--- Log for 20.11.103 Server: zelazny.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: @logbot Version: Dancer V4.16p1 Started: 25 days and 20 hours ago 00.00.17 # Someone said clasohlson had them, but I can't find anything on their website about it. 00.01.29 Join Jet8810 [0] (~Jet8810@adsl-81-26-83.mia.bellsouth.net) 00.05.04 # upiom: any well-stocked computer store should have it 00.06.50 # Zagor: and it's called 2.5" to 3.5" converter or something like that? 00.08.06 # yeah. http://www.dustin.se/Shopping/ProductDetail.asp?PID=5010004007 00.09.16 # ahh great. Otherwise anyone living in linköping and have one home that I could borrow?:) 00.09.33 # i don't :) 00.10.33 Quit _aLF ("bye") 00.13.39 Quit edx () 00.30.29 Join LinusN [200] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 00.30.52 # hey linus 00.31.49 # yo 00.36.09 Join track [0] (~icechat5@ACBDE364.ipt.aol.com) 00.46.59 Quit upiom (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00.46.59 NSplit zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 00.46.59 Quit dsg (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00.46.59 Quit dwihno (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00.46.59 Quit Hadaka (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00.46.59 Quit hardeep (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00.46.59 Quit ze (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00.47.09 NHeal zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 00.47.09 NJoin upiom [0] (~daniel@81-170-167-196.bahnhofbredband.net) 00.47.09 NJoin hardeep [0] (1098@208.247.65.237) 00.47.09 NJoin Hadaka [0] (naked@aka.pp.htv.fi) 00.47.09 NJoin dwihno [20] (dwihno@h81172195115.kund.kommunicera.umea.se) 00.47.09 NJoin ze [20] (psyco@adsl-63-205-42-70.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) 00.47.09 NJoin dsg [0] (~david@pasky.xs4all.nl) 00.48.52 Quit dsg (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00.48.52 Quit dwihno (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00.48.52 Quit Hadaka (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00.48.52 Quit hardeep (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00.48.52 Quit ze (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00.48.52 Quit upiom (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00.49.14 NJoin upiom [0] (~daniel@81-170-167-196.bahnhofbredband.net) 00.49.14 NJoin hardeep [0] (1098@208.247.65.237) 00.49.14 NJoin Hadaka [0] (naked@aka.pp.htv.fi) 00.49.14 NJoin dwihno [20] (dwihno@h81172195115.kund.kommunicera.umea.se) 00.49.14 NJoin ze [20] (psyco@adsl-63-205-42-70.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) 00.49.14 NJoin dsg [0] (~david@pasky.xs4all.nl) 00.53.07 Quit AciD ("Hiroshima 45, Tchernobyl 86, Windows 95") 00.53.11 Quit track ("IceChat IRC client - Download it at http://www.icechat.net/") 01.13.16 # Zagor: the startup_io test code has been helpful on many occasions 01.14.03 Quit Arnaud (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.14.03 NSplit zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 01.14.55 Quit mct (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.14.55 Quit Zagor (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.14.55 Quit Hes (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.14.55 Quit robmur (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.14.55 Quit [GoE]BENtheTEN (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.15.02 NHeal zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 01.15.02 NJoin Arnaud [0] (~asl@adsl.hlfl.org) 01.15.04 # Zagor: i think the io_restore stuff in rolo can be removed, but i don't want to remove the saving of the startup_io 01.15.13 NJoin Zagor [0] (~bjst@c634821a.s-k.bostream.se) 01.15.13 NJoin robmur [0] (~robbie@haylott.plus.com) 01.15.13 NJoin [GoE]BENtheTEN [0] (~quasi@80.238.199.45) 01.15.13 NJoin Hes [0] (~hessu@hessu.zedi.sonera.fi) 01.15.15 # Zagor: the startup_io test code has been helpful on many occasions 01.15.15 # Zagor: i think the io_restore stuff in rolo can be removed, but i don't want to remove the saving of the startup_io 01.15.20 Quit scott666 (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.15.20 Quit MT (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.15.20 Quit Schnueff (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.15.20 Quit BoBB (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.15.20 Quit mecraw (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.15.23 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.15.30 NJoin scott666 [0] (scott666@c-24-245-58-245.mn.client2.attbi.com) 01.15.30 NJoin mecraw [0] (~mecraw@69.2.235.2) 01.15.30 NJoin BoBB [0] (~bob@ip68-106-225-254.ph.ph.cox.net) 01.15.30 NJoin Schnueff [0] (mah@d096.