--- Log for 22.11.103 Server: zelazny.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: @logbot Version: Dancer V4.16p1 Started: 27 days and 21 hours ago 00.09.51 # time to go! 00.09.52 # cu 00.12.10 Join tracktheripper [0] (icechat5@ACB93DC6.ipt.aol.com) 00.12.15 # Hello 00.12.32 # hi 00.12.36 # hello Xam 00.12.38 # hi LinusN 00.13.01 # LinusN do you have a girlfriend? 00.14.04 # its quiet in here 00.14.21 # hi tracktheripper 00.14.23 # whats that recorder v2? 00.14.53 # hi dogger 00.15.04 # Xam the Recorder 2 is the FM recorder with the FM removed 00.15.48 # ? that doesn't make sense from an engineers point of view ;) 00.16.07 # dunno 00.16.11 # they discontinued the FM recorder 00.16.20 Part quelsaruk 00.16.45 Quit edx () 00.16.57 # are these devices existent at all? I never heared of them (also didn't find them on the archos website) 00.16.57 # the FM circuit was more of an afterthought than anything else 00.17.08 # the FM recorder existed but not anymore 00.17.56 # Its strange because they still sell the Ondio which has an FM receiver built in and they make a version of the Ondio minus the FM receiver 00.18.48 # tracktheripper: i don't have a girlfriend 00.18.59 # ok 00.19.06 # i have a wife 00.19.18 # cool. Is she into Archos Jukeboxes and Rockbox? 00.19.22 # zagor has a girlfriend 00.19.27 # bagder has a wife 00.19.29 # so why would anyone buy the recorderv2 them? li-ion batteries are crap 00.19.55 # well Xam li-ion batteries allow for more aesthetic designs since they are slimmer 00.20.05 # neither of our partners are into archos/rockbox 00.20.08 Join Norrin [0] (~JSmith123@ip68-13-107-239.om.om.cox.net) 00.20.09 # oh ok 00.20.12 # just wondered 00.20.16 # now i'm going to bed, nite all 00.20.17 # im still single so I can't comment 00.20.20 # nite nite LinusN 00.20.22 Part LinusN 00.20.30 Quit ozric01 ("bye") 00.20.43 # Good evening all. Quick question, what does the car adapter mode do? 00.21.00 # i believe it enables the Archos to be switched off and on along with the car's ignition 00.21.16 # tracktheripper: true ... anyway, is it safe using the latest build or are any bugs known? 00.21.21 # dunno 00.21.28 # havent' tried the latest build 00.22.00 # Interesting, I'll have to check that out. 00.22.08 # ok 00.22.15 # let us know how you get on 00.22.45 # :) 00.22.50 # Cheers, just wanted to know if anyone had messed with it or not. 00.22.58 # well i havent' myself 00.23.01 Part Norrin 00.23.32 # Xam li-ion batteries arent' supposed to wear out like Ni-MH batteris 00.24.35 # tracktheripper: due to the chemistry of li-ion they degrade after 2-3 years 00.25.01 # well Archos claim "the battery will last for the lifetime of the product" 00.25.12 # tracktheripper: it doesn't matter how much you use them, after 3 years you have to replace them ... look at cellphones for examples 00.25.39 # tracktheripper: nope, they will replace it if it is broken afaik 00.26.18 # Cellphones use niMH battereis 00.26.32 # anybody will tell you that li-ion are not a good solution for devices that you want to use longer than 3 years 00.26.55 # tracktheripper: nope, not my last 2 cellphones 00.27.04 # even 3 cellphones 00.27.23 # well i think liion has improved 00.27.32 # more and more MP3 devices have them as non-removeable 00.27.33 # e.g. the last cellphone with NiMH was about 6 years ago 00.27.37 # I have 00.28.03 # tracktheripper: unfortunately there is no standard, so you could replace them 00.28.27 # ok 00.28.28 # all batteries should be replacable tho 00.28.34 # building them in sucks 00.28.43 # liion use chemicals that constantly degrades over time 00.29.00 # it is impossible to have liion batteries that will last forever 00.29.05 # tracktheripper: then it would be okay, but since Li-Ion are usually custom made stuff, I prefer NiMH for most stuff 00.29.15 # <_aLF> is it possible to get new battery from archos or someone else ? 