (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16.19.22 Quit BoBB (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16.19.22 Quit MT (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16.19.22 Quit matsl (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16.19.22 Quit ze (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16.19.22 Quit scott666 (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16.19.22 Quit webmind (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16.19.22 Quit schuepf (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16.19.22 Quit Schnueff (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16.19.22 Quit [OFF]BtT (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16.19.22 Quit Dogger (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16.21.26 NHeal zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 16.21.26 NJoin schuepf [0] (sockd@212.8.217.52) 16.21.26 NJoin dsg [0] (~david@pasky.xs4all.nl) 16.21.26 NJoin Dogger [0] (~jimmy@cpc3-colc1-5-0-cust13.colc.cable.ntl.com) 16.21.26 NJoin matsl [0] (~matsl@as13-4-5.mal.s.bonet.se) 16.21.26 NJoin elinenbe [0] (elinenbe_@207-237-236-36.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 16.21.26 NJoin ze [20] (psyco@adsl-63-205-42-70.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) 16.21.26 NJoin Hes [0] (~hessu@hessu.zedi.sonera.fi) 16.21.26 NJoin Hadaka [0] (naked@aka.pp.htv.fi) 16.21.26 NJoin MT [0] (mt@no.beer.for.beating.me.uk) 16.21.26 NJoin BoBB [0] (~bob@ip68-106-225-254.ph.ph.cox.net) 16.21.26 NJoin scott666 [0] (scott666@c-24-245-58-245.mn.client2.attbi.com) 16.21.26 NJoin webmind [0] (~cme2@217-195-236-172.dsl.esined.net) 16.21.26 NJoin Schnueff [0] (mah@d096.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de) 16.21.26 NJoin [OFF]BtT [0] (~quasi@80.238.199.45) 16.22.51 Quit mbr (Remote closed the connection) 16.23.24 Join mbr [0] (~mb@stlx01.stz-softwaretechnik.de) 16.24.26 Join dwihno_ [0] (dwihno@81.172.195.115) 16.24.26 Quit dwihno (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.31.33 Join AciD [0] (~acid@longchamp44-1-82-67-133-87.fbx.proxad.net) 17.08.35 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.09.08 Join edx [0] (edx@pD9EA90C6.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.35.15 Join mecraw [0] (~mecraw@69.2.235.2) 18.12.37 Join hardeep [0] (hardeeps@mx.freeshell.org) 18.14.25 Quit AciD (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 18.17.31 Join Ratamahatta [0] (~user@p213.54.82.56.tisdip.tiscali.de) 18.17.35 # Hello 18.17.39 # hi 18.18.17 # I have got the 6000 and want to install the rockbox 2.0 firmware 18.18.45 # Ratamahatta: excellent choice. :) although i'd recommend installing one of the daily builds instead 18.19.39 # but there is no archos.mod fil 18.19.46 # is it in the ROM ? 18.20.01 # Ratamahatta: ah, on your jukebox? 18.21.05 # Ratamahatta: if so, yes, the archos.mod file is in rom 18.21.17 # If i install the Firmware, how can i delete it? 18.21.17 # Ratamahatta: you can download the file from their website if you want 18.21.23 # Ratamahatta: just delete the file 18.21.33 # Thank you 18.21.44 Join AciD [0] (~acid@longchamp44-1-82-67-133-87.fbx.proxad.net) 18.25.53 # how long do you use the rockbox firmware? 18.27.47 # Are the daily builds better? 18.27.50 # rockbox v1.0 was released about a year and a half ago 18.27.57 # Are the daily builds better? 18.28.11 # Ratamahatta: yes, there have been many new features/changes/bug fixes since the 2.0 release 18.28.36 # then i take 2.0 release 18.28.40 # good bye 18.49.36 Join _aLF [0] (~alexandre@mutualite-3-82-67-66-128.fbx.proxad.net) 18.59.38 Join Cheek [0] (~ben@cc54259-a.assen1.dr.home.nl) 19.00.57 Quit edx () 19.01.22 Quit Cheek () 19.04.32 # here i am 19.04.39 # talk? 19.07.10 Join Cheek [0] (~alberto@cc54259-a.assen1.dr.home.nl) 19.08.36 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.12.57 Join edx [0] (edx@pD9EAB0A1.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.14.11 # There comes a message diretory buffer is full help 19.14.23 # please help me 19.17.05 Join [IDC]Dragon [0] (~idc-drago@pD9FF81D7.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.18.10 # <[IDC]Dragon> Ratamahatta: you must have a large dir. There's an option to increase the buffer, then you need to restart for this to have an effect. 19.19.31 # <[IDC]Dragon> general settings -> system -> max files in dir browser 19.20.07 Join rockboxer [0] (~user@p213.54.65.153.tisdip.tiscali.de) 19.20.29 # can anyone help me with the directory buffer 19.20.50 # <[IDC]Dragon> <[IDC]Dragon> Ratamahatta: you must have a large dir. There's an option to increase the buffer, then you need to restart for this to have an effect. 19.20.50 # <[IDC]Dragon> <[IDC]Dragon> general settings -> system -> max files in dir browser 19.22.02 # max files in dir browser? 19.22.06 # i got 2.0 19.22.22 # <[IDC]Dragon> get the latest 19.22.25 # <[IDC]Dragon> brb 19.22.29 # where? 19.24.19 Quit [OFF]BtT (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 19.30.17 # <[IDC]Dragon> http://rockbox.haxx.se/daily.shtml 19.36.12 Quit Ratamahatta (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.41.54 Quit hardeep ("BitchX WWW Site -- http://we.got.net/~brian/") 19.45.56 # there are so much 19.46.22 # wich of the 72? 