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de) 01.15.30 NJoin MT [0] (mt@no.beer.for.beating.me.uk) 01.15.43 # LinusN: why not? 01.16.07 # it is very handy when debugging the flash boot loader 01.16.28 # helped me find the RAM timing bug recently 01.16.35 # sure, but that's no reason to ship it to everybody else 01.16.52 # then we can remove the entire debug menu 01.17.07 # good idea :) 01.17.10 # no 01.23.21 # hardeep: why is shuffle state stored in the playlist control file? 01.23.45 Quit MT (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.23.45 Quit Schnueff (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.23.45 Quit mecraw (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.23.45 Quit scott666 (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.23.45 Quit BoBB (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 01.23.55 NJoin scott666 [0] (scott666@c-24-245-58-245.mn.client2.attbi.com) 01.23.55 NJoin mecraw [0] (~mecraw@69.2.235.2) 01.23.55 NJoin BoBB [0] (~bob@ip68-106-225-254.ph.ph.cox.net) 01.23.55 NJoin Schnueff [0] (mah@d096.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de) 01.23.55 NJoin MT [0] (mt@no.beer.for.beating.me.uk) 01.24.23 # Zagor: to handle changing shuffle mode after insertions 01.24.59 # hmm? when is that done? 01.26.30 # the drawback is that the disk spins up every time you change the shuffle mode 01.26.30 # if a user decides to change shuffle mode 01.26.30 # LinusN: yeah, although there are chances it would spin up anyways to handle mpeg thread reloading 01.28.18 # Zagor: it's also handy for debugging... to see exactly what order the playlist was in when an error occurred 01.28.19 Join track [0] (icechat5@ACBDE364.ipt.aol.com) 01.28.24 # heu 01.28.25 # hey 01.29.05 # hardeep: the spinup annoys me. couldn't we just aswell keep it in rtc as before? 01.30.37 # Zagor: the problem is that if we don't save it to disk, how do we know where the insertions go for resume? 01.31.30 # ah, right 01.32.33 # what we could do is not flush playlist control data to disk until a disk access or something 01.32.39 # right now I flush it immediately 01.34.07 # sounds nice 01.35.54 Quit mecraw ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)") 01.39.11 # cool 01.44.16 Join Kontakt501 [0] (VST@pool-68-237-15-149.ny325.east.verizon.net) 01.44.21 # hey all 01.44.22 # hi kintakt 01.44.24 # kontakt 01.44.29 # hey there track 01.44.34 # hello 01.44.34 # any new rockbox features out? 01.44.39 # not that i know off 01.44.48 # or tricks 01.44.53 # or something i might have missed lol 01.46.49 # why dont daily builds come with some kind of textpads that let u know what was fixed or what was added 01.46.57 # cause to me they all seem the same 01.47.40 # Kontakt501: because we developers haven't got enough time to do that 01.47.56 # and they do come with a CVS log 01.48.18 # ahh ok 01.48.24 # ill check that file out 01.48.33 # and i appreciate any work u developers do :) 01.48.41 # Kontakt501: look under "source tarballs", there is a "Changelog" link 01.48.53 # on the daily builds web page 01.49.00 # cool 01.49.19 # kontakt its only worth downloading a bleeding edge when the firmware has been radically enhanced 01.49.20 # there is no log in the daily build archive 01.49.26 # ahh ok i see it thanks 01.49.38 # ya i figured that track 01.49.42 # cool 01.49.43 # i got an idea 01.49.49 # what about a password lock 01.49.57 # would that be hard to implement 01.50.13 # plugging in the USB will always override it kontakt 01.50.32 # ya but lets say it gets stolen or something 01.50.40 # that would atleast keep them busy for a few hours lol 01.50.53 # yea but once the USB is plugged in then its overrridden 01.51.26 # ya but they would have to know that lol 01.52.23 # well anyone who is brave or stupid enough to steal an MP3 player will already know it needs a USB connection to transfer songs 01.52.56 # ya but if they see a password lock 01.53.10 # would they even go thru the trouble of getting a usb connect 01.53.34 # pretty sure they might 01.53.44 # u would cause u know 01.53.52 # the average thief wouldnt 01.54.44 # well taking out the batteries and re-inserting them would erase the clock and password thinginy 01.56.01 # not only that plugging in the charger switches on the Archos also 01.56.02 # :( 01.56.20 # Kontakt501: suppose they didn't find out how to get past the lock, what good would it do you? They will toss the player out of the car window, or just throw it away. 01.57.04 # linus is right kontakt 01.58.03 # :-p 02.00.48 # id rather them throw it away then fucking play my songs lol 02.01.09 # yes but then its your £300 investment lost 02.01.18 # its lost either way 02.01.25 # atleast this way the thief loses to 02.01.44 # What do you think LinusN? 