00.29.21 # Why don't they make li-ion AA batteries :) 00.29.40 # tracktheripper: to prevent people from puttin 4 3.6V batteries instead of 4 1.2V batteries ? :) 00.30.02 # no, longer playback time 00.30.02 # :) 00.30.06 # _aLF: yes, I've been told there are several companies where you can get them from (custom made). AFAIK archos also replaces then for free 00.30.13 # ok 00.30.31 # I think ni-mh is the best material 00.30.31 # :) 00.30.40 # but I'm not sure about that archos offer 00.30.41 # yea, it is good 00.30.47 # gtg 00.31.12 # maybe one day they will make wind-up MP3 players like with the wind-up radios 00.31.18 # NiMH and a good charger ... you don't need more 00.31.39 # :D 00.32.18 # my radio is either wind-up powered, solar powered, or mains powered 00.32.19 # :) 00.33.38 # I have a nice LED torch (nightstar2) which is totally waterproof (140m) and is recharged by shaking ;) 00.33.44 # lol 00.34.49 # it even swims ... it's the ultimate survival torch ... indestructible and no batteries/bulps needed 00.34.59 # lol 00.35.21 # I want a wind-up MP3 player charger 00.36.01 Join midknight2k3 [0] (lala@ACC28999.ipt.aol.com) 00.36.07 # hey midknight2k3 00.36.12 # hey 00.36.13 # what about a mp3 player with a shake-charing system? 00.36.18 # shake-caring? 00.36.28 # shake-charing? 00.36.30 # shake-charging 00.37.08 # what do you mean 00.37.52 # elaborate. 00.37.57 # I mean if you are dancing to the music, you can use the energy when you shake your body to recharge the mp3 player aswell ;) 00.38.03 # uhm\ 00.38.09 # * midknight2k3 says " 00.38.12 # er 00.38.38 # * midknight2k3 says "great one" unconvincingly reassuringly 00.38.40 # I have a led torch that uses a shake charging system 00.38.57 # i get it 00.39.06 # make your force spin the hard drive like a generator 00.39.09 # it works quite well ... 20 secs shaking = 5 mins light 00.39.16 # hey if anyone's interested in encryption in general, hop along to www.axod.net/enx 00.39.17 # oh really 00.39.28 # Dogger: did you mention legal bills? 00.39.41 # yeah :( 00.39.51 # tell me about it 00.39.52 # lawyers charge lots to send letters 00.40.10 # * midknight2k3 feels sad for Dogger 00.40.49 # oh well, life goes on 00.41.26 # * midknight2k3 looks around for who said it ended 00.41.31 # speak up! 00.42.10 # did I tell you I got my wife an iPod 00.42.14 # excellent thing 00.42.19 # brilliant firmware 00.42.22 # * midknight2k3 despises iPod's 00.42.24 # i hate you 00.42.26 # what a jerk :D 00.42.29 # you tried one? 00.42.36 # i sure did 00.42.40 # oh there was this guy 00.42.43 # played solitaire on it? 00.42.43 # on the bus 00.42.44 # so funny 00.42.47 # installed linux on it? 00.42.51 # he had a 3g ipod 00.43.01 # dogger: try a rec20 with rockbox. that's cookin 00.43.04 # anyways this guy 00.43.09 # hrm, ok, 00.43.14 # he had a sensors ipod 36 00.43.17 # 3g* 00.43.22 # what happened to the flash version of rockbox? I can't find it on the homepage anymore! 00.43.25 # he couldnt get the right song 00.43.42 # yeah, 00.43.50 # he tapped the wheel down and it didnt go 00.43.54 # he tapped the wheel down again harder and it didnt go 00.44.03 # lol 00.44.03 # then he sort of moved it and it went down 2 or 3 00.44.07 # it was so funny 00.44.11 # he kept pressing buttons 00.44.17 # is that the old one where the wheel actually moves? 00.44.18 # couldnt get the sensors to work 00.44.21 # new one 00.44.23 # all sensors 00.44.25 # hrm ok, 00.44.30 # ours works cool, 00.44.33 # http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/flash.html 00.44.41 # dogger: i still say a rec20 with rockbox is better 00.44.52 # only thing I dont like with it, is you cant just copy mp3s on it (with standard firmware) 00.45.00 # you have to use the software to 'import' them 00.45.11 # that sucks... 