19.47.13 # 85 19.47.23 # mods rock full ? 19.52.51 Quit rockboxer () 20.00.37 Join cjnr11 [0] (nmpjhb@l01v-54-7.d1.club-internet.fr) 20.33.36 Quit Dogger ("Client Exiting") 20.38.07 Join klaxon [0] (~klaxon@66.88.20.185) 20.38.49 # hey something really wierd happened. does the jbr have an internal speaker/buzzer? 20.39.12 # it was in my back pocket and when i sat down it made a noise like a car alarm 20.39.30 # my headphones weren't even plugged in. 20.39.33 # am i crazy? 20.39.57 # it's probably the HD 20.40.03 # ? 20.40.25 # the HD can make noise 20.40.48 # noise, lik besides click click head seeks and spinups 20.41.06 # this was like an alarm wha-wha-wha 20.41.49 # sometimes my JBMM makes a noise like that 20.42.19 # really?? what is it! 20.42.35 # I don't know 20.43.23 # ``so don't do that'' is the obvious solution 20.43.32 # but it's the HD when I move the jb too fast 20.43.50 # when it's on of course 20.45.26 # okay so perhaps its some sort of physical distress alarm from the disk mechanism. 20.45.49 # i was really startled. my headphones were not plugged in, and my house was quiet. 20.50.57 Join [OFF]BtT [0] (~quasi@80.238.199.45) 20.52.18 Quit [IDC]Dragon (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.53.27 Quit Cheek () 21.00.01 Join Zagor [242] (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 21.08.40 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.09.38 Join thedude02 [0] (~thefirstd@pm475-42.dialip.mich.net) 21.18.47 Join adi|home [0] (~adi|home@as5300-9.216-194-23-47.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) 21.18.48 # PEOPLES! say "something"! 21.20.10 # something 21.20.21 # TYHANK YOU! 21.20.23 # something 21.20.28 # hello Zagor 21.20.31 # hi 21.20.33 # finally someone said something! 21.20.33 # how are you doing? 21.20.35 # something 21.20.51 # I like the recent activity with rockbox. rockbox GETS BETTER! 21.20.52 # :D 21.21.22 # yeah, linus has gone nuts and commits like crazy :) 21.21.36 # true, very true 21.21.50 # I read midknight and his conversation yesterday 21.23.33 # or part of it 21.24.02 Join top_bloke [0] (assw@0-1pool12-64.nas6.oakbrook1.il.us.da.qwest.net) 21.24.48 # * thedude02 says what's up? 21.24.55 # what's up? 21.25.03 # nothing 21.25.20 # heck 21.25.33 # bedanger it 21.25.39 # ? 21.25.45 # I was hoping that something would be up 21.25.48 # lol 21.25.55 # :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) 21.25.55 # well its not 21.25.57 # sorry 21.26.02 # oh well 21.26.07 # anyone else? 21.26.54 # mind if I spam? 21.27.03 # come to #fld 21.27.19 # thnk you 21.39.55 Join [IDC]Dragon [0] (~idc-drago@pD95120F9.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.40.42 # goodBYE! 21.40.47 Quit thedude02 () 22.07.47 Join Cheek [0] (~alberto@cc54259-a.assen1.dr.home.nl) 22.29.15 Quit top_bloke (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.29.32 Join top_bloke [0] (~Email@0-1pool36-33.nas12.oakbrook1.il.us.da.qwest.net) 22.40.40 Join Dogger [0] (~jimmy@cpc3-colc1-5-0-cust13.colc.cable.ntl.com) 22.48.17 Quit AciD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.57.56 Quit [IDC]Dragon () 22.57.57 Quit top_bloke (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.57.59 Join top_bloke [0] (~Email@0-1pool36-33.nas12.oakbrook1.il.us.da.qwest.net) 23.08.25 Join Kamayaka [0] (Kamayaka@pD9EBE88D.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.08.42 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.12.06 Quit Kamayaka (Client Quit) 23.30.06 Quit top_bloke (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.33.50 Quit cjnr11 () 23.39.47 Join miner_69er [0] (miner_69er@82-32-41-14.cable.ubr06.azte.blueyonder.co.uk) 23.40.17 # hi there guys! I'm only on for a minute or so - does anyone want a copy of my new Rock - Snake2? 23.40.31 # what is it? 23.41.04 # an updated version of the snake game! 23.41.11 # ..it'sa only a bit of fun 23.41.16 # whatd you change? 23.41.48 # well, i'ver made the snake look snakier, added a wall or loop around options and speeded it up 23.41.59 # it's nicer 23.44.45 # ok, in that case, if noones interested can i ask a question on code formatting conventions? 23.45.25 # you saw the faq, right? 23.45.37 # yeah, buit i' 23.46.23 # oops, sorry. i'm still a tad confused about 'tabs' what's the difference between Unix and non-unix tabs? 23.46.53 # no idea 23.47.11 # hang on, i'll just check the faq again... 23.47.14 # find a text editor that does unix formatting and check it 23.48.06 # right, tgh 23.48.17 # thats what i need... 23.48.53 # i'm just using notepad (in XP!!) 23.49.28 # i just don't want to enter a patch and have it ripped apart by not looking correct in linux 23.50.27 # best solution? 23.50.28 Quit miner_69er (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.50.29 # install linux 23.51.06 # second best solution? 23.51.16 # get a notepad replacement off sourceforge.net 23.58.16 Quit Dogger ("Client Exiting") 23.58.17 Quit Cheek (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))