02.02.05 # this was a feature request many times, there may even be smth on the patch tracker 02.04.14 # i think it's a waste of precious developer time 02.04.49 # ya maybe 02.05.39 # i'm off for bed. bye guys. 02.05.42 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 02.05.47 # nite nite Zaggor 02.05.56 # whats feature freeze? 02.06.02 # 2.1? 02.07.12 # it means that we will soon release 2.1 02.07.38 # kewl 02.08.53 # i liked the bug report someone filed about dropping an FM recorder in the bat 02.08.54 # bath 02.09.26 # i don't 02.09.38 # lol 02.09.41 # why not? 02.10.19 # I don't have an FM recorder so it wasnt' me that filed it LinusN 02.10.27 # because it is a waste of time for us developers to reject and delete that crap 02.10.32 # lol 02.10.42 # and the bug database grows 02.10.53 # well can't you remove them off the server? 02.11.07 # damn i wish people could just stop bugging us with bogus reports and requests 02.11.35 # never mind 02.11.38 # at least you are healthy 02.11.49 # pardon me? 02.12.03 # never mind 02.12.04 # :) 02.12.26 # lol 02.12.39 # if it wasnt' for our requests we would all be using the Archos firmware :D 02.13.26 # track: you know what i'm talking about 02.13.34 # :| 02.13.38 # not really 02.13.39 # lol 02.13.49 # are you drunk? 02.14.01 # well had 3 pints tonight 02.14.12 # are u on the right track 02.14.25 # lol 02.15.06 # its only humour 02.15.06 Quit upiom (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.15.07 # lol 02.15.16 Join upiom [0] (~daniel@81-170-167-196.bahnhofbredband.net) 02.15.44 # track: maybe it's fun for you, but you only create lots of work for us who actually work on the firmware 02.16.01 # excuse me? 02.16.16 # its not just me its everyone 02.16.34 # not everyone, but i agree that you are not the only one 02.17.36 # like who was the idiot that filed "Convert MP3 to polyphonic tones for mobiles" or "Support Atrac3"? 02.18.19 # well im off 02.18.25 # good luck on the developing guys 02.18.27 # :) 02.18.29 # :( 02.18.31 # hope it comes out well 02.18.37 # laterz 02.18.40 # cu 02.18.45 Quit Kontakt501 ("[I was using Polaris 2002] Version:[1.0] Webpage:[http://www.polaris-central.com]") 02.21.57 # hes a nice person 02.33.19 Quit track ("IceChat IRC client - Download it at http://www.icechat.net/") 02.52.24 Join thedude02 [0] (Dude@pm479-42.dialip.mich.net) 02.52.42 # hi. 02.52.59 # I need someone to talk to!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 02.53.09 # so if you're there please talk to me. 02.53.11 # feeling sad? 02.53.20 # well, more like bored 02.53.44 # no one to talk to, nothing much to do... 02.53.44 # and then you went to the rockbox channel, for some developer tech talk? 02.53.58 # ? 02.54.11 # I just come here 02.54.19 # just being sarcastic :-) 02.54.27 # ) 02.54.30 # :) 02.54.33 # -) 02.54.36 # :-) 02.55.52 # :=} 02.56.06 # someone has a big nose! 02.56.49 # I'll be going I guesss. 02.56.52 Quit thedude02 (Client Quit) 03.00.23 Quit Arnaud (Remote closed the connection) 03.04.47 Part LinusN 03.15.24 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.38.11 Join upi0m [0] (~daniel@81-170-167-196.bahnhofbredband.net) 03.38.11 Quit upiom (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.14.36 Join Dogger [0] (~jimmy@adsl-67-125-89-9.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) 04.45.31 Join friday101 [0] (friday101@pcp06796835pcs.bowie01.md.comcast.net) 04.47.09 Quit Dogger ("Client Exiting") 04.48.42 Quit hardeep ("[BX] I'm off like a prom dress...") 04.48.53 Quit friday101 (Client Quit) 04.54.03 Quit scott666 (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 04.54.25 Join scott666 [0] (scott666@c-24-245-58-245.mn.client2.attbi.com) 05.01.20 Join ltdphoenix [0] (jirc@ACA25374.ipt.aol.com) 05.02.28 DBUG Sent KICK ltdphoenix to server 05.02.28 # 11hey 05.02.28 Kick (#rockbox ltdphoenix :Colourcodes are *not* appreciated here!) by logbot!~bjst@labb.contactor.se 05.02.49 Join ltdphoenix [0] (jirc@ACA25374.ipt.aol.com) 05.04.23 Quit ltdphoenix (Client Quit) 05.15.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.22.23 Join midknight2k3 [0] (midknight2@12-229-204-15.client.attbi.com) 05.22.34 # hell0 06.11.44 Join matsl [0] (~matsl@c670451a.mael.bostream.se) 06.14.04 # hey 06.15.16 Join elinenbe [0] (trilluser@207-237-194-62.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 06.17.46 # hey 06.21.57 # hi there. 