00.45.18 # midknight2k3: yeah, but the flash versions of latest rockbox versions? 00.45.20 # hey 00.45.21 # apple is dumb 00.45.27 # what? 00.45.39 # as in flash new versions? 00.46.33 # apple is cool! 00.46.36 # better than wintel 00.46.37 # hello Midknight 00.46.37 # :) 00.46.41 # hello tracktheripper 00.46.42 # yes ... I thought there were some special rockbox files available, and .ajz forom harddisk booting fr 00.46.45 # :D 00.46.48 # xam 00.46.53 # you flash with a UCL 00.47.06 # rec or fm rec 00.47.38 # midknight2k3: I already flashed a 'old' UCL version ... where can I find bleeding edge ones for my rec20? 00.47.53 # http://rockbox.haxx.se/daily/recorder/rockbox-recorder-20031121.zip 00.48.02 # midknight2k3: am I blind? I only find .ajz on in the zip files 00.48.11 # take the UCL, paste into root and run rockbox_flash 00.48.14 # take a look again 00.48.23 # br' 00.48.25 # brb 00.49.49 # argll, I was blind ... it is there ... 00.50.14 # lol 00.50.28 # I downloaded the right zip from the beginning but didn't see the ucl ... I expected it to be in the root dir, not in .rockbox 00.55.21 # I just emailed Archos 01.02.23 Join Romain [0] (Romain@APoitiers-103-1-6-24.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) 01.02.31 # hello rmain 01.02.33 # romain 01.02.38 # hi guys 01.02.42 # hekki 01.02.43 # er 01.02.44 # hello 01.02.54 # have still a mild concussion ... got my head between car and cardoor last night ... well, I was about to get out of the car, and guy smashed door. now nice wound near my temple which will leave a scar 01.03.20 Join AciD [0] (~acid@longchamp44-1-82-67-133-87.fbx.proxad.net) 01.03.27 # tracktheripper: what did you write? did you ask whether they will replace the batteries? 01.03.27 # wouch 01.03.33 # hello acid 01.03.57 # no I asked if they will ever support AAC or WMA via a firmware upgrade 01.04.00 # sorry to interrupt guys, just wanted to tell dogger how interesting i found his enx web-tool ;) 01.05.38 # tracktheripper: or whether they will reveal the docs how to programme the dsp ... that's the more interesting question, since we could implement it ourselves (would be hard work though) 01.06.39 # tracktheripper: I would be more interested in FLAC and OGG support 01.06.47 # vorbis that is 01.07.10 # vobis is very hard to decode or so I heard 01.07.23 # i'll let you two quabble 01.07.32 # we wernt' quabbling mid 01.07.32 # :) 01.07.33 # mid lol 01.07.50 # :o 01.07.54 # lol 01.08.01 # leave mid alone he's a wicked person 01.08.03 # tracktheripper: well, the CPU in the archos is too slow, but the dsp should do the job ... 01.08.03 # 8-| 01.08.11 # xam: uhm 01.08.32 # if we did have the docs it'd be the choice between ogg or mp3 most likely 01.08.35 # lots of work 01.08.39 # not even possible 01.08.40 # yea 01.08.40 # really 01.08.41 # lol 01.08.45 # mid yes, I know, we don't have the specs for the dsp 01.08.46 # what about ATRAC3 support? 01.09.00 # xam: specs don't really matter 01.09.04 # we can get specs 01.09.09 # we just cant program it. 01.09.12 # mid sure they matter ... 01.09.38 # uhm 01.09.46 # we have them 01.09.49 # thats not the issue 01.09.51 # really? 01.09.58 # really. 01.10.12 # do u have them in PDF format 01.10.17 # mid here at our university there is a project that uses condensed graphs to describe algorithms ... they can be automatically compiled into code for several kinds of dsp 01.10.19 # they are online somewhere 01.10.25 # ok 01.10.33 # go ahead and try if you like 01.10.43 # if u can give me a link mid 01.11.42 # I'm sure you can programme/transcode a ogg algo into condensed graph in a reasonable amount of time (and implement the compiler backend for that specific dsp aswell) 01.11.57 Quit Cheek () 01.12.41 # theoretically xam 01.12.46 # sounds feasible though 01.14.07 # just for the fact that it is