06.22.06 # midknight2k3: how is your patch going? 06.22.26 # it's released 06.22.29 # yay 06.22.36 # I think the options under F3 should be configurable to any menu or setting or plugin! 06.22.37 # had to make the icons myself 06.22.46 # oh -- I'm sorry. 06.22.53 # yes.. i believe Linus is working on context sensitive menus 06.22.58 # not your fault 06.23.05 # im making another patch 06.23.09 # "new icons" 06.23.32 # changes "repeat all / one" "shuffle" adds an icon for chip8 files 06.23.35 # new music icon 06.23.42 # new folder icon maybe 06.23.47 # also support for .c and .h files 06.24.00 # reading code on the go :) 06.25.08 # that 06.25.11 # s cool... 06.25.18 # I think maybe it should be an option... 06.25.30 # configure files with text viewer 06.25.36 # and you can type in whatever you want 06.25.55 # txt nfo c h rtf html 06.25.57 # etc.... 06.29.44 # ? 06.29.54 # i just thought to use viewer.rock to view them 06.29.58 # play the files 06.30.02 # gotta go though 06.30.06 # night] 06.30.08 Quit midknight2k3 ("Time to go now...") 06.42.42 # wooop! 2.1 on it's way! 07.08.34 Join AciD [0] (~acid@longchamp44-1-82-67-133-87.fbx.proxad.net) 07.15.30 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.23.31 Join Dogger [0] (~jimmy@adsl-67-116-6-111.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) 08.23.47 Join mecraw [0] (~mecraw@c-24-9-226-58.client.comcast.net) 08.25.01 Quit mecraw (Client Quit) 08.26.13 Join hardeep [0] (1098@208.247.65.237) 08.33.32 Quit Dogger ("Client Exiting") 08.54.28 Quit hardeep ("BitchX: to the rescue!") 09.03.08 Join Arnaud_ [0] (~asl@adsl.hlfl.org) 09.10.14 Join tof77 [0] (~chatzilla@pauguste-7-82-66-87-78.fbx.proxad.net) 09.12.59 Nick Arnaud_ is now known as Arnaud (~asl@adsl.hlfl.org) 09.15.32 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.41.00 Join LinusN [200] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 10.00.17 # \o/ 10.05.57 # hola 10.07.43 # morning 11.12.28 # \o/ 11.14.20 # dwihno: you are so outspoken and verbally skilled :-) 11.15.04 # lol :) 11.15.33 *** No seen item changed, no save performed. 11.26.39 # Thank you! :) 11.35.03 # I'm rather articulate :) 11.35.25 # Body language is the best way to express emotions. 11.35.34 # And today; I'm happy \o/ 11.36.53 # good :) 11.43.43 # LinusN: btw... those 260 bytes, do they include the zero termination? 11.44.12 # i think that's part of the "fluff" 11.45.43 # if i remember correctly, the path can be 256 characters 11.46.03 # plus the device letter and a 0 termination 11.46.21 # c:\ plus the \0 is 4 bytes 11.46.48 # this only applies to windoze of course 11.48.58 # okay 11.49.03 # indeed 11.49.20 # I already worked around it using dynamic memory allocation 11.49.31 # Whee, did it get fast! :D 11.51.05 # Munched 1464 KB (as opposed to 76464 KB). \o/ 12.01.42 Join track [0] (jirc@ACBD0BCC.ipt.aol.com) 12.01.50 # morning 12.03.25 # yo 12.05.45 # oi track 12.06.18 # question: could the recorder do full duplex encoding and decoding ? 12.11.46 # no 12.13.01 # damn 12.19.32 # gello 12.19.37 # hello even 12.20.37 # I think Archos programmers have drastically improved 12.20.43 # Seen the new Gmini devices? 12.21.15 # not in real life 12.21.31 # They have an option "Play Entire Hard Disk" so you don't need to make a huge playlist if you want to shuffle the entire HD 12.22.28 # Linus why oh why can't the Archos play the whole HD without a huge playlist? 12.24.43 # Linus at the risk of answering my own question, is it because to cache the entire directory tree requires a huge amount of RAM? 12.27.24 # Depends on how they cache it :) 12.27.26 # They can keep a disk cache 12.27.58 # dwihno what I mean to buffer the entire directory tree does it need a very large amount of RAM? 12.29.10 # track: Depends on what you think a large amount is :) 12.29.41 # ok just say you have 200 folders each containing 10 songs 12.31.21 # How much memory does the gmini have? 12.31.37 # A couple of hundred K's should be enough 12.32.00 # I think the Gmini has a 16Mb RAM because it can play WAV files 12.32.59 # iriver is nice with its ogg support though :) 12.33.18 # track: we can play the entire hard disk without a playlist, but not with a good random function 12.34.13 # but the only thing Im not sure about is buying extra downloads such as the recording mode and the FM tuner 12.34.18 # our way is efficient, consumes little memory, is resumable, and has a decent randomize 12.34.29 # ok linusn 12.34.45 # yes you have to download the FM tuner if you want FM on the Gmini 12.35.07 # so maybe there is such a thing as a "software tuner after all" :D 12.35.18 # :-) 12.35.31 # LinusN: Hooray for efficiency! :D 12.35.34 # :D 12.35.46 # so why don't we hack this gmini plugin to work on the normal Archos? 12.35.49 # :-) 12.37.00 # ok ok linusN ill shut up 12.37.01 # :_) 12.37.02 # :-) 12.51.56 Quit track ("Leaving") 12.54.28 Part LinusN 13.00.30 Quit Jet8810 ("Leaving") 13.15.37 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.13.21 Join track [0] (~icechat5@ACBADF9D.ipt.aol.com) 15.13.40 # hello 15.15.39 *** No seen item changed, no save performed. 15.18.05 Quit matsl (Remote closed the connection) 16.05.53 Nick upi0m is now known as upiom (~daniel@81-170-167-196.bahnhofbredband.net) 16.31.21 Join methangas [0] (methangas@0x50a43268.virnxx10.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) 16.31.21 Quit track (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.13.01 Quit adi|home ("Damn flying monkies") 17.15.43 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.38.58 Join mecraw [0] (~mecraw@69.2.235.2) 17.52.01 Join Plugh_ [0] (plugh@adsl-68-122-77-189.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) 17.52.25 # wow. the bot got ops 17.52.37 Part Plugh_ 17.52.53 Join Plugh [0] (plugh@adsl-68-122-77-189.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) 17.52.57 # better 17.57.04 Join hardeep [0] (1098@208.247.65.237) 18.03.58 Part Plugh 18.22.47 # hardeep: do you have privledges to add/remove members from the sourcefroge project. 18.23.07 # hardeep: I have CVS access, but I can not remove a patch after I have committed it. 18.27.48 # elinenbe: no, i don't have priviledges for that 18.41.54 Join uski [0] (~moo@62.212.119.185) 18.45.18 # I will have to ask one of the majors 19.05.30 Join _aLF [0] (~alexandre@mutualite-3-82-67-66-128.fbx.proxad.net) 19.15.45 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.23.32 Join RedBreva [0] (~RedBreva@host81-128-216-96.in-addr.btopenworld.com) 19.42.18 Quit RedBreva (" Like VS.net's GUI? Then try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 19.43.49 Join Guest [0] (~jirc@host81-128-216-96.in-addr.btopenworld.com) 19.48.27 Join groovingandi [0] (~groovinga@proxy-out.lrz-muenchen.de) 20.12.14 Join [IDC]Dragon [0] (~idc-drago@pD9512339.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.12.26 Join RedBreva [0] (~jirc@host81-128-216-96.in-addr.btopenworld.com) 20.13.20 # Hi, irc virgin alert, please be gentle... I am after some advice 20.13.51 # Anyone any suggestions for appling Patches under Windows? 20.13.52 # <[IDC]Dragon> newbee, you mean? What's up? 20.14.11 # <[IDC]Dragon> use cygwin 20.16.01 # if I type "patch < Patchname" I get no such file or directory... 20.16.26 # <[IDC]Dragon> do you use cygwin? 20.16.33 # yes. 20.16.47 # Where should the diff file be in the dir structure? 20.17.42 # <[IDC]Dragon> above error suggests you haven't typed this into a cygwin bash console 20.18.18 # I Have honest... 20.18.39 # bash: f2screen.dif: No such filre or directory 20.18.40 # <[IDC]Dragon> it should respond "bash: patch: command not found" 20.19.12 # <[IDC]Dragon> if it does not find the patch command 20.19.31 # I think its the diff it can't find 20.19.47 # It is in ~ 20.20.07 # <[IDC]Dragon> place it where you currently are, or name the path 20.20.34 # it is, dir lists it 20.21.08 # I've not had a good PC day today, and this is doing my head in....Grrrrrrrrrr 20.21.40 # <[IDC]Dragon> try "cat f2screen.dif" 20.22.18 # again, file not found.... !! :-( 20.22.27 # dir 20.22.34 # <[IDC]Dragon> then it's not in your current directory. 20.22.40 # Whoops wrong window...! 20.23.19 # but if I type dir, it is listed along with apps, gdb etc 20.23.46 # Hi, are you sure you don't have a typo? 20.24.19 Quit hardeep ("[BX] Reserve your copy of BitchX-1.0c19 for the Atari 2600 today!") 20.24.25 # Try "cat f2" and press [TAB] to autocomplete the filename 20.24.56 # Bugger.... there is a space at the end of the extension!!!! 20.26.18 # Thanks guys, [TAB} is one to remember.... :-) 20.27.46 # Second question now I can actually run it.... What is the correct location in the Cygwin directory tree to place the .dif file to enable it to patch correctly? 20.28.18 # <[IDC]Dragon> look into the patch file, to see the relative paths in there. 20.31.11 # I have it in cygwin\home\rockbox, it is after file icons.c (no path) but there are more than one of those in different dirs... 20.31.55 # I am sure it will seem obvious once I have it working, but it is very confusing at present. 