still an ongoing project ... but condensed graphs can descibe processes in dsps and mpp/cluster systems very well 01.14.13 # Is the coding radically different in the programs that make WMA, MP3, AAC etc? 01.16.21 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.16.27 # lol 01.16.34 # tracktheripper: yes, its quite different. the stuff works, but currently there exists no transcoder from C/Java to condensed graphs (but it's in the works) ... once condensed graphs it is optimized for concurrent stuff like clusters of special dsp 01.16.42 # oh ok 01.16.46 # just wondered 01.17.07 # its just how can a 64kbs AAC sound much better than a 64kbs MP3 if the same amount of data is removed 01.17.54 # different data removed 01.17.56 # that has nothing to do with dsps, condensed graphs or the like, that's just the used algorithm ... 01.18.00 # oh ok 01.18.21 # its like a pie, it the same amount is removed (eaten) it shouldn't affect the taste of the pie 01.18.23 # you remove the same amount of data, but the more efficient removes more redundand data 01.18.28 # oh ok 01.20.39 # well, just take a photo picture for example ... if you cut the edges of the pic, you remove just relatively useless stuff, you can still identify the persons on the picture ... if you remove the faces, you can't anymore ... it's just about what you take away 01.20.59 # uh 01.20.59 # yea i suppose 01.21.03 # good comparison 01.21.43 # well its only like with my pie, if various bits are eaten it shouldn't change the taste of the pie, just make it smaller 01.22.32 # that is a bad comparison 01.22.40 # lol 01.22.46 # well its just my theory mid 01.23.05 # oh yea mid Ive just realised what I said 01.23.24 # taste of pie 01.23.25 # heres a good comparison 01.23.28 # well, if you have a apple pie, and just eat the apple bits, it would affect the taste ... 01.23.29 # why WOULD it change the taste 01.23.36 # oh great 01.23.37 # lol 01.24.01 # anyway a picture of a plain blue rectangle is much easier to compress than a landscape picture which would contain many different colours and shades 01.24.29 # track: duh 01.24.56 # well its true Mid 01.24.57 # :) 01.25.02 # i know 01.25.05 # thats like saying 01.25.11 # there is such thing as gravity 01.25.14 # im not lying 01.25.20 # and the sky is blue can you believe it? 01.25.24 # im not lying i swear 01.25.27 # unless its cloudy or nighttime 01.25.28 # :) 01.27.19 # there is no gravity ... there is just a flection in the space-time continuum 01.27.26 # lol 01.27.35 # it's true ;) 01.27.40 # yea i know 01.27.52 # :) 01.27.52 # OH GREAT 01.27.55 # JUST SHUTUP 01.27.57 # ALL OF YOU 01.28.05 # its like saying track's dumb 01.28.08 # hehe 01.28.10 # theres no arguing with that :) 01.28.18 # i agree with you mid 01.28.20 # I am dumb 01.28.24 # no doubt about it 01.28.35 # I know that I don't know 01.28.35 # Dogger, can u tell me more about which tool u would advise to use to decrypt an encrypted file, 01.28.38 # once we have the key ? 01.30.15 # ahem 01.30.21 # Dogger, can u tell me 01.30.23 Join Exion [0] (~jon@athena.suphammer.net) 01.30.26 # i dont see much about xam there 01.30.30 # :0 01.30.50 # mid whats ur latest patch implementation? 01.30.53 # yeah, I'm a little bit busy 01.32.34 # track 01.32.37 # its a chip8 icon 01.32.49 # oh right like the folder and MP3 icons? 01.32.50 # mid , could u be more clear ? 01.33.08 # Romain 01.33.10 # track 01.33.16 # its an icon for .ch8 files 01.33.21 # for the chip8 emultaor 01.33.28 # yes like the folder and mp3 files 01.33.40 # what design do you have in mind? 01.33.47 # i made one 01.33.49 # i uploaded it 01.33.51 # its there 01.33.59 # cool 01.34.00 # im making a new patch 01.34.03 # new icons all over 01.34.03 # ill check it out 01.34.18 # Mid how about "animations" in the browser or WPS? 01.34.26 # like on some mobile phones? 