20.31.58 Quit Guest (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.38.01 Join cjnr11 [0] (nmpjhb@l01m-5-203.d1.club-internet.fr) 20.40.02 # [IDC]Dragon: hi :) 20.40.27 # the "alpine-enabled" player is an interesting thing :) 20.40.33 # <[IDC]Dragon> hi uski! 20.40.33 # too bad i don't have an alpine in my car 20.40.38 # <[IDC]Dragon> ;-) 20.40.43 # <[IDC]Dragon> get one! 20.40.46 # don't forget to send me a mail when you'll receive the player ;) 20.40.54 # <[IDC]Dragon> I won't 20.40.55 Join leapingfrog [0] (~idavies@host81-129-116-157.in-addr.btopenworld.com) 20.40.59 # <[IDC]Dragon> (forget) 20.41.01 # yea but new ones don't have the mbus 20.41.02 # ;) 20.41.22 # <[IDC]Dragon> old oned are less expensive, I guess 20.41.28 # <[IDC]Dragon> ones 20.41.32 # hmm :) 20.41.37 # interesting 20.41.44 # i have to find a place where to buy one 20.41.55 # the only thing you need is the serial mod ? 20.41.56 # <[IDC]Dragon> mine is ~13 years old 20.42.03 # oh ok 20.42.11 # <[IDC]Dragon> no, you don't need any mod. 20.42.39 # you mean that the changer does not have to send data back to the radio ? 20.42.48 # more and more interesting :) 20.42.54 # <[IDC]Dragon> it does. 20.43.12 # <[IDC]Dragon> the remote pin can be used bidirectional. 20.43.17 # hmm 20.43.19 # how ? 20.43.34 # i thought it was connected to the RX pin 20.43.46 # <[IDC]Dragon> by programming the direction register 20.43.46 # you set the pin as an output and you use a software UART to transmit 20.43.50 # then you put it back to RX ? 20.43.52 # ok ;) 20.43.55 # <[IDC]Dragon> 100% 20.44.32 Quit RedBreva ("Leaving") 20.44.37 # <[IDC]Dragon> admit, in addition to the direction you have to reprogram the usage 20.44.45 # <[IDC]Dragon> GPIO ur RX 20.44.52 # <[IDC]Dragon> or 20.45.18 # <[IDC]Dragon> read the source if you like 20.46.05 Nick [IDC]Dragon is now known as [IDC]Dragon|food (~idc-drago@pD9512339.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.47.30 Part upiom ("Client exiting") 20.48.26 Quit leapingfrog () 20.48.48 # what "elf" is in sh-elf? 20.50.56 # it's a binary format 20.51.20 # Executable and Linking Format 20.51.29 # ok 20.52.14 # http://www.cs.ucdavis.edu/~haungs/paper/node10.html 20.52.56 # thanks 20.57.10 Join cipselia [0] (~Slammer@193.136.159.152) 20.57.13 # hi 20.57.17 Nick cipselia is now known as quelsaruk (~Slammer@193.136.159.152) 21.05.24 Nick [IDC]Dragon|food is now known as [IDC]Dragon (~idc-drago@pD9512339.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.05.52 # <[IDC]Dragon> quelsaruk, what's that story about goats? 21.08.00 # hehe 21.08.40 # it's a long story... maybe logbot could help us (if i can make him speak) 21.08.44 # logbot explain quelsaruk 21.09.17 # <[IDC]Dragon> looks more like a very short story from logbot... 21.09.21 # btw, thanks for that mail, was a good job! and i've seen that someone was working on that unilink protocol :) 21.09.40 # i always get some weird bugs with my jukebox 21.09.53 # unilink - that's me 21.10.08 # groovingandi, really? Great! 21.10.24 # it will take some time 21.10.27 # i wanted to buy a new radio for the car, and thought of a sony one :) 21.10.42 # don't worry... i have to wait at least some months 21.10.46 # I can't promise you anything 21.11.14 # I'm happy that at least ICQ is working now, so perhaps this speeds up everything a little bit 21.11.20 # [IDC]Dragon, let's say i always get things working using my techno-priest skills... sacrificing goats to the debuggers' gods. 21.11.29 # or using a hammert 21.11.29 # not ICQ, IRC 21.11.30 # hammer 21.12.21 # <[IDC]Dragon> I would quickly run out of goats... 21.13.12 # hehe.. i had a farm :) 21.14.28 Join hardeep [0] (1098@208.247.65.237) 21.14.31 # groovingandi, could i help in something? i don't think i'm a good help, but i'll try everything in my hand.. even lending you goats :) 21.14.59 # hehe, i'm not sure... 21.15.03 # hardeep, your .ucl file worked finally, it was a bug in the daily build version.. or maybe one of my strange bugs :) 21.15.49 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.15.51 # we need a mikrocontroller which does the interface to unilink, but i've already found something working: 21.16.50 # http://www.mictronics.de/ 21.17.10 # he has a ready working unilink - rs232 interface based on an atmel controller 21.17.10 # cheking... 21.17.41 # i'm testing the circuit at the moment, but no luck so far 21.19.03 # it shouldn't be a big problem to connect it to the jukebox remote pin once it is working 21.20.49 # i think i can ask to some people here, let's see if i have some luck :) 21.22.51 # i have to go 21.22.52 # cu later!! 21.23.00 # cu 21.23.09 # if i find out, i'll tell you (not probable) 21.23.39 Quit quelsaruk ("Odin! I pledge you my jukebox, keep it away from archos hands!!") 