01.34.28 # new icon for repeat, repeat one, shuffle, mp3 file.. 01.34.33 # cant really 01.34.38 # i hope to try soon 01.34.50 # cool 01.39.34 Quit tracktheripper ("IceChat IRC client - Download it at http://www.icechat.net/") 01.40.51 Quit mecraw ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)") 01.58.15 Quit Dogger ("Client Exiting") 02.02.52 Quit _aLF ("bye") 02.06.43 Quit xam ("ChatZilla 0.9.35 [Mozilla rv:1.6a/20030923]") 02.07.14 Part Romain 02.44.13 Quit methangas (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Chicks dig it") 02.53.38 Join holotone [0] (jirc@24-119-49-123.cpe.cableone.net) 02.54.42 # does anyone know what interface (i.e. ATA-2/3/4/5/6) a laptop HDD would have to be to work in an archos 6000 recorder? 02.54.59 # basically any will work 02.55.08 # doesn't matter any? 02.55.13 # nope 02.55.19 # make sure theres a return police just in case :) 02.55.24 # policy 02.55.36 # never heard of an upgrade not working 02.55.44 # cuz I had a Toshiba MK4018GAS in it before (40GB) and toasted it 02.56.08 # but the only type of low profile HDD is Ultra ATA (ATA-6) 02.56.13 # anymore, anyhow 02.56.23 # you need a laptop hdd 02.56.33 # thats about it for requirements 02.57.06 # sweetness 02.57.12 # yup 02.57.23 # alrighty, thanks mang 02.57.30 # You happen to know what the limit is on size? 02.57.54 # I know it's at best the FAT32 limit (whatever that is) but will the hardware just stop recognizing above a certain capacity? 02.58.38 # well 02.58.41 # 80gb ones work 02.58.43 # so.. 02.58.44 # lol 02.58.48 # jesus 02.58.50 # that's awesome 02.58.51 # i think thats the highest they make them 02.58.53 # yeah 02.58.56 # ok, thanks again for the help 02.59.19 # np 03.00.34 Quit holotone ("Leaving") 03.16.25 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.16.29 Quit hardeep ("BitchX: faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive") 04.37.42 Quit Arnaud (Remote closed the connection) 04.43.59 # hi 04.44.09 # hey 04.44.14 # new patch 04.44.19 # keyboard makeover :D 04.46.52 Join oulevon [0] (~oulevon@h0006258d1334.ne.client2.attbi.com) 04.48.47 Part oulevon ("Leaving") 04.56.25 Join Dogger [0] (~jimmy@adsl-67-116-7-227.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) 05.01.31 # hey dogger 05.01.51 # * midknight2k3 has no life 05.05.47 # hey midknight2k3 05.05.57 # just looking at competition 05.06.00 # lyra looks ok, 05.06.03 # boo 05.06.10 # KARMA 05.06.12 # all the way 05.06.27 # mec station already has linux on it! 05.06.30 # karma? 05.06.34 # RIO KARMA 05.06.36 # WOOOOOOO 05.06.37 # TASTY 05.06.39 # super small 05.06.42 # super powered 05.06.57 # stay here 05.07.01 # i get link 05.07.15 # ok, 05.07.25 # WAIT 05.07.26 # halt 05.08.00 # stay here 05.08.26 # http://www.digitalnetworksna.com/shop/_templates/item_main_Rio.asp?model=220&cat=56 05.08.40 # reading... 05.08.42 # not too pricy, 05.08.46 # read. 05.08.50 # READ 05.08.55 # ogg flac wma mp3 support 05.08.56 # ethernet??? 05.09.00 # parametric eq 05.09.01 # wow 05.09.03 # ethernet dock 05.09.06 # can you buy it now? 05.09.08 # this is ipod x 20 05.09.15 # yup 05.09.15 # but a best buy around :) 05.09.17 # got* 05.09.57 # no video tho right? 05.10.01 # nah 05.10.08 # neat startup screen 05.10.09 # brilliant music player tho 05.10.16 # SUPER player 05.10.21 # i mean the .. ooh 05.10.29 # if you want a player, head thataway 05.10.34 # scroll wheen 05.10.40 # wheel* 05.10.52 # that parametric eq is like a 5 band eq on steroids lol 05.11.29 # lyra has cf slot 05.11.34 # boo 05.11.36 # suck 05.11.36 # hiss 05.11.37 # but I want a video player 05.11.41 # karma woo 05.11.42 # karma woo 05.11.44 # need to watch movies 05.11.47 # OH WAIT 05.11.48 # on my plane trips 05.11.54 # well jeez 05.11.56 # I fly about 20 hours a month 05.12.00 # theres only one brand that does that 05.12.02 #