21.23.57 # idc-dragon: do you already have plans for a user interface for your "big" cd changer 21.24.14 # <[IDC]Dragon> yes. 21.24.53 # <[IDC]Dragon> I gave up the idea of making the whole disk available. 21.25.08 # <[IDC]Dragon> too difficult to operate 21.25.15 # do you plan to have virtual cds? 21.25.29 # <[IDC]Dragon> instead, the current focus is to have 6 playlists 21.26.10 # is it possible to display text on the alpine radios? 21.26.12 # humm 21.26.12 # <[IDC]Dragon> you'd need to assemble them offline, with some plugin or so 21.26.18 # what's the recorder v2 build? 21.26.34 # <[IDC]Dragon> groovingandi: not with mine. 21.27.06 # <[IDC]Dragon> I systematically went through all reasonable opcodes 21.27.45 # <[IDC]Dragon> Hadaka: read the mailing list, there is a thread 21.28.20 # idc-dragon: i can display 10 chars on my sony 21.28.29 # <[IDC]Dragon> nice! 21.28.51 # <[IDC]Dragon> I'd like to have that, too. 21.29.00 # I was thinking about a up/down - enter directory/leave directory navigation like on the recorder models 21.29.12 # but it's not practical i think 21.29.31 # <[IDC]Dragon> with a display, it becomes more reasonable. 21.29.36 # if you can see only one line, it's too distracting from driving 21.29.54 # but it's great for displaying the song title and artist name 21.30.22 # <[IDC]Dragon> do you have 6 CD buttons, or just prev/next? 21.31.14 # i have 10 direct CD buttons and a prev/next on the unit and a next cd/prev cd and next/prev on the remote stick 21.31.34 # <[IDC]Dragon> whoa, lots of buttons 21.31.47 # <[IDC]Dragon> that's what I call distracting 21.32.11 # not at all 21.32.57 # <[IDC]Dragon> I've 6 buttons, was thinking about using them in up/down pairs for letter, artist, album 21.33.14 # <[IDC]Dragon> or whatever the directory structure is 21.33.17 # the remote stick is next to the steering wheel and the next/prev function is done be rotating a small wheel in one or the other direction, if you press it at the same time, you'll get next cd/prev cd 21.33.25 # ah okay, found the thread 21.34.02 # but it's difficult to navigate if you don't see where you are 21.34.08 # oh, i forgot talkbox 21.35.03 # <[IDC]Dragon> yes, that would be nice 21.35.21 # <[IDC]Dragon> but who's gonna do all that talking? ;-) 21.35.39 # lol 21.36.53 # since I still want to use my jukebox outside, it'll stay somewhere in the front, so I can still use the jukebox itself for navigation 21.37.57 # <[IDC]Dragon> the you only need line-in 21.39.14 # that's what I use at the moment (perhaps that's why the development is so slow) 21.39.39 # I'm missing some basic functions like prev/next from the remote or to have the title in the display 21.40.01 # and at the moment, I need a running cd changer to be able to use the line-in 21.40.35 # <[IDC]Dragon> there is no PIC line-in emulator or such? 21.41.33 # yes there is, for PIC and Atmel 21.41.54 # that's why I thought it would not be a big problem to combine it with the jukebox 21.43.04 # <[IDC]Dragon> source code avail? 21.43.20 # yes 21.43.26 # <[IDC]Dragon> have you seen my Atmel talking RS232 and M-Bus? 21.43.46 # on your page, yes 21.44.09 # http://www.mictronics.de/?page=unilink has more or less the same for unilink 21.44.17 # <[IDC]Dragon> maybe you can join my RS232 part with their unilink 21.44.31 # <[IDC]Dragon> Ah, good. 21.45.04 # it already does rs232 (at least should do), but not for me yet 21.45.14 # <[IDC]Dragon> do you have the serial mod? 21.45.34 # no, I was thinking about it, but I need every connector of my jukebox 21.45.52 # <[IDC]Dragon> I see. 21.46.21 # <[IDC]Dragon> Friends of mine are working on VW changer emulation, 21.46.42 # <[IDC]Dragon> they want to use the remote pin as half-duplex RS232. 21.46.47 # I hope to get it working with the remote pin once, because I think more people will like to have a jukebox-unilink interface without harware od 21.46.51 # hardware mod 21.47.03 # <[IDC]Dragon> We already have a driver for that. 21.47.12 # really, cool! 21.47.21 # <[IDC]Dragon> which does RS232 sending in software. 21.47.39 Join track [0] (icechat5@ACBC45D2.ipt.aol.com) 21.47.53 # <[IDC]Dragon> but I needed M-Bus 21.47.59 # hi 21.48.03 # <[IDC]Dragon> and can go without controller 21.48.23 Quit track (Client Quit) 21.48.42 # <[IDC]Dragon> I think we will check in that driver after 2.1 release 21.48.43 # I hate it when every company wants to make its own stuff 21.49.10 # <[IDC]Dragon> the newer Ai-Net is based on RS232, I heard. 21.49.33 # there was a discussion about the bidirectional use of the remote pin in the mailing lists a few months ago 21.49.41 Join Elektrosound [0] (~icechat5@ACBC45D2.ipt.aol.com) 21.50.06 # I remember someone posted, that it's not the same on every jukebox model... 21.50.25 # some different resistors or something like that 21.50.33 # <[IDC]Dragon> FMs don't have it 21.50.51 # hello 21.50.55 # <[IDC]Dragon> was that my post? 21.50.55 # hi 21.51.12 # idc-dragon: no, I'll search... 21.51.20 # Hi grooving 21.52.35 # Does anyone here have a device with a Hitachi drive? 21.53.05 # I had one, but have a fujitsu now 21.53.30 # Did the Hitachi make clicking noises when spinning up/down? 21.54.51 # no, as far as I remember not, just the awkward sound when you remove the power while the drive is spinning 21.55.07 # well I think the Hitachi uses a very frail read/write head 21.55.36 Quit AciD ("www.cpm-fr.com") 21.56.30 # hi AciD 21.57.22 # idc-dragon: I didn't find it in the mail archives, but on the irc archive: 21.58.10 # calpefrosch has a 1kOhm pullup on his remote pin, Andreas Zwirtes has not (both normal recorders) 21.58.27 # <[IDC]Dragon> I have 1K 21.58.40 # Now I remember: they tried to get power for a remote control out of the remote pin 21.59.17 # <[IDC]Dragon> I use that for the IR receiver circuit as well. 21.59.33 # <[IDC]Dragon> barely enough 21.59.50 # but it's always shorted to ground when you use normal headphones? 22.00.01 # <[IDC]Dragon> yes, 3mA wasted. 22.00.56 # <[IDC]Dragon> The cable remote from Archos still has a battery. 22.01.16 # ok, but it doesn't affect bidirectional communication 22.01.26 # <[IDC]Dragon> no 22.05.07 # is the remote worth getting? 22.06.33 # i don't have one, but I think you won't be able to buy it seperately 22.06.54 # i think its available from the website 22.07.08 # <[IDC]Dragon> it comes with a "car kit" 22.07.32 # <[IDC]Dragon> 12V charger and cassette adapter 22.08.25 # for 50EUR ! 22.09.23 # no, I just looked at the homepage; it's available 22.09.34 # still 20 EUR 22.10.06 # lol 22.10.09 # ok 22.18.21 # If the iPods are overpriced and overhyped, why does everyone buy them? 22.23.52 # they are small and the user interface is said to be great. I've never seen one myself... 22.25.26 # well I held one 22.25.31 # they feel nice in the hand 22.28.34 # I like their design, but I think they won't survive one drop on the floor 22.28.50 # my archos does! 22.29.03 # well only the Archos has rubbery bits 22.29.26 # yes, ugly but useful 22.29.53 # not really 22.29.58 # they suit the Archos 22.30.10 # <[IDC]Dragon> Anybody using today's build? The battery and plug icon are gone on mine! 22.31.44 Quit methangas (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Chicks dig it") 22.31.52 # wait a minute, they'll appear soon 22.32.17 # <[IDC]Dragon> yes, after a while, but only if plugged. 22.32.26 # <[IDC]Dragon> is that intentional? 22.33.06 # the battery icon is not there if unplugged? 22.33.55 # <[IDC]Dragon> no, it disappears. 22.34.35 # perhaps that's the announced fix for the wrong battery indicator :-) 22.36.37 # <[IDC]Dragon> hmm, not quite 22.38.00 # <[IDC]Dragon> when charging, the battery symbol is still animated instead of showing charge level, and the plug icon is steady instead of flashing to indicate charging. 22.38.37 # i havent updated my firmware for some time 22.39.10 # <[IDC]Dragon> I wanted to put a new flash release together, but not with this 22.44.22 # cvs changes from today: don't show battery meter until a proper power reading has been done (zagor) 22.48.08 # <[IDC]Dragon> On batteries, it looks like I never get there. 22.50.41 # <[IDC]Dragon> whoa, long change log for today. I'd better wait for this to settle ;-) 22.53.00 # <[IDC]Dragon> Now my battery symbol came, that took long! 22.53.25 # btw 22.53.35 # why is it impossible to read the battery level at powerup ? 22.53.48 # how do you measure the battery level ? 22.54.14 # you calculate the time it will probably take to go to 1V/cell ? 22.55.22 # the harddisk draws much power and the batteries need some time to recover 22.56.05 # ok.. 22.56.25 # In normal use, the voltage goes down during harddisk access, but it is filtered out, but after startup, we only have the wrong values 22.56.54 # yea i understand 22.57.05 # but i never thought the batteries would be that affected 23.09.19 Join leapingfrog [0] (~idavies@host81-129-116-157.in-addr.btopenworld.com) 23.09.33 Part leapingfrog 23.15.50 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.31.24 Join friday101 [0] (friday101@pcp06796835pcs.bowie01.md.comcast.net) 23.31.41 Quit friday101 (Client Quit) 23.40.34 Join top_bloke [0] (ubsn@dsc01-chc-il-209-109-240-186.rasserver.net) 23.41.54 Join AciD [0] (~acid@longchamp44-1-82-67-133-87.fbx.proxad.net) 23.48.13 Quit tof77 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.52.46 Quit [IDC]Dragon ()